Just getting an early start.
Won't need this thread for at least 3 or 4 more weeks.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 22, 2014, 10:16:31 PM
Just getting an early start.
Won't need this thread for at least 3 or 4 more weeks.
Why do you watch sports?
Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2014, 07:07:26 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 22, 2014, 10:16:31 PM
Just getting an early start.
Won't need this thread for at least 3 or 4 more weeks.
Why do you watch sports?
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I guess this is the Bears thread until they climb back to .500 and fuck up next year's draft even.
Per the internet the team has re-signed Eben (http://youtu.be/HeHm-tp_E0c?t=45s) Britton and cut Michael Spurlock.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 09, 2014, 03:35:50 PM
I guess this is the Bears thread until they climb back to .500 and fuck up next year's draft even.
Per the internet the team has re-signed Eben (http://youtu.be/HeHm-tp_E0c?t=45s) Britton and cut Michael Spurlock.
Shocking.
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Better keep that guy around as long as possible.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 12:47:44 AM
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Better keep that guy around as long as possible.
As pathetic as that looks, the images of Jackson blowing past however many millions of dollars worth of new linemen on his way to Conte's strip attempt are just as damaging to my equilibrium.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 10, 2014, 09:20:29 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 12:47:44 AM
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Better keep that guy around as long as possible.
As pathetic as that looks, the images of Jackson blowing past however many millions of dollars worth of new linemen on his way to Conte's strip attempt are just as damaging to my equilibrium.
wasn't their fault. They ran the read option. From what it looked like on film Lance Briggs jumped into the wrong gap and left a lane wide open. Lance said Ryan Mundy missed a check and was supposed to fill for Lance there. Either way that play isn't on the DL. Nor is it on Conte. I feel for the guy. Sure that looks awful but he knew the team was fucked. He tried to stand up Jackson and get a strip to give his team a chance when they were doomed. It was a heads up play. He just got outmuscled by a bigger, stronger individual.
Quote from: SKO on September 10, 2014, 09:28:48 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 10, 2014, 09:20:29 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 12:47:44 AM
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Better keep that guy around as long as possible.
As pathetic as that looks, the images of Jackson blowing past however many millions of dollars worth of new linemen on his way to Conte's strip attempt are just as damaging to my equilibrium.
wasn't their fault. They ran the read option. From what it looked like on film Lance Briggs jumped into the wrong gap and left a lane wide open. Lance said Ryan Mundy missed a check and was supposed to fill for Lance there. Either way that play isn't on the DL. Nor is it on Conte. I feel for the guy. Sure that looks awful but he knew the team was fucked. He tried to stand up Jackson and get a strip to give his team a chance when they were doomed. It was a heads up play. He just got outmuscled by a bigger, stronger individual.
HOT TAKE
With Marshall and Jeffery hurt I can't imagine the season goes anywhere but a top 10 pick. They're day-to-day so I assume they'll be able to play but being injured in week one means that's one nagging injury they're already dealing with. It'll only get worse.
I hate football.
Quote from: Slaky on September 10, 2014, 03:10:39 PM
With Marshall and Jeffery hurt I can't imagine the season goes anywhere but a top 10 pick. They're day-to-day so I assume they'll be able to play but being injured in week one means that's one nagging injury they're already dealing with. It'll only get worse.
I hate football.
I really don't think the injuries are that serious, and Brandon Marshall has a history of being productive even when hurt. He played all of 2012 on a hip injury that required surgery and had 1500 yards. I think there's plenty of reasons to be concerned about this team, but I'm not fretting those two being banged up with a twisted ankle and a mildly strained hammy.
Quote from: SKO on September 10, 2014, 03:40:00 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 10, 2014, 03:10:39 PM
With Marshall and Jeffery hurt I can't imagine the season goes anywhere but a top 10 pick. They're day-to-day so I assume they'll be able to play but being injured in week one means that's one nagging injury they're already dealing with. It'll only get worse.
I hate football.
I really don't think the injuries are that serious, and Brandon Marshall has a history of being productive even when hurt. He played all of 2012 on a hip injury that required surgery and had 1500 yards. I think there's plenty of reasons to be concerned about this team, but I'm not fretting those two being banged up with a twisted ankle and a mildly strained hammy.
That's good. I actually am concerned.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 10, 2014, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 10, 2014, 03:40:00 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 10, 2014, 03:10:39 PM
With Marshall and Jeffery hurt I can't imagine the season goes anywhere but a top 10 pick. They're day-to-day so I assume they'll be able to play but being injured in week one means that's one nagging injury they're already dealing with. It'll only get worse.
I hate football.
I really don't think the injuries are that serious, and Brandon Marshall has a history of being productive even when hurt. He played all of 2012 on a hip injury that required surgery and had 1500 yards. I think there's plenty of reasons to be concerned about this team, but I'm not fretting those two being banged up with a twisted ankle and a mildly strained hammy.
That's good. I actually am concerned.
the way the team is built it's very easy to see them going 10-6 or 6-10. The defense isn't good enough to keep the games from being fairly close, and so the onus is on the offense to score 25-35 every week to win. If they rack up 400+ yards and then dick themselves out of points with turnovers, they lose. It's simple. It's also entirely impossible to prognosticate where they'll go from here.
Also if you're worried about any of the other injuries like Slauson or Garza, De La Puente is better and younger than Garza and had the highest grade of anyone on the team from PFF after he came in. Ola oddly enough had the highest grade of any guard in the NFL after week one. I don't know if he can keep that up, but the offensive line depth is obviously far better than it used to be and barring More injuries I don't see pass protection being a major issue, at least.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 10, 2014, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 10, 2014, 03:40:00 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 10, 2014, 03:10:39 PM
With Marshall and Jeffery hurt I can't imagine the season goes anywhere but a top 10 pick. They're day-to-day so I assume they'll be able to play but being injured in week one means that's one nagging injury they're already dealing with. It'll only get worse.
I hate football.
I really don't think the injuries are that serious, and Brandon Marshall has a history of being productive even when hurt. He played all of 2012 on a hip injury that required surgery and had 1500 yards. I think there's plenty of reasons to be concerned about this team, but I'm not fretting those two being banged up with a twisted ankle and a mildly strained hammy.
That's good. I actually am concerned.
I'm not going to blow smoke up your ass. I'm terrified. But there's still reason to think these cuakers aren't done. There's just, like, as many reasons to think they are.
Quote from: SKO on September 10, 2014, 03:57:32 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 10, 2014, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 10, 2014, 03:40:00 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 10, 2014, 03:10:39 PM
With Marshall and Jeffery hurt I can't imagine the season goes anywhere but a top 10 pick. They're day-to-day so I assume they'll be able to play but being injured in week one means that's one nagging injury they're already dealing with. It'll only get worse.
I hate football.
I really don't think the injuries are that serious, and Brandon Marshall has a history of being productive even when hurt. He played all of 2012 on a hip injury that required surgery and had 1500 yards. I think there's plenty of reasons to be concerned about this team, but I'm not fretting those two being banged up with a twisted ankle and a mildly strained hammy.
That's good. I actually am concerned.
I'm not going to blow smoke up your ass. I'm terrified. But there's still reason to think these cuakers aren't done. There's just, like, as many reasons to think they are.
If you the reasons to think you're done equal the reasons to think you aren't done, you're done.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 10, 2014, 04:02:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 10, 2014, 03:57:32 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 10, 2014, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 10, 2014, 03:40:00 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 10, 2014, 03:10:39 PM
With Marshall and Jeffery hurt I can't imagine the season goes anywhere but a top 10 pick. They're day-to-day so I assume they'll be able to play but being injured in week one means that's one nagging injury they're already dealing with. It'll only get worse.
I hate football.
I really don't think the injuries are that serious, and Brandon Marshall has a history of being productive even when hurt. He played all of 2012 on a hip injury that required surgery and had 1500 yards. I think there's plenty of reasons to be concerned about this team, but I'm not fretting those two being banged up with a twisted ankle and a mildly strained hammy.
That's good. I actually am concerned.
I'm not going to blow smoke up your ass. I'm terrified. But there's still reason to think these cuakers aren't done. There's just, like, as many reasons to think they are.
If you the reasons to think you're done equal the reasons to think you aren't done, you're done.
Maybe? Despite the raw rushing totals, the run defense was better than most of the second half of last year. They held the Bills to 4/12 on third down with their average distance to go being 3rd and 7. The Bills had two drives of 40 yards or more. They got 13 of their points off turnovers and gained 28 yards total on those scoring drives. It wasn't quite the relentless soul-crushing they suffered at the hands of nobodies like Kellen Clemens and Bennie Cunningham last year. There's talent on that defense. I'm not sure that all of it is being used properly (Willie Young needs to play more than Jared Allen, Sutton/Ferguson need more playing time than Stephen Paea). Bostic had a nice game. Shea was a non-entity. Hopefully Christian Jones will snare that job before too long. They were good enough that the team could have won with them and I think they can be better. I know the offense can manage to Not commit 3 soul-crushing turnovers every week. But whether they'll put it all together at the same time in enough weeks to be a playoff team, I don't know.
I don't think a few turnover suddenly made this offense crappy, and we were mostly on board with the "good offense, 20ish ranked defense equals 9 to 11 wins train at one point, I thought? But again, I never imagined they'd lose to Buffalo so okay.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 10, 2014, 04:02:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 10, 2014, 03:57:32 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 10, 2014, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 10, 2014, 03:40:00 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 10, 2014, 03:10:39 PM
With Marshall and Jeffery hurt I can't imagine the season goes anywhere but a top 10 pick. They're day-to-day so I assume they'll be able to play but being injured in week one means that's one nagging injury they're already dealing with. It'll only get worse.
I hate football.
I really don't think the injuries are that serious, and Brandon Marshall has a history of being productive even when hurt. He played all of 2012 on a hip injury that required surgery and had 1500 yards. I think there's plenty of reasons to be concerned about this team, but I'm not fretting those two being banged up with a twisted ankle and a mildly strained hammy.
That's good. I actually am concerned.
I'm not going to blow smoke up your ass. I'm terrified. But there's still reason to think these cuakers aren't done. There's just, like, as many reasons to think they are.
If you the reasons to think you're done equal the reasons to think you aren't done, you're done.
No YOU the reasons.
Quote from: SKO on September 10, 2014, 04:24:58 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 10, 2014, 04:02:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 10, 2014, 03:57:32 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 10, 2014, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 10, 2014, 03:40:00 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 10, 2014, 03:10:39 PM
With Marshall and Jeffery hurt I can't imagine the season goes anywhere but a top 10 pick. They're day-to-day so I assume they'll be able to play but being injured in week one means that's one nagging injury they're already dealing with. It'll only get worse.
I hate football.
I really don't think the injuries are that serious, and Brandon Marshall has a history of being productive even when hurt. He played all of 2012 on a hip injury that required surgery and had 1500 yards. I think there's plenty of reasons to be concerned about this team, but I'm not fretting those two being banged up with a twisted ankle and a mildly strained hammy.
That's good. I actually am concerned.
I'm not going to blow smoke up your ass. I'm terrified. But there's still reason to think these cuakers aren't done. There's just, like, as many reasons to think they are.
If you the reasons to think you're done equal the reasons to think you aren't done, you're done.
Maybe? Despite the raw rushing totals, the run defense was better than most of the second half of last year. They held the Bills to 4/12 on third down with their average distance to go being 3rd and 7. The Bills had two drives of 40 yards or more. They got 13 of their points off turnovers and gained 28 yards total on those scoring drives. It wasn't quite the relentless soul-crushing they suffered at the hands of nobodies like Kellen Clemens and Bennie Cunningham last year. There's talent on that defense. I'm not sure that all of it is being used properly (Willie Young needs to play more than Jared Allen, Sutton/Ferguson need more playing time than Stephen Paea). Bostic had a nice game. Shea was a non-entity. Hopefully Christian Jones will snare that job before too long. They were good enough that the team could have won with them and I think they can be better. I know the offense can manage to Not commit 3 soul-crushing turnovers every week. But whether they'll put it all together at the same time in enough weeks to be a playoff team, I don't know.
I don't think a few turnover suddenly made this offense crappy, and we were mostly on board with the "good offense, 20ish ranked defense equals 9 to 11 wins train at one point, I thought? But again, I never imagined they'd lose to Buffalo so okay.
The Buffalo game was chalked up as a win by everyone. Which means they've gotta beat someone they aren't supposed to. Even if they do...I mean they just aren't in that Seattle/SF class. Even if they end up winning the division that's still true.
Quote from: Slaky on September 10, 2014, 05:00:49 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 10, 2014, 04:24:58 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 10, 2014, 04:02:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 10, 2014, 03:57:32 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 10, 2014, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 10, 2014, 03:40:00 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 10, 2014, 03:10:39 PM
With Marshall and Jeffery hurt I can't imagine the season goes anywhere but a top 10 pick. They're day-to-day so I assume they'll be able to play but being injured in week one means that's one nagging injury they're already dealing with. It'll only get worse.
I hate football.
I really don't think the injuries are that serious, and Brandon Marshall has a history of being productive even when hurt. He played all of 2012 on a hip injury that required surgery and had 1500 yards. I think there's plenty of reasons to be concerned about this team, but I'm not fretting those two being banged up with a twisted ankle and a mildly strained hammy.
That's good. I actually am concerned.
I'm not going to blow smoke up your ass. I'm terrified. But there's still reason to think these cuakers aren't done. There's just, like, as many reasons to think they are.
If you the reasons to think you're done equal the reasons to think you aren't done, you're done.
Maybe? Despite the raw rushing totals, the run defense was better than most of the second half of last year. They held the Bills to 4/12 on third down with their average distance to go being 3rd and 7. The Bills had two drives of 40 yards or more. They got 13 of their points off turnovers and gained 28 yards total on those scoring drives. It wasn't quite the relentless soul-crushing they suffered at the hands of nobodies like Kellen Clemens and Bennie Cunningham last year. There's talent on that defense. I'm not sure that all of it is being used properly (Willie Young needs to play more than Jared Allen, Sutton/Ferguson need more playing time than Stephen Paea). Bostic had a nice game. Shea was a non-entity. Hopefully Christian Jones will snare that job before too long. They were good enough that the team could have won with them and I think they can be better. I know the offense can manage to Not commit 3 soul-crushing turnovers every week. But whether they'll put it all together at the same time in enough weeks to be a playoff team, I don't know.
I don't think a few turnover suddenly made this offense crappy, and we were mostly on board with the "good offense, 20ish ranked defense equals 9 to 11 wins train at one point, I thought? But again, I never imagined they'd lose to Buffalo so okay.
The Buffalo game was chalked up as a win by everyone. Which means they've gotta beat someone they aren't supposed to. Even if they do...I mean they just aren't in that Seattle/SF class. Even if they end up winning the division that's still true.
Well no shit but if "the Bears need to be as good as the two best teams in the league including one that may legitimately be one of the most talented teams ever" was your only hope this year you should probably have skipped the Buffalo game. Just make the playoffs and anything can happen. Ask Eli Manning.
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
If this is "The Cutler Game" we've all been waiting our entire lives for, they won't get embarrassed.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 11, 2014, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
If this is "The Cutler Game" we've all been waiting our entire lives for, they won't get embarrassed.
Realistically, what would "The Cutler Game" look like?
Are you talking about him just hitting on all cylinders and he goes say, 25-32 for 400+ and 5 TDs? Or are you talking about leading some perfect game winning drive that leaves no time on the clock?
Please elaborate.
Quote from: Slaky on September 11, 2014, 09:41:34 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 11, 2014, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
If this is "The Cutler Game" we've all been waiting our entire lives for, they won't get embarrassed.
Realistically, what would "The Cutler Game" look like?
Are you talking about him just hitting on all cylinders and he goes say, 25-32 for 400+ and 5 TDs? Or are you talking about leading some perfect game winning drive that leaves no time on the clock?
Please elaborate.
Lots of smiles and high fives would be a good start.
Quote from: Slaky on September 11, 2014, 09:41:34 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 11, 2014, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
If this is "The Cutler Game" we've all been waiting our entire lives for, they won't get embarrassed.
Realistically, what would "The Cutler Game" look like?
Are you talking about him just hitting on all cylinders and he goes say, 25-32 for 400+ and 5 TDs? Or are you talking about leading some perfect game winning drive that leaves no time on the clock?
Please elaborate.
Yes.
Quote from: BH on September 11, 2014, 09:47:07 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 11, 2014, 09:41:34 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 11, 2014, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
If this is "The Cutler Game" we've all been waiting our entire lives for, they won't get embarrassed.
Realistically, what would "The Cutler Game" look like?
Are you talking about him just hitting on all cylinders and he goes say, 25-32 for 400+ and 5 TDs? Or are you talking about leading some perfect game winning drive that leaves no time on the clock?
Please elaborate.
Lots of smiles and high fives would be a good start.
A game where he plays like Andrew Luck.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
FWIW, the 49ers didn't look all that great last week.
Romo basically gave them the game and then they just held on to win it.
The defense has a lot of losses from last year, Crabtree didn't click well with Kaep in the first game and the running game wasn't overly impressive until the very end of the game, against a team that's supposed to have one of the worst defenses in the league, if not the history of the league.
So yeah...probably like 27-10 49ers.
Quote from: PANK! on September 11, 2014, 09:47:23 AM
Quote from: Slaky on September 11, 2014, 09:41:34 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 11, 2014, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
If this is "The Cutler Game" we've all been waiting our entire lives for, they won't get embarrassed.
Realistically, what would "The Cutler Game" look like?
Are you talking about him just hitting on all cylinders and he goes say, 25-32 for 400+ and 5 TDs? Or are you talking about leading some perfect game winning drive that leaves no time on the clock?
Please elaborate.
Yes.
I'm thinking 65% completions for 400 yards and 4 TDs, no turnovers and that glorious up your fucking ass drive at the end on NBC in front of Gord and everybody.
"The Cutler Game."
And I realize that isn't happening without semi-functional 15 and 17 on the field at the same time.
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
FWIW, the 49ers didn't look all that great last week.
Romo basically gave them the game and then they just held on to win it.
The defense has a lot of losses from last year, Crabtree didn't click well with Kaep in the first game and the running game wasn't overly impressive until the very end of the game, against a team that's supposed to have one of the worst defenses in the league, if not the history of the league.
So yeah...probably like 27-10 49ers.
I completely disagree. 45-27 49ers. Kaep runs wild on this defense, the Bears offense will have a good but ultimately futile effort, Cutler will get the blame for his desperation fourth quarter heave that's picked off and returned for the final Niners touchdown. Cutler finally snaps and says "seriously, fuck you people" during the postgame presser, Emery takes Dan Bernstein's advice and releases him after Jay refuses sensitivity training. The Bears rally behind Notre Dame alum Jimmy Clausen to go 9-5 the rest of the way and sneak in as the 6 seed. Jay dies of the measles after one his unvaccinated kids contaminates him and KCav tells him all western medicine is bad in general. The 30 for 30 comes out a few years later. "What if I told you about a Quarterback who could have been the greatest if he'd only smiled?"
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 10:26:10 AM
The 30 for 30 comes out a few years later. "What if I told you about a Quarterback who could have been the greatest if he'd only smiled?"
Solid.
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 10:26:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 10:12:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
FWIW, the 49ers didn't look all that great last week.
Romo basically gave them the game and then they just held on to win it.
The defense has a lot of losses from last year, Crabtree didn't click well with Kaep in the first game and the running game wasn't overly impressive until the very end of the game, against a team that's supposed to have one of the worst defenses in the league, if not the history of the league.
So yeah...probably like 27-10 49ers.
I completely disagree. 45-27 49ers. Kaep runs wild on this defense, the Bears offense will have a good but ultimately futile effort, Cutler will get the blame for his desperation fourth quarter heave that's picked off and returned for the final Niners touchdown. Cutler finally snaps and says "seriously, fuck you people" during the postgame presser, Emery takes Dan Bernstein's advice and releases him after Jay refuses sensitivity training. The Bears rally behind Notre Dame alum Jimmy Clausen to go 9-5 the rest of the way and sneak in as the 6 seed. Jay dies of the measles after one his unvaccinated kids contaminates him Roger Goddell has one of his minions infect Jay to get the heat off him after TMZ releases a video showing the commish actively masterbating to the Ray Rice elevator tape with a Wall Street Jounal dated February 28, 2014 in the backgroundand KCav tells him all western medicine is bad in general. The 30 for 30 comes out a few years later. "What if I told you about a Quarterback who could have been the greatest if he'd only smiled?"
Well played-- but I think you may be missing a wrinkle
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 10:26:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 10:12:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
FWIW, the 49ers didn't look all that great last week.
Romo basically gave them the game and then they just held on to win it.
The defense has a lot of losses from last year, Crabtree didn't click well with Kaep in the first game and the running game wasn't overly impressive until the very end of the game, against a team that's supposed to have one of the worst defenses in the league, if not the history of the league.
So yeah...probably like 27-10 49ers.
I completely disagree. 45-27 49ers. Kaep runs wild on this defense, the Bears offense will have a good but ultimately futile effort, Cutler will get the blame for his desperation fourth quarter heave that's picked off and returned for the final Niners touchdown. Cutler finally snaps and says "seriously, fuck you people" during the postgame presser, Emery takes Dan Bernstein's advice and releases him after Jay refuses sensitivity training. The Bears rally behind Notre Dame alum Jimmy Clausen to go 9-5 the rest of the way and sneak in as the 6 seed. Jay dies of the measles after one his unvaccinated kids contaminates him and KCav tells him all western medicine is bad in general. The 30 for 30 comes out a few years later. "What if I told you about a Quarterback who could have been the greatest if he'd only smiled?"
So, you completely disagree that they'll lose by 17 and think they'll lose by 18.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 10:26:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 10:12:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
FWIW, the 49ers didn't look all that great last week.
Romo basically gave them the game and then they just held on to win it.
The defense has a lot of losses from last year, Crabtree didn't click well with Kaep in the first game and the running game wasn't overly impressive until the very end of the game, against a team that's supposed to have one of the worst defenses in the league, if not the history of the league.
So yeah...probably like 27-10 49ers.
I completely disagree. 45-27 49ers. Kaep runs wild on this defense, the Bears offense will have a good but ultimately futile effort, Cutler will get the blame for his desperation fourth quarter heave that's picked off and returned for the final Niners touchdown. Cutler finally snaps and says "seriously, fuck you people" during the postgame presser, Emery takes Dan Bernstein's advice and releases him after Jay refuses sensitivity training. The Bears rally behind Notre Dame alum Jimmy Clausen to go 9-5 the rest of the way and sneak in as the 6 seed. Jay dies of the measles after one his unvaccinated kids contaminates him and KCav tells him all western medicine is bad in general. The 30 for 30 comes out a few years later. "What if I told you about a Quarterback who could have been the greatest if he'd only smiled?"
So, you completely disagree that they'll lose by 17 and think they'll lose by 18.
I think you really did not understand what I said if that's the thing you're harping on.
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 01:12:46 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 10:26:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 10:12:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
FWIW, the 49ers didn't look all that great last week.
Romo basically gave them the game and then they just held on to win it.
The defense has a lot of losses from last year, Crabtree didn't click well with Kaep in the first game and the running game wasn't overly impressive until the very end of the game, against a team that's supposed to have one of the worst defenses in the league, if not the history of the league.
So yeah...probably like 27-10 49ers.
I completely disagree. 45-27 49ers. Kaep runs wild on this defense, the Bears offense will have a good but ultimately futile effort, Cutler will get the blame for his desperation fourth quarter heave that's picked off and returned for the final Niners touchdown. Cutler finally snaps and says "seriously, fuck you people" during the postgame presser, Emery takes Dan Bernstein's advice and releases him after Jay refuses sensitivity training. The Bears rally behind Notre Dame alum Jimmy Clausen to go 9-5 the rest of the way and sneak in as the 6 seed. Jay dies of the measles after one his unvaccinated kids contaminates him and KCav tells him all western medicine is bad in general. The 30 for 30 comes out a few years later. "What if I told you about a Quarterback who could have been the greatest if he'd only smiled?"
So, you completely disagree that they'll lose by 17 and think they'll lose by 18.
I think you really did not understand what I said if that's the thing you're harping on.
I stopped reading after that. What were you saying?
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 01:21:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 01:12:46 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 10:26:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 10:12:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
FWIW, the 49ers didn't look all that great last week.
Romo basically gave them the game and then they just held on to win it.
The defense has a lot of losses from last year, Crabtree didn't click well with Kaep in the first game and the running game wasn't overly impressive until the very end of the game, against a team that's supposed to have one of the worst defenses in the league, if not the history of the league.
So yeah...probably like 27-10 49ers.
I completely disagree. 45-27 49ers. Kaep runs wild on this defense, the Bears offense will have a good but ultimately futile effort, Cutler will get the blame for his desperation fourth quarter heave that's picked off and returned for the final Niners touchdown. Cutler finally snaps and says "seriously, fuck you people" during the postgame presser, Emery takes Dan Bernstein's advice and releases him after Jay refuses sensitivity training. The Bears rally behind Notre Dame alum Jimmy Clausen to go 9-5 the rest of the way and sneak in as the 6 seed. Jay dies of the measles after one his unvaccinated kids contaminates him and KCav tells him all western medicine is bad in general. The 30 for 30 comes out a few years later. "What if I told you about a Quarterback who could have been the greatest if he'd only smiled?"
So, you completely disagree that they'll lose by 17 and think they'll lose by 18.
I think you really did not understand what I said if that's the thing you're harping on.
I stopped reading after that. What were you saying?
Girls just wanna have fun.
Quote from: Fork on September 11, 2014, 01:53:22 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 01:21:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 01:12:46 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 10:26:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 10:12:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
FWIW, the 49ers didn't look all that great last week.
Romo basically gave them the game and then they just held on to win it.
The defense has a lot of losses from last year, Crabtree didn't click well with Kaep in the first game and the running game wasn't overly impressive until the very end of the game, against a team that's supposed to have one of the worst defenses in the league, if not the history of the league.
So yeah...probably like 27-10 49ers.
I completely disagree. 45-27 49ers. Kaep runs wild on this defense, the Bears offense will have a good but ultimately futile effort, Cutler will get the blame for his desperation fourth quarter heave that's picked off and returned for the final Niners touchdown. Cutler finally snaps and says "seriously, fuck you people" during the postgame presser, Emery takes Dan Bernstein's advice and releases him after Jay refuses sensitivity training. The Bears rally behind Notre Dame alum Jimmy Clausen to go 9-5 the rest of the way and sneak in as the 6 seed. Jay dies of the measles after one his unvaccinated kids contaminates him and KCav tells him all western medicine is bad in general. The 30 for 30 comes out a few years later. "What if I told you about a Quarterback who could have been the greatest if he'd only smiled?"
So, you completely disagree that they'll lose by 17 and think they'll lose by 18.
I think you really did not understand what I said if that's the thing you're harping on.
I stopped reading after that. What were you saying?
Girls just wanna have fun.
If Marshall and Alshon are really both out, I'd like to revise my estimate of 10 points for the Bears.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 05:04:13 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 11, 2014, 01:53:22 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 01:21:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 01:12:46 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 10:26:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 10:12:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
FWIW, the 49ers didn't look all that great last week.
Romo basically gave them the game and then they just held on to win it.
The defense has a lot of losses from last year, Crabtree didn't click well with Kaep in the first game and the running game wasn't overly impressive until the very end of the game, against a team that's supposed to have one of the worst defenses in the league, if not the history of the league.
So yeah...probably like 27-10 49ers.
I completely disagree. 45-27 49ers. Kaep runs wild on this defense, the Bears offense will have a good but ultimately futile effort, Cutler will get the blame for his desperation fourth quarter heave that's picked off and returned for the final Niners touchdown. Cutler finally snaps and says "seriously, fuck you people" during the postgame presser, Emery takes Dan Bernstein's advice and releases him after Jay refuses sensitivity training. The Bears rally behind Notre Dame alum Jimmy Clausen to go 9-5 the rest of the way and sneak in as the 6 seed. Jay dies of the measles after one his unvaccinated kids contaminates him and KCav tells him all western medicine is bad in general. The 30 for 30 comes out a few years later. "What if I told you about a Quarterback who could have been the greatest if he'd only smiled?"
So, you completely disagree that they'll lose by 17 and think they'll lose by 18.
I think you really did not understand what I said if that's the thing you're harping on.
I stopped reading after that. What were you saying?
Girls just wanna have fun.
If Marshall and Alshon are really both out, I'd like to revise my estimate of 10 points for the Bears.
My money is on Marshall playing. Jeffery I don't know. They've been disturbingly evasive about his injury from the start.
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 06:08:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 05:04:13 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 11, 2014, 01:53:22 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 01:21:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 01:12:46 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 10:26:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 10:12:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
FWIW, the 49ers didn't look all that great last week.
Romo basically gave them the game and then they just held on to win it.
The defense has a lot of losses from last year, Crabtree didn't click well with Kaep in the first game and the running game wasn't overly impressive until the very end of the game, against a team that's supposed to have one of the worst defenses in the league, if not the history of the league.
So yeah...probably like 27-10 49ers.
I completely disagree. 45-27 49ers. Kaep runs wild on this defense, the Bears offense will have a good but ultimately futile effort, Cutler will get the blame for his desperation fourth quarter heave that's picked off and returned for the final Niners touchdown. Cutler finally snaps and says "seriously, fuck you people" during the postgame presser, Emery takes Dan Bernstein's advice and releases him after Jay refuses sensitivity training. The Bears rally behind Notre Dame alum Jimmy Clausen to go 9-5 the rest of the way and sneak in as the 6 seed. Jay dies of the measles after one his unvaccinated kids contaminates him and KCav tells him all western medicine is bad in general. The 30 for 30 comes out a few years later. "What if I told you about a Quarterback who could have been the greatest if he'd only smiled?"
So, you completely disagree that they'll lose by 17 and think they'll lose by 18.
I think you really did not understand what I said if that's the thing you're harping on.
I stopped reading after that. What were you saying?
Girls just wanna have fun.
If Marshall and Alshon are really both out, I'd like to revise my estimate of 10 points for the Bears.
My money is on Marshall playing. Jeffery I don't know. They've been disturbingly evasive about his injury from the start.
They shouldn't be saying much about any injury that a player might hope to play through. Ever. None of has a right to know what is going on with these guys. Why give the 49ers or any opponent any useful information?
Quote from: InternetApex on September 12, 2014, 08:50:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 06:08:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 05:04:13 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 11, 2014, 01:53:22 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 01:21:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 01:12:46 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 10:26:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 10:12:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
FWIW, the 49ers didn't look all that great last week.
Romo basically gave them the game and then they just held on to win it.
The defense has a lot of losses from last year, Crabtree didn't click well with Kaep in the first game and the running game wasn't overly impressive until the very end of the game, against a team that's supposed to have one of the worst defenses in the league, if not the history of the league.
So yeah...probably like 27-10 49ers.
I completely disagree. 45-27 49ers. Kaep runs wild on this defense, the Bears offense will have a good but ultimately futile effort, Cutler will get the blame for his desperation fourth quarter heave that's picked off and returned for the final Niners touchdown. Cutler finally snaps and says "seriously, fuck you people" during the postgame presser, Emery takes Dan Bernstein's advice and releases him after Jay refuses sensitivity training. The Bears rally behind Notre Dame alum Jimmy Clausen to go 9-5 the rest of the way and sneak in as the 6 seed. Jay dies of the measles after one his unvaccinated kids contaminates him and KCav tells him all western medicine is bad in general. The 30 for 30 comes out a few years later. "What if I told you about a Quarterback who could have been the greatest if he'd only smiled?"
So, you completely disagree that they'll lose by 17 and think they'll lose by 18.
I think you really did not understand what I said if that's the thing you're harping on.
I stopped reading after that. What were you saying?
Girls just wanna have fun.
If Marshall and Alshon are really both out, I'd like to revise my estimate of 10 points for the Bears.
My money is on Marshall playing. Jeffery I don't know. They've been disturbingly evasive about his injury from the start.
They shouldn't be saying much about any injury that a player might hope to play through. Ever. None of has a right to know what is going on with these guys. Why give the 49ers or any opponent any useful information?
Exactly. Alshon's hammy has never been better. Trestman's just playing the Belichick game. Hell, Alshon donated his hammy to science because he didn't even need it. He's that good.
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2014, 08:52:12 AM
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Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 06:08:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 05:04:13 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 11, 2014, 01:53:22 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 01:21:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 01:12:46 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 10:26:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 10:12:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
FWIW, the 49ers didn't look all that great last week.
Romo basically gave them the game and then they just held on to win it.
The defense has a lot of losses from last year, Crabtree didn't click well with Kaep in the first game and the running game wasn't overly impressive until the very end of the game, against a team that's supposed to have one of the worst defenses in the league, if not the history of the league.
So yeah...probably like 27-10 49ers.
I completely disagree. 45-27 49ers. Kaep runs wild on this defense, the Bears offense will have a good but ultimately futile effort, Cutler will get the blame for his desperation fourth quarter heave that's picked off and returned for the final Niners touchdown. Cutler finally snaps and says "seriously, fuck you people" during the postgame presser, Emery takes Dan Bernstein's advice and releases him after Jay refuses sensitivity training. The Bears rally behind Notre Dame alum Jimmy Clausen to go 9-5 the rest of the way and sneak in as the 6 seed. Jay dies of the measles after one his unvaccinated kids contaminates him and KCav tells him all western medicine is bad in general. The 30 for 30 comes out a few years later. "What if I told you about a Quarterback who could have been the greatest if he'd only smiled?"
So, you completely disagree that they'll lose by 17 and think they'll lose by 18.
I think you really did not understand what I said if that's the thing you're harping on.
I stopped reading after that. What were you saying?
Girls just wanna have fun.
If Marshall and Alshon are really both out, I'd like to revise my estimate of 10 points for the Bears.
My money is on Marshall playing. Jeffery I don't know. They've been disturbingly evasive about his injury from the start.
They shouldn't be saying much about any injury that a player might hope to play through. Ever. None of has a right to know what is going on with these guys. Why give the 49ers or any opponent any useful information?
Exactly. Alshon's hammy has never been better. Trestman's just playing the Belichick game. Hell, Alshon donated his hammy to science because he didn't even need it. He's that good.
"Actually, his hamstring is a little bit sore. Not like pulled, but tweaked. You know he probably shouldn't go full tilt or anything. Some routes he should be fine like fades and little outs and stuff but nothing deep, nothing down the sidelines. Also one good shot to the back of the leg would probably do him in. So, we're hoping to just limit the plays we can call while he is in the game because it's in his best interest and ours. Any other questions, guys? Seriously, ask me anything."
Quote from: InternetApex on September 12, 2014, 08:57:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2014, 08:52:12 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 12, 2014, 08:50:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 06:08:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 05:04:13 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 11, 2014, 01:53:22 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 01:21:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 01:12:46 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 11, 2014, 10:26:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 11, 2014, 10:12:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
FWIW, the 49ers didn't look all that great last week.
Romo basically gave them the game and then they just held on to win it.
The defense has a lot of losses from last year, Crabtree didn't click well with Kaep in the first game and the running game wasn't overly impressive until the very end of the game, against a team that's supposed to have one of the worst defenses in the league, if not the history of the league.
So yeah...probably like 27-10 49ers.
I completely disagree. 45-27 49ers. Kaep runs wild on this defense, the Bears offense will have a good but ultimately futile effort, Cutler will get the blame for his desperation fourth quarter heave that's picked off and returned for the final Niners touchdown. Cutler finally snaps and says "seriously, fuck you people" during the postgame presser, Emery takes Dan Bernstein's advice and releases him after Jay refuses sensitivity training. The Bears rally behind Notre Dame alum Jimmy Clausen to go 9-5 the rest of the way and sneak in as the 6 seed. Jay dies of the measles after one his unvaccinated kids contaminates him and KCav tells him all western medicine is bad in general. The 30 for 30 comes out a few years later. "What if I told you about a Quarterback who could have been the greatest if he'd only smiled?"
So, you completely disagree that they'll lose by 17 and think they'll lose by 18.
I think you really did not understand what I said if that's the thing you're harping on.
I stopped reading after that. What were you saying?
Girls just wanna have fun.
If Marshall and Alshon are really both out, I'd like to revise my estimate of 10 points for the Bears.
My money is on Marshall playing. Jeffery I don't know. They've been disturbingly evasive about his injury from the start.
They shouldn't be saying much about any injury that a player might hope to play through. Ever. None of has a right to know what is going on with these guys. Why give the 49ers or any opponent any useful information?
Exactly. Alshon's hammy has never been better. Trestman's just playing the Belichick game. Hell, Alshon donated his hammy to science because he didn't even need it. He's that good.
"Actually, his hamstring is a little bit sore. Not like pulled, but tweaked. You know he probably shouldn't go full tilt or anything. Some routes he should be fine like fades and little outs and stuff but nothing deep, nothing down the sidelines. Also one good shot to the back of the leg would probably do him in. So, we're hoping to just limit the plays we can call while he is in the game because it's in his best interest and ours. Any other questions, guys? Seriously, ask me anything."
I get witholding information. I just fear hamstring injuries more than just about anything for a position like wide receiver. I think it might honestly just be best to hold him out if there's even a question. An ankle injury like Marshall's is less likely to result in serious injury, so if he can bear the pain, send him out. But don't have Alshon tear his hammy when Santonio is a perfectly capable backup.
I'm unsure about Santonio but I don't think it matters much. I saw the play that Jeffrey got hurt on Sunday. It looked like he got hit in the lower leg head-on, and stayed down on the ground a little bit on the sideline. The next time we saw him, he was on his back on the trainer's table in some amount of real pain while they tried to bend his right knee. In my mind it looked like a contusion had swollen up to the point that he had limited flexibility in that leg. Then they said nothing for like an hour and then finally said, "Hamstring, Probable." Why would they hold him out except for special situations? Because he couldn't bend his knee properly and it hurt like dick probably. I really expect Alshon to play on Sunday. My belief is that Marshall is the more injured of the two but that he's fucking insane and will try to play until they tell him no or shoot him.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 12, 2014, 09:55:13 AM
I'm unsure about Santonio but I don't think it matters much. I saw the play that Jeffrey got hurt on Sunday. It looked like he got hit in the lower leg head-on, and stayed down on the ground a little bit on the sideline. The next time we saw him, he was on his back on the trainer's table in some amount of real pain while they tried to bend his right knee. In my mind it looked like a contusion had swollen up to the point that he had limited flexibility in that leg. Then they said nothing for like an hour and then finally said, "Hamstring, Probable." Why would they hold him out except for special situations? Because he couldn't bend his knee properly and it hurt like dick probably. I really expect Alshon to play on Sunday. My belief is that Marshall is the more injured of the two but that he's fucking insane and will try to play until they tell him no or shoot him.
I think Santonio looked good for the situation he was in. A couple of drops, yes, and some mental errors, but that's to be expected with a guy three weeks into learning a fairly complicated offense. He got reps as a starter this week for the first time so hopefully he's better prepared. My only question was his health and he sure looks like he's got his old speed.
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
FWIW, the 49ers didn't look all that great last week.
Romo basically gave them the game and then they just held on to win it.
The defense has a lot of losses from last year, Crabtree didn't click well with Kaep in the first game and the running game wasn't overly impressive until the very end of the game, against a team that's supposed to have one of the worst defenses in the league, if not the history of the league.
So yeah...probably like 27-10 49ers.
I completely disagree. 45-27 49ers. Kaep runs wild on this defense, the Bears offense will have a good but ultimately futile effort, Cutler will get the blame for his desperation fourth quarter heave that's picked off and returned for the final Niners touchdown. Cutler finally snaps and says "seriously, fuck you people" during the postgame presser, Emery takes Dan Bernstein's advice and releases him after Jay refuses sensitivity training. The Bears rally behind Notre Dame alum Jimmy Clausen to go 9-5 the rest of the way and sneak in as the 6 seed. Jay dies of the measles after one his unvaccinated kids contaminates him and KCav tells him all western medicine is bad in general. The 30 for 30 comes out a few years later. "What if I told you about a Quarterback who could have been the greatest if he'd only smiled?"
So, you completely disagree that they'll lose by 17 and think they'll lose by 18.
I think you really did not understand what I said if that's the thing you're harping on.
I stopped reading after that. What were you saying?
Girls just wanna have fun.
If Marshall and Alshon are really both out, I'd like to revise my estimate of 10 points for the Bears.
My money is on Marshall playing. Jeffery I don't know. They've been disturbingly evasive about his injury from the start.
They shouldn't be saying much about any injury that a player might hope to play through. Ever. None of has a right to know what is going on with these guys. Why give the 49ers or any opponent any useful information?
Exactly. Alshon's hammy has never been better. Trestman's just playing the Belichick game. Hell, Alshon donated his hammy to science because he didn't even need it. He's that good.
"Actually, his hamstring is a little bit sore. Not like pulled, but tweaked. You know he probably shouldn't go full tilt or anything. Some routes he should be fine like fades and little outs and stuff but nothing deep, nothing down the sidelines. Also one good shot to the back of the leg would probably do him in. So, we're hoping to just limit the plays we can call while he is in the game because it's in his best interest and ours. Any other questions, guys? Seriously, ask me anything."
I get witholding information. I just fear hamstring injuries more than just about anything for a position like wide receiver. I think it might honestly just be best to hold him out if there's even a question. An ankle injury like Marshall's is less likely to result in serious injury, so if he can bear the pain, send him out. But don't have Alshon tear his hammy when Santonio is a perfectly capable backup.
Thanks Young Fork.
If Alshon's hammy is still tight and the risk of injuring it worse is there he should sit. Its the 2nd game and frankly it's not a game they're expected to win.
Alshon and Brandon both practiced today and are questionable. Josh Morgan is doubtful though. DOOOOM
Apparently Alshon practiced but Brandon didn't. Both are listed as questionable. Who the fuck knows.
Jay Cutler = Goldilocks. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11505329/flem-file-chicago-bears-quarterback-jay-cutler-never-just-right) PRINT THAT!
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 12, 2014, 04:49:20 PM
Jay Cutler = Goldilocks. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11505329/flem-file-chicago-bears-quarterback-jay-cutler-never-just-right) PRINT THAT!
That entire article has one quote from Cutler, which is him taking responsibility.
Quote from: Eli on September 12, 2014, 05:09:40 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 12, 2014, 04:49:20 PM
Jay Cutler = Goldilocks. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11505329/flem-file-chicago-bears-quarterback-jay-cutler-never-just-right) PRINT THAT!
That entire article has one quote from Cutler, which is him taking responsibility.
I pointed that out the other day. If Cutler was the team cancer and excuse maker everyone has made him out to be you'd think it wouldn't be that difficult to find one damn example of him throwing someone under the bus.
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2014, 08:59:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 12, 2014, 05:09:40 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 12, 2014, 04:49:20 PM
Jay Cutler = Goldilocks. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11505329/flem-file-chicago-bears-quarterback-jay-cutler-never-just-right) PRINT THAT!
That entire article has one quote from Cutler, which is him taking responsibility.
I pointed that out the other day. If Cutler was the team cancer and excuse maker everyone has made him out to be you'd think it wouldn't be that difficult to find one damn example of him throwing someone under the bus.
The article is all kinds of bizarre. Then I started reading the comments and several of them were logical and well thought out. What a time to be alive.
Marshall and Jeffery both in. Let's hope it matters.
Quote from: SKO on September 14, 2014, 07:11:26 PM
Marshall and Jeffery both in. Let's hope it matters.
nope
Quote from: Slaky on September 14, 2014, 08:54:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 14, 2014, 07:11:26 PM
Marshall and Jeffery both in. Let's hope it matters.
nope
well it sorta did there. but overall probably not no
Quote from: SKO on September 14, 2014, 09:17:12 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 14, 2014, 08:54:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 14, 2014, 07:11:26 PM
Marshall and Jeffery both in. Let's hope it matters.
nope
well it sorta did there. but overall probably not no
It may or may not have everything to do with the Bears but this game is unwatchable. I know I've seen fun FL games.
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Marshall and Jeffery both in. Let's hope it matters.
nope
well it sorta did there. but overall probably not no
Best thing tonight has been everyone who had Marshall on their fantasy benches on Twitter.
Fuck you Chuck. Fuck you, Slak. Fuck you, Hub. Fuck you, Rosendouche. Fuck you, me.
GO BEARS
So that was pretty cool.
/thread.
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Quote from: SKO on September 14, 2014, 07:11:26 PM
Marshall and Jeffery both in. Let's hope it matters.
nope
well it sorta did there. but overall probably not no
Best thing tonight has been everyone who had Marshall on their fantasy benches on Twitter.
:sadface:
Quote from: InternetApex on September 11, 2014, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
If this is "The Cutler Game" we've all been waiting our entire lives for, they won't get embarrassed.
So...this was not THE Cutler Game but it was certainly A Cutler Game.
Quote from: Slaky on September 15, 2014, 12:36:50 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 11, 2014, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
If this is "The Cutler Game" we've all been waiting our entire lives for, they won't get embarrassed.
So...this was not THE Cutler Game but it was certainly A Cutler Game.
Was it the RIGHT Cutler Game?
Quote from: Fork on September 15, 2014, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 15, 2014, 12:36:50 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 11, 2014, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
If this is "The Cutler Game" we've all been waiting our entire lives for, they won't get embarrassed.
So...this was not THE Cutler Game but it was certainly A Cutler Game.
Was it the RIGHT Cutler Game?
For that moment, yes.
Pretty sure that THE signature game won't end up with a 5.9 YPA, but considering that "THE CUTLER GAME" for Bears fans and the media to validate him will involve cold weather, taking a big hit or two, and probably beating the Packers, this was a good start.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 15, 2014, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 15, 2014, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 15, 2014, 12:36:50 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 11, 2014, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
If this is "The Cutler Game" we've all been waiting our entire lives for, they won't get embarrassed.
So...this was not THE Cutler Game but it was certainly A Cutler Game.
Was it the RIGHT Cutler Game?
For that moment, yes.
Pretty sure that THE signature game won't end up with a 5.9 YPA, but considering that "THE CUTLER GAME" for Bears fans and the media to validate him will involve cold weather, taking a big hit or two, and probably beating the Packers, this was a good start.
Does Kaepernick have to deal with the flaming butthurt masses after that performance last night? If not, how come? That dude was a disaster.
Also, Harbaugh electing not to get Kaep on the move on 4th and ballgame was baffling.
Also, fuck the Niners so hard in their entire fucking face.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 15, 2014, 01:02:34 PM
Does Kaepernick have to deal with the flaming butthurt masses after that performance last night? If not, how come? That dude was a disaster.
He was everything I expect out of a guy Jim Hendry drafted.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 15, 2014, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 15, 2014, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 15, 2014, 12:36:50 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 11, 2014, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
If this is "The Cutler Game" we've all been waiting our entire lives for, they won't get embarrassed.
So...this was not THE Cutler Game but it was certainly A Cutler Game.
Was it the RIGHT Cutler Game?
For that moment, yes.
Pretty sure that THE signature game won't end up with a 5.9 YPA, but considering that "THE CUTLER GAME" for Bears fans and the media to validate him will involve cold weather, taking a big hit or two, and probably beating the Packers, this was a good start.
Yeah, Jay mostly deserves credit there for resisting what was no doubt his own urge to just say FUCK IT and sling it into triple coverage. Which, to be fair, he did once and they dropped it. But he stayed calm, got the first TD, and really settled in after that. But no, this was not The Cutler Game. Just The Game Jay Cutler Usually Contributes Heavily to Losing, But this Time Did the Opposite of That Thing. TGJCUCHTLBTTDTOOTT for short.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 15, 2014, 01:02:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 15, 2014, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 15, 2014, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 15, 2014, 12:36:50 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 11, 2014, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
If this is "The Cutler Game" we've all been waiting our entire lives for, they won't get embarrassed.
So...this was not THE Cutler Game but it was certainly A Cutler Game.
Was it the RIGHT Cutler Game?
For that moment, yes.
Pretty sure that THE signature game won't end up with a 5.9 YPA, but considering that "THE CUTLER GAME" for Bears fans and the media to validate him will involve cold weather, taking a big hit or two, and probably beating the Packers, this was a good start.
Does Kaepernick have to deal with the flaming butthurt masses after that performance last night? If not, how come? That dude was a disaster.
Also, Harbaugh electing not to get Kaep on the move on 4th and ballgame was baffling.
Also, fuck the Niners so hard in their entire fucking face.
Not sure about the masses, but if SF's press is anything like Chicago's, I'll bet there were something like 14 columns this morning questioning whether the 49ers can win a Super Bowl with a heavily tattooed quarterback.
Quote from: CT III on September 15, 2014, 03:30:44 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 15, 2014, 01:02:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 15, 2014, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 15, 2014, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 15, 2014, 12:36:50 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 11, 2014, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
If this is "The Cutler Game" we've all been waiting our entire lives for, they won't get embarrassed.
So...this was not THE Cutler Game but it was certainly A Cutler Game.
Was it the RIGHT Cutler Game?
For that moment, yes.
Pretty sure that THE signature game won't end up with a 5.9 YPA, but considering that "THE CUTLER GAME" for Bears fans and the media to validate him will involve cold weather, taking a big hit or two, and probably beating the Packers, this was a good start.
Does Kaepernick have to deal with the flaming butthurt masses after that performance last night? If not, how come? That dude was a disaster.
Also, Harbaugh electing not to get Kaep on the move on 4th and ballgame was baffling.
Also, fuck the Niners so hard in their entire fucking face.
Not sure about the masses, but if SF's press is anything like Chicago's, I'll bet there were something like 14 columns this morning questioning whether the 49ers can win a Super Bowl with a heavily tattooed quarterback.
I know it specifically focuses on the worst of each fanbase but from the gist of The WYTS: 49ers on Deadspin it sounds like 49ers fans:Alex Smith::Bears meatballs:Kyle Orton.
HE WAS A WINNAR
I did enjoy the SF beat writer Slaky retweeted who said after the Cowboys game that the 49ers "were built to crush finesse teams, and next week's opponent, the Bears, are built just like that" only to have those fuckers destroyed because they got manhandled at the line of scrimmage and they couldn't deal with Marshall/Bennett's physicality in the red zone with their 5'9 190 lb safety. BEAR FOOTBAW
Quote from: SKO on September 15, 2014, 03:32:45 PM
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Quote from: InternetApex on September 15, 2014, 01:02:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 15, 2014, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 15, 2014, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 15, 2014, 12:36:50 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 11, 2014, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
If this is "The Cutler Game" we've all been waiting our entire lives for, they won't get embarrassed.
So...this was not THE Cutler Game but it was certainly A Cutler Game.
Was it the RIGHT Cutler Game?
For that moment, yes.
Pretty sure that THE signature game won't end up with a 5.9 YPA, but considering that "THE CUTLER GAME" for Bears fans and the media to validate him will involve cold weather, taking a big hit or two, and probably beating the Packers, this was a good start.
Does Kaepernick have to deal with the flaming butthurt masses after that performance last night? If not, how come? That dude was a disaster.
Also, Harbaugh electing not to get Kaep on the move on 4th and ballgame was baffling.
Also, fuck the Niners so hard in their entire fucking face.
