He....can't be That good? Can he?
Damnit SKO, beat me by 7 mins to starting this thread, lol. Kid's looking really good so far.
Quote from: SKO on August 12, 2014, 11:03:47 PM
He....can't be That good? Can he?
Meh. There was a time Cubs fans thought Randy Wells (RIP) was good.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 13, 2014, 01:27:01 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 12, 2014, 11:03:47 PM
He....can't be That good? Can he?
Meh. There was a time Cubs fans thought Randy Wells (RIP) was good.
Randy Wells
was good. Until he wasn't.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 13, 2014, 01:27:01 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 12, 2014, 11:03:47 PM
He....can't be That good? Can he?
Meh. There was a time Cubs fans thought Randy Wells (RIP) was good.
Also, Rich Hill.
Also, Angel Guzman.Also, Sean Gallagher.Also, Carmen Pignatiello.Also, Jae Kuk Ryu.Also, Sergio Meat Tray.Also, Frank Beltran.Also, Todd Wellemeyer.Also, Jon LeICEster.Etc., etc., etc...
Quote from: Tonker on August 13, 2014, 03:47:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 13, 2014, 01:27:01 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 12, 2014, 11:03:47 PM
He....can't be That good? Can he?
Meh. There was a time Cubs fans thought Randy Wells (RIP) was good.
Also, Rich Hill.
Also, Angel Guzman.
Also, Sean Gallagher.
Also, Carmen Pignatiello.
Also, Jae Kuk Ryu.
Also, Sergio Meat Tray.
Also, Frank Beltran.
Also, Todd Wellemeyer.
Also, Jon LeICEster.
Etc., etc., etc...
Rich Hill always sucked.
If this kid can give us Randy Well's first two years as a #4 or #5 on a good team (with Arrieta and Lester #1 and 2, natch), I'd take that in a goddamn minute.
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2014, 08:36:30 AM
If this kid can give us Randy Well's first two years as a #4 or #5 on a good team (with Arrieta and Lester #1 and 2, natch), I'd take that in a goddamn minute.
More like Randy Welp, AMIRITE?
Anyway, Hendricks' FIP (Look at me I read Grantland) is 3.30 and it's been low throughout his minor league career. I say he can pitch at this level. Until he can't.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2014, 08:36:30 AM
If this kid can give us Randy Well's first two years as a #4 or #5 on a good team (with Arrieta and Lester #1 and 2, natch), I'd take that in a goddamn minute.
More like Randy Welp, AMIRITE?
Anyway, Hendricks' FIP (Look at me I read Grantland) is 3.30 and it's been low throughout his minor league career. I say he can pitch at this level. Until he can't.
Right. Even if he ERA rises over time to meet that FIP I'll take a mid-3 ERA any fifth day. Gimme more Kyle. Gimme more.
Quote from: Slaky on August 13, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2014, 08:36:30 AM
If this kid can give us Randy Well's first two years as a #4 or #5 on a good team (with Arrieta and Lester #1 and 2, natch), I'd take that in a goddamn minute.
More like Randy Welp, AMIRITE?
Anyway, Hendricks' FIP (Look at me I read Grantland) is 3.30 and it's been low throughout his minor league career. I say he can pitch at this level. Until he can't.
Right. Even if he ERA rises over time to meet that FIP I'll take a mid-3 ERA any fifth day. Gimme more Kyle. Gimme more.
There's been no indication at any point in his career to indicate that he can't continue getting motherfuckers out. Even as he makes his second round through the NL, he's shown himself to be a smart enough pitcher to be able to adjust to hitters as they adjust to him.
He'll just be a Quality Start Machine for years.
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 13, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2014, 08:36:30 AM
If this kid can give us Randy Well's first two years as a #4 or #5 on a good team (with Arrieta and Lester #1 and 2, natch), I'd take that in a goddamn minute.
More like Randy Welp, AMIRITE?
Anyway, Hendricks' FIP (Look at me I read Grantland) is 3.30 and it's been low throughout his minor league career. I say he can pitch at this level. Until he can't.
Right. Even if he ERA rises over time to meet that FIP I'll take a mid-3 ERA any fifth day. Gimme more Kyle. Gimme more.
There's been no indication at any point in his career to indicate that he can't continue getting motherfuckers out. Even as he makes his second round through the NL, he's shown himself to be a smart enough pitcher to be able to adjust to hitters as they adjust to him.
He'll just be a Quality Start Machine for years.
Really? After six starts? In that case, I think it's time we declare this whole Arismendy Alcantara Experiment a bust. .231/.299/.380, are you kidding me? Release his ass. Nice goin', Epstink.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 13, 2014, 11:29:55 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 13, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2014, 08:36:30 AM
If this kid can give us Randy Well's first two years as a #4 or #5 on a good team (with Arrieta and Lester #1 and 2, natch), I'd take that in a goddamn minute.
More like Randy Welp, AMIRITE?
Anyway, Hendricks' FIP (Look at me I read Grantland) is 3.30 and it's been low throughout his minor league career. I say he can pitch at this level. Until he can't.
Right. Even if he ERA rises over time to meet that FIP I'll take a mid-3 ERA any fifth day. Gimme more Kyle. Gimme more.
There's been no indication at any point in his career to indicate that he can't continue getting motherfuckers out. Even as he makes his second round through the NL, he's shown himself to be a smart enough pitcher to be able to adjust to hitters as they adjust to him.
He'll just be a Quality Start Machine for years.
Really? After six starts? In that case, I think it's time we declare this whole Arismendy Alcantara Experiment a bust. .231/.299/.380, are you kidding me? Release his ass. Nice goin', Epstink.
Alcantara has been able to hit at each level, even if he might not get off to a rip-roaring start - same thing with Baez. There's no reason to believe either of these guys shouldn't both figure out big-league pitching.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 13, 2014, 11:29:55 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 13, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2014, 08:36:30 AM
If this kid can give us Randy Well's first two years as a #4 or #5 on a good team (with Arrieta and Lester #1 and 2, natch), I'd take that in a goddamn minute.
More like Randy Welp, AMIRITE?
Anyway, Hendricks' FIP (Look at me I read Grantland) is 3.30 and it's been low throughout his minor league career. I say he can pitch at this level. Until he can't.
Right. Even if he ERA rises over time to meet that FIP I'll take a mid-3 ERA any fifth day. Gimme more Kyle. Gimme more.
There's been no indication at any point in his career to indicate that he can't continue getting motherfuckers out. Even as he makes his second round through the NL, he's shown himself to be a smart enough pitcher to be able to adjust to hitters as they adjust to him.
He'll just be a Quality Start Machine for years.
Really? After six starts? In that case, I think it's time we declare this whole Arismendy Alcantara Experiment a bust. .231/.299/.380, are you kidding me? Release his ass. Nice goin', Epstink.
Fork and Gally have packaged them up with Zagunis already. They won't be on the cubs much longer.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 13, 2014, 11:29:55 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 13, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2014, 08:36:30 AM
If this kid can give us Randy Well's first two years as a #4 or #5 on a good team (with Arrieta and Lester #1 and 2, natch), I'd take that in a goddamn minute.
More like Randy Welp, AMIRITE?
Anyway, Hendricks' FIP (Look at me I read Grantland) is 3.30 and it's been low throughout his minor league career. I say he can pitch at this level. Until he can't.
Right. Even if he ERA rises over time to meet that FIP I'll take a mid-3 ERA any fifth day. Gimme more Kyle. Gimme more.
There's been no indication at any point in his career to indicate that he can't continue getting motherfuckers out. Even as he makes his second round through the NL, he's shown himself to be a smart enough pitcher to be able to adjust to hitters as they adjust to him.
He'll just be a Quality Start Machine for years.
Really? After six starts? In that case, I think it's time we declare this whole Arismendy Alcantara Experiment a bust. .231/.299/.380, are you kidding me? Release his ass. Nice goin', Epstink.
I was going to make a meatball comment having something to do with Hendricks being a Cub, but why bother? Ah, for the good old days when Emil Verban was our hero.
Quote from: CBStew on August 13, 2014, 12:02:27 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 13, 2014, 11:29:55 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 13, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2014, 08:36:30 AM
If this kid can give us Randy Well's first two years as a #4 or #5 on a good team (with Arrieta and Lester #1 and 2, natch), I'd take that in a goddamn minute.
More like Randy Welp, AMIRITE?
Anyway, Hendricks' FIP (Look at me I read Grantland) is 3.30 and it's been low throughout his minor league career. I say he can pitch at this level. Until he can't.
Right. Even if he ERA rises over time to meet that FIP I'll take a mid-3 ERA any fifth day. Gimme more Kyle. Gimme more.
There's been no indication at any point in his career to indicate that he can't continue getting motherfuckers out. Even as he makes his second round through the NL, he's shown himself to be a smart enough pitcher to be able to adjust to hitters as they adjust to him.
He'll just be a Quality Start Machine for years.
Really? After six starts? In that case, I think it's time we declare this whole Arismendy Alcantara Experiment a bust. .231/.299/.380, are you kidding me? Release his ass. Nice goin', Epstink.
I was going to make a meatball comment having something to do with Hendricks being a Cub, but why bother? Ah, for the good old days when Emil Verban was our hero.
There was a Society and everything.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 13, 2014, 11:29:55 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 13, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2014, 08:36:30 AM
If this kid can give us Randy Well's first two years as a #4 or #5 on a good team (with Arrieta and Lester #1 and 2, natch), I'd take that in a goddamn minute.
More like Randy Welp, AMIRITE?
Anyway, Hendricks' FIP (Look at me I read Grantland) is 3.30 and it's been low throughout his minor league career. I say he can pitch at this level. Until he can't.
Right. Even if he ERA rises over time to meet that FIP I'll take a mid-3 ERA any fifth day. Gimme more Kyle. Gimme more.
There's been no indication at any point in his career to indicate that he can't continue getting motherfuckers out. Even as he makes his second round through the NL, he's shown himself to be a smart enough pitcher to be able to adjust to hitters as they adjust to him.
He'll just be a Quality Start Machine for years.
Really? After six starts? In that case, I think it's time we declare this whole Arismendy Alcantara Experiment a bust. .231/.299/.380, are you kidding me? Release his ass. Nice goin', Epstink.
Yeesh. Now you've got me agreeing with Sterling Archer. Nice going, Fork.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 13, 2014, 11:29:55 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 13, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2014, 08:36:30 AM
If this kid can give us Randy Well's first two years as a #4 or #5 on a good team (with Arrieta and Lester #1 and 2, natch), I'd take that in a goddamn minute.
More like Randy Welp, AMIRITE?
Anyway, Hendricks' FIP (Look at me I read Grantland) is 3.30 and it's been low throughout his minor league career. I say he can pitch at this level. Until he can't.
Right. Even if he ERA rises over time to meet that FIP I'll take a mid-3 ERA any fifth day. Gimme more Kyle. Gimme more.
There's been no indication at any point in his career to indicate that he can't continue getting motherfuckers out. Even as he makes his second round through the NL, he's shown himself to be a smart enough pitcher to be able to adjust to hitters as they adjust to him.
He'll just be a Quality Start Machine for years.
Really? After six starts? In that case, I think it's time we declare this whole Arismendy Alcantara Experiment a bust. .231/.299/.380, are you kidding me? Release his ass. Nice goin', Epstink.
He's a Hendry pick. #ExpectFailure
This entire thread is shit for brains.
Quote from: Bort on August 13, 2014, 02:30:16 PM
This entire thread is shit for brains.
We have our standards to maintain.
Quote from: Tonker on August 13, 2014, 01:40:36 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 13, 2014, 11:29:55 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 13, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2014, 08:36:30 AM
If this kid can give us Randy Well's first two years as a #4 or #5 on a good team (with Arrieta and Lester #1 and 2, natch), I'd take that in a goddamn minute.
More like Randy Welp, AMIRITE?
Anyway, Hendricks' FIP (Look at me I read Grantland) is 3.30 and it's been low throughout his minor league career. I say he can pitch at this level. Until he can't.
Right. Even if he ERA rises over time to meet that FIP I'll take a mid-3 ERA any fifth day. Gimme more Kyle. Gimme more.
There's been no indication at any point in his career to indicate that he can't continue getting motherfuckers out. Even as he makes his second round through the NL, he's shown himself to be a smart enough pitcher to be able to adjust to hitters as they adjust to him.
He'll just be a Quality Start Machine for years.
Really? After six starts? In that case, I think it's time we declare this whole Arismendy Alcantara Experiment a bust. .231/.299/.380, are you kidding me? Release his ass. Nice goin', Epstink.
Yeesh. Now you've got me agreeing with Sterling Archer. Nice going, Fork.
Context is everything. Based upon Hendricks' career, his GO/AO numbers, K/BB ratio, etc. He's a really fucking good pitcher who gets guys out like crazy without being too flashy about it. Best of all, his repertoire and delivery probably means he'll enjoy pretty robust health throughout his career.
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2014, 04:07:18 PM
Quote from: Tonker on August 13, 2014, 01:40:36 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 13, 2014, 11:29:55 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 13, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2014, 08:36:30 AM
If this kid can give us Randy Well's first two years as a #4 or #5 on a good team (with Arrieta and Lester #1 and 2, natch), I'd take that in a goddamn minute.
More like Randy Welp, AMIRITE?
Anyway, Hendricks' FIP (Look at me I read Grantland) is 3.30 and it's been low throughout his minor league career. I say he can pitch at this level. Until he can't.
Right. Even if he ERA rises over time to meet that FIP I'll take a mid-3 ERA any fifth day. Gimme more Kyle. Gimme more.
There's been no indication at any point in his career to indicate that he can't continue getting motherfuckers out. Even as he makes his second round through the NL, he's shown himself to be a smart enough pitcher to be able to adjust to hitters as they adjust to him.
He'll just be a Quality Start Machine for years.
Really? After six starts? In that case, I think it's time we declare this whole Arismendy Alcantara Experiment a bust. .231/.299/.380, are you kidding me? Release his ass. Nice goin', Epstink.
Yeesh. Now you've got me agreeing with Sterling Archer. Nice going, Fork.
Context is everything. Based upon Hendricks' career, his GO/AO numbers, K/BB ratio, etc. He's a really fucking good pitcher who gets guys out like crazy without being too flashy about it. Best of all, his repertoire and delivery probably means he'll enjoy pretty robust health throughout his career.
Context is everything. He's in the big leagues now, and getting minor league hitters out is what got him a chance at that, nothing more. It doesn't mean he will be a Quality Start Machine for years.
By definition every minor leaguer who gets called up has a track record of adjustments and success. I just don't know why you're assuming Hendricks is already here to stay, that's all.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 13, 2014, 05:11:27 PM
By definition every minor leaguer who gets called up has a track record of adjustments and success. I just don't know why you're assuming Hendricks is already here to stay, that's all.
I also agree with Sterling Archer. Jesus, Fork.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 13, 2014, 05:11:27 PM
By definition every minor leaguer who gets called up has a track record of adjustments and success. I just don't know why you're assuming Hendricks is already here to stay, that's all.
He's got really good stuff, and he's really smart. I think he'll develop a pretty good book on hitters around the league.
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2014, 10:56:33 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 13, 2014, 05:11:27 PM
By definition every minor leaguer who gets called up has a track record of adjustments and success. I just don't know why you're assuming Hendricks is already here to stay, that's all.
He's got really good stuff, and he's really smart. I think he'll develop a pretty good book on hitters around the league.
His fastball can't break a window but sure yeah okay.
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2014, 11:16:47 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2014, 10:56:33 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 13, 2014, 05:11:27 PM
By definition every minor leaguer who gets called up has a track record of adjustments and success. I just don't know why you're assuming Hendricks is already here to stay, that's all.
He's got really good stuff, and he's really smart. I think he'll develop a pretty good book on hitters around the league.
His fastball can't break a window but sure yeah okay.
All Fork is saying is that he's good and going to be good up until he's bad and then he'll be bad. Just like he said he would be aaaallll the way back in 2014. Fork's got all the bases covered, and not just b/c he's standing at the pitcher's mound on Huey's softball field.
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 14, 2014, 08:55:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2014, 11:16:47 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2014, 10:56:33 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 13, 2014, 05:11:27 PM
By definition every minor leaguer who gets called up has a track record of adjustments and success. I just don't know why you're assuming Hendricks is already here to stay, that's all.
He's got really good stuff, and he's really smart. I think he'll develop a pretty good book on hitters around the league.
His fastball can't break a window but sure yeah okay.
All Fork is saying is that he's good and going to be good up until he's bad and then he'll be bad. Just like he said he would be aaaallll the way back in 2014. Fork's got all the bases covered, and not just b/c he's standing at the pitcher's mound on Huey's softball field.
I couldn't be all over Hendricks any more if he were your mom.
This whole thread makes me not like Hendricks. Not entirely sure why, but fuck that dude
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2014, 04:07:18 PM
Best of all, his repertoire and delivery probably means he'll enjoy pretty robust health throughout his career.
This is my favorite Fork-pretends-to-be-a-scout post in quite some time.
Quote from: Eli on August 14, 2014, 11:37:15 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2014, 04:07:18 PM
Best of all, his repertoire and delivery probably means he'll enjoy pretty robust health throughout his career.
This is my favorite Fork-pretends-to-be-a-scout post in quite some time.
If you read Fork's posts picturing a grown man petting several kitties, they all get even better.
Quote from: BH on August 14, 2014, 11:42:30 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 14, 2014, 11:37:15 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2014, 04:07:18 PM
Best of all, his repertoire and delivery probably means he'll enjoy pretty robust health throughout his career.
This is my favorite Fork-pretends-to-be-a-scout post in quite some time.
If you read Fork's posts picturing a grown man petting several kitties, they all get even better.
Come on. Who doesn't like kittens?
Quote from: Eli on August 14, 2014, 11:37:15 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2014, 04:07:18 PM
Best of all, his repertoire and delivery probably means he'll enjoy pretty robust health throughout his career.
This is my favorite Fork-pretends-to-be-a-scout post in quite some time.
Since the Blake Parker experience?
Quote from: CBStew on August 14, 2014, 12:13:16 PM
Quote from: BH on August 14, 2014, 11:42:30 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 14, 2014, 11:37:15 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2014, 04:07:18 PM
Best of all, his repertoire and delivery probably means he'll enjoy pretty robust health throughout his career.
This is my favorite Fork-pretends-to-be-a-scout post in quite some time.
If you read Fork's posts picturing a grown man petting several kitties, they all get even better.
Come on. Who doesn't like kittens?
Wheezer and Yettoe.
They LOVE them!
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 13, 2014, 05:11:27 PM
By definition every minor leaguer who gets called up has a track record of adjustments and success. I just don't know why you're assuming Hendricks is already here to stay, that's all.
Intrepid reader: Daniel GaribayAhem.
Quote from: Tonker on August 14, 2014, 04:30:37 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 13, 2014, 05:11:27 PM
By definition every minor leaguer who gets called up has a track record of adjustments and success. I just don't know why you're assuming Hendricks is already here to stay, that's all.
Intrepid reader: Daniel Garibay
Ahem.
Dear God. You went Garibay.
Quote from: SKO on August 14, 2014, 04:34:45 PM
Quote from: Tonker on August 14, 2014, 04:30:37 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 13, 2014, 05:11:27 PM
By definition every minor leaguer who gets called up has a track record of adjustments and success. I just don't know why you're assuming Hendricks is already here to stay, that's all.
Intrepid reader: Daniel Garibay
Ahem.
Dear God. You went Garibay.
Yes I did. You think this is a game?
Quote from: Tonker on August 14, 2014, 04:42:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 14, 2014, 04:34:45 PM
Quote from: Tonker on August 14, 2014, 04:30:37 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 13, 2014, 05:11:27 PM
By definition every minor leaguer who gets called up has a track record of adjustments and success. I just don't know why you're assuming Hendricks is already here to stay, that's all.
Intrepid reader: Daniel Garibay
Ahem.
Dear God. You went Garibay.
Yes I did. You think this is a game?
I failed to account for a delusional front office.
Curses.
Another win, another quality start - 6 in a row.
Another win, another QS.
5 straight starts without allowing a homer.
Greatly enjoying the Kyle Hendricks Experience.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 17, 2014, 10:29:28 PM
Another win, another QS.
5 straight starts without allowing a homer.
Greatly enjoying the Kyle Hendricks Experience.
Against teams that have already seen his stuff. I know it's fashionable to compare him to Maddux, but he keeps reminding me of Buehrle.
Quote from: Fork on September 17, 2014, 11:17:07 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 17, 2014, 10:29:28 PM
Another win, another QS.
5 straight starts without allowing a homer.
Greatly enjoying the Kyle Hendricks Experience.
Against teams that have already seen his stuff. I know it's fashionable to compare him to Maddux, but he keeps reminding me of Buehrle.
You mean he keeps making you think he's a colossal cunt?
Quote from: Tonker on September 18, 2014, 02:06:20 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 17, 2014, 11:17:07 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 17, 2014, 10:29:28 PM
Another win, another QS.
5 straight starts without allowing a homer.
Greatly enjoying the Kyle Hendricks Experience.
Against teams that have already seen his stuff. I know it's fashionable to compare him to Maddux, but he keeps reminding me of Buehrle.
You mean he keeps making you think he's a colossal cunt?
A colossal cunt who gets guys out without ever ticking 90 on the radar gun, yeah.
Huh. Didn't see that coming. Kudos, kid.
I went looking for the last time the Cubs had someone 25 or under throw a shutout thinking it was probably Zambrano, Wood, or Prior.
Holy shit did I ever forget that Sergio Mitre was an actual person.
Also, I know Huey will probably tell me what brand and flavor of toothpaste he used the morning that Glendon Rusch threw a shutout, but I don't remember that either and refuse to believe it actually happened.
Quote from: ChuckD on May 21, 2015, 10:57:27 PM
I went looking for the last time the Cubs had someone 25 or under throw a shutout thinking it was probably Zambrano, Wood, or Prior.
Holy shit did I ever forget that Sergio Mitre was an actual person.
Also, I know Huey will probably tell me what brand and flavor of toothpaste he used the morning that Glendon Rusch threw a shutout, but I don't remember that either and refuse to believe it actually happened.
Sorry I can only recall a game where Rusch struck Jim Edmonds out 3 times and hit a homerun against the Cardinals in May or June, 2004.
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2015, 10:27:03 PM
Huh. Didn't see that coming. Kudos, kid.
Not even
I had him in the "First Cub pitcher to throw a complete game" pool.
Bump. Looking sharp, Kid
So is he a warm weather pitcher? Too lazy to look up gameday temps for him.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 27, 2015, 07:30:02 AM
So is he a warm weather pitcher? Too lazy to look up gameday temps for him.
Maybe. I think in some ways he was also a bit unlucky for awhile. Teams seemed to string a lot of weak hits in a row against him. His FIP before the start against SD was 3.91, which isn't great but was well below his ERA of 5.15, and his peripherals were all pretty close to last year. He was giving up slightly more hits and homers but he was also K'ing an average of 2 more guys per 9 innings.
The last two starts have brought his ERA down to 3.76 and his FIP down to 3.67 (not that far from his FIP last year of 3.32). So if he can stay in that range that'd be great.
Striking out Stanton with no outs and bases loaded? Bumpworthy.
Edit: Well ... crap.
Quote from: ChuckD on June 02, 2015, 07:36:27 PM
Striking out Stanton with no outs and bases loaded? Bumpworthy.
Edit: Well ... crap.
Awful, awful execution on that extremely hittable pitch to Ozuna. I said "uh oh" as soon as it left his hand.
13 1/3 scoreless in his last two starts is bumpworthy. Or maybe it's not. Huey will let me know either way I'm sure
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2015, 04:00:46 PM
13 1/3 scoreless in his last two starts is bumpworthy. Or maybe it's not. Huey will let me know either way I'm sure
He's been good and is shutting my hatred of him right up.
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2015, 04:00:46 PM
13 1/3 scoreless in his last two starts is bumpworthy. Or maybe it's not. Huey will let me know either way I'm sure
*nods head approvingly*
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 05, 2015, 05:08:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2015, 04:00:46 PM
13 1/3 scoreless in his last two starts is bumpworthy. Or maybe it's not. Huey will let me know either way I'm sure
He's been good and is shutting my hatred of him right up.
This. I'm sorry for what I said and I'll never doubt Chris Bosio ever again.
Over the last calendar year:
29 starts
About 6 IP/start
3.19 ERA
3.37 FIP
I'm guessing there are quite a few teams who would take this guy as a #4 starter and just about any team would take him as a #5. He'll likely never be more than a back end guy but if he can give you 180-190 innings a year, it's valuable.
Quote from: R-V on July 06, 2015, 09:09:19 AM
Over the last calendar year:
29 starts
About 6 IP/start
3.19 ERA
3.37 FIP
I'm guessing there are quite a few teams who would take this guy as a #4 starter and just about any team would take him as a #5. He'll likely never be more than a back end guy but if he can give you 180-190 innings a year, it's valuable.
Yeah I think this is just it. He is what he is and it's what we all say we want him to be (a decent #4). Then we forget all about it and bitch when he gets shelled because we're all idiots, but really every back end starter in baseball gets shelled every now and then and it ain't pretty when it happens. He's not gonna be in a postseason rotation but he's better than Jason Marquis.
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 09:16:00 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 06, 2015, 09:09:19 AM
Over the last calendar year:
29 starts
About 6 IP/start
3.19 ERA
3.37 FIP
I'm guessing there are quite a few teams who would take this guy as a #4 starter and just about any team would take him as a #5. He'll likely never be more than a back end guy but if he can give you 180-190 innings a year, it's valuable.
Yeah I think this is just it. He is what he is and it's what we all say we want him to be (a decent #4). Then we forget all about it and bitch when he gets shelled because we're all idiots, but really every back end starter in baseball gets shelled every now and then and it ain't pretty when it happens. He's not gonna be in a postseason rotation but he's better than Jason Marquis.
But god knows there are some amazing backup catchers out there.
Quote from: Oleg on July 06, 2015, 12:01:06 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 09:16:00 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 06, 2015, 09:09:19 AM
Over the last calendar year:
29 starts
About 6 IP/start
3.19 ERA
3.37 FIP
I'm guessing there are quite a few teams who would take this guy as a #4 starter and just about any team would take him as a #5. He'll likely never be more than a back end guy but if he can give you 180-190 innings a year, it's valuable.
Yeah I think this is just it. He is what he is and it's what we all say we want him to be (a decent #4). Then we forget all about it and bitch when he gets shelled because we're all idiots, but really every back end starter in baseball gets shelled every now and then and it ain't pretty when it happens. He's not gonna be in a postseason rotation but he's better than Jason Marquis.
But god knows there are some amazing backup catchers out there.
Not too many, but I'd like that guy out in Arizona that's got a .911 OPS over the last month and is hitting lefties to the tune of an .807 OPS this season as a platoon partner for Montero. Wonder where you get a guy like that.
I feel kinda bad no one said anything about him throwing 22 scoreless innings or whatever, so, yay Kyle.
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 12:58:03 PM
I feel kinda bad no one said anything about him throwing 22 scoreless innings or whatever, so, yay Kyle.
Someone asked me what I think of him the other day and I paused. I think when he's good I'm happy. I just keep waiting for him not to be good. He had a rough stretch this year but pulled himself out of it rather quickly and he's established himself as a nice option late in the rotation. If you asked me about his shelf life I'd have no idea.
If you asked me would I be comfortable with him starting a playoff game I'd still say no way in hell.
It's a weird relationship.
Quote from: Slaky on July 20, 2015, 01:00:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 12:58:03 PM
I feel kinda bad no one said anything about him throwing 22 scoreless innings or whatever, so, yay Kyle.
Someone asked me what I think of him the other day and I paused. I think when he's good I'm happy. I just keep waiting for him not to be good. He had a rough stretch this year but pulled himself out of it rather quickly and he's established himself as a nice option late in the rotation. If you asked me about his shelf life I'd have no idea.
If you asked me would I be comfortable with him starting a playoff game I'd still say no way in hell.
It's a weird relationship.
He can stay the 4th starter until as long as he's basically free or starts being bad, I guess.
Quote from: Slaky on July 20, 2015, 01:00:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 12:58:03 PM
I feel kinda bad no one said anything about him throwing 22 scoreless innings or whatever, so, yay Kyle.
Someone asked me what I think of him the other day and I paused. I think when he's good I'm happy. I just keep waiting for him not to be good. He had a rough stretch this year but pulled himself out of it rather quickly and he's established himself as a nice option late in the rotation. If you asked me about his shelf life I'd have no idea.
If you asked me would I be comfortable with him starting a playoff game I'd still say no way in hell.