Not sure about the masses, but if SF's press is anything like Chicago's, I'll bet there were something like 14 columns this morning questioning whether the 49ers can win a Super Bowl with a heavily tattooed quarterback.
I know it specifically focuses on the worst of each fanbase but from the gist of The WYTS: 49ers on Deadspin it sounds like 49ers fans:Alex Smith::Bears meatballs:Kyle Orton.
HE WAS A WINNAR
All the 49ers fans I know vigorously insist that Alex Smith would be leading this team to glory and I heard it multiple times yesterday too. They all think he got a raw deal and endlessly pine for his return. It's really weird.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 15, 2014, 03:38:32 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 15, 2014, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: CT III on September 15, 2014, 03:30:44 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 15, 2014, 01:02:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 15, 2014, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 15, 2014, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 15, 2014, 12:36:50 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 11, 2014, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
If this is "The Cutler Game" we've all been waiting our entire lives for, they won't get embarrassed.
So...this was not THE Cutler Game but it was certainly A Cutler Game.
Was it the RIGHT Cutler Game?
For that moment, yes.
Pretty sure that THE signature game won't end up with a 5.9 YPA, but considering that "THE CUTLER GAME" for Bears fans and the media to validate him will involve cold weather, taking a big hit or two, and probably beating the Packers, this was a good start.
Does Kaepernick have to deal with the flaming butthurt masses after that performance last night? If not, how come? That dude was a disaster.
Also, Harbaugh electing not to get Kaep on the move on 4th and ballgame was baffling.
Also, fuck the Niners so hard in their entire fucking face.
Not sure about the masses, but if SF's press is anything like Chicago's, I'll bet there were something like 14 columns this morning questioning whether the 49ers can win a Super Bowl with a heavily tattooed quarterback.
I know it specifically focuses on the worst of each fanbase but from the gist of The WYTS: 49ers on Deadspin it sounds like 49ers fans:Alex Smith::Bears meatballs:Kyle Orton.
HE WAS A WINNAR
All the 49ers fans I know vigorously insist that Alex Smith would be leading this team to glory and I heard it multiple times yesterday too. They all think he got a raw deal and endlessly pine for his return. It's really weird.
It's entirely possible they do win that particular game with Smith. He wouldn't have had 4 turnovers, but yeah, those people. Good to know it's not just us. I had to get away from twitter to avoid the waterfall of splooge coming from old white men everywhere when Captain Kirk took over for RGme.
Quote from: SKO on September 15, 2014, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 15, 2014, 03:38:32 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 15, 2014, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: CT III on September 15, 2014, 03:30:44 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 15, 2014, 01:02:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 15, 2014, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 15, 2014, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 15, 2014, 12:36:50 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 11, 2014, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
If this is "The Cutler Game" we've all been waiting our entire lives for, they won't get embarrassed.
So...this was not THE Cutler Game but it was certainly A Cutler Game.
Was it the RIGHT Cutler Game?
For that moment, yes.
Pretty sure that THE signature game won't end up with a 5.9 YPA, but considering that "THE CUTLER GAME" for Bears fans and the media to validate him will involve cold weather, taking a big hit or two, and probably beating the Packers, this was a good start.
Does Kaepernick have to deal with the flaming butthurt masses after that performance last night? If not, how come? That dude was a disaster.
Also, Harbaugh electing not to get Kaep on the move on 4th and ballgame was baffling.
Also, fuck the Niners so hard in their entire fucking face.
Not sure about the masses, but if SF's press is anything like Chicago's, I'll bet there were something like 14 columns this morning questioning whether the 49ers can win a Super Bowl with a heavily tattooed quarterback.
I know it specifically focuses on the worst of each fanbase but from the gist of The WYTS: 49ers on Deadspin it sounds like 49ers fans:Alex Smith::Bears meatballs:Kyle Orton.
HE WAS A WINNAR
All the 49ers fans I know vigorously insist that Alex Smith would be leading this team to glory and I heard it multiple times yesterday too. They all think he got a raw deal and endlessly pine for his return. It's really weird.
It's entirely possible they do win that particular game with Smith. He wouldn't have had 4 turnovers, but yeah, those people. Good to know it's not just us. I had to get away from twitter to avoid the waterfall of splooge coming from old white men everywhere when Captain Kirk took over for RGme.
Smith threw three picks in week one. He and McGowan are 0-4 to start this campaign so WINNNAAAAARSSSS! My pasty, white, narrow ass.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 15, 2014, 03:57:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 15, 2014, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 15, 2014, 03:38:32 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 15, 2014, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: CT III on September 15, 2014, 03:30:44 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 15, 2014, 01:02:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 15, 2014, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 15, 2014, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 15, 2014, 12:36:50 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 11, 2014, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
If this is "The Cutler Game" we've all been waiting our entire lives for, they won't get embarrassed.
So...this was not THE Cutler Game but it was certainly A Cutler Game.
Was it the RIGHT Cutler Game?
For that moment, yes.
Pretty sure that THE signature game won't end up with a 5.9 YPA, but considering that "THE CUTLER GAME" for Bears fans and the media to validate him will involve cold weather, taking a big hit or two, and probably beating the Packers, this was a good start.
Does Kaepernick have to deal with the flaming butthurt masses after that performance last night? If not, how come? That dude was a disaster.
Also, Harbaugh electing not to get Kaep on the move on 4th and ballgame was baffling.
Also, fuck the Niners so hard in their entire fucking face.
Not sure about the masses, but if SF's press is anything like Chicago's, I'll bet there were something like 14 columns this morning questioning whether the 49ers can win a Super Bowl with a heavily tattooed quarterback.
I know it specifically focuses on the worst of each fanbase but from the gist of The WYTS: 49ers on Deadspin it sounds like 49ers fans:Alex Smith::Bears meatballs:Kyle Orton.
HE WAS A WINNAR
All the 49ers fans I know vigorously insist that Alex Smith would be leading this team to glory and I heard it multiple times yesterday too. They all think he got a raw deal and endlessly pine for his return. It's really weird.
It's entirely possible they do win that particular game with Smith. He wouldn't have had 4 turnovers, but yeah, those people. Good to know it's not just us. I had to get away from twitter to avoid the waterfall of splooge coming from old white men everywhere when Captain Kirk took over for RGme.
Smith threw three picks in week one. He and McGowan are 0-4 to start this campaign so WINNNAAAAARSSSS! My pasty, white, narrow ass.
He did. The Chiefs gave him money and then now are asking him to actually win Because of him, rather than in spite. It's not going well. He wouldn't have been given that task in SF last night.
McGowan is not only 0-2, he's 0-2 against two of the easiest games on their schedule (Carolina with TDubbs and TEC's beloved Derek Anderson starting, the Rams with the winner of the You Play QB For a Day Sweepstakes Austin Davis), and he hasn't passed for more than 183 yards in either game. WINNAR.
Quote from: SKO on September 15, 2014, 04:13:40 PM
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Quote from: Slaky on September 15, 2014, 12:36:50 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 11, 2014, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
If this is "The Cutler Game" we've all been waiting our entire lives for, they won't get embarrassed.
So...this was not THE Cutler Game but it was certainly A Cutler Game.
Was it the RIGHT Cutler Game?
For that moment, yes.
Pretty sure that THE signature game won't end up with a 5.9 YPA, but considering that "THE CUTLER GAME" for Bears fans and the media to validate him will involve cold weather, taking a big hit or two, and probably beating the Packers, this was a good start.
Does Kaepernick have to deal with the flaming butthurt masses after that performance last night? If not, how come? That dude was a disaster.
Also, Harbaugh electing not to get Kaep on the move on 4th and ballgame was baffling.
Also, fuck the Niners so hard in their entire fucking face.
Not sure about the masses, but if SF's press is anything like Chicago's, I'll bet there were something like 14 columns this morning questioning whether the 49ers can win a Super Bowl with a heavily tattooed quarterback.
I know it specifically focuses on the worst of each fanbase but from the gist of The WYTS: 49ers on Deadspin it sounds like 49ers fans:Alex Smith::Bears meatballs:Kyle Orton.
HE WAS A WINNAR
All the 49ers fans I know vigorously insist that Alex Smith would be leading this team to glory and I heard it multiple times yesterday too. They all think he got a raw deal and endlessly pine for his return. It's really weird.
It's entirely possible they do win that particular game with Smith. He wouldn't have had 4 turnovers, but yeah, those people. Good to know it's not just us. I had to get away from twitter to avoid the waterfall of splooge coming from old white men everywhere when Captain Kirk took over for RGme.
Smith threw three picks in week one. He and McGowan are 0-4 to start this campaign so WINNNAAAAARSSSS! My pasty, white, narrow ass.
He did. The Chiefs gave him money and then now are asking him to actually win Because of him, rather than in spite. It's not going well. He wouldn't have been given that task in SF last night.
McGowan is not only 0-2, he's 0-2 against two of the easiest games on their schedule (Carolina with TDubbs and TEC's beloved Derek Anderson starting, the Rams with the winner of the You Play QB For a Day Sweepstakes Austin Davis), and he hasn't passed for more than 183 yards in either game. WINNAR.
It's really hard to blame McNoun. He's got Lovie addling him down. It's like blaming Cutler for having bad stats when he had Lovie without realizing that Lovie is a drag on a QB.
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Quote from: InternetApex on September 11, 2014, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 10, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Starting to regret my Levi's Stadium ticket purchase for Sunday. Is there any chance the Bears don't get embarrassed in this game? 1%?
If this is "The Cutler Game" we've all been waiting our entire lives for, they won't get embarrassed.
So...this was not THE Cutler Game but it was certainly A Cutler Game.
Was it the RIGHT Cutler Game?
For that moment, yes.
Pretty sure that THE signature game won't end up with a 5.9 YPA, but considering that "THE CUTLER GAME" for Bears fans and the media to validate him will involve cold weather, taking a big hit or two, and probably beating the Packers, this was a good start.
Does Kaepernick have to deal with the flaming butthurt masses after that performance last night? If not, how come? That dude was a disaster.
Also, Harbaugh electing not to get Kaep on the move on 4th and ballgame was baffling.
Also, fuck the Niners so hard in their entire fucking face.
Not sure about the masses, but if SF's press is anything like Chicago's, I'll bet there were something like 14 columns this morning questioning whether the 49ers can win a Super Bowl with a heavily tattooed quarterback.
I know it specifically focuses on the worst of each fanbase but from the gist of The WYTS: 49ers on Deadspin it sounds like 49ers fans:Alex Smith::Bears meatballs:Kyle Orton.
HE WAS A WINNAR
All the 49ers fans I know vigorously insist that Alex Smith would be leading this team to glory and I heard it multiple times yesterday too. They all think he got a raw deal and endlessly pine for his return. It's really weird.
It's entirely possible they do win that particular game with Smith. He wouldn't have had 4 turnovers, but yeah, those people. Good to know it's not just us. I had to get away from twitter to avoid the waterfall of splooge coming from old white men everywhere when Captain Kirk took over for RGme.
Smith threw three picks in week one. He and McGowan are 0-4 to start this campaign so WINNNAAAAARSSSS! My pasty, white, narrow ass.
He did. The Chiefs gave him money and then now are asking him to actually win Because of him, rather than in spite. It's not going well. He wouldn't have been given that task in SF last night.
McGowan is not only 0-2, he's 0-2 against two of the easiest games on their schedule (Carolina with TDubbs and TEC's beloved Derek Anderson starting, the Rams with the winner of the You Play QB For a Day Sweepstakes Austin Davis), and he hasn't passed for more than 183 yards in either game. WINNAR.
It's really hard to blame McNoun. He's got Lovie addling him down. It's like blaming Cutler for having bad stats when he had Lovie without realizing that Lovie is a drag on a QB.
It's not his fault, but he's also not really much better than that. If a guy is who he is for ten years, then is someone else for five games, then goes back to being that same guy afterwards, he's probably just Not that guy we saw last year.
Also since I bitch constantly about negative Cutler crap I should say I think the "CUTLER RALLIES BEARS" headlines and stuff are a bit misleading. Guy certainly played lights out after The Drilling Heard Round the World but I'd say Kyle Fuller and Willie Young did as much of the "rallying" as anyone. Or hell give Brandon Marshall some props. Jay did well, but that was a true team win there. Other than the special teams. Fuck those guys raw.
Quote from: SKO on September 15, 2014, 04:29:21 PM
Also since I bitch constantly about negative Cutler crap I should say I think the "CUTLER RALLIES BEARS" headlines and stuff are a bit misleading. Guy certainly played lights out after The Drilling Heard Round the World but I'd say Kyle Fuller and Willie Young did as much of the "rallying" as anyone. Or hell give Brandon Marshall some props. Jay did well, but that was a true team win there. Other than the special teams. Fuck those guys raw.
Kind of like last week was a true team loss. If only there were some sort of blog somewhere that featured correct opinions about the Bears, who they are, where they stand, where they're headed and what in the entire fuck this all means. I'd read the shit out of something like that.
I assume the solid pass protection's been covered, too. Nice what a difference an Upright Cutler can make.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 15, 2014, 04:54:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 15, 2014, 04:29:21 PM
Also since I bitch constantly about negative Cutler crap I should say I think the "CUTLER RALLIES BEARS" headlines and stuff are a bit misleading. Guy certainly played lights out after The Drilling Heard Round the World but I'd say Kyle Fuller and Willie Young did as much of the "rallying" as anyone. Or hell give Brandon Marshall some props. Jay did well, but that was a true team win there. Other than the special teams. Fuck those guys raw.
Kind of like last week was a true team loss. If only there were some sort of blog somewhere that featured correct opinions about the Bears, who they are, where they stand, where they're headed and what in the entire fuck this all means. I'd read the shit out of something like that.
I bet that blog would have a kickass podcast, too.
Quote from: PANK! on September 15, 2014, 04:59:15 PM
I assume the solid pass protection's been covered, too. Nice what a difference an Upright Cutler can make.
It really hasn't. Amazing that they've been able to replace Slauson without missing a beat. Garza is getting Wally Pipp'd by De La Puente, who despite the bad snap has been great. 1 hurry surrendered in 77 pass blocking snaps. Kyle Long just quietly developing into a top ten guard. A joy to see.
Quote from: SKO on September 15, 2014, 04:29:21 PM
Also since I bitch constantly about negative Cutler crap I should say I think the "CUTLER RALLIES BEARS" headlines and stuff are a bit misleading. Guy certainly played lights out after The Drilling Heard Round the World but I'd say Kyle Fuller and Willie Young did as much of the "rallying" as anyone. Or hell give Brandon Marshall some props. Jay did well, but that was a true team win there. Other than the special teams. Fuck those guys raw.
Willie Young...is he my new favorite dude? Might be.
Quote from: Slaky on September 16, 2014, 06:54:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 15, 2014, 04:29:21 PM
Also since I bitch constantly about negative Cutler crap I should say I think the "CUTLER RALLIES BEARS" headlines and stuff are a bit misleading. Guy certainly played lights out after The Drilling Heard Round the World but I'd say Kyle Fuller and Willie Young did as much of the "rallying" as anyone. Or hell give Brandon Marshall some props. Jay did well, but that was a true team win there. Other than the special teams. Fuck those guys raw.
Willie Young...is he my new favorite dude? Might be.
I was and still am more excited about Willie than Jared Allen. I have actually been disappointed so far that they've given Jared Allen his normal Minnesota snap counts, instead of doing a true rotation to keep him fresh and get Willie in as often as possible. Willie was great against the run and he was one of the most disruptive DEs in the NFL. People get too caught up on sack numbers when they can be deceiving. Even great pass rushers get sacks on maybe 13 plays out of, what, 500 opposing dropbacks? Get me the guy who is constantly getting hits, and hurries, and making QBs uncomfortable. That was Willie in Detroit last year. The Bears got a bargain because of the sack numbers. They're paying him what Atlanta paid for Devin Hester so the next time the special teams makes you want to throw up into your flat-billed cap remember that this sacrifice brought you Willie and feel better.
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Also since I bitch constantly about negative Cutler crap I should say I think the "CUTLER RALLIES BEARS" headlines and stuff are a bit misleading. Guy certainly played lights out after The Drilling Heard Round the World but I'd say Kyle Fuller and Willie Young did as much of the "rallying" as anyone. Or hell give Brandon Marshall some props. Jay did well, but that was a true team win there. Other than the special teams. Fuck those guys raw.
Kind of like last week was a true team loss. If only there were some sort of blog somewhere that featured correct opinions about the Bears, who they are, where they stand, where they're headed and what in the entire fuck this all means. I'd read the shit out of something like that.
I bet that blog would have a kickass podcast, too.
Nah. Let's not get too crazy.
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Quote from: SKO on September 15, 2014, 04:29:21 PM
Also since I bitch constantly about negative Cutler crap I should say I think the "CUTLER RALLIES BEARS" headlines and stuff are a bit misleading. Guy certainly played lights out after The Drilling Heard Round the World but I'd say Kyle Fuller and Willie Young did as much of the "rallying" as anyone. Or hell give Brandon Marshall some props. Jay did well, but that was a true team win there. Other than the special teams. Fuck those guys raw.
Kind of like last week was a true team loss. If only there were some sort of blog somewhere that featured correct opinions about the Bears, who they are, where they stand, where they're headed and what in the entire fuck this all means. I'd read the shit out of something like that.
I bet that blog would have a kickass podcast, too.
Nah. Let's not get too crazy.
We should get a CFL player on the Puckcast before he gets one. Just because.
Quote from: SKO on September 15, 2014, 04:29:21 PM
Also since I bitch constantly about negative Cutler crap I should say I think the "CUTLER RALLIES BEARS" headlines and stuff are a bit misleading. Guy certainly played lights out after The Drilling Heard Round the World but I'd say Kyle Fuller and Willie Young did as much of the "rallying" as anyone. Or hell give Brandon Marshall some props. Jay did well, but that was a true team win there. Other than the special teams. Fuck those guys raw.
Reminded me of the scene in "Rookie of the Year" where the kid breaks his arm and as a result when it healed he could throw strikes 105 miles an hour from the center field bleachers to the catcher.
I don't know about the 2015 Bears draft, but the 2014 one is working out pretty great so far.
1) Kyle Fuller- #2 rated CB in coverage by PFF, #1 corner overall thanks to his fucking kickass tackling/run-stuffing/fumble-punching
2)Ego Ferguson- Got his first sack yesterday, helped shut down the Jets run game, has looked pretty good overall for a guy billed as a "project".
3)Will Sutton- got the pressure that led to Ego's sack, leads all DT's in the NFL in run stop % of 17.6% (runs that end as a 2 yard gain or less).
4)Brock Vereen- Second Straight week he's come in off the bench and allowed no catches.
6)Pat O'Donnell- Seems...good at punting?
Quote from: SKO on September 23, 2014, 08:35:35 AM
I don't know about the 2015 Bears draft, but the 2014 one is working out pretty great so far.
1) Will Fuller- #2 rated CB in coverage by PFF, #1 corner overall thanks to his fucking kickass tackling/run-stuffing/fumble-punching
2)Ego Ferguson- Got his first sack yesterday, helped shut down the Jets run game, has looked pretty good overall for a guy billed as a "project".
3)Will Sutton- got the pressure that led to Ego's sack, leads all DT's in the NFL in run stop % of 17.6% (runs that end as a 2 yard gain or less).
4)Brock Vereen- Second Straight week he's come in off the bench and allowed no catches.
6)Pat O'Donnell- Seems...good at punting?
Not to mention you've got Bostic looking like an actual NFL player, Shea had a nice game in SF before getting hurt and may not be a complete bust, and Chuck is just a big old 50 gallon drum full of wrong.
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Quote from: SKO on September 23, 2014, 08:35:35 AM
I don't know about the 2015 Bears draft, but the 2014 one is working out pretty great so far.
1) Kyle Fuller- #2 rated CB in coverage by PFF, #1 corner overall thanks to his fucking kickass tackling/run-stuffing/fumble-punching
2)Ego Ferguson- Got his first sack yesterday, helped shut down the Jets run game, has looked pretty good overall for a guy billed as a "project".
3)Will Sutton- got the pressure that led to Ego's sack, leads all DT's in the NFL in run stop % of 17.6% (runs that end as a 2 yard gain or less).
4)Brock Vereen- Second Straight week he's come in off the bench and allowed no catches.
6)Pat O'Donnell- Seems...good at punting?
Not to mention you've got Bostic looking like an actual NFL player, Shea had a nice game in SF before getting hurt and may not be a complete bust, and Chuck is just a big old 50 gallon drum full of wrong.
I felt bad for Bostic that he dropped that INT. Would have been a nice exclamation point to the three solid games he's had. Overall PFF has him a +1, +1.6 vs. the run. Pretty much average in coverage, but the Bears LBs allow a lot of catches, generally speaking, since they try to force QBs to check down over the middle rather than give up the big play. Shea had a nice game in SF, and considering SAM is now the least used and least important position on D it's not unthinkable he could stick there. They're building something on that side of the ball, too.
Pretty sure Will Furrer was drafted in 1992.
Quote from: PANK! on September 23, 2014, 09:30:30 AM
Pretty sure Will Furrer was drafted in 1992.
Ha. I don't think that was who I was thinking of when I made that PANK, but I don't have a better explanation.
Either way Kyle Fuller is the balls.
One benefit to Marshall's quiet game was his relative silence afterward. I don't want that to become a trend and they need him bad against the Pack but I'm almost glad Ola got that penalty so we could all get a nice break from B-Marsh for the time being.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 23, 2014, 09:35:48 AM
One benefit to Marshall's quiet game was his relative silence afterward. I don't want that to become a trend and they need him bad against the Pack but I'm almost glad Ola got that penalty so we could all get a nice break from B-Marsh for the time being.
Pretty sure since he came to Chicago Brandon leads the league in "OH GOD OH GOD HE'S HURT OH GOD HE'S DEAD oh he's coming back in" injuries.
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Quote from: InternetApex on September 23, 2014, 09:35:48 AM
One benefit to Marshall's quiet game was his relative silence afterward. I don't want that to become a trend and they need him bad against the Pack but I'm almost glad Ola got that penalty so we could all get a nice break from B-Marsh for the time being.
Pretty sure since he came to Chicago Brandon leads the league in "OH GOD OH GOD HE'S HURT OH GOD HE'S DEAD oh he's coming back in" injuries.
Between he and LeBron, I've died a thousand deaths only to ascend into bonertime heaven repeatedly.
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One benefit to Marshall's quiet game was his relative silence afterward. I don't want that to become a trend and they need him bad against the Pack but I'm almost glad Ola got that penalty so we could all get a nice break from B-Marsh for the time being.
Pretty sure since he came to Chicago Brandon leads the league in "OH GOD OH GOD HE'S HURT OH GOD HE'S DEAD oh he's coming back in" injuries.
Between he and LeBron, I've died a thousand deaths only to ascend into bonertime heaven repeatedly.
I enjoyed Alshon asking reporters for his stats after they cited the Antonio Allen quote about him being lazy to him in the locker room. Rare to see him show any kind of attitude.
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One benefit to Marshall's quiet game was his relative silence afterward. I don't want that to become a trend and they need him bad against the Pack but I'm almost glad Ola got that penalty so we could all get a nice break from B-Marsh for the time being.
Pretty sure since he came to Chicago Brandon leads the league in "OH GOD OH GOD HE'S HURT OH GOD HE'S DEAD oh he's coming back in" injuries.
Between he and LeBron, I've died a thousand deaths only to ascend into bonertime heaven repeatedly.
I enjoyed Alshon asking reporters for his stats after they cited the Antonio Allen quote about him being lazy to him in the locker room. Rare to see him show any kind of attitude.
Because he's too busy eating.
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One benefit to Marshall's quiet game was his relative silence afterward. I don't want that to become a trend and they need him bad against the Pack but I'm almost glad Ola got that penalty so we could all get a nice break from B-Marsh for the time being.
Pretty sure since he came to Chicago Brandon leads the league in "OH GOD OH GOD HE'S HURT OH GOD HE'S DEAD oh he's coming back in" injuries.
Between he and LeBron, I've died a thousand deaths only to ascend into bonertime heaven repeatedly.
I enjoyed Alshon asking reporters for his stats after they cited the Antonio Allen quote about him being lazy to him in the locker room. Rare to see him show any kind of attitude.
Because he's too busy eating.
He's the fattest wide receiver to gain 1630 in his last 19 games.
Why did Kaepernick get flagged for dropping the N-word? It might be, at least in part, because Lamarr Houston was trolling him (http://deadspin.com/colin-kaepernick-was-probably-penalized-for-saying-nig-1638222195):
Quote"He was just saying inappropriate language," Houston told the Tribune on Monday night at MetLife Stadium. He said Kaepernick cursed at him, including using the N-word.
Asked if he was insulted, Houston said it's more a "cultural thing." Houston reiterated that he incensed Kaepernick on the play by saying "nice pass" at the end of a Kyle Fuller interception.
Dude throws a pick, Lamarr tells him nice pass. That's awesome.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 23, 2014, 02:56:55 PM
Why did Kaepernick get flagged for dropping the N-word? It might be, at least in part, because Lamarr Houston was trolling him (http://deadspin.com/colin-kaepernick-was-probably-penalized-for-saying-nig-1638222195):
Quote"He was just saying inappropriate language," Houston told the Tribune on Monday night at MetLife Stadium. He said Kaepernick cursed at him, including using the N-word.
Asked if he was insulted, Houston said it's more a "cultural thing." Houston reiterated that he incensed Kaepernick on the play by saying "nice pass" at the end of a Kyle Fuller interception.
Dude throws a pick, Lamarr tells him nice pass. That's awesome.
That's almost exactly how I assumed that conversation went without hearing it.
Of course these assholes would end up 3" short of a TD to end the half.
Epic gutless fail.
Might as well try the onside kick again to start the second half. This defense isn't stopping GB at all.
Jay Cutler: human dumpster fire.
And just in case you were wondering what a real franchise QB looks like, we're getting one of our two yearly reminders.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on September 28, 2014, 02:02:04 PM
Jay Cutler: human dumpster fire.
Fuck you you fucking mongrel troll.
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2014, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on September 28, 2014, 02:02:04 PM
Jay Cutler: human dumpster fire.
Fuck you you fucking mongrel troll.
The only joke is the one on anyone who believes a guy who can't even go three games without throwing a god-fucking-awful pick is going to lead the Bears to anything other than 8 wins and shitty draft picks.
And right on cue, another pick It'll be hilarious when Cutler has double-digit picks yet again (the only season he hasn't as a Bear is when he only started 10 games), and Rodgers doesn't. The only question is whether Cutler gets to 20 this season or hurt before he can.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on September 28, 2014, 02:12:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2014, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on September 28, 2014, 02:02:04 PM
Jay Cutler: human dumpster fire.
Fuck you you fucking mongrel troll.
The only joke is the one on anyone who believes a guy who can't even go three games without throwing a god-fucking-awful pick is going to lead the Bears to anything other than 8 wins and shitty draft picks.
And right on cue, another pick It'll be hilarious when Cutler has double-digit picks yet again (the only season he hasn't as a Bear is when he only started 10 games), and Rodgers doesn't. The only question is whether Cutler gets to 20 this season or hurt before he can.
We haven't heard from you in a while. I figured you had killed yourself.
Why don't the Bears just trade for Aaron Rodgers? THIS AIN'T ROCKET SURGERY!
Why even watch the games when I can just check to see if CFiHP posted or not.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on September 28, 2014, 02:02:04 PM
Jay Cutler: human dumpster fire.
Fuck you you fucking mongrel troll.
The only joke is the one on anyone who believes a guy who can't even go three games without throwing a god-fucking-awful pick is going to lead the Bears to anything other than 8 wins and shitty draft picks.
And right on cue, another pick It'll be hilarious when Cutler has double-digit picks yet again (the only season he hasn't as a Bear is when he only started 10 games), and Rodgers doesn't. The only question is whether Cutler gets to 20 this season or hurt before he can.
We haven't heard from you in a while. I figured you had killed yourself.
Seven points to Huey if he had. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8581.0)
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on September 28, 2014, 02:02:04 PM
Jay Cutler: human dumpster fire.
Fuck you you fucking mongrel troll.
The only joke is the one on anyone who believes a guy who can't even go three games without throwing a god-fucking-awful pick is going to lead the Bears to anything other than 8 wins and shitty draft picks.
And right on cue, another pick It'll be hilarious when Cutler has double-digit picks yet again (the only season he hasn't as a Bear is when he only started 10 games), and Rodgers doesn't. The only question is whether Cutler gets to 20 this season or hurt before he can.
We haven't heard from you in a while. I figured you had killed yourself.
To be fair his team lost a a horrible Tampa team.
I'm just wondering which of the picks was god fucking awful. Was it the one in which the DB read the route before the snap due to the shift of the RB and jumped it for a deflection that traveled 20 feet to Matthews or the one in which the receiver ran something the little voice in his head told him to run instead of what was called?
I don't know why I'm asking this but I just need to know if I've missed something.
And I'm really tired of saying this but Aaron Rodgers is the best quarterback I've ever seen. Watching him on TV doesn't do it justice really. I don't know how many, "No fucking way" passes he completes against other teams but he seems to really rack them up against the Bears at a record clip. I really wish I could hate that guy like I hated Favre. But Favre was a fraud and a turd. Rodgers is just better than anything I've ever seen. Better than Manning or Brady or Brees. None of them could do what he does.
There's no hope.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 29, 2014, 08:55:16 AM
Watching him on TV doesn't do it justice really.
This again?
ETA: Maybe that was BH with the see-things-better-in-person argument from a few years back.
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Watching him on TV doesn't do it justice really.
This again?
Unless I'm watching the all-22's I don't see the improbability of what he's pulling off the same way. Maybe you can! Sorry if it sounded like I was insulting your TV watching ability. I didn't mean to. I meant that for me, I get a wider perspective of the field and passes that other quarterbacks make don't end up where his do when throwing from the angle and body positions that he does. That pass after the holding call for the TD that got called back was the best throw I've ever seen. Recency effect accounted for, that was impossible. Fuck him.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on September 28, 2014, 02:02:04 PM
Jay Cutler: human dumpster fire.
Fuck you you fucking mongrel troll.
The only joke is the one on anyone who believes a guy who can't even go three games without throwing a god-fucking-awful pick is going to lead the Bears to anything other than 8 wins and shitty draft picks.
And right on cue, another pick It'll be hilarious when Cutler has double-digit picks yet again (the only season he hasn't as a Bear is when he only started 10 games), and Rodgers doesn't. The only question is whether Cutler gets to 20 this season or hurt before he can.
We haven't heard from you in a while. I figured you had killed yourself.
To be fair his team lost a a horrible Tampa team.
Hey, hey - don't lump that troll in with me.
He *roots* for the Bears.
Or at least he better.
Dan Hampton, who rarely fails to dump on Cutler (or any QB for that matter) called out Josh Morgan for getting outmuscled on the 1st pick. When I saw the play, I sort of thought the same thing and then wondered if my attempt to make excuses for Cutler in my mind was so tortured as to be absurd. And then I heard Danimal this morning and since he excused Cutler on that play then I will too. I mean, it was not a good pass, but I felt that if he was throwing to Marshall or Jeffery that the play ends up differently--at worst an incomplete pass that gets batted down into the shitty Soldier Field turf.
Quote from: PANK! on September 29, 2014, 10:18:12 AM
Dan Hampton, who rarely fails to dump on Cutler (or any QB for that matter) called out Josh Morgan for getting outmuscled on the 1st pick. When I saw the play, I sort of thought the same thing and then wondered if my attempt to make excuses for Cutler in my mind was so tortured as to be absurd. And then I heard Danimal this morning and since he excused Cutler on that play then I will too. I mean, it was not a good pass, but I felt that if he was throwing to Marshall or Jeffery that the play ends up differently--at worst an incomplete pass that gets batted down into the shitty Soldier Field turf.
It got deflected up in the air 20 feet right to Matthews. Oblong balls do weird shit. Sometimes your opponent just makes a great play and you're fucked. It happens. We saw our DBs do that almost every week during better days. I understand why we have to analyze the shit out of every Cutler interception, but after yesterday's game, 99% of fan discussions should be about that defense. We were hoping it would be fixed enough that 400 yards of offense would be enough to keep the team in the game. You could kick a field goal with 9 seconds left or NOT kick onside or NOT try to throw the shit out of the ball on the opponent's half when your're chewing up giant chunks on the ground if you can get a stop once in awhile. That's where my head is today.
When guys come back from injuries and illness will it be better? Good enough? Or is this thing completely fucked through the floor again? I have no clue.
DPD:
Cutler did actually check out of a run play to throw that first pick even though they were gashing the Packers on the ground relentlessly at that point. Trestman didn't seem to mind and the game plan could have been to do that. They'll likely go over it and assess fault. That's one of the conversations we won't hear but would be really interesting.
The amount of time you people spend defending your QB is hilarious.
I know that pretty much everyone who doesn't root for the Bears gets all over him so there's some value to rallying around the guy, but man, what a continual effort you all put forth on a regular basis.
I'm not even passing judgement at this point, it's just a marvel to watch.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2014, 11:33:07 AM
The amount of time you people spend defending your QB is hilarious.
I know that pretty much everyone who doesn't root for the Bears gets all over him so there's some value to rallying around the guy, but man, what a continual effort you all put forth on a regular basis.
I'm not even passing judgement at this point, it's just a marvel to watch.
Butthurt is a helluva drug.
I'll agree with Apex on Aaron Rodgers, but what are Mel Tucker's defenses known for? Not sacking quarterbacks, but giving up a lot of rushing and passing yards and points and not forcing too many turnovers? I'll hang up and listen to your answer.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2014, 11:33:07 AM
The amount of time you people spend defending your QB is hilarious.
I know that pretty much everyone who doesn't root for the Bears gets all over him so there's some value to rallying around the guy, but man, what a continual effort you all put forth on a regular basis.
I'm not even passing judgement at this point, it's just a marvel to watch.
I think the nature of Cutler's play creates polar opposite views of him. There's that large faction that thinks he's a worse version of Rex Grossman, and then there's SKO, who violently contorts himself to pre-emptively defend anything Cutler does because he's anticipating the reaction of the first group (sorry, SKO; I still love you). If the first group didn't exist, the second group probably wouldn't either.
But yes, it does all add up to a staggering amount of rhetoric over a guy who is basically just a pretty good quarterback. It's just that Cutler goes about it in the most extreme ways possible, but it all kind of balances out:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbXhyWsCMAAMTm7.jpg)
Quote from: Eli on September 29, 2014, 12:18:01 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2014, 11:33:07 AM
The amount of time you people spend defending your QB is hilarious.
I know that pretty much everyone who doesn't root for the Bears gets all over him so there's some value to rallying around the guy, but man, what a continual effort you all put forth on a regular basis.
I'm not even passing judgement at this point, it's just a marvel to watch.
I think the nature of Cutler's play creates polar opposite views of him. There's that large faction that thinks he's a worse version of Rex Grossman, and then there's SKO, who violently contorts himself to pre-emptively defend anything Cutler does because he's anticipating the reaction of the first group (sorry, SKO; I still love you). If the first group didn't exist, the second group probably wouldn't either.
But yes, it does all add up to a staggering amount of rhetoric over a guy who is basically just a pretty good league average quarterback. It's just that Cutler goes about it in the most extreme ways possible, but it all kind of balances out:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbXhyWsCMAAMTm7.jpg)
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Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2014, 12:30:42 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 29, 2014, 12:18:01 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2014, 11:33:07 AM
The amount of time you people spend defending your QB is hilarious.
I know that pretty much everyone who doesn't root for the Bears gets all over him so there's some value to rallying around the guy, but man, what a continual effort you all put forth on a regular basis.
I'm not even passing judgement at this point, it's just a marvel to watch.
I think the nature of Cutler's play creates polar opposite views of him. There's that large faction that thinks he's a worse version of Rex Grossman, and then there's SKO, who violently contorts himself to pre-emptively defend anything Cutler does because he's anticipating the reaction of the first group (sorry, SKO; I still love you). If the first group didn't exist, the second group probably wouldn't either.
But yes, it does all add up to a staggering amount of rhetoric over a guy who is basically just a pretty good league average quarterback. It's just that Cutler goes about it in the most extreme ways possible, but it all kind of balances out:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbXhyWsCMAAMTm7.jpg)
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There are like fifty more useful stats, all of which would have backed up your point about Jay being a mostly average quarterback in his career to this point, and you choose to emphasize QB rating, which is the dumbest stat of them all. Even when you're right, you are so wrong about how you choose to do it.
And yeah, what Eli said. It's that his highs are so high and his lows are so low that it lends itself to a polarization and each and every throw and game leads to a brand new referendum on whether he's "finally getting it" or "never going to be a winner" instead of just saying "oh, he played well today" or "oh, he fucked up today" and moving on. There are people who want to call it his signature game when he goes off for 176 yards and what was basically just a really nice performance in the red zone and there are people who want to signal him out as the main culprit for losing a game when the defense literally did not stop a single opposing drive.
A lot of it also boils down to the way this entire league is pitched as THE LEAGUE OF ELITE QUARTERBACKING. There's maybe two quarterbacks in the entire league in Rodgers and Peyton who are so productive and so immune to fuckups that they can singlehandedly will their teams to 10 wins minimum a year, and then there are a lot of guys who can do a passable imitation of those two if things break right. Breesus has gone 7-9 or 8-8 multiple times in New Orleans. Philip Rivers was written off for dead before last year. Brady is finally dying and it's glorious. But basically Bears fans have lived in horrible jealousy of the fuckheads to the north who have benefitted from two Hall of Fame quarterbacks for twenty years and they make it look so easy and we reach the point where half the fan base (as evidence by our moron friend CFIHP) would rather just tank every year on the off chance of maybe finding one of those transcendent QBs and risk never being competitive again, I guess, rather than watch them try to build a solid roster around Cutler and hope to ride a hot streak to a Flacco or Eli-esque title run, knowing full well the odds are more in favor of another 8-8 dickpunch.
TL, DR: watching too much Aaron Rodgers has definitely ruined the fan base, because we'll never get to have one of those as long as I live and I know it.
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2014, 04:15:55 PM
There are like fifty more useful stats, all of which would have backed up your point about Jay being a mostly average quarterback in his career to this point, and you choose to emphasize QB rating, which is the dumbest stat of them all. Even when you're right, you are so wrong about how you choose to do it.
And yeah, what Eli said. It's that his highs are so high and his lows are so low that it lends itself to a polarization and each and every throw and game leads to a brand new referendum on whether he's "finally getting it" or "never going to be a winner" instead of just saying "oh, he played well today" or "oh, he fucked up today" and moving on. There are people who want to call it his signature game when he goes off for 176 yards and what was basically just a really nice performance in the red zone and there are people who want to signal him out as the main culprit for losing a game when the defense literally did not stop a single opposing drive.
A lot of it also boils down to the way this entire league is pitched as THE LEAGUE OF ELITE QUARTERBACKING. There's maybe two quarterbacks in the entire league in Rodgers and Peyton who are so productive and so immune to fuckups that they can singlehandedly will their teams to 10 wins minimum a year, and then there are a lot of guys who can do a passable imitation of those two if things break right. Breesus has gone 7-9 or 8-8 multiple times in New Orleans. Philip Rivers was written off for dead before last year. Brady is finally dying and it's glorious. But basically Bears fans have lived in horrible jealousy of the fuckheads to the north who have benefitted from two Hall of Fame quarterbacks for twenty years and they make it look so easy and we reach the point where half the fan base (as evidence by our moron friend CFIHP) would rather just tank every year on the off chance of maybe finding one of those transcendent QBs and risk never being competitive again, I guess, rather than watch them try to build a solid roster around Cutler and hope to ride a hot streak to a Flacco or Eli-esque title run, knowing full well the odds are more in favor of another 8-8 dickpunch.
TL, DR: watching too much Aaron Rodgers has definitely ruined the fan base, because we'll never get to have one of those as long as I live and I know it.
So, it's a good stat until it isn't?
Quote from: SKO, 8/19/2014
The last time (Jay Cutler played the Saints) he threw for 350+ yards and had a passer rating of over 100
Quote from: SKO, 8/18/2014
He (Carson Palmer) went from an 8-13 ratio with a 69.5 rating when I said that (something brilliant, no doubt) to 16:9 with a 96.5 rating in his last 9.
Quote from: SKO, 8/18/2014
(Talking about Erik Kramer for some reason) 1993-1995 though he had a 45:21 ratio, 91.2 rating, 61.2% completions
Quote from: SKO, 5/29/14
So basically if McCown repeats anything close to last year (worth noting a 90+ passer rating would be more than 10 points below what he managed last year, so I gave him some leeway, he'd basically be the first guy to ever really repeat a "breakout" season at such a late age.
Quote from: SKO, 5/29/14
Gannon had three seasons before his 90+ rating season at age 35 where he took at least 200 attempts and had a rating over 80
Quote from: SKO, 2/4/14
I can't imagine any other weak armed backup with a 68.6 QB rating getting this much attention if his own fanbase hadn't spent two years saying he was a leader and not a glory boy showboat like RGIII and was the rightful starter
Quote from: SKO 12/31/2013
I guess the question is whether you place all of the emphasis on his (Cutler's) very encouraging 96.5 rating and 16-9 ratio in the last nine games or if you look at his kind of turd-like first 7 games
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
I'm saying judging jay's entire future based on a game where he was down 14-0 and 21-0 before he could even take a breath is absurd, when he's finished with a passer rating of 100+ in his last three full starts before that. I mean, his body of work is what it is
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
again, Cutler's passer rating in the 8 games he actually finished is 93.3, and he's faced defenses ranked 16th or better in 6 of those games. McCown played 1 defense in the top 20, and scored 13 points
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
If Cutler had put up a 75.0 Passer rating in the Lovie Era there'd be no defending him.
There were roughly 10000 more, but I got bored.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2014, 04:36:42 PM
So, it's a good stat until it isn't?
Quote from: SKO, 8/19/2014
The last time (Jay Cutler played the Saints) he threw for 350+ yards and had a passer rating of over 100
Quote from: SKO, 8/18/2014
He (Carson Palmer) went from an 8-13 ratio with a 69.5 rating when I said that (something brilliant, no doubt) to 16:9 with a 96.5 rating in his last 9.
Quote from: SKO, 8/18/2014
(Talking about Erik Kramer for some reason) 1993-1995 though he had a 45:21 ratio, 91.2 rating, 61.2% completions
Quote from: SKO, 5/29/14
So basically if McCown repeats anything close to last year (worth noting a 90+ passer rating would be more than 10 points below what he managed last year, so I gave him some leeway, he'd basically be the first guy to ever really repeat a "breakout" season at such a late age.
Quote from: SKO, 5/29/14
Gannon had three seasons before his 90+ rating season at age 35 where he took at least 200 attempts and had a rating over 80
Quote from: SKO, 2/4/14
I can't imagine any other weak armed backup with a 68.6 QB rating getting this much attention if his own fanbase hadn't spent two years saying he was a leader and not a glory boy showboat like RGIII and was the rightful starter
Quote from: SKO 12/31/2013
I guess the question is whether you place all of the emphasis on his (Cutler's) very encouraging 96.5 rating and 16-9 ratio in the last nine games or if you look at his kind of turd-like first 7 games
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
I'm saying judging jay's entire future based on a game where he was down 14-0 and 21-0 before he could even take a breath is absurd, when he's finished with a passer rating of 100+ in his last three full starts before that. I mean, his body of work is what it is
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
again, Cutler's passer rating in the 8 games he actually finished is 93.3, and he's faced defenses ranked 16th or better in 6 of those games. McCown played 1 defense in the top 20, and scored 13 points
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
If Cutler had put up a 75.0 Passer rating in the Lovie Era there'd be no defending him.
There were roughly 10000 more, but I got bored.
I'm not saying it doesn't have it's uses, it's just easily the worst single stat to use when arguing what is or isn't an average QB. Have you ever quoted a baseball player's batting average in the context of an argument while also understanding that isn't the single stat you would use to most effectively quantify his actual contributions?
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2014, 04:39:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2014, 04:36:42 PM
So, it's a good stat until it isn't?
Quote from: SKO, 8/19/2014
The last time (Jay Cutler played the Saints) he threw for 350+ yards and had a passer rating of over 100
Quote from: SKO, 8/18/2014
He (Carson Palmer) went from an 8-13 ratio with a 69.5 rating when I said that (something brilliant, no doubt) to 16:9 with a 96.5 rating in his last 9.
Quote from: SKO, 8/18/2014
(Talking about Erik Kramer for some reason) 1993-1995 though he had a 45:21 ratio, 91.2 rating, 61.2% completions
Quote from: SKO, 5/29/14
So basically if McCown repeats anything close to last year (worth noting a 90+ passer rating would be more than 10 points below what he managed last year, so I gave him some leeway, he'd basically be the first guy to ever really repeat a "breakout" season at such a late age.
Quote from: SKO, 5/29/14
Gannon had three seasons before his 90+ rating season at age 35 where he took at least 200 attempts and had a rating over 80
Quote from: SKO, 2/4/14
I can't imagine any other weak armed backup with a 68.6 QB rating getting this much attention if his own fanbase hadn't spent two years saying he was a leader and not a glory boy showboat like RGIII and was the rightful starter
Quote from: SKO 12/31/2013
I guess the question is whether you place all of the emphasis on his (Cutler's) very encouraging 96.5 rating and 16-9 ratio in the last nine games or if you look at his kind of turd-like first 7 games
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
I'm saying judging jay's entire future based on a game where he was down 14-0 and 21-0 before he could even take a breath is absurd, when he's finished with a passer rating of 100+ in his last three full starts before that. I mean, his body of work is what it is
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
again, Cutler's passer rating in the 8 games he actually finished is 93.3, and he's faced defenses ranked 16th or better in 6 of those games. McCown played 1 defense in the top 20, and scored 13 points
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
If Cutler had put up a 75.0 Passer rating in the Lovie Era there'd be no defending him.
There were roughly 10000 more, but I got bored.
I'm not saying it doesn't have it's uses, it's just easily the worst single stat to use when arguing what is or isn't an average QB. Have you ever quoted a baseball player's batting average in the context of an argument while also understanding that isn't the single stat you would use to most effectively quantify his actual contributions?
Also I believe the quote from 12/31/2013 was discussing Carson Palmer's 2013 campaign, not Jay's. Since we're obviously being pedants.
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2014, 04:39:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2014, 04:36:42 PM
So, it's a good stat until it isn't?
Quote from: SKO, 8/19/2014
The last time (Jay Cutler played the Saints) he threw for 350+ yards and had a passer rating of over 100
Quote from: SKO, 8/18/2014
He (Carson Palmer) went from an 8-13 ratio with a 69.5 rating when I said that (something brilliant, no doubt) to 16:9 with a 96.5 rating in his last 9.
Quote from: SKO, 8/18/2014
(Talking about Erik Kramer for some reason) 1993-1995 though he had a 45:21 ratio, 91.2 rating, 61.2% completions
Quote from: SKO, 5/29/14
So basically if McCown repeats anything close to last year (worth noting a 90+ passer rating would be more than 10 points below what he managed last year, so I gave him some leeway, he'd basically be the first guy to ever really repeat a "breakout" season at such a late age.
Quote from: SKO, 5/29/14
Gannon had three seasons before his 90+ rating season at age 35 where he took at least 200 attempts and had a rating over 80
Quote from: SKO, 2/4/14
I can't imagine any other weak armed backup with a 68.6 QB rating getting this much attention if his own fanbase hadn't spent two years saying he was a leader and not a glory boy showboat like RGIII and was the rightful starter
Quote from: SKO 12/31/2013
I guess the question is whether you place all of the emphasis on his (Cutler's) very encouraging 96.5 rating and 16-9 ratio in the last nine games or if you look at his kind of turd-like first 7 games
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
I'm saying judging jay's entire future based on a game where he was down 14-0 and 21-0 before he could even take a breath is absurd, when he's finished with a passer rating of 100+ in his last three full starts before that. I mean, his body of work is what it is
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
again, Cutler's passer rating in the 8 games he actually finished is 93.3, and he's faced defenses ranked 16th or better in 6 of those games. McCown played 1 defense in the top 20, and scored 13 points
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
If Cutler had put up a 75.0 Passer rating in the Lovie Era there'd be no defending him.
There were roughly 10000 more, but I got bored.
I'm not saying it doesn't have it's uses, it's just easily the worst single stat to use when arguing what is or isn't an average QB. Have you ever quoted a baseball player's batting average in the context of an argument while also understanding that isn't the single stat you would use to most effectively quantify his actual contributions?
So, it's the worst stat to use in isolation except for like the 50 times you've used it?
As for batting average, I can't recall using it outside a slash line in years.
Maybe in a few years you'll feel that way about QB Rating and you can laugh at the old days when you only used it when it suited you.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2014, 04:42:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2014, 04:39:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2014, 04:36:42 PM
So, it's a good stat until it isn't?
Quote from: SKO, 8/19/2014
The last time (Jay Cutler played the Saints) he threw for 350+ yards and had a passer rating of over 100
Quote from: SKO, 8/18/2014
He (Carson Palmer) went from an 8-13 ratio with a 69.5 rating when I said that (something brilliant, no doubt) to 16:9 with a 96.5 rating in his last 9.
Quote from: SKO, 8/18/2014
(Talking about Erik Kramer for some reason) 1993-1995 though he had a 45:21 ratio, 91.2 rating, 61.2% completions
Quote from: SKO, 5/29/14
So basically if McCown repeats anything close to last year (worth noting a 90+ passer rating would be more than 10 points below what he managed last year, so I gave him some leeway, he'd basically be the first guy to ever really repeat a "breakout" season at such a late age.
Quote from: SKO, 5/29/14
Gannon had three seasons before his 90+ rating season at age 35 where he took at least 200 attempts and had a rating over 80
Quote from: SKO, 2/4/14
I can't imagine any other weak armed backup with a 68.6 QB rating getting this much attention if his own fanbase hadn't spent two years saying he was a leader and not a glory boy showboat like RGIII and was the rightful starter
Quote from: SKO 12/31/2013
I guess the question is whether you place all of the emphasis on his (Cutler's) very encouraging 96.5 rating and 16-9 ratio in the last nine games or if you look at his kind of turd-like first 7 games
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
I'm saying judging jay's entire future based on a game where he was down 14-0 and 21-0 before he could even take a breath is absurd, when he's finished with a passer rating of 100+ in his last three full starts before that. I mean, his body of work is what it is
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
again, Cutler's passer rating in the 8 games he actually finished is 93.3, and he's faced defenses ranked 16th or better in 6 of those games. McCown played 1 defense in the top 20, and scored 13 points
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
If Cutler had put up a 75.0 Passer rating in the Lovie Era there'd be no defending him.
There were roughly 10000 more, but I got bored.
I'm not saying it doesn't have it's uses, it's just easily the worst single stat to use when arguing what is or isn't an average QB. Have you ever quoted a baseball player's batting average in the context of an argument while also understanding that isn't the single stat you would use to most effectively quantify his actual contributions?
So, it's the worst stat to use in isolation except for like the 50 times you've used it?
As for batting average, I can't recall using it outside a slash line in years.
Maybe in a few years you'll feel that way about QB Rating and you can laugh at the old days when you only used it when it suited you.
Generally speaking it's a useful tool for measuring the overall effectiveness of a passing offense, but it has it's downside in that it over-emphasizes completions and de-emphasizes yards per attempt. Again, it's not worthless, I do use it (often in the football equivalent of a slash line of YPA/TD:INT Ratio/Completion %/Rating in that order), I just don't like to regard it as definitive in any way when you can get a guy like Alex Smith racking up ratings in the 90s by completing 70% of his five yard hooks. I was just saying that you posted a nice chart that had a lot of wonderful ways of showing that Jay was average and you picked to me the least important and most inefficient of those stats to make your argument, when AY/A+, which weights much more properly a QBs individual contributions to an offense, was right there and as equally underwhelming.
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2014, 04:48:01 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2014, 04:42:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2014, 04:39:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2014, 04:36:42 PM
So, it's a good stat until it isn't?
Quote from: SKO, 8/19/2014
The last time (Jay Cutler played the Saints) he threw for 350+ yards and had a passer rating of over 100
Quote from: SKO, 8/18/2014
He (Carson Palmer) went from an 8-13 ratio with a 69.5 rating when I said that (something brilliant, no doubt) to 16:9 with a 96.5 rating in his last 9.
Quote from: SKO, 8/18/2014
(Talking about Erik Kramer for some reason) 1993-1995 though he had a 45:21 ratio, 91.2 rating, 61.2% completions
Quote from: SKO, 5/29/14
So basically if McCown repeats anything close to last year (worth noting a 90+ passer rating would be more than 10 points below what he managed last year, so I gave him some leeway, he'd basically be the first guy to ever really repeat a "breakout" season at such a late age.
Quote from: SKO, 5/29/14
Gannon had three seasons before his 90+ rating season at age 35 where he took at least 200 attempts and had a rating over 80
Quote from: SKO, 2/4/14
I can't imagine any other weak armed backup with a 68.6 QB rating getting this much attention if his own fanbase hadn't spent two years saying he was a leader and not a glory boy showboat like RGIII and was the rightful starter
Quote from: SKO 12/31/2013
I guess the question is whether you place all of the emphasis on his (Cutler's) very encouraging 96.5 rating and 16-9 ratio in the last nine games or if you look at his kind of turd-like first 7 games
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
I'm saying judging jay's entire future based on a game where he was down 14-0 and 21-0 before he could even take a breath is absurd, when he's finished with a passer rating of 100+ in his last three full starts before that. I mean, his body of work is what it is
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
again, Cutler's passer rating in the 8 games he actually finished is 93.3, and he's faced defenses ranked 16th or better in 6 of those games. McCown played 1 defense in the top 20, and scored 13 points
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
If Cutler had put up a 75.0 Passer rating in the Lovie Era there'd be no defending him.
There were roughly 10000 more, but I got bored.
I'm not saying it doesn't have it's uses, it's just easily the worst single stat to use when arguing what is or isn't an average QB. Have you ever quoted a baseball player's batting average in the context of an argument while also understanding that isn't the single stat you would use to most effectively quantify his actual contributions?
So, it's the worst stat to use in isolation except for like the 50 times you've used it?
As for batting average, I can't recall using it outside a slash line in years.
Maybe in a few years you'll feel that way about QB Rating and you can laugh at the old days when you only used it when it suited you.
Generally speaking it's a useful tool for measuring the overall effectiveness of a passing offense, but it has it's downside in that it over-emphasizes completions and de-emphasizes yards per attempt. Again, it's not worthless, I do use it (often in the football equivalent of a slash line of YPA/TD:INT Ratio/Completion %/Rating in that order), I just don't like to regard it as definitive in any way when you can get a guy like Alex Smith racking up ratings in the 90s by completing 70% of his five yard hooks. I was just saying that you posted a nice chart that had a lot of wonderful ways of showing that Jay was average and you picked to me the least important and most inefficient of those stats to make your argument, when AY/A+, which weights much more properly a QBs individual contributions to an offense, was right there and as equally underwhelming.
I also tend to use it in arguments more than I'd prefer to because it's a stat people are familiar with. Few people are as invested in stats like AY/A+ or DYAR or PFF Grade or Adjusted QB Rating as I am and using those in arguments tends to get me lobbed with accusations of cherry-picking (often totally, totally valid accusations).
Well, I definitely got my quarter's worth.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2014, 04:51:21 PM
Well, I definitely got my quarter's worth.
Glad I could help. Wouldn't want you to spend the day thinking about blowing a last second lead to Mike Glennon at home or anything.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2014, 04:51:21 PM
Well, I definitely got my quarter's worth.
Is there a thread for your favorite team somewhere that I could read every day waiting for something to seize upon even though I don't actually care about that team or what's being said? Thanks in advance.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2014, 04:51:21 PM
Well, I definitely got my quarter's worth.
To be fair, you had to do a bit of work yourself, but kudos.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 29, 2014, 06:09:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2014, 04:51:21 PM
Well, I definitely got my quarter's worth.
Is there a thread for your favorite team somewhere that I could read every day waiting for something to seize upon even though I don't actually care about that team or what's being said? Thanks in advance.
Sterling makes a reasonable point.
I must have clicked on this thread a dozen times today.
I wasn't disappointed.
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2014, 04:15:55 PM
But basically Bears fans have lived in horrible jealousy of the fuckheads to the north who have benefitted from two Hall of Fame quarterbacks for twenty years and they make it look so easy and we reach the point where half the fan base (as evidence by our moron friend CFIHP) would rather just tank every year on the off chance of maybe finding one of those transcendent QBs and risk never being competitive again, I guess, rather than watch them try to build a solid roster around Cutler and hope to ride a hot streak to a Flacco or Eli-esque title run, knowing full well the odds are more in favor of another 8-8 dickpunch.
TL, DR: watching too much Aaron Rodgers has definitely ruined the fan base, because we'll never get to have one of those as long as I live and I know it.
The Colts have managed to do the whole tank and draft an elite QB thing twice in my lifetime. Evaluations of the NFL draft show that the value in the first round is either really early, or really late, but if you're drafting in the middle, any of those picks are basically as good as any other one.
This team had a chance to win a Super Bowl ala the Ravens or Giants for much of the last decade, when it had a very good to dominant defense. The Giants teams that got there could rush the passer. The Ravens defense was good. Even the Steelers defenses in Roethlisberger's Super Bowls was above average.
Going all in on offense now, when you know the defense is going to be awful for some time, doesn't make sense. Unless 8-8 or a Wild Card flameout is your goal. Then it makes tons of sense. Having a QB that could still get a ton out of Forte/Marshall/Jeffery/Bennett while being more consistent than Cutler (the quarter-by-quarter variance in his QB rating each game is mind-boggling most Sundays) and using the resources you'd save to more quickly rebuild the defense makes more sense.
The late and ill-advised throw on the slant was bad. Throwing to a guy short of the end zone at the end of the first half was bad. Throwing the ball into the gut of a d-lineman and costing the team a win in Week 1 was really bad.
It's not just Rodgers that has ruined this fan base. It's the failure of the team to get someone like Roethlisberger or Eli or Philip Rivers or Brees in that entire decade of opportunity the defense gave them. They went out and got Cutler, and that ended up both being a mistake (it didn't work), and then they double-downed on that mistake. The cost in draft picks and salary cap space is significant.
But hey, he's going to shatter Sid Luckman's record, and he makes some great throws to freaks of nature from time to time....so I should just be overjoyed Cutler is better than the feces that has lined up under center for most of my lifetime and be happy we have him. QB is the single-most important position in any professional sport today. I agree that we root for a franchise that will never bless us with a truly elite player at that position.
I held out in turning on Cutler for a long fucking time. But then I was in Minneosta in 2012, when he threw two awful lazy back-foot INTs that kept that 10 win team from being an 11-win team...and allowed the Vikings to be a 10-win team and edge out the Bears, so they could start Joe Fucking Webb in Green Bay in the wild card round. That season came down to those two awful balls Jay threw. Everything else good he did that season - that's what he's supposed to do. The window closed with those INTs. And instead of rebuilding in a reasoned and methodical manner, we're throwing tons of money at Cutler hoping it'll somehow work out. It's fucking insane. He cost us our best chances to win, and now he's costing us our chance to rebuild. Fuck him twice.
Maybe his kid can give him some sort of disease that could be prevented by immunization. It's the best way out of his contract that I can see.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on September 29, 2014, 10:27:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2014, 04:15:55 PM
But basically Bears fans have lived in horrible jealousy of the fuckheads to the north who have benefitted from two Hall of Fame quarterbacks for twenty years and they make it look so easy and we reach the point where half the fan base (as evidence by our moron friend CFIHP) would rather just tank every year on the off chance of maybe finding one of those transcendent QBs and risk never being competitive again, I guess, rather than watch them try to build a solid roster around Cutler and hope to ride a hot streak to a Flacco or Eli-esque title run, knowing full well the odds are more in favor of another 8-8 dickpunch.
TL, DR: watching too much Aaron Rodgers has definitely ruined the fan base, because we'll never get to have one of those as long as I live and I know it.
The Colts have managed to do the whole tank and draft an elite QB thing twice in my lifetime. Evaluations of the NFL draft show that the value in the first round is either really early, or really late, but if you're drafting in the middle, any of those picks are basically as good as any other one.
This team had a chance to win a Super Bowl ala the Ravens or Giants for much of the last decade, when it had a very good to dominant defense. The Giants teams that got there could rush the passer. The Ravens defense was good. Even the Steelers defenses in Roethlisberger's Super Bowls was above average.
Going all in on offense now, when you know the defense is going to be awful for some time, doesn't make sense. Unless 8-8 or a Wild Card flameout is your goal. Then it makes tons of sense. Having a QB that could still get a ton out of Forte/Marshall/Jeffery/Bennett while being more consistent than Cutler (the quarter-by-quarter variance in his QB rating each game is mind-boggling most Sundays) and using the resources you'd save to more quickly rebuild the defense makes more sense.
The late and ill-advised throw on the slant was bad. Throwing to a guy short of the end zone at the end of the first half was bad. Throwing the ball into the gut of a d-lineman and costing the team a win in Week 1 was really bad.
It's not just Rodgers that has ruined this fan base. It's the failure of the team to get someone like Roethlisberger or Eli or Philip Rivers or Brees in that entire decade of opportunity the defense gave them. They went out and got Cutler, and that ended up both being a mistake (it didn't work), and then they double-downed on that mistake. The cost in draft picks and salary cap space is significant.
But hey, he's going to shatter Sid Luckman's record, and he makes some great throws to freaks of nature from time to time....so I should just be overjoyed Cutler is better than the feces that has lined up under center for most of my lifetime and be happy we have him. QB is the single-most important position in any professional sport today. I agree that we root for a franchise that will never bless us with a truly elite player at that position.
I held out in turning on Cutler for a long fucking time. But then I was in Minneosta in 2012, when he threw two awful lazy back-foot INTs that kept that 10 win team from being an 11-win team...and allowed the Vikings to be a 10-win team and edge out the Bears, so they could start Joe Fucking Webb in Green Bay in the wild card round. That season came down to those two awful balls Jay threw. Everything else good he did that season - that's what he's supposed to do. The window closed with those INTs. And instead of rebuilding in a reasoned and methodical manner, we're throwing tons of money at Cutler hoping it'll somehow work out. It's fucking insane. He cost us our best chances to win, and now he's costing us our chance to rebuild. Fuck him twice.
Maybe his kid can give him some sort of disease that could be prevented by immunization. It's the best way out of his contract that I can see.
Or they could move on after next year when his dead money for 2016 would be all of three million dollars. Numbers are hard.
Quote The cost in draft picks and salary cap space is significant.
This is so dumb it hurts.
The cost in draft picks? From four years ago? That were traded by a GM who was notoriously terrible at drafting? There are
four Angelo draft picks on the active roster out of ten drafts. You really think those two first round picks they gave up were that valuable? Considering Angelo has said he was going to use one of them on a quarterback (hello, Josh Freeman!) anyway? From a guy whose most successful first round pick was Greg Olsen?
As for the salary cap space? It's actually not significant. His largest cap hit is this year, and I suppose the team could have abandoned Cutler, kept McGowan (who is doing such a bang up job) and spent that money on defensive free agents like the star of the stellar 2014 Saints defense Jairus Byrd, but that's not how rebuilding works, which seems to be thing you're harping on.
So as far as actually rebuilding, which is done through the draft, Cutler is still hurting them....how? In fact, keeping Cutler prevented them from feeling the need to spend a worthwhile top half draft pick on a project QB and allowed them to spend first, second, third, and fourth round picks on defense, on players who have all contributed so far this year. Cutler's hurting that rebuild how? After this year is cap hits drop to an average of about 16 million a year with a salary cap projected to be north of $140 million. By the time Wilson and Luck and Newton get their new deals he'll be lucky to be the 12th or 13th highest paid player at his position, and, as I mentioned, they can move on after next year at the cost of about $5 million scattered over 3 years. It's an easily disposable contract.
I'm also glad that you think the Bears need to tank like the Colts and get a quarterback like Andrew Luck, who has a lower career completion %, YPA, QB Rating (sorry, Pen), and TD% than Jay Cutler (he is first in the NFL in TD passes this year, three ahead of #2, Human Dumpster Fire Jay Cutler). But surely he does a better job than Jay would of winning six games a year vs. the Jaguars and Titans and Texans.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on September 29, 2014, 10:27:43 PM
The Colts have managed to do the whole tank and draft an elite QB thing twice in my lifetime. Evaluations of the NFL draft show that the value in the first round is either really early, or really late, but if you're drafting in the middle, any of those picks are basically as good as any other one.
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As for the Bears' early top 10 picks in my lifetime, let's see
Cedric Benson (4) 2005
David Terrell (8) 2001
Brian Urlacher (9) 2000
Curtis Enis (5) 1998
Curtis Conway (7) 1993
Mark Carrier (6) 1990
Jim Covert (6) 1983
Jim McMahon (5) 1982
Dan Hampton (4) 1979
Al Harris (9) 1979
Dennis Lick (8) 1976
Walter Payton (4) 1975
Let's see: two Hall of Famers, another (Covert) that would have been had his career been longer, a fourth that will likely be in the Hall of Fame, three guys (Harris, McMahon, and Carrier) that had more than 2 solid seasons for the Bears, and four busts (Enis, Benson, Lick and Terrell).
(Prior to 1975, the last time the Bears drafted anyone worth a shit in the first round was in 1965 when they had the third, fourth and sixth overall picks in which they picked some white guy from Illinois and a RB from Kansas -- don't they know Kansas sucks at football -- and Steve DeLong).
Bears picks 11-20 since 1975:
Kyle Fuller (14) 2014
Kyle Long (20) 2013
Shea McLellin (19) 2012
Chris Williams (14) 2008
Tommie Harris (14) 2004
Michael Haynes (14) 2003
Cade McNown (12) 1999
Walt Harris (13) 1996
John Thierry (11) 1994
Donnell Woolford (11) 1989
Trace Armstrong (12) 1989
Wilber Marshall (11) 1984
Willie Gault (18) 1983
Keith Van Horne (11) 1981
Otis Wilson (19) 1980
Ted Albrecht (15) 1977
Of this group, seven were Pro Bowl caliber for more than a season (Wilson, Van Horne, Marshall, Armstrong, Woolford, Harris, and Harris), two others were starters for multiple years (Albrecht and Gault), four were total busts, and the other three are current starters (McLellin is most likely to slide into the bust department, but Long has been an anchor on the line and Fuller has been promising).
25% busts in the middle of the first vs. 33% in the top of the first.
How about first-round choices between 21-32?
Gabe Carimi (29) 2011
Greg Olsen (31) 2007
Rex Grossman (22) 2003
Marc Colombo (29) 2002
Rashaan Salaam (21) 1995
Alonzo Spellman (22) 1992
Stan Thomas (22) 1991
Brad Muster (23) 1988
Wendell Davis (27) 1988
Jim Harbaugh (26) 1987
Neal Anderson (27) 1986
William Perry (22) 1985
Of this group, 7 (Fridge, Anderson, Pleats, Davis, Muster, Grossman, Olsen) were productive players in some fashion for more than a couple seasons during their pro careers. Olson, Anderson, and Pleats had at least one Pro Bowl caliber season (Pleats did it in Indy a couple years before Peyton Manning began his run, making one wonder if maybe the environs of the Hoosier Dome yield different results than Soldier Field). The other five (Thomas, Spellman, Salaam, Colombo, Carimi) were total busts, even if Spellman was a starter for a couple forgettable years. Perry was a disappointment as he never could keep his weight under control. Wendell Davis was a serviceable starting WR. Brad Muster essentially gave the Bears four more seasons of Matt Suhey Lite. And Rex, like him or not, was the quarterback when they went to a Super Bowl.)
Eh, not much value there. Knock out the Finks era picks, and there's very little.
First-Round QBs
2014
Blake Bortles (3)
Johnny Manziel (22)
Teddy Bridgewater (31)
2013
E.J. "SKO" Manuel (16)
2012
Andrew Luck (1)
RG III (2)
Ryan Tannehill (8)
2011
Cam Newton (1)
Jake Locker (8)
Blaine Gabbert (10)
Christian Ponder (12)
2010
Sam Bradford (1)
Tim Tebow (25)
2009
Matt Stafford (1)
Mark Sanchez (5)
Josh Freeman (17)
2008
Matt Ryan (3)
Joe Flacco (18)
2007
JaMarcus Russell (1)
Brady Quinn (22)
2006
Vince Young (3)
Matt Leinart (10)
Human Dumpster Fire (11)
2005
Alex Smith (1)
Aaron Rodgers (20 picks after Cedric Benson)
Jason Campbell (25)
2004
Eli Manning (1)
Philip Rivers (4)
Roethlisberger (11)
J.P. Losman (22)
2003
Carson Palmer (1)
Byron Leftwich (7)
Kyle Boller (19)
Rex Grossman (22)
2002
David Carr (1)
Joey Harrington (3)
Patrick Ramsey (32)
2001
Michael Vick (1)
2000
Chad Pennington (18)
1999
Tim Couch (1)
Donovan McNabb (2)
Akili Smith (3)
Daunte Culpepper (11)
Cade McNown (12)
1998
Peyton Manning (1)
Ryan Leaf (2)
1997
Jim Druckenmiller (26)
1995
Steve McNair (3)
Kerry Collins (5)
1994
Heath Shuler (3)
Trent Dilfer (6)
1993
Drew Bledsoe (1)
Rick Mirer (2)
1992
David Klingler (6)
Tommy Maddox (25)
1991
Dan McGwire (16)
Todd Marinovich (24)
1990
Jeff George (1)
Andre Ware (3)
1989
Troy Aikman (1)
1987
Vinny Testaverde (1)
Kelly Stouffer (6)
Chris Miller (13)
Jim Harbaugh (26)
1986
Jim Everett (3)
Chuck Long (12)
1983
John Elway (1)
Todd Blackledge (7)
Jim Kelly (14)
Tony Eason (15)
Ken O'Brien (24)
Dan Marino (27)
Since 1983, 72 QBs have gone in the first round.
Of the 30 guys who went 1-3, are there 12 worth tanking for? To be generous, I'll grant you 12: Elway (shit, was this your other Colts tank job for franchise QB?), Aikman, McNair, Manning, McNabb, Vick, Palmer, Eli Manning, Ryan, Stafford, Newton, Luck).
-Obviously, the tank job the Colts did in 1982 wasn't worth it as they dealt Elway.
-McNair, McNabb, Vick, Palmer, Ryan, and Cam Newton were thrown in charitably. Would you want any of these six over Cutler?
- Eight combined Super Bowl championships among four of them. Not bad.
However, look at that list and see what tanking also can get you. And count the QBs you could say are honestly better than Cutler.
By my scientific pissed-off-by midnight count, I counted 30 QBs to be "worth a shit" (fuck you SKO stat-faggery and Pen's QB rating) out of 72:
Elway#
Kelly##
O'Brien*
Marino+
Everett*
Testaverde*
Miller*
Harbaugh*
Aikman^
Bledsoe*
McNair*
P. Manning
McNabb*
Culpepper*
Pennington*
Vick*
Palmer*
Grossman*
E. Manning#
Rivers*
Roethliesberger
Rodgers&
Cutler*
Ryan*
Flacco*
Stafford*
Newton*
Luck$
RGIII*
Bridgewater*
*- QBs, that while worth a shit, you'd be criminally insane to even craft an argument that it would be worth it to tank the season to get (21 of those).
^ - While the Cowboys certainly tanked under Tom Landry to get Troy Aikman and Landry was prepared to select him, he and Tex Schram were ousted by Jerry Jones, so the tanking didn't work for management.
#- Refused to play for the tanking team.
##-Initially refused to play for the tanking team, going to the USFL. However, he came crawling back a couple years later, and the Bills tanked some more and added more players, like Bruce Smith and Thurman Thomas.
&- Team did not have to tank to get him, but they had to push out an aging gunslinger to actually play him.
$- Yeah, not really worth tanking for.
+- Yeah, just about the whole NFL could have drafted him.
So, yeah, if you can tank and get Manning or Jim Kelly, go for it. By all means.
I'll tell you what I'm really enjoying about this season: BC shitting all over my Facebook feed for two hours every Sunday night.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2014, 04:36:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 29, 2014, 04:15:55 PM
There are like fifty more useful stats, all of which would have backed up your point about Jay being a mostly average quarterback in his career to this point, and you choose to emphasize QB rating, which is the dumbest stat of them all. Even when you're right, you are so wrong about how you choose to do it.
And yeah, what Eli said. It's that his highs are so high and his lows are so low that it lends itself to a polarization and each and every throw and game leads to a brand new referendum on whether he's "finally getting it" or "never going to be a winner" instead of just saying "oh, he played well today" or "oh, he fucked up today" and moving on. There are people who want to call it his signature game when he goes off for 176 yards and what was basically just a really nice performance in the red zone and there are people who want to signal him out as the main culprit for losing a game when the defense literally did not stop a single opposing drive.
A lot of it also boils down to the way this entire league is pitched as THE LEAGUE OF ELITE QUARTERBACKING. There's maybe two quarterbacks in the entire league in Rodgers and Peyton who are so productive and so immune to fuckups that they can singlehandedly will their teams to 10 wins minimum a year, and then there are a lot of guys who can do a passable imitation of those two if things break right. Breesus has gone 7-9 or 8-8 multiple times in New Orleans. Philip Rivers was written off for dead before last year. Brady is finally dying and it's glorious. But basically Bears fans have lived in horrible jealousy of the fuckheads to the north who have benefitted from two Hall of Fame quarterbacks for twenty years and they make it look so easy and we reach the point where half the fan base (as evidence by our moron friend CFIHP) would rather just tank every year on the off chance of maybe finding one of those transcendent QBs and risk never being competitive again, I guess, rather than watch them try to build a solid roster around Cutler and hope to ride a hot streak to a Flacco or Eli-esque title run, knowing full well the odds are more in favor of another 8-8 dickpunch.
TL, DR: watching too much Aaron Rodgers has definitely ruined the fan base, because we'll never get to have one of those as long as I live and I know it.
So, it's a good stat until it isn't?
Quote from: SKO, 8/19/2014
The last time (Jay Cutler played the Saints) he threw for 350+ yards and had a passer rating of over 100
Quote from: SKO, 8/18/2014
He (Carson Palmer) went from an 8-13 ratio with a 69.5 rating when I said that (something brilliant, no doubt) to 16:9 with a 96.5 rating in his last 9.
Quote from: SKO, 8/18/2014
(Talking about Erik Kramer for some reason) 1993-1995 though he had a 45:21 ratio, 91.2 rating, 61.2% completions
Quote from: SKO, 5/29/14
So basically if McCown repeats anything close to last year (worth noting a 90+ passer rating would be more than 10 points below what he managed last year, so I gave him some leeway, he'd basically be the first guy to ever really repeat a "breakout" season at such a late age.
Quote from: SKO, 5/29/14
Gannon had three seasons before his 90+ rating season at age 35 where he took at least 200 attempts and had a rating over 80
Quote from: SKO, 2/4/14
I can't imagine any other weak armed backup with a 68.6 QB rating getting this much attention if his own fanbase hadn't spent two years saying he was a leader and not a glory boy showboat like RGIII and was the rightful starter
Quote from: SKO 12/31/2013
I guess the question is whether you place all of the emphasis on his (Cutler's) very encouraging 96.5 rating and 16-9 ratio in the last nine games or if you look at his kind of turd-like first 7 games
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
I'm saying judging jay's entire future based on a game where he was down 14-0 and 21-0 before he could even take a breath is absurd, when he's finished with a passer rating of 100+ in his last three full starts before that. I mean, his body of work is what it is
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
again, Cutler's passer rating in the 8 games he actually finished is 93.3, and he's faced defenses ranked 16th or better in 6 of those games. McCown played 1 defense in the top 20, and scored 13 points
Quote from: SKO 12/23/2013
If Cutler had put up a 75.0 Passer rating in the Lovie Era there'd be no defending him.
There were roughly 10000 more, but I got bored.
OH SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: flannj on September 29, 2014, 09:25:44 PM
I must have clicked on this thread a dozen times today.
I wasn't disappointed.
I was.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on September 29, 2014, 10:27:43 PM
then they double-downed on that mistake
Even Huey can laugh at this one.
Quote from: Eli on September 29, 2014, 07:21:49 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 29, 2014, 06:09:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2014, 04:51:21 PM
Well, I definitely got my quarter's worth.
Is there a thread for your favorite team somewhere that I could read every day waiting for something to seize upon even though I don't actually care about that team or what's being said? Thanks in advance.
Sterling makes a reasonable point.
I'm a Cubs fan who's not a Bears fan. So, this is how I have to get entertainment round these parts during football season.
You want to start a Steelers thread, I'll be there.
Quote from: Slaky on September 30, 2014, 08:41:38 AM
Quote from: flannj on September 29, 2014, 09:25:44 PM
I must have clicked on this thread a dozen times today.
I wasn't disappointed.
I was.
*searches in vain for button to like or fave this*
2015 Draft will be held in Chicago.
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Quote from: PenFoe on October 02, 2014, 04:49:14 PM
2015 Draft will be held in Chicago.
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Hundreds of Bears fans show up for round 1 only to be disappointed when Emery trades down from pick 32 and DEN BLOWS A PICK in da secont rount on a player dat Hub had as a turd rounder before da combine.
I've been to a few NFL drafts. Think of a room full of guys who make SKO look like he has only a passing interest in football, while they all have only a passing interest in personal hygeine.
Quote from: Fork on October 02, 2014, 05:36:33 PM
I've been to a few NFL drafts. Think of a room full of guys who make SKO look like he has only a passing interest in football, while they all have only a passing interest in personal hygeine.
But do they have belts?
Quote from: Bort on October 02, 2014, 06:05:46 PM
Quote from: Fork on October 02, 2014, 05:36:33 PM
I've been to a few NFL drafts. Think of a room full of guys who make SKO look like he has only a passing interest in football, while they all have only a passing interest in personal hygeine.
But do they have belts?
Nay. See our guts are the source of our hot takes, thus none of us can dare to restrict them with some oppressive belt.
Lost in the jokes: Fork went to an NFL draft.
Quote from: Bort on October 02, 2014, 06:05:46 PM
Quote from: Fork on October 02, 2014, 05:36:33 PM
I've been to a few NFL drafts. Think of a room full of guys who make SKO look like he has only a passing interest in football, while they all have only a passing interest in personal hygeine.
But do they have belts?
Come on Bort, Zubaz don't have belt loops.
Quote from: Slaky on October 03, 2014, 08:53:36 AM
Lost in the jokes: Fork went to an NFL draft.
More than one, apparently.
Quote from: Slaky on October 03, 2014, 08:53:36 AM
Lost in the jokes: Fork went to an NFL draft.
I worked with a guy whose brother worked for the NFL, so we always got in easily. It was fun watching the Jets fans lose their shit on an annual basis.
Quote from: PANK! on October 03, 2014, 09:07:37 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 03, 2014, 08:53:36 AM
Lost in the jokes: Fork went to an NFL draft.
More than one, apparently.
GMs would call him into the draft room to get first hand injury recovery info.
Quote from: BH on October 03, 2014, 10:04:50 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 03, 2014, 09:07:37 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 03, 2014, 08:53:36 AM
Lost in the jokes: Fork went to an NFL draft.
More than one, apparently.
GMs would call him into the draft room to get first hand injury recovery info.
On the one hand, you've made this exact same joke 9000 times.
On the other hand, this was funny.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 03, 2014, 10:17:40 AM
Quote from: BH on October 03, 2014, 10:04:50 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 03, 2014, 09:07:37 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 03, 2014, 08:53:36 AM
Lost in the jokes: Fork went to an NFL draft.
More than one, apparently.
GMs would call him into the draft room to get first hand injury recovery info.
On the one hand, you've made this exact same joke 9000 times.
On the other hand, this was funny.
How many hands do you have?
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on October 03, 2014, 10:22:39 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 03, 2014, 10:17:40 AM
Quote from: BH on October 03, 2014, 10:04:50 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 03, 2014, 09:07:37 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 03, 2014, 08:53:36 AM
Lost in the jokes: Fork went to an NFL draft.
More than one, apparently.
GMs would call him into the draft room to get first hand injury recovery info.
On the one hand, you've made this exact same joke 9000 times.
On the other hand, this was funny.
How many hands do you have?
I'm no mathmagician but I count two in that post.
Quote from: Bort on October 03, 2014, 10:35:44 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on October 03, 2014, 10:22:39 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 03, 2014, 10:17:40 AM
Quote from: BH on October 03, 2014, 10:04:50 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 03, 2014, 09:07:37 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 03, 2014, 08:53:36 AM
Lost in the jokes: Fork went to an NFL draft.
More than one, apparently.
GMs would call him into the draft room to get first hand injury recovery info.
On the one hand, you've made this exact same joke 9000 times.
On the other hand, this was funny.
How many hands do you have?
I'm no mathmagician but I count two in that post.
So two at a bare minimum.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 03, 2014, 11:01:21 AM
Quote from: Bort on October 03, 2014, 10:35:44 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on October 03, 2014, 10:22:39 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 03, 2014, 10:17:40 AM
Quote from: BH on October 03, 2014, 10:04:50 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 03, 2014, 09:07:37 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 03, 2014, 08:53:36 AM
Lost in the jokes: Fork went to an NFL draft.
More than one, apparently.
GMs would call him into the draft room to get first hand injury recovery info.
On the one hand, you've made this exact same joke 9000 times.
On the other hand, this was funny.
How many hands do you have?
I'm no mathmagician but I count two in that post.
So two at a bare minimum.
Exactly. I'm still waiting for an answer . . .
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on October 03, 2014, 11:14:57 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 03, 2014, 11:01:21 AM
Quote from: Bort on October 03, 2014, 10:35:44 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on October 03, 2014, 10:22:39 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 03, 2014, 10:17:40 AM
Quote from: BH on October 03, 2014, 10:04:50 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 03, 2014, 09:07:37 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 03, 2014, 08:53:36 AM
Lost in the jokes: Fork went to an NFL draft.
More than one, apparently.
GMs would call him into the draft room to get first hand injury recovery info.
On the one hand, you've made this exact same joke 9000 times.
On the other hand, this was funny.
How many hands do you have?
I'm no mathmagician but I count two in that post.
So two at a bare minimum.
Exactly. I'm still waiting for an answer . . .
Intrepid Reader: PenFoe*SLAP* *SLAP*
I'm always surprised by the number of people who aren't insane like me who watch the draft on TV, I can't even imagine who would enjoy actually going there to watch some awkward hugs after a guy reads a name off of a card.
Quote from: SKO on October 03, 2014, 11:21:44 AM
I'm always surprised by the number of people who aren't insane like me who watch the draft on TV, I can't even imagine who would enjoy actually going there to watch some awkward hugs after a guy reads a name off of a card.
Not to mention you don't have a place to charge your electric vagina.
Quote from: SKO on October 03, 2014, 11:21:44 AM
I'm always surprised by the number of people who aren't insane like me who watch the draft on TV, I can't even imagine who would enjoy actually going there to watch some awkward hugs after a guy reads a name off of a card.
Going to the NFL Draft for anything other than Round 1 so absolutely awful.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 03, 2014, 11:26:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 03, 2014, 11:21:44 AM
I'm always surprised by the number of people who aren't insane like me who watch the draft on TV, I can't even imagine who would enjoy actually going there to watch some awkward hugs after a guy reads a name off of a card.
Going to the NFL Draft for anything other than Round 1 so absolutely awful.
I don't even think going to round 1 sounds remotely appealing. I want highlight reels. I want drama. I want cameras making Brady Quinn sorry he was ever born. I want to laugh at whichever morons are calling Teddy Bridgewater a dual threat. I also want, like, stats and stuff. None of that is available at the draft.
Being surrounded by Jets fans when they took Lam Jones instead of Ronnie Lott was the best sports moment I've ever experienced live.
At least until I see the Cubs beat St. Louis in the NLCS.
Quote from: Fork on October 03, 2014, 11:22:31 PM
Being surrounded by Jets fans when they took Lam Jones instead of Ronnie Lott was the best sports moment I've ever experienced live.
At least until I see the Cubs beat St. Louis in the NLCS.
This is sufficiently enjoyable : http://youtu.be/rZxNeFLuY98
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2014, 09:40:34 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 03, 2014, 11:22:31 PM
Being surrounded by Jets fans when they took Lam Jones instead of Ronnie Lott was the best sports moment I've ever experienced live.
At least until I see the Cubs beat St. Louis in the NLCS.
This is sufficiently enjoyable : http://youtu.be/rZxNeFLuY98
Despite Chris Berman doing his best to ruin it.
Paging Mr. Dave Toub.
Mr. Dave Toub please pick up the white courtesy phone.
Forte's fumble was bad....but if the human dumpster fire doesn't let loose that god-awful lazy fucking overthrow on the series before, that sequence of events never gets set in motion.
3 points and a horribly ineffective QB in the 2nd half. A QB who has only done things when the defense has gift-wrapped him balls in the red zone (or close to).
This team sucks. This QB sucks.
damn it's silent in here,,..
I'm beginning to lose my faith in Trestman. That's two weeks in a row he's gotten completely schooled in the second half of games.
Quote from: PANK! on October 06, 2014, 08:52:51 AMI'm beginning to lose my faith in Trestman. That's two weeks in a row he's gotten completely schooled in the second half of games.
Outscored by a combined 34-3 margin. The defense is doing what we'd hoped it would - which is to say it's not a *complete* vortex of suck. So it's maddening to watch an offense with this much talent, and a supposed big sports brain at the helm, shoot itself in the nuts over and over again. They were supposed to be significantly better in year 2 of this system, and they're significantly worse.
Quote from: PANK! on October 06, 2014, 08:52:51 AM
I'm beginning to lose my faith in Trestman. That's two weeks in a row he's gotten completely schooled in the second half of games.
I feel obligated to care because I've got tickets to three more games this year. I honestly think that things are not that far gone that a turnaround is out of the question. I think injuries on the offensive line and receiving corp have been extremely detrimental to this team's chances to come from behind. Once opponents figure out what the Bears can and can't block they've gotten pressure on Cutler and he's done the Jay Cutler things he's always done to capsize the team. He can afford it even less than ever these days because the defense and special teams simply can't bail them out anymore. It's almost a stunning turn of events when the defense gets off the field after anything other than an abject fuck up by an even more hapless opponent like the Jets.
So the offense has to get a lot better and I honestly think that it will. The special teams can't stay this bad and the injuries to that unit have been devastating as well. I'm not saying that the Bears are a good football team that has been undone by injuries so wait'll they get healthy and watch them go. I'm saying they're good enough to be in every single game - including Green Bay until late - and that the improvement needed to get over the hump in these games is not impossible to see from here.
And I wish I didn't have to care. I know, technically, I could sell the tickets and stop caring altogether but that takes effort and it would be the first time I've ever done it so it would feel extremely shitty to admit defeat like that. I don't want to go there. I want to go to Bears games in cold weather and root for a team in playoff contention like I always do.
Quote from: InternetApex on October 06, 2014, 09:54:14 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 06, 2014, 08:52:51 AM
I'm beginning to lose my faith in Trestman. That's two weeks in a row he's gotten completely schooled in the second half of games.
I feel obligated to care because I've got tickets to three more games this year. I honestly think that things are not that far gone that a turnaround is out of the question. I think injuries on the offensive line and receiving corp have been extremely detrimental to this team's chances to come from behind. Once opponents figure out what the Bears can and can't block they've gotten pressure on Cutler and he's done the Jay Cutler things he's always done to capsize the team. He can afford it even less than ever these days because the defense and special teams simply can't bail them out anymore. It's almost a stunning turn of events when the defense gets off the field after anything other than an abject fuck up by an even more hapless opponent like the Jets.
So the offense has to get a lot better and I honestly think that it will. The special teams can't stay this bad and the injuries to that unit have been devastating as well. I'm not saying that the Bears are a good football team that has been undone by injuries so wait'll they get healthy and watch them go. I'm saying they're good enough to be in every single game - including Green Bay until late - and that the improvement needed to get over the hump in these games is not impossible to see from here.
And I wish I didn't have to care. I know, technically, I could sell the tickets and stop caring altogether but that takes effort and it would be the first time I've ever done it so it would feel extremely shitty to admit defeat like that. I don't want to go there. I want to go to Bears games in cold weather and root for a team in playoff contention like I always do.
Yeah but that's the 8-8ers lament. Of course the Bears aren't bad in an absolute sense. There's more than enough talent. So you'll spend all year waiting for the run that never comes because they're just so close dammit. They've shown no ability to put it all together and haven't earned the benefit of the doubt. I'm done believing without proof.
Quote from: SKO on October 06, 2014, 11:51:50 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 06, 2014, 09:54:14 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 06, 2014, 08:52:51 AM
I'm beginning to lose my faith in Trestman. That's two weeks in a row he's gotten completely schooled in the second half of games.
I feel obligated to care because I've got tickets to three more games this year. I honestly think that things are not that far gone that a turnaround is out of the question. I think injuries on the offensive line and receiving corp have been extremely detrimental to this team's chances to come from behind. Once opponents figure out what the Bears can and can't block they've gotten pressure on Cutler and he's done the Jay Cutler things he's always done to capsize the team. He can afford it even less than ever these days because the defense and special teams simply can't bail them out anymore. It's almost a stunning turn of events when the defense gets off the field after anything other than an abject fuck up by an even more hapless opponent like the Jets.
So the offense has to get a lot better and I honestly think that it will. The special teams can't stay this bad and the injuries to that unit have been devastating as well. I'm not saying that the Bears are a good football team that has been undone by injuries so wait'll they get healthy and watch them go. I'm saying they're good enough to be in every single game - including Green Bay until late - and that the improvement needed to get over the hump in these games is not impossible to see from here.
And I wish I didn't have to care. I know, technically, I could sell the tickets and stop caring altogether but that takes effort and it would be the first time I've ever done it so it would feel extremely shitty to admit defeat like that. I don't want to go there. I want to go to Bears games in cold weather and root for a team in playoff contention like I always do.
Yeah but that's the 8-8ers lament. Of course the Bears aren't bad in an absolute sense. There's more than enough talent. So you'll spend all year waiting for the run that never comes because they're just so close dammit. They've shown no ability to put it all together and haven't earned the benefit of the doubt. I'm done believing without proof.
So do you want to go to a game or what?
Quote from: SKO on October 06, 2014, 11:51:50 AM
I'm done believing without proof.
What do you think the next 3-4 years should look like? Do they give this group another go or two, or should they start re-building (though I know teams don't really tear down and rebuild in the NFL)?
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2014, 12:00:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 06, 2014, 11:51:50 AM
I'm done believing without proof.
What do you think the next 3-4 years should look like? Do they give this group another go or two, or should they start re-building (though I know teams don't really tear down and rebuild in the NFL)?
Barring a 4-12 disaster that spurs a major house cleaning I see them sticking with the same core and adding to it with another free agency and draft focused on rebuilding the defense. Which Emery is actually not sucking at. The veterans were the failures yesterday. Ego and Fuller look great, Bostic is a competent linebacker whose absence really hurt vs. The run.
If they fail again next year Forte's deal is done, Jay can be cut, Marshall, etc. 2016 will be the rebuild year.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 05, 2014, 03:13:58 PM
Forte's fumble was bad....but if the human dumpster fire doesn't let loose that god-awful lazy fucking overthrow on the series before, that sequence of events never gets set in motion.
3 points and a horribly ineffective QB in the 2nd half. A QB who has only done things when the defense has gift-wrapped him balls in the red zone (or close to).
This team sucks. This QB sucks.
Matt Forte's Fumble Was The Most Damaging Play Of Week 5 (http://regressing.deadspin.com/matt-fortes-fumble-was-the-most-damaging-play-of-week-5-1642887004?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)
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With under fives minutes to play in a tie game, Chicago possessed the ball with an opportunity to control the clock and take the lead. But Matt Forte fumbled in what was the most detrimental play of the week. According to data from Brian Burke of Advanced Football Analytics the fumble lowered the Bears' Win Probability 34 percentage points.
Burke's Win Probability measures a variety of things, like time remaining, score, down, and distance. Forte's fumble was particularly costly given the score and time remaining in the game. The play lowered the Bears' Win Probability from 59 percent to 25 percent and led to Cam Newton's game-winning touchdown pass six plays later.
The Bears' previous possession also resulted in one of the most costly plays of the week as Jay Cutler's interception lowered their Win Probability 26 percentage points. The interception lowered the Bears' Win Probability from 80 percent to 54 percent and led to a Carolina field goal, which tied the game.
Next day Bears anger aside, it's actually pretty interesting.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2014, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 05, 2014, 03:13:58 PM
Forte's fumble was bad....but if the human dumpster fire doesn't let loose that god-awful lazy fucking overthrow on the series before, that sequence of events never gets set in motion.
3 points and a horribly ineffective QB in the 2nd half. A QB who has only done things when the defense has gift-wrapped him balls in the red zone (or close to).
This team sucks. This QB sucks.
Matt Forte's Fumble Was The Most Damaging Play Of Week 5 (http://regressing.deadspin.com/matt-fortes-fumble-was-the-most-damaging-play-of-week-5-1642887004?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)
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With under fives minutes to play in a tie game, Chicago possessed the ball with an opportunity to control the clock and take the lead. But Matt Forte fumbled in what was the most detrimental play of the week. According to data from Brian Burke of Advanced Football Analytics the fumble lowered the Bears' Win Probability 34 percentage points.
Burke's Win Probability measures a variety of things, like time remaining, score, down, and distance. Forte's fumble was particularly costly given the score and time remaining in the game. The play lowered the Bears' Win Probability from 59 percent to 25 percent and led to Cam Newton's game-winning touchdown pass six plays later.
The Bears' previous possession also resulted in one of the most costly plays of the week as Jay Cutler's interception lowered their Win Probability 26 percentage points. The interception lowered the Bears' Win Probability from 80 percent to 54 percent and led to a Carolina field goal, which tied the game.
Next day Bears anger aside, it's actually pretty interesting.
I love analytics as much as the next guy but did I really need to see the advanced math that "guy who fumbles at his own 30 with 3 minutes left in a tie ball game did a really bad thing?" No. I did not.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2014, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 05, 2014, 03:13:58 PM
Forte's fumble was bad....but if the human dumpster fire doesn't let loose that god-awful lazy fucking overthrow on the series before, that sequence of events never gets set in motion.
3 points and a horribly ineffective QB in the 2nd half. A QB who has only done things when the defense has gift-wrapped him balls in the red zone (or close to).
This team sucks. This QB sucks.
Matt Forte's Fumble Was The Most Damaging Play Of Week 5 (http://regressing.deadspin.com/matt-fortes-fumble-was-the-most-damaging-play-of-week-5-1642887004?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)
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With under fives minutes to play in a tie game, Chicago possessed the ball with an opportunity to control the clock and take the lead. But Matt Forte fumbled in what was the most detrimental play of the week. According to data from Brian Burke of Advanced Football Analytics the fumble lowered the Bears' Win Probability 34 percentage points.
Burke's Win Probability measures a variety of things, like time remaining, score, down, and distance. Forte's fumble was particularly costly given the score and time remaining in the game. The play lowered the Bears' Win Probability from 59 percent to 25 percent and led to Cam Newton's game-winning touchdown pass six plays later.
The Bears' previous possession also resulted in one of the most costly plays of the week as Jay Cutler's interception lowered their Win Probability 26 percentage points. The interception lowered the Bears' Win Probability from 80 percent to 54 percent and led to a Carolina field goal, which tied the game.
Next day Bears anger aside, it's actually pretty interesting.
I'm glad to hear your Steelers Fan's Inexplicable Bears Anger (SFIBA) has subsided. Keep us posted.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 06, 2014, 04:10:39 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2014, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 05, 2014, 03:13:58 PM
Forte's fumble was bad....but if the human dumpster fire doesn't let loose that god-awful lazy fucking overthrow on the series before, that sequence of events never gets set in motion.
3 points and a horribly ineffective QB in the 2nd half. A QB who has only done things when the defense has gift-wrapped him balls in the red zone (or close to).
This team sucks. This QB sucks.
Matt Forte's Fumble Was The Most Damaging Play Of Week 5 (http://regressing.deadspin.com/matt-fortes-fumble-was-the-most-damaging-play-of-week-5-1642887004?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)
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With under fives minutes to play in a tie game, Chicago possessed the ball with an opportunity to control the clock and take the lead. But Matt Forte fumbled in what was the most detrimental play of the week. According to data from Brian Burke of Advanced Football Analytics the fumble lowered the Bears' Win Probability 34 percentage points.
Burke's Win Probability measures a variety of things, like time remaining, score, down, and distance. Forte's fumble was particularly costly given the score and time remaining in the game. The play lowered the Bears' Win Probability from 59 percent to 25 percent and led to Cam Newton's game-winning touchdown pass six plays later.
The Bears' previous possession also resulted in one of the most costly plays of the week as Jay Cutler's interception lowered their Win Probability 26 percentage points. The interception lowered the Bears' Win Probability from 80 percent to 54 percent and led to a Carolina field goal, which tied the game.
Next day Bears anger aside, it's actually pretty interesting.
I'm glad to hear your Steelers Fan's Inexplicable Bears Anger (SFIBA) has subsided. Keep us posted.
I was talking about you guys.
Pretty surprised that wasn't understood.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2014, 04:14:29 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 06, 2014, 04:10:39 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2014, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 05, 2014, 03:13:58 PM
Forte's fumble was bad....but if the human dumpster fire doesn't let loose that god-awful lazy fucking overthrow on the series before, that sequence of events never gets set in motion.
3 points and a horribly ineffective QB in the 2nd half. A QB who has only done things when the defense has gift-wrapped him balls in the red zone (or close to).
This team sucks. This QB sucks.
Matt Forte's Fumble Was The Most Damaging Play Of Week 5 (http://regressing.deadspin.com/matt-fortes-fumble-was-the-most-damaging-play-of-week-5-1642887004?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)
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With under fives minutes to play in a tie game, Chicago possessed the ball with an opportunity to control the clock and take the lead. But Matt Forte fumbled in what was the most detrimental play of the week. According to data from Brian Burke of Advanced Football Analytics the fumble lowered the Bears' Win Probability 34 percentage points.
Burke's Win Probability measures a variety of things, like time remaining, score, down, and distance. Forte's fumble was particularly costly given the score and time remaining in the game. The play lowered the Bears' Win Probability from 59 percent to 25 percent and led to Cam Newton's game-winning touchdown pass six plays later.
The Bears' previous possession also resulted in one of the most costly plays of the week as Jay Cutler's interception lowered their Win Probability 26 percentage points. The interception lowered the Bears' Win Probability from 80 percent to 54 percent and led to a Carolina field goal, which tied the game.
Next day Bears anger aside, it's actually pretty interesting.
I'm glad to hear your Steelers Fan's Inexplicable Bears Anger (SFIBA) has subsided. Keep us posted.
I was talking about you guys.
Pretty surprised that wasn't understood.
I got what you were saying. I hate you no less for it.
Quote from: SKO on October 06, 2014, 04:38:45 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2014, 04:14:29 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 06, 2014, 04:10:39 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2014, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 05, 2014, 03:13:58 PM
Forte's fumble was bad....but if the human dumpster fire doesn't let loose that god-awful lazy fucking overthrow on the series before, that sequence of events never gets set in motion.
3 points and a horribly ineffective QB in the 2nd half. A QB who has only done things when the defense has gift-wrapped him balls in the red zone (or close to).
This team sucks. This QB sucks.
Matt Forte's Fumble Was The Most Damaging Play Of Week 5 (http://regressing.deadspin.com/matt-fortes-fumble-was-the-most-damaging-play-of-week-5-1642887004?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)
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With under fives minutes to play in a tie game, Chicago possessed the ball with an opportunity to control the clock and take the lead. But Matt Forte fumbled in what was the most detrimental play of the week. According to data from Brian Burke of Advanced Football Analytics the fumble lowered the Bears' Win Probability 34 percentage points.
Burke's Win Probability measures a variety of things, like time remaining, score, down, and distance. Forte's fumble was particularly costly given the score and time remaining in the game. The play lowered the Bears' Win Probability from 59 percent to 25 percent and led to Cam Newton's game-winning touchdown pass six plays later.
The Bears' previous possession also resulted in one of the most costly plays of the week as Jay Cutler's interception lowered their Win Probability 26 percentage points. The interception lowered the Bears' Win Probability from 80 percent to 54 percent and led to a Carolina field goal, which tied the game.
Next day Bears anger aside, it's actually pretty interesting.
I'm glad to hear your Steelers Fan's Inexplicable Bears Anger (SFIBA) has subsided. Keep us posted.
I was talking about you guys.
Pretty surprised that wasn't understood.
I got what you were saying. I hate you no less for it.
So you were also speaking on behalf of Bears fans when you said it's pretty interesting, or did you mean
you found it interesting? Because I'm with SKO, I'm shocked that fumbling in that situation was bad news for the Bears.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 06, 2014, 05:20:26 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 06, 2014, 04:38:45 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2014, 04:14:29 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 06, 2014, 04:10:39 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2014, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 05, 2014, 03:13:58 PM
Forte's fumble was bad....but if the human dumpster fire doesn't let loose that god-awful lazy fucking overthrow on the series before, that sequence of events never gets set in motion.
3 points and a horribly ineffective QB in the 2nd half. A QB who has only done things when the defense has gift-wrapped him balls in the red zone (or close to).
This team sucks. This QB sucks.
Matt Forte's Fumble Was The Most Damaging Play Of Week 5 (http://regressing.deadspin.com/matt-fortes-fumble-was-the-most-damaging-play-of-week-5-1642887004?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)
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With under fives minutes to play in a tie game, Chicago possessed the ball with an opportunity to control the clock and take the lead. But Matt Forte fumbled in what was the most detrimental play of the week. According to data from Brian Burke of Advanced Football Analytics the fumble lowered the Bears' Win Probability 34 percentage points.