It's a weird relationship.
This is the key for me. By all of the numbers he's a very good #4. Hell, he's a good #3. He's now done it for 30+ starts, with ample time for the league to figure him out, and every time it seems like they might have he bounces back. I believe he is "for real." I just want the Cubs to get a Hamels/Kazmir/Price type because man do I not believe for a second that he could avoid getting slaughtered by that Dodgers lineup in the playoffs.
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 01:14:48 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 20, 2015, 01:00:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 12:58:03 PM
I feel kinda bad no one said anything about him throwing 22 scoreless innings or whatever, so, yay Kyle.
Someone asked me what I think of him the other day and I paused. I think when he's good I'm happy. I just keep waiting for him not to be good. He had a rough stretch this year but pulled himself out of it rather quickly and he's established himself as a nice option late in the rotation. If you asked me about his shelf life I'd have no idea.
If you asked me would I be comfortable with him starting a playoff game I'd still say no way in hell.
It's a weird relationship.
This is the key for me. By all of the numbers he's a very good #4. Hell, he's a good #3. He's now done it for 30+ starts, with ample time for the league to figure him out, and every time it seems like they might have he bounces back. I believe he is "for real." I just want the Cubs to get a Hamels/Kazmir/Price type because man do I not believe for a second that he could avoid getting slaughtered by that Dodgers lineup in the playoffs.
If you take the position that if you're one of the top 30 starters in baseball, you're a #1 starter, he's been a #1 over the last calendar year. Very impressive but I agree he's not a guy you want starting in the playoffs. He'd be a great long man though when the Cubs pound the shit out of Lance Lynn in game 1 of the NLCS and they're able to pull Jake from the game early.
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Quote from: Slaky on July 20, 2015, 01:00:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 12:58:03 PM
I feel kinda bad no one said anything about him throwing 22 scoreless innings or whatever, so, yay Kyle.
Someone asked me what I think of him the other day and I paused. I think when he's good I'm happy. I just keep waiting for him not to be good. He had a rough stretch this year but pulled himself out of it rather quickly and he's established himself as a nice option late in the rotation. If you asked me about his shelf life I'd have no idea.
If you asked me would I be comfortable with him starting a playoff game I'd still say no way in hell.
It's a weird relationship.
If your #5 starter is starting a playoff game, that means you're up 3-1 in the series.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 20, 2015, 01:51:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 20, 2015, 01:00:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 12:58:03 PM
I feel kinda bad no one said anything about him throwing 22 scoreless innings or whatever, so, yay Kyle.
Someone asked me what I think of him the other day and I paused. I think when he's good I'm happy. I just keep waiting for him not to be good. He had a rough stretch this year but pulled himself out of it rather quickly and he's established himself as a nice option late in the rotation. If you asked me about his shelf life I'd have no idea.
If you asked me would I be comfortable with him starting a playoff game I'd still say no way in hell.
It's a weird relationship.
If your #5 starter is starting a playoff game, that means you're up 3-1 in the series.
Did I misst he Cubs acquiring a new 4th starter?
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 01:14:48 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 20, 2015, 01:00:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 12:58:03 PM
I feel kinda bad no one said anything about him throwing 22 scoreless innings or whatever, so, yay Kyle.
Someone asked me what I think of him the other day and I paused. I think when he's good I'm happy. I just keep waiting for him not to be good. He had a rough stretch this year but pulled himself out of it rather quickly and he's established himself as a nice option late in the rotation. If you asked me about his shelf life I'd have no idea.
If you asked me would I be comfortable with him starting a playoff game I'd still say no way in hell.
It's a weird relationship.
This is the key for me. By all of the numbers he's a very good #4. Hell, he's a good #3. He's now done it for 30+ starts, with ample time for the league to figure him out, and every time it seems like they might have he bounces back. I believe he is "for real." I just want the Cubs to get a Hamels/Kazmir/Price type because man do I not believe for a second that he could avoid getting slaughtered by that Dodgers lineup in the playoffs.
One of these things is not like the others.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 20, 2015, 02:02:41 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 01:14:48 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 20, 2015, 01:00:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 12:58:03 PM
I feel kinda bad no one said anything about him throwing 22 scoreless innings or whatever, so, yay Kyle.
Someone asked me what I think of him the other day and I paused. I think when he's good I'm happy. I just keep waiting for him not to be good. He had a rough stretch this year but pulled himself out of it rather quickly and he's established himself as a nice option late in the rotation. If you asked me about his shelf life I'd have no idea.
If you asked me would I be comfortable with him starting a playoff game I'd still say no way in hell.
It's a weird relationship.
This is the key for me. By all of the numbers he's a very good #4. Hell, he's a good #3. He's now done it for 30+ starts, with ample time for the league to figure him out, and every time it seems like they might have he bounces back. I believe he is "for real." I just want the Cubs to get a Hamels/Kazmir/Price type because man do I not believe for a second that he could avoid getting slaughtered by that Dodgers lineup in the playoffs.
One of these things is not like the others.
If you're talking about just having one of them to start a playoff game, I don't really think so, not based on what they've done this year. If you're talking about handing over a fat check to one of them to be a Cub after 2015, sure, Kazmir's different.
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 02:08:31 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 20, 2015, 02:02:41 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 01:14:48 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 20, 2015, 01:00:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 12:58:03 PM
I feel kinda bad no one said anything about him throwing 22 scoreless innings or whatever, so, yay Kyle.
Someone asked me what I think of him the other day and I paused. I think when he's good I'm happy. I just keep waiting for him not to be good. He had a rough stretch this year but pulled himself out of it rather quickly and he's established himself as a nice option late in the rotation. If you asked me about his shelf life I'd have no idea.
If you asked me would I be comfortable with him starting a playoff game I'd still say no way in hell.
It's a weird relationship.
This is the key for me. By all of the numbers he's a very good #4. Hell, he's a good #3. He's now done it for 30+ starts, with ample time for the league to figure him out, and every time it seems like they might have he bounces back. I believe he is "for real." I just want the Cubs to get a Hamels/Kazmir/Price type because man do I not believe for a second that he could avoid getting slaughtered by that Dodgers lineup in the playoffs.
One of these things is not like the others.
If you're talking about just having one of them to start a playoff game, I don't really think so, not based on what they've done this year. If you're talking about handing over a fat check to one of them to be a Cub after 2015, sure, Kazmir's different.
I don't trust Kazmir's outlier of a season at all. I certainly wouldn't trust him in the playoffs. If they get him I'd love to be proven wrong but wouldn't bet on it. He also might be Oakland's Jason Hammel, worth way more to them than anyone else.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 20, 2015, 02:12:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 02:08:31 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 20, 2015, 02:02:41 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 01:14:48 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 20, 2015, 01:00:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 12:58:03 PM
I feel kinda bad no one said anything about him throwing 22 scoreless innings or whatever, so, yay Kyle.
Someone asked me what I think of him the other day and I paused. I think when he's good I'm happy. I just keep waiting for him not to be good. He had a rough stretch this year but pulled himself out of it rather quickly and he's established himself as a nice option late in the rotation. If you asked me about his shelf life I'd have no idea.
If you asked me would I be comfortable with him starting a playoff game I'd still say no way in hell.
It's a weird relationship.
This is the key for me. By all of the numbers he's a very good #4. Hell, he's a good #3. He's now done it for 30+ starts, with ample time for the league to figure him out, and every time it seems like they might have he bounces back. I believe he is "for real." I just want the Cubs to get a Hamels/Kazmir/Price type because man do I not believe for a second that he could avoid getting slaughtered by that Dodgers lineup in the playoffs.
One of these things is not like the others.
If you're talking about just having one of them to start a playoff game, I don't really think so, not based on what they've done this year. If you're talking about handing over a fat check to one of them to be a Cub after 2015, sure, Kazmir's different.
I don't trust Kazmir's outlier of a season at all. I certainly wouldn't trust him in the playoffs. If they get him I'd love to be proven wrong but wouldn't bet on it. He also might be Oakland's Jason Hammel, worth way more to them than anyone else.
He was pretty good last year, too? I don't think he's the same guy he was earlier in his career and he's found a way to be a lot more efficient than he was before all of the injuries. But yeah, sure, Price and Hamels are better pitchers. I just meant I hope the Cubs acquire a starter at the deadline who has better stuff than Kyle and I would trust that guy more to start a playoff game.
Does it really make sense for Theo/Jed to boil the ocean this deadline, when this season is supposed to be the prelude to an era? I mean, if a good deal is there, you take it.
But Price has done everything but pitch games wearing a Cubs hat, so they can grab him in the offseason without mortgaging any pieces of the future. For this offseason (if they stay in playoff position), they can roll three starters (which means a deeper bullpen), and see if the bats get hot. The window will be open for years.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 20, 2015, 03:24:14 PM
Does it really make sense for Theo/Jed to boil the ocean this deadline, when this season is supposed to be the prelude to an era? I mean, if a good deal is there, you take it.
But Price has done everything but pitch games wearing a Cubs hat, so they can try to grab him in the offseason without mortgaging any pieces of the future. For this offseason (if they stay in playoff position), they can roll three starters (which means a deeper bullpen), and see if the bats get hot. The window will be open for years.
I have no problem trading for a guy who is either under contract (Hamels) or a guy who agrees to an extension as part of a trade (one of those 72 hour windows). Not interested in an expensive rental. If you can get an unextended Price for not Schwarber, Baez, Jimenez, fine.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 20, 2015, 03:24:14 PM
But Price has done everything but pitch games wearing a Cubs hat, so they can grab him in the offseason without mortgaging any pieces of the future.
$200+ million is just as much a piece of the future as any precious prospect is.
Quote from: Eli on July 20, 2015, 03:30:43 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 20, 2015, 03:24:14 PM
But Price has done everything but pitch games wearing a Cubs hat, so they can grab him in the offseason without mortgaging any pieces of the future.
$200+ million is just as much a piece of the future as any precious prospect is.
Quiet, Fork and Chuck are busy demolishing the strawmen on this messageboard who have argued that the Cubs should trade Schwarber or Baez for a 3 month rental.
Intrepid Reader One of You Dickheads:Something something strawman pot calling strawman kettle black
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2015, 03:30:31 PM
If you can get an unextended Price for not Schwarber, Baez, Jimenez, fine.
If the Tigers would give Price up for Jimenez, that's a no-brainer. He's a lottery ticket who's still FIVE promotions away from making the big leagues. If you can get one of the 4-5 best pitchers in baseball with an 18-year-old headlining the deal, you take it and run.
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 03:35:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 20, 2015, 03:30:43 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 20, 2015, 03:24:14 PM
But Price has done everything but pitch games wearing a Cubs hat, so they can grab him in the offseason without mortgaging any pieces of the future.
$200+ million is just as much a piece of the future as any precious prospect is.
Quiet, Fork and Chuck are busy demolishing the strawmen on this messageboard who have argued that the Cubs should trade Schwarber or Baez for a 3 month rental.
Intrepid Reader One of You Dickheads:
Something something strawman pot calling strawman kettle black
One of us dickheads isn't wrong. Now if you'll excuse me, there are still some people who like Peter Gammons.
Quote from: Eli on July 20, 2015, 03:36:58 PM
If the Tigers would give Price up for Jimenez, that's a no-brainer. He's a lottery ticket who's still FIVE promotions away from making the big leagues. If you can get one of the 4-5 best pitchers in baseball with an 18-year-old headlining the deal, you take it and run.
I hate you for putting the possibility of this glorious, glorious trade into my mind.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 20, 2015, 03:39:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 03:35:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 20, 2015, 03:30:43 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 20, 2015, 03:24:14 PM
But Price has done everything but pitch games wearing a Cubs hat, so they can grab him in the offseason without mortgaging any pieces of the future.
$200+ million is just as much a piece of the future as any precious prospect is.
Quiet, Fork and Chuck are busy demolishing the strawmen on this messageboard who have argued that the Cubs should trade Schwarber or Baez for a 3 month rental.
Intrepid Reader One of You Dickheads:
Something something strawman pot calling strawman kettle black
One of us dickheads isn't wrong. Now if you'll excuse me, there are still some people who like Peter Gammons.
Quote from: Eli on July 20, 2015, 03:36:58 PM
If the Tigers would give Price up for Jimenez, that's a no-brainer. He's a lottery ticket who's still FIVE promotions away from making the big leagues. If you can get one of the 4-5 best pitchers in baseball with an 18-year-old headlining the deal, you take it and run.
I hate you for putting the possibility of this glorious, glorious trade into my mind.
If Theo and Jed can get Price for a package with Jiminez as the main piece, I'll personally be their finger cuffs.
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 03:35:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 20, 2015, 03:30:43 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 20, 2015, 03:24:14 PM
But Price has done everything but pitch games wearing a Cubs hat, so they can grab him in the offseason without mortgaging any pieces of the future.
$200+ million is just as much a piece of the future as any precious prospect is.
Quiet, Fork and Chuck are busy demolishing the strawmen on this messageboard who have argued that the Cubs should trade Schwarber or Baez for a 3 month rental.
Intrepid Reader One of You Dickheads:
Something something strawman pot calling strawman kettle black
Well, people HERE aren't saying this, but media-types are. I'm not calling out this board, just regular idiots in general.
And while I hear what you are saying about Jimenez for Price, I still wouldn't do that without an extension. Not with only a 2-game lead on the road wild card and the team sure looking like it needs offense more than pitching.
Quote from: Eli on July 20, 2015, 03:30:43 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 20, 2015, 03:24:14 PM
But Price has done everything but pitch games wearing a Cubs hat, so they can grab him in the offseason without mortgaging any pieces of the future.
$200+ million is just as much a piece of the future as any precious prospect is.
Not in a league without a salary cap.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2015, 03:49:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 03:35:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 20, 2015, 03:30:43 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 20, 2015, 03:24:14 PM
But Price has done everything but pitch games wearing a Cubs hat, so they can grab him in the offseason without mortgaging any pieces of the future.
$200+ million is just as much a piece of the future as any precious prospect is.
Quiet, Fork and Chuck are busy demolishing the strawmen on this messageboard who have argued that the Cubs should trade Schwarber or Baez for a 3 month rental.
Intrepid Reader One of You Dickheads:
Something something strawman pot calling strawman kettle black
Well, people HERE aren't saying this, but media-types are. I'm not calling out this board, just regular idiots in general.
And while I hear what you are saying about Jimenez for Price, I still wouldn't do that without an extension. Not with only a 2-game lead on the road wild card and the team sure looking like it needs offense more than pitching.
If they were able to move Jimenez for Price (again, finger cuffs), the Cubs would win 2 World Series before Eloy ever made the Majors. All on winning 1-0 games.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 20, 2015, 04:11:00 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2015, 03:49:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 03:35:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 20, 2015, 03:30:43 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 20, 2015, 03:24:14 PM
But Price has done everything but pitch games wearing a Cubs hat, so they can grab him in the offseason without mortgaging any pieces of the future.
$200+ million is just as much a piece of the future as any precious prospect is.
Quiet, Fork and Chuck are busy demolishing the strawmen on this messageboard who have argued that the Cubs should trade Schwarber or Baez for a 3 month rental.
Intrepid Reader One of You Dickheads:
Something something strawman pot calling strawman kettle black
Well, people HERE aren't saying this, but media-types are. I'm not calling out this board, just regular idiots in general.
And while I hear what you are saying about Jimenez for Price, I still wouldn't do that without an extension. Not with only a 2-game lead on the road wild card and the team sure looking like it needs offense more than pitching.
If they were able to move Jimenez for Price (again, finger cuffs), the Cubs would win 2 World Series before Eloy ever made the Majors. All on winning 1-0 games.
"Trader" Jason Motte saving all four games of the NLCS by striking out Yadier Molina swinging on a passed ball and Kyle Schwarber tagging out the tying runner trying to score from third whose path to the plate was blocked by Molina screaming at the umpire, resulting in the out. All four games. It's gonna hai
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 20, 2015, 04:11:00 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2015, 03:49:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2015, 03:35:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 20, 2015, 03:30:43 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 20, 2015, 03:24:14 PM
But Price has done everything but pitch games wearing a Cubs hat, so they can grab him in the offseason without mortgaging any pieces of the future.
$200+ million is just as much a piece of the future as any precious prospect is.
Quiet, Fork and Chuck are busy demolishing the strawmen on this messageboard who have argued that the Cubs should trade Schwarber or Baez for a 3 month rental.
Intrepid Reader One of You Dickheads:
Something something strawman pot calling strawman kettle black
Well, people HERE aren't saying this, but media-types are. I'm not calling out this board, just regular idiots in general.
And while I hear what you are saying about Jimenez for Price, I still wouldn't do that without an extension. Not with only a 2-game lead on the road wild card and the team sure looking like it needs offense more than pitching.
If they were able to move Jimenez for Price (again, finger cuffs), the Cubs would win 2 World Series before Eloy ever made the Majors. All on winning 1-0 games.
Pretty hard to win *2* if he leaves as a free agent.
However, were they to trade Eloy for Price and get Price to sign an extension...
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2015, 03:51:39 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 20, 2015, 03:30:43 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 20, 2015, 03:24:14 PM
But Price has done everything but pitch games wearing a Cubs hat, so they can grab him in the offseason without mortgaging any pieces of the future.
$200+ million is just as much a piece of the future as any precious prospect is.
Not in a league without a salary cap.
Except how you think the Ricketts should spend their money is different from how they're actually going to spend their money.
Pssst.... hey Kyle ....
(http://leesburgfire.org/images/barn_burn.jpg)
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 14, 2015, 04:05:05 PM
Pssst.... hey Kyle ....
(http://leesburgfire.org/images/barn_burn.jpg)
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 14, 2015, 04:05:05 PM
Pssst.... hey Kyle ....
(http://leesburgfire.org/images/barn_burn.jpg)
Hey Kyle, get your fucking ass in there now you bitch. Prob going to cost us this series with having to face Sale on Sunday. I was fine with the idea of taking 2 from the damn Sox, but losing both series to those overpaid and underachieving cunts won't cut it.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 14, 2015, 04:45:10 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 14, 2015, 04:05:05 PM
Pssst.... hey Kyle ....
(http://leesburgfire.org/images/barn_burn.jpg)
Hey Kyle, get your fucking ass in there now you bitch. Prob going to cost us this series with having to face Sale on Sunday. I was fine with the idea of taking 2 from the damn Sox, but losing both series to those overpaid and underachieving cunts won't cut it.
Pretty sure I'd be fine with getting swept by the Sox if the Cubs subsequently win the World Series.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 14, 2015, 04:48:19 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 14, 2015, 04:45:10 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 14, 2015, 04:05:05 PM
Pssst.... hey Kyle ....
(http://leesburgfire.org/images/barn_burn.jpg)
Hey Kyle, get your fucking ass in there now you bitch. Prob going to cost us this series with having to face Sale on Sunday. I was fine with the idea of taking 2 from the damn Sox, but losing both series to those overpaid and underachieving cunts won't cut it.
Pretty sure I'd be fine with getting swept by the Sox if the Cubs subsequently win the World Series.
Well of course, but not being the Amazing Kreskin and knowing how the season will end, I don't want dumbfuck Sox fans to hold that over us.
I just checked, and yep, I still Bort-hate Kyle Hendricks.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 26, 2015, 11:08:56 PM
I just checked, and yep, I still Bort-hate Kyle Hendricks.
I approve of this terminology.
So far this year, the Cubs' no. 4 starter has pitched 142 innings of 3.50 FIP baseball. If you'd have offered me that in March, I'd probably have taken it, and yet, every time he goes to the mound I wish he'd chosen some other career. Part of Hendricks' problem, though, is that he looks like a scared fourteen-year-old: if he had the good face and a thick beard, we'd all cut him a lot more slack. That's my theory, anyway.
Quote from: Tonker on August 27, 2015, 08:35:27 AM
So far this year, the Cubs' no. 4 starter has pitched 142 innings of 3.50 FIP baseball. If you'd have offered me that in March, I'd probably have taken it, and yet, every time he goes to the mound I wish he'd chosen some other career. Part of Hendricks' problem, though, is that he looks like a scared fourteen-year-old: if he had the good face and a thick beard, we'd all cut him a lot more slack. That's my theory, anyway.
Pretty much this. It always looks so much worse than it is with him, and even when he pitches well you've spent the whole game with your butt clenched waiting for the other shoe to drop, so you never really enjoy it. On a team full of guys who are ridiculously fun to watch, he's just not. I also think we'd be less annoyed by Kyle Hendricks right now if Hammel wasn't in a month+ long stretch of being mostly useless and Haren wasn't completely useless.
As a number five, which I really hope is all he is next year after they land one of the top guys on the market, Hendricks is fine. On a team that's desperately looking for a third guy to give them a good start, Hendricks is getting a lot of anger for simply being the guy that we probably should have expected him to be all along.
Quote from: SKO on August 27, 2015, 08:40:45 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 27, 2015, 08:35:27 AM
So far this year, the Cubs' no. 4 starter has pitched 142 innings of 3.50 FIP baseball. If you'd have offered me that in March, I'd probably have taken it, and yet, every time he goes to the mound I wish he'd chosen some other career. Part of Hendricks' problem, though, is that he looks like a scared fourteen-year-old: if he had the good face and a thick beard, we'd all cut him a lot more slack. That's my theory, anyway.
Pretty much this. It always looks so much worse than it is with him, and even when he pitches well you've spent the whole game with your butt clenched waiting for the other shoe to drop, so you never really enjoy it. On a team full of guys who are ridiculously fun to watch, he's just not. I also think we'd be less annoyed by Kyle Hendricks right now if Hammel wasn't in a month+ long stretch of being mostly useless and Haren wasn't completely useless.
As a number five, which I really hope is all he is next year after they land one of the top guys on the market, Hendricks is fine. On a team that's desperately looking for a third guy to give them a good start, Hendricks is getting a lot of anger for simply being the guy that we probably should have expected him to be all along.
Even last night he pitched well enough to win but the offense was silent besides Bryant and Derpfaces of America were performing a kickline in the outfield. But yeah, I was annoyed at Hendricks and gave up on the game.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 27, 2015, 08:44:16 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 27, 2015, 08:40:45 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 27, 2015, 08:35:27 AM
So far this year, the Cubs' no. 4 starter has pitched 142 innings of 3.50 FIP baseball. If you'd have offered me that in March, I'd probably have taken it, and yet, every time he goes to the mound I wish he'd chosen some other career. Part of Hendricks' problem, though, is that he looks like a scared fourteen-year-old: if he had the good face and a thick beard, we'd all cut him a lot more slack. That's my theory, anyway.
Pretty much this. It always looks so much worse than it is with him, and even when he pitches well you've spent the whole game with your butt clenched waiting for the other shoe to drop, so you never really enjoy it. On a team full of guys who are ridiculously fun to watch, he's just not. I also think we'd be less annoyed by Kyle Hendricks right now if Hammel wasn't in a month+ long stretch of being mostly useless and Haren wasn't completely useless.
As a number five, which I really hope is all he is next year after they land one of the top guys on the market, Hendricks is fine. On a team that's desperately looking for a third guy to give them a good start, Hendricks is getting a lot of anger for simply being the guy that we probably should have expected him to be all along.
Even last night he pitched well enough to win but the offense was silent besides Bryant and Derpfaces of America were performing a kickline in the outfield. But yeah, I was annoyed at Hendricks and gave up on the game.
Yeah, not scoring more than two runs off Peavy was the real problem. In the abstract, Hendricks giving up 4 in 6 on the road vs SF is hardly worth bitching about, but when you watch it happen live you spend the entire game just waiting for him to give up more than that, because he's perpetually one slightly elevated sinker hit into the bay away from getting completely torched.
Also nothing annoys people more than when you score runs in the top of the first inning and feel super excited about a game and then your pitcher immediately allows them to tie it up. Even if it's the offense's fault they didn't score the rest of the way, you still get mad about pitchers being staked to a lead and then blowing it.
Quote from: SKO on August 27, 2015, 08:48:26 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 27, 2015, 08:44:16 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 27, 2015, 08:40:45 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 27, 2015, 08:35:27 AM
So far this year, the Cubs' no. 4 starter has pitched 142 innings of 3.50 FIP baseball. If you'd have offered me that in March, I'd probably have taken it, and yet, every time he goes to the mound I wish he'd chosen some other career. Part of Hendricks' problem, though, is that he looks like a scared fourteen-year-old: if he had the good face and a thick beard, we'd all cut him a lot more slack. That's my theory, anyway.
Pretty much this. It always looks so much worse than it is with him, and even when he pitches well you've spent the whole game with your butt clenched waiting for the other shoe to drop, so you never really enjoy it. On a team full of guys who are ridiculously fun to watch, he's just not. I also think we'd be less annoyed by Kyle Hendricks right now if Hammel wasn't in a month+ long stretch of being mostly useless and Haren wasn't completely useless.
As a number five, which I really hope is all he is next year after they land one of the top guys on the market, Hendricks is fine. On a team that's desperately looking for a third guy to give them a good start, Hendricks is getting a lot of anger for simply being the guy that we probably should have expected him to be all along.
Even last night he pitched well enough to win but the offense was silent besides Bryant and Derpfaces of America were performing a kickline in the outfield. But yeah, I was annoyed at Hendricks and gave up on the game.
Yeah, not scoring more than two runs off Peavy was the real problem. In the abstract, Hendricks giving up 4 in 6 on the road vs SF is hardly worth bitching about, but when you watch it happen live you spend the entire game just waiting for him to give up more than that, because he's perpetually one slightly elevated sinker hit into the bay away from getting completely torched.
Also nothing annoys people more than when you score runs in the top of the first inning and feel super excited about a game and then your pitcher immediately allows them to tie it up. Even if it's the offense's fault they didn't score the rest of the way, you still get mad about pitchers being staked to a lead and then blowing it.
It's not just that he allowed the game to immediately get tied up, it's that he did so in part by walking 3 batters which is abjectly infuriating.
Quote from: Tonker on August 27, 2015, 08:35:27 AM
So far this year, the Cubs' no. 4 starter has pitched 142 innings of 3.50 FIP baseball. If you'd have offered me that in March, I'd probably have taken it, and yet, every time he goes to the mound I wish he'd chosen some other career. Part of Hendricks' problem, though, is that he looks like a scared fourteen-year-old: if he had the good face and a thick beard, we'd all cut him a lot more slack. That's my theory, anyway.
All of this. I know the numbers say he's been quite good, but I don't believe it and I hate looking at his terrified face.
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2015, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 27, 2015, 08:35:27 AM
So far this year, the Cubs' no. 4 starter has pitched 142 innings of 3.50 FIP baseball. If you'd have offered me that in March, I'd probably have taken it, and yet, every time he goes to the mound I wish he'd chosen some other career. Part of Hendricks' problem, though, is that he looks like a scared fourteen-year-old: if he had the good face and a thick beard, we'd all cut him a lot more slack. That's my theory, anyway.
All of this. I know the numbers say he's been quite good, but I don't believe it and I hate looking at his terrified face.
I felt like this about Rich Hill in 2007, too. Although I doubt Kyle is going to end up with Rick Ankiel Disease.
Quote from: SKO on August 27, 2015, 09:00:08 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2015, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 27, 2015, 08:35:27 AM
So far this year, the Cubs' no. 4 starter has pitched 142 innings of 3.50 FIP baseball. If you'd have offered me that in March, I'd probably have taken it, and yet, every time he goes to the mound I wish he'd chosen some other career. Part of Hendricks' problem, though, is that he looks like a scared fourteen-year-old: if he had the good face and a thick beard, we'd all cut him a lot more slack. That's my theory, anyway.
All of this. I know the numbers say he's been quite good, but I don't believe it and I hate looking at his terrified face.
I felt like this about Rich Hill in 2007, too. Although I doubt Kyle is going to end up with Rick Ankiel Disease.
I had such high hopes for Rich. But yeah, this.
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2015, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 27, 2015, 08:35:27 AM
So far this year, the Cubs' no. 4 starter has pitched 142 innings of 3.50 FIP baseball. If you'd have offered me that in March, I'd probably have taken it, and yet, every time he goes to the mound I wish he'd chosen some other career. Part of Hendricks' problem, though, is that he looks like a scared fourteen-year-old: if he had the good face and a thick beard, we'd all cut him a lot more slack. That's my theory, anyway.
All of this. I know the numbers say he's been quite good, but I don't believe it and I hate looking at his terrified face.
I think it's the fact that his fastball just rarely hits anything above 91. I know it shouldn't matter that much but I'm just expecting every batter to just hit him hard.