Burke's Win Probability measures a variety of things, like time remaining, score, down, and distance. Forte's fumble was particularly costly given the score and time remaining in the game. The play lowered the Bears' Win Probability from 59 percent to 25 percent and led to Cam Newton's game-winning touchdown pass six plays later.
The Bears' previous possession also resulted in one of the most costly plays of the week as Jay Cutler's interception lowered their Win Probability 26 percentage points. The interception lowered the Bears' Win Probability from 80 percent to 54 percent and led to a Carolina field goal, which tied the game.
Next day Bears anger aside, it's actually pretty interesting.
I'm glad to hear your Steelers Fan's Inexplicable Bears Anger (SFIBA) has subsided. Keep us posted.
I was talking about you guys.
Pretty surprised that wasn't understood.
I got what you were saying. I hate you no less for it.
So you were also speaking on behalf of Bears fans when you said it's pretty interesting, or did you mean you found it interesting? Because I'm with SKO, I'm shocked that fumbling in that situation was bad news for the Bears.
Yeah, but what if the Bears had recovered the fumble? It's probably not so bad, then. Just something to think about, guys.
Now that I'm done being angry about the Bears' loss on Sunday, here's a piece on Grantland (http://grantland.com/the-triangle/which-2-3-nfl-team-has-the-best-shot-at-the-playoffs/) analyzing the 2-3 teams and their chances of making the playoffs.
Spoiler Alert: Bears out, Saints, out, Vikings Out, Falcons in.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 08, 2014, 01:43:49 PM
Now that I'm done being angry about the Bears' loss on Sunday, here's a piece on Grantland (http://grantland.com/the-triangle/which-2-3-nfl-team-has-the-best-shot-at-the-playoffs/) analyzing the 2-3 teams and their chances of making the playoffs.
Spoiler Alert: Bears out, Saints, out, Vikings Out, Falcons in.
I think my argument for the Falcons would have boiled down to "the NFC South blows." But I don't disagree with anything he said.
Quote from: SKO on October 08, 2014, 04:23:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 08, 2014, 01:43:49 PM
Now that I'm done being angry about the Bears' loss on Sunday, here's a piece on Grantland (http://grantland.com/the-triangle/which-2-3-nfl-team-has-the-best-shot-at-the-playoffs/) analyzing the 2-3 teams and their chances of making the playoffs.
Spoiler Alert: Bears out, Saints, out, Vikings Out, Falcons in.
I think my argument for the Falcons would have boiled down to "the NFC South blows." But I don't disagree with anything he said.
I know someone from that division has to make it, but it's really hard to see a team with both a terrible defense
and offensive line get to the playoffs, offensive weapons or not. Plus, they're terrible in outdoor games also lately. They've got a solid QB and one of the top 3-4 WRs in the NFL, but outside that, I'm not sold at all on the Falcons. Their only wins are at home versus the Saints (who suck on the road) and at home for a Thursday Night trainwreck against the Bucs. Pretty sure that's a bad team too.
Of all those NFC teams, it's still hard to see the Saints outside looking in, and I'd put the Bears second.
Human Dumpster Fire:
156/229 (68.1%), 1676 YDs, 13 TDs, 6 INTs, 7.3 YPA, 279 YPG, 7.3 YPA, 97.4 passer rating.
I've seen worse dumpster fires?
Quote from: SKO on October 12, 2014, 08:03:23 PM
Human Dumpster Fire:
156/229 (68.1%), 1676 YDs, 13 TDs, 6 INTs, 7.3 YPA, 279 YPG, 7.3 YPA, 97.4 passer rating.
I've seen worse dumpster fires?
Yeah but he doesn't look like he's sorry for being a dumpster fire or that he cares. Give me a dumpster fire with the fire and the passion anyday over this bum.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 12, 2014, 08:13:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 12, 2014, 08:03:23 PM
Human Dumpster Fire:
156/229 (68.1%), 1676 YDs, 13 TDs, 6 INTs, 7.3 YPA, 279 YPG, 7.3 YPA, 97.4 passer rating.
I've seen worse dumpster fires?
Yeah but he doesn't look like he's sorry for being a dumpster fire or that he cares. Give me a dumpster fire with the fire and the passion anyday over this bum.
And at this rate the Bears can take Jameis Winston with a mid round pick in the 2018 supplemental draft after he gets out of prison. Win win!
Quote from: SKO on October 12, 2014, 08:28:23 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 12, 2014, 08:13:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 12, 2014, 08:03:23 PM
Human Dumpster Fire:
156/229 (68.1%), 1676 YDs, 13 TDs, 6 INTs, 7.3 YPA, 279 YPG, 7.3 YPA, 97.4 passer rating.
I've seen worse dumpster fires?
Yeah but he doesn't look like he's sorry for being a dumpster fire or that he cares. Give me a dumpster fire with the fire and the passion anyday over this bum.
And at this rate the Bears can take Jameis Winston with a mid round pick in the 2018 supplemental draft after he gets out of prison. Win win!
He suited up to PLAY even when he was suspended! THAT'S A BORN WINNER RIGHT THERE. He'd never beg out of a game at halftime like Jake Utler! #SHAMEUSFORJAMEIS
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 12, 2014, 08:13:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 12, 2014, 08:03:23 PM
Human Dumpster Fire:
156/229 (68.1%), 1676 YDs, 13 TDs, 6 INTs, 7.3 YPA, 279 YPG, 7.3 YPA, 97.4 passer rating.
I've seen worse dumpster fires?
Yeah but he doesn't look like he's sorry for being a dumpster fire or that he cares. Give me a dumpster fire with the fire and the passion anyday over this bum.
So he's a smoldering dumpster?
More than Cutler, I enjoyed the defense. When I heard Briggs was out I had flashbacks to last year after they also lost Briggs and Tillman. Couldn't stop anyone for anything. But yesterday they made Matt Ryan their chew toy. Great d-line play.
Considering the constant injuries to linebackers and secondary maybe it's time to give Mel Tucker a little credit? If he had half the talent the Bears had 5 years ago on defense he'd be getting similar results, I bet.
Quote from: Slaky on October 13, 2014, 08:01:30 AM
More than Cutler, I enjoyed the defense. When I heard Briggs was out I had flashbacks to last year after they also lost Briggs and Tillman. Couldn't stop anyone for anything. But yesterday they made Matt Ryan their chew toy. Great d-line play.
Considering the constant injuries to linebackers and secondary maybe it's time to give Mel Tucker a little credit? If he had half the talent the Bears had 5 years ago on defense he'd be getting similar results, I bet.
I'm not exactly bullish on the defense considering all the inexplicable drops the Falcons had. But they contained the run and did cause Ryan to throw it in some spots that made the Atlanta receivers get alligator arms. That's probably sustainable against teams with horrible offensive lines and immobile quarterbacks. And it's an improvement, which is all we can ask for right now. Arrow pointing up. I'll take it.
Quote from: InternetApex on October 13, 2014, 08:40:46 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 13, 2014, 08:01:30 AM
More than Cutler, I enjoyed the defense. When I heard Briggs was out I had flashbacks to last year after they also lost Briggs and Tillman. Couldn't stop anyone for anything. But yesterday they made Matt Ryan their chew toy. Great d-line play.
Considering the constant injuries to linebackers and secondary maybe it's time to give Mel Tucker a little credit? If he had half the talent the Bears had 5 years ago on defense he'd be getting similar results, I bet.
I'm not exactly bullish on the defense considering all the inexplicable drops the Falcons had. But they contained the run and did cause Ryan to throw it in some spots that made the Atlanta receivers get alligator arms. That's probably sustainable against teams with horrible offensive lines and immobile quarterbacks. And it's an improvement, which is all we can ask for right now. Arrow pointing up. I'll take it.
True - that Toyota guy probably had the worst game I've ever seen from a pass catcher.
Is Willie Young on pace to break a single season sack record?
I'm still butthurt that Mel Tucker went to that bullshit prevent defense against Carolina at the end of the first half after Robbie Gould shanked a gimme FG, and after Mel's defense did a mighty fine job of shutting down Carolina the first 28 minutes of the first half so I'm going to hold off on schlobbing on the guy's knob for now.
Quote from: PANK! on October 13, 2014, 09:07:04 AM
I'm still butthurt that Mel Tucker went to that bullshit prevent defense against Carolina at the end of the first half after Robbie Gould shanked a gimme FG, and after Mel's defense did a mighty fine job of shutting down Carolina the first 28 minutes of the first half so I'm going to hold off on schlobbing on the guy's knob for now.
Cal drove down to Washington's 1/2 yard line. With first and less than a yard Cal's quarterback fumbled and Washington's cornerback ran it back for a hundred yard touchdown. And you think that you have problems?
Quote from: PANK! on October 13, 2014, 09:07:04 AM
I'm still butthurt that Mel Tucker went to that bullshit prevent defense against Carolina at the end of the first half after Robbie Gould shanked a gimme FG, and after Mel's defense did a mighty fine job of shutting down Carolina the first 28 minutes of the first half so I'm going to hold off on schlobbing on the guy's knob for now.
Mel is fine, really. His big problem is that the defense has been completely ineffective running zones all year. They play adequate man coverage, they have a very good run defense outside of three blown keys vs. the zone read against Buffalo, but they can't do shit in zone. The reason why is that Briggs and DJ Williams are old and can't run anymore and can't cover much ground. They don't cover very well and they're also slow in pursuit, so those checkdowns to the flat that Lance used to run down for a 2 yard gain are now an 8-15 yard gain, and it sucks. They were noticeably better defending those yesterday simply because they had guys that could run in there.
I don't expect them to bench Briggs when he gets back because he's still very good against the run and he could stay in the base D, but it wouldn't hurt me none to see them try Bostic and Jones/Greene/Sharpton at the other LB spot in the nickel. At this point Briggs is 2012 Urlacher, but there's no 2012 Briggs next to him to hide him.
Oh and DJ Williams is worthless, and he was already losing snaps at MLB to Bostic in the base (Bostic was already the starter in the nickel) before Shamus got hurt, so at this point with Jones and Greene looking respectable and Bostic hopefully on the mend I don't see any reason to ever play DJ again, barring another apocalyptic wave of injuries.
They also got decent play at the nickel for the first time since Tillman went down now that Hurst and Vereen replaced Frey. So hopefully that continues and the middle of the field isn't free space anymore.
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2014, 02:23:46 PM
Oh and DJ Williams is worthless, and he was already losing snaps at MLB to Bostic in the base (Bostic was already the starter in the nickel) before Shamus got hurt, so at this point with Jones and Greene looking respectable and Bostic hopefully on the mend I don't see any reason to ever play DJ again, barring another apocalyptic wave of injuries.
They also got decent play at the nickel for the first time since Tillman went down now that Hurst and Vereen replaced Frey. So hopefully that continues and the middle of the field isn't free space anymore.
Here's my question for you on the defense. Is there a possibility that Jones could develop into an impact player? If not, maybe a solid starter? Or is he pretty much an UDFA and nothing more? I'll hang up and listen to your answer.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 13, 2014, 03:22:31 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2014, 02:23:46 PM
Oh and DJ Williams is worthless, and he was already losing snaps at MLB to Bostic in the base (Bostic was already the starter in the nickel) before Shamus got hurt, so at this point with Jones and Greene looking respectable and Bostic hopefully on the mend I don't see any reason to ever play DJ again, barring another apocalyptic wave of injuries.
They also got decent play at the nickel for the first time since Tillman went down now that Hurst and Vereen replaced Frey. So hopefully that continues and the middle of the field isn't free space anymore.
Here's my question for you on the defense. Is there a possibility that Jones could develop into an impact player? If not, maybe a solid starter? Or is he pretty much an UDFA and nothing more? I'll hang up and listen to your answer.
I have no idea if he can be an impact player, I do think he has starter potential. He was a projected 2nd-3rd round pick but he fell because of a failed weed test, the perception that he was a raw project, and because he plays a position that isn't really that highly valued in the draft anymore.
He reminds me a lot of Vontaze Burfict, whom a certain beltless, hairy blogger desperately wanted the Bears to grab as a UDFA in 2012. The Bengals nabbed him, and now he's a Pro Bowl-caliber WLB. I don't know if Christian can be that but he's got all of the athleticism you'd want from that spot and he hasn't looked lost in extended game action the last two weeks. There's at least something to work with there.
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2014, 03:44:55 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 13, 2014, 03:22:31 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2014, 02:23:46 PM
Oh and DJ Williams is worthless, and he was already losing snaps at MLB to Bostic in the base (Bostic was already the starter in the nickel) before Shamus got hurt, so at this point with Jones and Greene looking respectable and Bostic hopefully on the mend I don't see any reason to ever play DJ again, barring another apocalyptic wave of injuries.
They also got decent play at the nickel for the first time since Tillman went down now that Hurst and Vereen replaced Frey. So hopefully that continues and the middle of the field isn't free space anymore.
Here's my question for you on the defense. Is there a possibility that Jones could develop into an impact player? If not, maybe a solid starter? Or is he pretty much an UDFA and nothing more? I'll hang up and listen to your answer.
I have no idea if he can be an impact player, I do think he has starter potential. He was a projected 2nd-3rd round pick but he fell because of a failed weed test, the perception that he was a raw project, and because he plays a position that isn't really that highly valued in the draft anymore.
He reminds me a lot of Vontaze Burfict, whom a certain beltless, hairy blogger desperately wanted the Bears to grab as a UDFA in 2012. The Bengals nabbed him, and now he's a Pro Bowl-caliber WLB. I don't know if Christian can be that but he's got all of the athleticism you'd want from that spot and he hasn't looked lost in extended game action the last two weeks. There's at least something to work with there.
maybe
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on October 13, 2014, 03:53:25 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2014, 03:44:55 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 13, 2014, 03:22:31 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2014, 02:23:46 PM
Oh and DJ Williams is worthless, and he was already losing snaps at MLB to Bostic in the base (Bostic was already the starter in the nickel) before Shamus got hurt, so at this point with Jones and Greene looking respectable and Bostic hopefully on the mend I don't see any reason to ever play DJ again, barring another apocalyptic wave of injuries.
They also got decent play at the nickel for the first time since Tillman went down now that Hurst and Vereen replaced Frey. So hopefully that continues and the middle of the field isn't free space anymore.
Here's my question for you on the defense. Is there a possibility that Jones could develop into an impact player? If not, maybe a solid starter? Or is he pretty much an UDFA and nothing more? I'll hang up and listen to your answer.
I have no idea if he can be an impact player, I do think he has starter potential. He was a projected 2nd-3rd round pick but he fell because of a failed weed test, the perception that he was a raw project, and because he plays a position that isn't really that highly valued in the draft anymore.
He reminds me a lot of Vontaze Burfict, whom a certain beltless, hairy blogger desperately wanted the Bears to grab as a UDFA in 2012. The Bengals nabbed him, and now he's a Pro Bowl-caliber WLB. I don't know if Christian can be that but he's got all of the athleticism you'd want from that spot and he hasn't looked lost in extended game action the last two weeks. There's at least something to work with there.
maybe
"why does no one ever ask me questions"
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More than Cutler, I enjoyed the defense. When I heard Briggs was out I had flashbacks to last year after they also lost Briggs and Tillman. Couldn't stop anyone for anything. But yesterday they made Matt Ryan their chew toy. Great d-line play.
Considering the constant injuries to linebackers and secondary maybe it's time to give Mel Tucker a little credit? If he had half the talent the Bears had 5 years ago on defense he'd be getting similar results, I bet.
I'm not exactly bullish on the defense considering all the inexplicable drops the Falcons had. But they contained the run and did cause Ryan to throw it in some spots that made the Atlanta receivers get alligator arms. That's probably sustainable against teams with horrible offensive lines and immobile quarterbacks. And it's an improvement, which is all we can ask for right now. Arrow pointing up. I'll take it.
True - that Toyota guy probably had the worst game I've ever seen from a pass catcher.
Is Willie Young on pace to break a single season sack record?
I believe he would set the team record at his current pace (19), but the NFL record is 22.5 by Strahan. Two guys are tied for second with 22.0, one of them is Jared Allen.
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More than Cutler, I enjoyed the defense. When I heard Briggs was out I had flashbacks to last year after they also lost Briggs and Tillman. Couldn't stop anyone for anything. But yesterday they made Matt Ryan their chew toy. Great d-line play.
Considering the constant injuries to linebackers and secondary maybe it's time to give Mel Tucker a little credit? If he had half the talent the Bears had 5 years ago on defense he'd be getting similar results, I bet.
I'm not exactly bullish on the defense considering all the inexplicable drops the Falcons had. But they contained the run and did cause Ryan to throw it in some spots that made the Atlanta receivers get alligator arms. That's probably sustainable against teams with horrible offensive lines and immobile quarterbacks. And it's an improvement, which is all we can ask for right now. Arrow pointing up. I'll take it.
True - that Toyota guy probably had the worst game I've ever seen from a pass catcher.
Is Willie Young on pace to break a single season sack record?
I believe he would set the team record at his current pace (19), but the NFL record is 22.5 by Strahan. Two guys are tied for second with 22.0, one of them is Jared Allen.
Ah fuck, yeah I meant Bears season record. Cool.
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More than Cutler, I enjoyed the defense. When I heard Briggs was out I had flashbacks to last year after they also lost Briggs and Tillman. Couldn't stop anyone for anything. But yesterday they made Matt Ryan their chew toy. Great d-line play.
Considering the constant injuries to linebackers and secondary maybe it's time to give Mel Tucker a little credit? If he had half the talent the Bears had 5 years ago on defense he'd be getting similar results, I bet.
I'm not exactly bullish on the defense considering all the inexplicable drops the Falcons had. But they contained the run and did cause Ryan to throw it in some spots that made the Atlanta receivers get alligator arms. That's probably sustainable against teams with horrible offensive lines and immobile quarterbacks. And it's an improvement, which is all we can ask for right now. Arrow pointing up. I'll take it.
True - that Toyota guy probably had the worst game I've ever seen from a pass catcher.
Is Willie Young on pace to break a single season sack record?
I believe he would set the team record at his current pace (19), but the NFL record is 22.5 by Strahan. Two guys are tied for second with 22.0, one of them is Jared Allen.
Ah fuck, yeah I meant Bears season record. Cool.
Dent had 17.5 in 1984.
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More than Cutler, I enjoyed the defense. When I heard Briggs was out I had flashbacks to last year after they also lost Briggs and Tillman. Couldn't stop anyone for anything. But yesterday they made Matt Ryan their chew toy. Great d-line play.
Considering the constant injuries to linebackers and secondary maybe it's time to give Mel Tucker a little credit? If he had half the talent the Bears had 5 years ago on defense he'd be getting similar results, I bet.
I'm not exactly bullish on the defense considering all the inexplicable drops the Falcons had. But they contained the run and did cause Ryan to throw it in some spots that made the Atlanta receivers get alligator arms. That's probably sustainable against teams with horrible offensive lines and immobile quarterbacks. And it's an improvement, which is all we can ask for right now. Arrow pointing up. I'll take it.
True - that Toyota guy probably had the worst game I've ever seen from a pass catcher.
Is Willie Young on pace to break a single season sack record?
I believe he would set the team record at his current pace (19), but the NFL record is 22.5 by Strahan. Two guys are tied for second with 22.0, one of them is Jared Allen.
Ah fuck, yeah I meant Bears season record. Cool.
Dent had 17.5 in 1984.
Favruh dove so Strahan could get the record.
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Quote from: Slaky on October 13, 2014, 08:01:30 AM
More than Cutler, I enjoyed the defense. When I heard Briggs was out I had flashbacks to last year after they also lost Briggs and Tillman. Couldn't stop anyone for anything. But yesterday they made Matt Ryan their chew toy. Great d-line play.
Considering the constant injuries to linebackers and secondary maybe it's time to give Mel Tucker a little credit? If he had half the talent the Bears had 5 years ago on defense he'd be getting similar results, I bet.
I'm not exactly bullish on the defense considering all the inexplicable drops the Falcons had. But they contained the run and did cause Ryan to throw it in some spots that made the Atlanta receivers get alligator arms. That's probably sustainable against teams with horrible offensive lines and immobile quarterbacks. And it's an improvement, which is all we can ask for right now. Arrow pointing up. I'll take it.
True - that Toyota guy probably had the worst game I've ever seen from a pass catcher.
Is Willie Young on pace to break a single season sack record?
I believe he would set the team record at his current pace (19), but the NFL record is 22.5 by Strahan. Two guys are tied for second with 22.0, one of them is Jared Allen.
Ah fuck, yeah I meant Bears season record. Cool.
Dent had 17.5 in 1984.
Favruh dove so Strahan could get the record.
Yeah well J'Marcus Webb dove repeatedly so Allen could make a run at it in the 2011 finale. At least I hope that's his excuse.
If only the Bears had a clutch QB like that Kyle Orton...
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 19, 2014, 03:10:05 PM
If only the Bears had a clutch QB like that Kyle Orton...
He'd have thrown a bunch of fucking shitty ass wide receiver screens today, too?
If you want to be mad at Jay, cool, that's really fine. He hardly covered himself in glory. But this offense's problems don't start or end with Jay. If it were just Jay I'd be fine, because Bad Jay either shows up or he doesn't. No, this is a poorly run, poorly prepared, poorly disciplined offense at every position, and it's time to blame the common thread between them. The "Genius" who clearly isn't. He's scared to run the ball. He's scared to throw it downfield until it's 3rd Down And Fucked. No good offense run by such a brilliant mind is de-railed by a fucking second quarter interception that didn't even lead to points for the other team. The woeful inability to move the ball, period, is the problem, and that ain't just the fucking quarterback. It's the play-caller.
Quote from: SKO on October 19, 2014, 06:32:05 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 19, 2014, 03:10:05 PM
If only the Bears had a clutch QB like that Kyle Orton...
He'd have thrown a bunch of fucking shitty ass wide receiver screens today, too?
Pretty sure CFIHP was making a joke.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 19, 2014, 03:10:05 PM
If only the Bears had a clutch QB like that Kyle Orton...
He'd have thrown a bunch of fucking shitty ass wide receiver screens today, too?
Pretty sure CFIHP was making a joke.
Pretty sure I was too.
But I agree that they need to run more (especially out of the shotgun) and that the passing game needs to get a lot more vertical. With that said, Cutler's numbers throwing beyond 15 yards this season have been so awful, that I sort of understand why they've moved away from that (hint: Bad Jay is grossly disproportionately littered downfield). That pick in the second quarter though was really awful, both in terms of it being inexcusable and because it killed their one good drive in the first half.
The best thing that could happen to this team would be to stay stuck on three wins and have Jacksonville and Oakland pass them.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 19, 2014, 08:00:22 PM
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 19, 2014, 03:10:05 PM
If only the Bears had a clutch QB like that Kyle Orton...
He'd have thrown a bunch of fucking shitty ass wide receiver screens today, too?
Pretty sure CFIHP was making a joke.
Pretty sure I was too.
But I agree that they need to run more (especially out of the shotgun) and that the passing game needs to get a lot more vertical. With that said, Cutler's numbers throwing beyond 15 yards this season have been so awful, that I sort of understand why they've moved away from that (hint: Bad Jay is grossly disproportionately littered downfield). That pick in the second quarter though was really awful, both in terms of it being inexcusable and because it killed their one good drive in the first half.
The best thing that could happen to this team would be to stay stuck on three wins and have Jacksonville and Oakland pass them.
Jay is 12th in the NFL in accuracy among QBs with at least 20 attempts 15 or more yards downfield. He's thrown 1 interception in those situations. His deep ball efficiency is not the problem. The problem is an unwillingness to challenge vertically on early downs, early in the game, and also a lack of efficiency on the shorter passes they do run. I was willing to ignore the lack of production downfield when Marshall and Jeffery were running around hobbled, but they've both been more or less 100% since the Green Bay game and Trestman's mostly been unwilling to try it.
The lack of efficiency on short passes is most irritating. They lack any kind of originality. He runs a lot of bunch formations and then throws a screen to the guy at the back of the formation. It usually fails. Outside of the 25 yard Alshon TD vs. Carolina it's produced a long gain this year of 9 yards. It's not working. Otherwise he uses his receivers to carry defenders up the field to clear out room for Forte, but the defense isn't buying it and they're not challenging defenses downfield (and I suppose you can blame Jay for that, but something tells me Jay Cutler suddenly being unwilling to chuck it deep is a coaching thing since I doubt he's suddenly gone gunshy), so Forte gets stopped after 3-5 yards. They've run slants as a lower % of their passing plays than any team in the league, and it makes no damn sense to me with the big bodies they have at the wide receiver position. Green Bay gets almost 1/3rd of it's passing yardage from slants. With the QB/WR combos they have that's easy money, and it's an easy chunk play to set up favorable 2nd and 3rd down plays.
Again, all of this adds up to a baffling disparity between the Trestman we saw last year and the one we have this year, who seems to be playing scared. He's lost his aggressiveness and I've yet to see anything outside of one really nifty red zone play call vs. Green Bay that struck me as being innovative or original. It's a disheartening fucking situation, is what it is.
On a humorous note no one should be surprised to find out that the BC who knew Charles Tillman was reslly awful when everyone else thought he was good hasn't been That impressed with Kyle Fuller.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 19, 2014, 03:10:05 PM
If only the Bears had a clutch QB like that Kyle Orton...
He'd have thrown a bunch of fucking shitty ass wide receiver screens today, too?
If you want to be mad at Jay, cool, that's really fine. He hardly covered himself in glory. But this offense's problems don't start or end with Jay. If it were just Jay I'd be fine, because Bad Jay either shows up or he doesn't. No, this is a poorly run, poorly prepared, poorly disciplined offense at every position, and it's time to blame the common thread between them. The "Genius" who clearly isn't. He's scared to run the ball. He's scared to throw it downfield until it's 3rd Down And Fucked. No good offense run by such a brilliant mind is de-railed by a fucking second quarter interception that didn't even lead to points for the other team. The woeful inability to move the ball, period, is the problem, and that ain't just the fucking quarterback. It's the play-caller.
So you're saying they never set up play action?
I'm still butthurt that they threw the ball 40 yards in the air when it was 3rd and 1 on their first possession after getting Miami off the field on a 3-and-out. What the fuck was that shit?
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I'm still butthurt that they threw the ball 40 yards in the air when it was 3rd and 1 on their first possession after getting Miami off the field on a 3-and-out. What the fuck was that shit?
Gunslingin'.
I think Trestman is an offensive coordinator like most. Sometimes his system works and sometimes it doesn't. Whether it's scheme, or execution, or talent, injuries, luck - whatever the hell. Some days he gets beaten. And when he does, this team has absolutely NOTHING to fall back on. Not defense, not special teams, which didn't defecate on itself yesterday for the first time all year, there is nothing. The bottom of the roster is in constant flux. The old men on the defense are past their expiration dates.
Emstink has about one more year to get this right or he'll have to sacrifice Trestman just to save himself. I think he's a smart enough guy and some of his defensive draft picks might eventually pan out. He's made some great moves and fallen ass backwards into a Ratliff or two. But I fucking hate this team. All of it. Except for Cutler, who I continue to like out of spite for our horseshit fanbase.
Also, I know the Dolphins are good up front, but I expected to see cleaner pockets for Cutler considering he had all five of his OL back for the first time. That wasn't the case. You can't go vertical like they may have wanted to if you can't block it. SKO said Trestman gave up the line of scrimmage early by not at least trying to run, and that's very true. So fuck Aaron Kromer too, I guess. No reason to let him off the hook when I'm busy launching the entire franchise and its history into the sun.
Rod Marinelli was mad and yelly on the the sidelines for a 6-1 Dallas team yesterday. I'm going to embrace my meme and start rooting for them unless they're playing the Bears this year. Mostly out of hatred for every other NFC team, but also out of desire to see Romo shut every pie hole that Cutler can't manage to fill. It's the same pie holes. So fuck it.
Has a team ever won a Super Bowl after going winless at home? No reason.
Assuming we're not going to see a miraculous turnaround, and setting playoff flameouts aside, is this the most disappointing Chicago team in the last 20 years or so(preseason expectations vs. regular season output)? 2004 Cubs - who else?
Quote from: R-V on October 20, 2014, 01:59:19 PM
Assuming we're not going to see a miraculous turnaround, and setting playoff flameouts aside, is this the most disappointing Chicago team in the last 20 years or so(preseason expectations vs. regular season output)? 2004 Cubs - who else?
Great, now CT is gonna talk about the 2004 Cubs again forever.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 20, 2014, 02:17:00 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 20, 2014, 01:59:19 PM
Assuming we're not going to see a miraculous turnaround, and setting playoff flameouts aside, is this the most disappointing Chicago team in the last 20 years or so(preseason expectations vs. regular season output)? 2004 Cubs - who else?
Great, now CT is gonna talk about the 2004 Cubs again forever.
Best Cubs team of my lifetime.
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Quote from: PenFoe on October 20, 2014, 02:17:00 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 20, 2014, 01:59:19 PM
Assuming we're not going to see a miraculous turnaround, and setting playoff flameouts aside, is this the most disappointing Chicago team in the last 20 years or so(preseason expectations vs. regular season output)? 2004 Cubs - who else?
Great, now CT is gonna talk about the 2004 Cubs again forever.
Best Cubs team of my lifetime.
The 2013-14 Ice Hogs top my list.
Quote from: R-V on October 20, 2014, 01:59:19 PM
Assuming we're not going to see a miraculous turnaround, and setting playoff flameouts aside, is this the most disappointing Chicago team in the last 20 years or so(preseason expectations vs. regular season output)? 2004 Cubs - who else?
Big Z was the truth that season. Career-high 6.7 bWAR. (fWAR was 4.4: same as 2003 and both career bests.)
Quote from: R-V on October 20, 2014, 01:59:19 PM
Assuming we're not going to see a miraculous turnaround, and setting playoff flameouts aside, is this the most disappointing Chicago team in the last 20 years or so(preseason expectations vs. regular season output)? 2004 Cubs - who else?
I'd liken them more to the 1991 Cubs--2 years removed from a division title, and they went out and signed Danny Jackson, Dave Smith and George Bell...and proceeded to shit the tub.
The 2004 Cubs were a whole different animal, IMO.
Quote from: R-V on October 20, 2014, 01:59:19 PM
Assuming we're not going to see a miraculous turnaround, and setting playoff flameouts aside, is this the most disappointing Chicago team in the last 20 years or so(preseason expectations vs. regular season output)? 2004 Cubs - who else?
2008 was worse than 2004, I think. At least in 2004 they just missed the playoffs. 2008 they had the best record in the NL and were bounced in 3 not-at-all-close games.
Quote from: ChuckD on October 20, 2014, 04:34:52 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 20, 2014, 01:59:19 PM
Assuming we're not going to see a miraculous turnaround, and setting playoff flameouts aside, is this the most disappointing Chicago team in the last 20 years or so(preseason expectations vs. regular season output)? 2004 Cubs - who else?
2008 was worse than 2004, I think. At least in 2004 they just missed the playoffs. 2008 they had the best record in the NL and were bounced in 3 not-at-all-close games.
Yeah but they still made the damn playoffs. If this Bears team goes 7-2 down the stretch and gets to 10-6 and then gets trounced in the wildcard round I'd call it a victory and a validation for the Emery plan and I'd get excited for Emery getting a second offseason and more cap room to build a defense that can be legitimately good and not just "acceptable if the offense plays up to par." I'd absolutely take the 2008 Cubs version of the Bears right now.
2004 seems appropriate in that both teams have/had a shit ton of offensive firepower, a lot of guys who seem to be having great individual statistical seasons (Cutler, Forte, Bennett, Alshon), yet it all adds up to a giant contemptible turd pile.
Apex said it best. This team isn't fun to watch. That just plain blows. Last year was fun because even with the defense imploding the offense was doing shit we'd never seen before and it was just fun to see them play a bunch of shootuts after years of coming up short in 17-13 slugfests. This year everything is like pulling teeth.
Go Cubs.
Quote from: SKO on October 20, 2014, 04:38:42 PM
Apex said it best. This team isn't fun to watch. That just plain blows. Last year was fun because even with the defense imploding the offense was doing shit we'd never seen before and it was just fun to see them play a bunch of shootuts after years of coming up short in 17-13 slugfests. This year everything is like pulling teeth.
Go Cubs.
That 2004 team was really unlikeable - is this team unlikeable for you guys?
Quote from: PenFoe on October 20, 2014, 04:40:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 20, 2014, 04:38:42 PM
Apex said it best. This team isn't fun to watch. That just plain blows. Last year was fun because even with the defense imploding the offense was doing shit we'd never seen before and it was just fun to see them play a bunch of shootuts after years of coming up short in 17-13 slugfests. This year everything is like pulling teeth.
Go Cubs.
That 2004 team was really unlikeable - is this team unlikeable for you guys?
Oh god yes. The tard-faced QB who repeatedly shits on those of us who defend him and has somehow managed to suck any vindication for us out of what, statistically, will be a career year but isn't adding up to shit. The Genius who is smarter than everyone but doesn't know what a slant route is. The crazy wide receiver screaming at everyone like he hasn't also been absent half of the season. Chris Conte. There's lots of hate to be had here.
Like, honestly, if you'd have told me that almost halfway through the season Jay was going to be sitting at 67%, with a 2-1 TD:INT ratio, a passer rating in the mid-90s, and on pace for 4000+ YDs and 30+ TDs, I'd have spent time delicately crafting the ways in which I was going to tell Pen to suck it every day and looking forward to the 7-0 or 6-1 Bears just rolling their way through the league.
But here we are, and despite his numbers he's been ass a good 40% of the time he's been on the field this year. This is what my work hath wrought. I hate everything.
Also: Jared Fucking Allen. A Chicago Bear. I have always hated that dude and never more so than this very moment of my life.
Good stuff, this hate.
I've hated many a Steeler over the past 30+ years, but I've only hated the whole team a couple times (like last year.)
Quote from: SKO on October 20, 2014, 04:55:10 PM
Like, honestly, if you'd have told me that almost halfway through the season Jay was going to be sitting at 67%, with a 2-1 TD:INT ratio, a passer rating in the mid-90s, and on pace for 4000+ YDs and 30+ TDs, I'd have spent time delicately crafting the ways in which I was going to tell Pen to suck it every day and looking forward to the 7-0 or 6-1 Bears just rolling their way through the league.
But here we are, and despite his numbers he's been ass a good 40% of the time he's been on the field this year. This is what my work hath wrought. I hate everything.
If it's any comfort, I doubt your work had any effect on any of this whatsoever.
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Quote from: SKO on October 20, 2014, 04:55:10 PM
Like, honestly, if you'd have told me that almost halfway through the season Jay was going to be sitting at 67%, with a 2-1 TD:INT ratio, a passer rating in the mid-90s, and on pace for 4000+ YDs and 30+ TDs, I'd have spent time delicately crafting the ways in which I was going to tell Pen to suck it every day and looking forward to the 7-0 or 6-1 Bears just rolling their way through the league.
But here we are, and despite his numbers he's been ass a good 40% of the time he's been on the field this year. This is what my work hath wrought. I hate everything.
If it's any comfort, I doubt your work had any effect on any of this whatsoever.
you don't say
3-13, or bust. The strategy from here on out needs to be "maximize the draft pick value."
If the Bears forfeited their remaining games because their entire defense were euthanized, I'd also be okay with that.
And as far as Jay's stats, the TD-INT ratio doesn't account for his league leading 4 fumbles (all of which were lost).
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 26, 2014, 01:30:19 PM
If the Bears forfeited their remaining games because their entire defense were euthanized, I'd also be okay with that.
I've managed to tune out pretty much everything you've said for awhile, but I read this part and agreed with it 100%.
No one's been fired yet, so when does the team get dissolved as a legal entity? Is that tomorrow? Rosenbloom told me to expect it.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 27, 2014, 03:28:08 PM
No one's been fired yet, so when does the team get dissolved as a legal entity? Is that tomorrow? Rosenbloom told me to expect it.
I'm not really sure what I expected. I don't actually think firing Mel Tucker mid-season accomplishes anything, although I'll be pretty mad if he comes back next year, I just kinda figured they'd have some list of lineup changes or something to throw at people to show things are changing and they said nothing. Which really is probably the most sensible thing. But I can't blame anyone for wanting sound and fury and blood just to feel better.
Quote from: SKO on October 27, 2014, 03:30:45 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 27, 2014, 03:28:08 PM
No one's been fired yet, so when does the team get dissolved as a legal entity? Is that tomorrow? Rosenbloom told me to expect it.
I'm not really sure what I expected. I don't actually think firing Mel Tucker mid-season accomplishes anything, although I'll be pretty mad if he comes back next year, I just kinda figured they'd have some list of lineup changes or something to throw at people to show things are changing and they said nothing. Which really is probably the most sensible thing. But I can't blame anyone for wanting sound and fury and blood just to feel better.
So is CFIHP correct that it's time to start tanking for the 2015 draft? Was Chuck ... *gasp* ...
right?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 27, 2014, 03:41:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 27, 2014, 03:30:45 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 27, 2014, 03:28:08 PM
No one's been fired yet, so when does the team get dissolved as a legal entity? Is that tomorrow? Rosenbloom told me to expect it.
I'm not really sure what I expected. I don't actually think firing Mel Tucker mid-season accomplishes anything, although I'll be pretty mad if he comes back next year, I just kinda figured they'd have some list of lineup changes or something to throw at people to show things are changing and they said nothing. Which really is probably the most sensible thing. But I can't blame anyone for wanting sound and fury and blood just to feel better.
So is CFIHP correct that it's time to start tanking for the 2015 draft? Was Chuck ... *gasp* ... right?
Well, maybe? Cutler's not going anywhere till after next year. Forte's up after next year. Trestman's up after next year. They can walk away from Marshall without much penalty after next year, I think. Same with Bennett and Houston and Allen.
So this group is still in it together for this year and next year, most likely. So the best case scenario would be the offense figures it's shit out, ends this year playing well, Emery can spend a bunch of money and draft picks on the defense again this offseason, they try to contend next year, and if they still suck, you can blow everything up without crippling your cap situation, which is what would happen if they did that now. Hard to start a rebuild with $50 million or whatever in dead money. Ask Oakland.
Isn't a full-scale tank, teardown and rebuild much more rare/difficult in the NFL?
Quote from: Eli on October 27, 2014, 03:49:21 PM
Isn't a full-scale tank, teardown and rebuild much more rare/difficult in the NFL?
Yes. You have a damn 53 man roster, you get seven draft picks, only 3 of which are ever going to be starters even if you're really fucking good at this, and the salary cap and you can't really trade veterans for "prospects". I guess tank is just kind of the catchall term for "get rid of the veterans you have and get completely new veterans, hopefully draft better".
I think honestly at this point rebuild for the Bears just means "try anything other than Cutler at quarterback, even if he's not really the problem."
To clarify I'm not saying Jay isn't part of the problem. He very obviously is. But the mystifying thing is I'm not really sure how much better they can get without him unless they somehow manage to perfect CFIHP's patented "just draft peyton manning or aaron Rodgers, dumbos" strategy. It's not like they're in a situation where they are moving the ball well and he singlehandedly fucks 'em with turnovers, or where they need an Orton/Alex Smith time to "just protect the football". This team is too fucked to win with a game manager, either. Their option is to build a better roster around Jay probably just in time for him to get hurt again or die, or find a once-in-a-generation type transcendent talent at QB.
In short, go Cubs.
Quote from: SKO on October 27, 2014, 03:46:41 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 27, 2014, 03:41:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 27, 2014, 03:30:45 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 27, 2014, 03:28:08 PM
No one's been fired yet, so when does the team get dissolved as a legal entity? Is that tomorrow? Rosenbloom told me to expect it.
I'm not really sure what I expected. I don't actually think firing Mel Tucker mid-season accomplishes anything, although I'll be pretty mad if he comes back next year, I just kinda figured they'd have some list of lineup changes or something to throw at people to show things are changing and they said nothing. Which really is probably the most sensible thing. But I can't blame anyone for wanting sound and fury and blood just to feel better.
So is CFIHP correct that it's time to start tanking for the 2015 draft? Was Chuck ... *gasp* ... right?
Well, maybe? Cutler's not going anywhere till after next year. Forte's up after next year. Trestman's up after next year. They can walk away from Marshall without much penalty after next year, I think. Same with Bennett and Houston and Allen.
So this group is still in it together for this year and next year, most likely. So the best case scenario would be the offense figures it's shit out, ends this year playing well, Emery can spend a bunch of money and draft picks on the defense again this offseason, they try to contend next year, and if they still suck, you can blow everything up without crippling your cap situation, which is what would happen if they did that now. Hard to start a rebuild with $50 million or whatever in dead money. Ask Oakland.
Re-looking at Cutler's cap situation (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jay-cutler/), he gets a $10mm 2016 salary guaranty if he's on the team in April 2015. That would raise his cap hit to at least $13million if he's cut post 2015 season. The more likely scenario is that he's cut post 2016 where his cap hit will be $2.0mm in 2017. That means that the Bears would likely draft a new QB in one of the next two drafts.
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 27, 2014, 03:28:08 PM
No one's been fired yet, so when does the team get dissolved as a legal entity? Is that tomorrow? Rosenbloom told me to expect it.
I'm not really sure what I expected. I don't actually think firing Mel Tucker mid-season accomplishes anything, although I'll be pretty mad if he comes back next year, I just kinda figured they'd have some list of lineup changes or something to throw at people to show things are changing and they said nothing. Which really is probably the most sensible thing. But I can't blame anyone for wanting sound and fury and blood just to feel better.
So is CFIHP correct that it's time to start tanking for the 2015 draft? Was Chuck ... *gasp* ... right?
Well, maybe? Cutler's not going anywhere till after next year. Forte's up after next year. Trestman's up after next year. They can walk away from Marshall without much penalty after next year, I think. Same with Bennett and Houston and Allen.
So this group is still in it together for this year and next year, most likely. So the best case scenario would be the offense figures it's shit out, ends this year playing well, Emery can spend a bunch of money and draft picks on the defense again this offseason, they try to contend next year, and if they still suck, you can blow everything up without crippling your cap situation, which is what would happen if they did that now. Hard to start a rebuild with $50 million or whatever in dead money. Ask Oakland.
Re-looking at Cutler's cap situation (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jay-cutler/), he gets a $10mm 2016 salary guaranty if he's on the team in April 2015. That would raise his cap hit to at least $13million if he's cut post 2015 season. The more likely scenario is that he's cut post 2016 where his cap hit will be $2.0mm in 2017. That means that the Bears would likely draft a new QB in one of the next two drafts.
True. With the raise in the salary cap though I wouldn't be shocked if they cut him after next year. Not ideal, obviously, but you can probably swallow that kind of cap hit, especially since if Cutler bombs next year they're hiring a new coach and maybe a new GM and neither of those guys is going to want to be the 17th pairing of brains to fail with Jay Cutler at QB.
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Quote from: SKO on October 27, 2014, 03:30:45 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 27, 2014, 03:28:08 PM
No one's been fired yet, so when does the team get dissolved as a legal entity? Is that tomorrow? Rosenbloom told me to expect it.
I'm not really sure what I expected. I don't actually think firing Mel Tucker mid-season accomplishes anything, although I'll be pretty mad if he comes back next year, I just kinda figured they'd have some list of lineup changes or something to throw at people to show things are changing and they said nothing. Which really is probably the most sensible thing. But I can't blame anyone for wanting sound and fury and blood just to feel better.
So is CFIHP correct that it's time to start tanking for the 2015 draft? Was Chuck ... *gasp* ... right?
Well, maybe? Cutler's not going anywhere till after next year. Forte's up after next year. Trestman's up after next year. They can walk away from Marshall without much penalty after next year, I think. Same with Bennett and Houston and Allen.
So this group is still in it together for this year and next year, most likely. So the best case scenario would be the offense figures it's shit out, ends this year playing well, Emery can spend a bunch of money and draft picks on the defense again this offseason, they try to contend next year, and if they still suck, you can blow everything up without crippling your cap situation, which is what would happen if they did that now. Hard to start a rebuild with $50 million or whatever in dead money. Ask Oakland.
Re-looking at Cutler's cap situation (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jay-cutler/), he gets a $10mm 2016 salary guaranty if he's on the team in April 2015. That would raise his cap hit to at least $13million if he's cut post 2015 season. The more likely scenario is that he's cut post 2016 where his cap hit will be $2.0mm in 2017. That means that the Bears would likely draft a new QB in one of the next two drafts.
True. With the raise in the salary cap though I wouldn't be shocked if they cut him after next year. Not ideal, obviously, but you can probably swallow that kind of cap hit, especially since if Cutler bombs next year they're hiring a new coach and maybe a new GM and neither of those guys is going to want to be the 17th pairing of brains to fail with Jay Cutler at QB.
That would save them $6mm. Your scenario is not unreasonable. Tea leaves in the form of what round (if any) they go QB in 2015.
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 27, 2014, 03:41:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 27, 2014, 03:30:45 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 27, 2014, 03:28:08 PM
No one's been fired yet, so when does the team get dissolved as a legal entity? Is that tomorrow? Rosenbloom told me to expect it.
I'm not really sure what I expected. I don't actually think firing Mel Tucker mid-season accomplishes anything, although I'll be pretty mad if he comes back next year, I just kinda figured they'd have some list of lineup changes or something to throw at people to show things are changing and they said nothing. Which really is probably the most sensible thing. But I can't blame anyone for wanting sound and fury and blood just to feel better.
So is CFIHP correct that it's time to start tanking for the 2015 draft? Was Chuck ... *gasp* ... right?
Well, maybe? Cutler's not going anywhere till after next year. Forte's up after next year. Trestman's up after next year. They can walk away from Marshall without much penalty after next year, I think. Same with Bennett and Houston and Allen.
So this group is still in it together for this year and next year, most likely. So the best case scenario would be the offense figures it's shit out, ends this year playing well, Emery can spend a bunch of money and draft picks on the defense again this offseason, they try to contend next year, and if they still suck, you can blow everything up without crippling your cap situation, which is what would happen if they did that now. Hard to start a rebuild with $50 million or whatever in dead money. Ask Oakland.
Re-looking at Cutler's cap situation (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jay-cutler/), he gets a $10mm 2016 salary guaranty if he's on the team in April 2015. That would raise his cap hit to at least $13million if he's cut post 2015 season. The more likely scenario is that he's cut post 2016 where his cap hit will be $2.0mm in 2017. That means that the Bears would likely draft a new QB in one of the next two drafts.
True. With the raise in the salary cap though I wouldn't be shocked if they cut him after next year. Not ideal, obviously, but you can probably swallow that kind of cap hit, especially since if Cutler bombs next year they're hiring a new coach and maybe a new GM and neither of those guys is going to want to be the 17th pairing of brains to fail with Jay Cutler at QB.
That would save them $6mm. Your scenario is not unreasonable. Tea leaves in the form of what round (if any) they go QB in 2015.
I doubt they go QB in 2015. Trestman signed off on Cutler. Emery signed off on Cutler. They're hitched to him. They'd better spend every resource they have on building a team that can win with Jay Cutler in 2015 or they're all out (well Trestman definitely, Emery maybe). No way they're wasting a useful bullet on a project QB that some other guy is probably going to have to develop. Cutler fails you get a first round QB in 2016.
Also the 2015 QB class looks shitty anyway. I'm not sold on Mariotta or Hundley or any of the possible first rounders they're throwing out there, and while I don't play DA MCCASCHEYS WILL GET IN DA WAY card much, I don't see any scenario where this franchise signs off on handing the keys to Jameis Winston even if he fell to them.
Quote from: SKO on October 27, 2014, 03:58:32 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 27, 2014, 03:56:58 PM
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 27, 2014, 03:41:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 27, 2014, 03:30:45 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 27, 2014, 03:28:08 PM
No one's been fired yet, so when does the team get dissolved as a legal entity? Is that tomorrow? Rosenbloom told me to expect it.
I'm not really sure what I expected. I don't actually think firing Mel Tucker mid-season accomplishes anything, although I'll be pretty mad if he comes back next year, I just kinda figured they'd have some list of lineup changes or something to throw at people to show things are changing and they said nothing. Which really is probably the most sensible thing. But I can't blame anyone for wanting sound and fury and blood just to feel better.
So is CFIHP correct that it's time to start tanking for the 2015 draft? Was Chuck ... *gasp* ... right?
Well, maybe? Cutler's not going anywhere till after next year. Forte's up after next year. Trestman's up after next year. They can walk away from Marshall without much penalty after next year, I think. Same with Bennett and Houston and Allen.
So this group is still in it together for this year and next year, most likely. So the best case scenario would be the offense figures it's shit out, ends this year playing well, Emery can spend a bunch of money and draft picks on the defense again this offseason, they try to contend next year, and if they still suck, you can blow everything up without crippling your cap situation, which is what would happen if they did that now. Hard to start a rebuild with $50 million or whatever in dead money. Ask Oakland.
Re-looking at Cutler's cap situation (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jay-cutler/), he gets a $10mm 2016 salary guaranty if he's on the team in April 2015. That would raise his cap hit to at least $13million if he's cut post 2015 season. The more likely scenario is that he's cut post 2016 where his cap hit will be $2.0mm in 2017. That means that the Bears would likely draft a new QB in one of the next two drafts.
True. With the raise in the salary cap though I wouldn't be shocked if they cut him after next year. Not ideal, obviously, but you can probably swallow that kind of cap hit, especially since if Cutler bombs next year they're hiring a new coach and maybe a new GM and neither of those guys is going to want to be the 17th pairing of brains to fail with Jay Cutler at QB.
I could see a team like Arizona trading for Cutler if they can't get a veteran FA like Roethlisberger. The return will be a lot less than what the Bears gave up for him, but dumping Cutler in a trade after this season or next may be the best option for all parties involved. Especially if they're going to fire Treststink after this season, which would be fine by me.
I also want a top 5 draft pick, based on the research that establishes that value in the first round is at the top or bottom end, but any pick in the middle is basically as valuable as any other.
I also wouldn't mind seeing a coach come in who wanted to play a 3-4. Now that the defense has been decimated, I'd rather the organization rebuild with a commitment to speed at the LB position and a defense that makes blitzing a lot easier in a division with Rodgers and Stafford chucking the ball.
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 27, 2014, 03:41:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 27, 2014, 03:30:45 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 27, 2014, 03:28:08 PM
No one's been fired yet, so when does the team get dissolved as a legal entity? Is that tomorrow? Rosenbloom told me to expect it.
I'm not really sure what I expected. I don't actually think firing Mel Tucker mid-season accomplishes anything, although I'll be pretty mad if he comes back next year, I just kinda figured they'd have some list of lineup changes or something to throw at people to show things are changing and they said nothing. Which really is probably the most sensible thing. But I can't blame anyone for wanting sound and fury and blood just to feel better.
So is CFIHP correct that it's time to start tanking for the 2015 draft? Was Chuck ... *gasp* ... right?
Well, maybe? Cutler's not going anywhere till after next year. Forte's up after next year. Trestman's up after next year. They can walk away from Marshall without much penalty after next year, I think. Same with Bennett and Houston and Allen.
So this group is still in it together for this year and next year, most likely. So the best case scenario would be the offense figures it's shit out, ends this year playing well, Emery can spend a bunch of money and draft picks on the defense again this offseason, they try to contend next year, and if they still suck, you can blow everything up without crippling your cap situation, which is what would happen if they did that now. Hard to start a rebuild with $50 million or whatever in dead money. Ask Oakland.
Re-looking at Cutler's cap situation (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jay-cutler/), he gets a $10mm 2016 salary guaranty if he's on the team in April 2015. That would raise his cap hit to at least $13million if he's cut post 2015 season. The more likely scenario is that he's cut post 2016 where his cap hit will be $2.0mm in 2017. That means that the Bears would likely draft a new QB in one of the next two drafts.
True. With the raise in the salary cap though I wouldn't be shocked if they cut him after next year. Not ideal, obviously, but you can probably swallow that kind of cap hit, especially since if Cutler bombs next year they're hiring a new coach and maybe a new GM and neither of those guys is going to want to be the 17th pairing of brains to fail with Jay Cutler at QB.
I could see a team like Arizona trading for Cutler if they can't get a veteran FA like Roethlisberger. The return will be a lot less than what the Bears gave up for him, but dumping Cutler in a trade after this season or next may be the best option for all parties involved. Especially if they're going to fire Treststink after this season, which would be fine by me.
I also want a top 5 draft pick, based on the research that establishes that value in the first round is at the top or bottom end, but any pick in the middle is basically as valuable as any other.
I also wouldn't mind seeing a coach come in who wanted to play a 3-4. Now that the defense has been decimated, I'd rather the organization rebuild with a commitment to speed at the LB position and a defense that makes blitzing a lot easier in a division with Rodgers and Stafford chucking the ball.
What the hell is with the constant belief among fans that the 3-4 is somehow the better scheme? Rodgers is literally, statistically
the greatest quarterback in the history of the NFL vs. the blitz and you think that's the answer?
3 of the top 6 defenses in the NFL this year run the 4-3. The Seahawks had (adjusted for the pass happy era) arguably the greatest pass defense of all time last year running a 4-3. 4-3 defenses have won 5 of the last 8 Superbowls. The 2002 Buccaneers, the 2000 Ravens, the 1985 Bears, the 70s Steelers, the 90s Cowboys all ran a goddamn 4-3. But blitzes sound fun and stuff so let's get a 3-4 despite the fact that the only good thing about this defense and arguably the entire team is a defensive line that's already produced 19 sacks.
I mean if they hire Todd Bowles or something and he wants to bring a 3-4 with him, more power to him, but there's zero evidence whatsoever the scheme is somehow inherently superior.
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 27, 2014, 03:41:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 27, 2014, 03:30:45 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 27, 2014, 03:28:08 PM
No one's been fired yet, so when does the team get dissolved as a legal entity? Is that tomorrow? Rosenbloom told me to expect it.
I'm not really sure what I expected. I don't actually think firing Mel Tucker mid-season accomplishes anything, although I'll be pretty mad if he comes back next year, I just kinda figured they'd have some list of lineup changes or something to throw at people to show things are changing and they said nothing. Which really is probably the most sensible thing. But I can't blame anyone for wanting sound and fury and blood just to feel better.
So is CFIHP correct that it's time to start tanking for the 2015 draft? Was Chuck ... *gasp* ... right?
Well, maybe? Cutler's not going anywhere till after next year. Forte's up after next year. Trestman's up after next year. They can walk away from Marshall without much penalty after next year, I think. Same with Bennett and Houston and Allen.
So this group is still in it together for this year and next year, most likely. So the best case scenario would be the offense figures it's shit out, ends this year playing well, Emery can spend a bunch of money and draft picks on the defense again this offseason, they try to contend next year, and if they still suck, you can blow everything up without crippling your cap situation, which is what would happen if they did that now. Hard to start a rebuild with $50 million or whatever in dead money. Ask Oakland.
Re-looking at Cutler's cap situation (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jay-cutler/), he gets a $10mm 2016 salary guaranty if he's on the team in April 2015. That would raise his cap hit to at least $13million if he's cut post 2015 season. The more likely scenario is that he's cut post 2016 where his cap hit will be $2.0mm in 2017. That means that the Bears would likely draft a new QB in one of the next two drafts.
True. With the raise in the salary cap though I wouldn't be shocked if they cut him after next year. Not ideal, obviously, but you can probably swallow that kind of cap hit, especially since if Cutler bombs next year they're hiring a new coach and maybe a new GM and neither of those guys is going to want to be the 17th pairing of brains to fail with Jay Cutler at QB.
I could see a team like Arizona trading for Cutler if they can't get a veteran FA like Roethlisberger. The return will be a lot less than what the Bears gave up for him, but dumping Cutler in a trade after this season or next may be the best option for all parties involved. Especially if they're going to fire Treststink after this season, which would be fine by me.
I also want a top 5 draft pick, based on the research that establishes that value in the first round is at the top or bottom end, but any pick in the middle is basically as valuable as any other.
I also wouldn't mind seeing a coach come in who wanted to play a 3-4. Now that the defense has been decimated, I'd rather the organization rebuild with a commitment to speed at the LB position and a defense that makes blitzing a lot easier in a division with Rodgers and Stafford chucking the ball.
Also glad you keep referencing and never citing this study you read. This would seem to indicate otherwise (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24551435/nfl-draft-which-draft-slot-offers-teams-most-success): (http://i.imgur.com/YQkrm7o.png)
The blue line is the 5 year career average value (a useful stat developed by Pro Football Reference that, while not perfect, gives a general idea of how useful a player has been in his career) vs. the green line, or "expected value" if, in theory, the production of players drafted in the first round directly correlated to their draft slot. Basically it's a total crapshoot and tanking (unless done for a clear, concrete goal like acquiring the #1 overall pick to get someone like Andrew Luck, which is still a risky proposition given how few of those there are) doesn't really reward any more than just drafting in the middle of the first round.
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 27, 2014, 03:41:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 27, 2014, 03:30:45 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 27, 2014, 03:28:08 PM
No one's been fired yet, so when does the team get dissolved as a legal entity? Is that tomorrow? Rosenbloom told me to expect it.
I'm not really sure what I expected. I don't actually think firing Mel Tucker mid-season accomplishes anything, although I'll be pretty mad if he comes back next year, I just kinda figured they'd have some list of lineup changes or something to throw at people to show things are changing and they said nothing. Which really is probably the most sensible thing. But I can't blame anyone for wanting sound and fury and blood just to feel better.
So is CFIHP correct that it's time to start tanking for the 2015 draft? Was Chuck ... *gasp* ... right?
Well, maybe? Cutler's not going anywhere till after next year. Forte's up after next year. Trestman's up after next year. They can walk away from Marshall without much penalty after next year, I think. Same with Bennett and Houston and Allen.
So this group is still in it together for this year and next year, most likely. So the best case scenario would be the offense figures it's shit out, ends this year playing well, Emery can spend a bunch of money and draft picks on the defense again this offseason, they try to contend next year, and if they still suck, you can blow everything up without crippling your cap situation, which is what would happen if they did that now. Hard to start a rebuild with $50 million or whatever in dead money. Ask Oakland.
Re-looking at Cutler's cap situation (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jay-cutler/), he gets a $10mm 2016 salary guaranty if he's on the team in April 2015. That would raise his cap hit to at least $13million if he's cut post 2015 season. The more likely scenario is that he's cut post 2016 where his cap hit will be $2.0mm in 2017. That means that the Bears would likely draft a new QB in one of the next two drafts.
True. With the raise in the salary cap though I wouldn't be shocked if they cut him after next year. Not ideal, obviously, but you can probably swallow that kind of cap hit, especially since if Cutler bombs next year they're hiring a new coach and maybe a new GM and neither of those guys is going to want to be the 17th pairing of brains to fail with Jay Cutler at QB.
I could see a team like Arizona trading for Cutler if they can't get a veteran FA like Roethlisberger. The return will be a lot less than what the Bears gave up for him, but dumping Cutler in a trade after this season or next may be the best option for all parties involved. Especially if they're going to fire Treststink after this season, which would be fine by me.
I also want a top 5 draft pick, based on the research that establishes that value in the first round is at the top or bottom end, but any pick in the middle is basically as valuable as any other.
I also wouldn't mind seeing a coach come in who wanted to play a 3-4. Now that the defense has been decimated, I'd rather the organization rebuild with a commitment to speed at the LB position and a defense that makes blitzing a lot easier in a division with Rodgers and Stafford chucking the ball.
Also glad you keep referencing and never citing this study you read. This would seem to indicate otherwise (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24551435/nfl-draft-which-draft-slot-offers-teams-most-success): (http://i.imgur.com/YQkrm7o.png)
The blue line is the 5 year career average value (a useful stat developed by Pro Football Reference that, while not perfect, gives a general idea of how useful a player has been in his career) vs. the green line, or "expected value" if, in theory, the production of players drafted in the first round directly correlated to their draft slot. Basically it's a total crapshoot and tanking (unless done for a clear, concrete goal like acquiring the #1 overall pick to get someone like Andrew Luck, which is still a risky proposition given how few of those there are) doesn't really reward any more than just drafting in the middle of the first round.
I know nothing about football, but I would be
extremely surprised if the "expected value" of a (1st round) draft slot was linear. Your graph seems to show that a mid 2nd rounder has negative expected value.
Quote from: ChuckD on October 27, 2014, 09:13:47 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 27, 2014, 09:08:40 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 27, 2014, 08:24:33 PM
I could see a team like Arizona trading for Cutler if they can't get a veteran FA like Roethlisberger. The return will be a lot less than what the Bears gave up for him, but dumping Cutler in a trade after this season or next may be the best option for all parties involved. Especially if they're going to fire Treststink after this season, which would be fine by me.
I also want a top 5 draft pick, based on the research that establishes that value in the first round is at the top or bottom end, but any pick in the middle is basically as valuable as any other.
I also wouldn't mind seeing a coach come in who wanted to play a 3-4. Now that the defense has been decimated, I'd rather the organization rebuild with a commitment to speed at the LB position and a defense that makes blitzing a lot easier in a division with Rodgers and Stafford chucking the ball.
Also glad you keep referencing and never citing this study you read. This would seem to indicate otherwise (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24551435/nfl-draft-which-draft-slot-offers-teams-most-success): (http://i.imgur.com/YQkrm7o.png)
The blue line is the 5 year career average value (a useful stat developed by Pro Football Reference that, while not perfect, gives a general idea of how useful a player has been in his career) vs. the green line, or "expected value" if, in theory, the production of players drafted in the first round directly correlated to their draft slot. Basically it's a total crapshoot and tanking (unless done for a clear, concrete goal like acquiring the #1 overall pick to get someone like Andrew Luck, which is still a risky proposition given how few of those there are) doesn't really reward any more than just drafting in the middle of the first round.
I know nothing about football, but I would be extremely surprised if the "expected value" of a (1st round) draft slot was linear. Your graph seems to show that a mid 2nd rounder has negative expected value.
I kind of worded it poorly but here's how the author described the "theoretical value" line:
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In a perfect world, you'd have a steady declining value beginning from the first pick and then on to the 32nd overall pick. Each pick is worth less than the one before it for a number of reasons.
This isn't a perfect world -- over the past five years we see some serious dip from the first pick on, with value rising and falling fairly randomly and then surging above where it should be based on averages.
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All it means is if the draft science was exact you would think that your average #6 overall pick would go on to be a better player than your average #14 overall pick, but in practice basically there's been no real difference in terms of value between those slots. You get roughly the same # of busts and successes, and the successes at #14 are as good as the successes at #6. And that doesn't even take into account the cost of whiffing on a top five pick is greater than, say, #15, although the new CBA has made it much more manageable.
Quote from: ChuckD on October 27, 2014, 09:13:47 PM
I know nothing about football, but I would be extremely surprised if the "expected value" of a (1st round) draft slot was linear. Your graph seems to show that a mid 2nd rounder has negative expected value.
Regardless of however he calculates "expected value" I think it's safe to say from the actual AVs of the players taken that tanking makes little to no sense as the whole first round is obviously a total crapshoot across the board.
Not the study I was referring to.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-team-can-beat-the-draft/
See fn. 11 in particular. The success rate for Top 5 picks is 10.5% (bad, I know). But that's twice as good as the success rate of 5% outside of the Top 10. I'd rather have a pick that is twice as likely to be successful in years in which a team isn't going to make the playoffs.
If nothing else, the Johnson chart suggests that trading the #1 pick is probably a dominant strategy, given how much teams overvalue it. If the Bears could somehow end up with it and then get a team to trade for it as if it were worth 100AV+, that would almost certainly be a better outcome than drafting with it, especially in this class.
But at the end of the day, the draft is pretty much a lottery, and no GM can beat it anyways. So there's that too.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 28, 2014, 05:18:08 PM
Not the study I was referring to.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-team-can-beat-the-draft/
See fn. 11 in particular. The success rate for Top 5 picks is 10.5% (bad, I know). But that's twice as good as the success rate of 5% outside of the Top 10. I'd rather have a pick that is twice as likely to be successful in years in which a team isn't going to make the playoffs.
If nothing else, the Johnson chart suggests that trading the #1 pick is probably a dominant strategy, given how much teams overvalue it. If the Bears could somehow end up with it and then get a team to trade for it as if it were worth 100AV+, that would almost certainly be a better outcome than drafting with it, especially in this class.
But at the end of the day, the draft is pretty much a lottery, and no GM can beat it anyways. So there's that too.
Haven't teams been trying to do this for the last few years without any success?
Pretty sure it's not overvalued at all anymore.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 28, 2014, 05:33:51 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 28, 2014, 05:18:08 PM
Not the study I was referring to.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-team-can-beat-the-draft/
See fn. 11 in particular. The success rate for Top 5 picks is 10.5% (bad, I know). But that's twice as good as the success rate of 5% outside of the Top 10. I'd rather have a pick that is twice as likely to be successful in years in which a team isn't going to make the playoffs.
If nothing else, the Johnson chart suggests that trading the #1 pick is probably a dominant strategy, given how much teams overvalue it. If the Bears could somehow end up with it and then get a team to trade for it as if it were worth 100AV+, that would almost certainly be a better outcome than drafting with it, especially in this class.
But at the end of the day, the draft is pretty much a lottery, and no GM can beat it anyways. So there's that too.
Haven't teams been trying to do this for the last few years without any success?
Pretty sure it's not overvalued at all anymore.
Watkins is good, but I still think the Bills overpaid for him. The Redskins vastly overpaid for RG3. Maybe you want 2 - 5 instead? Which is fine, because that's where the Bears are likely to end up, if they end up in the top 5.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 28, 2014, 09:26:28 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 28, 2014, 05:33:51 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 28, 2014, 05:18:08 PM
Not the study I was referring to.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-team-can-beat-the-draft/
See fn. 11 in particular. The success rate for Top 5 picks is 10.5% (bad, I know). But that's twice as good as the success rate of 5% outside of the Top 10. I'd rather have a pick that is twice as likely to be successful in years in which a team isn't going to make the playoffs.
If nothing else, the Johnson chart suggests that trading the #1 pick is probably a dominant strategy, given how much teams overvalue it. If the Bears could somehow end up with it and then get a team to trade for it as if it were worth 100AV+, that would almost certainly be a better outcome than drafting with it, especially in this class.
But at the end of the day, the draft is pretty much a lottery, and no GM can beat it anyways. So there's that too.
Haven't teams been trying to do this for the last few years without any success?
Pretty sure it's not overvalued at all anymore.
Watkins is good, but I still think the Bills overpaid for him. The Redskins vastly overpaid for RG3. Maybe you want 2 - 5 instead? Which is fine, because that's where the Bears are likely to end up, if they end up in the top 5.
Too early to speak on Watkins, but it's pretty clear the Redskins overpaid for RG3, but that's because he hasn't been that good for them. If he was the next great QB? It's a steal.
The Falcons gave up a shitton for Julio Jones and that's working out just fine.
I don't even know what we're talking about any more.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 29, 2014, 10:12:19 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 28, 2014, 09:26:28 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 28, 2014, 05:33:51 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 28, 2014, 05:18:08 PM
Not the study I was referring to.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-team-can-beat-the-draft/
See fn. 11 in particular. The success rate for Top 5 picks is 10.5% (bad, I know). But that's twice as good as the success rate of 5% outside of the Top 10. I'd rather have a pick that is twice as likely to be successful in years in which a team isn't going to make the playoffs.
If nothing else, the Johnson chart suggests that trading the #1 pick is probably a dominant strategy, given how much teams overvalue it. If the Bears could somehow end up with it and then get a team to trade for it as if it were worth 100AV+, that would almost certainly be a better outcome than drafting with it, especially in this class.
But at the end of the day, the draft is pretty much a lottery, and no GM can beat it anyways. So there's that too.
Haven't teams been trying to do this for the last few years without any success?
Pretty sure it's not overvalued at all anymore.
Watkins is good, but I still think the Bills overpaid for him. The Redskins vastly overpaid for RG3. Maybe you want 2 - 5 instead? Which is fine, because that's where the Bears are likely to end up, if they end up in the top 5.
Too early to speak on Watkins, but it's pretty clear the Redskins overpaid for RG3, but that's because he hasn't been that good for them. If he was the next great QB? It's a steal.
The Falcons gave up a shitton for Julio Jones and that's working out just fine.
I don't even know what we're talking about any more.
Forget it, Pen. It's CubFaninHydePark Town
Today is my birthday. I guess my gift is getting to watch what a real QB looks like.
I'd much rather have the BMarsh Axe murderer special, in which everyone but him, Jeffrey, and Forte associated with this franchise dies a grisly death, but....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2DJwH5CEAAHdZK.png:large)
This is fun. I like football. Go Bears.
CFiHP posting about the Bears here on his birthday is probably the saddest thing I've ever seen.
Quote from: Eli on November 09, 2014, 10:04:16 PM
CFiHP posting about the Bears here on his birthday is probably the saddest thing I've ever seen.
You could have saved some keystrokes.
Quote from: Eli on November 09, 2014, 10:04:16 PM
CFiHP posting about the Bears here on his birthday is probably the saddest thing I've ever seen.
I drove to a wake in Orland Park today.
It was for someone that I have known since I was a teenager. Great guy a real character.
He was also the brother of a guy that I have worked with (and stood next to every day) for more than 25 years.
The guy I worked with? It was the second brother he has lost in the last 5 months. His wife tore her ACL while dancing 2 months ago and was still wearing the knee brace when I hugged her at the wake. Oh and get this, I was forced to fire him back in June after he had been with the firm for 32 years.
There was an overturned semi on the 290 / 294 interchange.
Two and a half hours to get there, two hours visiting, and an hour and a half to get back home.
Lots of tears and emotional moments.
I don't really care that much about the Bears or the rest of this shit right now.
And just like CT I might be a little drunk as well.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 09, 2014, 08:46:42 PM
Today is my birthday.
Status check... (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AgiabNX4n3X0dDdnZW12NzZLNHl4ekxMR0JPX1F1bUE&single=true&gid=4&output=html)
(http://i.imgur.com/u8AU58k.png)
Quote from: flannj on November 09, 2014, 10:28:49 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 09, 2014, 10:04:16 PM
CFiHP posting about the Bears here on his birthday is probably the saddest thing I've ever seen.
I drove to a wake in Orland Park today.
It was for someone that I have known since I was a teenager. Great guy a real character.
He was also the brother of a guy that I have worked with (and stood next to every day) for more than 25 years.
The guy I worked with? It was the second brother he has lost in the last 5 months. His wife tore her ACL while dancing 2 months ago and was still wearing the knee brace when I hugged her at the wake. Oh and get this, I was forced to fire him back in June after he had been with the firm for 32 years.
There was an overturned semi on the 290 / 294 interchange.
Two and a half hours to get there, two hours visiting, and an hour and a half to get back home.
Lots of tears and emotional moments.
I don't really care that much about the Bears or the rest of this shit right now.
And just like CT I might be a little drunk as well.
That's brutal, man. Sorry for all of this.
This Bears team is so bad that even Hub Arkush overestimated their competence.
Slaky, after the shitshows put on display by Mike Olt and the Bears I'd kindly request that you stop posting negative predictions related to Chicago sports teams.
Quote from: InternetApex on November 10, 2014, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: flannj on November 09, 2014, 10:28:49 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 09, 2014, 10:04:16 PM
CFiHP posting about the Bears here on his birthday is probably the saddest thing I've ever seen.
I drove to a wake in Orland Park today.
It was for someone that I have known since I was a teenager. Great guy a real character.
He was also the brother of a guy that I have worked with (and stood next to every day) for more than 25 years.
The guy I worked with? It was the second brother he has lost in the last 5 months. His wife tore her ACL while dancing 2 months ago and was still wearing the knee brace when I hugged her at the wake. Oh and get this, I was forced to fire him back in June after he had been with the firm for 32 years.
There was an overturned semi on the 290 / 294 interchange.
Two and a half hours to get there, two hours visiting, and an hour and a half to get back home.
Lots of tears and emotional moments.
I don't really care that much about the Bears or the rest of this shit right now.
And just like CT I might be a little drunk as well.
That's brutal, man. Sorry for all of this.
What's the big deal? Is everyone forgetting that we are Cub fans?
So, how does this thing get rebuilt, besides hoping the next Aaron Rodgers somehow falls into the Bears' lap?
Quote from: Eli on November 10, 2014, 11:22:16 AM
So, how does this thing get rebuilt, besides hoping the next Aaron Rodgers somehow falls into the Bears' lap?
My guess is that it doesn't. Someone Tweeted last night that the Bears are in the "Dollar Bill is Still Alive Phase." And there is no Rocky Wirtz in the wings to move them into the next century once the current crop of McCaskey's kicks it.
That's oversimplifying obviously. But I don't see anyway out of the wilderness. They might lose all the rest of their games, get a top 3 pick and blow it on some turd who can't play.
Quote from: InternetApex on November 10, 2014, 11:33:37 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 10, 2014, 11:22:16 AM
So, how does this thing get rebuilt, besides hoping the next Aaron Rodgers somehow falls into the Bears' lap?
My guess is that it doesn't. Someone Tweeted last night that the Bears are in the "Dollar Bill is Still Alive Phase." And there is no Rocky Wirtz in the wings to move them into the next century once the current crop of McCaskey's kicks it.
That's oversimplifying obviously. But I don't see anyway out of the wilderness. They might lose all the rest of their games, get a top 3 pick and blow it on some turd who can't play.
That's what sucks the worst about this - I have no confidence that the Mickey Doyle of Halas Hall, Ted Phillips, would make a good GM hire even if they completely cleaned house from Emery on down. I know it's not the most important thing, but I'm going to go ahead and assume the McCaskeys are completely incompetent until they can get some goddamn motherfucking Field Turf installed. Until they can accomplish that simple task I see no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Quote from: R-V on November 10, 2014, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on November 10, 2014, 11:33:37 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 10, 2014, 11:22:16 AM
So, how does this thing get rebuilt, besides hoping the next Aaron Rodgers somehow falls into the Bears' lap?
My guess is that it doesn't. Someone Tweeted last night that the Bears are in the "Dollar Bill is Still Alive Phase." And there is no Rocky Wirtz in the wings to move them into the next century once the current crop of McCaskey's kicks it.
That's oversimplifying obviously. But I don't see anyway out of the wilderness. They might lose all the rest of their games, get a top 3 pick and blow it on some turd who can't play.
That's what sucks the worst about this - I have no confidence that the Mickey Doyle of Halas Hall, Ted Phillips, would make a good GM hire even if they completely cleaned house from Emery on down. I know it's not the most important thing, but I'm going to go ahead and assume the McCaskeys are completely incompetent until they can get some goddamn motherfucking Field Turf installed. Until they can accomplish that simple task I see no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt.
New field = playoff bound
Quote from: Eli on November 10, 2014, 11:22:16 AM
So, how does this thing get rebuilt, besides hoping the next Aaron Rodgers somehow falls into the Bears' lap?
I don't know how you rebuild without being able to figure out exactly what the hell is wrong. I mean the defense is a tire fire, that parts easy. But the offense...
1) Is Jay the problem? Like I said, he's definitely part of the problem, but, shit, it's not like we haven't seen him play way better than this in this very offense even, before. His just sudden lack of any production despite no seeming lack of physical ability is odd as hell. Given his contract you probably can't get rid of him yet but shit how do you feel any confidence he might rebound next year?
2)Is Marshall done? Is he just hurt? Is him being hurt why he can't get open? is him not getting open affecting Jay and Alshon? Can he get better next year and thus make the guys around him better?
3)Is Alshon the guy from 2013 or the guy from 2012 and 2014 with frequent dropsies who gets a lot of nagging injuries and just disappears sometimes? Can you build around him?
4)Is Marty worth putting up with anymore?
5)How much longer till Forte's just dead?
I just don't know how you completely rebuild from the ground up given their contract situation, but no one seems to be part of the core they can count on going forward. I mean Alshon's eligible for an extension this offseason. Do you pay him?
Umm y'all should read Tim Baffoe's timeline (can't link from my work computer and my phone won't load desipio) as he re-wrote the Simpsons mono-rail song about Trestman.
Quote from: SKO on November 10, 2014, 01:27:41 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 10, 2014, 11:22:16 AM
So, how does this thing get rebuilt, besides hoping the next Aaron Rodgers somehow falls into the Bears' lap?
I don't know how you rebuild without being able to figure out exactly what the hell is wrong. I mean the defense is a tire fire, that parts easy. But the offense...
1) Is Jay the problem? Like I said, he's definitely part of the problem, but, shit, it's not like we haven't seen him play way better than this in this very offense even, before. His just sudden lack of any production despite no seeming lack of physical ability is odd as hell. Given his contract you probably can't get rid of him yet but shit how do you feel any confidence he might rebound next year?
2)Is Marshall done? Is he just hurt? Is him being hurt why he can't get open? is him not getting open affecting Jay and Alshon? Can he get better next year and thus make the guys around him better?
3)Is Alshon the guy from 2013 or the guy from 2012 and 2014 with frequent dropsies who gets a lot of nagging injuries and just disappears sometimes? Can you build around him?
4)Is Marty worth putting up with anymore?
5)How much longer till Forte's just dead?
I just don't know how you completely rebuild from the ground up given their contract situation, but no one seems to be part of the core they can count on going forward. I mean Alshon's eligible for an extension this offseason. Do you pay him?
This isn't depressing. Once the new GM addresses all 5 items above, he can start on the disaster that is defense and special teams.
Quote from: SKO on November 10, 2014, 03:54:52 PM
Umm y'all should read Tim Baffoe's timeline (can't link from my work computer and my phone won't load desipio) as he re-wrote the Simpsons mono-rail song about Trestman.
I unfollowed the dude after he just started shilling posts from whatever The Cauldron is, but that was pretty amazing.
Quote from: Eli on November 10, 2014, 03:57:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 10, 2014, 03:54:52 PM
Umm y'all should read Tim Baffoe's timeline (can't link from my work computer and my phone won't load desipio) as he re-wrote the Simpsons mono-rail song about Trestman.
I unfollowed the dude after he just started shilling posts from whatever The Cauldron is, but that was pretty amazing.
Pretty sure that idiot's still off defending Jay Cutler like some kind of loon.
Quote from: BH on November 10, 2014, 03:56:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 10, 2014, 01:27:41 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 10, 2014, 11:22:16 AM
So, how does this thing get rebuilt, besides hoping the next Aaron Rodgers somehow falls into the Bears' lap?
I don't know how you rebuild without being able to figure out exactly what the hell is wrong. I mean the defense is a tire fire, that parts easy. But the offense...
1) Is Jay the problem? Like I said, he's definitely part of the problem, but, shit, it's not like we haven't seen him play way better than this in this very offense even, before. His just sudden lack of any production despite no seeming lack of physical ability is odd as hell. Given his contract you probably can't get rid of him yet but shit how do you feel any confidence he might rebound next year?
2)Is Marshall done? Is he just hurt? Is him being hurt why he can't get open? is him not getting open affecting Jay and Alshon? Can he get better next year and thus make the guys around him better?
3)Is Alshon the guy from 2013 or the guy from 2012 and 2014 with frequent dropsies who gets a lot of nagging injuries and just disappears sometimes? Can you build around him?
4)Is Marty worth putting up with anymore?
5)How much longer till Forte's just dead?
I just don't know how you completely rebuild from the ground up given their contract situation, but no one seems to be part of the core they can count on going forward. I mean Alshon's eligible for an extension this offseason. Do you pay him?
This isn't depressing. Once the new GM addresses all 5 items above, he can start on the disaster that is defense and special teams.
This list is pointless as it includes nothing about Field Turf.
Quote from: R-V on November 10, 2014, 11:46:05 AM
I have no confidence that the Mickey Doyle of Halas Hall, Ted Phillips, would make a good GM hire even if they completely cleaned house from Emery on down.
This may be the best thing ever written on this site.
Quote from: CBStew on November 10, 2014, 09:39:27 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on November 10, 2014, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: flannj on November 09, 2014, 10:28:49 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 09, 2014, 10:04:16 PM
CFiHP posting about the Bears here on his birthday is probably the saddest thing I've ever seen.
I drove to a wake in Orland Park today.
It was for someone that I have known since I was a teenager. Great guy a real character.
He was also the brother of a guy that I have worked with (and stood next to every day) for more than 25 years.
The guy I worked with? It was the second brother he has lost in the last 5 months. His wife tore her ACL while dancing 2 months ago and was still wearing the knee brace when I hugged her at the wake. Oh and get this, I was forced to fire him back in June after he had been with the firm for 32 years.
There was an overturned semi on the 290 / 294 interchange.
Two and a half hours to get there, two hours visiting, and an hour and a half to get back home.
Lots of tears and emotional moments.
I don't really care that much about the Bears or the rest of this shit right now.
And just like CT I might be a little drunk as well.
That's brutal, man. Sorry for all of this.
What's the big deal? Is everyone forgetting that we are Cub fans?
You're right Stew.
I just spent the day taking my daughter to get her visa for her upcoming semester in Italy and then we had an unbelievable lunch at The Purple Pig.
Talked and walked for hours and had another "best day ever".
In addition to that, reading about all of you youngsters reminiscing about child birth helped to remind me that good stuff can follow a crappy day.
Also, thanks Pex.
Quote from: flannj on November 10, 2014, 08:54:43 PM
Quote from: CBStew on November 10, 2014, 09:39:27 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on November 10, 2014, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: flannj on November 09, 2014, 10:28:49 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 09, 2014, 10:04:16 PM
CFiHP posting about the Bears here on his birthday is probably the saddest thing I've ever seen.
I drove to a wake in Orland Park today.
It was for someone that I have known since I was a teenager. Great guy a real character.
He was also the brother of a guy that I have worked with (and stood next to every day) for more than 25 years.
The guy I worked with? It was the second brother he has lost in the last 5 months. His wife tore her ACL while dancing 2 months ago and was still wearing the knee brace when I hugged her at the wake. Oh and get this, I was forced to fire him back in June after he had been with the firm for 32 years.
There was an overturned semi on the 290 / 294 interchange.
Two and a half hours to get there, two hours visiting, and an hour and a half to get back home.
Lots of tears and emotional moments.
I don't really care that much about the Bears or the rest of this shit right now.
And just like CT I might be a little drunk as well.
That's brutal, man. Sorry for all of this.
What's the big deal? Is everyone forgetting that we are Cub fans?
You're right Stew.
I just spent the day taking my daughter to get her visa for her upcoming semester in Italy and then we had an unbelievable lunch at The Purple Pig.
Talked and walked for hours and had another "best day ever".
In addition to that, reading about all of you youngsters reminiscing about child birth helped to remind me that good stuff can follow a crappy day.
Also, thanks Pex.
Add my sympathies.
But at the end of the day, while we have a good time in this fringe messageboard, the fact is that things like sports and TV are meant to be diversions to allow us to disengage from the shitty things that clobber us in the real world. And even when the Cubs, Bears or whoever are at their shittiest, the one thing that makes it great is that it's something we can all share. But we do find ourselves getting invested in the thing, regardless of the fact that we have no control over the outcome. But in its perverse way, it's fun to have this thing that can eat away at our stomach linings. And there's still nothing like a Cub game on a sunny afternoon when no matter how bad the Cubs are, the sides start out 0-0 and anything can happen.
Jake Uttler knows how to fix the team.
CHICAGO—Following the team's blowout 55-14 loss to the Green Bay Packers Sunday night, Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler told reporters Tuesday that he would be the first person to admit the team is in dire need of a new punter. "It's certainly not an easy thing to say, but at the end of the day, someone has to step up and accept that mistakes were made by our punter, Pat O'Donnell," said Cutler, who pointed to O'Donnell's blocked punt in the third quarter as playing a major role in the team's unraveling and conceded that blame for the team's loss rested squarely on the rookie punter. "Going forward, there will have to be some serious adjustments made to our punt unit—when individual players aren't doing their part out there, we're going to fall short as a team. Pat didn't play well, and he needs to accept responsibility for that." Cutler went on to acknowledge that Bears long snapper Jeremy Cain will also need to step up his performance significantly before next week's game against the Vikings if the team is to have any chance of turning its season around.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/jay-cutler-ill-be-the-first-person-to-admit-we-nee,37422/
Quote from: R-V on November 10, 2014, 08:47:46 AM
This Bears team is so bad that even Hub Arkush overestimated their competence.
Slaky, after the shitshows put on display by Mike Olt and the Bears I'd kindly request that you stop posting negative predictions related to Chicago sports teams.
Did I say they would suck?
Quote from: Slaky on November 12, 2014, 10:13:48 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 10, 2014, 08:47:46 AM
This Bears team is so bad that even Hub Arkush overestimated their competence.
Slaky, after the shitshows put on display by Mike Olt and the Bears I'd kindly request that you stop posting negative predictions related to Chicago sports teams.
Did I say they would suck?
I think you said they'd suck Last year. Then I think like the rest of us you kinda got suckered on the "hey the offense was great last year and the defense can't be THAT bad again" train for this year.
What damn fools we were.
So, to bring this back around to where it started, are we guessing the pick will be top 10? Top 5? As of right now, they are #9. And with only one or two years of Cutler left, do they go QB?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 12, 2014, 10:19:07 AM
So, to bring this back around to where it started, are we guessing the pick will be top 10? Top 5? As of right now, they are #9. And with only one or two years of Cutler left, do they go QB?
Punter.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 12, 2014, 10:19:07 AM
So, to bring this back around to where it started, are we guessing the pick will be top 10? Top 5? As of right now, they are #9. And with only one or two years of Cutler left, do they go QB?
I think they'll be top 7 and should go for the best player available. I don't have much faith in their ability to correctly identify that player and have grown tired of the subject.
*drinks*
Quote from: InternetApex on November 12, 2014, 12:33:14 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 12, 2014, 10:19:07 AM
So, to bring this back around to where it started, are we guessing the pick will be top 10? Top 5? As of right now, they are #9. And with only one or two years of Cutler left, do they go QB?
I think they'll be top 7 and should go for the best player available. I don't have much faith in their ability to correctly identify that player and have grown tired of the subject.
*drinks*
They should trade the pick to the Cubs for Kyle Schwarber, plug him in at linebacker, and pop the champagne.
Quote from: InternetApex on November 12, 2014, 12:33:14 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 12, 2014, 10:19:07 AM
So, to bring this back around to where it started, are we guessing the pick will be top 10? Top 5? As of right now, they are #9. And with only one or two years of Cutler left, do they go QB?
I think they'll be top 7 and should go for the best player available. I don't have much faith in their ability to correctly identify that player and have grown tired of the subject.
*drinks*
Barring a complete overhaul of GM and Coach, which seems really unlikely, I don't see anyway they'll draft a QB in the first round.
Cutler isn't the kind of QB you have a young guy sit and learn from, and his contract is too big right now to let him walk.
There's one more year of this for sure.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 13, 2014, 10:46:35 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on November 12, 2014, 12:33:14 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 12, 2014, 10:19:07 AM
So, to bring this back around to where it started, are we guessing the pick will be top 10? Top 5? As of right now, they are #9. And with only one or two years of Cutler left, do they go QB?
I think they'll be top 7 and should go for the best player available. I don't have much faith in their ability to correctly identify that player and have grown tired of the subject.
*drinks*
Barring a complete overhaul of GM and Coach, which seems really unlikely, I don't see anyway they'll draft a QB in the first round.
Cutler isn't the kind of QB you have a young guy sit and learn from, and his contract is too big right now to let him walk.
There's one more year of this for sure.
Also I really don't want any of the QBs in this first round. Let em suck for one more year and start your rebuild with a clean slate/cap.
Quote from: SKO on November 13, 2014, 10:52:05 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 13, 2014, 10:46:35 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on November 12, 2014, 12:33:14 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 12, 2014, 10:19:07 AM
So, to bring this back around to where it started, are we guessing the pick will be top 10? Top 5? As of right now, they are #9. And with only one or two years of Cutler left, do they go QB?
I think they'll be top 7 and should go for the best player available. I don't have much faith in their ability to correctly identify that player and have grown tired of the subject.
*drinks*
Barring a complete overhaul of GM and Coach, which seems really unlikely, I don't see anyway they'll draft a QB in the first round.
Cutler isn't the kind of QB you have a young guy sit and learn from, and his contract is too big right now to let him walk.
There's one more year of this for sure.
Also I really don't want any of the QBs in this first round. Let em suck for one more year and start your rebuild with a clean slate/cap.
Would Bears' management me interested in a rebuild, or will they view this season as an aberration and try adding pieces?
Mind you, not what any of us would think, just what Bears' management would think.
Also, starting a rebuild with a QB is probably not the best way to go. I'd think start on the line of scrimmage and work outward.
Quote from: Fork on November 13, 2014, 10:58:17 AM
Also, starting a rebuild with a QB is probably not the best way to go. I'd think start on the line of scrimmage and work outward.
Better protection = more time to set up the play action.
Quote from: Eli on November 13, 2014, 11:11:30 AM
Quote from: Fork on November 13, 2014, 10:58:17 AM
Also, starting a rebuild with a QB is probably not the best way to go. I'd think start on the line of scrimmage and work outward.
Better protection = more time to set up the play action.
Seriously though...if there was a QB the Bears wanted to build around, at least he could learn the ropes while Cutler runs out his contract - if Peyton Manning had come out as a junior he'd have gotten picked by the Jets and would hold a clipboard while Testaverde was getting slaughtered. But as the Beltless Wonder stated above, there's really not one the Bears should take with their pick.
Quote from: Fork on November 13, 2014, 11:42:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 13, 2014, 11:11:30 AM
Quote from: Fork on November 13, 2014, 10:58:17 AM
Also, starting a rebuild with a QB is probably not the best way to go. I'd think start on the line of scrimmage and work outward.
Better protection = more time to set up the play action.
Seriously though...if there was a QB the Bears wanted to build around, at least he could learn the ropes while Cutler runs out his contract - if Peyton Manning had come out as a junior he'd have gotten picked by the Jets and would hold a clipboard while Testaverde was getting slaughtered. But as the Beltless Wonder stated above, there's really not one the Bears should take with their pick.
It all depends on Wes Lunt - if he declares for the draft after his junior year, then you'd want to do whatever it takes to get him in the 2016 draft.
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Also, starting a rebuild with a QB is probably not the best way to go. I'd think start on the line of scrimmage and work outward.
Better protection = more time to set up the play action.
Seriously though...if there was a QB the Bears wanted to build around, at least he could learn the ropes while Cutler runs out his contract - if Peyton Manning had come out as a junior he'd have gotten picked by the Jets and would hold a clipboard while Testaverde was getting slaughtered. But as the Beltless Wonder stated above, there's really not one the Bears should take with their pick.
It all depends on Wes Lunt - if he declares for the draft after his junior year, then you'd want to do whatever it takes to get him in the 2016 draft.
Oh, god. Please don't give RocketsNation another reason to be insufferable
Notwithstanding that this thread is about the draft, in my opinion what we are seeing is not a personnel issue but an attitude issue. No one could watch Sunday night's game without concluding that this is a group that simply quit on its coach, or on each other. Come to think about it, I guess that is a personnel issue.
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Notwithstanding that this thread is about the draft, in my opinion what we are seeing is not a personnel issue but an attitude issue. No one could watch Sunday night's game without concluding that this is a group that simply quit on its coach, or on each other. Come to think about it, I guess that is a personnel issue.
I don't understand how that happens in the era of non-guaranteed contracts. It really only takes one or two guys giving poor effort for it to show up on an entire unit. One guy who looks and sounds like he's over it is Briggs. I hate that I'm going to remember him the way he is now every bit as much as I'll remember how he was in 2005-12. I expect he'll retire after this year and show up every so often to trash the Bears like his good buddy Urlacher does.
Fuck this entire franchise, it's fans, it's history, it's shitty toilet bowl stadium, it's litter box of a playing surface. Fuck the whole idea of it.
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Quote from: CBStew on November 13, 2014, 04:26:26 PM
Notwithstanding that this thread is about the draft, in my opinion what we are seeing is not a personnel issue but an attitude issue. No one could watch Sunday night's game without concluding that this is a group that simply quit on its coach, or on each other. Come to think about it, I guess that is a personnel issue.
I don't understand how that happens in the era of non-guaranteed contracts. It really only takes one or two guys giving poor effort for it to show up on an entire unit. One guy who looks and sounds like he's over it is Briggs. I hate that I'm going to remember him the way he is now every bit as much as I'll remember how he was in 2005-12. I expect he'll retire after this year and show up every so often to trash the Bears like his good buddy Urlacher does.
Fuck this entire franchise, it's fans, it's history, it's shitty toilet bowl stadium, it's litter box of a playing surface. Fuck the whole idea of it.
It sounds like Briggs, Peppers, Tillman, etc. never bought in at all on Tucker and Trestman and in the case of Briggs and Peppers especially the results been a lot of less than stellar effort. Obviously they're probably right about Tucker being bad at his job, but you still can't quit like that.
The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.
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The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.
I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.
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The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.
I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.
Who?
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The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.
I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.
Who?
Andrew Luck and...?
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The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.
I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.
Who?
Andrew Luck and...?
Wilson, Newton, Kaepernick, Dalton, Tebow, McCoy
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The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.
I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.
Who?
Andrew Luck and...?
Wilson.
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The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.
I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.
Who?
Andrew Luck and...?
Wilson.
Yeah. I think Newton is really good, too, but he's absolutely fucked right now behind an offensive line that's sub replacement-level, lack of weapons, no runningbacks, and the tutelage of Mike fucking Shula, but I'd agree that Luck, Newton, and Wilson are about it as far as true franchise caliber guys. Even Wilson's struggled a bit this year with the Seahawks needing him to do more than just hand off 25 times and throw play action passes.
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The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.
I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.
Who?
Andrew Luck and...?
Wilson.
Yeah. I think Newton is really good, too, but he's absolutely fucked right now behind an offensive line that's sub replacement-level, lack of weapons, no runningbacks, and the tutelage of Mike fucking Shula, but I'd agree that Luck, Newton, and Wilson are about it as far as true franchise caliber guys. Even Wilson's struggled a bit this year with the Seahawks needing him to do more than just hand off 25 times and throw play action passes.
I guess Kaepernick has been OK, though they aren't asking him to do very much this year. But overall, it just seems like even if you had the magical ability to draft with perfect hindsight, you wouldn't necessarily be able to get a franchise QB each year. Which is why I can't really get behind the "launch Cutler" bandwagon, as frustrating as he can be.
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The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.
I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.
Who?
Andrew Luck and...?
Wilson.
Yeah. I think Newton is really good, too, but he's absolutely fucked right now behind an offensive line that's sub replacement-level, lack of weapons, no runningbacks, and the tutelage of Mike fucking Shula, but I'd agree that Luck, Newton, and Wilson are about it as far as true franchise caliber guys. Even Wilson's struggled a bit this year with the Seahawks needing him to do more than just hand off 25 times and throw play action passes.
I guess Kaepernick has been OK, though they aren't asking him to do very much this year. But overall, it just seems like even if you had the magical ability to draft with perfect hindsight, you wouldn't necessarily be able to get a franchise QB each year. Which is why I can't really get behind the "launch Cutler" bandwagon, as frustrating as he can be.
I think basically the point for Bears fans is that there is no hope, we will never find one of those quarterbacks like Rodgers who just guarantees you a playoff spot and makes it look effortless, and that in accepting that this world is just a horrifying crucible that prepares us for the eternal damnation to come we can embrace the madness and find comfort in utter insanity in the best Lovecraftian fashion.
Or, alternately, go Cubs.
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The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.
I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.
Who?
Andrew Luck and...?
Wilson.
Yeah. I think Newton is really good, too, but he's absolutely fucked right now behind an offensive line that's sub replacement-level, lack of weapons, no runningbacks, and the tutelage of Mike fucking Shula, but I'd agree that Luck, Newton, and Wilson are about it as far as true franchise caliber guys. Even Wilson's struggled a bit this year with the Seahawks needing him to do more than just hand off 25 times and throw play action passes.
I guess Kaepernick has been OK, though they aren't asking him to do very much this year. But overall, it just seems like even if you had the magical ability to draft with perfect hindsight, you wouldn't necessarily be able to get a franchise QB each year. Which is why I can't really get behind the "launch Cutler" bandwagon, as frustrating as he can be.
I think basically the point for Bears fans is that there is no hope, we will never find one of those quarterbacks like Rodgers who just guarantees you a playoff spot and makes it look effortless, and that in accepting that this world is just a horrifying crucible that prepares us for the eternal damnation to come we can embrace the madness and find comfort in utter insanity in the best Lovecraftian fashion.
Or, alternately, go Cubs.
There's Rodgers, Brady, Manning. Right? Beyond them it's a wasteland of hit and miss (mostly miss) kind of stuff. Yeah there are tiers and people love to debate over the Flaccos and the Cutlers and the Newtons, etc.
But it's those three, then it's a lot of guys who can get it done with help, then it's garbage?
I just think what those top three guys have done for such a long time puts them a cut above. And lamenting the fact that your team doesn't have one seems pretty pointless considering 29 teams don't have one.
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The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.
I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.
Who?
Andrew Luck and...?
Wilson.
Yeah. I think Newton is really good, too, but he's absolutely fucked right now behind an offensive line that's sub replacement-level, lack of weapons, no runningbacks, and the tutelage of Mike fucking Shula, but I'd agree that Luck, Newton, and Wilson are about it as far as true franchise caliber guys. Even Wilson's struggled a bit this year with the Seahawks needing him to do more than just hand off 25 times and throw play action passes.
I guess Kaepernick has been OK, though they aren't asking him to do very much this year. But overall, it just seems like even if you had the magical ability to draft with perfect hindsight, you wouldn't necessarily be able to get a franchise QB each year. Which is why I can't really get behind the "launch Cutler" bandwagon, as frustrating as he can be.
I think basically the point for Bears fans is that there is no hope, we will never find one of those quarterbacks like Rodgers who just guarantees you a playoff spot and makes it look effortless, and that in accepting that this world is just a horrifying crucible that prepares us for the eternal damnation to come we can embrace the madness and find comfort in utter insanity in the best Lovecraftian fashion.
Or, alternately, go Cubs.
"In The Mountains of Madness" would work on film. They just have to find a way to bring those etchings to life and scare the living shit out of every man, woman and child on the planet. The problem, I guess is that we know exactly what the terrain looks like even in the most remote god awful parts of the world. So it's maybe too late. Fuck.
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The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.
I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.
Who?
Andrew Luck and...?
Wilson.
Yeah. I think Newton is really good, too, but he's absolutely fucked right now behind an offensive line that's sub replacement-level, lack of weapons, no runningbacks, and the tutelage of Mike fucking Shula, but I'd agree that Luck, Newton, and Wilson are about it as far as true franchise caliber guys. Even Wilson's struggled a bit this year with the Seahawks needing him to do more than just hand off 25 times and throw play action passes.
I guess Kaepernick has been OK, though they aren't asking him to do very much this year. But overall, it just seems like even if you had the magical ability to draft with perfect hindsight, you wouldn't necessarily be able to get a franchise QB each year. Which is why I can't really get behind the "launch Cutler" bandwagon, as frustrating as he can be.
I think basically the point for Bears fans is that there is no hope, we will never find one of those quarterbacks like Rodgers who just guarantees you a playoff spot and makes it look effortless, and that in accepting that this world is just a horrifying crucible that prepares us for the eternal damnation to come we can embrace the madness and find comfort in utter insanity in the best Lovecraftian fashion.
Or, alternately, go Cubs.
There's Rodgers, Brady, Manning. Right? Beyond them it's a wasteland of hit and miss (mostly miss) kind of stuff. Yeah there are tiers and people love to debate over the Flaccos and the Cutlers and the Newtons, etc.
But it's those three, then it's a lot of guys who can get it done with help, then it's garbage?
I just think what those top three guys have done for such a long time puts them a cut above. And lamenting the fact that your team doesn't have one seems pretty pointless considering 29 teams don't have one.
I was tempted to add Breesus to that (and a case can be made), but under those 3, when they were the full-time starter (and uninjured), they've missed a total of 3 playoffs in 33 collective years and Brees has missed just as many (in his NO time)
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The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.
I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.
Who?
Andrew Luck and...?
Wilson.
Yeah. I think Newton is really good, too, but he's absolutely fucked right now behind an offensive line that's sub replacement-level, lack of weapons, no runningbacks, and the tutelage of Mike fucking Shula, but I'd agree that Luck, Newton, and Wilson are about it as far as true franchise caliber guys. Even Wilson's struggled a bit this year with the Seahawks needing him to do more than just hand off 25 times and throw play action passes.
I guess Kaepernick has been OK, though they aren't asking him to do very much this year. But overall, it just seems like even if you had the magical ability to draft with perfect hindsight, you wouldn't necessarily be able to get a franchise QB each year. Which is why I can't really get behind the "launch Cutler" bandwagon, as frustrating as he can be.
I think basically the point for Bears fans is that there is no hope, we will never find one of those quarterbacks like Rodgers who just guarantees you a playoff spot and makes it look effortless, and that in accepting that this world is just a horrifying crucible that prepares us for the eternal damnation to come we can embrace the madness and find comfort in utter insanity in the best Lovecraftian fashion.
Or, alternately, go Cubs.
There's Rodgers, Brady, Manning. Right? Beyond them it's a wasteland of hit and miss (mostly miss) kind of stuff. Yeah there are tiers and people love to debate over the Flaccos and the Cutlers and the Newtons, etc.
But it's those three, then it's a lot of guys who can get it done with help, then it's garbage?
I just think what those top three guys have done for such a long time puts them a cut above. And lamenting the fact that your team doesn't have one seems pretty pointless considering 29 teams don't have one.
The argument for getting rid of Cutler, when made intelligently, isn't so much that you like your odds of finding someone better so much as you like your odds of finding someone who can provide similar production on one of those wonderful rookie contracts where you have 3-4 years of building a better team around said QB while he makes basically nothing before you have to pay him and end up in the same shitty tier as everyone else paying those 6-14 quarterbacks the same amount as the 1-5 guys. But even with that the odds of finding even a replacement Cutler are not very good.
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The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.
I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.
Who?
Andrew Luck and...?
Wilson.