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2015, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 27, 2015, 08:35:27 AM
So far this year, the Cubs' no. 4 starter has pitched 142 innings of 3.50 FIP baseball. If you'd have offered me that in March, I'd probably have taken it, and yet, every time he goes to the mound I wish he'd chosen some other career. Part of Hendricks' problem, though, is that he looks like a scared fourteen-year-old: if he had the good face and a thick beard, we'd all cut him a lot more slack. That's my theory, anyway.
All of this. I know the numbers say he's been quite good, but I don't believe it and I hate looking at his terrified face.
Agreed.
And to Huey's point about the walks the one to Byrd had me yelling at the TV.
Quote from: flannj on August 27, 2015, 09:06:36 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2015, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 27, 2015, 08:35:27 AM
So far this year, the Cubs' no. 4 starter has pitched 142 innings of 3.50 FIP baseball. If you'd have offered me that in March, I'd probably have taken it, and yet, every time he goes to the mound I wish he'd chosen some other career. Part of Hendricks' problem, though, is that he looks like a scared fourteen-year-old: if he had the good face and a thick beard, we'd all cut him a lot more slack. That's my theory, anyway.
All of this. I know the numbers say he's been quite good, but I don't believe it and I hate looking at his terrified face.
Agreed.
And to Huey's point about the walks the one to Byrd had me yelling at the TV.
Me, too. I also yelled when Hunter walked him the night before with a fucking 7 run lead. If there's one thing in baseball that any pitcher worth a fucking damn should be able to do, it's avoid walking Marlon Byrd and his 5% career walk rate. Javy Baez walked at a higher rate last year than Marlon Byrd has for his career.
Quote from: SKO on August 27, 2015, 09:09:06 AM
Quote from: flannj on August 27, 2015, 09:06:36 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2015, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 27, 2015, 08:35:27 AM
So far this year, the Cubs' no. 4 starter has pitched 142 innings of 3.50 FIP baseball. If you'd have offered me that in March, I'd probably have taken it, and yet, every time he goes to the mound I wish he'd chosen some other career. Part of Hendricks' problem, though, is that he looks like a scared fourteen-year-old: if he had the good face and a thick beard, we'd all cut him a lot more slack. That's my theory, anyway.
All of this. I know the numbers say he's been quite good, but I don't believe it and I hate looking at his terrified face.
Agreed.
And to Huey's point about the walks the one to Byrd had me yelling at the TV.
Me, too. I also yelled when Hunter walked him the night before with a fucking 7 run lead. If there's one thing in baseball that any pitcher worth a fucking damn should be able to do, it's avoid walking Marlon Byrd and his 5% career walk rate. Javy Baez walked at a higher rate last year than Marlon Byrd has for his career.
Watching Montero's reaction was pretty telling, he looked PISSED.
Quote from: Oleg on August 27, 2015, 09:04:39 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2015, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 27, 2015, 08:35:27 AM
So far this year, the Cubs' no. 4 starter has pitched 142 innings of 3.50 FIP baseball. If you'd have offered me that in March, I'd probably have taken it, and yet, every time he goes to the mound I wish he'd chosen some other career. Part of Hendricks' problem, though, is that he looks like a scared fourteen-year-old: if he had the good face and a thick beard, we'd all cut him a lot more slack. That's my theory, anyway.
All of this. I know the numbers say he's been quite good, but I don't believe it and I hate looking at his terrified face.
I think it's the fact that his fastball just rarely hits anything above 91. I know it shouldn't matter that much but I'm just expecting every batter to just hit him hard.
And it is straight as an arrow.
A 2 run rally because he fucking plunked the opposing pitcher. Jesus Christ
Dear Kyle Hendricks:
(https://ajoshjacobs.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/screen-shot-2015-02-27-at-2-19-41-am.png?w=842&h=526)
I'm not fooled.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 12, 2015, 12:01:41 AM
I'm not fooled.
Getting a fuckload of runs early against a demoralized Phillies team certainly made his life easier.
Burn this thread to the fucking ground.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 13, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 13, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2014, 08:36:30 AM
If this kid can give us Randy Well's first two years as a #4 or #5 on a good team (with Arrieta and Lester #1 and 2, natch), I'd take that in a goddamn minute.
More like Randy Welp, AMIRITE?
Anyway, Hendricks' FIP (Look at me I read Grantland) is 3.30 and it's been low throughout his minor league career. I say he can pitch at this level. Until he can't.
Right. Even if he ERA rises over time to meet that FIP I'll take a mid-3 ERA any fifth day. Gimme more Kyle. Gimme more.
There's been no indication at any point in his career to indicate that he can't continue getting motherfuckers out. Even as he makes his second round through the NL, he's shown himself to be a smart enough pitcher to be able to adjust to hitters as they adjust to him.
He'll just be a Quality Start Machine for years.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 17, 2015, 12:47:47 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 13, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 13, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2014, 08:36:30 AM
If this kid can give us Randy Well's first two years as a #4 or #5 on a good team (with Arrieta and Lester #1 and 2, natch), I'd take that in a goddamn minute.
More like Randy Welp, AMIRITE?
Anyway, Hendricks' FIP (Look at me I read Grantland) is 3.30 and it's been low throughout his minor league career. I say he can pitch at this level. Until he can't.
Right. Even if he ERA rises over time to meet that FIP I'll take a mid-3 ERA any fifth day. Gimme more Kyle. Gimme more.
There's been no indication at any point in his career to indicate that he can't continue getting motherfuckers out. Even as he makes his second round through the NL, he's shown himself to be a smart enough pitcher to be able to adjust to hitters as they adjust to him.
He'll just be a Quality Start Machine for years.
In Fork's defense he makes hilariously optimistic forecasts about every prospect to wear a Cubs uniform, so he's bound to be wrong sometimes.
What a difference a year makes. That whole quote box is one hilarious bag 'o' wrong.
Quote from: PANK! on September 17, 2015, 12:59:52 PM
What a difference a year makes. That whole quote box is one hilarious bag 'o' wrong.
Quality Start Machine.
Quote from: Eli on September 17, 2015, 01:09:07 PM
Quote from: PANK! on September 17, 2015, 12:59:52 PM
What a difference a year makes. That whole quote box is one hilarious bag 'o' wrong.
Quality Start Machine.
Peace offering: Sterling had him pegged from day one. Good on you, kid.
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2015, 12:56:44 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 17, 2015, 12:47:47 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 13, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 13, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2014, 08:36:30 AM
If this kid can give us Randy Well's first two years as a #4 or #5 on a good team (with Arrieta and Lester #1 and 2, natch), I'd take that in a goddamn minute.
More like Randy Welp, AMIRITE?
Anyway, Hendricks' FIP (Look at me I read Grantland) is 3.30 and it's been low throughout his minor league career. I say he can pitch at this level. Until he can't.
Right. Even if he ERA rises over time to meet that FIP I'll take a mid-3 ERA any fifth day. Gimme more Kyle. Gimme more.
There's been no indication at any point in his career to indicate that he can't continue getting motherfuckers out. Even as he makes his second round through the NL, he's shown himself to be a smart enough pitcher to be able to adjust to hitters as they adjust to him.
He'll just be a Quality Start Machine for years.
In Fork's defense he makes hilariously optimistic forecasts about every prospect to wear a Cubs uniform, so he's bound to be wrong sometimes.
Hey, even I pumped the brakes on the "next Maddux" talk that was floating around.
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2015, 01:11:06 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 17, 2015, 01:09:07 PM
Quote from: PANK! on September 17, 2015, 12:59:52 PM
What a difference a year makes. That whole quote box is one hilarious bag 'o' wrong.
Quality Start Machine.
Peace offering: Sterling had him pegged from day one. Good on you, kid.
He sure did. And looking back, Fork seems to have been the only one really caught up believing in Hendricks.
Fork also gave us this in the thread:
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 13, 2014, 11:55:39 AM
Alcantara has been able to hit at each level, even if he might not get off to a rip-roaring start - same thing with Baez. There's no reaso ton believe either of these guys shouldn't both figure out big-league pitching.
No reason at all to believe Alcantara can't hit major-league pitching.
Quote from: Eli on September 17, 2015, 01:20:06 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2015, 01:11:06 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 17, 2015, 01:09:07 PM
Quote from: PANK! on September 17, 2015, 12:59:52 PM
What a difference a year makes. That whole quote box is one hilarious bag 'o' wrong.
Quality Start Machine.
Peace offering: Sterling had him pegged from day one. Good on you, kid.
He sure did. And looking back, Fork seems to have been the only one really caught up believing in Hendricks.
Fork also gave us this in the thread:
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 13, 2014, 11:55:39 AM
Alcantara has been able to hit at each level, even if he might not get off to a rip-roaring start - same thing with Baez. There's no reaso ton believe either of these guys shouldn't both figure out big-league pitching.
No reason at all to believe Alcantara can't hit major-league pitching.
Yeah, everyone else was saying it'd be awesome
if Hendricks kept it up, Fork was the only one saying he would most definitely keep it up because minor league stats.
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2015, 01:21:40 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 17, 2015, 01:20:06 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2015, 01:11:06 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 17, 2015, 01:09:07 PM
Quote from: PANK! on September 17, 2015, 12:59:52 PM
What a difference a year makes. That whole quote box is one hilarious bag 'o' wrong.
Quality Start Machine.
Peace offering: Sterling had him pegged from day one. Good on you, kid.
He sure did. And looking back, Fork seems to have been the only one really caught up believing in Hendricks.
Fork also gave us this in the thread:
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 13, 2014, 11:55:39 AM
Alcantara has been able to hit at each level, even if he might not get off to a rip-roaring start - same thing with Baez. There's no reaso ton believe either of these guys shouldn't both figure out big-league pitching.
No reason at all to believe Alcantara can't hit major-league pitching.
Yeah, everyone else was saying it'd be awesome if Hendricks kept it up, Fork was the only one saying he would most definitely keep it up because minor league stats.
The lesson here, obviously, is to never believe in anyone or anything.
Quote from: Eli on September 17, 2015, 01:33:47 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2015, 01:21:40 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 17, 2015, 01:20:06 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2015, 01:11:06 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 17, 2015, 01:09:07 PM
Quote from: PANK! on September 17, 2015, 12:59:52 PM
What a difference a year makes. That whole quote box is one hilarious bag 'o' wrong.
Quality Start Machine.
Peace offering: Sterling had him pegged from day one. Good on you, kid.
He sure did. And looking back, Fork seems to have been the only one really caught up believing in Hendricks.
Fork also gave us this in the thread:
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 13, 2014, 11:55:39 AM
Alcantara has been able to hit at each level, even if he might not get off to a rip-roaring start - same thing with Baez. There's no reaso ton believe either of these guys shouldn't both figure out big-league pitching.
No reason at all to believe Alcantara can't hit major-league pitching.
Yeah, everyone else was saying it'd be awesome if Hendricks kept it up, Fork was the only one saying he would most definitely keep it up because minor league stats.
The lesson here, obviously, is to never believe in anyone or anything.
No joke, until you bumped that post I had completely forgotten Mendy was ever a thing. How quickly we move on.
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2015, 01:11:06 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 17, 2015, 01:09:07 PM
Quote from: PANK! on September 17, 2015, 12:59:52 PM
What a difference a year makes. That whole quote box is one hilarious bag 'o' wrong.
Quality Start Machine.
Peace offering: Sterling had him pegged from day one. Good on you, kid.
Accepted. I proudly stand on my record of hating Kyle Hendricks. Let's all enjoy the Cubs being a good team, finally, and start blocking time in our schedules for the post-World Series shirtless hug exchanges.
And I had also stopped checking Mendy's stats a long time ago. RIP.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 17, 2015, 01:14:27 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2015, 12:56:44 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 17, 2015, 12:47:47 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 13, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 13, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 13, 2014, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2014, 08:36:30 AM
If this kid can give us Randy Well's first two years as a #4 or #5 on a good team (with Arrieta and Lester #1 and 2, natch), I'd take that in a goddamn minute.
More like Randy Welp, AMIRITE?
Anyway, Hendricks' FIP (Look at me I read Grantland) is 3.30 and it's been low throughout his minor league career. I say he can pitch at this level. Until he can't.
Right. Even if he ERA rises over time to meet that FIP I'll take a mid-3 ERA any fifth day. Gimme more Kyle. Gimme more.
There's been no indication at any point in his career to indicate that he can't continue getting motherfuckers out. Even as he makes his second round through the NL, he's shown himself to be a smart enough pitcher to be able to adjust to hitters as they adjust to him.
He'll just be a Quality Start Machine for years.
In Fork's defense he makes hilariously optimistic forecasts about every prospect to wear a Cubs uniform, so he's bound to be wrong sometimes.
Hey, even I pumped the brakes on the "next Maddux" talk that was floating around.
I'd say he's more like the next Geremi Gonzalez. Lightning can strike twice, right?
Well, if they end up facing the Royals in the World Series, I guess they can try Kyle.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 29, 2015, 12:26:49 AM
Well, if they end up facing the Royals in the World Series, I guess they can try Kyle.
He's looked pretty solid his last two times out. Would expect he's pitched himself well ahead of Hammel for the third spot in the playoff rotation, although I'm sure Joe will tell the Bullpen Hydra to stay loose and be ready at the very first sign of trouble.
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2015, 07:41:14 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 29, 2015, 12:26:49 AM
Well, if they end up facing the Royals in the World Series, I guess they can try Kyle.
He's looked pretty solid his last two times out. Would expect he's pitched himself well ahead of Hammel for the third spot in the playoff rotation, although I'm sure Joe will tell the Bullpen Hydra to stay loose and be ready at the very first sign of trouble.
He had a couple 20-pitch innings before he finally settled down, but any time you get 6 scoreless innings from anybody not named Lester or Arrieta it's a blessing.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 29, 2015, 08:26:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2015, 07:41:14 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 29, 2015, 12:26:49 AM
Well, if they end up facing the Royals in the World Series, I guess they can try Kyle.
He's looked pretty solid his last two times out. Would expect he's pitched himself well ahead of Hammel for the third spot in the playoff rotation, although I'm sure Joe will tell the Bullpen Hydra to stay loose and be ready at the very first sign of trouble.
He had a couple 20-pitch innings before he finally settled down, but any time you get 6 scoreless innings from anybody not named Lester or Arrieta it's a blessing.
Some of that was a kind of inconsistent strike zone, some of that looked to me like Kyle deciding he'd rather walk a guy than give him something to hit. He will live and die nibbling, but if he has that change up that he's had his last two times out he can strike out enough guys to get away with it for 5-6 innings.
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2015, 08:31:27 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 29, 2015, 08:26:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2015, 07:41:14 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 29, 2015, 12:26:49 AM
Well, if they end up facing the Royals in the World Series, I guess they can try Kyle.
He's looked pretty solid his last two times out. Would expect he's pitched himself well ahead of Hammel for the third spot in the playoff rotation, although I'm sure Joe will tell the Bullpen Hydra to stay loose and be ready at the very first sign of trouble.
He had a couple 20-pitch innings before he finally settled down, but any time you get 6 scoreless innings from anybody not named Lester or Arrieta it's a blessing.
Some of that was a kind of inconsistent strike zone, some of that looked to me like Kyle deciding he'd rather walk a guy than give him something to hit. He will live and die nibbling, but if he has that change up that he's had his last two times out he can strike out enough guys to get away with it for 5-6 innings.
All it's gonna take is one of his diarrhea faced outings in a Real Playoff Game to make us so mad that more than one of us will die of a stroke on the SPOT.
Think real long and hard about this Joe.
Quote from: Slaky on September 29, 2015, 10:57:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2015, 08:31:27 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 29, 2015, 08:26:22 AM
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Well, if they end up facing the Royals in the World Series, I guess they can try Kyle.
He's looked pretty solid his last two times out. Would expect he's pitched himself well ahead of Hammel for the third spot in the playoff rotation, although I'm sure Joe will tell the Bullpen Hydra to stay loose and be ready at the very first sign of trouble.
He had a couple 20-pitch innings before he finally settled down, but any time you get 6 scoreless innings from anybody not named Lester or Arrieta it's a blessing.
Some of that was a kind of inconsistent strike zone, some of that looked to me like Kyle deciding he'd rather walk a guy than give him something to hit. He will live and die nibbling, but if he has that change up that he's had his last two times out he can strike out enough guys to get away with it for 5-6 innings.
All it's gonna take is one of his diarrhea faced outings in a Real Playoff Game to make us so mad that more than one of us will die of a stroke on the SPOT.
Think real long and hard about this Joe.
Well the alternative is Hammel, who has been worse than Kyle in the second half and unlike Kyle, who usually falls apart slowly and can usually get through one or two turns through the order without a total pants-shitting, Hammel tends to shit the bed right off the bat. If Joe starts Hendricks and goes to the bullpen the second he gets himself in trouble they're probably in better shape than if they started Hammel and he puts them in a whole before the national anthem's even over.
I don't like either option but David Price ain't walking through that door yet. Arrieta/Lester/Hendricks, and if they need a fourth starter go with the Wood/Cahill/Richard monster.
Jon and Jake and pray for a quake.
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2015, 11:00:38 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 29, 2015, 10:57:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2015, 08:31:27 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 29, 2015, 08:26:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2015, 07:41:14 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 29, 2015, 12:26:49 AM
Well, if they end up facing the Royals in the World Series, I guess they can try Kyle.
He's looked pretty solid his last two times out. Would expect he's pitched himself well ahead of Hammel for the third spot in the playoff rotation, although I'm sure Joe will tell the Bullpen Hydra to stay loose and be ready at the very first sign of trouble.
He had a couple 20-pitch innings before he finally settled down, but any time you get 6 scoreless innings from anybody not named Lester or Arrieta it's a blessing.
Some of that was a kind of inconsistent strike zone, some of that looked to me like Kyle deciding he'd rather walk a guy than give him something to hit. He will live and die nibbling, but if he has that change up that he's had his last two times out he can strike out enough guys to get away with it for 5-6 innings.
All it's gonna take is one of his diarrhea faced outings in a Real Playoff Game to make us so mad that more than one of us will die of a stroke on the SPOT.
Think real long and hard about this Joe.
Well the alternative is Hammel, who has been worse than Kyle in the second half and unlike Kyle, who usually falls apart slowly and can usually get through one or two turns through the order without a total pants-shitting, Hammel tends to shit the bed right off the bat. If Joe starts Hendricks and goes to the bullpen the second he gets himself in trouble they're probably in better shape than if they started Hammel and he puts them in a whole before the national anthem's even over.
I don't like either option but David Price ain't walking through that door yet. Arrieta/Lester/Hendricks, and if they need a fourth starter go with the Wood/Cahill/Richard monster.
The ...
whole whole?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 29, 2015, 11:21:05 AM
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Quote from: Slaky on September 29, 2015, 10:57:34 AM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 29, 2015, 08:26:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2015, 07:41:14 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 29, 2015, 12:26:49 AM
Well, if they end up facing the Royals in the World Series, I guess they can try Kyle.
He's looked pretty solid his last two times out. Would expect he's pitched himself well ahead of Hammel for the third spot in the playoff rotation, although I'm sure Joe will tell the Bullpen Hydra to stay loose and be ready at the very first sign of trouble.
He had a couple 20-pitch innings before he finally settled down, but any time you get 6 scoreless innings from anybody not named Lester or Arrieta it's a blessing.
Some of that was a kind of inconsistent strike zone, some of that looked to me like Kyle deciding he'd rather walk a guy than give him something to hit. He will live and die nibbling, but if he has that change up that he's had his last two times out he can strike out enough guys to get away with it for 5-6 innings.
All it's gonna take is one of his diarrhea faced outings in a Real Playoff Game to make us so mad that more than one of us will die of a stroke on the SPOT.
Think real long and hard about this Joe.
Well the alternative is Hammel, who has been worse than Kyle in the second half and unlike Kyle, who usually falls apart slowly and can usually get through one or two turns through the order without a total pants-shitting, Hammel tends to shit the bed right off the bat. If Joe starts Hendricks and goes to the bullpen the second he gets himself in trouble they're probably in better shape than if they started Hammel and he puts them in a whole before the national anthem's even over.
I don't like either option but David Price ain't walking through that door yet. Arrieta/Lester/Hendricks, and if they need a fourth starter go with the Wood/Cahill/Richard monster.
The ... whole whole?
All of it, yes.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 29, 2015, 11:21:05 AM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 29, 2015, 08:26:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2015, 07:41:14 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 29, 2015, 12:26:49 AM
Well, if they end up facing the Royals in the World Series, I guess they can try Kyle.
He's looked pretty solid his last two times out. Would expect he's pitched himself well ahead of Hammel for the third spot in the playoff rotation, although I'm sure Joe will tell the Bullpen Hydra to stay loose and be ready at the very first sign of trouble.
He had a couple 20-pitch innings before he finally settled down, but any time you get 6 scoreless innings from anybody not named Lester or Arrieta it's a blessing.
Some of that was a kind of inconsistent strike zone, some of that looked to me like Kyle deciding he'd rather walk a guy than give him something to hit. He will live and die nibbling, but if he has that change up that he's had his last two times out he can strike out enough guys to get away with it for 5-6 innings.
All it's gonna take is one of his diarrhea faced outings in a Real Playoff Game to make us so mad that more than one of us will die of a stroke on the SPOT.
Think real long and hard about this Joe.
Well the alternative is Hammel, who has been worse than Kyle in the second half and unlike Kyle, who usually falls apart slowly and can usually get through one or two turns through the order without a total pants-shitting, Hammel tends to shit the bed right off the bat. If Joe starts Hendricks and goes to the bullpen the second he gets himself in trouble they're probably in better shape than if they started Hammel and he puts them in a whole before the national anthem's even over.
I don't like either option but David Price ain't walking through that door yet. Arrieta/Lester/Hendricks, and if they need a fourth starter go with the Wood/Cahill/Richard monster.
The ... whole whole?
Stop being an asswhole.
Quote from: PANK! on September 29, 2015, 11:49:15 AM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 29, 2015, 08:26:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2015, 07:41:14 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 29, 2015, 12:26:49 AM
Well, if they end up facing the Royals in the World Series, I guess they can try Kyle.
He's looked pretty solid his last two times out. Would expect he's pitched himself well ahead of Hammel for the third spot in the playoff rotation, although I'm sure Joe will tell the Bullpen Hydra to stay loose and be ready at the very first sign of trouble.
He had a couple 20-pitch innings before he finally settled down, but any time you get 6 scoreless innings from anybody not named Lester or Arrieta it's a blessing.
Some of that was a kind of inconsistent strike zone, some of that looked to me like Kyle deciding he'd rather walk a guy than give him something to hit. He will live and die nibbling, but if he has that change up that he's had his last two times out he can strike out enough guys to get away with it for 5-6 innings.
All it's gonna take is one of his diarrhea faced outings in a Real Playoff Game to make us so mad that more than one of us will die of a stroke on the SPOT.
Think real long and hard about this Joe.
Well the alternative is Hammel, who has been worse than Kyle in the second half and unlike Kyle, who usually falls apart slowly and can usually get through one or two turns through the order without a total pants-shitting, Hammel tends to shit the bed right off the bat. If Joe starts Hendricks and goes to the bullpen the second he gets himself in trouble they're probably in better shape than if they started Hammel and he puts them in a whole before the national anthem's even over.
I don't like either option but David Price ain't walking through that door yet. Arrieta/Lester/Hendricks, and if they need a fourth starter go with the Wood/Cahill/Richard monster.
The ... whole whole?
Stop being an asswhole.
Wholey cow
DPD.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 29, 2015, 11:03:05 AM
Jon and Jake and pray for a quake.
How long you been sitting on that one, Shecky?
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-cubs-have-a-3-starter/ Fangraphs once again reiterates that Kyle Hendricks is pretty good and I'm forced to once again question my faith in advanced statistics, although they do show that Hendricks appears to have altered his repertoire and pitch usage lately and is using his cutter less.
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2015, 01:15:22 PM
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-cubs-have-a-3-starter/ Fangraphs once again reiterates that Kyle Hendricks is pretty good and I'm forced to once again question my faith in advanced statistics, although they do show that Hendricks appears to have altered his repertoire and pitch usage lately and is using his cutter less.
You know what guys, maybe Joe Morgan was right
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DPD. Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 29, 2015, 11:03:05 AM
Jon and Jake and pray for a quake.
How long you been sitting on that one, Shecky?
1989?
Man, first fucking San Francisco breaks my 13-year-old heart by whipping the Cubs, then steals all my Hurricane Hugo sympathy by getting an earthquake? Fuck that place.
Please be like Greg on Saturday
Quote from: Yeti on October 08, 2015, 03:44:25 PM
Please be like Greg on Saturday
I'm thinking one time through the lineup unless he's lights out, right?
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Please be like Greg on Saturday
I'm thinking one time through the lineup unless he's lights out, right?
If the Cubs win Game 1 behind Lester, they'll be playing with a little bit of house money so we can stomach what Kyle may have to offer.
If they lose Game 1, god help us all...
Somehow, Kyle has only faced the Cardinals once this year, way back in May. Given how teams tend to do better the more they see him, and given his recent success, I think he just may bullshit his way through that lineup for 5-6 innings.
Quote from: SKO on October 08, 2015, 04:06:08 PM
Somehow, Kyle has only faced the Cardinals once this year, way back in May. Given how teams tend to do better the more they see him, and given his recent success, I think he just may bullshit his way through that lineup for 5-6 innings.
I don't think there's any way he goes more than twice through that order.
Quote from: Oleg on October 08, 2015, 04:07:02 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 08, 2015, 04:06:08 PM
Somehow, Kyle has only faced the Cardinals once this year, way back in May. Given how teams tend to do better the more they see him, and given his recent success, I think he just may bullshit his way through that lineup for 5-6 innings.
I don't think there's any way he goes more than twice through that order.
Probably not, nor should he with guys like Richard and Cahill available (who dominated the Cards when Maddon went bullpen game against them a few weeks ago), but I think there's reason to hope he can be effective those two times.
Fuck it. Kyle tosses 6 innings of 1 run ball. IT'S GONNA HAI.
Quote from: SKO on October 08, 2015, 04:10:26 PM
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Quote from: SKO on October 08, 2015, 04:06:08 PM
Somehow, Kyle has only faced the Cardinals once this year, way back in May. Given how teams tend to do better the more they see him, and given his recent success, I think he just may bullshit his way through that lineup for 5-6 innings.
I don't think there's any way he goes more than twice through that order.
Probably not, nor should he with guys like Richard and Cahill available (who dominated the Cards when Maddon went bullpen game against them a few weeks ago), but I think there's reason to hope he can be effective those two times.
I am sure this is a dumb questions, but couldn't they go to Hammel out of the pen as well?
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Quote from: SKO on October 08, 2015, 04:06:08 PM
Somehow, Kyle has only faced the Cardinals once this year, way back in May. Given how teams tend to do better the more they see him, and given his recent success, I think he just may bullshit his way through that lineup for 5-6 innings.
I don't think there's any way he goes more than twice through that order.
Probably not, nor should he with guys like Richard and Cahill available (who dominated the Cards when Maddon went bullpen game against them a few weeks ago), but I think there's reason to hope he can be effective those two times.
I am sure this is a dumb questions, but couldn't they go to Hammel out of the pen as well?
Probably but considering his problem this year has been shitting himself in his first inning of work before settling in that's probably not your best bet for a reliever.
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Quote from: SKO on October 08, 2015, 04:06:08 PM
Somehow, Kyle has only faced the Cardinals once this year, way back in May. Given how teams tend to do better the more they see him, and given his recent success, I think he just may bullshit his way through that lineup for 5-6 innings.
I don't think there's any way he goes more than twice through that order.
Probably not, nor should he with guys like Richard and Cahill available (who dominated the Cards when Maddon went bullpen game against them a few weeks ago), but I think there's reason to hope he can be effective those two times.
I am sure this is a dumb questions, but couldn't they go to Hammel out of the pen as well?
Probably but considering his problem this year has been shitting himself in his first inning of work before settling in that's probably not your best bet for a reliever.
Also wouldn't Hammel be most likely to start an if necessary Game 4?
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Quote from: SKO on October 08, 2015, 04:06:08 PM
Somehow, Kyle has only faced the Cardinals once this year, way back in May. Given how teams tend to do better the more they see him, and given his recent success, I think he just may bullshit his way through that lineup for 5-6 innings.
I don't think there's any way he goes more than twice through that order.
Probably not, nor should he with guys like Richard and Cahill available (who dominated the Cards when Maddon went bullpen game against them a few weeks ago), but I think there's reason to hope he can be effective those two times.
I am sure this is a dumb questions, but couldn't they go to Hammel out of the pen as well?
Probably but considering his problem this year has been shitting himself in his first inning of work before settling in that's probably not your best bet for a reliever.
Also wouldn't Hammel be most likely to start an if necessary Game 4?
Yeah they're still going to need a Game 4 starter that can't be Jake or Jon. Hammel's redemption could come with a series-clinching win in front of the home folk.
The idea of a "Bullpen Day" has faded thanks to Hendricks' final 2 starts. Seems like a stupid idea in retrospect anyway.
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Somehow, Kyle has only faced the Cardinals once this year, way back in May. Given how teams tend to do better the more they see him, and given his recent success, I think he just may bullshit his way through that lineup for 5-6 innings.
I don't think there's any way he goes more than twice through that order.
Probably not, nor should he with guys like Richard and Cahill available (who dominated the Cards when Maddon went bullpen game against them a few weeks ago), but I think there's reason to hope he can be effective those two times.
I am sure this is a dumb questions, but couldn't they go to Hammel out of the pen as well?
Probably but considering his problem this year has been shitting himself in his first inning of work before settling in that's probably not your best bet for a reliever.
Also wouldn't Hammel be most likely to start an if necessary Game 4?
Yeah they're still going to need a Game 4 starter that can't be Jake or Jon. Hammel's redemption could come with a series-clinching win in front of the home folk.
The idea of a "Bullpen Day" has faded thanks to Hendricks' final 2 starts. Seems like a stupid idea in retrospect anyway.
Gimme Lester on 3 days rest for Game 4.
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Somehow, Kyle has only faced the Cardinals once this year, way back in May. Given how teams tend to do better the more they see him, and given his recent success, I think he just may bullshit his way through that lineup for 5-6 innings.
I don't think there's any way he goes more than twice through that order.
Probably not, nor should he with guys like Richard and Cahill available (who dominated the Cards when Maddon went bullpen game against them a few weeks ago), but I think there's reason to hope he can be effective those two times.
I am sure this is a dumb questions, but couldn't they go to Hammel out of the pen as well?
Probably but considering his problem this year has been shitting himself in his first inning of work before settling in that's probably not your best bet for a reliever.
Also wouldn't Hammel be most likely to start an if necessary Game 4?
Yeah they're still going to need a Game 4 starter that can't be Jake or Jon. Hammel's redemption could come with a series-clinching win in front of the home folk.
The idea of a "Bullpen Day" has faded thanks to Hendricks' final 2 starts. Seems like a stupid idea in retrospect anyway.
Gimme Lester on 3 days rest for Game 4.
And then if Jon doesn't win both games Hammel for Game 5?
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Somehow, Kyle has only faced the Cardinals once this year, way back in May. Given how teams tend to do better the more they see him, and given his recent success, I think he just may bullshit his way through that lineup for 5-6 innings.
I don't think there's any way he goes more than twice through that order.
Probably not, nor should he with guys like Richard and Cahill available (who dominated the Cards when Maddon went bullpen game against them a few weeks ago), but I think there's reason to hope he can be effective those two times.
I am sure this is a dumb questions, but couldn't they go to Hammel out of the pen as well?
Probably but considering his problem this year has been shitting himself in his first inning of work before settling in that's probably not your best bet for a reliever.
Also wouldn't Hammel be most likely to start an if necessary Game 4?
Yeah they're still going to need a Game 4 starter that can't be Jake or Jon. Hammel's redemption could come with a series-clinching win in front of the home folk.
The idea of a "Bullpen Day" has faded thanks to Hendricks' final 2 starts. Seems like a stupid idea in retrospect anyway.
Gimme Lester on 3 days rest for Game 4.
And then if Jon doesn't win both games Hammel for Game 5?
Game 1: Lester
Game 2: Hendricks
Game 3: Arrieta (4 days rest)
Game 4: Lester (3 days rest)
Game 5: Hendricks (3 days rest)
Can we just do that?
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Somehow, Kyle has only faced the Cardinals once this year, way back in May. Given how teams tend to do better the more they see him, and given his recent success, I think he just may bullshit his way through that lineup for 5-6 innings.
I don't think there's any way he goes more than twice through that order.
Probably not, nor should he with guys like Richard and Cahill available (who dominated the Cards when Maddon went bullpen game against them a few weeks ago), but I think there's reason to hope he can be effective those two times.
I am sure this is a dumb questions, but couldn't they go to Hammel out of the pen as well?
Probably but considering his problem this year has been shitting himself in his first inning of work before settling in that's probably not your best bet for a reliever.
Also wouldn't Hammel be most likely to start an if necessary Game 4?
Yeah they're still going to need a Game 4 starter that can't be Jake or Jon. Hammel's redemption could come with a series-clinching win in front of the home folk.
The idea of a "Bullpen Day" has faded thanks to Hendricks' final 2 starts. Seems like a stupid idea in retrospect anyway.
Gimme Lester on 3 days rest for Game 4.
And then if Jon doesn't win both games Hammel for Game 5?
Game 1: Lester
Game 2: Hendricks
Game 3: Arrieta (4 days rest)
Game 4: Lester (3 days rest)
Game 5: Hendricks (3 days rest)
Can we just do that?
Jake gets up from his seat on the plane....
We are winning this series in 3.
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Somehow, Kyle has only faced the Cardinals once this year, way back in May. Given how teams tend to do better the more they see him, and given his recent success, I think he just may bullshit his way through that lineup for 5-6 innings.
I don't think there's any way he goes more than twice through that order.
Probably not, nor should he with guys like Richard and Cahill available (who dominated the Cards when Maddon went bullpen game against them a few weeks ago), but I think there's reason to hope he can be effective those two times.
I am sure this is a dumb questions, but couldn't they go to Hammel out of the pen as well?
Probably but considering his problem this year has been shitting himself in his first inning of work before settling in that's probably not your best bet for a reliever.
Also wouldn't Hammel be most likely to start an if necessary Game 4?
Yeah they're still going to need a Game 4 starter that can't be Jake or Jon. Hammel's redemption could come with a series-clinching win in front of the home folk.
The idea of a "Bullpen Day" has faded thanks to Hendricks' final 2 starts. Seems like a stupid idea in retrospect anyway.
Gimme Lester on 3 days rest for Game 4.
And then if Jon doesn't win both games Hammel for Game 5?
Game 1: Lester
Game 2: Hendricks
Game 3: Arrieta (4 days rest)
Game 4: Lester (3 days rest)
Game 5: Hendricks (3 days rest)
Can we just do that?
I think I would honestly rather see the bullpen monster than have to worry about Hendricks pitching twice, especially when that second time would be Game 5.
Please, God, may it never come to Hendricks in Game 5.
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Somehow, Kyle has only faced the Cardinals once this year, way back in May. Given how teams tend to do better the more they see him, and given his recent success, I think he just may bullshit his way through that lineup for 5-6 innings.
I don't think there's any way he goes more than twice through that order.
Probably not, nor should he with guys like Richard and Cahill available (who dominated the Cards when Maddon went bullpen game against them a few weeks ago), but I think there's reason to hope he can be effective those two times.
I am sure this is a dumb questions, but couldn't they go to Hammel out of the pen as well?
Probably but considering his problem this year has been shitting himself in his first inning of work before settling in that's probably not your best bet for a reliever.
Also wouldn't Hammel be most likely to start an if necessary Game 4?
Yeah they're still going to need a Game 4 starter that can't be Jake or Jon. Hammel's redemption could come with a series-clinching win in front of the home folk.
The idea of a "Bullpen Day" has faded thanks to Hendricks' final 2 starts. Seems like a stupid idea in retrospect anyway.
Gimme Lester on 3 days rest for Game 4.
And then if Jon doesn't win both games Hammel for Game 5?
Game 1: Lester
Game 2: Hendricks
Game 3: Arrieta (4 days rest)
Game 4: Lester (3 days rest)
Game 5: Hendricks (3 days rest)
Can we just do that?
I think I would honestly rather see the bullpen monster than have to worry about Hendricks pitching twice, especially when that second time would be Game 5.
Please, God, may it never come to Hendricks in Game 5.
On 3 days rest.
Pen's off his rocker.
Assuming they go to the limit in each series:
NLDS
Friday: Lester
Saturday: Hendricks
Monday: Arrieta (four days rest)
Tuesday: Hammel
Thursday (10-15): Lester (six days rest)
Lester 2 starts, Arrieta 1, Hammel/Haren/Hendricks 2
NLCS
Saturday (10-17): Arrieta (four days rest)
Sunday (10-18): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Tuesday (10-20): Lester (four days rest)
Wednesday (10-21): Arrieta (three days rest)
Thursday (10-22): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Saturday (10-24): Lester (three days rest)
Sunday (10-25): Arrieta (three days rest)
Arrieta 3 starts, Lester 2, Hammel/Hendricks/Haren 2
World Series
Tuesday (10-27): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Wednesday (10-28): Lester (three days rest)
Friday (10-30): Arrieta (four days rest)
Saturday (10-31): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Sunday (11-1): Lester (three days rest)
Tuesday (11-3): Arrieta (three days rest
Wednesday (11-4): ALL HANDS ON DECK (Hendricks/Hammel/Haren)
Arrieta 2 starts, Lester 2, Hendricks/Hammel/Haren 3
That's 6 starts for Jake, 6 for Lester, and 7 for the H-gang.
Let's say they beat the Cards in four or sweep...
NLDS
Friday: Lester
Saturday: Hendricks
Monday: Arrieta (four days rest)
Tuesday: Hammel**
Lester 1 start, Arrieta 1, Hammel/Haren/Hendricks 2
** Won't affect rotation
NLCS
Saturday (10-17): Arrieta (four days rest)
Sunday (10-18): Lester (8 days rest)
Tuesday (10-20): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Wednesday (10-21): Arrieta (three days rest)
Thursday (10-22): Lester (three days rest)
Saturday (10-24): Hendricks Hammel/Haren
Sunday (10-25): Arrieta (three days rest)
Arrieta 3 starts, Lester 2, Hammel/Hendricks/Haren 2
World Series
Tuesday (10-27): Lester (four days rest)
Wednesday (10-28): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Friday (10-30): Arrieta (four days rest)
Saturday (10-31): Lester (three days rest)
Sunday (11-1): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Tuesday (11-3): Arrieta (three days rest)
Wednesday (11-4): Lester (three days rest)
Arrieta 2 starts, Lester 3, Hendricks/Hammel/Haren 2
That's 6 starts for Jake, 6 for Lester, and 7 for the H-gang.
TPD: The moral of the story is, sweep the Satanic Fowl, and if they don't, Jason Hammel, you're dead to me if you don't end it in Game 4.
If they can avoid having to trot Lester out 3 times in the NLDS, they can have Arrieta and Lester make 5 of 7 starts in the NLCS and World Series.
Also, in scenario 1, Arrieta and Lester pitch on 3 days rest three times. In the second scenario, they each pitch on three days rest three times, but Lester gets a second 8-day taper and he gets to pitch 1 extra time.
It says here: Cubs in three, Cubs over New York in four, Cubs over Texas in four, so all this conjecture is moot because
NLDS
Friday: Lester
Saturday: Hendricks
Monday: Arrieta (four days rest)
Lester 1 start, Arrieta 1, Hammel/Haren/Hendricks 1
NLCS
Saturday (10-17): Arrieta (four days rest)
Sunday (10-18): Lester (8 days rest)
Tuesday (10-20): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Wednesday (10-21): Arrieta (three days rest)
Arrieta 2 starts, Lester 1, Hammel/Hendricks/Haren 1
World Series
Tuesday (10-27): Arrieta (five days rest)
Wednesday (10-28): Lester (nine days rest)
Friday (10-30): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Saturday (10-31): Arrieta (three days rest)
Arrieta 2 starts, Lester 1, Hendricks/Hammel/Haren 1
That's 5 starts for Jake, 3 for Lester, and 3 for the H-gang.
Kyle's gonna Kyle. To the bullpen monster we go.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 10, 2015, 06:17:13 PM
Kyle's gonna Kyle. To the bullpen monster we go.
Not a Machine production, obviously, but I'll take those first 14 outs.
Quote from: PANK! on October 10, 2015, 06:23:39 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 10, 2015, 06:17:13 PM
Kyle's gonna Kyle. To the bullpen monster we go.
Not a Machine production, obviously, but I'll take those first 14 outs.
That felt like one of those games where Cutler goes for 300 yards with 2 picks and 2 tds and both sides have a point. He was legitimately great outside of three pitches! ....that all left the yard
Quote from: SKO on October 10, 2015, 08:11:48 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 10, 2015, 06:23:39 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 10, 2015, 06:17:13 PM
Kyle's gonna Kyle. To the bullpen monster we go.
Not a Machine production, obviously, but I'll take those first 14 outs.
That felt like one of those games where Cutler goes for 300 yards with 2 picks and 2 tds and both sides have a point. He was legitimately great outside of three pitches! ....that all left the yard
I feel like this was the 50th percentile Kyle Hendricks start. Not bad. Not really good, either.
Quote from: SKO on October 10, 2015, 08:11:48 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 10, 2015, 06:23:39 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 10, 2015, 06:17:13 PM
Kyle's gonna Kyle. To the bullpen monster we go.
Not a Machine production, obviously, but I'll take those first 14 outs.
That felt like one of those games where Cutler goes for 300 yards with 2 picks and 2 tds and both sides have a point. He was legitimately great outside of three pitches! ....that all left the yard
He pitched well enough mostly, and his bad throws will help bankrupt McNally's. Win win.
Quote from: thehawk on October 11, 2015, 09:34:50 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 10, 2015, 08:11:48 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 10, 2015, 06:23:39 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 10, 2015, 06:17:13 PM
Kyle's gonna Kyle. To the bullpen monster we go.
Not a Machine production, obviously, but I'll take those first 14 outs.
That felt like one of those games where Cutler goes for 300 yards with 2 picks and 2 tds and both sides have a point. He was legitimately great outside of three pitches! ....that all left the yard
He pitched well enough mostly, and his bad throws will help bankrupt McNally's. Win win.
Fortunately the Cubs outscored his mistakes.
Quote from: Eli on October 10, 2015, 08:30:16 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 10, 2015, 08:11:48 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 10, 2015, 06:23:39 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 10, 2015, 06:17:13 PM
Kyle's gonna Kyle. To the bullpen monster we go.
Not a Machine production, obviously, but I'll take those first 14 outs.
That felt like one of those games where Cutler goes for 300 yards with 2 picks and 2 tds and both sides have a point. He was legitimately great outside of three pitches! ....that all left the yard
I feel like this was the 50th percentile Kyle Hendricks start. Not bad. Not really good, either.
It was definitely interesting. He was in command after the the first batter up to his second-to-last batter. He retired 14 of 15 batters during that span. Nice to see him go 3 up, 3 down following both innings in which the Cubs scored. 7 K's and no walks. Pretty damn solid so long as your expectations are adjusted accordingly.
Quote from: PANK! on October 11, 2015, 11:48:40 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 10, 2015, 08:30:16 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 10, 2015, 08:11:48 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 10, 2015, 06:23:39 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 10, 2015, 06:17:13 PM
Kyle's gonna Kyle. To the bullpen monster we go.
Not a Machine production, obviously, but I'll take those first 14 outs.
That felt like one of those games where Cutler goes for 300 yards with 2 picks and 2 tds and both sides have a point. He was legitimately great outside of three pitches! ....that all left the yard
I feel like this was the 50th percentile Kyle Hendricks start. Not bad. Not really good, either.
It was definitely interesting. He was in command after the the first batter up to his second-to-last batter. He retired 14 of 15 batters during that span. Nice to see him go 3 up, 3 down following both innings in which the Cubs scored. 7 K's and no walks. Pretty damn solid so long as your expectations are adjusted accordingly.
Three bad pitches. I'd be lying if I said I expected him to pitch better than he actually did.
Bump.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 09, 2016, 09:43:20 PM
Bump.
Not bad.
(actually quite good)
Do we start a Rondon thread?
That was balls.
Quote from: flannj on April 09, 2016, 09:56:00 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 09, 2016, 09:43:20 PM
Bump.
Not bad.
(actually quite good)
Do we start a Rondon thread?
That was balls.
Two runs every 6.2 IP would be quite acceptable; thank you, Kyle.
*glares*
Welp. I, for one, blame Median Desipio Chucklehead Quality Start Machine™.
It feels so petty to be annoyed by the 5th starter having a mediocre game on the road against a decent team, because if the Cubs worst problem is that Kyle Hendricks gets hit every third or fourth start, we have very little to be annoyed by.
But, well, I am petty, and I'm annoyed. Dammit, Kyle. I want this sweep.
I didn't even bother to follow this game. I am really good with 2 of 3 in that dump.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 20, 2016, 02:31:13 PM
I didn't even bother to follow this game. I am really good with 2 of 3 in that dump.
I mean I am very content with where the Cubs are, but I wanted to sweep the Cardinals in their stupid fetid little swamp and I am mildly annoyed that it is looking unlikely.
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 02:35:48 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 20, 2016, 02:31:13 PM
I didn't even bother to follow this game. I am really good with 2 of 3 in that dump.
I mean I am very content with where the Cubs are, but I wanted to sweep the Cardinals in their stupid fetid little swamp and I am mildly annoyed that it is looking unlikely.
They'll have a couple more shots at it. And at that point the separation in the standings will mean more than it does now. A sweep would be great for some Facebook Lolz but what are we gonna do, print t-shirts for an April road sweep?
Quote from: InternetApex on April 20, 2016, 03:09:04 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 02:35:48 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 20, 2016, 02:31:13 PM
I didn't even bother to follow this game. I am really good with 2 of 3 in that dump.
I mean I am very content with where the Cubs are, but I wanted to sweep the Cardinals in their stupid fetid little swamp and I am mildly annoyed that it is looking unlikely.
They'll have a couple more shots at it. And at that point the separation in the standings will mean more than it does now. A sweep would be great for some Facebook Lolz but what are we gonna do, print t-shirts for an April road sweep?
Well, not now we won't.
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 02:24:21 PM
It feels so petty to be annoyed by the 5th starter having a mediocre game on the road against a decent team, because if the Cubs worst problem is that Kyle Hendricks gets hit every third or fourth start, we have very little to be annoyed by.
But, well, I am petty, and I'm annoyed. Dammit, Kyle. I want this sweep.
If we're going to kick and scream over an April loss then I suggest you focus some rage on Tommy LaStella, the pedo-looking mofo who opened the floodgates by letting a well-struck-but-still-playable- ball clank off his glove. Damnit, son, Hendricks pitches to a good bit of contact as it is, PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION.
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 20, 2016, 03:09:04 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 02:35:48 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 20, 2016, 02:31:13 PM
I didn't even bother to follow this game. I am really good with 2 of 3 in that dump.
I mean I am very content with where the Cubs are, but I wanted to sweep the Cardinals in their stupid fetid little swamp and I am mildly annoyed that it is looking unlikely.
They'll have a couple more shots at it. And at that point the separation in the standings will mean more than it does now. A sweep would be great for some Facebook Lolz but what are we gonna do, print t-shirts for an April road sweep?
Well, not now we won't.
*packs up screen printing materials*
I mean, it's a dumb idea anyway, right?
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2016, 03:19:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 02:24:21 PM
It feels so petty to be annoyed by the 5th starter having a mediocre game on the road against a decent team, because if the Cubs worst problem is that Kyle Hendricks gets hit every third or fourth start, we have very little to be annoyed by.
But, well, I am petty, and I'm annoyed. Dammit, Kyle. I want this sweep.
If we're going to kick and scream over an April loss then I suggest you focus some rage on Tommy LaStella, the pedo-looking mofo who opened the floodgates by letting a well-struck-but-still-playable- ball clank off his glove. Damnit, son, Hendricks pitches to a good bit of contact as it is, PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION.
I mean I'm not kicking and screaming, period, but I'm entirely open to hating Tommy La Stella. If Lackey is going to stick it up the Cardinals asses he can't be the most hateable guy on this team, so we're taking applications.
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 03:28:23 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2016, 03:19:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 02:24:21 PM
It feels so petty to be annoyed by the 5th starter having a mediocre game on the road against a decent team, because if the Cubs worst problem is that Kyle Hendricks gets hit every third or fourth start, we have very little to be annoyed by.
But, well, I am petty, and I'm annoyed. Dammit, Kyle. I want this sweep.
If we're going to kick and scream over an April loss then I suggest you focus some rage on Tommy LaStella, the pedo-looking mofo who opened the floodgates by letting a well-struck-but-still-playable- ball clank off his glove. Damnit, son, Hendricks pitches to a good bit of contact as it is, PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION.
I mean I'm not kicking and screaming, period, but I'm entirely open to hating Tommy La Stella. If Lackey is going to stick it up the Cardinals asses he can't be the most hateable guy on this team, so we're taking applications.
I'd like to vote early and often for LaStella then.
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2016, 03:30:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 03:28:23 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2016, 03:19:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 02:24:21 PM
It feels so petty to be annoyed by the 5th starter having a mediocre game on the road against a decent team, because if the Cubs worst problem is that Kyle Hendricks gets hit every third or fourth start, we have very little to be annoyed by.
But, well, I am petty, and I'm annoyed. Dammit, Kyle. I want this sweep.
If we're going to kick and scream over an April loss then I suggest you focus some rage on Tommy LaStella, the pedo-looking mofo who opened the floodgates by letting a well-struck-but-still-playable- ball clank off his glove. Damnit, son, Hendricks pitches to a good bit of contact as it is, PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION.
I mean I'm not kicking and screaming, period, but I'm entirely open to hating Tommy La Stella. If Lackey is going to stick it up the Cardinals asses he can't be the most hateable guy on this team, so we're taking applications.
I'd like to vote early and often for LaStella then.
I'm not going to put any effort into hating Tommy LaStella. I'm not up to it.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 20, 2016, 03:19:53 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 20, 2016, 03:09:04 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 02:35:48 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 20, 2016, 02:31:13 PM
I didn't even bother to follow this game. I am really good with 2 of 3 in that dump.
I mean I am very content with where the Cubs are, but I wanted to sweep the Cardinals in their stupid fetid little swamp and I am mildly annoyed that it is looking unlikely.
They'll have a couple more shots at it. And at that point the separation in the standings will mean more than it does now. A sweep would be great for some Facebook Lolz but what are we gonna do, print t-shirts for an April road sweep?
Well, not now we won't.
*packs up screen printing materials*
I mean, it's a dumb idea anyway, right?
Let's print shirts for every series, like the Venture Bros does for each episode.
Quote from: CT III on April 20, 2016, 03:40:02 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 20, 2016, 03:19:53 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 20, 2016, 03:09:04 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 02:35:48 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 20, 2016, 02:31:13 PM
I didn't even bother to follow this game. I am really good with 2 of 3 in that dump.
I mean I am very content with where the Cubs are, but I wanted to sweep the Cardinals in their stupid fetid little swamp and I am mildly annoyed that it is looking unlikely.
They'll have a couple more shots at it. And at that point the separation in the standings will mean more than it does now. A sweep would be great for some Facebook Lolz but what are we gonna do, print t-shirts for an April road sweep?
Well, not now we won't.
*packs up screen printing materials*
I mean, it's a dumb idea anyway, right?
Let's print shirts for every series, like the Venture Bros does for each episode.
Cool. Rotating design assignments or Kurt does all of them?
Quote from: InternetApex on April 20, 2016, 03:31:29 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2016, 03:30:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 03:28:23 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2016, 03:19:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 02:24:21 PM
It feels so petty to be annoyed by the 5th starter having a mediocre game on the road against a decent team, because if the Cubs worst problem is that Kyle Hendricks gets hit every third or fourth start, we have very little to be annoyed by.
But, well, I am petty, and I'm annoyed. Dammit, Kyle. I want this sweep.
If we're going to kick and scream over an April loss then I suggest you focus some rage on Tommy LaStella, the pedo-looking mofo who opened the floodgates by letting a well-struck-but-still-playable- ball clank off his glove. Damnit, son, Hendricks pitches to a good bit of contact as it is, PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION.
I mean I'm not kicking and screaming, period, but I'm entirely open to hating Tommy La Stella. If Lackey is going to stick it up the Cardinals asses he can't be the most hateable guy on this team, so we're taking applications.
I'd like to vote early and often for LaStella then.
I'm not going to put any effort into hating Tommy LaStella. I'm not up to it.
Come on, we need your support. You've always been great at hating mediocre white guys.
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2016, 03:44:38 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 20, 2016, 03:31:29 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2016, 03:30:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 03:28:23 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2016, 03:19:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 02:24:21 PM
It feels so petty to be annoyed by the 5th starter having a mediocre game on the road against a decent team, because if the Cubs worst problem is that Kyle Hendricks gets hit every third or fourth start, we have very little to be annoyed by.
But, well, I am petty, and I'm annoyed. Dammit, Kyle. I want this sweep.
If we're going to kick and scream over an April loss then I suggest you focus some rage on Tommy LaStella, the pedo-looking mofo who opened the floodgates by letting a well-struck-but-still-playable- ball clank off his glove. Damnit, son, Hendricks pitches to a good bit of contact as it is, PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION.
I mean I'm not kicking and screaming, period, but I'm entirely open to hating Tommy La Stella. If Lackey is going to stick it up the Cardinals asses he can't be the most hateable guy on this team, so we're taking applications.
I'd like to vote early and often for LaStella then.
I'm not going to put any effort into hating Tommy LaStella. I'm not up to it.
Come on, we need you support. You've always been great at hating mediocre white guys.
#MakeHatingMediocreWhiteGuysGreatAgain
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 20, 2016, 03:46:35 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2016, 03:44:38 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 20, 2016, 03:31:29 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2016, 03:30:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 03:28:23 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2016, 03:19:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 02:24:21 PM
It feels so petty to be annoyed by the 5th starter having a mediocre game on the road against a decent team, because if the Cubs worst problem is that Kyle Hendricks gets hit every third or fourth start, we have very little to be annoyed by.
But, well, I am petty, and I'm annoyed. Dammit, Kyle. I want this sweep.
If we're going to kick and scream over an April loss then I suggest you focus some rage on Tommy LaStella, the pedo-looking mofo who opened the floodgates by letting a well-struck-but-still-playable- ball clank off his glove. Damnit, son, Hendricks pitches to a good bit of contact as it is, PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION.
I mean I'm not kicking and screaming, period, but I'm entirely open to hating Tommy La Stella. If Lackey is going to stick it up the Cardinals asses he can't be the most hateable guy on this team, so we're taking applications.
I'd like to vote early and often for LaStella then.
I'm not going to put any effort into hating Tommy LaStella. I'm not up to it.
Come on, we need you support. You've always been great at hating mediocre white guys.
#MakeHatingMediocreWhiteGuysGreatAgain
Those mediocre white guys were starters on putrid teams. It was a different time, a different Pex. I think what we'd need to get me onto a LaStella hatewagon would be an injury to one of the top line guys forcing him into regular action. His mere presence on the field would remind me that so and so was out and that our high hopes were getting dashed by this insufferable slapdick, fuckface, asshole.
I really don't want ANY of that shit to happen. I'm gonna chill.
I have trouble thinking about LaStella for more than a few seconds before forgetting why I was thinking of him. Otherwise, I would be proud to hate him just for the hell of it.
Quote from: Bort on April 20, 2016, 05:05:40 PM
I have trouble thinking about LaStella for more than a few seconds before forgetting why I was thinking of him. Otherwise, I would be proud to hate him just for the hell of it.
Glad to have you on board, bud.
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2016, 05:08:23 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 20, 2016, 05:05:40 PM
I have trouble thinking about LaStella for more than a few seconds before forgetting why I was thinking of him. Otherwise, I would be proud to hate him just for the hell of it.
Glad to have you on board, bud.
Thanks?
Time for Tommy La Stella to determine whether or not I'm going to hate him forever with this AB.
Update: HATE
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 20, 2016, 06:22:43 PM
Time for Tommy La Stella to determine whether or not I'm going to hate him forever with this AB.
Update: HATE
I hate La Stella just by virtue of how much I think the Four Seasons suck.
Who is Tommy La Stella?
Quote from: InternetApex on April 20, 2016, 03:31:29 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2016, 03:30:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 03:28:23 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2016, 03:19:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 02:24:21 PM
It feels so petty to be annoyed by the 5th starter having a mediocre game on the road against a decent team, because if the Cubs worst problem is that Kyle Hendricks gets hit every third or fourth start, we have very little to be annoyed by.
But, well, I am petty, and I'm annoyed. Dammit, Kyle. I want this sweep.