Yeah. I think Newton is really good, too, but he's absolutely fucked right now behind an offensive line that's sub replacement-level, lack of weapons, no runningbacks, and the tutelage of Mike fucking Shula, but I'd agree that Luck, Newton, and Wilson are about it as far as true franchise caliber guys. Even Wilson's struggled a bit this year with the Seahawks needing him to do more than just hand off 25 times and throw play action passes.
I guess Kaepernick has been OK, though they aren't asking him to do very much this year. But overall, it just seems like even if you had the magical ability to draft with perfect hindsight, you wouldn't necessarily be able to get a franchise QB each year. Which is why I can't really get behind the "launch Cutler" bandwagon, as frustrating as he can be.
I think basically the point for Bears fans is that there is no hope, we will never find one of those quarterbacks like Rodgers who just guarantees you a playoff spot and makes it look effortless, and that in accepting that this world is just a horrifying crucible that prepares us for the eternal damnation to come we can embrace the madness and find comfort in utter insanity in the best Lovecraftian fashion.
Or, alternately, go Cubs.
There's Rodgers, Brady, Manning. Right? Beyond them it's a wasteland of hit and miss (mostly miss) kind of stuff. Yeah there are tiers and people love to debate over the Flaccos and the Cutlers and the Newtons, etc.
But it's those three, then it's a lot of guys who can get it done with help, then it's garbage?
I just think what those top three guys have done for such a long time puts them a cut above. And lamenting the fact that your team doesn't have one seems pretty pointless considering 29 teams don't have one.
I was tempted to add Breesus to that (and a case can be made), but under those 3, when they were the full-time starter (and uninjured), they've missed a total of 3 playoffs in 33 collective years and Brees has missed just as many (in his NO time)
Yeah. Breesus is a rich man's Cutler. You give him ideal conditions and he will do wonderful things, but let his protection start to slip and his run game stumble and you get lots of awful, awful INTs. Breesus has at least 7 years where he's thrown 15 or more INTs, whereas Brady's never gone over 14, Rodgers career high is 13 (in his first year starting, he's had ONE double-digit INT season since then, and it was only 11), and Peyton has only had one 15 or more INT season in his last ten.
Even in his better years he had the occasional clunker against the Browns or the Mack Saul-led Cardinals. At his best he's definitely close to that Rodgers-Manning-Brady zone but he's far more prone to mistakes and collapses than those guys.
Before Pen protests Roethlisberger's also really fucking good and has pretty much singlehandedly kept the Steelers from being basement dwellers the last few years, but fuck him.
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Before Pen protests Roethlisberger's also really fucking good and has pretty much singlehandedly kept the Steelers from being basement dwellers the last few years, but fuck him.
He's not on the list with Rogers, Brady and Manning, but the second someone tries to extend that list to include Brees, you have to include Ben.
#WarmTake
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Before Pen protests Roethlisberger's also really fucking good and has pretty much singlehandedly kept the Steelers from being basement dwellers the last few years, but fuck him.
He's not on the list with Rogers, Brady and Manning, but the second someone tries to extend that list to include Brees, you have to include Ben.
#WarmTake
Tried to hijack the thread toward Cthulu porn but have been denied apparently. And we're right fucking here again.
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Before Pen protests Roethlisberger's also really fucking good and has pretty much singlehandedly kept the Steelers from being basement dwellers the last few years, but fuck him.
He's not on the list with Rogers, Brady and Manning, but the second someone tries to extend that list to include Brees, you have to include Ben.
#WarmTake
Luck has got to be pretty close to the Brees-Roethlisberger group, no?
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Before Pen protests Roethlisberger's also really fucking good and has pretty much singlehandedly kept the Steelers from being basement dwellers the last few years, but fuck him.
He's not on the list with Rogers, Brady and Manning, but the second someone tries to extend that list to include Brees, you have to include Ben.
#WarmTake
Luck has got to be pretty close to the Brees-Roethlisberger group, no?
Depends. He hasn't got the body of work to back it up yet. But in my opinion he's headed that direction with or without a Super Bowl ring.
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Before Pen protests Roethlisberger's also really fucking good and has pretty much singlehandedly kept the Steelers from being basement dwellers the last few years, but fuck him.
He's not on the list with Rogers, Brady and Manning, but the second someone tries to extend that list to include Brees, you have to include Ben.
#WarmTake
Luck has got to be pretty close to the Brees-Roethlisberger group, no?
Depends. He hasn't got the body of work to back it up yet. But in my opinion he's headed that direction with or without a Super Bowl ring.
Once Pep Hamilton figured out that his best strategy was to try using Luck more than Trent Richardson he really took off. Shocking.
So, about 15th and stuck in NFL hell?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 24, 2014, 09:32:50 AM
So, about 15th and stuck in NFL hell?
A friend and I used to talk about this a lot a long time ago but the argument was that finishing with 6-8 wins every year - even 9 wins and getting blasted in the first round - is far worse than finishing 3-13.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 24, 2014, 09:32:50 AM
So, about 15th and stuck in NFL hell?
A friend and I used to talk about this a lot a long time ago but the argument was that finishing with 6-8 wins every year - even 9 wins and getting blasted in the first round - is far worse than finishing 3-13.
This assumes that you have a group capable of pushing the right buttons on draft day. You could end up with a top 5 pick every year like the Jags and Raiders and still continue to be the Jags and Raiders. That the Bears continue to be the Bears has far less to do with where they're picking than who they're picking. I don't know how long (how many more tears) until we're out from under Angelo's atrocious drafts. We need more time to evaluate most of Emery's, though I think the bill for 2012 is just about due.
Here's my real concern: The defense was supposed to make a quantum leap this year based upon improvements to the D-Line and that's not apparent. If it's performance can be classified as such based upon the near handful of games that weren't partial-birth abortions, then so be it. But the improvement on the D-Line in those games has been led by guys like Allen, Ratliff and Paea - older guys who should not be counted on much past 2015. What else does this defense have going for it? Kyle Fuller? Ok. He seems competent enough. But they are about to be in the exact same position with this unit every year unless a lot more of those picks are hits.
And by the way, the offensive line has been noticeably weaker this year. Bushrod is getting turnstyled, the right tackle position is a mystery. Slauson can't stay healthy. Garza is 50 years old.
FUCK! Draft 1st or draft 15th. You need to hit up and down the board no matter what. They are not a single difference-maker on either side of the ball away from being a Super Bowl contender. So they might as well go ahead and drop turds in as many punch bowls as they can - starting most importantly with the fucking Lions on Thursday.
Because it doesn't fucking matter anymore.
I'm just going to root for them to win every game. Fuck everything else.
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I'm just going to root for them to win every game. Fuck everything else.
I don't know if 10-6 makes it, but it's worth a shot.
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I'm just going to root for them to win every game. Fuck everything else.
Pretty much. A late season run where the offense looks like it's 2013 self and scores a lot of points would be nice, giving us all a meager amount of false hope that with another draft/free agency period to load up on defense they could field a more complete team in 2015. I don't think there's a great option anywhere we look.
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So, about 15th and stuck in NFL hell?
A friend and I used to talk about this a lot a long time ago but the argument was that finishing with 6-8 wins every year - even 9 wins and getting blasted in the first round - is far worse than finishing 3-13.
This assumes that you have a group capable of pushing the right buttons on draft day. You could end up with a top 5 pick every year like the Jags and Raiders and still continue to be the Jags and Raiders. That the Bears continue to be the Bears has far less to do with where they're picking than who they're picking. I don't know how long (how many more tears) until we're out from under Angelo's atrocious drafts. We need more time to evaluate most of Emery's, though I think the bill for 2012 is just about due.
Here's my real concern: The defense was supposed to make a quantum leap this year based upon improvements to the D-Line and that's not apparent. If it's performance can be classified as such based upon the near handful of games that weren't partial-birth abortions, then so be it. But the improvement on the D-Line in those games has been led by guys like Allen, Ratliff and Paea - older guys who should not be counted on much past 2015. What else does this defense have going for it? Kyle Fuller? Ok. He seems competent enough. But they are about to be in the exact same position with this unit every year unless a lot more of those picks are hits.
And by the way, the offensive line has been noticeably weaker this year. Bushrod is getting turnstyled, the right tackle position is a mystery. Slauson can't stay healthy. Garza is 50 years old.
FUCK! Draft 1st or draft 15th. You need to hit up and down the board no matter what. They are not a single difference-maker on either side of the ball away from being a Super Bowl contender. So they might as well go ahead and drop turds in as many punch bowls as they can - starting most importantly with the fucking Lions on Thursday.
Because it doesn't fucking matter anymore.
I wish I had more than a morbid curiosity in the Bears to think this much about them. They basically exist as a foil to the Packers never ending excellence. Exactly the way we always wanted it to be.
Kevin Seifert of ESPN tweeted that Jay's passes traveled an average of 3.85 yards in the air on Sunday and I don't really have anything to say about that other than fuck you, Trestman
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 10:24:38 AM
Kevin Seifert of ESPN tweeted that Jay's passes traveled an average of 3.85 yards in the air on Sunday and I don't really have anything to say about that other than fuck you, Trestman
No picks. Trestman doesn't trust Cutler. Hard to blame him.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 10:42:07 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 10:24:38 AM
Kevin Seifert of ESPN tweeted that Jay's passes traveled an average of 3.85 yards in the air on Sunday and I don't really have anything to say about that other than fuck you, Trestman
No picks. Trestman doesn't trust Cutler. Hard to blame him.
It wasn't just Cutler he didn't trust. Jay was getting hit early and often in that first half.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 10:42:07 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 10:24:38 AM
Kevin Seifert of ESPN tweeted that Jay's passes traveled an average of 3.85 yards in the air on Sunday and I don't really have anything to say about that other than fuck you, Trestman
No picks. Trestman doesn't trust Cutler. Hard to blame him.
Hey, here's an idea, if you don't trust Jay Cutler to run your offense don't give your GM your endorsement of signing him to a fifty four million dollar contract extension. It's not like it's a fucking surprise that Jay takes risks. He also makes plays.
Quote from: InternetApex on November 25, 2014, 10:57:08 AM
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Kevin Seifert of ESPN tweeted that Jay's passes traveled an average of 3.85 yards in the air on Sunday and I don't really have anything to say about that other than fuck you, Trestman
No picks. Trestman doesn't trust Cutler. Hard to blame him.
It wasn't just Cutler he didn't trust. Jay was getting hit early and often in that first half.
I've seen Jay take worse beatings and be more productive with less talent around him. 3.85 is fucking sub-Shoop. Work around the pressure. Get him outside the pocket. The Bucs were 30th in defense. I don't care how much pressure they got early, find a fucking way to throw the ball if you're that smart.
Also if the "he doesn't trust Cutler" excuse is true why'd he have Jay throw it 41 plus times, many times downfield, last week against a Vikings defense that was statistically better than Tampa in everyway? Pretty sure Trestman's just shitty.
The most amazing thing to me about how poor a job Marc Trestman has done is that he's been a head coach before. Yes, the CFL is different, but is it THAT different? Don't the people skills it takes to manage CFL players pretty similar to managing NFL players? Are the players in the NFL that much more of divas than the guys in the CFL? Marc's apparent inability to manage a locker room makes it appear he's never been around pro football players.
Very surprising to me.
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
Also if the "he doesn't trust Cutler" excuse is true why'd he have Jay throw it 41 plus times, many times downfield, last week against a Vikings defense that was statistically better than Tampa in everyway? Pretty sure Trestman's just shitty.
My guess is he was coaching to avoid the picks like Cutler threw last week. And he's also stupid.
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
Also if the "he doesn't trust Cutler" excuse is true why'd he have Jay throw it 41 plus times, many times downfield, last week against a Vikings defense that was statistically better than Tampa in everyway? Pretty sure Trestman's just shitty.
I'm not sure if this is a new rule, but feel free to gather
all your thoughts and
then post.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 11:30:53 AM
The most amazing thing to me about how poor a job Marc Trestman has done is that he's been a head coach before. Yes, the CFL is different, but is it THAT different? Don't the people skills it takes to manage CFL players pretty similar to managing NFL players? Are the players in the NFL that much more of divas than the guys in the CFL? Marc's apparent inability to manage a locker room makes it appear he's never been around pro football players.
Very surprising to me.
Just because a guy's done a job before doesn't mean he's good at it.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
Also if the "he doesn't trust Cutler" excuse is true why'd he have Jay throw it 41 plus times, many times downfield, last week against a Vikings defense that was statistically better than Tampa in everyway? Pretty sure Trestman's just shitty.
I'm not sure if this is a new rule, but feel free to gather all your thoughts and then post.
Confused Pen strikes again.
Quote from: Slaky on November 25, 2014, 12:20:58 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
Also if the "he doesn't trust Cutler" excuse is true why'd he have Jay throw it 41 plus times, many times downfield, last week against a Vikings defense that was statistically better than Tampa in everyway? Pretty sure Trestman's just shitty.
I'm not sure if this is a new rule, but feel free to gather all your thoughts and then post.
Confused Pen strikes again.
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Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
Also if the "he doesn't trust Cutler" excuse is true why'd he have Jay throw it 41 plus times, many times downfield, last week against a Vikings defense that was statistically better than Tampa in everyway? Pretty sure Trestman's just shitty.
I'm not sure if this is a new rule, but feel free to gather all your thoughts and then post.
Sometimes the takes come hot and heavy and I just keep spitting them out.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
Also if the "he doesn't trust Cutler" excuse is true why'd he have Jay throw it 41 plus times, many times downfield, last week against a Vikings defense that was statistically better than Tampa in everyway? Pretty sure Trestman's just shitty.
I'm not sure if this is a new rule, but feel free to gather all your thoughts and then post.
and fuck you.
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 12:42:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
Also if the "he doesn't trust Cutler" excuse is true why'd he have Jay throw it 41 plus times, many times downfield, last week against a Vikings defense that was statistically better than Tampa in everyway? Pretty sure Trestman's just shitty.
I'm not sure if this is a new rule, but feel free to gather all your thoughts and then post.
Sometimes the takes come hot and heavy and I just keep spitting them out.
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Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 12:42:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
Also if the "he doesn't trust Cutler" excuse is true why'd he have Jay throw it 41 plus times, many times downfield, last week against a Vikings defense that was statistically better than Tampa in everyway? Pretty sure Trestman's just shitty.
I'm not sure if this is a new rule, but feel free to gather all your thoughts and then post.
and fuck you.
That's the holiday spirit I was looking for.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 12:42:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
Also if the "he doesn't trust Cutler" excuse is true why'd he have Jay throw it 41 plus times, many times downfield, last week against a Vikings defense that was statistically better than Tampa in everyway? Pretty sure Trestman's just shitty.
I'm not sure if this is a new rule, but feel free to gather all your thoughts and then post.
and fuck you.
That's the holiday spirit I was looking for.
I hope that leaves the taste of your free-range, vegan-fed turkey like ashes in your mouth.
Quote from: Fork on November 25, 2014, 12:19:01 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 11:30:53 AM
The most amazing thing to me about how poor a job Marc Trestman has done is that he's been a head coach before. Yes, the CFL is different, but is it THAT different? Don't the people skills it takes to manage CFL players pretty similar to managing NFL players? Are the players in the NFL that much more of divas than the guys in the CFL? Marc's apparent inability to manage a locker room makes it appear he's never been around pro football players.
Very surprising to me.
Just because a guy's done a job before doesn't mean he's good at it.
He won twice. That's more than Barry Switzer.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 01:17:54 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 25, 2014, 12:19:01 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 11:30:53 AM
The most amazing thing to me about how poor a job Marc Trestman has done is that he's been a head coach before. Yes, the CFL is different, but is it THAT different? Don't the people skills it takes to manage CFL players pretty similar to managing NFL players? Are the players in the NFL that much more of divas than the guys in the CFL? Marc's apparent inability to manage a locker room makes it appear he's never been around pro football players.
Very surprising to me.
Just because a guy's done a job before doesn't mean he's good at it.
He won twice. That's more than Barry Switzer.
If you're counting Grey Cup wins shouldn't Switzer's national titles at Oklahoma count? I'm not sure what the exchange rate is.
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 12:49:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 12:42:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
Also if the "he doesn't trust Cutler" excuse is true why'd he have Jay throw it 41 plus times, many times downfield, last week against a Vikings defense that was statistically better than Tampa in everyway? Pretty sure Trestman's just shitty.
I'm not sure if this is a new rule, but feel free to gather all your thoughts and then post.
and fuck you.
That's the holiday spirit I was looking for.
I hope that leaves the taste of your free-range, vegan-fed turkey like ashes in your mouth.
You're welcome to stop by.
(http://www.freshandeasy.com/media/953532/diestel_turkey.jpg)
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 01:48:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 12:49:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 12:42:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
Also if the "he doesn't trust Cutler" excuse is true why'd he have Jay throw it 41 plus times, many times downfield, last week against a Vikings defense that was statistically better than Tampa in everyway? Pretty sure Trestman's just shitty.
I'm not sure if this is a new rule, but feel free to gather all your thoughts and then post.
and fuck you.
That's the holiday spirit I was looking for.
I hope that leaves the taste of your free-range, vegan-fed turkey like ashes in your mouth.
You're welcome to stop by.
(http://www.freshandeasy.com/media/953532/diestel_turkey.jpg)
Do you usually do the prayer in memory of the slain elk before or after the appetizers?
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 12:49:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 12:42:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
Also if the "he doesn't trust Cutler" excuse is true why'd he have Jay throw it 41 plus times, many times downfield, last week against a Vikings defense that was statistically better than Tampa in everyway? Pretty sure Trestman's just shitty.
I'm not sure if this is a new rule, but feel free to gather all your thoughts and then post.
and fuck you.
That's the holiday spirit I was looking for.
I hope that leaves the taste of your free-range, vegan-fed turkey like ashes in your mouth.
Actually, turkeys would ideally also eat grubs and other insects and not exclusively be vegan-fed so way to be an idiot.
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 01:53:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 01:48:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 12:49:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 12:42:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
Also if the "he doesn't trust Cutler" excuse is true why'd he have Jay throw it 41 plus times, many times downfield, last week against a Vikings defense that was statistically better than Tampa in everyway? Pretty sure Trestman's just shitty.
I'm not sure if this is a new rule, but feel free to gather all your thoughts and then post.
and fuck you.
That's the holiday spirit I was looking for.
I hope that leaves the taste of your free-range, vegan-fed turkey like ashes in your mouth.
You're welcome to stop by.
(http://www.freshandeasy.com/media/953532/diestel_turkey.jpg)
Do you usually do the prayer in memory of the slain elk before or after the appetizers?
I'm glad the transformation to Fork is now complete.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 02:29:09 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 01:53:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 01:48:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 12:49:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 12:42:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
Also if the "he doesn't trust Cutler" excuse is true why'd he have Jay throw it 41 plus times, many times downfield, last week against a Vikings defense that was statistically better than Tampa in everyway? Pretty sure Trestman's just shitty.
I'm not sure if this is a new rule, but feel free to gather all your thoughts and then post.
and fuck you.
That's the holiday spirit I was looking for.
I hope that leaves the taste of your free-range, vegan-fed turkey like ashes in your mouth.
You're welcome to stop by.
(http://www.freshandeasy.com/media/953532/diestel_turkey.jpg)
Do you usually do the prayer in memory of the slain elk before or after the appetizers?
I'm glad the transformation to Fork is now complete.
Ouch.
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 01:17:54 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 25, 2014, 12:19:01 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 11:30:53 AM
The most amazing thing to me about how poor a job Marc Trestman has done is that he's been a head coach before. Yes, the CFL is different, but is it THAT different? Don't the people skills it takes to manage CFL players pretty similar to managing NFL players? Are the players in the NFL that much more of divas than the guys in the CFL? Marc's apparent inability to manage a locker room makes it appear he's never been around pro football players.
Very surprising to me.
Just because a guy's done a job before doesn't mean he's good at it.
He won twice. That's more than Barry Switzer.
If you're counting Grey Cup wins shouldn't Switzer's national titles at Oklahoma count? I'm not sure what the exchange rate is.
Oklahoma never had a salary cap.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 02:39:29 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 01:17:54 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 25, 2014, 12:19:01 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 11:30:53 AM
The most amazing thing to me about how poor a job Marc Trestman has done is that he's been a head coach before. Yes, the CFL is different, but is it THAT different? Don't the people skills it takes to manage CFL players pretty similar to managing NFL players? Are the players in the NFL that much more of divas than the guys in the CFL? Marc's apparent inability to manage a locker room makes it appear he's never been around pro football players.
Very surprising to me.
Just because a guy's done a job before doesn't mean he's good at it.
He won twice. That's more than Barry Switzer.
If you're counting Grey Cup wins shouldn't Switzer's national titles at Oklahoma count? I'm not sure what the exchange rate is.
Oklahoma never had a salary cap.
this is like the weirdest Chuck thing you've ever done and I have no idea why you are doing it.
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 02:40:13 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 02:39:29 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 01:17:54 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 25, 2014, 12:19:01 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 11:30:53 AM
The most amazing thing to me about how poor a job Marc Trestman has done is that he's been a head coach before. Yes, the CFL is different, but is it THAT different? Don't the people skills it takes to manage CFL players pretty similar to managing NFL players? Are the players in the NFL that much more of divas than the guys in the CFL? Marc's apparent inability to manage a locker room makes it appear he's never been around pro football players.
Very surprising to me.
Just because a guy's done a job before doesn't mean he's good at it.
He won twice. That's more than Barry Switzer.
If you're counting Grey Cup wins shouldn't Switzer's national titles at Oklahoma count? I'm not sure what the exchange rate is.
Oklahoma never had a salary cap.
this is like the weirdest Chuck thing you've ever done and I have no idea why you are doing it.
BECAUSE YOU KEEP REPLYING
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 02:29:09 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 01:53:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 01:48:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 12:49:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 12:42:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2014, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
Also if the "he doesn't trust Cutler" excuse is true why'd he have Jay throw it 41 plus times, many times downfield, last week against a Vikings defense that was statistically better than Tampa in everyway? Pretty sure Trestman's just shitty.
I'm not sure if this is a new rule, but feel free to gather all your thoughts and then post.
and fuck you.
That's the holiday spirit I was looking for.
I hope that leaves the taste of your free-range, vegan-fed turkey like ashes in your mouth.
You're welcome to stop by.
(http://www.freshandeasy.com/media/953532/diestel_turkey.jpg)
Do you usually do the prayer in memory of the slain elk before or after the appetizers?
I'm glad the transformation to Fork is now complete.
A chip off the old block.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 11:30:53 AM
The most amazing thing to me about how poor a job Marc Trestman has done is that he's been a head coach before. Yes, the CFL is different, but is it THAT different? Don't the people skills it takes to manage CFL players pretty similar to managing NFL players? Are the players in the NFL that much more of divas than the guys in the CFL? Marc's apparent inability to manage a locker room makes it appear he's never been around pro football players.
Very surprising to me.
I'm...
with Chuck?...on this one.
I honestly felt the hiring of Trestman was inspired at the time, and the stint in Canada would've filled some sort of "leadership credbility" gap which, when wedded to his skills as an offensive innovator, meant he came across the Bears at the right time, but obviously this hasn't been the case.
SKO--I never want to hear about Canadia football
again.
Quote from: PANK! on November 25, 2014, 06:19:10 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 11:30:53 AM
The most amazing thing to me about how poor a job Marc Trestman has done is that he's been a head coach before. Yes, the CFL is different, but is it THAT different? Don't the people skills it takes to manage CFL players pretty similar to managing NFL players? Are the players in the NFL that much more of divas than the guys in the CFL? Marc's apparent inability to manage a locker room makes it appear he's never been around pro football players.
Very surprising to me.
I'm...with Chuck?...on this one.
I honestly felt the hiring of Trestman was inspired at the time, and the stint in Canada would've filled some sort of "leadership credbility" gap which, when wedded to his skills as an offensive innovator, meant he came across the Bears at the right time, but obviously this hasn't been the case.
SKO--I never want to hear about Canadia football again.
I don't know what would make anybody think that managing guys who make an average of $80,000 a year to play in front of 25,000 people would be in any way similar to the egos and personalities in the NFL. Is that what Chuck is saying and someone else is touching with a 10 foot pole?
Quote from: InternetApex on November 25, 2014, 10:51:03 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 25, 2014, 06:19:10 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 11:30:53 AM
The most amazing thing to me about how poor a job Marc Trestman has done is that he's been a head coach before. Yes, the CFL is different, but is it THAT different? Don't the people skills it takes to manage CFL players pretty similar to managing NFL players? Are the players in the NFL that much more of divas than the guys in the CFL? Marc's apparent inability to manage a locker room makes it appear he's never been around pro football players.
Very surprising to me.
I'm...with Chuck?...on this one.
I honestly felt the hiring of Trestman was inspired at the time, and the stint in Canada would've filled some sort of "leadership credbility" gap which, when wedded to his skills as an offensive innovator, meant he came across the Bears at the right time, but obviously this hasn't been the case.
SKO--I never want to hear about Canadia football again.
I don't know what would make anybody think that managing guys who make an average of $80,000 a year to play in front of 25,000 people would be in any way similar to the egos and personalities in the NFL. Is that what Chuck is saying and someone else is touching with a 10 foot pole?
Didn't we witness a similar scenario 90 miles east of here 30 years ago?
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Quote from: PANK! on November 25, 2014, 06:19:10 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 11:30:53 AM
The most amazing thing to me about how poor a job Marc Trestman has done is that he's been a head coach before. Yes, the CFL is different, but is it THAT different? Don't the people skills it takes to manage CFL players pretty similar to managing NFL players? Are the players in the NFL that much more of divas than the guys in the CFL? Marc's apparent inability to manage a locker room makes it appear he's never been around pro football players.
Very surprising to me.
I'm...with Chuck?...on this one.
I honestly felt the hiring of Trestman was inspired at the time, and the stint in Canada would've filled some sort of "leadership credbility" gap which, when wedded to his skills as an offensive innovator, meant he came across the Bears at the right time, but obviously this hasn't been the case.
SKO--I never want to hear about Canadia football again.
For the record, my occasional "bored as hell in the summer" viewing of the CFL did not mean I bought that Trestman's head coaching experience there meant much for down here. He was going to sink or swim based on his offensive scheme, which last year seemed not only effective but based on sound, fundamental principles. This year I see him way too scared to run his bread and butter plays (and this includes running Forte early and often, not just letting Jay throw it downfield) and relying instead on constraint plays. There've been plenty of hopeless WR screens, quick hits, and various other plays that rely on an abundance of YAC. Those really only work when you have a defense that is cheating by playing back off of the ball to prevent deep passes. If you're not threatening people deep you can't move the ball against them in the short passing game. Trestman's just lost his edge. It's sadly not that unusual, apparently, as the biggest knocks I heard about him when he was hired were that he overthinks things and that he had a tendency as an OC to freeze up in big moments.
Quote from: SKO on November 26, 2014, 08:22:09 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 25, 2014, 06:19:10 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 11:30:53 AM
The most amazing thing to me about how poor a job Marc Trestman has done is that he's been a head coach before. Yes, the CFL is different, but is it THAT different? Don't the people skills it takes to manage CFL players pretty similar to managing NFL players? Are the players in the NFL that much more of divas than the guys in the CFL? Marc's apparent inability to manage a locker room makes it appear he's never been around pro football players.
Very surprising to me.
I'm...with Chuck?...on this one.
I honestly felt the hiring of Trestman was inspired at the time, and the stint in Canada would've filled some sort of "leadership credbility" gap which, when wedded to his skills as an offensive innovator, meant he came across the Bears at the right time, but obviously this hasn't been the case.
SKO--I never want to hear about Canadia football again.
For the record, my occasional "bored as hell in the summer" viewing of the CFL did not mean I bought that Trestman's head coaching experience there meant much for down here. He was going to sink or swim based on his offensive scheme, which last year seemed not only effective but based on sound, fundamental principles. This year I see him way too scared to run his bread and butter plays (and this includes running Forte early and often, not just letting Jay throw it downfield) and relying instead on constraint plays. There've been plenty of hopeless WR screens, quick hits, and various other plays that rely on an abundance of YAC. Those really only work when you have a defense that is cheating by playing back off of the ball to prevent deep passes. If you're not threatening people deep you can't move the ball against them in the short passing game. Trestman's just lost his edge. It's sadly not that unusual, apparently, as the biggest knocks I heard about him when he was hired were that he overthinks things and that he had a tendency as an OC to freeze up in big moments.
It kind of has the sound of Gary Crowton to me. Maybe. Seems the NFL has figured him out?
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Quote from: PANK! on November 25, 2014, 06:19:10 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 11:30:53 AM
The most amazing thing to me about how poor a job Marc Trestman has done is that he's been a head coach before. Yes, the CFL is different, but is it THAT different? Don't the people skills it takes to manage CFL players pretty similar to managing NFL players? Are the players in the NFL that much more of divas than the guys in the CFL? Marc's apparent inability to manage a locker room makes it appear he's never been around pro football players.
Very surprising to me.
I'm...with Chuck?...on this one.
I honestly felt the hiring of Trestman was inspired at the time, and the stint in Canada would've filled some sort of "leadership credbility" gap which, when wedded to his skills as an offensive innovator, meant he came across the Bears at the right time, but obviously this hasn't been the case.
SKO--I never want to hear about Canadia football again.
For the record, my occasional "bored as hell in the summer" viewing of the CFL did not mean I bought that Trestman's head coaching experience there meant much for down here. He was going to sink or swim based on his offensive scheme, which last year seemed not only effective but based on sound, fundamental principles. This year I see him way too scared to run his bread and butter plays (and this includes running Forte early and often, not just letting Jay throw it downfield) and relying instead on constraint plays. There've been plenty of hopeless WR screens, quick hits, and various other plays that rely on an abundance of YAC. Those really only work when you have a defense that is cheating by playing back off of the ball to prevent deep passes. If you're not threatening people deep you can't move the ball against them in the short passing game. Trestman's just lost his edge. It's sadly not that unusual, apparently, as the biggest knocks I heard about him when he was hired were that he overthinks things and that he had a tendency as an OC to freeze up in big moments.
It kind of has the sound of Gary Crowton to me. Maybe. Seems the NFL has figured him out?
It does look very Crowton 2000-esque this year, but that's what threw me to begin with. Trestman last year didn't really run anything gimmicky (unless you consider packaged plays gimmicky, which I don't, and they've been noticeably absent this year despite being very successful last year). Mostly just straight-forward, drop back and pass West Coast stuff, and the zone blocking scheme Kromer introduced really made them look great in the run game. He did some innovative stuff to get guys open downfield but still, nothing gimmicky. This year he's been a lot more about trying to steal "easy yards" that just aren't there than just, say, playing 11 on 11 and picking a man.
Crowton in 1999 took the NFL by storm by introducing the WR screen and stuff, but once teams figured out his teams couldn't beat you deep if you just sat on those, he was fucked. Trestman beat a bunch of teams deep and now has seemingly abandoned it in lieu of trying Crowton-level bullshit at times.
Quote from: SKO on November 26, 2014, 12:17:00 PM
Quote from: Oleg on November 26, 2014, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 26, 2014, 08:22:09 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 25, 2014, 06:19:10 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 11:30:53 AM
The most amazing thing to me about how poor a job Marc Trestman has done is that he's been a head coach before. Yes, the CFL is different, but is it THAT different? Don't the people skills it takes to manage CFL players pretty similar to managing NFL players? Are the players in the NFL that much more of divas than the guys in the CFL? Marc's apparent inability to manage a locker room makes it appear he's never been around pro football players.
Very surprising to me.
I'm...with Chuck?...on this one.
I honestly felt the hiring of Trestman was inspired at the time, and the stint in Canada would've filled some sort of "leadership credbility" gap which, when wedded to his skills as an offensive innovator, meant he came across the Bears at the right time, but obviously this hasn't been the case.
SKO--I never want to hear about Canadia football again.
For the record, my occasional "bored as hell in the summer" viewing of the CFL did not mean I bought that Trestman's head coaching experience there meant much for down here. He was going to sink or swim based on his offensive scheme, which last year seemed not only effective but based on sound, fundamental principles. This year I see him way too scared to run his bread and butter plays (and this includes running Forte early and often, not just letting Jay throw it downfield) and relying instead on constraint plays. There've been plenty of hopeless WR screens, quick hits, and various other plays that rely on an abundance of YAC. Those really only work when you have a defense that is cheating by playing back off of the ball to prevent deep passes. If you're not threatening people deep you can't move the ball against them in the short passing game. Trestman's just lost his edge. It's sadly not that unusual, apparently, as the biggest knocks I heard about him when he was hired were that he overthinks things and that he had a tendency as an OC to freeze up in big moments.
It kind of has the sound of Gary Crowton to me. Maybe. Seems the NFL has figured him out?
It does look very Crowton 2000-esque this year, but that's what threw me to begin with. Trestman last year didn't really run anything gimmicky (unless you consider packaged plays gimmicky, which I don't, and they've been noticeably absent this year despite being very successful last year). Mostly just straight-forward, drop back and pass West Coast stuff, and the zone blocking scheme Kromer introduced really made them look great in the run game. He did some innovative stuff to get guys open downfield but still, nothing gimmicky. This year he's been a lot more about trying to steal "easy yards" that just aren't there than just, say, playing 11 on 11 and picking a man.
Crowton in 1999 took the NFL by storm by introducing the WR screen and stuff, but once teams figured out his teams couldn't beat you deep if you just sat on those, he was fucked. Trestman beat a bunch of teams deep and now has seemingly abandoned it in lieu of trying Crowton-level bullshit at times.
Fuck you, Pen, I'm posting again.
but basically, the thing that pisses me off about the NFL "figuring Trestman out" is that it implies that last year he tried a bunch of sneaky shit and got away with it when really he didn't. Most of his scheme was just basic fundamentals using the size of his receivers to take advantage of matchups downfield. This year he seems reluctant to ever use Alshon or Brandon like the man-monsters they were last year. I can't remember the last back-shoulder throw. Hell I can't remember the last goddamn slant route.
Quote from: SKO on November 26, 2014, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 26, 2014, 12:17:00 PM
Quote from: Oleg on November 26, 2014, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 26, 2014, 08:22:09 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 25, 2014, 06:19:10 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 11:30:53 AM
The most amazing thing to me about how poor a job Marc Trestman has done is that he's been a head coach before. Yes, the CFL is different, but is it THAT different? Don't the people skills it takes to manage CFL players pretty similar to managing NFL players? Are the players in the NFL that much more of divas than the guys in the CFL? Marc's apparent inability to manage a locker room makes it appear he's never been around pro football players.
Very surprising to me.
I'm...with Chuck?...on this one.
I honestly felt the hiring of Trestman was inspired at the time, and the stint in Canada would've filled some sort of "leadership credbility" gap which, when wedded to his skills as an offensive innovator, meant he came across the Bears at the right time, but obviously this hasn't been the case.
SKO--I never want to hear about Canadia football again.
For the record, my occasional "bored as hell in the summer" viewing of the CFL did not mean I bought that Trestman's head coaching experience there meant much for down here. He was going to sink or swim based on his offensive scheme, which last year seemed not only effective but based on sound, fundamental principles. This year I see him way too scared to run his bread and butter plays (and this includes running Forte early and often, not just letting Jay throw it downfield) and relying instead on constraint plays. There've been plenty of hopeless WR screens, quick hits, and various other plays that rely on an abundance of YAC. Those really only work when you have a defense that is cheating by playing back off of the ball to prevent deep passes. If you're not threatening people deep you can't move the ball against them in the short passing game. Trestman's just lost his edge. It's sadly not that unusual, apparently, as the biggest knocks I heard about him when he was hired were that he overthinks things and that he had a tendency as an OC to freeze up in big moments.
It kind of has the sound of Gary Crowton to me. Maybe. Seems the NFL has figured him out?
It does look very Crowton 2000-esque this year, but that's what threw me to begin with. Trestman last year didn't really run anything gimmicky (unless you consider packaged plays gimmicky, which I don't, and they've been noticeably absent this year despite being very successful last year). Mostly just straight-forward, drop back and pass West Coast stuff, and the zone blocking scheme Kromer introduced really made them look great in the run game. He did some innovative stuff to get guys open downfield but still, nothing gimmicky. This year he's been a lot more about trying to steal "easy yards" that just aren't there than just, say, playing 11 on 11 and picking a man.
Crowton in 1999 took the NFL by storm by introducing the WR screen and stuff, but once teams figured out his teams couldn't beat you deep if you just sat on those, he was fucked. Trestman beat a bunch of teams deep and now has seemingly abandoned it in lieu of trying Crowton-level bullshit at times.
Fuck you, Pen, I'm posting again.
but basically, the thing that pisses me off about the NFL "figuring Trestman out" is that it implies that last year he tried a bunch of sneaky shit and got away with it when really he didn't. Most of his scheme was just basic fundamentals using the size of his receivers to take advantage of matchups downfield. This year he seems reluctant to ever use Alshon or Brandon like the man-monsters they were last year. I can't remember the last back-shoulder throw. Hell I can't remember the last goddamn slant route.
I wonder if Marshall's ankles and Bennett's ribs are robbing them of some of those options. I mean, maybe guys aren't open and Jay's checking down and they stop calling some of the deeper routes.
Quote from: InternetApex on November 26, 2014, 12:59:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 26, 2014, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 26, 2014, 12:17:00 PM
Quote from: Oleg on November 26, 2014, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 26, 2014, 08:22:09 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 25, 2014, 06:19:10 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 25, 2014, 11:30:53 AM
The most amazing thing to me about how poor a job Marc Trestman has done is that he's been a head coach before. Yes, the CFL is different, but is it THAT different? Don't the people skills it takes to manage CFL players pretty similar to managing NFL players? Are the players in the NFL that much more of divas than the guys in the CFL? Marc's apparent inability to manage a locker room makes it appear he's never been around pro football players.
Very surprising to me.
I'm...with Chuck?...on this one.
I honestly felt the hiring of Trestman was inspired at the time, and the stint in Canada would've filled some sort of "leadership credbility" gap which, when wedded to his skills as an offensive innovator, meant he came across the Bears at the right time, but obviously this hasn't been the case.
SKO--I never want to hear about Canadia football again.
For the record, my occasional "bored as hell in the summer" viewing of the CFL did not mean I bought that Trestman's head coaching experience there meant much for down here. He was going to sink or swim based on his offensive scheme, which last year seemed not only effective but based on sound, fundamental principles. This year I see him way too scared to run his bread and butter plays (and this includes running Forte early and often, not just letting Jay throw it downfield) and relying instead on constraint plays. There've been plenty of hopeless WR screens, quick hits, and various other plays that rely on an abundance of YAC. Those really only work when you have a defense that is cheating by playing back off of the ball to prevent deep passes. If you're not threatening people deep you can't move the ball against them in the short passing game. Trestman's just lost his edge. It's sadly not that unusual, apparently, as the biggest knocks I heard about him when he was hired were that he overthinks things and that he had a tendency as an OC to freeze up in big moments.
It kind of has the sound of Gary Crowton to me. Maybe. Seems the NFL has figured him out?
It does look very Crowton 2000-esque this year, but that's what threw me to begin with. Trestman last year didn't really run anything gimmicky (unless you consider packaged plays gimmicky, which I don't, and they've been noticeably absent this year despite being very successful last year). Mostly just straight-forward, drop back and pass West Coast stuff, and the zone blocking scheme Kromer introduced really made them look great in the run game. He did some innovative stuff to get guys open downfield but still, nothing gimmicky. This year he's been a lot more about trying to steal "easy yards" that just aren't there than just, say, playing 11 on 11 and picking a man.
Crowton in 1999 took the NFL by storm by introducing the WR screen and stuff, but once teams figured out his teams couldn't beat you deep if you just sat on those, he was fucked. Trestman beat a bunch of teams deep and now has seemingly abandoned it in lieu of trying Crowton-level bullshit at times.
Fuck you, Pen, I'm posting again.
but basically, the thing that pisses me off about the NFL "figuring Trestman out" is that it implies that last year he tried a bunch of sneaky shit and got away with it when really he didn't. Most of his scheme was just basic fundamentals using the size of his receivers to take advantage of matchups downfield. This year he seems reluctant to ever use Alshon or Brandon like the man-monsters they were last year. I can't remember the last back-shoulder throw. Hell I can't remember the last goddamn slant route.
I wonder if Marshall's ankles and Bennett's ribs are robbing them of some of those options. I mean, maybe guys aren't open and Jay's checking down and they stop calling some of the deeper routes.
That's possible, I suppose. Certainly those guys haven't been who they were last year, that's for sure. It just seems like even if they're going with the short stuff the stuff they are going with is bad. Almost everything involves receivers turning and facing the QB. That's an easy stop for the defense. Not much as far as deep ins or slants or anything designed to hit a moving target.
A turnover or two in the Buffalo and Carolina games have cost the team two wins. If they were 7-4, we'd be looking at a winnable game on Thanksgiving and hoping for solid playoff positioning for the stretch run. But the reality is that those two Green Bay games and the New England game happened. Which means even that scenario would be bogus. The Bears are awful. And I hate them.
Marc Trestman may be thankful for screen passes, but I'm not.
I can't wait till 2015 we have mike singletary is our coach and jameis is our QB
done (http://firejerryangelo.org/2014/12/01/what-the-bears-should-do-but-probably-wont/)
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 02, 2014, 03:38:10 PM
done (http://firejerryangelo.org/2014/12/01/what-the-bears-should-do-but-probably-wont/)
Fire everybody and then draft defenders who can do their jobs well. Short and to the point. I like that.
Quote from: SKO on December 02, 2014, 04:02:36 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 02, 2014, 03:38:10 PM
done (http://firejerryangelo.org/2014/12/01/what-the-bears-should-do-but-probably-wont/)
Fire everybody and then draft defenders who can do their jobs well. Short and to the point. I like that.
And hire Rex Ryan.
And make him and Trestman live in the same apartment and turn it into the greatest reality show in TV history.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 02, 2014, 05:33:25 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 02, 2014, 04:02:36 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 02, 2014, 03:38:10 PM
done (http://firejerryangelo.org/2014/12/01/what-the-bears-should-do-but-probably-wont/)
Fire everybody and then draft defenders who can do their jobs well. Short and to the point. I like that.
And hire Rex Ryan.
And make him and Trestman live in the same apartment and turn it into the greatest reality show in TV history.
There's no time to waste. We have to save football in Chicago.
Robbie Gould is out with a quad injury and the Bears have signed Jay Feely. The former New York Giant is best remembered in my household for booting the ill-fated field goal attempt that Devin Hester ran back for a record-tying long touchdown. On the way to the goal line Hester was approached by a desperate Feely who was promptly obliterated by a lead-blocking Helen Huntermeyer. They kept showing Feely on the bench as the Bears pulled away en route to a blowout victory and I remember him looking so sad and defeated - literally butthurt, having been deposited so swiftly on his can by Devin's convoy.
Picture me at my desk right now looking exactly the same way.
Quote from: InternetApex on December 03, 2014, 12:51:49 PM
Robbie Gould is out with a quad injury and the Bears have signed Jay Feely. The former New York Giant is best remembered in my household for booting the ill-fated field goal attempt that Devin Hester ran back for a record-tying long touchdown. On the way to the goal line Hester was approached by a desperate Feely who was promptly obliterated by a lead-blocking Helen Huntermeyer. They kept showing Feely on the bench as the Bears pulled away en route to a blowout victory and I remember him looking so sad and defeated - literally butthurt, having been deposited so swiftly on his can by Devin's convoy.
Picture me at my desk right now looking exactly the same way.
Pretty brilliant casting: Dane Cook as Jay Feely (https://screen.yahoo.com/kenan-thompson-snl-skits/jay-feely-story-000000460.html).
Picture me mopin'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D30wGnBBHY
Quote from: InternetApex on December 03, 2014, 02:50:06 PM
Picture me mopin'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D30wGnBBHY
Looks like butthurt, but sadder.
The Niners continue to prove the Bears' Week 2 win meant absolutely less than nothing. All part of Harbaugh's plan to get fired, become a free agent, and sign with Chicago. Duh.
Anyone else happy that the Bears put over New Orleans like an aging Chris Jericho puts over anyone who gets in the ring with him?
I'd much rather see NO win the division than the Falcons or...the car wreck that is the Panthers.
Go Bears!
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 15, 2014, 11:00:10 PM
Anyone else happy that the Bears put over New Orleans like an aging Chris Jericho puts over anyone who gets in the ring with him?
(http://p.fod4.com/p/media/5c597eb60b/aAuBT9tWRw6BWzd3g1kO_Confused%20Ryan%20Office.gif)
Quote from: Eli on December 16, 2014, 08:11:55 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 15, 2014, 11:00:10 PM
Anyone else happy that the Bears put over New Orleans like an aging Chris Jericho puts over anyone who gets in the ring with him?
(http://p.fod4.com/p/media/5c597eb60b/aAuBT9tWRw6BWzd3g1kO_Confused%20Ryan%20Office.gif)
Yeah.
Is Chris Jericho an MMA fighter?
Even if he was, I'm not sure that helps me understand what was written.
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 08:17:56 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 16, 2014, 08:11:55 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 15, 2014, 11:00:10 PM
Anyone else happy that the Bears put over New Orleans like an aging Chris Jericho puts over anyone who gets in the ring with him?
(http://p.fod4.com/p/media/5c597eb60b/aAuBT9tWRw6BWzd3g1kO_Confused%20Ryan%20Office.gif)
Yeah.
Is Chris Jericho an MMA fighter?
Even if he was, I'm not sure that helps me understand what was written.
wrassler
I have no hope for this franchise unless and until they clean house from Phillips on down, bring in a goddamn football executive to be the President and start acting like a real goodamn football franchise for once in our goddamn lives (save for a Jim Finks less-than-a-decade *blip*). Christ, this team has won exactly TWO NFL Championships since 1946. The fucking Lions and Browns have each won more in this time and we've spent so much time endlessly ripping on those tard franchises. Rightfully so, but when you stop and consider what little this franchise has done, well fuck all.
For the Blackhawks, Bill Wirtz had to die. For the Cubs, the team needed to be sold. There are too many McCaskeys where any one death would precede the necessary sea change, and they're sure as fuck not going to sell the team, so the only hope is that these weirdos that are already there wake the fuck up, hit the goddamn reset button and start this thing over from the top down. These people are smart, right? They all went to college, right? Come on assholes.
Quote from: Yeti on December 16, 2014, 08:25:17 AM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 08:17:56 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 16, 2014, 08:11:55 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 15, 2014, 11:00:10 PM
Anyone else happy that the Bears put over New Orleans like an aging Chris Jericho puts over anyone who gets in the ring with him?
(http://p.fod4.com/p/media/5c597eb60b/aAuBT9tWRw6BWzd3g1kO_Confused%20Ryan%20Office.gif)
Yeah.
Is Chris Jericho an MMA fighter?
Even if he was, I'm not sure that helps me understand what was written.
wrassler
I'm neither shocked
nor surprised.
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 08:30:01 AM
I have no hope for this franchise unless and until they clean house from Phillips on down, bring in a goddamn football executive to be the President and start acting like a real goodamn football franchise for once in our goddamn lives (save for a Jim Finks less-than-a-decade *blip*). Christ, this team has won exactly TWO NFL Championships since 1946. The fucking Lions and Browns have each won more in this time and we've spent so much time endlessly ripping on those tard franchises. Rightfully so, but when you stop and consider what little this franchise has done, well fuck all.
For the Blackhawks, Bill Wirtz had to die. For the Cubs, the team needed to be sold. There are too many McCaskeys where any one death would precede the necessary sea change, and they're sure as fuck not going to sell the team, so the only hope is that these weirdos that are already there wake the fuck up, hit the goddamn reset button and start this thing over from the top down. These people are smart, right? They all went to college, right? Come on assholes.
I keep seeing people say "the McCaskeys will never sell". Do you think that's really the case? I know there's been references to the family holding on to the team after Virginia's death, but I wonder how realistic that is. It seems like there are quite a few McCaskeys who really won't reap any benefit to their team ownership unless they sell their shares.
Quote from: CT III on December 16, 2014, 10:01:34 AM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 08:30:01 AM
I have no hope for this franchise unless and until they clean house from Phillips on down, bring in a goddamn football executive to be the President and start acting like a real goodamn football franchise for once in our goddamn lives (save for a Jim Finks less-than-a-decade *blip*). Christ, this team has won exactly TWO NFL Championships since 1946. The fucking Lions and Browns have each won more in this time and we've spent so much time endlessly ripping on those tard franchises. Rightfully so, but when you stop and consider what little this franchise has done, well fuck all.
For the Blackhawks, Bill Wirtz had to die. For the Cubs, the team needed to be sold. There are too many McCaskeys where any one death would precede the necessary sea change, and they're sure as fuck not going to sell the team, so the only hope is that these weirdos that are already there wake the fuck up, hit the goddamn reset button and start this thing over from the top down. These people are smart, right? They all went to college, right? Come on assholes.
I keep seeing people say "the McCaskeys will never sell". Do you think that's really the case? I know there's been references to the family holding on to the team after Virginia's death, but I wonder how realistic that is. It seems like there are quite a few McCaskeys who really won't reap any benefit to their team ownership unless they sell their shares.
True....it's probably not much of a revenue-generator (though it has served as a reliable safety net for nepotistic employment) and if they sold it they would get quite a bit of liquid--even after taxes. The problem is there's like 500 of these teat-suckers so who knows if a sale would still set them up, generationally.
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 10:05:26 AM
Quote from: CT III on December 16, 2014, 10:01:34 AM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 08:30:01 AM
I have no hope for this franchise unless and until they clean house from Phillips on down, bring in a goddamn football executive to be the President and start acting like a real goodamn football franchise for once in our goddamn lives (save for a Jim Finks less-than-a-decade *blip*). Christ, this team has won exactly TWO NFL Championships since 1946. The fucking Lions and Browns have each won more in this time and we've spent so much time endlessly ripping on those tard franchises. Rightfully so, but when you stop and consider what little this franchise has done, well fuck all.
For the Blackhawks, Bill Wirtz had to die. For the Cubs, the team needed to be sold. There are too many McCaskeys where any one death would precede the necessary sea change, and they're sure as fuck not going to sell the team, so the only hope is that these weirdos that are already there wake the fuck up, hit the goddamn reset button and start this thing over from the top down. These people are smart, right? They all went to college, right? Come on assholes.
I keep seeing people say "the McCaskeys will never sell". Do you think that's really the case? I know there's been references to the family holding on to the team after Virginia's death, but I wonder how realistic that is. It seems like there are quite a few McCaskeys who really won't reap any benefit to their team ownership unless they sell their shares.
True....it's probably not much of a revenue-generator (though it has served as a reliable safety net for nepotistic employment) and if they sold it they would get quite a bit of liquid--even after taxes. The problem is there's like 500 of these teat-suckers so who knows if a sale would still set them up, generationally.
It will depend on if they are allowed to sell their shares individually. I was picturing a scenario where the shares were divided equally among VM's kids (I think there are 11) each having control over their portion. My guess is that Pat Ryan would be willing to buy the shares off anyone who was willing to sell, and that the remaining members of the family wouldn't have wherewithal to match an offer.
Quote from: CT III on December 16, 2014, 10:15:10 AM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 10:05:26 AM
Quote from: CT III on December 16, 2014, 10:01:34 AM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 08:30:01 AM
I have no hope for this franchise unless and until they clean house from Phillips on down, bring in a goddamn football executive to be the President and start acting like a real goodamn football franchise for once in our goddamn lives (save for a Jim Finks less-than-a-decade *blip*). Christ, this team has won exactly TWO NFL Championships since 1946. The fucking Lions and Browns have each won more in this time and we've spent so much time endlessly ripping on those tard franchises. Rightfully so, but when you stop and consider what little this franchise has done, well fuck all.
For the Blackhawks, Bill Wirtz had to die. For the Cubs, the team needed to be sold. There are too many McCaskeys where any one death would precede the necessary sea change, and they're sure as fuck not going to sell the team, so the only hope is that these weirdos that are already there wake the fuck up, hit the goddamn reset button and start this thing over from the top down. These people are smart, right? They all went to college, right? Come on assholes.
I keep seeing people say "the McCaskeys will never sell". Do you think that's really the case? I know there's been references to the family holding on to the team after Virginia's death, but I wonder how realistic that is. It seems like there are quite a few McCaskeys who really won't reap any benefit to their team ownership unless they sell their shares.
True....it's probably not much of a revenue-generator (though it has served as a reliable safety net for nepotistic employment) and if they sold it they would get quite a bit of liquid--even after taxes. The problem is there's like 500 of these teat-suckers so who knows if a sale would still set them up, generationally.
It will depend on if they are allowed to sell their shares individually. I was picturing a scenario where the shares were divided equally among VM's kids (I think there are 11) each having control over their portion. My guess is that Pat Ryan would be willing to buy the shares off anyone who was willing to sell, and that the remaining members of the family wouldn't have wherewithal to match an offer.
So now I understand what it was like for you guys to be Blackhawks fans all those years under Bill Wirtz. Rooting for ownership to die/sell. This sucks major hang.
I guess we need to hope for the Cubs to win several World Series and the franchise value to shoot up to $10 B or something so Ricketts can make a ridiculous offer to the McCaskeys.
Quote from: R-V on December 16, 2014, 10:45:17 AM
Quote from: CT III on December 16, 2014, 10:15:10 AM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 10:05:26 AM
Quote from: CT III on December 16, 2014, 10:01:34 AM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 08:30:01 AM
I have no hope for this franchise unless and until they clean house from Phillips on down, bring in a goddamn football executive to be the President and start acting like a real goodamn football franchise for once in our goddamn lives (save for a Jim Finks less-than-a-decade *blip*). Christ, this team has won exactly TWO NFL Championships since 1946. The fucking Lions and Browns have each won more in this time and we've spent so much time endlessly ripping on those tard franchises. Rightfully so, but when you stop and consider what little this franchise has done, well fuck all.
For the Blackhawks, Bill Wirtz had to die. For the Cubs, the team needed to be sold. There are too many McCaskeys where any one death would precede the necessary sea change, and they're sure as fuck not going to sell the team, so the only hope is that these weirdos that are already there wake the fuck up, hit the goddamn reset button and start this thing over from the top down. These people are smart, right? They all went to college, right? Come on assholes.
I keep seeing people say "the McCaskeys will never sell". Do you think that's really the case? I know there's been references to the family holding on to the team after Virginia's death, but I wonder how realistic that is. It seems like there are quite a few McCaskeys who really won't reap any benefit to their team ownership unless they sell their shares.
True....it's probably not much of a revenue-generator (though it has served as a reliable safety net for nepotistic employment) and if they sold it they would get quite a bit of liquid--even after taxes. The problem is there's like 500 of these teat-suckers so who knows if a sale would still set them up, generationally.
It will depend on if they are allowed to sell their shares individually. I was picturing a scenario where the shares were divided equally among VM's kids (I think there are 11) each having control over their portion. My guess is that Pat Ryan would be willing to buy the shares off anyone who was willing to sell, and that the remaining members of the family wouldn't have wherewithal to match an offer.
So now I understand what it was like for you guys to be Blackhawks fans all those years under Bill Wirtz. Rooting for ownership to die/sell. This sucks major hang.
I guess we need to hope for the Cubs to win several World Series and the franchise value to shoot up to $10 B or something so Ricketts can make a ridiculous offer to the McCaskeys.
I really don't think the McCaskeys are to blame here, I guess. I don't even think Ted Philips is to blame. Spending is so standardized in the NFL right now that it's pretty hard for cheap ownership to cripple anything.
The real terror here is that Phil Emery was the Bears Theo and he fucked himself hard. He's the most analytical GM in football. The Bears are contracted with more analytics companies than any other team. They have their own director of analytics when most still don't. Emery expanded the scouting department to make it one of the biggest in the NFL. Hell, he hasn't even drafted that poorly. I get that Shea McLellin was a disaster for the position he was drafted to play but he's actually PFF's 7th ranked 4-3 OLB right now. He's not bad at it. Jeffery's been good. Bostic's actually been about a league average MLB this year when most think he's probably better suited for WLB. Kyle Long has allowed one sack all year. Ego and Sutton and Vereen and Fuller have all shown promise.
He's made some decent free agent pickups with guys like Willie and Ratliff.
This isn't a defense of Phil Emery though. He fucked up the biggest decision he will ever make, and he's fucked it up BADLY. Bruce Arians was right fucking there and he has been arguably the coach getting the most out of the least in the NFL the last two seasons and Emery supposedly didn't hire him because he wanted Arians to keep Rod Marinelli (who was GOING TO LEAVE ANYWAY because Lovie was his BFF) and Arians rightly demanded the ability to choose his own coordinator.
So what I'm saying is you can demand new ownership and a new president and a new GM that'll Moneyball the hell out of the franchise or whatever you want them to do, but frankly Phil Emery just did all of that and it didn't matter because he fucked up and hired the wrong coach. Who knows if the next guy will find the right one.
Quote from: SKO on December 16, 2014, 10:54:41 AM
I really don't think the McCaskeys are to blame here, I guess. I don't even think Ted Philips is to blame. Spending is so standardized in the NFL right now that it's pretty hard for cheap ownership to cripple anything.
The real terror here is that Phil Emery was the Bears Theo and he fucked himself hard. He's the most analytical GM in football. The Bears are contracted with more analytics companies than any other team. They have their own director of analytics when most still don't. Emery expanded the scouting department to make it one of the biggest in the NFL. Hell, he hasn't even drafted that poorly. I get that Shea McLellin was a disaster for the position he was drafted to play but he's actually PFF's 7th ranked 4-3 OLB right now. He's not bad at it. Jeffery's been good. Bostic's actually been about a league average MLB this year when most think he's probably better suited for WLB. Kyle Long has allowed one sack all year. Ego and Sutton and Vereen and Fuller have all shown promise.
He's made some decent free agent pickups with guys like Willie and Ratliff.
This isn't a defense of Phil Emery though. He fucked up the biggest decision he will ever make, and he's fucked it up BADLY. Bruce Arians was right fucking there and he has been arguably the coach getting the most out of the least in the NFL the last two seasons and Emery supposedly didn't hire him because he wanted Arians to keep Rod Marinelli (who was GOING TO LEAVE ANYWAY because Lovie was his BFF) and Arians rightly demanded the ability to choose his own coordinator.
So what I'm saying is you can demand new ownership and a new president and a new GM that'll Moneyball the hell out of the franchise or whatever you want them to do, but frankly Phil Emery just did all of that and it didn't matter because he fucked up and hired the wrong coach. Who knows if the next guy will find the right one.
Really, it's that simple? Trestman is a poor coach and this is why they stink?
Quote from: PenFoe on December 16, 2014, 10:56:34 AM
Really, it's that simple? Trestman is a poor coach and this is why they stink?
No, there's a woeful lack of talent in a lot of areas. Not all of it is Emery's fault. You can't pin everything on Angelo but the simple fact that they got a grand total of maybe 3 long-term players from Angelo's last 8 or so drafts really put this franchise in a whole where there was no depth anywhere, and Emery has spent each offseason plugging leaks only to see something that seemed fine suddenly pop up with more leaks.
2012 offseason he inherited a team that lacked offensive playmakers but had an offensive line that actually came together in the second half of the year and who his line coach/offensive coordinator professed faith. Emery gets Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffery and the offensive line falls apart.
2013 offseason he has a defense that ranked 3rd in the NFL and an offense that ranked 28th, largely due to a bad offensive line and a TE who dropped 35% of the passes thrown to him. He completely rebuilds the OL with 4/5 new starters, signs Bennett, gets a top 2 scoring offense out of the deal while the defense falls apart due to age and injury and drops to 32nd.
2014 offseason he rebuilds the entire defensive line, drafts a corner in the first round, adds as many safeties as he can despite a tight cap situation, and then figures things should be okay on offense because they were #2 in scoring and #7 in yards and brought everyone back
Yet here we are with a defense that still sucks, in large parts because of a lack of talent in the secondary but also a total mis-use of the players they do have, and then an offense that just inexplicably fell apart everywhere.....why? Is it just Cutler? Is that why they call a baffling run-pass ratio? Is that why the offensive line gave up 7 sacks last night? is that why Bennett leads NFL TEs in dropped passes? Is that why Brandon Marshall ran on one leg for 13 games before he got killed?
But I still do not believe there is so little talent on that offense that was so good last year that a supposed offensive genius can't figure out how to even make them average. There is not so little talent on that defense this year, especially with a pretty good defensive line, that they should be that porous.
The coaching staff doesn't try to cover any of the gaping holes. I've seen Mel Tucker call the same soft zones and off-coverage every game and then act surprised when Calvin Johnson/Dez Bryant etc. rip them a new one. Emery spent the whole offseason preaching a defense that would vary it's looks, alternate between one-gap and two-gap schemes, constantly confuse defenses, and then Mel has called about five plays. No fucking joke. He calls 5 plays. Cover One, Cover 3, a simple zone blitz where McClellin rushes off the edge, Cover 2, and Two Man.
Lovie and Marinelli did this sometimes when they had Julius Peppers and Urlacher and Briggs and Tillman all in their last good years. Tucker tries to do this with Ryan Mundy and a half-dead Tim Jennings.
There's not enough talent on this team that they should be 12-4, but if you don't think they're vastly under-achieving and that most of that can't be attributed to uninspired, repetitive, vanilla schemes on both sides of the ball, then pay the fuck attention.
Quote from: SKO on December 16, 2014, 11:02:17 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 16, 2014, 10:56:34 AM
Really, it's that simple? Trestman is a poor coach and this is why they stink?
No, there's a woeful lack of talent in a lot of areas. Not all of it is Emery's fault. You can't pin everything on Angelo but the simple fact that they got a grand total of maybe 3 long-term players from Angelo's last 8 or so drafts really put this franchise in a whole where there was no depth anywhere, and Emery has spent each offseason plugging leaks only to see something that seemed fine suddenly pop up with more leaks.
2012 offseason he inherited a team that lacked offensive playmakers but had an offensive line that actually came together in the second half of the year and who his line coach/offensive coordinator professed faith. Emery gets Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffery and the offensive line falls apart.
2013 offseason he has a defense that ranked 3rd in the NFL and an offense that ranked 28th, largely due to a bad offensive line and a TE who dropped 35% of the passes thrown to him. He completely rebuilds the OL with 4/5 new starters, signs Bennett, gets a top 2 scoring offense out of the deal while the defense falls apart due to age and injury and drops to 32nd.
2014 offseason he rebuilds the entire defensive line, drafts a corner in the first round, adds as many safeties as he can despite a tight cap situation, and then figures things should be okay on offense because they were #2 in scoring and #7 in yards and brought everyone back
Yet here we are with a defense that still sucks, in large parts because of a lack of talent in the secondary but also a total mis-use of the players they do have, and then an offense that just inexplicably fell apart everywhere.....why? Is it just Cutler? Is that why they call a baffling run-pass ratio? Is that why the offensive line gave up 7 sacks last night? is that why Bennett leads NFL TEs in dropped passes? Is that why Brandon Marshall ran on one leg for 13 games before he got killed?
But I still do not believe there is so little talent on that offense that was so good last year that a supposed offensive genius can't figure out how to even make them average. There is not so little talent on that defense this year, especially with a pretty good defensive line, that they should be that porous.
The coaching staff doesn't try to cover any of the gaping holes. I've seen Mel Tucker call the same soft zones and off-coverage every game and then act surprised when Calvin Johnson/Dez Bryant etc. rip them a new one. Emery spent the whole offseason preaching a defense that would vary it's looks, alternate between one-gap and two-gap schemes, constantly confuse defenses, and then Mel has called about five plays. No fucking joke. He calls 5 plays. Cover One, Cover 3, a simple zone blitz where McClellin rushes off the edge, Cover 2, and Two Man.
Lovie and Marinelli did this sometimes when they had Julius Peppers and Urlacher and Briggs and Tillman all in their last good years. Tucker tries to do this with Ryan Mundy and a half-dead Tim Jennings.
There's not enough talent on this team that they should be 12-4, but if you don't think they're vastly under-achieving and that most of that can't be attributed to uninspired, repetitive, vanilla schemes on both sides of the ball, then pay the fuck attention.
The whole whole?
Quote from: SKO on December 16, 2014, 11:02:17 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 16, 2014, 10:56:34 AM
Really, it's that simple? Trestman is a poor coach and this is why they stink?
No, there's a woeful lack of talent in a lot of areas. Not all of it is Emery's fault. You can't pin everything on Angelo but the simple fact that they got a grand total of maybe 3 long-term players from Angelo's last 8 or so drafts really put this franchise in a whole where there was no depth anywhere, and Emery has spent each offseason plugging leaks only to see something that seemed fine suddenly pop up with more leaks.
2012 offseason he inherited a team that lacked offensive playmakers but had an offensive line that actually came together in the second half of the year and who his line coach/offensive coordinator professed faith. Emery gets Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffery and the offensive line falls apart.
2013 offseason he has a defense that ranked 3rd in the NFL and an offense that ranked 28th, largely due to a bad offensive line and a TE who dropped 35% of the passes thrown to him. He completely rebuilds the OL with 4/5 new starters, signs Bennett, gets a top 2 scoring offense out of the deal while the defense falls apart due to age and injury and drops to 32nd.
2014 offseason he rebuilds the entire defensive line, drafts a corner in the first round, adds as many safeties as he can despite a tight cap situation, and then figures things should be okay on offense because they were #2 in scoring and #7 in yards and brought everyone back
Yet here we are with a defense that still sucks, in large parts because of a lack of talent in the secondary but also a total mis-use of the players they do have, and then an offense that just inexplicably fell apart everywhere.....why? Is it just Cutler? Is that why they call a baffling run-pass ratio? Is that why the offensive line gave up 7 sacks last night? is that why Bennett leads NFL TEs in dropped passes? Is that why Brandon Marshall ran on one leg for 13 games before he got killed?
But I still do not believe there is so little talent on that offense that was so good last year that a supposed offensive genius can't figure out how to even make them average. There is not so little talent on that defense this year, especially with a pretty good defensive line, that they should be that porous.
The coaching staff doesn't try to cover any of the gaping holes. I've seen Mel Tucker call the same soft zones and off-coverage every game and then act surprised when Calvin Johnson/Dez Bryant etc. rip them a new one. Emery spent the whole offseason preaching a defense that would vary it's looks, alternate between one-gap and two-gap schemes, constantly confuse defenses, and then Mel has called about five plays. No fucking joke. He calls 5 plays. Cover One, Cover 3, a simple zone blitz where McClellin rushes off the edge, Cover 2, and Two Man.
Lovie and Marinelli did this sometimes when they had Julius Peppers and Urlacher and Briggs and Tillman all in their last good years. Tucker tries to do this with Ryan Mundy and a half-dead Tim Jennings.
There's not enough talent on this team that they should be 12-4, but if you don't think they're vastly under-achieving and that most of that can't be attributed to uninspired, repetitive, vanilla schemes on both sides of the ball, then pay the fuck attention.
So basically, Emery did everything right except he hired a bad coach, except he didn't do everything right because they have no talent in the secondary (except for presumably Kyle Fuller, who you spent half the season fellating.)
Other than hating Trestman and making excuses for Cutler, I don't even know what you're saying anymore.
I'm not blaming the McCaskeys. The Bears haven't been cheap; they're just not smart and that starts at the top. Phillips hired Emery who has proven to suck--his drafts are a mixed bag and more was needed on the heels of Angelo's poor drafts. But you appear to simplify this down to some fatal flaw in that he hired the wrong coach but a) that's a pretty goddamn big mistake and b) as much as we have defended in Cutler, it's fair to say in retrospect that signing him up big-time last year also has backfired so that when you add all of this together--so-so drafting, bad coaching hire, questionable Quarterback decision-- that Emery has proven to have already made too many costly mistakes.
I mean, shit, you gloss over the fact that he made a bad a coaching hire but even if that is the only fault you can find with him then why would you trust him to hire the next guy? No. While normally, I think a GM has the right to make a second hire, Emery's hiring here has been so obviously bad I think he's forfeited that right and, more than that, should be relieved of his duties because now the problems go well beyond that hire. Remember, he inherited a team that was a year removed from a Conference Title game and went 10-6 in his first year. You compare him to Theo but he had an entirely different situation when he arrived.
Theo was brought in as President, and Emery's just a GM--a position which the Bears had forsaken until just a little over a decade ago. If the Bears were to really sign "a Theo" the guy would be sitting in Phillips' chair. After all, Phillips hired Emery and Angelo to run the football side of the things. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I feel he deserves to go before Emery and Trestman.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 16, 2014, 11:13:13 AM
So basically, Emery did everything right except he hired a bad coach, except he didn't do everything right because they have no talent in the secondary (except for presumably Kyle Fuller, who you spent half the season fellating.)
Other than hating Trestman and making excuses for Cutler, I don't even know what you're saying anymore.
I'm not really saying Emery did everything right. Just that the biggest problem here in my opinion is a coaching staff that's terrible at their jobs. There are certainly other factors. I'm not even making excuses for Jay. He's sucked out loud and if he was gone tomorrow I wouldn't really care.
I'm saying no GM is perfect, and Emery's drafting/free agency moves are probably pretty good or at least par for the course when it comes to NFL GMs over the last few years. I don't know if FIRE THE PRESIDENT AND HAVE HIM GET A REAL GM is the solution because I doubt that guy is going to offer some new and innovative approach to rebuilding the team that Emery didn't. He's not a stupid guy.
But Emery DID fuck up the Trestman hire, and while this team does have talent issues in a lot areas you cannot look at some of the teams around the league that manage to contend or at least due better than be beaten down regularly on a weekly basis and tell me they ALL have more talent than Chicago. They don't. The common link between all of the young players who aren't developing and the veterans who are underperforming is the people in charge. They're issue #1 as far as I'm concerned.
And sadly I think a lot of this really is just the bill finally coming due for a decade of terrible decisions that pre-date Emery. For years the Bears have floated on as a 7-10 win team that had just enough of an aging core of stars that you could slap on the occasional free agent Band-Aid and tease people with a chance at contention, but the foundations were still rotting. We'd all probably be better off if the Cutler trade and the Peppers signing never happened, because then the collapse would have come in 2010 and we'd be four years ahead in the rebuild process instead of having wasted four years trying to hope the patched up, jerry-rigged team that was never quite good enough was going to do something.
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Get a hold of yourself, Pank.
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 11:17:10 AM
I'm not blaming the McCaskeys. The Bears haven't been cheap; they're just not smart and that starts at the top. Phillips hired Emery who has proven to suck--his drafts are a mixed bag and more was needed on the heels of Angelo's poor drafts. But you appear to simplify this down to some fatal flaw in that he hired the wrong coach but a) that's a pretty goddamn big mistake and b) as much as we have defended in Cutler, it's fair to say in retrospect that signing him up big-time last year also has backfired so that when you add all of this together--so-so drafting, bad coaching hire, questionable Quarterback decision-- that Emery has proven to have already made too many costly mistakes.
I mean, shit, you gloss over the fact that he made a bad a coaching hire but even if that is the only fault you can find with him then why would you trust him to hire the next guy? No. While normally, I think a GM has the right to make a second hire, Emery's hiring here has been so obviously bad I think he's forfeited that right and, more than that, should be relieved of his duties because now the problems go well beyond that hire. Remember, he inherited a team that was a year removed from a Conference Title and went 10-6 in his first year. You compare him to Theo but he had an entirely different situation when he arrived.
Theo was brought in as President, and Emery's just a GM--a position which the Bears had forsaken until just a little over a decade ago. If the Bears were to really sign "a Theo" the guy would be sitting in Phillips' chair. After all, Phillips hired Emery and Angelo to run the football side of the things. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I feel he deserves to go before Emery and Trestman.
actually I'm not downplaying Emery's mistake of hiring Trestman at all. It is a fireable offense. I don't want Emery to stay. I'm just depressingly stating that I don't know if this panacea of "fire everybody, and get some real smart people!" is going to matter. I don't think Phil Emery is stupid. I think he did a lot of the things we'd want the new guy to do already, and in the end I fear the simple answer is these Bears will never be great until they luck into that one franchise-cure-all QB that seems to be the reason everybody else wins consistently. The Colts are a horribly run franchise. They traded a first round pick for Trent Fucking Richardson for fuck's sake, it will never matter because they held the #1 pick twice at the right fucking time. If the Bears never win that lottery I'm not sure any overhaul of the organizational structure will matter.
But fire Emery, be my guest. Fuck him. I really don't care. Sorry I didn't make that clear.
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 11:17:10 AM
I'm not blaming the McCaskeys. The Bears haven't been cheap; they're just not smart and that starts at the top. Phillips hired Emery who has proven to suck--his drafts are a mixed bag and more was needed on the heels of Angelo's poor drafts. But you appear to simplify this down to some fatal flaw in that he hired the wrong coach but a) that's a pretty goddamn big mistake and b) as much as we have defended in Cutler, it's fair to say in retrospect that signing him up big-time last year also has backfired so that when you add all of this together--so-so drafting, bad coaching hire, questionable Quarterback decision-- that Emery has proven to have already made too many costly mistakes.
I mean, shit, you gloss over the fact that he made a bad a coaching hire but even if that is the only fault you can find with him then why would you trust him to hire the next guy? No. While normally, I think a GM has the right to make a second hire, Emery's hiring here has been so obviously bad I think he's forfeited that right and, more than that, should be relieved of his duties because now the problems go well beyond that hire. Remember, he inherited a team that was a year removed from a Conference Title game and went 10-6 in his first year. You compare him to Theo but he had an entirely different situation when he arrived.
Theo was brought in as President, and Emery's just a GM--a position which the Bears had forsaken until just a little over a decade ago. If the Bears were to really sign "a Theo" the guy would be sitting in Phillips' chair. After all, Phillips hired Emery and Angelo to run the football side of the things. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I feel he deserves to go before Emery and Trestman.
I mean...Theo's on his 3rd manager in 3 seasons.
Granted, he keeps upgrading, but I'm not sure that hiring the wrong coach is enough to crucify the guy for by itself. Trestman did a pretty good job last year.
Now, if he
keeps a bad coach, that's pretty indictable.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 16, 2014, 11:28:28 AM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 11:17:10 AM
I'm not blaming the McCaskeys. The Bears haven't been cheap; they're just not smart and that starts at the top. Phillips hired Emery who has proven to suck--his drafts are a mixed bag and more was needed on the heels of Angelo's poor drafts. But you appear to simplify this down to some fatal flaw in that he hired the wrong coach but a) that's a pretty goddamn big mistake and b) as much as we have defended in Cutler, it's fair to say in retrospect that signing him up big-time last year also has backfired so that when you add all of this together--so-so drafting, bad coaching hire, questionable Quarterback decision-- that Emery has proven to have already made too many costly mistakes.
I mean, shit, you gloss over the fact that he made a bad a coaching hire but even if that is the only fault you can find with him then why would you trust him to hire the next guy? No. While normally, I think a GM has the right to make a second hire, Emery's hiring here has been so obviously bad I think he's forfeited that right and, more than that, should be relieved of his duties because now the problems go well beyond that hire. Remember, he inherited a team that was a year removed from a Conference Title game and went 10-6 in his first year. You compare him to Theo but he had an entirely different situation when he arrived.
Theo was brought in as President, and Emery's just a GM--a position which the Bears had forsaken until just a little over a decade ago. If the Bears were to really sign "a Theo" the guy would be sitting in Phillips' chair. After all, Phillips hired Emery and Angelo to run the football side of the things. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I feel he deserves to go before Emery and Trestman.
Trestman did a pretty good job last year.
Until he turtled up on his return to his home state of Minnesota and decided to kick a long-assed field goal on second down. It's either been all downhill from there or that game merely exposed what a shitbag of a coach he was all along. Either way, the last 12 months are rivalled only by the Wannstedt and Gibron eras in the annals of Bear history.
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 11:32:28 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 16, 2014, 11:28:28 AM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 11:17:10 AM
I'm not blaming the McCaskeys. The Bears haven't been cheap; they're just not smart and that starts at the top. Phillips hired Emery who has proven to suck--his drafts are a mixed bag and more was needed on the heels of Angelo's poor drafts. But you appear to simplify this down to some fatal flaw in that he hired the wrong coach but a) that's a pretty goddamn big mistake and b) as much as we have defended in Cutler, it's fair to say in retrospect that signing him up big-time last year also has backfired so that when you add all of this together--so-so drafting, bad coaching hire, questionable Quarterback decision-- that Emery has proven to have already made too many costly mistakes.
I mean, shit, you gloss over the fact that he made a bad a coaching hire but even if that is the only fault you can find with him then why would you trust him to hire the next guy? No. While normally, I think a GM has the right to make a second hire, Emery's hiring here has been so obviously bad I think he's forfeited that right and, more than that, should be relieved of his duties because now the problems go well beyond that hire. Remember, he inherited a team that was a year removed from a Conference Title game and went 10-6 in his first year. You compare him to Theo but he had an entirely different situation when he arrived.
Theo was brought in as President, and Emery's just a GM--a position which the Bears had forsaken until just a little over a decade ago. If the Bears were to really sign "a Theo" the guy would be sitting in Phillips' chair. After all, Phillips hired Emery and Angelo to run the football side of the things. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I feel he deserves to go before Emery and Trestman.
Trestman did a pretty good job last year.
Until he turtled up on his return to his home state of Minnesota and decided to kick a long-assed field goal on second down. It's either been all downhill from there or that game merely exposed what a shitbag of a coach he was all along. Either way, the last 12 months are rivalled only by the Wannstedt and Gibron eras in the annals of Bear history.
Jauron: too big for annals.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 16, 2014, 11:28:28 AM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 11:17:10 AM
I'm not blaming the McCaskeys. The Bears haven't been cheap; they're just not smart and that starts at the top. Phillips hired Emery who has proven to suck--his drafts are a mixed bag and more was needed on the heels of Angelo's poor drafts. But you appear to simplify this down to some fatal flaw in that he hired the wrong coach but a) that's a pretty goddamn big mistake and b) as much as we have defended in Cutler, it's fair to say in retrospect that signing him up big-time last year also has backfired so that when you add all of this together--so-so drafting, bad coaching hire, questionable Quarterback decision-- that Emery has proven to have already made too many costly mistakes.
I mean, shit, you gloss over the fact that he made a bad a coaching hire but even if that is the only fault you can find with him then why would you trust him to hire the next guy? No. While normally, I think a GM has the right to make a second hire, Emery's hiring here has been so obviously bad I think he's forfeited that right and, more than that, should be relieved of his duties because now the problems go well beyond that hire. Remember, he inherited a team that was a year removed from a Conference Title game and went 10-6 in his first year. You compare him to Theo but he had an entirely different situation when he arrived.
Theo was brought in as President, and Emery's just a GM--a position which the Bears had forsaken until just a little over a decade ago. If the Bears were to really sign "a Theo" the guy would be sitting in Phillips' chair. After all, Phillips hired Emery and Angelo to run the football side of the things. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I feel he deserves to go before Emery and Trestman.
I mean...Theo's on his 3rd manager in 3 seasons.
Granted, he keeps upgrading, but I'm not sure that hiring the wrong coach is enough to crucify the guy for by itself. Trestman did a pretty good job last year.
Now, if he keeps a bad coach, that's pretty indictable.
Though Epstein never claimed to have paid attention to the in-season performance from 2012-2014, it's worth noting that the Cubs went from 61 to 66 to 73 victories. The Bears under Emery have gone 10-6, 8-8 and now (5-11?).
I'd prefer we abstain from comparing Emery to Theo. Thanks so much.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 16, 2014, 11:33:17 AM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 11:32:28 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 16, 2014, 11:28:28 AM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 11:17:10 AM
I'm not blaming the McCaskeys. The Bears haven't been cheap; they're just not smart and that starts at the top. Phillips hired Emery who has proven to suck--his drafts are a mixed bag and more was needed on the heels of Angelo's poor drafts. But you appear to simplify this down to some fatal flaw in that he hired the wrong coach but a) that's a pretty goddamn big mistake and b) as much as we have defended in Cutler, it's fair to say in retrospect that signing him up big-time last year also has backfired so that when you add all of this together--so-so drafting, bad coaching hire, questionable Quarterback decision-- that Emery has proven to have already made too many costly mistakes.
I mean, shit, you gloss over the fact that he made a bad a coaching hire but even if that is the only fault you can find with him then why would you trust him to hire the next guy? No. While normally, I think a GM has the right to make a second hire, Emery's hiring here has been so obviously bad I think he's forfeited that right and, more than that, should be relieved of his duties because now the problems go well beyond that hire. Remember, he inherited a team that was a year removed from a Conference Title game and went 10-6 in his first year. You compare him to Theo but he had an entirely different situation when he arrived.
Theo was brought in as President, and Emery's just a GM--a position which the Bears had forsaken until just a little over a decade ago. If the Bears were to really sign "a Theo" the guy would be sitting in Phillips' chair. After all, Phillips hired Emery and Angelo to run the football side of the things. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I feel he deserves to go before Emery and Trestman.
Trestman did a pretty good job last year.
Until he turtled up on his return to his home state of Minnesota and decided to kick a long-assed field goal on second down. It's either been all downhill from there or that game merely exposed what a shitbag of a coach he was all along. Either way, the last 12 months are rivalled only by the Wannstedt and Gibron eras in the annals of Bear history.
Jauron: too big for annals.
I'm aware of the Jauron Era but this is worse. Jauron had the benefit of following Wannstedt where there was pretty much nowhere to go but up. He turned the ship around a little and, while they were mostly mediocre, were in much better shape when Jauron yielded to Lovie than when Wannstedt yielded to him. The 2000 season was pretty bad, but this is worse.
Also, Trestman will be the first head coach since Gibron to not take the Bears to at least 1 playoff game. The Green Bay tub-shitting last December is the closest he'll ever get.
My worthless opinion is they should let Emery clean out the coaches and bring in new guys. Give them a shot. I think SKO is right in trying to state that the talent isn't where this team should be a Super Bowl favorite this year but they're also not 5-9 national embarrassment level bad either. Fire the coaches. Try new ones.
Then obviously if that is a total failure everyone goes.
Let's be real - ownership isn't changing. Firing Emery as well as all the coaches just seems too soon. Everyone's disgusted with this team right now but it does seem that a ton of it can be laid at the feet of the coach and the weirdo culture he's established.
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
My worthless opinion is they should let Emery clean out the coaches and bring in new guys. Give them a shot. I think SKO is right in trying to state that the talent isn't where this team should be a Super Bowl favorite this year but they're also not 5-9 national embarrassment level bad either. Fire the coaches. Try new ones.
Then obviously if that is a total failure everyone goes.
Let's be real - ownership isn't changing. Firing Emery as well as all the coaches just seems too soon. Everyone's disgusted with this team right now but it does seem that a ton of it can be laid at the feet of the coach and the weirdo culture he's established.
I'm with you, except for the fact that Emery's very hiring of said weirdo should be a red flag for his judgement. You really want that guy making
another coaching hire?
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
My worthless opinion is they should let Emery clean out the coaches and bring in new guys. Give them a shot. I think SKO is right in trying to state that the talent isn't where this team should be a Super Bowl favorite this year but they're also not 5-9 national embarrassment level bad either. Fire the coaches. Try new ones.
Then obviously if that is a total failure everyone goes.
Let's be real - ownership isn't changing. Firing Emery as well as all the coaches just seems too soon. Everyone's disgusted with this team right now but it does seem that a ton of it can be laid at the feet of the coach and the weirdo culture he's established.
I'm with you, except for the fact that Emery's very hiring of said weirdo should be a red flag for his judgement. You really want that guy making another coaching hire?
Again I'm sort of outside looking in at this point but yeah the Arians stuff is shockingly dumb.
I'd give him one more shot to get it right because frankly I don't have a replacement GM in mind that's available and could make this all better quickly. Maybe the Bears do.
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
My worthless opinion is they should let Emery clean out the coaches and bring in new guys. Give them a shot. I think SKO is right in trying to state that the talent isn't where this team should be a Super Bowl favorite this year but they're also not 5-9 national embarrassment level bad either. Fire the coaches. Try new ones.
Then obviously if that is a total failure everyone goes.
Let's be real - ownership isn't changing. Firing Emery as well as all the coaches just seems too soon. Everyone's disgusted with this team right now but it does seem that a ton of it can be laid at the feet of the coach and the weirdo culture he's established.
I'm with you, except for the fact that Emery's very hiring of said weirdo should be a red flag for his judgement. You really want that guy making another coaching hire?
I agree with not firing Emery (yet) but if he doesn't make the new coaching hire, who does?
Quote from: flannj on December 16, 2014, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
My worthless opinion is they should let Emery clean out the coaches and bring in new guys. Give them a shot. I think SKO is right in trying to state that the talent isn't where this team should be a Super Bowl favorite this year but they're also not 5-9 national embarrassment level bad either. Fire the coaches. Try new ones.
Then obviously if that is a total failure everyone goes.
Let's be real - ownership isn't changing. Firing Emery as well as all the coaches just seems too soon. Everyone's disgusted with this team right now but it does seem that a ton of it can be laid at the feet of the coach and the weirdo culture he's established.
I'm with you, except for the fact that Emery's very hiring of said weirdo should be a red flag for his judgement. You really want that guy making another coaching hire?
I agree with not firing Emery (yet) but if he doesn't make the new coaching hire, who does?
All of this is irrelevant since Trestman's coming back.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 16, 2014, 12:28:11 PM
Quote from: flannj on December 16, 2014, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
My worthless opinion is they should let Emery clean out the coaches and bring in new guys. Give them a shot. I think SKO is right in trying to state that the talent isn't where this team should be a Super Bowl favorite this year but they're also not 5-9 national embarrassment level bad either. Fire the coaches. Try new ones.
Then obviously if that is a total failure everyone goes.
Let's be real - ownership isn't changing. Firing Emery as well as all the coaches just seems too soon. Everyone's disgusted with this team right now but it does seem that a ton of it can be laid at the feet of the coach and the weirdo culture he's established.
I'm with you, except for the fact that Emery's very hiring of said weirdo should be a red flag for his judgement. You really want that guy making another coaching hire?
I agree with not firing Emery (yet) but if he doesn't make the new coaching hire, who does?
All of this is irrelevant since Trestman's coming back.
I don't think so. I know why people think that but I think the worm turned with the Kromer incident. If Emery was on the fence at all, I doubt if he is now.
Quote from: InternetApex on December 16, 2014, 12:30:13 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 16, 2014, 12:28:11 PM
Quote from: flannj on December 16, 2014, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
My worthless opinion is they should let Emery clean out the coaches and bring in new guys. Give them a shot. I think SKO is right in trying to state that the talent isn't where this team should be a Super Bowl favorite this year but they're also not 5-9 national embarrassment level bad either. Fire the coaches. Try new ones.
Then obviously if that is a total failure everyone goes.
Let's be real - ownership isn't changing. Firing Emery as well as all the coaches just seems too soon. Everyone's disgusted with this team right now but it does seem that a ton of it can be laid at the feet of the coach and the weirdo culture he's established.
I'm with you, except for the fact that Emery's very hiring of said weirdo should be a red flag for his judgement. You really want that guy making another coaching hire?
I agree with not firing Emery (yet) but if he doesn't make the new coaching hire, who does?
All of this is irrelevant since Trestman's coming back.
I don't think so. I know why people think that but I think the worm turned with the Kromer incident. If Emery was on the fence at all, I doubt if he is now.
Emery very obviously wanted Kromer fired and then said that was "marc's decision. Contractually it is that way."
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 12:26:33 PM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
My worthless opinion is they should let Emery clean out the coaches and bring in new guys. Give them a shot. I think SKO is right in trying to state that the talent isn't where this team should be a Super Bowl favorite this year but they're also not 5-9 national embarrassment level bad either. Fire the coaches. Try new ones.
Then obviously if that is a total failure everyone goes.
Let's be real - ownership isn't changing. Firing Emery as well as all the coaches just seems too soon. Everyone's disgusted with this team right now but it does seem that a ton of it can be laid at the feet of the coach and the weirdo culture he's established.
I'm with you, except for the fact that Emery's very hiring of said weirdo should be a red flag for his judgement. You really want that guy making another coaching hire?
Again I'm sort of outside looking in at this point but yeah the Arians stuff is shockingly dumb.
I'd give him one more shot to get it right because frankly I don't have a replacement GM in mind that's available and could make this all better quickly. Maybe the Bears do.
I'll be honest--not hiring Arians is a mistake in retrospect. At the time, though, I liked the Trestman hire--I thought it was inspired and expected great things. I'm also not paid big bucks to make these decisions.
But this is why I feel now would be a good time to strip the whole thing and start over. When will the opportunity present itself like this? For too long this organization has a sort of out-of-step sync to it. The GM is hired but can't fire the coach right away. He replaced a guy who never had the opportunity to fire his first hire, a guy *he* was only allowed to hire (Lovie) after the guy he inherited (Jauron) was kept on and so on and so forth. It seems that the only time in this team's modern history wherein the started fresh was when they hired Jim Finks. Since then it's been this weird, stupid overlapping structure which not shockingly never seems to gain any traction.
The Hawks and Cubs have both done this in the last 6 years. I would just like to see the Bears do it.
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 12:33:58 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 12:26:33 PM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
My worthless opinion is they should let Emery clean out the coaches and bring in new guys. Give them a shot. I think SKO is right in trying to state that the talent isn't where this team should be a Super Bowl favorite this year but they're also not 5-9 national embarrassment level bad either. Fire the coaches. Try new ones.
Then obviously if that is a total failure everyone goes.
Let's be real - ownership isn't changing. Firing Emery as well as all the coaches just seems too soon. Everyone's disgusted with this team right now but it does seem that a ton of it can be laid at the feet of the coach and the weirdo culture he's established.
I'm with you, except for the fact that Emery's very hiring of said weirdo should be a red flag for his judgement. You really want that guy making another coaching hire?
Again I'm sort of outside looking in at this point but yeah the Arians stuff is shockingly dumb.
I'd give him one more shot to get it right because frankly I don't have a replacement GM in mind that's available and could make this all better quickly. Maybe the Bears do.
I'll be honest--not hiring Arians is a mistake in retrospect. At the time, though, I liked the Trestman hire--I thought it was inspired and expected great things. I'm also not paid big bucks to make these decisions.
But this is why I feel now would be a good time to strip the whole thing and start over. When will the opportunity present itself like this? For too long this organization has a sort of out-of-step sync to it. The GM is hired but can't fire the coach right away. He replaced a guy who never had the opportunity to fire his first hire, a guy *he* was only allowed to hire (Lovie) after the guy he inherited (Jauron) was kept on and so on and so forth. It seems that the only time in this team's modern history wherein the started fresh was when they hired Jim Finks. Since then it's been this weird, stupid overlapping structure which not shockingly never seems to gain any traction.
The Hawks and Cubs have both done this in the last 6 years. I would just like to see the Bears do it.
I get that. I really do. Sadly it's a lot harder to "start over" in the NFL given the way rosters and salary cap floors and everything else work. There's no real competitive advantage to be gained in the NFL from dumping a bunch of players and accruing dead money. As the Bears have shown you can try to win and still suck your way to a top ten draft pick, which, as we've discussed, may not be any better than one from 11-19.
Basically this fucking sucks and I don't see anyway this team doesn't suck for the next 3 years at a minimum regardless of who is calling the shots.
Football is the worst.
Quote from: SKO on December 16, 2014, 01:08:36 PM
Football is the worst.
Baseball and the NBA basically cover the entire calendar year. You don't even need football.
Quote from: Eli on December 16, 2014, 01:11:41 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 16, 2014, 01:08:36 PM
Football is the worst.
Baseball and the NBA Blackhawks basically cover the entire calendar year. You don't even need football or basketball.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 16, 2014, 01:25:08 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 16, 2014, 01:11:41 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 16, 2014, 01:08:36 PM
Football is the worst.
Baseball and the NBA Blackhawks basically cover the entire calendar year. You don't even need football or basketball.
I imagine Chuck just goes to various Bulls blogs to comment on how much he enjoys not commenting on Bulls blogs, because Chuck doesn't like the Bulls or the NBA. Did y'all know Chuck doesn't like the Bulls?
I, for one, am glad that Emstink passed on Arians.
Quote from: SKO on December 16, 2014, 01:35:35 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 16, 2014, 01:25:08 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 16, 2014, 01:11:41 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 16, 2014, 01:08:36 PM
Football is the worst.
Baseball and the NBA Blackhawks basically cover the entire calendar year. You don't even need football or basketball.
I imagine Chuck just goes to various Bulls blogs to comment on how much he enjoys not commenting on Bulls blogs, because Chuck doesn't like the Bulls or the NBA. Did y'all know Chuck doesn't like the Bulls?
People blog about the Bulls? Really? Other than Dan Bernstein bitching about Derrick Rose's lack of intelligence, I didn't know people talked about the Bulls. Well, since 1998.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 16, 2014, 01:41:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 16, 2014, 01:35:35 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 16, 2014, 01:25:08 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 16, 2014, 01:11:41 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 16, 2014, 01:08:36 PM
Football is the worst.
Baseball and the NBA Blackhawks basically cover the entire calendar year. You don't even need football or basketball.
I imagine Chuck just goes to various Bulls blogs to comment on how much he enjoys not commenting on Bulls blogs, because Chuck doesn't like the Bulls or the NBA. Did y'all know Chuck doesn't like the Bulls?
People blog about the Bulls? Really? Other than Dan Bernstein bitching about Derrick Rose's lack of intelligence, I didn't know people talked about the Bulls. Well, since 1998.
wrong as usual
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 01:53:27 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 16, 2014, 01:41:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 16, 2014, 01:35:35 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 16, 2014, 01:25:08 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 16, 2014, 01:11:41 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 16, 2014, 01:08:36 PM
Football is the worst.
Baseball and the NBA Blackhawks basically cover the entire calendar year. You don't even need football or basketball.
I imagine Chuck just goes to various Bulls blogs to comment on how much he enjoys not commenting on Bulls blogs, because Chuck doesn't like the Bulls or the NBA. Did y'all know Chuck doesn't like the Bulls?
People blog about the Bulls? Really? Other than Dan Bernstein bitching about Derrick Rose's lack of intelligence, I didn't know people talked about the Bulls. Well, since 1998.
wrong as usual
Let's just back away slowly before he traps us any further.
I was only talking about the Bulls to get directions on how to get away from talking about the Bulls.
Quote from: SKO on December 16, 2014, 02:00:51 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 01:53:27 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 16, 2014, 01:41:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 16, 2014, 01:35:35 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 16, 2014, 01:25:08 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 16, 2014, 01:11:41 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 16, 2014, 01:08:36 PM
Football Chuck is the worst.
Baseball and the NBA Blackhawks basically cover the entire calendar year. You don't even need football or basketball.
I imagine Chuck just goes to various Bulls blogs to comment on how much he enjoys not commenting on Bulls blogs, because Chuck doesn't like the Bulls or the NBA. Did y'all know Chuck doesn't like the Bulls?
People blog about the Bulls? Really? Other than Dan Bernstein bitching about Derrick Rose's lack of intelligence, I didn't know people talked about the Bulls. Well, since 1998.
wrong as usual
Let's just back away slowly before he traps us any further.
Fix'd.
Chuck may be the worst, but should we at least acknowledge that for a brief moment four months ago, Chuck was right?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 22, 2014, 10:16:31 PM
Just getting an early start.
Won't need this thread for at least 3 or 4 more weeks.
Broken clock?
Quote from: Brownie on December 16, 2014, 04:59:22 PM
Chuck may be the worst, but should we at least acknowledge that for a brief moment four months ago, Chuck was right?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 22, 2014, 10:16:31 PM
Just getting an early start.
Won't need this thread for at least 3 or 4 more weeks.
Broken clock?
That's kind of Chuck's bit though. Predict that something/someone is going to suck way before the evidence supports it, so that he can look like a soothsayer if it does happen.
Quote from: R-V on December 17, 2014, 09:22:27 AM
Quote from: Brownie on December 16, 2014, 04:59:22 PM
Chuck may be the worst, but should we at least acknowledge that for a brief moment four months ago, Chuck was right?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 22, 2014, 10:16:31 PM
Just getting an early start.
Won't need this thread for at least 3 or 4 more weeks.
Broken clock?
That's kind of Chuck's bit though. Predict that something/someone is going to suck way before the evidence supports it, so that he can look like a soothsayer if it does happen.
No.
My goal is to look like upside down Al.
(http://blog.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/2007/07/medium_clausen.jpg)
Jimmy time.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 17, 2014, 05:59:57 PM
(http://blog.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/2007/07/medium_clausen.jpg)
Jimmy time.
I hate this team.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 17, 2014, 07:30:42 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 17, 2014, 05:59:57 PM
(http://blog.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/2007/07/medium_clausen.jpg)
Jimmy time.
I hate this team.
Meh. I feel like one of Bobby Knight's rape victims.
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
My worthless opinion is they should let Emery clean out the coaches and bring in new guys. Give them a shot. I think SKO is right in trying to state that the talent isn't where this team should be a Super Bowl favorite this year but they're also not 5-9 national embarrassment level bad either. Fire the coaches. Try new ones.
Then obviously if that is a total failure everyone goes.
Let's be real - ownership isn't changing. Firing Emery as well as all the coaches just seems too soon. Everyone's disgusted with this team right now but it does seem that a ton of it can be laid at the feet of the coach and the weirdo culture he's established.
I'm with you, except for the fact that Emery's very hiring of said weirdo should be a red flag for his judgement. You really want that guy making another coaching hire?
If it involves driving dump trucks of money up to Bill Cowher's or Nick Saban's house, I'm for letting this guy make another coaching hire.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 17, 2014, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
My worthless opinion is they should let Emery clean out the coaches and bring in new guys. Give them a shot. I think SKO is right in trying to state that the talent isn't where this team should be a Super Bowl favorite this year but they're also not 5-9 national embarrassment level bad either. Fire the coaches. Try new ones.
Then obviously if that is a total failure everyone goes.
Let's be real - ownership isn't changing. Firing Emery as well as all the coaches just seems too soon. Everyone's disgusted with this team right now but it does seem that a ton of it can be laid at the feet of the coach and the weirdo culture he's established.
I'm with you, except for the fact that Emery's very hiring of said weirdo should be a red flag for his judgement. You really want that guy making another coaching hire?
If it involves driving dump trucks of money up to Bill Cowher's or Nick Saban's house, I'm for letting this guy make another coaching hire.
The Bears are moving into the SEC? Awesome. Because Saban hasn't won shit anywhere else. And Cutler lit up. The SEC.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 17, 2014, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
My worthless opinion is they should let Emery clean out the coaches and bring in new guys. Give them a shot. I think SKO is right in trying to state that the talent isn't where this team should be a Super Bowl favorite this year but they're also not 5-9 national embarrassment level bad either. Fire the coaches. Try new ones.
Then obviously if that is a total failure everyone goes.
Let's be real - ownership isn't changing. Firing Emery as well as all the coaches just seems too soon. Everyone's disgusted with this team right now but it does seem that a ton of it can be laid at the feet of the coach and the weirdo culture he's established.
I'm with you, except for the fact that Emery's very hiring of said weirdo should be a red flag for his judgement. You really want that guy making another coaching hire?
If it involves driving dump trucks of money up to Bill Cowher's or Nick Saban's house, I'm for letting this guy make another coaching hire.
Bill Cowher, huh? The guy that was basically Lovie Smith? Who was a head coach for 14 years before he won a title? The guy that started Kordell Stewart at quarterback for multiple seasons? The one who hasn't coached since 2006 (when he went 8-8 and was replaced by a guy who improved their record by three wins the next year and won a Superbowl the year after that) and has never had to face anything like a spread offense? The guy who many think was mostly just benefitting from one of the greatest defensive coordinators of all time and wouldn't get to bring him with him?
Can't see any problems with that strategy.
Quote from: SKO on December 18, 2014, 08:11:45 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 17, 2014, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
My worthless opinion is they should let Emery clean out the coaches and bring in new guys. Give them a shot. I think SKO is right in trying to state that the talent isn't where this team should be a Super Bowl favorite this year but they're also not 5-9 national embarrassment level bad either. Fire the coaches. Try new ones.
Then obviously if that is a total failure everyone goes.
Let's be real - ownership isn't changing. Firing Emery as well as all the coaches just seems too soon. Everyone's disgusted with this team right now but it does seem that a ton of it can be laid at the feet of the coach and the weirdo culture he's established.
I'm with you, except for the fact that Emery's very hiring of said weirdo should be a red flag for his judgement. You really want that guy making another coaching hire?
If it involves driving dump trucks of money up to Bill Cowher's or Nick Saban's house, I'm for letting this guy make another coaching hire.
Bill Cowher, huh? The guy that was basically Lovie Smith? Who was a head coach for 14 years before he won a title? The guy that started Kordell Stewart at quarterback for multiple seasons? The one who hasn't coached since 2006 (when he went 8-8 and was replaced by a guy who improved their record by three wins the next year and won a Superbowl the year after that) and has never had to face anything like a spread offense? The guy who many think was mostly just benefitting from one of the greatest defensive coordinators of all time and wouldn't get to bring him with him?
Can't see any problems with that strategy.
You also thought Cutler was a great QB, so you know what's the best it seams.
Quote from: SKO on December 18, 2014, 08:11:45 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 17, 2014, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
My worthless opinion is they should let Emery clean out the coaches and bring in new guys. Give them a shot. I think SKO is right in trying to state that the talent isn't where this team should be a Super Bowl favorite this year but they're also not 5-9 national embarrassment level bad either. Fire the coaches. Try new ones.
Then obviously if that is a total failure everyone goes.
Let's be real - ownership isn't changing. Firing Emery as well as all the coaches just seems too soon. Everyone's disgusted with this team right now but it does seem that a ton of it can be laid at the feet of the coach and the weirdo culture he's established.
I'm with you, except for the fact that Emery's very hiring of said weirdo should be a red flag for his judgement. You really want that guy making another coaching hire?
If it involves driving dump trucks of money up to Bill Cowher's or Nick Saban's house, I'm for letting this guy make another coaching hire.