If we're going to kick and scream over an April loss then I suggest you focus some rage on Tommy LaStella, the pedo-looking mofo who opened the floodgates by letting a well-struck-but-still-playable- ball clank off his glove. Damnit, son, Hendricks pitches to a good bit of contact as it is, PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION.
I mean I'm not kicking and screaming, period, but I'm entirely open to hating Tommy La Stella. If Lackey is going to stick it up the Cardinals asses he can't be the most hateable guy on this team, so we're taking applications.
I'd like to vote early and often for LaStella then.
I'm not going to put any effort into hating Tommy LaStella. I'm not up to it.
Me neither. Adam Warren seemed like a good candidate but then I saw his change up.
Quote from: Slaky on April 21, 2016, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 20, 2016, 03:31:29 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2016, 03:30:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 03:28:23 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2016, 03:19:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 02:24:21 PM
It feels so petty to be annoyed by the 5th starter having a mediocre game on the road against a decent team, because if the Cubs worst problem is that Kyle Hendricks gets hit every third or fourth start, we have very little to be annoyed by.
But, well, I am petty, and I'm annoyed. Dammit, Kyle. I want this sweep.
If we're going to kick and scream over an April loss then I suggest you focus some rage on Tommy LaStella, the pedo-looking mofo who opened the floodgates by letting a well-struck-but-still-playable- ball clank off his glove. Damnit, son, Hendricks pitches to a good bit of contact as it is, PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION.
I mean I'm not kicking and screaming, period, but I'm entirely open to hating Tommy La Stella. If Lackey is going to stick it up the Cardinals asses he can't be the most hateable guy on this team, so we're taking applications.
I'd like to vote early and often for LaStella then.
I'm not going to put any effort into hating Tommy LaStella. I'm not up to it.
Me neither. Adam Warren seemed like a good candidate but then I saw his change up.
Either way we're stuck with hating the 25th man, the 4th or 5th most important reliever, or an above average middle-to-end of the rotation starter just because he's either a mouthbreather (Lackey) or gets shelled every now and then while being pretty good otherwise (Hendricks).
This team is devoid of good candidates for hating. Theo has ruined us.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 20, 2016, 03:55:11 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 20, 2016, 03:46:35 PM
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Quote from: InternetApex on April 20, 2016, 03:31:29 PM
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Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 03:28:23 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2016, 03:19:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 02:24:21 PM
It feels so petty to be annoyed by the 5th starter having a mediocre game on the road against a decent team, because if the Cubs worst problem is that Kyle Hendricks gets hit every third or fourth start, we have very little to be annoyed by.
But, well, I am petty, and I'm annoyed. Dammit, Kyle. I want this sweep.
If we're going to kick and scream over an April loss then I suggest you focus some rage on Tommy LaStella, the pedo-looking mofo who opened the floodgates by letting a well-struck-but-still-playable- ball clank off his glove. Damnit, son, Hendricks pitches to a good bit of contact as it is, PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION.
I mean I'm not kicking and screaming, period, but I'm entirely open to hating Tommy La Stella. If Lackey is going to stick it up the Cardinals asses he can't be the most hateable guy on this team, so we're taking applications.
I'd like to vote early and often for LaStella then.
I'm not going to put any effort into hating Tommy LaStella. I'm not up to it.
Come on, we need you support. You've always been great at hating mediocre white guys.
#MakeHatingMediocreWhiteGuysGreatAgain
Those mediocre white guys were starters on putrid teams. It was a different time, a different Pex. I think what we'd need to get me onto a LaStella hatewagon would be an injury to one of the top line guys forcing him into regular action. His mere presence on the field would remind me that so and so was out and that our high hopes were getting dashed by this insufferable slapdick, fuckface, asshole.
I really don't want ANY of that shit to happen. I'm gonna chill.
1. If I had known about your newly minted bullshit toleration, I would have worked into the softball team toast.
2. If it helps, every time LaStella plays, it mean that Soler sits.
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I didn't even bother to follow this game. I am really good with 2 of 3 in that dump.
I mean I am very content with where the Cubs are, but I wanted to sweep the Cardinals in their stupid fetid little swamp and I am mildly annoyed that it is looking unlikely.
They'll have a couple more shots at it. And at that point the separation in the standings will mean more than it does now. A sweep would be great for some Facebook Lolz but what are we gonna do, print t-shirts for an April road sweep?
Well, not now we won't.
*packs up screen printing materials*
I mean, it's a dumb idea anyway, right?
Let's print shirts for every series, like the Venture Bros does for each episode.
Cool. Rotating design assignments or Kurt does all of them?
Lobster Orcs for everyone!
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It feels so petty to be annoyed by the 5th starter having a mediocre game on the road against a decent team, because if the Cubs worst problem is that Kyle Hendricks gets hit every third or fourth start, we have very little to be annoyed by.
But, well, I am petty, and I'm annoyed. Dammit, Kyle. I want this sweep.
If we're going to kick and scream over an April loss then I suggest you focus some rage on Tommy LaStella, the pedo-looking mofo who opened the floodgates by letting a well-struck-but-still-playable- ball clank off his glove. Damnit, son, Hendricks pitches to a good bit of contact as it is, PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION.
I mean I'm not kicking and screaming, period, but I'm entirely open to hating Tommy La Stella. If Lackey is going to stick it up the Cardinals asses he can't be the most hateable guy on this team, so we're taking applications.
I'd like to vote early and often for LaStella then.
I'm not going to put any effort into hating Tommy LaStella. I'm not up to it.
Come on, we need you support. You've always been great at hating mediocre white guys.
#MakeHatingMediocreWhiteGuysGreatAgain
Those mediocre white guys were starters on putrid teams. It was a different time, a different Pex. I think what we'd need to get me onto a LaStella hatewagon would be an injury to one of the top line guys forcing him into regular action. His mere presence on the field would remind me that so and so was out and that our high hopes were getting dashed by this insufferable slapdick, fuckface, asshole.
I really don't want ANY of that shit to happen. I'm gonna chill.
Yes. On those teams, La Stella would've started, and been batting 2nd. Different teams, different times.
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It feels so petty to be annoyed by the 5th starter having a mediocre game on the road against a decent team, because if the Cubs worst problem is that Kyle Hendricks gets hit every third or fourth start, we have very little to be annoyed by.
But, well, I am petty, and I'm annoyed. Dammit, Kyle. I want this sweep.
If we're going to kick and scream over an April loss then I suggest you focus some rage on Tommy LaStella, the pedo-looking mofo who opened the floodgates by letting a well-struck-but-still-playable- ball clank off his glove. Damnit, son, Hendricks pitches to a good bit of contact as it is, PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION.
I mean I'm not kicking and screaming, period, but I'm entirely open to hating Tommy La Stella. If Lackey is going to stick it up the Cardinals asses he can't be the most hateable guy on this team, so we're taking applications.
I'd like to vote early and often for LaStella then.
I'm not going to put any effort into hating Tommy LaStella. I'm not up to it.
Come on, we need you support. You've always been great at hating mediocre white guys.
#MakeHatingMediocreWhiteGuysGreatAgain
Those mediocre white guys were starters on putrid teams. It was a different time, a different Pex. I think what we'd need to get me onto a LaStella hatewagon would be an injury to one of the top line guys forcing him into regular action. His mere presence on the field would remind me that so and so was out and that our high hopes were getting dashed by this insufferable slapdick, fuckface, asshole.
I really don't want ANY of that shit to happen. I'm gonna chill.
Yes. On those teams, La Stella would've started, and been batting 2nd. Different teams, different times.
Some of the actually cool and intelligent White Sox fans I follow on Twitter are constantly bemoaning the fact that Ventura believes he has to bat a middle infielder second, no matter what. He's batted Rollins' corpse or Saladino there every game so far and it's killing them.
I don't miss those days.
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It feels so petty to be annoyed by the 5th starter having a mediocre game on the road against a decent team, because if the Cubs worst problem is that Kyle Hendricks gets hit every third or fourth start, we have very little to be annoyed by.
But, well, I am petty, and I'm annoyed. Dammit, Kyle. I want this sweep.
If we're going to kick and scream over an April loss then I suggest you focus some rage on Tommy LaStella, the pedo-looking mofo who opened the floodgates by letting a well-struck-but-still-playable- ball clank off his glove. Damnit, son, Hendricks pitches to a good bit of contact as it is, PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION.
I mean I'm not kicking and screaming, period, but I'm entirely open to hating Tommy La Stella. If Lackey is going to stick it up the Cardinals asses he can't be the most hateable guy on this team, so we're taking applications.
I'd like to vote early and often for LaStella then.
I'm not going to put any effort into hating Tommy LaStella. I'm not up to it.
Come on, we need you support. You've always been great at hating mediocre white guys.
#MakeHatingMediocreWhiteGuysGreatAgain
Those mediocre white guys were starters on putrid teams. It was a different time, a different Pex. I think what we'd need to get me onto a LaStella hatewagon would be an injury to one of the top line guys forcing him into regular action. His mere presence on the field would remind me that so and so was out and that our high hopes were getting dashed by this insufferable slapdick, fuckface, asshole.
I really don't want ANY of that shit to happen. I'm gonna chill.
Yes. On those teams, La Stella would've started, and been batting 2nd. Different teams, different times.
Some of the actually cool and intelligent White Sox fans I follow on Twitter are constantly bemoaning the fact that Ventura believes he has to bat a middle infielder second, no matter what. He's batted Rollins' corpse or Saladino there every game so far and it's killing them.
I don't miss those days.
Honestly, it surprises me that the Dusty Baker era wasn't 25 years long. It felt that way.
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It feels so petty to be annoyed by the 5th starter having a mediocre game on the road against a decent team, because if the Cubs worst problem is that Kyle Hendricks gets hit every third or fourth start, we have very little to be annoyed by.
But, well, I am petty, and I'm annoyed. Dammit, Kyle. I want this sweep.
If we're going to kick and scream over an April loss then I suggest you focus some rage on Tommy LaStella, the pedo-looking mofo who opened the floodgates by letting a well-struck-but-still-playable- ball clank off his glove. Damnit, son, Hendricks pitches to a good bit of contact as it is, PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION.
I mean I'm not kicking and screaming, period, but I'm entirely open to hating Tommy La Stella. If Lackey is going to stick it up the Cardinals asses he can't be the most hateable guy on this team, so we're taking applications.
I'd like to vote early and often for LaStella then.
I'm not going to put any effort into hating Tommy LaStella. I'm not up to it.
Come on, we need you support. You've always been great at hating mediocre white guys.
#MakeHatingMediocreWhiteGuysGreatAgain
Those mediocre white guys were starters on putrid teams. It was a different time, a different Pex. I think what we'd need to get me onto a LaStella hatewagon would be an injury to one of the top line guys forcing him into regular action. His mere presence on the field would remind me that so and so was out and that our high hopes were getting dashed by this insufferable slapdick, fuckface, asshole.
I really don't want ANY of that shit to happen. I'm gonna chill.
Yes. On those teams, La Stella would've started, and been batting 2nd. Different teams, different times.
Some of the actually cool and intelligent White Sox fans I follow on Twitter are constantly bemoaning the fact that Ventura believes he has to bat a middle infielder second, no matter what. He's batted Rollins' corpse or Saladino there every game so far and it's killing them.
I don't miss those days.
Honestly, it surprises me that the Dusty Baker era wasn't 25 years long. It felt that way.
I'm self-editing this post. It didn't make any sense. /shamepost
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It feels so petty to be annoyed by the 5th starter having a mediocre game on the road against a decent team, because if the Cubs worst problem is that Kyle Hendricks gets hit every third or fourth start, we have very little to be annoyed by.
But, well, I am petty, and I'm annoyed. Dammit, Kyle. I want this sweep.
If we're going to kick and scream over an April loss then I suggest you focus some rage on Tommy LaStella, the pedo-looking mofo who opened the floodgates by letting a well-struck-but-still-playable- ball clank off his glove. Damnit, son, Hendricks pitches to a good bit of contact as it is, PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION.
I mean I'm not kicking and screaming, period, but I'm entirely open to hating Tommy La Stella. If Lackey is going to stick it up the Cardinals asses he can't be the most hateable guy on this team, so we're taking applications.
I'd like to vote early and often for LaStella then.
I'm not going to put any effort into hating Tommy LaStella. I'm not up to it.
Me neither. Adam Warren seemed like a good candidate but then I saw his change up.
Either way we're stuck with hating the 25th man, the 4th or 5th most important reliever, or an above average middle-to-end of the rotation starter just because he's either a mouthbreather (Lackey) or gets shelled every now and then while being pretty good otherwise (Hendricks).
This team is devoid of good candidates for hating. Theo has ruined us.
I have no difficulty whatsoever in hating Lackey.
This guy's thread probably deserves a bump.
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This guy's thread probably deserves a bump.
That was, indeed, a quality start.
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Quote from: Tony on May 06, 2016, 12:13:16 AM
This guy's thread probably deserves a bump.
That was, indeed, a quality start.
Machinelike, even.
A gem.
An absolute gem.
I watched him pitch last Sunday against Madison Bumgarner. Bumgarner pitched a great game, and Hendricks had him matched except with the bat. Bumgarner drove in the only run of the game with a double off of Hendricks, who apparently didn't take Bumgarner seriously as an offensive threat.
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I watched him pitch last Sunday against Madison Bumgarner. Bumgarner pitched a great game, and Hendricks had him matched except with the bat. Bumgarner drove in the only run of the game with a double off of Hendricks, who apparently didn't take Bumgarner seriously as an offensive threat.
After the game I remember Hendricks saying he'd made a bad pitch to Bumgarner and he wished he'd executed it better, but the point stands.
I positive us being able to bump starters threads almost every night because they're shutting almost everyone down.
Nice game kid. Who had 6IP with 12K's in the pool? Didn't know he even comprehended what 2K's/IP was.
bump for the only Cubs' starter who hasn't gotten his shit rocked the last two weeks.
Another Quality Start for the Machine.
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Another Quality Start for the Machine.
Lowest ERA in the rotation. Not even Hendricks' agent saw that coming.
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Another Quality Start for the Machine.
Lowest ERA in the rotation. Not even Hendricks' agent saw that coming.
Nor did the guy who got mocked for coining QSM I assume.
I had this guy down at 12-10 with about a 3.5 ERA, keep making me look stupid Kyle.
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Another Quality Start for the Machine.
Lowest ERA in the rotation. Not even Hendricks' agent saw that coming.
Nor did the guy who got mocked for coining QSM I assume.
Not even in the time zone.
This fuckin' guy.
Back to 3rd in the majors in ERA. If anyone would've said before the season that Kyle Fucking Hendricks would have a 2.27 ERA almost 100 games into the season I would've taunted him out of the room. As bad as that 3 week stretch was, 4 of our 5 in the top 28 in ERA, all 5 in the top 22 for AVG and all in the top 20 for WHIP. If a couple guys can sack up in the pen and we can get 1 quality arm by the deadline and just improve a bit in clutch hitting situations then the division'll be over within a month.
The Quality Start Machine goes into tonight not having allowed an earned run for the month of July.
So yeah, he's getting his shit rocked while James Shields throws a fucking no-hitter tonight, right?
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The Quality Start Machine goes into tonight not having allowed an earned run for the month of July.
So yeah, he's getting his shit rocked while James Shields throws a fucking no-hitter tonight, right?
Signs point to maybe
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The Quality Start Machine goes into tonight not having allowed an earned run for the month of July.
So yeah, he's getting his shit rocked while James Shields throws a fucking no-hitter tonight, right?
Signs point to maybe
Dude just keeps pitching well week after week, like some kind of good start robot.
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Dude just keeps pitching well week after week, like some kind of good start robot.
Isn't saving the bullpen one of the arbitrary criteria for being an "ace?" Because, I mean....
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Dude just keeps pitching well week after week, like some kind of good start robot.
I hope the next time you want Oreos you get fucking Hydrox.
So much sploosh. I've been waiting for his regression to the mean. Hasn't happened yet. Maybe he's really good.
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So much sploosh. I've been waiting for his regression to the mean. Hasn't happened yet. Maybe he's really good.
His FIP is up from last year, K % is down, BB% is up a touch, and the BABIP is considerably lower, so one could argue he's been lucky, but I really don't think so. The metrics we have really underrate contact pitchers because for a long time DIPS theory basically argued that pitchers had no control over batted balls. The more data we get though the more it appears some pitchers are really good at inducing weak contact. Jake has been great at this, but Kyle has been even better. He's just really hard to square up with all of his movement and location.
Although I think a big part of the difference between 2015 Kyle and 2016 is also just how much better the defense behind him is this year. There were a number of balls hit last night that I think would have dropped in against a Schwarber/Fowler/Soler outfield that were caught by Szczur/Heyward and then the Cubs have maybe the best defensive infield in the game.
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Although I think a big part of the difference between 2015 Kyle and 2016 is also just how much better the defense behind him is this year. There were a number of balls hit last night that I think would have dropped in against a Schwarber/Fowler/Soler outfield that were caught by Szczur/Heyward and then the Cubs have maybe the best defensive infield in the game.
Can't wait to see the Mets' pitchers suddenly become more mortal with that dumpster fire of an outfield they now have.
He's almost like some sort of great assembly line that just constantly cranks out great starts.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 07, 2016, 05:45:03 PM
He's almost like some sort of great assembly line that just constantly cranks out great starts.
All it took was getting one superhuman reliever for the Cubs' starters to pull their shit together.
Well, that and some off-days.
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He's almost like some sort of great assembly line that just constantly cranks out great starts.
All it took was getting one superhuman reliever for the Cubs' starters to pull their shit together.
Well, that and some off-days.
Went to the game today with my A's fan son and five year old grandson. When we got back home he told Grammy that "Daddy and I wanted the A's to win, but the good guys won."
Quote from: ChuckD on August 07, 2016, 05:45:03 PM
He's almost like some sort of great assembly line that just constantly cranks out great starts.
A Pretty Good Baseball Throwing Automaton if you will
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Quote from: ChuckD on August 07, 2016, 05:45:03 PM
He's almost like some sort of great assembly line that just constantly cranks out great starts.
A Pretty Good Baseball Throwing Automaton if you will
Yep. He's like a robot. A great performance
robot.
Quality starts, 2016 to date:
Lester: 17
Lackey: 16
Jake: 13
Hammel: 12
QSM: 12
Clearly the Machine needs to pick it the fuck up.
Shit, the Cubs aren't even leading the NL in QSs, Dusty and his Legion of Doomed Arms have 72 to the Cubs' 70.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 08, 2016, 08:47:39 AM
Quality starts, 2016 to date:
Lester: 17
Lackey: 16
Jake: 13
Hammel: 12
QSM: 12
Clearly the Machine needs to pick it the fuck up.
Shit, the Cubs aren't even leading the NL in QSs, Dusty and his Legion of Doomed Arms have 72 to the Cubs' 70.
At least some of his low total can be attributed to Joe pulling him before 6, right?
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 08, 2016, 08:47:39 AM
Quality starts, 2016 to date:
Lester: 17
Lackey: 16
Jake: 13
Hammel: 12
QSM: 12
Clearly the Machine needs to pick it the fuck up.
Shit, the Cubs aren't even leading the NL in QSs, Dusty and his Legion of Doomed Arms have 72 to the Cubs' 70.
At least some of his low total can be attributed to Joe pulling him before 6, right?
Yeah I count 6 occasions where he allowed 3 ER or less but didn't go a full six innings, including 3 times he was pulled after 5 despite allowing just 1 ER or less.
He's only allowed 4 ER or more twice in 21 starts. That's pretty damn impressive.
As of tomorrow Clayton Kershaw will fall off the leaderboard and Kyle Hendricks will be your MLB ERA leader
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As of tomorrow Clayton Kershaw will fall off the leaderboard and Kyle Hendricks will be your MLB ERA leader
Somebody is reading Jesse Rogers's tweets.
And another QS down the shitter due to the pen, specifically Wood. I'm starting to sour on his ass lately. His #'s look good, but he seems to give up too much shit that leads to bad.
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And another QS down the shitter due to the pen, specifically Wood. I'm starting to sour on his ass lately. His #'s look good, but he seems to give up too much shit that leads to bad.
::waits patiently for someone with more time to demonstrate Wood's effectiveness::
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And another QS down the shitter due to the pen, specifically Wood. I'm starting to sour on his ass lately. His #'s look good, but he seems to give up too much shit that leads to bad.
::waits patiently for someone with more time to demonstrate Wood's effectiveness::
Have we ever seen CFiHP and this RING FFS person in the same place?
Don't act as if no one else on this board hasn't said the exact same shit about Wood that I have Douche and Bort. I know one last night said they never want to see him in high-leverage situations again, which I'm fully behind. I don't get some people on this board. Some of the posts I make are the same basic shit others have put out there and yet responses I get make it seem like my ideas are unheard of.
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And another QS down the shitter due to the pen, specifically Wood. I'm starting to sour on his ass lately. His #'s look good, but he seems to give up too much shit that leads to bad.
::waits patiently for someone with more time to demonstrate Wood's effectiveness::
Have we ever seen CFiHP and this RING FFS person in the same place?
Well, you've been a room with me, so yeah.
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And another QS down the shitter due to the pen, specifically Wood. I'm starting to sour on his ass lately. His #'s look good, but he seems to give up too much shit that leads to bad.
::waits patiently for someone with more time to demonstrate Wood's effectiveness::
Have we ever seen CFiHP and this RING FFS person in the same place?
Well, you've been a room with me, so yeah.
That's quite the Halloween costume, I imagine.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 20, 2016, 10:19:40 AM
Don't act as if no one else on this board hasn't said the exact same shit about Wood that I have Douche and Bort. I know one last night said they never want to see him in high-leverage situations again, which I'm fully behind. I don't get some people on this board. Some of the posts I make are the same basic shit others have put out there and yet responses I get make it seem like my ideas are unheard of.
Because you say them in such a pearl-clutching, meatball way that it makes SKO seem calm and rational.
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 20, 2016, 12:29:15 AM
And another QS down the shitter due to the pen, specifically Wood. I'm starting to sour on his ass lately. His #'s look good, but he seems to give up too much shit that leads to bad.
::waits patiently for someone with more time to demonstrate Wood's effectiveness::
*Crickets*
Since July 4th, he's faced 47 RHH. Among left-handed relievers, that's the 10th
most in MLB over that stretch.
Those 47 LHH have slashed .429/.489/.881/1.370. Among the 40 LH relievers who've faced at least 25 RHH (or, about half what Wood has faced) those slash rates rank 40th/39th/40th/40th.
He's given up 5 HR against just 6 SO. His wOBA against RHH in that stretch is .586 -- about 140 points above anybody else.
His BABIP over that stretch is .419 (the rest of the staff's BABIP against RHH is .241 over that stretch).
So, he's been both
really bad
and unlucky against RHH.
And as I mentioned, he continues to face lots of RHH (for some reason).
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 20, 2016, 12:29:15 AM
And another QS down the shitter due to the pen, specifically Wood. I'm starting to sour on his ass lately. His #'s look good, but he seems to give up too much shit that leads to bad.
::waits patiently for someone with more time to demonstrate Wood's effectiveness::
*Crickets*
Since July 4th, he's faced 47 RHH. Among left-handed relievers, that's the 10th most in MLB over that stretch.
Those 47 LHH have slashed .429/.489/.881/1.370. Among the 40 LH relievers who've faced at least 25 RHH (or, about half what Wood has faced) those slash rates rank 40th/39th/40th/40th.
He's given up 5 HR against just 6 SO. His wOBA against RHH in that stretch is .586 -- about 140 points above anybody else.
His BABIP over that stretch is .419 (the rest of the staff's BABIP against RHH is .241 over that stretch).
So, he's been both really bad and unlucky against RHH.
And as I mentioned, he continues to face lots of RHH (for some reason).
Now THAT'S how you say someone sucks!
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 20, 2016, 12:29:15 AM
And another QS down the shitter due to the pen, specifically Wood. I'm starting to sour on his ass lately. His #'s look good, but he seems to give up too much shit that leads to bad.
::waits patiently for someone with more time to demonstrate Wood's effectiveness::
*Crickets*
Since July 4th, he's faced 47 RHH. Among left-handed relievers, that's the 10th most in MLB over that stretch.
Those 47 LHH have slashed .429/.489/.881/1.370. Among the 40 LH relievers who've faced at least 25 RHH (or, about half what Wood has faced) those slash rates rank 40th/39th/40th/40th.
He's given up 5 HR against just 6 SO. His wOBA against RHH in that stretch is .586 -- about 140 points above anybody else.
His BABIP over that stretch is .419 (the rest of the staff's BABIP against RHH is .241 over that stretch).
So, he's been both really bad and unlucky against RHH.
And as I mentioned, he continues to face lots of RHH (for some reason).
I tried adjusting his allowed numbers of singles/doubles/triples downward using the .241/.300 BABIP values to see just how much unluck he's had.
Using .241 like the rest of the Cubs, he'd allow a slash line of .297/.372/.709/1.081 (32nd/35th/40th/39th)
Using .300 like a MLB average, he'd allow a slash line of .341/.411/.766/1.177 (39th/38th/40th/40th)
So, even adjusting for luck, he's still been
really bad against righties. The only two left-handed relief pitchers who've had anywhere close to as bad of a performance against as many RHH over that stretch were Brett Oberholtzer (.444 wOBA in 47 PA) and someone named "Buddy Boshers" whose middle name I'd wager is probably Mountweazel (.447 wOBA in 38 PA).
I'd just like to remind everybody that in picking up Kyle Hendricks, the Cubs got rid of Ryan Dempster.
Kyle Hendricks. Ryan Dempster.
KYLE HENDRICKS. RYAN DEMPSTER.
Quote from: Tonker on August 25, 2016, 03:38:24 AM
I'd just like to remind everybody that in picking up Kyle Hendricks, the Cubs got rid of Ryan Dempster.
Kyle Hendricks. Ryan Dempster.
KYLE HENDRICKS. RYAN DEMPSTER.
Well, you just made my day.
Quote from: Tonker on August 25, 2016, 03:38:24 AM
I'd just like to remind everybody that in picking up Kyle Hendricks, the Cubs got rid of Ryan Dempster.
Kyle Hendricks. Ryan Dempster.
KYLE HENDRICKS. RYAN DEMPSTER.
in the end Dempster's Golden Tee shenanigans and the trade they didn't did ended up being the best possible thing that could have happened to the Cubs.
Also that was 17 straight quality starts by Kyle, the longest streak by any pitcher in baseball that year. That's the kind of thing that should earn a guy a nickname or something.
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2016, 08:05:53 AM
Also that was 17 straight quality starts by Kyle, the longest streak by any pitcher in baseball that year. That's the kind of thing that should earn a guy a nickname or something.
"Quality" Kyle Hendricks?
Quote from: Canadouche on August 25, 2016, 08:16:54 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 25, 2016, 08:05:53 AM
Also that was 17 straight quality starts by Kyle, the longest streak by any pitcher in baseball that year. That's the kind of thing that should earn a guy a nickname or something.
"Quality" Kyle Hendricks?
Kyle "The Beginner Who Tends To Do Pretty Well By Certain Standards" Hendranzobeanz.
Quote from: Bort on August 25, 2016, 09:38:31 AM
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Also that was 17 straight quality starts by Kyle, the longest streak by any pitcher in baseball that year. That's the kind of thing that should earn a guy a nickname or something.
"Quality" Kyle Hendricks?
Kyle "The Beginner Who Tends To Do Pretty Well By Certain Standards" Hendranzobeanz.
"Dependable, and semi-durable hurling automaton"
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Also that was 17 straight quality starts by Kyle, the longest streak by any pitcher in baseball that year. That's the kind of thing that should earn a guy a nickname or something.
"Quality" Kyle Hendricks?
Kyle "The Beginner Who Tends To Do Pretty Well By Certain Standards" Hendranzobeanz.
"Dependable, and semi-durable hurling automaton"
You left out "banzobeanz" but I think we're getting somewhere.
I will never not enjoy the fact that the Cubs' most vanilla and emotionless pitcher takes the mound to "Sweet Emotion".
Definitely deserves a bump for another fine performance.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 31, 2016, 12:43:26 AM
Definitely deserves a bump for another fine performance.
I assume you're on board until he gives up a run or two.
JD brought up an interesting point the other night - where last year we'd all start sweating Hendricks' seeing a lineup for the third time, this year he's been changing his pitching mix each time through the order.
Dartmouth gave him some smarts.
So close. Jeremy Hazelbaker still sucks.
Damn that was a gut punch
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
Kerry Wood has been retweeting Joe West hate, so there's our silver lining.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I of course was just listening to the radio, so I didn't see what happened. Then I went to buy cat litter. Then I thought I'd look to see if there was a description. Instead, I found something much weirder (http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-91130820/):
Quote from: Joe Maddon
I don't know if you can overdo it or underdo it. You just do it. It's almost like there's no such thing as good yoga or bad yoga. It's yoga. There's no such thing as good meditation or bad meditation. It's meditation. There's no such thing as good celebration of bad celebration. It's just celebration.
I'm leaning toward confusion over the notion that there's no such thing as "good karma," but it's a (possibly metaphysical) head-scratcher.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
Measured thoughts are not appreciated, Tonk. You must maintain the groupthink that Cowboy Joe is the worst and perpetrated something awful against the Cubs.
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
Measured thoughts are not appreciated, Tonk. You must maintain the groupthink that Cowboy Joe is the worst and perpetrated something awful against the Cubs.
Yeah. After I wrote this, I went on Twitter and HOLY SHIT you'd have thought Joe West hit the home run himself.
Quote from: Tonker on September 13, 2016, 01:23:49 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
Quote from: Tonker on September 13, 2016, 07:10:56 AM
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
Measured thoughts are not appreciated, Tonk. You must maintain the groupthink that Cowboy Joe is the worst and perpetrated something awful against the Cubs.
Yeah. After I wrote this, I went on Twitter and HOLY SHIT you'd have thought Joe West hit the home run himself.
I get what SKO says above, but West let Miggy know Maddon was calling for him and then when Maddon apparently did something he wasn't supposed to do, he called him out for it.....
....
Conspiracy time: Maddon knew West would say no and he would argue it to give Chapman time. And the world would continue to hate Joe West
Quote from: SKO on September 13, 2016, 07:52:36 AM
Quote from: Tonker on September 13, 2016, 01:23:49 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
Measured thoughts are not appreciated, Tonk. You must maintain the groupthink that Cowboy Joe is the worst and perpetrated something awful against the Cubs.
Yeah. After I wrote this, I went on Twitter and HOLY SHIT you'd have thought Joe West hit the home run himself.
I get what SKO says above, but West let Miggy know Maddon was calling for him and then when Maddon apparently did something he wasn't supposed to do, he called him out for it.....
....
Conspiracy time: Maddon knew West would say no and he would argue it to give Chapman time. And the world would continue to hate Joe West
I think that's exactly what happened, and it's not exactly a big deal.
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
Measured thoughts are not appreciated, Tonk. You must maintain the groupthink that Cowboy Joe is the worst and perpetrated something awful against the Cubs.
Yeah. After I wrote this, I went on Twitter and HOLY SHIT you'd have thought Joe West hit the home run himself.
I get what SKO says above, but West let Miggy know Maddon was calling for him and then when Maddon apparently did something he wasn't supposed to do, he called him out for it.....
....
Conspiracy time: Maddon knew West would say no and he would argue it to give Chapman time. And the world would continue to hate Joe West
I think that's exactly what happened, and it's not exactly a big deal.
Yeah there's no conspiracy about it. Seems pretty clear that was Maddon's MO.
Quote from: Tonker on September 13, 2016, 07:59:01 AM
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
Oh yeah, I wasn't mad that West did it. He had the right. It's like being mad at a cop for giving you a ticket for going 60 miles (or what I believe you call "cubits" or something) in a 55. He's being overly strict but you were still speeding. I just get why Joe was mad, too.
At first I was really confused about what Joe was even arguing. I thought for a second maybe I misremembered the Hazelbaker AB and West had a missed a call or something and Hazelbaker had homered on 1-2 instead of 0-2. I'm just not going to tell the internet not to shit on Joe West, because it led to Kerry Wood shitting on Joe West, and that was worth the price of admission.
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
Oh yeah, I wasn't mad that West did it. He had the right. It's like being mad at a cop for giving you a ticket for going 60 miles (or what I believe you call "cubits" or something) in a 55. He's being overly strict but you were still speeding. I just get why Joe was mad, too.
At first I was really confused about what Joe was even arguing. I thought for a second maybe I misremembered the Hazelbaker AB and West had a missed a call or something and Hazelbaker had homered on 1-2 instead of 0-2. I'm just not going to tell the internet not to shit on Joe West, because it led to Kerry Wood shitting on Joe West, and that was worth the price of admission.
To be fair, Americans call it "miles per hour"
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
Oh yeah, I wasn't mad that West did it. He had the right. It's like being mad at a cop for giving you a ticket for going 60 miles (or what I believe you call "cubits" or something) in a 55. He's being overly strict but you were still speeding. I just get why Joe was mad, too.
At first I was really confused about what Joe was even arguing. I thought for a second maybe I misremembered the Hazelbaker AB and West had a missed a call or something and Hazelbaker had homered on 1-2 instead of 0-2. I'm just not going to tell the internet not to shit on Joe West, because it led to Kerry Wood shitting on Joe West, and that was worth the price of admission.
To be fair, Americans call it "miles per hour"
No, real 'mericans are far too lazy to use three whole words when one or none will do.
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
Oh yeah, I wasn't mad that West did it. He had the right. It's like being mad at a cop for giving you a ticket for going 60 miles (or what I believe you call "cubits" or something) in a 55. He's being overly strict but you were still speeding. I just get why Joe was mad, too.
At first I was really confused about what Joe was even arguing. I thought for a second maybe I misremembered the Hazelbaker AB and West had a missed a call or something and Hazelbaker had homered on 1-2 instead of 0-2. I'm just not going to tell the internet not to shit on Joe West, because it led to Kerry Wood shitting on Joe West, and that was worth the price of admission.
To be fair, Americans call it "miles per hour"
No, real 'mericans are far too lazy to use three whole words when one or none will do.
Can I get an irony ruling on SKO championing American brevity?
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
While you're right in that West followed the letter of the law, I think the issue that people have--besides our prejudicial notions of Joe West being a worthless sack of feces which clearly fueled our rage-- is that he had no inclination to leave things be due to the uniqueness of the situation, when he would have been perfectly justified in doing so. Yeti sort of touched upon it but you have a pitcher who just lost a no-hitter in the 9th inning, a reliever who had not warmed up because it's considered bad form to warm up a reliever while a no-hitter is in effect, and the fact that the game at that point was
barely two hours old. It's not like the events of the evening were dragging and West used his authority to speed it up. No, instead, he picked that time--at the end of a speedy game-- to make a literal interpretation of the rules which of course allowed him to insert himself into the game which is of course one of Joe West's favorite things. Had he just let it go, it'd have been forgotten but by enforcing a rule at a point where it was needless to do so, he ended up contributing to a delay anyway. Kudos to him for his Pyrrhic victory.
Also, Joe West is a worthless sack of feces.
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Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
While you're right in that West followed the letter of the law, I think the issue that people have--besides our prejudicial notions of Joe West being a worthless sack of foeces which clearly fueled our rage-- is that he had no inclination to leave the situation alone due to the uniqueness of the situation, when he would have been perfectly justified in doing so. Yeti sort of touched upon but you have a pitcher who just lost a no-hitter in the 9th inning, a reliever who had not warmed up because it's considered bad form to warm up a reliever while a no-hitter is in effect, and the fact that the game at that point was barely two hours old. It's not like the events of the evening were dragging and West used his authority to speed it up. No, instead, he picked that time--at the end of a speedy game-- to make a literal interpretation of the rules which of course allowed him to insert himself into the game which is of course one of Joe West's favorite things. Had he just let it go, it'd have been forgotten but by enforcing a rule at a point where it was needless to do so, he ended up contributing to a delay anyway. Kudos to him for his Pyrrhic victory.
Also, Joe West a worthless sack of foeces.
Old shoutbox meme'd.
But yeah, I agree with Huey on this.
Sack of foeces.
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Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
While you're right in that West followed the letter of the law, I think the issue that people have--besides our prejudicial notions of Joe West being a worthless sack of foeces which clearly fueled our rage-- is that he had no inclination to leave the situation alone due to the uniqueness of the situation, when he would have been perfectly justified in doing so. Yeti sort of touched upon but you have a pitcher who just lost a no-hitter in the 9th inning, a reliever who had not warmed up because it's considered bad form to warm up a reliever while a no-hitter is in effect, and the fact that the game at that point was barely two hours old. It's not like the events of the evening were dragging and West used his authority to speed it up. No, instead, he picked that time--at the end of a speedy game-- to make a literal interpretation of the rules which of course allowed him to insert himself into the game which is of course one of Joe West's favorite things. Had he just let it go, it'd have been forgotten but by enforcing a rule at a point where it was needless to do so, he ended up contributing to a delay anyway. Kudos to him for his Pyrrhic victory.
Also, Joe West a worthless sack of foeces.
Old shoutbox meme'd.
I thought about doing that but one of my memes is that I get driven into fits of rage when people bring Shoutbox-borne jokes into the Desipio sphere.
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Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
While you're right in that West followed the letter of the law, I think the issue that people have--besides our prejudicial notions of Joe West being a worthless sack of foeces which clearly fueled our rage-- is that he had no inclination to leave the situation alone due to the uniqueness of the situation, when he would have been perfectly justified in doing so. Yeti sort of touched upon but you have a pitcher who just lost a no-hitter in the 9th inning, a reliever who had not warmed up because it's considered bad form to warm up a reliever while a no-hitter is in effect, and the fact that the game at that point was barely two hours old. It's not like the events of the evening were dragging and West used his authority to speed it up. No, instead, he picked that time--at the end of a speedy game-- to make a literal interpretation of the rules which of course allowed him to insert himself into the game which is of course one of Joe West's favorite things. Had he just let it go, it'd have been forgotten but by enforcing a rule at a point where it was needless to do so, he ended up contributing to a delay anyway. Kudos to him for his Pyrrhic victory.
Also, Joe West a worthless sack of foeces.
Old shoutbox meme'd.
I thought about doing that but one of my memes is that I get driven into fits of rage when people bring Shoutbox-borne jokes into the Desipio sphere.
To be fair, if - like me - you were using an Apple product to type, it would have autocorrected to "forces" and then we could have done the PANKboard meme as well.
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
While you're right in that West followed the letter of the law, I think the issue that people have--besides our prejudicial notions of Joe West being a worthless sack of foeces which clearly fueled our rage-- is that he had no inclination to leave the situation alone due to the uniqueness of the situation, when he would have been perfectly justified in doing so. Yeti sort of touched upon but you have a pitcher who just lost a no-hitter in the 9th inning, a reliever who had not warmed up because it's considered bad form to warm up a reliever while a no-hitter is in effect, and the fact that the game at that point was barely two hours old. It's not like the events of the evening were dragging and West used his authority to speed it up. No, instead, he picked that time--at the end of a speedy game-- to make a literal interpretation of the rules which of course allowed him to insert himself into the game which is of course one of Joe West's favorite things. Had he just let it go, it'd have been forgotten but by enforcing a rule at a point where it was needless to do so, he ended up contributing to a delay anyway. Kudos to him for his Pyrrhic victory.
Also, Joe West a worthless sack of foeces.
Old shoutbox meme'd.
I thought about doing that but one of my memes is that I get driven into fits of rage when people bring Shoutbox-borne jokes into the Desipio sphere.
To be fair, if - like me - you were using an Apple product to type, it would have autocorrected to "forces" and then we could have done the PANKboard meme as well.
Worthless sack of gastrointestinal forces?
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 13, 2016, 09:27:05 AM
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
While you're right in that West followed the letter of the law, I think the issue that people have--besides our prejudicial notions of Joe West being a worthless sack of foeces which clearly fueled our rage-- is that he had no inclination to leave the situation alone due to the uniqueness of the situation, when he would have been perfectly justified in doing so. Yeti sort of touched upon but you have a pitcher who just lost a no-hitter in the 9th inning, a reliever who had not warmed up because it's considered bad form to warm up a reliever while a no-hitter is in effect, and the fact that the game at that point was barely two hours old. It's not like the events of the evening were dragging and West used his authority to speed it up. No, instead, he picked that time--at the end of a speedy game-- to make a literal interpretation of the rules which of course allowed him to insert himself into the game which is of course one of Joe West's favorite things. Had he just let it go, it'd have been forgotten but by enforcing a rule at a point where it was needless to do so, he ended up contributing to a delay anyway. Kudos to him for his Pyrrhic victory.
Also, Joe West a worthless sack of foeces.
Old shoutbox meme'd.
I thought about doing that but one of my memes is that I get driven into fits of rage when people bring Shoutbox-borne jokes into the Desipio sphere.
To be fair, if - like me - you were using an Apple product to type, it would have autocorrected to "forces" and then we could have done the PANKboard meme as well.
Worthless sack of gastrointestinal forces?
That actually describes how I felt last night pretty accurately...
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 13, 2016, 09:21:58 AM
Quote from: Tonker on September 13, 2016, 07:59:01 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 13, 2016, 07:52:36 AM
Quote from: Tonker on September 13, 2016, 01:23:49 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
While you're right in that West followed the letter of the law, I think the issue that people have--besides our prejudicial notions of Joe West being a worthless sack of feces which clearly fueled our rage-- is that he had no inclination to leave things be due to the uniqueness of the situation, when he would have been perfectly justified in doing so. Yeti sort of touched upon it but you have a pitcher who just lost a no-hitter in the 9th inning, a reliever who had not warmed up because it's considered bad form to warm up a reliever while a no-hitter is in effect, and the fact that the game at that point was barely two hours old. It's not like the events of the evening were dragging and West used his authority to speed it up. No, instead, he picked that time--at the end of a speedy game-- to make a literal interpretation of the rules which of course allowed him to insert himself into the game which is of course one of Joe West's favorite things. Had he just let it go, it'd have been forgotten but by enforcing a rule at a point where it was needless to do so, he ended up contributing to a delay anyway. Kudos to him for his Pyrrhic victory.
Also, Joe West is a worthless sack of feces.
The sack of shit let Maddon execute the pitching change after he tossed him.
Also, what rule did Joe West enforce? is there a rule against a catcher making a mound visit after a home run?
Quote from: Oleg on September 13, 2016, 09:50:20 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 13, 2016, 09:21:58 AM
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Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
While you're right in that West followed the letter of the law, I think the issue that people have--besides our prejudicial notions of Joe West being a worthless sack of feces which clearly fueled our rage-- is that he had no inclination to leave things be due to the uniqueness of the situation, when he would have been perfectly justified in doing so. Yeti sort of touched upon it but you have a pitcher who just lost a no-hitter in the 9th inning, a reliever who had not warmed up because it's considered bad form to warm up a reliever while a no-hitter is in effect, and the fact that the game at that point was barely two hours old. It's not like the events of the evening were dragging and West used his authority to speed it up. No, instead, he picked that time--at the end of a speedy game-- to make a literal interpretation of the rules which of course allowed him to insert himself into the game which is of course one of Joe West's favorite things. Had he just let it go, it'd have been forgotten but by enforcing a rule at a point where it was needless to do so, he ended up contributing to a delay anyway. Kudos to him for his Pyrrhic victory.
Also, Joe West is a worthless sack of feces.
The sack of shit let Maddon execute the pitching change after he tossed him.
Also, what rule did Joe West enforce? is there a rule against a catcher making a mound visit after a home run?
No, but there is a clock on the next pitch. Bearing in mind how long the infielders had already been at the mound, and all other things being equal, it wasn't a ridiculous call from West. He knew Joe would fight it, Joe fought it, Chapman got his time, no big deal. And as I said, had West allowed it, you can be sure he'd have had the Deadbirds dugout letting him know all about it. It's a three-run game: no-hitter or not, they're looking for any advantage they can get at that point.
EDIT: just to make myself clear, because so far nobody seems to be smelling what I'm cooking... yeah, West was kind of a prick about it, but the reaction on social media was way over the top. That's it.
Quote from: Tonker on September 13, 2016, 10:05:42 AM
EDIT: just to make myself clear, because so far nobody seems to be smelling what I'm cooking... yeah, West was kind of a prick about it, but the reaction on social media was way over the top. That's it.
Watch who you're badmouthing (https://twitter.com/KerryWood), buddy.
Quote from: Tonker on September 13, 2016, 10:05:42 AM
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
While you're right in that West followed the letter of the law, I think the issue that people have--besides our prejudicial notions of Joe West being a worthless sack of feces which clearly fueled our rage-- is that he had no inclination to leave things be due to the uniqueness of the situation, when he would have been perfectly justified in doing so. Yeti sort of touched upon it but you have a pitcher who just lost a no-hitter in the 9th inning, a reliever who had not warmed up because it's considered bad form to warm up a reliever while a no-hitter is in effect, and the fact that the game at that point was barely two hours old. It's not like the events of the evening were dragging and West used his authority to speed it up. No, instead, he picked that time--at the end of a speedy game-- to make a literal interpretation of the rules which of course allowed him to insert himself into the game which is of course one of Joe West's favorite things. Had he just let it go, it'd have been forgotten but by enforcing a rule at a point where it was needless to do so, he ended up contributing to a delay anyway. Kudos to him for his Pyrrhic victory.
Also, Joe West is a worthless sack of feces.
The sack of shit let Maddon execute the pitching change after he tossed him.
Also, what rule did Joe West enforce? is there a rule against a catcher making a mound visit after a home run?
No, but there is a clock on the next pitch. Bearing in mind how long the infielders had already been at the mound, and all other things being equal, it wasn't a ridiculous call from West. He knew Joe would fight it, Joe fought it, Chapman got his time, no big deal. And as I said, had West allowed it, you can be sure he'd have had the Deadbirds dugout letting him know all about it. It's a three-run game: no-hitter or not, they're looking for any advantage they can get at that point.
EDIT: just to make myself clear, because so far nobody seems to be smelling what I'm cooking... yeah, West was kind of a prick about it, but the reaction on social media was way over the top. That's it.
Can someone please add "Tonker loves Joe West" to the meme spreadsheet?
Quote from: Bort on September 13, 2016, 10:11:31 AM
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
While you're right in that West followed the letter of the law, I think the issue that people have--besides our prejudicial notions of Joe West being a worthless sack of feces which clearly fueled our rage-- is that he had no inclination to leave things be due to the uniqueness of the situation, when he would have been perfectly justified in doing so. Yeti sort of touched upon it but you have a pitcher who just lost a no-hitter in the 9th inning, a reliever who had not warmed up because it's considered bad form to warm up a reliever while a no-hitter is in effect, and the fact that the game at that point was barely two hours old. It's not like the events of the evening were dragging and West used his authority to speed it up. No, instead, he picked that time--at the end of a speedy game-- to make a literal interpretation of the rules which of course allowed him to insert himself into the game which is of course one of Joe West's favorite things. Had he just let it go, it'd have been forgotten but by enforcing a rule at a point where it was needless to do so, he ended up contributing to a delay anyway. Kudos to him for his Pyrrhic victory.
Also, Joe West is a worthless sack of feces.
The sack of shit let Maddon execute the pitching change after he tossed him.
Also, what rule did Joe West enforce? is there a rule against a catcher making a mound visit after a home run?
No, but there is a clock on the next pitch. Bearing in mind how long the infielders had already been at the mound, and all other things being equal, it wasn't a ridiculous call from West. He knew Joe would fight it, Joe fought it, Chapman got his time, no big deal. And as I said, had West allowed it, you can be sure he'd have had the Deadbirds dugout letting him know all about it. It's a three-run game: no-hitter or not, they're looking for any advantage they can get at that point.
EDIT: just to make myself clear, because so far nobody seems to be smelling what I'm cooking... yeah, West was kind of a prick about it, but the reaction on social media was way over the top. That's it.
Can someone please add "Tonker loves Joe West" to the meme spreadsheet?
But I specifically said that I hates me some... ah, fuck it. Go ahead.
So basically Joe knew he needed to buy some time, and since Hendricks took a no-no into the 9th, he knew that Joe West knew every network carrying MLB games cut over and Country Joe wouldn't be able to help himself in front of all those viewers.
Country Joe is a world-class jagoff and Maddon found a way to make it useful.
Works for me.
Quote from: Yeti on September 13, 2016, 08:13:53 AM
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
Oh yeah, I wasn't mad that West did it. He had the right. It's like being mad at a cop for giving you a ticket for going 60 miles (or what I believe you call "cubits" or something) in a 55. He's being overly strict but you were still speeding. I just get why Joe was mad, too.
At first I was really confused about what Joe was even arguing. I thought for a second maybe I misremembered the Hazelbaker AB and West had a missed a call or something and Hazelbaker had homered on 1-2 instead of 0-2. I'm just not going to tell the internet not to shit on Joe West, because it led to Kerry Wood shitting on Joe West, and that was worth the price of admission.
To be fair, Americans call it "miles per hour"
"Oh, right. I forgot. Here in the States, you call it a sausage in the mouth."
All Joe West had to do, instead of trying to pull Montero back when everyone else was already meeting on the mound, was to let him go but break up the meeting quickly. Maddon probably sends out Bosio and no one is talking about Joe West today.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 13, 2016, 09:25:03 AM
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Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 13, 2016, 09:21:58 AM
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 12, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
While you're right in that West followed the letter of the law, I think the issue that people have--besides our prejudicial notions of Joe West being a worthless sack of foeces which clearly fueled our rage-- is that he had no inclination to leave the situation alone due to the uniqueness of the situation, when he would have been perfectly justified in doing so. Yeti sort of touched upon but you have a pitcher who just lost a no-hitter in the 9th inning, a reliever who had not warmed up because it's considered bad form to warm up a reliever while a no-hitter is in effect, and the fact that the game at that point was barely two hours old. It's not like the events of the evening were dragging and West used his authority to speed it up. No, instead, he picked that time--at the end of a speedy game-- to make a literal interpretation of the rules which of course allowed him to insert himself into the game which is of course one of Joe West's favorite things. Had he just let it go, it'd have been forgotten but by enforcing a rule at a point where it was needless to do so, he ended up contributing to a delay anyway. Kudos to him for his Pyrrhic victory.
Also, Joe West a worthless sack of foeces.
Old shoutbox meme'd.
I thought about doing that but one of my memes is that I get driven into fits of rage when people bring Shoutbox-borne jokes into the Desipio sphere.
I thought that started here, with Gil's aversion to cat foeaces in his toilet.
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Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
Oh yeah, I wasn't mad that West did it. He had the right. It's like being mad at a cop for giving you a ticket for going 60 miles (or what I believe you call "cubits" or something) in a 55. He's being overly strict but you were still speeding. I just get why Joe was mad, too.
At first I was really confused about what Joe was even arguing. I thought for a second maybe I misremembered the Hazelbaker AB and West had a missed a call or something and Hazelbaker had homered on 1-2 instead of 0-2. I'm just not going to tell the internet not to shit on Joe West, because it led to Kerry Wood shitting on Joe West, and that was worth the price of admission.
To be fair, Americans call it "miles per hour"
"Oh, right. I forgot. Here in the States, you call it a sausage in the mouth."
All Joe West had to do, instead of trying to pull Montero back when everyone else was already meeting on the mound, was to let him go but break up the meeting quickly. Maddon probably sends out Bosio and no one is talking about Joe West today.
Joe West is terrible. We should all be able to agree on that. It would have also been awesome if Fork's dude threw a no-hitter in that toilet. These are things we can agree upon.
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Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
While you're right in that West followed the letter of the law, I think the issue that people have--besides our prejudicial notions of Joe West being a worthless sack of feces which clearly fueled our rage-- is that he had no inclination to leave things be due to the uniqueness of the situation, when he would have been perfectly justified in doing so. Yeti sort of touched upon it but you have a pitcher who just lost a no-hitter in the 9th inning, a reliever who had not warmed up because it's considered bad form to warm up a reliever while a no-hitter is in effect, and the fact that the game at that point was barely two hours old. It's not like the events of the evening were dragging and West used his authority to speed it up. No, instead, he picked that time--at the end of a speedy game-- to make a literal interpretation of the rules which of course allowed him to insert himself into the game which is of course one of Joe West's favorite things. Had he just let it go, it'd have been forgotten but by enforcing a rule at a point where it was needless to do so, he ended up contributing to a delay anyway. Kudos to him for his Pyrrhic victory.
Also, Joe West is a worthless sack of feces.
The sack of shit let Maddon execute the pitching change after he tossed him.
Also, what rule did Joe West enforce? is there a rule against a catcher making a mound visit after a home run?
No, but there is a clock on the next pitch. Bearing in mind how long the infielders had already been at the mound, and all other things being equal, it wasn't a ridiculous call from West. He knew Joe would fight it, Joe fought it, Chapman got his time, no big deal. And as I said, had West allowed it, you can be sure he'd have had the Deadbirds dugout letting him know all about it. It's a three-run game: no-hitter or not, they're looking for any advantage they can get at that point.
EDIT: just to make myself clear, because so far nobody seems to be smelling what I'm cooking... yeah, West was kind of a prick about it, but the reaction on social media was way over the top. That's it.
Can someone please add "Tonker loves Joe West" to the meme spreadsheet?
For the record, this was taken care of.
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Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
While you're right in that West followed the letter of the law, I think the issue that people have--besides our prejudicial notions of Joe West being a worthless sack of feces which clearly fueled our rage-- is that he had no inclination to leave things be due to the uniqueness of the situation, when he would have been perfectly justified in doing so. Yeti sort of touched upon it but you have a pitcher who just lost a no-hitter in the 9th inning, a reliever who had not warmed up because it's considered bad form to warm up a reliever while a no-hitter is in effect, and the fact that the game at that point was barely two hours old. It's not like the events of the evening were dragging and West used his authority to speed it up. No, instead, he picked that time--at the end of a speedy game-- to make a literal interpretation of the rules which of course allowed him to insert himself into the game which is of course one of Joe West's favorite things. Had he just let it go, it'd have been forgotten but by enforcing a rule at a point where it was needless to do so, he ended up contributing to a delay anyway. Kudos to him for his Pyrrhic victory.
Also, Joe West is a worthless sack of feces.
The sack of shit let Maddon execute the pitching change after he tossed him.
Also, what rule did Joe West enforce? is there a rule against a catcher making a mound visit after a home run?
No, but there is a clock on the next pitch. Bearing in mind how long the infielders had already been at the mound, and all other things being equal, it wasn't a ridiculous call from West. He knew Joe would fight it, Joe fought it, Chapman got his time, no big deal. And as I said, had West allowed it, you can be sure he'd have had the Deadbirds dugout letting him know all about it. It's a three-run game: no-hitter or not, they're looking for any advantage they can get at that point.
EDIT: just to make myself clear, because so far nobody seems to be smelling what I'm cooking... yeah, West was kind of a prick about it, but the reaction on social media was way over the top. That's it.
Can someone please add "Tonker loves Joe West" to the meme spreadsheet?
For the record, this was taken care of.
Now all I need is a Joe West shirsey.
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Good to know Joe West is still a fucking piece of shit.
I have very little problem with what West did there. Maddon was stalling for time, West knew it, he tried to stop it and so Joe had no choice but to get himself into an argument and get tossed. God knows I hate me some Cowboy Joe, but on this occasion he really was just umpiring the game.
He was within his right as an umpire to do it, but like Joe said, most umpires would have been more understanding of the moment and that for all that is stupid about baseball tradition it's still considered bad luck to warm up the bullpen while a guy has a no hitter going, and they'd have allowed the stupid pointless mound visit to give Chapman a bit longer to warm up. It was a violation of the "unwritten rules" while following the written rules. I don't know that people overreacted so much as we just like dumping heaps of shit on Joe West because he deserves it always.
I just don't see the problem. West enforced the rules, Maddon argued and got himself ejected to buy time anyway, and West let him do it without getting bent out of shape about it. Everybody's happy. You can be sure that, had West allowed extra time, he'd have been hearing it from the Cards' dugout and the BFiB.
While you're right in that West followed the letter of the law, I think the issue that people have--besides our prejudicial notions of Joe West being a worthless sack of feces which clearly fueled our rage-- is that he had no inclination to leave things be due to the uniqueness of the situation, when he would have been perfectly justified in doing so. Yeti sort of touched upon it but you have a pitcher who just lost a no-hitter in the 9th inning, a reliever who had not warmed up because it's considered bad form to warm up a reliever while a no-hitter is in effect, and the fact that the game at that point was barely two hours old. It's not like the events of the evening were dragging and West used his authority to speed it up. No, instead, he picked that time--at the end of a speedy game-- to make a literal interpretation of the rules which of course allowed him to insert himself into the game which is of course one of Joe West's favorite things. Had he just let it go, it'd have been forgotten but by enforcing a rule at a point where it was needless to do so, he ended up contributing to a delay anyway. Kudos to him for his Pyrrhic victory.
Also, Joe West is a worthless sack of feces.
The sack of shit let Maddon execute the pitching change after he tossed him.
Also, what rule did Joe West enforce? is there a rule against a catcher making a mound visit after a home run?
No, but there is a clock on the next pitch. Bearing in mind how long the infielders had already been at the mound, and all other things being equal, it wasn't a ridiculous call from West. He knew Joe would fight it, Joe fought it, Chapman got his time, no big deal. And as I said, had West allowed it, you can be sure he'd have had the Deadbirds dugout letting him know all about it. It's a three-run game: no-hitter or not, they're looking for any advantage they can get at that point.
EDIT: just to make myself clear, because so far nobody seems to be smelling what I'm cooking... yeah, West was kind of a prick about it, but the reaction on social media was way over the top. That's it.
Can someone please add "Tonker loves Joe West" to the meme spreadsheet?
For the record, this was taken care of.
Now all I need is a Joe West shirsey.
Hope you wear an XXXXL.
I am surprised to find out this is the only umpires' shirt you can buy from Majestic (http://www.majesticathletic.com/d/10873). You cannot even get numbers put on it.
He's not a free agent until 2021? This just seems unfair.
Thanks Kyle.
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He's not a free agent until 2021? This just seems unfair.
Hee hee, holy shit... really? The rest of the National League can suck it.
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He's not a free agent until 2021? This just seems unfair.
Hee hee, holy shit... really? The rest of the National League can suck it.
The names on this roster with less than 2 years of MLB service time...
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He's not a free agent until 2021? This just seems unfair.
Hee hee, holy shit... really? The rest of the National League can suck it.
The names on this roster with less than 2 years of MLB service time...
Good. We've earned the run that is just beginning.
DPD.
Be the machine tomorrow, Kyle.
Forever Kyle Hendricks.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 03, 2016, 09:44:06 AM
Forever Kyle Hendricks.
Should have been at least several more outs Kyle.
This is a fun thread to re-read, from us hoping that Hendricks could just be Randy Wells, to Fork saying there's "no reason" to think Arismendy Alcantara won't figure out big-league pitching, to Fork then getting the last laugh by being the only person here to believe in Hendricks from the start.
Quote from: Eli on November 07, 2016, 07:23:22 PM
This is a fun thread to re-read, from us hoping that Hendricks could just be Randy Wells, to Fork saying there's "no reason" to think Arismendy Alcantara won't figure out big-league pitching, to Fork then getting the last laugh by being the only person here to believe in Hendricks from the start.
I believe the naysayers' healthy skepticism is what propelled him to his current status, so you're welcome, Fork.
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Quote from: Eli on November 07, 2016, 07:23:22 PM
This is a fun thread to re-read, from us hoping that Hendricks could just be Randy Wells, to Fork saying there's "no reason" to think Arismendy Alcantara won't figure out big-league pitching, to Fork then getting the last laugh by being the only person here to believe in Hendricks from the start.
I believe the naysayers' healthy skepticism is what propelled him to his current status, so you're welcome, Fork.
I like that "Quality Start Machine" went from sarcasm to an apt description.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 07, 2016, 08:51:39 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 07, 2016, 08:24:32 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 07, 2016, 07:23:22 PM
This is a fun thread to re-read, from us hoping that Hendricks could just be Randy Wells, to Fork saying there's "no reason" to think Arismendy Alcantara won't figure out big-league pitching, to Fork then getting the last laugh by being the only person here to believe in Hendricks from the start.
I believe the naysayers' healthy skepticism is what propelled him to his current status, so you're welcome, Fork.
I like that "Quality Start Machine" went from sarcasm to an apt description.
One of just three pitchers ever I believe to make 30+ starts and never allow more than 4 runs in any of them if I remember my Pat Hughes factoids correctly.
So yeah that ended up being the most accurate nickname of all time.
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He....can't be That good? Can he?
Meh. There was a time Cubs fans thought Randy Wells (RIP) was good.
Also, Rich Hill.
Also, Angel Guzman.
Also, Sean Gallagher.
Also, Carmen Pignatiello.
Also, Jae Kuk Ryu.
Also, Sergio Meat Tray.
Also, Frank Beltran.
Also, Todd Wellemeyer.
Also, Jon LeICEster.
Etc., etc., etc...
Rich Hill always sucked.
I can't believe nobody grabbed this Chuckiswrong off the first page.
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Quote from: SKO on August 12, 2014, 11:03:47 PM
He....can't be That good? Can he?
Meh. There was a time Cubs fans thought Randy Wells (RIP) was good.
Also, Rich Hill.
Also, Angel Guzman.
Also, Sean Gallagher.
Also, Carmen Pignatiello.
Also, Jae Kuk Ryu.
Also, Sergio Meat Tray.
Also, Frank Beltran.
Also, Todd Wellemeyer.
Also, Jon LeICEster.
Etc., etc., etc...
Rich Hill always sucked.
I can't believe nobody grabbed this Chuckiswrong off the first page.
To be fair I will never under any circumstances acknowledge that Rich Hill was good this year or believe the damnable liberal media and Crooked Hillary's lie that he shut out the Cubs in an NLCS game.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 13, 2014, 08:35:17 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 13, 2014, 03:47:27 AM
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Quote from: SKO on August 12, 2014, 11:03:47 PM
He....can't be That good? Can he?
Meh. There was a time Cubs fans thought Randy Wells (RIP) was good.
Also, Rich Hill.
Also, Angel Guzman.
Also, Sean Gallagher.
Also, Carmen Pignatiello.
Also, Jae Kuk Ryu.
Also, Sergio Meat Tray.
Also, Frank Beltran.
Also, Todd Wellemeyer.
Also, Jon LeICEster.
Etc., etc., etc...
Rich Hill always sucked.
I can't believe nobody grabbed this Chuckiswrong off the first page.
To be fair I will never under any circumstances acknowledge that Rich Hill was good this year or believe the damnable liberal media and Crooked Hillary's lie that he shut out the Cubs in an NLCS game.
These things no more happened than the fictional postseasons in 2005 and 2006.
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Over the last calendar year:
29 starts
About 6 IP/start
3.19 ERA
3.37 FIP
I'm guessing there are quite a few teams who would take this guy as a #4 starter and just about any team would take him as a #5. He'll likely never be more than a back end guy but if he can give you 180-190 innings a year, it's valuable.
Yeah I think this is just it. He is what he is and it's what we all say we want him to be (a decent #4). Then we forget all about it and bitch when he gets shelled because we're all idiots, but really every back end starter in baseball gets shelled every now and then and it ain't pretty when it happens. He's not gonna be in a postseason rotation but he's better than Jason Marquis.
DPD. Man, this thread is the gift that keeps on giving. This website is shit for brains.
Quote from: Bort on November 08, 2016, 08:52:26 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 09:16:00 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 06, 2015, 09:09:19 AM
Over the last calendar year:
29 starts
About 6 IP/start
3.19 ERA
3.37 FIP
I'm guessing there are quite a few teams who would take this guy as a #4 starter and just about any team would take him as a #5. He'll likely never be more than a back end guy but if he can give you 180-190 innings a year, it's valuable.
Yeah I think this is just it. He is what he is and it's what we all say we want him to be (a decent #4). Then we forget all about it and bitch when he gets shelled because we're all idiots, but really every back end starter in baseball gets shelled every now and then and it ain't pretty when it happens. He's not gonna be in a postseason rotation but he's better than Jason Marquis.
DPD. Man, this thread is the gift that keeps on giving. This website is shit for brains.
To be fair, Sahadev actually had a really good article (https://theathletic.com/21039/2016/10/06/the-true-story-of-how-kyle-hendricks-became-a-cy-young-candidate/)about how Hendricks was a two pitch pitcher who was on his way to getting shelled and maybe losing his rotation spot this May until he started using his fastball and curveball more and turned into Greg Maddux.
But yeah this entire thread is hysterical, especially my own stupidity.
Having read through this entire thread, it gave me great joy.
We are a bunch of dumbfucks.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 08, 2016, 02:15:31 PM
Having read through this entire thread, it gave me great joy.
We are a bunch of dumbfucks.
This should go in the humblebrag thread.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 08, 2016, 02:22:43 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 08, 2016, 02:15:31 PM
Having read through this entire thread, it gave me great joy.
We are a bunch of dumbfucks.
This should go in the humblebrag thread.
We are all SKO.
Shades of Mike Bielecki?
Quote from: Canadouche on April 19, 2017, 05:48:46 PM
Shades of Mike Bielecki?
Did he crack that the Cubs are flatter than his junior year Prom Date? Then, no.
Quote from: Brownie on April 19, 2017, 08:44:34 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on April 19, 2017, 05:48:46 PM
Shades of Mike Bielecki?
Did he crack that the Cubs are flatter than his junior year Prom Date? Then, no.
Still, a start of the quality variety would be just ducky right about now.
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Quote from: Brownie on April 19, 2017, 08:44:34 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on April 19, 2017, 05:48:46 PM
Shades of Mike Bielecki?
Did he crack that the Cubs are flatter than his junior year Prom Date? Then, no.
Still, a start of the quality variety would be just ducky right about now.
Sahadev had a graph on his velocity. Low ain't the right adjective.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 20, 2017, 12:15:07 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 20, 2017, 11:18:32 AM
Quote from: Brownie on April 19, 2017, 08:44:34 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on April 19, 2017, 05:48:46 PM
Shades of Mike Bielecki?
Did he crack that the Cubs are flatter than his junior year Prom Date? Then, no.
Still, a start of the quality variety would be just ducky right about now.
Sahadev had a graph on his velocity. Low ain't the right adjective.
I shall call him "Soft Serve."
I'd like to go back to being wrong about Kyle not being a quality start machine, please.
Hopefully tonight is a step back into 2016 Hendricks.
Got some help from the defense but still had 5 K in 5.1 innings and has allowed just 2 runs in his last 3 starts.
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2017, 03:32:15 PM
Got some help from the defense but still had 5 K in 5.1 innings and has allowed just 2 runs in his last 3 starts.
Too bad Carl let in his inherited runners yesterday, or his ERA would have been under 3.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 11, 2017, 01:54:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2017, 03:32:15 PM
Got some help from the defense but still had 5 K in 5.1 innings and has allowed just 2 runs in his last 3 starts.
Too bad Carl let in his inherited runners yesterday, or his ERA would have been under 3.
I don't even know if I want to pin that on Carl. A pitcher hit an 0-2 fastball that was at his fucking eyes. I don't even know how the fuck that happened.
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 11, 2017, 01:54:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2017, 03:32:15 PM
Got some help from the defense but still had 5 K in 5.1 innings and has allowed just 2 runs in his last 3 starts.
Too bad Carl let in his inherited runners yesterday, or his ERA would have been under 3.
I don't even know if I want to pin that on Carl. A pitcher hit an 0-2 fastball that was at his fucking eyes. I don't even know how the fuck that happened.
Because the Cubbiez are cursed! Seriously though this first 5+ weeks of baseball has reminded me why I hate all sports fans and especially all Cubs fans. People would much rather shit a hole in their underoos over this team's .500 record than listen to a LITERALLY 10 SECOND explanation that every team in baseball goes through a 30 or 40 game stretch of .500 baseball and we need to kind of let this motherfucker play out.
Quote from: R-V on May 11, 2017, 02:39:17 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 11, 2017, 02:21:32 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 11, 2017, 01:54:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2017, 03:32:15 PM
Got some help from the defense but still had 5 K in 5.1 innings and has allowed just 2 runs in his last 3 starts.
Too bad Carl let in his inherited runners yesterday, or his ERA would have been under 3.
I don't even know if I want to pin that on Carl. A pitcher hit an 0-2 fastball that was at his fucking eyes. I don't even know how the fuck that happened.
Because the Cubbiez are cursed! Seriously though this first 5+ weeks of baseball has reminded me why I hate all sports fans and especially all Cubs fans. People would much rather shit a hole in their underoos over this team's .500 record than listen to a LITERALLY 10 SECOND explanation that every team in baseball goes through a 30 or 40 game stretch of .500 baseball and we need to kind of let this motherfucker play out.
There are a few legit concerns: if Hendricks and Arrieta can't get their velocities back up just how good can they be? Did we may overestimate just how awesome Schwarber would be in what is essentially still an extended rookie year? What about Willson?
But the rest is noise, literally every team in baseball will have a .500 over 30+ games stretch. The Cubs went 28-29 between May 11th and July 10th last year.
This team isn't going to be as good as they were last year, there's just no fucking way, because that team was arguably the best team since the 1998 Yankees, who were maybe the best team ever. You don't do that two years in a row, even the 1999 Yankees dropped by 16 games (and still won the title).
I think they're last year's Dodgers, they'll putter around for a bit, make some deadline additions, win the division with 90-95 wins and go as far in the postseason as their best two pitchers can carry them, whether that's Lester and a rejuvenated Kyle/Jake or Lester and Cueto/Darvish.
Another good example: last year's Indians, who also started 17-17 and were 35-30 at one point before a 12 game winning streak launched them to the top of the AL.
Or as I noted to a smarmy STL beat writer earlier today who was laughing at Joe Maddon for saying the Cubs long October run last year might still be wearing on some of their pitchers, the last time the Cardinals went to the WS in 2013 they started 2014 at 17-17 and played .500 ball well into June before eventually winning the division at 90-72 and going deep into the NLCS.
I'm concerned about their pitching. We knew there were gaps to fill at the end of the season with Arrieta, Lackey, Anderson all headed for free agency but the rotation's performances are down across the board. It's fair to wonder if that will change given all the extra work and remarkable run of good health they've enjoyed since 2015.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 11, 2017, 03:14:34 PM
I'm concerned about their pitching. We knew there were gaps to fill at the end of the season with Arrieta, Lackey, Anderson all headed for free agency but the rotation's performances are down across the board. It's fair to wonder if that will change given all the extra work and remarkable run of good health they've enjoyed since 2015.
I don't think it's that big a deal. They can always go the rental route this summer, and then when Jake, Lackey, Jay and Montero all roll off this winter, they can throw money around like Charlie Sheen at a valley titty bar.
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 11, 2017, 03:14:34 PM
I'm concerned about their pitching. We knew there were gaps to fill at the end of the season with Arrieta, Lackey, Anderson all headed for free agency but the rotation's performances are down across the board. It's fair to wonder if that will change given all the extra work and remarkable run of good health they've enjoyed since 2015.
I don't think it's that big a deal. They can always go the rental route this summer, and then when Jake, Lackey, Jay and Montero all roll off this winter, they can throw money around like Charlie Sheen at a valley titty bar.
Jake is probably due some positive regression, his FIP is considerably higher than his ERA and he's actually K'ing more and walking fewer guys than he did last year. His biggest issue right now is his slider is a lot more hittable than it has been in the past, but I think he'll probably be a dependable 3/4 most of the year. Same with Kyle. He's on a hot streak but if he can't get his fastball above 85 his margin for error is even slimmer than usual and he's probably more 2014/2015 back-of-the-rotation Hendricks than last year's surprise ace. The Cubs can absolutely make the playoffs with Lester being Lester, Jake and Kyle being middle of the road starters, and Lackey eating innings as an OK five, but they probably can't win many postseason series with that, so yeah I'd expect them to push for a guy like Cueto or Darvish.
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 11, 2017, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 11, 2017, 03:14:34 PM
I'm concerned about their pitching. We knew there were gaps to fill at the end of the season with Arrieta, Lackey, Anderson all headed for free agency but the rotation's performances are down across the board. It's fair to wonder if that will change given all the extra work and remarkable run of good health they've enjoyed since 2015.
I don't think it's that big a deal. They can always go the rental route this summer, and then when Jake, Lackey, Jay and Montero all roll off this winter, they can throw money around like Charlie Sheen at a valley titty bar.
Jake is probably due some positive regression, his FIP is considerably higher than his ERA and he's actually K'ing more and walking fewer guys than he did last year. His biggest issue right now is his slider is a lot more hittable than it has been in the past, but I think he'll probably be a dependable 3/4 most of the year. Same with Kyle. He's on a hot streak but if he can't get his fastball above 85 his margin for error is even slimmer than usual and he's probably more 2014/2015 back-of-the-rotation Hendricks than last year's surprise ace. The Cubs can absolutely make the playoffs with Lester being Lester, Jake and Kyle being middle of the road starters, and Lackey eating innings as an OK five, but they probably can't win many postseason series with that, so yeah I'd expect them to push for a guy like Cueto or Darvish.
Stipulated: Pitching is good enough.
Not worried about the pitching as I think they will add pitching.
Very worried about hitting. Baez, Schwarber and Contreras all scare me. Willson is a career .776 minor league OPS. He was .845 as a rookie in the majors. Love to believe that's sustainable, but I dunno.
I believe Baez is far more like the 2014 Baez than the 2016 Baez, who was still a 97 OPS+ last year.
And Schwarber is still a rookie. He's only played 103 games. He got off to a hot start hitting .311/.407/.613/1.021 over his first 36 games. Since then: .183/.310/.358/.668. Now, maybe he gets back to what he did in the minors. Maybe he doesn't. Yes, it's year 3 of him, but it really isn't. Schwarber is still more unknown than known.
If those three guys are all below what they were in 2016, it's the offense that is the major concern.
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If those three guys are all below what they were in 2016, it's the offense that is the major concern.
Re-post in the "Score Some Fucking Runs" thread.
Quote from: SKO on May 11, 2017, 04:06:03 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 11, 2017, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 11, 2017, 03:14:34 PM
I'm concerned about their pitching. We knew there were gaps to fill at the end of the season with Arrieta, Lackey, Anderson all headed for free agency but the rotation's performances are down across the board. It's fair to wonder if that will change given all the extra work and remarkable run of good health they've enjoyed since 2015.
I don't think it's that big a deal. They can always go the rental route this summer, and then when Jake, Lackey, Jay and Montero all roll off this winter, they can throw money around like Charlie Sheen at a valley titty bar.
Jake is probably due some positive regression, his FIP is considerably higher than his ERA and he's actually K'ing more and walking fewer guys than he did last year. His biggest issue right now is his slider is a lot more hittable than it has been in the past, but I think he'll probably be a dependable 3/4 most of the year. Same with Kyle. He's on a hot streak but if he can't get his fastball above 85 his margin for error is even slimmer than usual and he's probably more 2014/2015 back-of-the-rotation Hendricks than last year's surprise ace. The Cubs can absolutely make the playoffs with Lester being Lester, Jake and Kyle being middle of the road starters, and Lackey eating innings as an OK five, but they probably can't win many postseason series with that, so yeah I'd expect them to push for a guy like Cueto or Darvish.
I haven't looked at a game-by-game breakdown, but I've heard or read speculation that the speed readings at Wrigley are artificially low this year with the switch in monitoring systems. Could explain why the whole rotation is down in velocity. Or not.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 11, 2017, 04:58:05 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 11, 2017, 04:06:03 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 11, 2017, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 11, 2017, 03:14:34 PM
I'm concerned about their pitching. We knew there were gaps to fill at the end of the season with Arrieta, Lackey, Anderson all headed for free agency but the rotation's performances are down across the board. It's fair to wonder if that will change given all the extra work and remarkable run of good health they've enjoyed since 2015.
I don't think it's that big a deal. They can always go the rental route this summer, and then when Jake, Lackey, Jay and Montero all roll off this winter, they can throw money around like Charlie Sheen at a valley titty bar.
Jake is probably due some positive regression, his FIP is considerably higher than his ERA and he's actually K'ing more and walking fewer guys than he did last year. His biggest issue right now is his slider is a lot more hittable than it has been in the past, but I think he'll probably be a dependable 3/4 most of the year. Same with Kyle. He's on a hot streak but if he can't get his fastball above 85 his margin for error is even slimmer than usual and he's probably more 2014/2015 back-of-the-rotation Hendricks than last year's surprise ace. The Cubs can absolutely make the playoffs with Lester being Lester, Jake and Kyle being middle of the road starters, and Lackey eating innings as an OK five, but they probably can't win many postseason series with that, so yeah I'd expect them to push for a guy like Cueto or Darvish.
Stipulated: Pitching is good enough.
Not worried about the pitching as I think they will add pitching.
Very worried about hitting. Baez, Schwarber and Contreras all scare me. Willson is a career .776 minor league OPS. He was .845 as a rookie in the majors. Love to believe that's sustainable, but I dunno.
I believe Baez is far more like the 2014 Baez than the 2016 Baez, who was still a 97 OPS+ last year.
And Schwarber is still a rookie. He's only played 103 games. He got off to a hot start hitting .311/.407/.613/1.021 over his first 36 games. Since then: .183/.310/.358/.668. Now, maybe he gets back to what he did in the minors. Maybe he doesn't. Yes, it's year 3 of him, but it really isn't. Schwarber is still more unknown than known.
If those three guys are all below what they were in 2016, it's the offense that is the major concern.
Citing Willson's career minor league OPS is dumb. The adjustments/changes he made before 2015 are well documented. What he did as a rookie is well in line with what he did in the high minors.
Saying Javy is more 2014 than 2016 while he has started off 2017 as more or less the same guy he was last year is very very Chuck though.
Quote from: Shooter on May 11, 2017, 06:06:27 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 11, 2017, 04:06:03 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 11, 2017, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 11, 2017, 03:14:34 PM
I'm concerned about their pitching. We knew there were gaps to fill at the end of the season with Arrieta, Lackey, Anderson all headed for free agency but the rotation's performances are down across the board. It's fair to wonder if that will change given all the extra work and remarkable run of good health they've enjoyed since 2015.
I don't think it's that big a deal. They can always go the rental route this summer, and then when Jake, Lackey, Jay and Montero all roll off this winter, they can throw money around like Charlie Sheen at a valley titty bar.
Jake is probably due some positive regression, his FIP is considerably higher than his ERA and he's actually K'ing more and walking fewer guys than he did last year. His biggest issue right now is his slider is a lot more hittable than it has been in the past, but I think he'll probably be a dependable 3/4 most of the year. Same with Kyle. He's on a hot streak but if he can't get his fastball above 85 his margin for error is even slimmer than usual and he's probably more 2014/2015 back-of-the-rotation Hendricks than last year's surprise ace. The Cubs can absolutely make the playoffs with Lester being Lester, Jake and Kyle being middle of the road starters, and Lackey eating innings as an OK five, but they probably can't win many postseason series with that, so yeah I'd expect them to push for a guy like Cueto or Darvish.
I haven't looked at a game-by-game breakdown, but I've heard or read speculation that the speed readings at Wrigley are artificially low this year with the switch in monitoring systems. Could explain why the whole rotation is down in velocity. Or not.
If that were the case, wouldn't there be a drop in velocity across the entire pitching staff instead of two guys?
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 11, 2017, 03:14:34 PM
I'm concerned about their pitching. We knew there were gaps to fill at the end of the season with Arrieta, Lackey, Anderson all headed for free agency but the rotation's performances are down across the board. It's fair to wonder if that will change given all the extra work and remarkable run of good health they've enjoyed since 2015.
I don't think it's that big a deal. They can always go the rental route this summer, and then when Jake, Lackey, Jay and Montero all roll off this winter, they can throw money around like Charlie Sheen at a valley titty bar.
Jake is probably due some positive regression, his FIP is considerably higher than his ERA and he's actually K'ing more and walking fewer guys than he did last year. His biggest issue right now is his slider is a lot more hittable than it has been in the past, but I think he'll probably be a dependable 3/4 most of the year. Same with Kyle. He's on a hot streak but if he can't get his fastball above 85 his margin for error is even slimmer than usual and he's probably more 2014/2015 back-of-the-rotation Hendricks than last year's surprise ace. The Cubs can absolutely make the playoffs with Lester being Lester, Jake and Kyle being middle of the road starters, and Lackey eating innings as an OK five, but they probably can't win many postseason series with that, so yeah I'd expect them to push for a guy like Cueto or Darvish.
I haven't looked at a game-by-game breakdown, but I've heard or read speculation that the speed readings at Wrigley are artificially low this year with the switch in monitoring systems. Could explain why the whole rotation is down in velocity. Or not.
If that were the case, wouldn't there be a drop in velocity across the entire pitching staff instead of two guys?
There kind of has been a dip across the board for everyone as far as home games go, but Kyle and Jake are still showing slower on the road as well, it's just not as big of a dip. I think I read Kyle has been averaging like 86/87 on the road and 84/85 at home.
There's probably enough data that we can accept that Kyle and Jake have both seen a dip, the question is how much. 1 MPH off of last year is not bad and pitchers tend to gain velocity as the year goes along and it warms up so they may be fine, 2-3 mph is probably not going to come all of the way back.
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 11, 2017, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 11, 2017, 03:14:34 PM
I'm concerned about their pitching. We knew there were gaps to fill at the end of the season with Arrieta, Lackey, Anderson all headed for free agency but the rotation's performances are down across the board. It's fair to wonder if that will change given all the extra work and remarkable run of good health they've enjoyed since 2015.
I don't think it's that big a deal. They can always go the rental route this summer, and then when Jake, Lackey, Jay and Montero all roll off this winter, they can throw money around like Charlie Sheen at a valley titty bar.
Jake is probably due some positive regression, his FIP is considerably higher than his ERA and he's actually K'ing more and walking fewer guys than he did last year. His biggest issue right now is his slider is a lot more hittable than it has been in the past, but I think he'll probably be a dependable 3/4 most of the year. Same with Kyle. He's on a hot streak but if he can't get his fastball above 85 his margin for error is even slimmer than usual and he's probably more 2014/2015 back-of-the-rotation Hendricks than last year's surprise ace. The Cubs can absolutely make the playoffs with Lester being Lester, Jake and Kyle being middle of the road starters, and Lackey eating innings as an OK five, but they probably can't win many postseason series with that, so yeah I'd expect them to push for a guy like Cueto or Darvish.
I haven't looked at a game-by-game breakdown, but I've heard or read speculation that the speed readings at Wrigley are artificially low this year with the switch in monitoring systems. Could explain why the whole rotation is down in velocity. Or not.
If that were the case, wouldn't there be a drop in velocity across the entire pitching staff instead of two guys?
There kind of has been a dip across the board for everyone as far as home games go, but Kyle and Jake are still showing slower on the road as well, it's just not as big of a dip. I think I read Kyle has been averaging like 86/87 on the road and 84/85 at home.
There's probably enough data that we can accept that Kyle and Jake have both seen a dip, the question is how much. 1 MPH off of last year is not bad and pitchers tend to gain velocity as the year goes along and it warms up so they may be fine, 2-3 mph is probably not going to come all of the way back.
Jake trended downward last year too. So this could just be part of the degradation process. It'll be somebody else's problem next year anyway.
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 11, 2017, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 11, 2017, 03:14:34 PM
I'm concerned about their pitching. We knew there were gaps to fill at the end of the season with Arrieta, Lackey, Anderson all headed for free agency but the rotation's performances are down across the board. It's fair to wonder if that will change given all the extra work and remarkable run of good health they've enjoyed since 2015.
I don't think it's that big a deal. They can always go the rental route this summer, and then when Jake, Lackey, Jay and Montero all roll off this winter, they can throw money around like Charlie Sheen at a valley titty bar.
Jake is probably due some positive regression, his FIP is considerably higher than his ERA and he's actually K'ing more and walking fewer guys than he did last year. His biggest issue right now is his slider is a lot more hittable than it has been in the past, but I think he'll probably be a dependable 3/4 most of the year. Same with Kyle. He's on a hot streak but if he can't get his fastball above 85 his margin for error is even slimmer than usual and he's probably more 2014/2015 back-of-the-rotation Hendricks than last year's surprise ace. The Cubs can absolutely make the playoffs with Lester being Lester, Jake and Kyle being middle of the road starters, and Lackey eating innings as an OK five, but they probably can't win many postseason series with that, so yeah I'd expect them to push for a guy like Cueto or Darvish.
I haven't looked at a game-by-game breakdown, but I've heard or read speculation that the speed readings at Wrigley are artificially low this year with the switch in monitoring systems. Could explain why the whole rotation is down in velocity. Or not.
If that were the case, wouldn't there be a drop in velocity across the entire pitching staff instead of two guys?
There kind of has been a dip across the board for everyone as far as home games go, but Kyle and Jake are still showing slower on the road as well, it's just not as big of a dip. I think I read Kyle has been averaging like 86/87 on the road and 84/85 at home.
There's probably enough data that we can accept that Kyle and Jake have both seen a dip, the question is how much. 1 MPH off of last year is not bad and pitchers tend to gain velocity as the year goes along and it warms up so they may be fine, 2-3 mph is probably not going to come all of the way back.
Jake trended downward last year too. So this could just be part of the degradation process. It'll be somebody else's problem next year anyway.
Ehh, I'm not really sure how related they are, his velocity last year was down a tick from 2015 but well in line with every other year of his career. His problems last year were clearly mechanical (as they have been most of his career) and whenever he was able to get his mechanics right he looked the same as 2015 Jake, particularly when he held the Indians hitless for most of Game 2.
This year his mechanics actually seem fine, his command is better, and he's just not throwing as hard. That leads me to believe he's just lost something, but I don't think last year is all that relevant.
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 11, 2017, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 11, 2017, 03:14:34 PM
I'm concerned about their pitching. We knew there were gaps to fill at the end of the season with Arrieta, Lackey, Anderson all headed for free agency but the rotation's performances are down across the board. It's fair to wonder if that will change given all the extra work and remarkable run of good health they've enjoyed since 2015.
I don't think it's that big a deal. They can always go the rental route this summer, and then when Jake, Lackey, Jay and Montero all roll off this winter, they can throw money around like Charlie Sheen at a valley titty bar.
Jake is probably due some positive regression, his FIP is considerably higher than his ERA and he's actually K'ing more and walking fewer guys than he did last year. His biggest issue right now is his slider is a lot more hittable than it has been in the past, but I think he'll probably be a dependable 3/4 most of the year. Same with Kyle. He's on a hot streak but if he can't get his fastball above 85 his margin for error is even slimmer than usual and he's probably more 2014/2015 back-of-the-rotation Hendricks than last year's surprise ace. The Cubs can absolutely make the playoffs with Lester being Lester, Jake and Kyle being middle of the road starters, and Lackey eating innings as an OK five, but they probably can't win many postseason series with that, so yeah I'd expect them to push for a guy like Cueto or Darvish.
Stipulated: Pitching is good enough.
Not worried about the pitching as I think they will add pitching.
Very worried about hitting. Baez, Schwarber and Contreras all scare me. Willson is a career .776 minor league OPS. He was .845 as a rookie in the majors. Love to believe that's sustainable, but I dunno.
I believe Baez is far more like the 2014 Baez than the 2016 Baez, who was still a 97 OPS+ last year.
And Schwarber is still a rookie. He's only played 103 games. He got off to a hot start hitting .311/.407/.613/1.021 over his first 36 games. Since then: .183/.310/.358/.668. Now, maybe he gets back to what he did in the minors. Maybe he doesn't. Yes, it's year 3 of him, but it really isn't. Schwarber is still more unknown than known.
If those three guys are all below what they were in 2016, it's the offense that is the major concern.
Since Schwarber has already played more than three games this season, I think it's safe to say he's above his 2016 level.
I think he's fine now. That's 5 good starts in a row and he was hitting 88/89 last night.
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I think he's fine now. That's 5 good starts in a row and he was hitting 88/89 last night.
I think he's been fine all along.
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Quote from: SKO on May 18, 2017, 07:43:26 AM
I think he's fine now. That's 5 good starts in a row and he was hitting 88/89 last night.
I think he's been fine all along.
I'm sure he's glad you find him attractive, but he did have a pretty rough start and was topping out at 84 at one point.
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I think he's fine now. That's 5 good starts in a row and he was hitting 88/89 last night.
I think he's been fine all along.
I'm sure he's glad you find him attractive, but he did have a pretty rough start and was topping out at 84 at one point.
He's adorable.
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I think he's fine now. That's 5 good starts in a row and he was hitting 88/89 last night.
I think he's been fine all along.
Yeah, he just had a couple rough starts to start the season but other than that he's been the same ole' Kyle. No further proof is needed than the fact that he just had back-to-back stellar outings in pitcher-hostile environments--Coors Field and Wrigley with the wind blowing out at a million miles per hour.
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I think he's fine now. That's 5 good starts in a row and he was hitting 88/89 last night.
I think he's been fine all along.
Yeah, he just had a couple rough starts to start the season but other than that he's been the same ole' Kyle. No further proof is needed than the fact that he just had back-to-back stellar outings in pitcher-hostile environments--Coors Field and Wrigley with the wind blowing out at a million miles per hour.
If he hadn't gotten pulled in 6th of the Yankee Game, last night would have been his 5th straight Quality Start.
Just took the Machine a couple games to get warmed up.
So The Machine went 15 up, 15 down last night on his second rehab start in the sticks.
Seems timely.
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So The Machine went 15 up, 15 down last night on his second rehab start in the sticks.
Seems timely.
And we thought the Cubs' farm system was barren.
I'm glad he's back and the movement looks good but hitting only 83/84 is no bueno. Let's hope he shakes off the rust. He'd managed to get up to around 87-88 before he went on the DL.
Quote from: SKO on July 24, 2017, 01:49:25 PM
I'm glad he's back and the movement looks good but hitting only 83/84 is no bueno. Let's hope he shakes off the rust. He'd managed to get up to around 87-88 before he went on the DL.
Fortunately it's another minor league start.
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Quote from: SKO on July 24, 2017, 01:49:25 PM
I'm glad he's back and the movement looks good but hitting only 83/84 is no bueno. Let's hope he shakes off the rust. He'd managed to get up to around 87-88 before he went on the DL.
Fortunately it's another minor league start.
Don't worry, Justin Grimm is here to throw some kerosene on that smoke.
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I'm glad he's back and the movement looks good but hitting only 83/84 is no bueno. Let's hope he shakes off the rust. He'd managed to get up to around 87-88 before he went on the DL.
Fortunately it's another minor league start.
I'm not sure why Joe even let him start the 5th. He was clearly fading in the 4th, got out of it bc the pitcher was up, bullpen is mostly rested (especially Montgomery), Hendricks came up to bat with a runner in scoring position, and Joe said he was gonna hold Kyle to 90 pitches or less anyway. Was it really worth it trying to squeeze ten more pitches out of him?
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I'm glad he's back and the movement looks good but hitting only 83/84 is no bueno. Let's hope he shakes off the rust. He'd managed to get up to around 87-88 before he went on the DL.
Fortunately it's another minor league start.
I'm not sure why Joe even let him start the 5th. He was clearly fading in the 4th, got out of it bc the pitcher was up, bullpen is mostly rested (especially Montgomery), Hendricks came up to bat with a runner in scoring position, and Joe said he was gonna hold Kyle to 90 pitches or less anyway. Was it really worth it trying to squeeze ten more pitches out of him?
I thought it was curious, especially since Montgomery is already stretched out and could have given the Cubs at least 3 innings' work.
Still topping out at 84/85...
Welcome back.
Hendricks is starting to look really good at just the right time.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 27, 2017, 12:08:52 AM
Hendricks is starting to look really good at just the right time.
Yeah that was 2016 Kyle right there.
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 27, 2017, 12:08:52 AM
Hendricks is starting to look really good at just the right time.
Yeah that was 2016 Kyle right there.
That change is just ridonk. Guys are swinging at a pitch that ends up ten inches off the plate.
He hit 88 a couple of times and he's getting a ton of swinging strikes with the changeups. Would appear class is back in session.
Quote from: SKO on September 01, 2017, 08:04:08 AM
He hit 88 a couple of times and he's getting a ton of swinging strikes with the changeups. Would appear class is back in session.
When he's on, there is literally no pitcher in baseball I enjoy watching more.
Bump.
Ace
There's a new Secretary Of Education in town.
Stone cold.
He's just proud of a job well done. Now, he needs to finish staining his deck, so no more monkeyshines, kids.
Apparently Hendricks was touching 90 on his fastball due to "adrenaline."
Quote from: Canadouche on October 07, 2017, 09:28:01 AM
Apparently Hendricks was touching 90 on his fastball due to "adrenaline."
Why is "adrenaline" in quotes? Do you think he was smoking meth between innings or something?
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Apparently Hendricks was touching 90 on his fastball due to "adrenaline."
Why is "adrenaline" in quotes? Do you think he was smoking meth between innings or something?
Because if he was feeling the rush of adrenaline, how could anybody really tell?
I'm an idiot for not having noticed, but I was pretty impressed by the fact that Kyle's career ERA is below 3.00. I mean, it's obviously still very early in his career, but among elite, active pitchers, Kershaw was the only guy I found with a sub-3.00 ERA, albeit his career ERA is an amazing 2.36.
I would love to know what happened between 2015 "looked-like-he-was-constantly-touching-cloth" Hendricks who wasn't really kidding anybody and couldn't get through six innings, and post-2015 "ice-water-in-his-veins" Hendricks who never bats an eyelid and whose change will make you look like a cunt. Because the change was dramatic.
He's my second-favourite Cub to watch.
Quote from: Tonker on January 18, 2018, 03:52:17 AM
I would love to know what happened between 2015 "looked-like-he-was-constantly-touching-cloth" Hendricks who wasn't really kidding anybody and couldn't get through six innings, and post-2015 "ice-water-in-his-veins" Hendricks who never bats an eyelid and whose change will make you look like a cunt. Because the change was dramatic.
He's my second-favourite Cub to watch.
Basically the Cubs convinced him he needed to throw his fastball and curveball more and stop relying on just his sinker and changeup, because the more he uses the fastball and curve to people expecting the sinker or the change the more he keeps them off balance. Once he figured out major league hitters can't crush an 87 mph fastball if they aren't expecting it and don't know where it's going to be, he had more confidence in all of his stuff. At least that's the gist of an article Sahadev wrote about him sometime early last year in The Athletic.
Quote from: SKO on January 18, 2018, 08:01:37 AM
Quote from: Tonker on January 18, 2018, 03:52:17 AM
I would love to know what happened between 2015 "looked-like-he-was-constantly-touching-cloth" Hendricks who wasn't really kidding anybody and couldn't get through six innings, and post-2015 "ice-water-in-his-veins" Hendricks who never bats an eyelid and whose change will make you look like a cunt. Because the change was dramatic.
He's my second-favourite Cub to watch.
Basically the Cubs convinced him he needed to throw his fastball and curveball more and stop relying on just his sinker and changeup, because the more he uses the fastball and curve to people expecting the sinker or the change the more he keeps them off balance. Once he figured out major league hitters can't crush an 87 mph fastball if they aren't expecting it and don't know where it's going to be, he had more confidence in all of his stuff. At least that's the gist of an article Sahadev wrote about him sometime early last year in The Athletic.
Not to mention, even though his fastball is fast in name only, it moves around enough for guys to think it's something else.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on January 18, 2018, 08:21:24 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 18, 2018, 08:01:37 AM
Quote from: Tonker on January 18, 2018, 03:52:17 AM
I would love to know what happened between 2015 "looked-like-he-was-constantly-touching-cloth" Hendricks who wasn't really kidding anybody and couldn't get through six innings, and post-2015 "ice-water-in-his-veins" Hendricks who never bats an eyelid and whose change will make you look like a cunt. Because the change was dramatic.
He's my second-favourite Cub to watch.
Basically the Cubs convinced him he needed to throw his fastball and curveball more and stop relying on just his sinker and changeup, because the more he uses the fastball and curve to people expecting the sinker or the change the more he keeps them off balance. Once he figured out major league hitters can't crush an 87 mph fastball if they aren't expecting it and don't know where it's going to be, he had more confidence in all of his stuff. At least that's the gist of an article Sahadev wrote about him sometime early last year in The Athletic.
Not to mention, even though his fastball is fast in name only, it moves around enough for guys to think it's something else.
So...what SKO said?
Quote from: Oleg on January 18, 2018, 09:53:56 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on January 18, 2018, 08:21:24 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 18, 2018, 08:01:37 AM
Quote from: Tonker on January 18, 2018, 03:52:17 AM
I would love to know what happened between 2015 "looked-like-he-was-constantly-touching-cloth" Hendricks who wasn't really kidding anybody and couldn't get through six innings, and post-2015 "ice-water-in-his-veins" Hendricks who never bats an eyelid and whose change will make you look like a cunt. Because the change was dramatic.
He's my second-favourite Cub to watch.
Basically the Cubs convinced him he needed to throw his fastball and curveball more and stop relying on just his sinker and changeup, because the more he uses the fastball and curve to people expecting the sinker or the change the more he keeps them off balance. Once he figured out major league hitters can't crush an 87 mph fastball if they aren't expecting it and don't know where it's going to be, he had more confidence in all of his stuff. At least that's the gist of an article Sahadev wrote about him sometime early last year in The Athletic.
Not to mention, even though his fastball is fast in name only, it moves around enough for guys to think it's something else.
So...what SKO said?
Except that he never mentioned movement. So yeah.
Dude was really good last night, and has been of late, and his ERA is stellar right now even though he's actually been really unlucky. His FIP is terrible at 5.33 but that's because he leads the league with 8 HR allowed. 4 of those were at Wrigley with the wind blowing out and Coors Field. Unless you think his incredibly unlucky 23.5% HR/FB is going to keep up he's really going to have a very good year again.
It's amazing how this dude has gone all of the way from "dude you watch with a clenched butt because you never know when one of those 86 mph floaters is gonna get crushed" to "guy so routinely excellent we don't even bump this thread for an utterly effortless 8 inning outing." He's the best.
Quote from: SKO on May 08, 2018, 01:31:36 PM
It's amazing how this dude has gone all of the way from "dude you watch with a clenched butt because you never know when one of those 86 mph floaters is gonna get crushed" to "guy so routinely excellent we don't even bump this thread for an utterly effortless 8 inning outing." He's the best.
He's fulfilled our wildest dreams of being *looks back to the beginning of the thread* better than Randy Wells.
Jesus Christ are we all dumb.
Quote from: CT III on May 08, 2018, 02:39:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 08, 2018, 01:31:36 PM
It's amazing how this dude has gone all of the way from "dude you watch with a clenched butt because you never know when one of those 86 mph floaters is gonna get crushed" to "guy so routinely excellent we don't even bump this thread for an utterly effortless 8 inning outing." He's the best.
He's fulfilled our wildest dreams of being *looks back to the beginning of the thread* better than Randy Wells.
Jesus Christ are we all dumb.
All of us except *squints* Fork. Oh god.
Quote from: SKO on May 08, 2018, 02:58:46 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 08, 2018, 02:39:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 08, 2018, 01:31:36 PM
It's amazing how this dude has gone all of the way from "dude you watch with a clenched butt because you never know when one of those 86 mph floaters is gonna get crushed" to "guy so routinely excellent we don't even bump this thread for an utterly effortless 8 inning outing." He's the best.
He's fulfilled our wildest dreams of being *looks back to the beginning of the thread* better than Randy Wells.
Jesus Christ are we all dumb.
All of us except *squints* Fork. Oh god.
Please. Call me
Frank Pops.
Quote from: SKO on May 08, 2018, 02:58:46 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 08, 2018, 02:39:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 08, 2018, 01:31:36 PM
It's amazing how this dude has gone all of the way from "dude you watch with a clenched butt because you never know when one of those 86 mph floaters is gonna get crushed" to "guy so routinely excellent we don't even bump this thread for an utterly effortless 8 inning outing." He's the best.
He's fulfilled our wildest dreams of being *looks back to the beginning of the thread* better than Randy Wells.
Jesus Christ are we all dumb.
All of us except *squints* Fork. Oh god.
Although he did, on the very same page, also express absolute confidence that Alcantara would be a solid major league hitter, so... you know...
Quote from: Tonker on May 08, 2018, 04:53:13 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 08, 2018, 02:58:46 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 08, 2018, 02:39:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 08, 2018, 01:31:36 PM
It's amazing how this dude has gone all of the way from "dude you watch with a clenched butt because you never know when one of those 86 mph floaters is gonna get crushed" to "guy so routinely excellent we don't even bump this thread for an utterly effortless 8 inning outing." He's the best.
He's fulfilled our wildest dreams of being *looks back to the beginning of the thread* better than Randy Wells.
Jesus Christ are we all dumb.
All of us except *squints* Fork. Oh god.
Although he did, on the very same page, also express absolute confidence that Alcantara would be a solid major league hitter, so... you know...
I mean I think Nippon Professional Baseball is considered a major league over there
Is Bryant as good as Troy Glaus?
Quote from: Tonker on May 08, 2018, 04:53:13 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 08, 2018, 02:58:46 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 08, 2018, 02:39:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 08, 2018, 01:31:36 PM
It's amazing how this dude has gone all of the way from "dude you watch with a clenched butt because you never know when one of those 86 mph floaters is gonna get crushed" to "guy so routinely excellent we don't even bump this thread for an utterly effortless 8 inning outing." He's the best.
He's fulfilled our wildest dreams of being *looks back to the beginning of the thread* better than Randy Wells.
Jesus Christ are we all dumb.
All of us except *squints* Fork. Oh god.
Although he did, on the very same page, also express absolute confidence that Alcantara would be a solid major league hitter, so... you know...
Fork is the prognostication king. Through enough grand proclamations out there you're bound to be right occasionally.
I don't think it's too soon to start wondering whether Hendricks is broken somehow - indeed, I almost hope so because the alternative is that the league has figured him out. My eyes tell me that he doesn't have the same stuff he used to have - that ridiculous change is actually hittable now. Maybe his location just isn't as good - the pitches are the same but he's leaving them over the plate?
In any event, last night was the first time in over a month that he didn't give up a pretty resounding DONG (14 in 15 starts so far), and that was only because he left Rosario to do it for him. I'm on record as saying that the Professor was my favourite Cub to watch, but at the moment, not so much. Somebody reassure me.
Quote from: Tonker on June 22, 2018, 01:37:57 AM
I don't think it's too soon to start wondering whether Hendricks is broken somehow - indeed, I almost hope so because the alternative is that the league has figured him out. My eyes tell me that he doesn't have the same stuff he used to have - that ridiculous change is actually hittable now. Maybe his location just isn't as good - the pitches are the same but he's leaving them over the plate?
In any event, last night was the first time in over a month that he didn't give up a pretty resounding DONG (14 in 15 starts so far), and that was only because he left Rosario to do it for him. I'm on record as saying that the Professor was my favourite Cub to watch, but at the moment, not so much. Somebody reassure me.
The only thing I can hang my cat on is that his big brain will somehow adapt and make the next move.
Sorry, Tonker—that's all I got. Hopefully some statfaggot can find something more tangible point to reassure us. Hold me.
His velocity is fine, better than it was at this point last year before he was DL'd and his fastball was dipping down to 84 sometimes. He's consistently 87-89, even touched 90 once in his last start.
As for his changeup if you believe Fangraphs pitch weights his changeup has been even better than last year.
There appear to be two issues: he's throwing his curveball more, which he talked about in spring as something he was working on, but his curveball appears to be very, uh, shitty, and his fastball has gone from a positive value pitch to a negative value pitch, almost entirely because he doesn't appear to be locating it as well as he normally does. That was obviously the issue last night when he just inexplicably lost command of it.
He's fine physically is my guess, his mechanics are a little out of whack. I never understand how to actually read the release point charts on here (http://www.brooksbaseball.net/velo.php?player=543294&b_hand=-1&gFilt=&pFilt=FA%7CSI%7CFC%7CCU%7CSL%7CCS%7CKN%7CCH%7CFS%7CSB&time=month&minmax=ci&var=z0&s_type=2&startDate=03/30/2007&endDate=06/22/2018) but what is obvious is that his release points are definitely not where they were especially during the second half last year. He's had stretches like this before and was actually worse in the first half last year than he's been this year. He's been better in the second of half of every season he's been a Cub.
He's gonna be fine. Stop being panicky dipshits. Do you ungrateful sacks of shit not remember what it looked like when Carlos Zambrano struggled?! If a 6th inning meltdown raising your ace's first half era+ to a mere 11% better than league average still is enough to cause panic in these parts I'd say you're just entitled babies.
Quote from: SKO on June 22, 2018, 08:13:59 AM
His velocity is fine, better than it was at this point last year before he was DL'd and his fastball was dipping down to 84 sometimes. He's consistently 87-89, even touched 90 once in his last start.
As for his changeup if you believe Fangraphs pitch weights his changeup has been even better than last year.
There appear to be two issues: he's throwing his curveball more, which he talked about in spring as something he was working on, but his curveball appears to be very, uh, shitty, and his fastball has gone from a positive value pitch to a negative value pitch, almost entirely because he doesn't appear to be locating it as well as he normally does. That was obviously the issue last night when he just inexplicably lost command of it.
He's fine physically is my guess, his mechanics are a little out of whack. I never understand how to actually read the release point charts on here (http://www.brooksbaseball.net/velo.php?player=543294&b_hand=-1&gFilt=&pFilt=FA%7CSI%7CFC%7CCU%7CSL%7CCS%7CKN%7CCH%7CFS%7CSB&time=month&minmax=ci&var=z0&s_type=2&startDate=03/30/2007&endDate=06/22/2018) but what is obvious is that his release points are definitely not where they were especially during the second half last year. He's had stretches like this before and was actually worse in the first half last year than he's been this year. He's been better in the second of half of every season he's been a Cub.
He's gonna be fine. Stop being panicky dipshits. Do you ungrateful sacks of shit not remember what it looked like when Carlos Zambrano struggled?! If a 6th inning meltdown raising your ace's first half era+ to a mere 11% better than league average still is enough to cause panic in these parts I'd say you're just entitled babies.
That's the stuff.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on June 22, 2018, 07:32:42 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 22, 2018, 01:37:57 AM
I don't think it's too soon to start wondering whether Hendricks is broken somehow - indeed, I almost hope so because the alternative is that the league has figured him out. My eyes tell me that he doesn't have the same stuff he used to have - that ridiculous change is actually hittable now. Maybe his location just isn't as good - the pitches are the same but he's leaving them over the plate?
In any event, last night was the first time in over a month that he didn't give up a pretty resounding DONG (14 in 15 starts so far), and that was only because he left Rosario to do it for him. I'm on record as saying that the Professor was my favourite Cub to watch, but at the moment, not so much. Somebody reassure me.
The only thing I can hang my cat on is that his big brain will somehow adapt and make the next move.
Sorry, Tonker—that's all I got. Hopefully some statfaggot can find something more tangible point to reassure us. Hold me.
SPCA
Quote from: SKO on June 22, 2018, 08:13:59 AM
His velocity is fine, better than it was at this point last year before he was DL'd and his fastball was dipping down to 84 sometimes. He's consistently 87-89, even touched 90 once in his last start.
As for his changeup if you believe Fangraphs pitch weights his changeup has been even better than last year.
There appear to be two issues: he's throwing his curveball more, which he talked about in spring as something he was working on, but his curveball appears to be very, uh, shitty, and his fastball has gone from a positive value pitch to a negative value pitch, almost entirely because he doesn't appear to be locating it as well as he normally does. That was obviously the issue last night when he just inexplicably lost command of it.
He's fine physically is my guess, his mechanics are a little out of whack. I never understand how to actually read the release point charts on here (http://www.brooksbaseball.net/velo.php?player=543294&b_hand=-1&gFilt=&pFilt=FA%7CSI%7CFC%7CCU%7CSL%7CCS%7CKN%7CCH%7CFS%7CSB&time=month&minmax=ci&var=z0&s_type=2&startDate=03/30/2007&endDate=06/22/2018) but what is obvious is that his release points are definitely not where they were especially during the second half last year. He's had stretches like this before and was actually worse in the first half last year than he's been this year. He's been better in the second of half of every season he's been a Cub.
He's gonna be fine. Stop being panicky dipshits. Do you ungrateful sacks of shit not remember what it looked like when Carlos Zambrano struggled?! If a 6th inning meltdown raising your ace's first half era+ to a mere 11% better than league average still is enough to cause panic in these parts I'd say you're just entitled babies.
You better be right my god I'm turning to SKO for assurance.
HR/9 LgAv HR/FB
2016: 0.7 1.2 9.3%
2017: 1.1 1.3 14.8%
2018: 1.6 1.1 18.2%
Not trending the right way.
Even Hendricks himself says there's something wrong. (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/23931894) *sad face*
I'm definitely concerned but he said he's not hurt and again the velocity and stuff would indicate he's not hurt. His mechanics are definitely fucked right now, but I feel like if there's anyone I trust to sort that out it's him. But they need him to get it right quickly.
Quote from: SKO on June 28, 2018, 10:28:04 AM
I'm definitely concerned but he said he's not hurt and again the velocity and stuff would indicate he's not hurt. His mechanics are definitely fucked right now, but I feel like if there's anyone I trust to sort that out it's him. But they need him to get it right quickly.
His former pitching coach is available
Hopefully last night is the start of something.
Classic Hendricks last night--huge, huge performance in staring down Arizona's ace in a game that probably did as much to seal Arizona's fate as it did to bolster the Cubs' chances at a third straight division crown.
Watching that entire game was about as enjoyable as any activity including fucking and eating.
Quote from: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 18, 2018, 09:30:49 AM
Classic Hendricks last night--huge, huge performance in staring down Arizona's ace in a game that probably did as much to seal Arizona's fate as it did to bolster the Cubs' chances at a third straight division crown.
Watching that entire game was about as enjoyable as any activity including fucking and eating.
You eat when you fuck? Little bowl of cabbage on the nightstand, eh?
Quote from: Tonker on September 18, 2018, 09:45:03 AM
Quote from: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 18, 2018, 09:30:49 AM
Classic Hendricks last night--huge, huge performance in staring down Arizona's ace in a game that probably did as much to seal Arizona's fate as it did to bolster the Cubs' chances at a third straight division crown.
Watching that entire game was about as enjoyable as any activity including fucking and eating.
You eat when you fuck? Little bowl of cabbage on the nightstand, eh?
I didn't say fucking
while eating--though I did think of saying "fucking and eating and fucking while eating"....though I've never fucked while I ate and question how enjoyable that would actually be.
But anyway, Kyle Fucking Hendricks.
Quote from: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 18, 2018, 09:47:21 AM
Quote from: Tonker on September 18, 2018, 09:45:03 AM
Quote from: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 18, 2018, 09:30:49 AM
Classic Hendricks last night--huge, huge performance in staring down Arizona's ace in a game that probably did as much to seal Arizona's fate as it did to bolster the Cubs' chances at a third straight division crown.
Watching that entire game was about as enjoyable as any activity including fucking and eating.
You eat when you fuck? Little bowl of cabbage on the nightstand, eh?
I didn't say fucking while eating--though I did think of saying "fucking and eating and fucking while eating"....though I've never fucked while I ate and question how enjoyable that would actually be.
But anyway, Kyle Fucking Hendricks.
Selfish much
Y'all, I don't even want to think about Huey fucking OR eating.
Quote from: Bort on September 18, 2018, 11:37:36 AM
Y'all, I don't even want to think about Huey fucking OR eating.
I think this belongs in the 'I admit it...' thread.
Quote from: Bort on September 18, 2018, 11:37:36 AM
Y'all, I don't even want to think about Huey fucking OR eating.
Blame Tonker for opining about it; I had been talking in general, universal terms.
Quote from: Oleg on September 18, 2018, 11:40:13 AM
Quote from: Bort on September 18, 2018, 11:37:36 AM
Y'all, I don't even want to think about Huey fucking OR eating.
I think this belongs in the 'I admit it...' thread.
I should be ashamed of this?
Quote from: Bort on September 18, 2018, 11:57:47 AM
Quote from: Oleg on September 18, 2018, 11:40:13 AM
Quote from: Bort on September 18, 2018, 11:37:36 AM
Y'all, I don't even want to think about Huey fucking OR eating.
I think this belongs in the 'I admit it...' thread.
I should be ashamed of this?
Is that what that thread is for?
Quote from: Oleg on September 18, 2018, 01:00:45 PM
Quote from: Bort on September 18, 2018, 11:57:47 AM
Quote from: Oleg on September 18, 2018, 11:40:13 AM
Quote from: Bort on September 18, 2018, 11:37:36 AM
Y'all, I don't even want to think about Huey fucking OR eating.
I think this belongs in the 'I admit it...' thread.
I should be ashamed of this?
Is that what that thread is for?
This thread is for talking about not only what a pleasure it is to watch Kyle Hendricks on nights when he is a true master of his craft, but also to envision Huey having lots of sex while wearing his bike helmet and wolfing down a bag of 6-for-5-bucks tamales.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 18, 2018, 02:02:00 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 18, 2018, 01:00:45 PM
Quote from: Bort on September 18, 2018, 11:57:47 AM
Quote from: Oleg on September 18, 2018, 11:40:13 AM
Quote from: Bort on September 18, 2018, 11:37:36 AM
Y'all, I don't even want to think about Huey fucking OR eating.
I think this belongs in the 'I admit it...' thread.
I should be ashamed of this?
Is that what that thread is for?
This thread is for talking about not only what a pleasure it is to watch Kyle Hendricks on nights when he is a true master of his craft, but also to envision Huey having lots of sex while wearing his bike helmet and wolfing down a bag of 6-for-5-bucks tamales. potato tacos.
Meme'd
Bump for an 81-pitch whitewashing of the Morans from Boringtown.