Bill Cowher, huh? The guy that was basically Lovie Smith? Who was a head coach for 14 years before he won a title? The guy that started Kordell Stewart at quarterback for multiple seasons? The one who hasn't coached since 2006 (when he went 8-8 and was replaced by a guy who improved their record by three wins the next year and won a Superbowl the year after that) and has never had to face anything like a spread offense? The guy who many think was mostly just benefitting from one of the greatest defensive coordinators of all time and wouldn't get to bring him with him?
Can't see any problems with that strategy.
Bill Cowher has a mustache, though.
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on December 18, 2014, 09:13:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 18, 2014, 08:11:45 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 17, 2014, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
My worthless opinion is they should let Emery clean out the coaches and bring in new guys. Give them a shot. I think SKO is right in trying to state that the talent isn't where this team should be a Super Bowl favorite this year but they're also not 5-9 national embarrassment level bad either. Fire the coaches. Try new ones.
Then obviously if that is a total failure everyone goes.
Let's be real - ownership isn't changing. Firing Emery as well as all the coaches just seems too soon. Everyone's disgusted with this team right now but it does seem that a ton of it can be laid at the feet of the coach and the weirdo culture he's established.
I'm with you, except for the fact that Emery's very hiring of said weirdo should be a red flag for his judgement. You really want that guy making another coaching hire?
If it involves driving dump trucks of money up to Bill Cowher's or Nick Saban's house, I'm for letting this guy make another coaching hire.
Bill Cowher, huh? The guy that was basically Lovie Smith? Who was a head coach for 14 years before he won a title? The guy that started Kordell Stewart at quarterback for multiple seasons? The one who hasn't coached since 2006 (when he went 8-8 and was replaced by a guy who improved their record by three wins the next year and won a Superbowl the year after that) and has never had to face anything like a spread offense? The guy who many think was mostly just benefitting from one of the greatest defensive coordinators of all time and wouldn't get to bring him with him?
Can't see any problems with that strategy.
Bill Cowher has a mustache, though.
And a stern jawline. You can bet he doesn't tolerate bullshit.
Quote from: SKO on December 18, 2014, 09:20:12 AM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on December 18, 2014, 09:13:39 AM
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Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
My worthless opinion is they should let Emery clean out the coaches and bring in new guys. Give them a shot. I think SKO is right in trying to state that the talent isn't where this team should be a Super Bowl favorite this year but they're also not 5-9 national embarrassment level bad either. Fire the coaches. Try new ones.
Then obviously if that is a total failure everyone goes.
Let's be real - ownership isn't changing. Firing Emery as well as all the coaches just seems too soon. Everyone's disgusted with this team right now but it does seem that a ton of it can be laid at the feet of the coach and the weirdo culture he's established.
I'm with you, except for the fact that Emery's very hiring of said weirdo should be a red flag for his judgement. You really want that guy making another coaching hire?
If it involves driving dump trucks of money up to Bill Cowher's or Nick Saban's house, I'm for letting this guy make another coaching hire.
Bill Cowher, huh? The guy that was basically Lovie Smith? Who was a head coach for 14 years before he won a title? The guy that started Kordell Stewart at quarterback for multiple seasons? The one who hasn't coached since 2006 (when he went 8-8 and was replaced by a guy who improved their record by three wins the next year and won a Superbowl the year after that) and has never had to face anything like a spread offense? The guy who many think was mostly just benefitting from one of the greatest defensive coordinators of all time and wouldn't get to bring him with him?
Can't see any problems with that strategy.
Bill Cowher has a mustache, though.
And a stern jawline. You can bet he doesn't tolerate bullshit.
HIM AN DA COACH DERE BOTH FROM PENCILVANIA! JUST LISEN TO DEM TALK! LEMME TELL YA DERE CUT FROM DA SAME CLOTH MY FRENT!
Quote from: flannj on December 18, 2014, 09:40:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 18, 2014, 09:20:12 AM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on December 18, 2014, 09:13:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 18, 2014, 08:11:45 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 17, 2014, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
My worthless opinion is they should let Emery clean out the coaches and bring in new guys. Give them a shot. I think SKO is right in trying to state that the talent isn't where this team should be a Super Bowl favorite this year but they're also not 5-9 national embarrassment level bad either. Fire the coaches. Try new ones.
Then obviously if that is a total failure everyone goes.
Let's be real - ownership isn't changing. Firing Emery as well as all the coaches just seems too soon. Everyone's disgusted with this team right now but it does seem that a ton of it can be laid at the feet of the coach and the weirdo culture he's established.
I'm with you, except for the fact that Emery's very hiring of said weirdo should be a red flag for his judgement. You really want that guy making another coaching hire?
If it involves driving dump trucks of money up to Bill Cowher's or Nick Saban's house, I'm for letting this guy make another coaching hire.
Bill Cowher, huh? The guy that was basically Lovie Smith? Who was a head coach for 14 years before he won a title? The guy that started Kordell Stewart at quarterback for multiple seasons? The one who hasn't coached since 2006 (when he went 8-8 and was replaced by a guy who improved their record by three wins the next year and won a Superbowl the year after that) and has never had to face anything like a spread offense? The guy who many think was mostly just benefitting from one of the greatest defensive coordinators of all time and wouldn't get to bring him with him?
Can't see any problems with that strategy.
Bill Cowher has a mustache, though.
And a stern jawline. You can bet he doesn't tolerate bullshit.
HIM AN DA COACH DERE BOTH FROM PENCILVANIA! JUST LISEN TO DEM TALK! LEMME TELL YA DERE CUT FROM DA SAME CLOTH MY FRENT!
And both shit the tub too many times to count at home in the playoffs. Fuck Bill Cowher.
Jon Gruden was campaigning for the Bears HC job pretty blatantly the other night.
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2014, 09:52:57 AM
Jon Gruden was campaigning for the Bears HC job pretty blatantly the other night.
You mean the night he signed the seven year extension to stay with ESPN through 2021?
Quote from: SKO on December 18, 2014, 09:54:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2014, 09:52:57 AM
Jon Gruden was campaigning for the Bears HC job pretty blatantly the other night.
You mean the night he signed the seven year extension to stay with ESPN through 2021?
Yeah I took Chucky's suddenly unvarnished criticism to be a sign that he's free to speak more freely since he's off the market and doesn't need to play nice.
Quote from: SKO on December 18, 2014, 09:54:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2014, 09:52:57 AM
Jon Gruden was campaigning for the Bears HC job pretty blatantly the other night.
You mean the night he signed the seven year extension to stay with ESPN through 2021?
Jon Gruden made the playoffs at a 45% rate. Lovie was a 38%. Their winning percentage is damn close. And people still want Gruden cause he makes faces like this:
(http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/video/2009/09000d5d810aec8c_video_cp.jpg)
Quote from: SKO on December 18, 2014, 09:54:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2014, 09:52:57 AM
Jon Gruden was campaigning for the Bears HC job pretty blatantly the other night.
You mean the night he signed the seven year extension to stay with ESPN through 2021?
You don't think there's an out clause for if he gets offered a HC gig?
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2014, 10:13:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 18, 2014, 09:54:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2014, 09:52:57 AM
Jon Gruden was campaigning for the Bears HC job pretty blatantly the other night.
You mean the night he signed the seven year extension to stay with ESPN through 2021?
You don't think there's an out clause for if he gets offered a HC gig?
I bet he probably just thinks you're wrong.
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 18, 2014, 08:37:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 18, 2014, 08:11:45 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 17, 2014, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
My worthless opinion is they should let Emery clean out the coaches and bring in new guys. Give them a shot. I think SKO is right in trying to state that the talent isn't where this team should be a Super Bowl favorite this year but they're also not 5-9 national embarrassment level bad either. Fire the coaches. Try new ones.
Then obviously if that is a total failure everyone goes.
Let's be real - ownership isn't changing. Firing Emery as well as all the coaches just seems too soon. Everyone's disgusted with this team right now but it does seem that a ton of it can be laid at the feet of the coach and the weirdo culture he's established.
I'm with you, except for the fact that Emery's very hiring of said weirdo should be a red flag for his judgement. You really want that guy making another coaching hire?
If it involves driving dump trucks of money up to Bill Cowher's or Nick Saban's house, I'm for letting this guy make another coaching hire.
Bill Cowher, huh? The guy that was basically Lovie Smith? Who was a head coach for 14 years before he won a title? The guy that started Kordell Stewart at quarterback for multiple seasons? The one who hasn't coached since 2006 (when he went 8-8 and was replaced by a guy who improved their record by three wins the next year and won a Superbowl the year after that) and has never had to face anything like a spread offense? The guy who many think was mostly just benefitting from one of the greatest defensive coordinators of all time and wouldn't get to bring him with him?
Can't see any problems with that strategy.
You also thought Cutler was a great QB, so you know what's the best it seams.
Y'all can go on pretending this didn't happen, but I'm gonna validate the fuck out if it.
But for real, hiring Bill Cowher would be a BAD choice, even if he's a perfect fit for the fanbase.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 18, 2014, 10:24:26 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 18, 2014, 08:37:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 18, 2014, 08:11:45 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 17, 2014, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
My worthless opinion is they should let Emery clean out the coaches and bring in new guys. Give them a shot. I think SKO is right in trying to state that the talent isn't where this team should be a Super Bowl favorite this year but they're also not 5-9 national embarrassment level bad either. Fire the coaches. Try new ones.
Then obviously if that is a total failure everyone goes.
Let's be real - ownership isn't changing. Firing Emery as well as all the coaches just seems too soon. Everyone's disgusted with this team right now but it does seem that a ton of it can be laid at the feet of the coach and the weirdo culture he's established.
I'm with you, except for the fact that Emery's very hiring of said weirdo should be a red flag for his judgement. You really want that guy making another coaching hire?
If it involves driving dump trucks of money up to Bill Cowher's or Nick Saban's house, I'm for letting this guy make another coaching hire.
Bill Cowher, huh? The guy that was basically Lovie Smith? Who was a head coach for 14 years before he won a title? The guy that started Kordell Stewart at quarterback for multiple seasons? The one who hasn't coached since 2006 (when he went 8-8 and was replaced by a guy who improved their record by three wins the next year and won a Superbowl the year after that) and has never had to face anything like a spread offense? The guy who many think was mostly just benefitting from one of the greatest defensive coordinators of all time and wouldn't get to bring him with him?
Can't see any problems with that strategy.
You also thought Cutler was a great QB, so you know what's the best it seams.
Y'all can go on pretending this didn't happen, but I'm gonna validate the fuck out if it.
But for real, hiring Bill Cowher would be a BAD choice, even if he's a perfect fit for the fanbase.
I saw what TDubbs did and get his point, but until TDubbs wants to offer any sort of insight of his own about anything ever I think we should just continue ignoring him.
Quote from: Eli on December 18, 2014, 10:41:13 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 18, 2014, 10:24:26 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on December 18, 2014, 08:37:25 AM
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 17, 2014, 10:27:14 PM
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Quote from: Slaky on December 16, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
My worthless opinion is they should let Emery clean out the coaches and bring in new guys. Give them a shot. I think SKO is right in trying to state that the talent isn't where this team should be a Super Bowl favorite this year but they're also not 5-9 national embarrassment level bad either. Fire the coaches. Try new ones.
Then obviously if that is a total failure everyone goes.
Let's be real - ownership isn't changing. Firing Emery as well as all the coaches just seems too soon. Everyone's disgusted with this team right now but it does seem that a ton of it can be laid at the feet of the coach and the weirdo culture he's established.
I'm with you, except for the fact that Emery's very hiring of said weirdo should be a red flag for his judgement. You really want that guy making another coaching hire?
If it involves driving dump trucks of money up to Bill Cowher's or Nick Saban's house, I'm for letting this guy make another coaching hire.
Bill Cowher, huh? The guy that was basically Lovie Smith? Who was a head coach for 14 years before he won a title? The guy that started Kordell Stewart at quarterback for multiple seasons? The one who hasn't coached since 2006 (when he went 8-8 and was replaced by a guy who improved their record by three wins the next year and won a Superbowl the year after that) and has never had to face anything like a spread offense? The guy who many think was mostly just benefitting from one of the greatest defensive coordinators of all time and wouldn't get to bring him with him?
Can't see any problems with that strategy.
You also thought Cutler was a great QB, so you know what's the best it seams.
Y'all can go on pretending this didn't happen, but I'm gonna validate the fuck out if it.
But for real, hiring Bill Cowher would be a BAD choice, even if he's a perfect fit for the fanbase.
I saw what TDubbs did and get his point, but until TDubbs wants to offer any sort of insight of his own about anything ever I think we should just continue ignoring him.
I'm getting soft on TDubbs again. I deserve criticism and scorn for sure.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 18, 2014, 10:18:53 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2014, 10:13:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 18, 2014, 09:54:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2014, 09:52:57 AM
Jon Gruden was campaigning for the Bears HC job pretty blatantly the other night.
You mean the night he signed the seven year extension to stay with ESPN through 2021?
You don't think there's an out clause for if he gets offered a HC gig?
I bet he probably just thinks you're wrong.
Fine, I'm cutting off his allowance.
Where can we find a guy who won't shit in a tub during the playoffs? That seems to be the most important thing.
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2014, 11:14:46 AM
Where can we find a guy who won't shit in a tub during the playoffs? That seems to be the most important thing.
I think Pete Carroll is the only name on that list.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 18, 2014, 11:29:33 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2014, 11:14:46 AM
Where can we find a guy who won't shit in a tub during the playoffs? That seems to be the most important thing.
I think Pete Carroll is the only name on that list.
I mean is any coach who loses playoff games a bad coach? That means every coach sucks except Pete Carroll who will eventually lose a playoff game.
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2014, 11:31:16 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 18, 2014, 11:29:33 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2014, 11:14:46 AM
Where can we find a guy who won't shit in a tub during the playoffs? That seems to be the most important thing.
I think Pete Carroll is the only name on that list.
I mean is any coach who loses playoff games a bad coach? That means every coach sucks except Pete Carroll who will eventually lose a playoff game.
Carroll lost to the Bears in 2010, but that's beside the point.
Ditka's season ended on Soldier Field turf in the playoffs 3 years in a row (86-88) and in 1991. Cowher's Steelers lost 4 times at home in Conference title games. Obviously these guys were good enough coaches to get their teams into the playoffs (well, in Ditka's case I'm not so sure how good he was to run rampant over a limp-dick short bus NFC Central with 4 eventual Hall of Famers on his roster but follow me here) but I point to the fact that they lost in spite of their earned advantages as proof that they're...oh I don't know...maybe a little overrated.
But my real beef is with these "character" coaches who have facial hair and who like to yell and fire up any town's meatball fanbase. I'm automatically repelled by these asshats and though my instinctive opposition to these coaches is probably in reaction to the dumbass fanbase I think there's some validity to the assertion that they're simply Point A to Point B guys who burn out. Bill Walsh, Bill Belichek, Chuck Noll and Tom Landry have all won multiple Super Bowls and none of those guys were known as yelling douchebags like this clown Cowher.
So I point to the fact that he loses big games to inure me against idiots. I know how abhorrent you find the idea of measuring coaches by championships so I guess my only reply to you is I dunno go eat shit I don't fucking like Bill Cowher okay.
Quote from: PANK! on December 18, 2014, 11:45:04 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2014, 11:31:16 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 18, 2014, 11:29:33 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2014, 11:14:46 AM
Where can we find a guy who won't shit in a tub during the playoffs? That seems to be the most important thing.
I think Pete Carroll is the only name on that list.
I mean is any coach who loses playoff games a bad coach? That means every coach sucks except Pete Carroll who will eventually lose a playoff game.
Carroll lost to the Bears in 2010, but that's beside the point.
Ditka's season ended on Soldier Field turf in the playoffs 3 years in a row (86-88) and in 1991. Cowher's Steelers lost 4 times at home in Conference title games. Obviously these guys were good enough coaches to get their teams into the playoffs (well, in Ditka's case I'm not so sure how good he was to run rampant over a limp-dick short bus NFC Central with 4 eventual Hall of Famers on his roster but follow me here) but I point to the fact that they lost in spite of their earned advantages as proof that they're...oh I don't know...maybe a little overrated.
But my real beef is with these "character" coaches who have facial hair and who like to yell and fire up any town's meatball fanbase. I'm automatically repelled by these asshats and though my instinctive opposition to these coaches is probably in reaction to the dumbass fanbase I think there's some validity to the assertion that they're simply Point A to Point B guys who burn out. Bill Walsh, Bill Belichek, Chuck Noll and Tom Landry have all won multiple Super Bowls and none of those guys were known as yelling douchebags like this clown Cowher.
So I point to the fact that he loses big games to inure me against idiots. I know how abhorrent you find the idea of measuring coaches by championships so I guess my only reply to you is I dunno go eat shit I don't fucking like Bill Cowher okay.
I don't care about Bill Cowher but I do enjoy watching you meatball
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2014, 11:54:50 AM
Quote from: PANK! on December 18, 2014, 11:45:04 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2014, 11:31:16 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 18, 2014, 11:29:33 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2014, 11:14:46 AM
Where can we find a guy who won't shit in a tub during the playoffs? That seems to be the most important thing.
I think Pete Carroll is the only name on that list.
I mean is any coach who loses playoff games a bad coach? That means every coach sucks except Pete Carroll who will eventually lose a playoff game.
Carroll lost to the Bears in 2010, but that's beside the point.
Ditka's season ended on Soldier Field turf in the playoffs 3 years in a row (86-88) and in 1991. Cowher's Steelers lost 4 times at home in Conference title games. Obviously these guys were good enough coaches to get their teams into the playoffs (well, in Ditka's case I'm not so sure how good he was to run rampant over a limp-dick short bus NFC Central with 4 eventual Hall of Famers on his roster but follow me here) but I point to the fact that they lost in spite of their earned advantages as proof that they're...oh I don't know...maybe a little overrated.
But my real beef is with these "character" coaches who have facial hair and who like to yell and fire up any town's meatball fanbase. I'm automatically repelled by these asshats and though my instinctive opposition to these coaches is probably in reaction to the dumbass fanbase I think there's some validity to the assertion that they're simply Point A to Point B guys who burn out. Bill Walsh, Bill Belichek, Chuck Noll and Tom Landry have all won multiple Super Bowls and none of those guys were known as yelling douchebags like this clown Cowher.
So I point to the fact that he loses big games to inure me against idiots. I know how abhorrent you find the idea of measuring coaches by championships so I guess my only reply to you is I dunno go eat shit I don't fucking like Bill Cowher okay.
I don't care about Bill Cowher but I do enjoy watching you meatball
Even if you thought Bill Cowher was a fantastic coach (he wasn't, though he was a good coach) he hasn't coached in the NFL in 8 years. It's a pretty different league than the one he left, even if he's still been watching.
He's not the answer at all.
They should trade a 3rd round pick to get Harbaugh (assuming he doesn't go to Michigan) or they should tap one of the top coordinators out there.
And by "out there" I mean, like..in the United States this time.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 18, 2014, 11:58:13 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2014, 11:54:50 AM
Quote from: PANK! on December 18, 2014, 11:45:04 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2014, 11:31:16 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 18, 2014, 11:29:33 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2014, 11:14:46 AM
Where can we find a guy who won't shit in a tub during the playoffs? That seems to be the most important thing.
I think Pete Carroll is the only name on that list.
I mean is any coach who loses playoff games a bad coach? That means every coach sucks except Pete Carroll who will eventually lose a playoff game.
Carroll lost to the Bears in 2010, but that's beside the point.
Ditka's season ended on Soldier Field turf in the playoffs 3 years in a row (86-88) and in 1991. Cowher's Steelers lost 4 times at home in Conference title games. Obviously these guys were good enough coaches to get their teams into the playoffs (well, in Ditka's case I'm not so sure how good he was to run rampant over a limp-dick short bus NFC Central with 4 eventual Hall of Famers on his roster but follow me here) but I point to the fact that they lost in spite of their earned advantages as proof that they're...oh I don't know...maybe a little overrated.
But my real beef is with these "character" coaches who have facial hair and who like to yell and fire up any town's meatball fanbase. I'm automatically repelled by these asshats and though my instinctive opposition to these coaches is probably in reaction to the dumbass fanbase I think there's some validity to the assertion that they're simply Point A to Point B guys who burn out. Bill Walsh, Bill Belichek, Chuck Noll and Tom Landry have all won multiple Super Bowls and none of those guys were known as yelling douchebags like this clown Cowher.
So I point to the fact that he loses big games to inure me against idiots. I know how abhorrent you find the idea of measuring coaches by championships so I guess my only reply to you is I dunno go eat shit I don't fucking like Bill Cowher okay.
I don't care about Bill Cowher but I do enjoy watching you meatball
Even if you thought Bill Cowher was a fantastic coach (he wasn't, though he was a good coach) he hasn't coached in the NFL in 8 years. It's a pretty different league than the one he left, even if he's still been watching.
He's not the answer at all.
They should trade a 3rd round pick to get Harbaugh (assuming he doesn't go to Michigan) or they should tap one of the top coordinators out there.
And by "out there" I mean, like..in the United States this time.
On a side note, I really hope Harbaugh doesn't take the Michigan job because the outpouring of asshurt from the local Wolverine contingent will be tremendous.
Quote from: CT III on December 18, 2014, 12:14:54 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 18, 2014, 11:58:13 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2014, 11:54:50 AM
Quote from: PANK! on December 18, 2014, 11:45:04 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2014, 11:31:16 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 18, 2014, 11:29:33 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2014, 11:14:46 AM
Where can we find a guy who won't shit in a tub during the playoffs? That seems to be the most important thing.
I think Pete Carroll is the only name on that list.
I mean is any coach who loses playoff games a bad coach? That means every coach sucks except Pete Carroll who will eventually lose a playoff game.
Carroll lost to the Bears in 2010, but that's beside the point.
Ditka's season ended on Soldier Field turf in the playoffs 3 years in a row (86-88) and in 1991. Cowher's Steelers lost 4 times at home in Conference title games. Obviously these guys were good enough coaches to get their teams into the playoffs (well, in Ditka's case I'm not so sure how good he was to run rampant over a limp-dick short bus NFC Central with 4 eventual Hall of Famers on his roster but follow me here) but I point to the fact that they lost in spite of their earned advantages as proof that they're...oh I don't know...maybe a little overrated.
But my real beef is with these "character" coaches who have facial hair and who like to yell and fire up any town's meatball fanbase. I'm automatically repelled by these asshats and though my instinctive opposition to these coaches is probably in reaction to the dumbass fanbase I think there's some validity to the assertion that they're simply Point A to Point B guys who burn out. Bill Walsh, Bill Belichek, Chuck Noll and Tom Landry have all won multiple Super Bowls and none of those guys were known as yelling douchebags like this clown Cowher.
So I point to the fact that he loses big games to inure me against idiots. I know how abhorrent you find the idea of measuring coaches by championships so I guess my only reply to you is I dunno go eat shit I don't fucking like Bill Cowher okay.
I don't care about Bill Cowher but I do enjoy watching you meatball
Even if you thought Bill Cowher was a fantastic coach (he wasn't, though he was a good coach) he hasn't coached in the NFL in 8 years. It's a pretty different league than the one he left, even if he's still been watching.
He's not the answer at all.
They should trade a 3rd round pick to get Harbaugh (assuming he doesn't go to Michigan) or they should tap one of the top coordinators out there.
And by "out there" I mean, like..in the United States this time.
On a side note, I really hope Harbaugh doesn't take the Michigan job because the outpouring of asshurt from the local Wolverine contingent will be tremendous.
Too bad the Ohio State job isn't available.
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2014, 12:29:47 PM
Quote from: CT III on December 18, 2014, 12:14:54 PM
On a side note, I really hope Harbaugh doesn't take the Michigan job because the outpouring of asshurt from the local Wolverine contingent will be tremendous.
Too bad the Ohio State job isn't available.
*Makes mental note to punch CT and Fork in the face next I see them. Adds large tube of Desitin to shopping list.*
Quote from: flannj on December 19, 2014, 10:40:37 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2014, 12:29:47 PM
Quote from: CT III on December 18, 2014, 12:14:54 PM
On a side note, I really hope Harbaugh doesn't take the Michigan job because the outpouring of asshurt from the local Wolverine contingent will be tremendous.
Too bad the Ohio State job isn't available.
*Makes mental note to punch CT and Fork in the face next I see them. Adds large tube of Desitin to shopping list.*
Looks like someone just uninvited himself from the Puckcast.
Quote from: Oleg on December 19, 2014, 11:07:07 AM
Quote from: flannj on December 19, 2014, 10:40:37 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2014, 12:29:47 PM
Quote from: CT III on December 18, 2014, 12:14:54 PM
On a side note, I really hope Harbaugh doesn't take the Michigan job because the outpouring of asshurt from the local Wolverine contingent will be tremendous.
Too bad the Ohio State job isn't available.
*Makes mental note to punch CT and Fork in the face next I see them. Adds large tube of Desitin to shopping list.*
Looks like someone just uninvited himself from the Puckcast.
Pfft. Any time flannj wants to come on, he's welcome.
It doesn't matter what happens in the second half... let the meatball begin.
/Clausen era.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/956/7964832096.jpg)
Sure seems like it would make more sense to start Fales, but considering no one in this organization knows fuck about anything, back to Cutler.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 22, 2014, 01:39:21 PM
/Clausen era.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/956/7964832096.jpg)
Sure seems like it would make more sense to start Fales, but considering no one in this organization knows fuck about anything, back to Cutler.
....wha...why? WHY? THIS IS SOMEHOW DUMBER THAN BENCHING HIM.
Quote from: SKO on December 22, 2014, 02:03:08 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 22, 2014, 01:39:21 PM
/Clausen era.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/956/7964832096.jpg)
Sure seems like it would make more sense to start Fales, but considering no one in this organization knows fuck about anything, back to Cutler.
....wha...why? WHY? THIS IS SOMEHOW DUMBER THAN BENCHING HIM.
I assume you're missing Clausen's concussion in this response, but I still don't see why they'd go back to Cutler, even if Clausen isn't playing.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 22, 2014, 02:17:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 22, 2014, 02:03:08 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 22, 2014, 01:39:21 PM
/Clausen era.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/956/7964832096.jpg)
Sure seems like it would make more sense to start Fales, but considering no one in this organization knows fuck about anything, back to Cutler.
....wha...why? WHY? THIS IS SOMEHOW DUMBER THAN BENCHING HIM.
I assume you're missing Clausen's concussion in this response, but I still don't see why they'd go back to Cutler, even if Clausen isn't playing.
I did miss that, but yeah, you can't bench Cutler then throw him back out there regardless. Start Fales and sign Jordan Palmer to back him up for all I care.
Quote from: SKO on December 22, 2014, 02:21:04 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 22, 2014, 02:17:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 22, 2014, 02:03:08 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 22, 2014, 01:39:21 PM
/Clausen era.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/956/7964832096.jpg)
Sure seems like it would make more sense to start Fales, but considering no one in this organization knows fuck about anything, back to Cutler.
....wha...why? WHY? THIS IS SOMEHOW DUMBER THAN BENCHING HIM.
I assume you're missing Clausen's concussion in this response, but I still don't see why they'd go back to Cutler, even if Clausen isn't playing.
I did miss that, but yeah, you can't bench Cutler then throw him back out there regardless. Start Fales and sign Jordan Palmer to back him up for all I care.
You must have missed the exhilarating Jaguars-Titans Thursday night game last week, where Jordan Palmer was
Jake Locker's Zach Mettenberger's Charlie Whitehurst's back-up.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 22, 2014, 02:25:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 22, 2014, 02:21:04 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 22, 2014, 02:17:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 22, 2014, 02:03:08 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 22, 2014, 01:39:21 PM
/Clausen era.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/956/7964832096.jpg)
Sure seems like it would make more sense to start Fales, but considering no one in this organization knows fuck about anything, back to Cutler.
....wha...why? WHY? THIS IS SOMEHOW DUMBER THAN BENCHING HIM.
I assume you're missing Clausen's concussion in this response, but I still don't see why they'd go back to Cutler, even if Clausen isn't playing.
I did miss that, but yeah, you can't bench Cutler then throw him back out there regardless. Start Fales and sign Jordan Palmer to back him up for all I care.
You must have missed the exhilarating Jaguars-Titans Thursday night game last week, where Jordan Palmer was Jake Locker's Zach Mettenberger's Charlie Whitehurst's back-up.
oh man. I go away for a while and the whole world falls apart.
Quote from: SKO on December 22, 2014, 03:16:24 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 22, 2014, 02:25:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 22, 2014, 02:21:04 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 22, 2014, 02:17:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 22, 2014, 02:03:08 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 22, 2014, 01:39:21 PM
/Clausen era.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/956/7964832096.jpg)
Sure seems like it would make more sense to start Fales, but considering no one in this organization knows fuck about anything, back to Cutler.
....wha...why? WHY? THIS IS SOMEHOW DUMBER THAN BENCHING HIM.
I assume you're missing Clausen's concussion in this response, but I still don't see why they'd go back to Cutler, even if Clausen isn't playing.
I did miss that, but yeah, you can't bench Cutler then throw him back out there regardless. Start Fales and sign Jordan Palmer to back him up for all I care.
You must have missed the exhilarating Jaguars-Titans Thursday night game last week, where Jordan Palmer was Jake Locker's Zach Mettenberger's Charlie Whitehurst's back-up.
oh man. I go away for a while and the whole world falls apart.
I say start Fales, with Marc Trestman himself as the backup.
Quote from: SKO on December 22, 2014, 02:21:04 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 22, 2014, 02:17:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 22, 2014, 02:03:08 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 22, 2014, 01:39:21 PM
/Clausen era.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/956/7964832096.jpg)
Sure seems like it would make more sense to start Fales, but considering no one in this organization knows fuck about anything, back to Cutler.
....wha...why? WHY? THIS IS SOMEHOW DUMBER THAN BENCHING HIM.
I assume you're missing Clausen's concussion in this response, but I still don't see why they'd go back to Cutler, even if Clausen isn't playing.
I did miss that, but yeah, you can't bench Cutler then throw him back out there regardless. Start Fales and sign Jordan Palmer TIM TIVO to back him up for all I care.
Throwing CT a bone'd.
Quote from: Fork on December 23, 2014, 09:48:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 22, 2014, 02:21:04 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 22, 2014, 02:17:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 22, 2014, 02:03:08 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 22, 2014, 01:39:21 PM
/Clausen era.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/956/7964832096.jpg)
Sure seems like it would make more sense to start Fales, but considering no one in this organization knows fuck about anything, back to Cutler.
....wha...why? WHY? THIS IS SOMEHOW DUMBER THAN BENCHING HIM.
I assume you're missing Clausen's concussion in this response, but I still don't see why they'd go back to Cutler, even if Clausen isn't playing.
I did miss that, but yeah, you can't bench Cutler then throw him back out there regardless. Start Fales and sign Jordan Palmer TIM TIVO to back him up for all I care.
Throwing CT a bone'd.
Cutler didn't get hurt, and the Bears lost and avoided a worse draft position than Minnesota. Somehow it all worked out.
And Aaron Rodgers on one leg is still more of a QB than Cutler, at peak health, could ever be.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 28, 2014, 05:52:57 PM
And Aaron Rodgers on one leg is still more of a QB than Cutler, at peak health, could ever be.
I think everyone here, even SKO, would agree with that.
The 49ers and Jim Harbaugh basically tore up his contract, no trade to worry about, no compensation to SF (SC, for Stew). Helps a little. Still hoping the Bears manage to pull this off but I doubt it.
Quote from: Eli on December 28, 2014, 07:26:48 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 28, 2014, 05:52:57 PM
And Aaron Rodgers on one leg is still more of a QB than Cutler, at peak health, could ever be.
I think everyone here, even SKO, would agree with that.
I am impressed mostly with this straw man he has concocted who argues that anyone, let alone Cutler, is as good or even close to as good as Rodgers. I must say he's really got that dude dead to rights.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 28, 2014, 08:04:46 PM
The 49ers and Jim Harbaugh basically tore up his contract, no trade to worry about, no compensation to SF (SC, for Stew). Helps a little. Still hoping the Bears manage to pull this off but I doubt it.
The name 49er refers to the folks who came for the California Gold Rush in 1849. I like to say that I was a 49er, because my family moved here in 1949. The spot where the stadium is was occupied by plum trees in 1949. The majority of the plums were dried to become prunes. There is a message here, but I don't know what it is. I have an onion tied to my belt. That was the style in 1949.
Quote from: CBStew on December 29, 2014, 05:25:14 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 28, 2014, 08:04:46 PM
The 49ers and Jim Harbaugh basically tore up his contract, no trade to worry about, no compensation to SF (SC, for Stew). Helps a little. Still hoping the Bears manage to pull this off but I doubt it.
The name 49er refers to the folks who came for the California Gold Rush in 1849. I like to say that I was a 49er, because my family moved here in 1949. The spot where the stadium is was occupied by plum trees in 1949. The majority of the plums were dried to become prunes. There is a message here, but I don't know what it is. I have an onion tied to my belt. That was the style in 1949.
That's the Stew I like to see. Good game.
1. I have no idea how to even know if someone unfollows me.
2. This team, man. (http://deadspin.com/two-bears-are-maybe-seriously-fighting-about-twitter-un-1679294822?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)
Quote from: PenFoe on January 13, 2015, 03:49:23 PM
1. I have no idea how to even know if someone unfollows me.
2. This team, man. (http://deadspin.com/two-bears-are-maybe-seriously-fighting-about-twitter-un-1679294822?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)
For all of my lack of give-a-damn about shit like locker room turmoil and TEAM CANCERS, I think it's pretty obvious the 2014 Bears dissolved into a bunch of slapdicks who couldn't give a shit about each other or their coaches by about week 4, and I don't think that helped.
Turns out Marty B is just a crazy asshole, Brandon Marshall is a distraction, Jay Cutler is overpaid, and I hate all of you and everything.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 13, 2015, 03:49:23 PM
1. I have no idea how to even know if someone unfollows me.
I've seen people on teh Twitters talk about how they lost followers after such-and-such tweet and I wonder the same goddamn thing--how the hell are these narcissistic fuckmonkeys constantly able to keep tabs on lost followers?
Quote from: PANK! on January 13, 2015, 08:13:59 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 13, 2015, 03:49:23 PM
1. I have no idea how to even know if someone unfollows me.
I've seen people on teh Twitters talk about how they lost followers after such-and-such tweet and I wonder the same goddamn thing--how the hell are these narcissistic fuckmonkeys constantly able to keep tabs on lost followers?
There are sites where you can sign up and they'll monitor it for you. As to why anyone would care enough to do that, I don't know.
Quote from: Eli on January 13, 2015, 09:57:00 PM
Quote from: PANK! on January 13, 2015, 08:13:59 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 13, 2015, 03:49:23 PM
1. I have no idea how to even know if someone unfollows me.
I've seen people on teh Twitters talk about how they lost followers after such-and-such tweet and I wonder the same goddamn thing--how the hell are these narcissistic fuckmonkeys constantly able to keep tabs on lost followers?
There are sites where you can sign up and they'll monitor it for you. As to why anyone would care enough to do that, I don't know.
Well, if you don't monitor that stuff how are you going to grow your #brand?
Quote from: CT III on January 13, 2015, 10:28:31 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 13, 2015, 09:57:00 PM
Quote from: PANK! on January 13, 2015, 08:13:59 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 13, 2015, 03:49:23 PM
1. I have no idea how to even know if someone unfollows me.
I've seen people on teh Twitters talk about how they lost followers after such-and-such tweet and I wonder the same goddamn thing--how the hell are these narcissistic fuckmonkeys constantly able to keep tabs on lost followers?
There are sites where you can sign up and they'll monitor it for you. As to why anyone would care enough to do that, I don't know.
Well, if you don't monitor that stuff how are you going to grow your #brand?
Mostly I find tweeting about Holiday Road or GI Joe cartoons helps.
Quote from: Bort on January 13, 2015, 11:32:44 PM
Quote from: CT III on January 13, 2015, 10:28:31 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 13, 2015, 09:57:00 PM
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Quote from: PenFoe on January 13, 2015, 03:49:23 PM
1. I have no idea how to even know if someone unfollows me.
I've seen people on teh Twitters talk about how they lost followers after such-and-such tweet and I wonder the same goddamn thing--how the hell are these narcissistic fuckmonkeys constantly able to keep tabs on lost followers?
There are sites where you can sign up and they'll monitor it for you. As to why anyone would care enough to do that, I don't know.
Well, if you don't monitor that stuff how are you going to grow your #brand?
Mostly I find tweeting about Holiday Road or GI Joe cartoons helps.
This #SocialMedia Pioneer who followed me on Twitter yesterday might have some tips to share:
(http://i.imgur.com/NocNSen.png)
"Top 25 Amazon. 'Sup."
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on January 14, 2015, 10:19:37 AM
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Quote from: PenFoe on January 13, 2015, 03:49:23 PM
1. I have no idea how to even know if someone unfollows me.
I've seen people on teh Twitters talk about how they lost followers after such-and-such tweet and I wonder the same goddamn thing--how the hell are these narcissistic fuckmonkeys constantly able to keep tabs on lost followers?
There are sites where you can sign up and they'll monitor it for you. As to why anyone would care enough to do that, I don't know.
Well, if you don't monitor that stuff how are you going to grow your #brand?
Mostly I find tweeting about Holiday Road or GI Joe cartoons helps.
This #SocialMedia Pioneer who followed me on Twitter yesterday might have some tips to share:
(http://i.imgur.com/NocNSen.png)
"Top 25 Amazon. 'Sup."
(||) @ #snowballcircle
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on January 14, 2015, 10:19:37 AM
Quote from: Bort on January 13, 2015, 11:32:44 PM
Quote from: CT III on January 13, 2015, 10:28:31 PM
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Quote from: PANK! on January 13, 2015, 08:13:59 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 13, 2015, 03:49:23 PM
1. I have no idea how to even know if someone unfollows me.
I've seen people on teh Twitters talk about how they lost followers after such-and-such tweet and I wonder the same goddamn thing--how the hell are these narcissistic fuckmonkeys constantly able to keep tabs on lost followers?
There are sites where you can sign up and they'll monitor it for you. As to why anyone would care enough to do that, I don't know.
Well, if you don't monitor that stuff how are you going to grow your #brand?
Mostly I find tweeting about Holiday Road or GI Joe cartoons helps.
This #SocialMedia Pioneer who followed me on Twitter yesterday might have some tips to share:
(http://i.imgur.com/NocNSen.png)
"Top 25 Amazon. 'Sup."
Wow, look at this asshole. Social media drones are the worst. And Orlando sucks.
Quote from: CT III on January 13, 2015, 10:28:31 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 13, 2015, 09:57:00 PM
Quote from: PANK! on January 13, 2015, 08:13:59 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 13, 2015, 03:49:23 PM
1. I have no idea how to even know if someone unfollows me.
I've seen people on teh Twitters talk about how they lost followers after such-and-such tweet and I wonder the same goddamn thing--how the hell are these narcissistic fuckmonkeys constantly able to keep tabs on lost followers?
There are sites where you can sign up and they'll monitor it for you. As to why anyone would care enough to do that, I don't know.
Well, if you don't monitor that stuff how are you going to grow your #brand?
#HotTakes natch.
Fangio is a great hire.
They're still shitty.
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 10:16:59 AM
Fangio is a great hire.
They're still shitty.
If there turns out to be any substance whatsoever to the Charlie Weis rumor I'm sticking with this.
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 03:58:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 10:16:59 AM
Fangio is a great hire.
They're still shitty.
If there turns out to be any substance whatsoever to the Charlie Weis rumor I'm sticking with this.
Yeah, we're fucked
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 04:18:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 03:58:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 10:16:59 AM
Fangio is a great hire.
They're still shitty.
If there turns out to be any substance whatsoever to the Charlie Weis rumor I'm sticking with this.
Yeah, we're fucked
Jesus, just hire Chudzinski before you fuck this up.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 20, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 04:18:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 03:58:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 10:16:59 AM
Fangio is a great hire.
They're still shitty.
If there turns out to be any substance whatsoever to the Charlie Weis rumor I'm sticking with this.
Yeah, we're fucked
Jesus, just hire Chudzinski before you fuck this up.
Pen, SKO and SKO were having a conversation. It's rude to interrupt.
Quote from: Bort on January 20, 2015, 06:49:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 20, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 04:18:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 03:58:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 10:16:59 AM
Fangio is a great hire.
They're still shitty.
If there turns out to be any substance whatsoever to the Charlie Weis rumor I'm sticking with this.
Yeah, we're fucked
Jesus, just hire Chudzinski before you fuck this up.
Pen, SKO and SKO were having a conversation. It's rude to interrupt.
You're just lucky I'm not listening to other SKO when he tells me to smash a rock upside your head, Bort.
Quote from: SKO on January 21, 2015, 08:10:50 AM
Quote from: Bort on January 20, 2015, 06:49:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 20, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 04:18:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 03:58:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 10:16:59 AM
Fangio is a great hire.
They're still shitty.
If there turns out to be any substance whatsoever to the Charlie Weis rumor I'm sticking with this.
Yeah, we're fucked
Jesus, just hire Chudzinski before you fuck this up.
Pen, SKO and SKO were having a conversation. It's rude to interrupt.
You're just lucky I'm not listening to other SKO when he tells me to smash a rock upside your head, Bort.
Well, the Colts won't let Chud out of his contract, even for promotions. Dicks.
So, the Bears are probably fucked.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 21, 2015, 11:04:10 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 21, 2015, 08:10:50 AM
Quote from: Bort on January 20, 2015, 06:49:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 20, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 04:18:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 03:58:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 10:16:59 AM
Fangio is a great hire.
They're still shitty.
If there turns out to be any substance whatsoever to the Charlie Weis rumor I'm sticking with this.
Yeah, we're fucked
Jesus, just hire Chudzinski before you fuck this up.
Pen, SKO and SKO were having a conversation. It's rude to interrupt.
You're just lucky I'm not listening to other SKO when he tells me to smash a rock upside your head, Bort.
Well, the Colts won't let Chud out of his contract, even for promotions. Dicks.
So, the Bears are probably fucked.
Technically the NFL only distinguished between assistants and Head Coach, so the only "promotion" Chud could get is a head job.
sounds like the pick is Gase. Who is basically a blank slate. I can't say he's bad or good, he's just a guy that happened to coach Peyton Manning, who calls his own plays. Mike McCoy has been okay offensively on his own so maybe Gase will.
Quote from: SKO on January 21, 2015, 11:20:52 AM
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Quote from: SKO on January 21, 2015, 08:10:50 AM
Quote from: Bort on January 20, 2015, 06:49:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 20, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
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Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 03:58:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 10:16:59 AM
Fangio is a great hire.
They're still shitty.
If there turns out to be any substance whatsoever to the Charlie Weis rumor I'm sticking with this.
Yeah, we're fucked
Jesus, just hire Chudzinski before you fuck this up.
Pen, SKO and SKO were having a conversation. It's rude to interrupt.
You're just lucky I'm not listening to other SKO when he tells me to smash a rock upside your head, Bort.
Well, the Colts won't let Chud out of his contract, even for promotions. Dicks.
So, the Bears are probably fucked.
Technically the NFL only distinguished between assistants and Head Coach, so the only "promotion" Chud could get is a head job.
sounds like the pick is Gase. Who is basically a blank slate. I can't say he's bad or good, he's just a guy that happened to coach Peyton Manning, who calls his own plays. Mike McCoy has been okay offensively on his own so maybe Gase will.
Maybe they should just hire your boy Trestman for a year, fire him for a year, then re-hire him for another year, and repeat until chammionsheep comes to the Chi.
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on January 21, 2015, 11:57:58 AM
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Quote from: Bort on January 20, 2015, 06:49:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 20, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
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Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 03:58:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 10:16:59 AM
Fangio is a great hire.
They're still shitty.
If there turns out to be any substance whatsoever to the Charlie Weis rumor I'm sticking with this.
Yeah, we're fucked
Jesus, just hire Chudzinski before you fuck this up.
Pen, SKO and SKO were having a conversation. It's rude to interrupt.
You're just lucky I'm not listening to other SKO when he tells me to smash a rock upside your head, Bort.
Well, the Colts won't let Chud out of his contract, even for promotions. Dicks.
So, the Bears are probably fucked.
Technically the NFL only distinguished between assistants and Head Coach, so the only "promotion" Chud could get is a head job.
sounds like the pick is Gase. Who is basically a blank slate. I can't say he's bad or good, he's just a guy that happened to coach Peyton Manning, who calls his own plays. Mike McCoy has been okay offensively on his own so maybe Gase will.
Maybe they should just hire your boy Trestman for a year, fire him for a year, then re-hire him for another year, and repeat until chammionsheep comes to the Chi.
Just read that Chud's contract actually expires in a week, so they could wait. Not sure exactly what Indy's end-game is here if they're not letting him interview but only have him under contract for another week. Sounds like a Drunk Irsay strategy.
Gase deserves a heck of a lot of credit for turning the Broncos into a power run team (with their 3rd string RB) down the stretch when Manning lost his strength, but that's about all we know about him, beyond him obviously being a terrible interview, considering he's been passed over for every job he's been connected to this off season.
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Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 03:58:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 10:16:59 AM
Fangio is a great hire.
They're still shitty.
If there turns out to be any substance whatsoever to the Charlie Weis rumor I'm sticking with this.
Yeah, we're fucked
Jesus, just hire Chudzinski before you fuck this up.
Pen, SKO and SKO were having a conversation. It's rude to interrupt.
You're just lucky I'm not listening to other SKO when he tells me to smash a rock upside your head, Bort.
Well, the Colts won't let Chud out of his contract, even for promotions. Dicks.
So, the Bears are probably fucked.
Technically the NFL only distinguished between assistants and Head Coach, so the only "promotion" Chud could get is a head job.
sounds like the pick is Gase. Who is basically a blank slate. I can't say he's bad or good, he's just a guy that happened to coach Peyton Manning, who calls his own plays. Mike McCoy has been okay offensively on his own so maybe Gase will.
Maybe they should just hire your boy Trestman for a year, fire him for a year, then re-hire him for another year, and repeat until chammionsheep comes to the Chi.
Just read that Chud's contract actually expires in a week, so they could wait. Not sure exactly what Indy's end-game is here if they're not letting him interview but only have him under contract for another week. Sounds like a Drunk Irsay strategy.
Gase deserves a heck of a lot of credit for turning the Broncos into a power run team (with their 3rd string RB) down the stretch when Manning lost his strength, but that's about all we know about him, beyond him obviously being a terrible interview, considering he's been passed over for every job he's been connected to this off season.
I just want someone who will run the ball to set up play action, really.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 21, 2015, 01:09:13 PM
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Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 03:58:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 10:16:59 AM
Fangio is a great hire.
They're still shitty.
If there turns out to be any substance whatsoever to the Charlie Weis rumor I'm sticking with this.
Yeah, we're fucked
Jesus, just hire Chudzinski before you fuck this up.
Pen, SKO and SKO were having a conversation. It's rude to interrupt.
You're just lucky I'm not listening to other SKO when he tells me to smash a rock upside your head, Bort.
Well, the Colts won't let Chud out of his contract, even for promotions. Dicks.
So, the Bears are probably fucked.
Technically the NFL only distinguished between assistants and Head Coach, so the only "promotion" Chud could get is a head job.
sounds like the pick is Gase. Who is basically a blank slate. I can't say he's bad or good, he's just a guy that happened to coach Peyton Manning, who calls his own plays. Mike McCoy has been okay offensively on his own so maybe Gase will.
Maybe they should just hire your boy Trestman for a year, fire him for a year, then re-hire him for another year, and repeat until chammionsheep comes to the Chi.
Just read that Chud's contract actually expires in a week, so they could wait. Not sure exactly what Indy's end-game is here if they're not letting him interview but only have him under contract for another week. Sounds like a Drunk Irsay strategy.
Gase deserves a heck of a lot of credit for turning the Broncos into a power run team (with their 3rd string RB) down the stretch when Manning lost his strength, but that's about all we know about him, beyond him obviously being a terrible interview, considering he's been passed over for every job he's been connected to this off season.
They probably think the NFL should penalize the Patriots for the deflated ball trick by letting them go to the Super Bowl instead. So, yeah. The second part.
Quote from: SKO on January 21, 2015, 01:17:57 PM
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Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 03:58:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 10:16:59 AM
Fangio is a great hire.
They're still shitty.
If there turns out to be any substance whatsoever to the Charlie Weis rumor I'm sticking with this.
Yeah, we're fucked
Jesus, just hire Chudzinski before you fuck this up.
Pen, SKO and SKO were having a conversation. It's rude to interrupt.
You're just lucky I'm not listening to other SKO when he tells me to smash a rock upside your head, Bort.
Well, the Colts won't let Chud out of his contract, even for promotions. Dicks.
So, the Bears are probably fucked.
Technically the NFL only distinguished between assistants and Head Coach, so the only "promotion" Chud could get is a head job.
sounds like the pick is Gase. Who is basically a blank slate. I can't say he's bad or good, he's just a guy that happened to coach Peyton Manning, who calls his own plays. Mike McCoy has been okay offensively on his own so maybe Gase will.
Maybe they should just hire your boy Trestman for a year, fire him for a year, then re-hire him for another year, and repeat until chammionsheep comes to the Chi.
Just read that Chud's contract actually expires in a week, so they could wait. Not sure exactly what Indy's end-game is here if they're not letting him interview but only have him under contract for another week. Sounds like a Drunk Irsay strategy.
Gase deserves a heck of a lot of credit for turning the Broncos into a power run team (with their 3rd string RB) down the stretch when Manning lost his strength, but that's about all we know about him, beyond him obviously being a terrible interview, considering he's been passed over for every job he's been connected to this off season.
I just want someone who will run the ball to set up play action, really.
The 2013 Broncos (with Gase as OC) only trail the 2010 Patriots in highest DVOA with play action since 2008.
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Fangio is a great hire.
They're still shitty.
If there turns out to be any substance whatsoever to the Charlie Weis rumor I'm sticking with this.
Yeah, we're fucked
Jesus, just hire Chudzinski before you fuck this up.
Pen, SKO and SKO were having a conversation. It's rude to interrupt.
You're just lucky I'm not listening to other SKO when he tells me to smash a rock upside your head, Bort.
Well, the Colts won't let Chud out of his contract, even for promotions. Dicks.
So, the Bears are probably fucked.
Technically the NFL only distinguished between assistants and Head Coach, so the only "promotion" Chud could get is a head job.
sounds like the pick is Gase. Who is basically a blank slate. I can't say he's bad or good, he's just a guy that happened to coach Peyton Manning, who calls his own plays. Mike McCoy has been okay offensively on his own so maybe Gase will.
Maybe they should just hire your boy Trestman for a year, fire him for a year, then re-hire him for another year, and repeat until chammionsheep comes to the Chi.
Just read that Chud's contract actually expires in a week, so they could wait. Not sure exactly what Indy's end-game is here if they're not letting him interview but only have him under contract for another week. Sounds like a Drunk Irsay strategy.
Gase deserves a heck of a lot of credit for turning the Broncos into a power run team (with their 3rd string RB) down the stretch when Manning lost his strength, but that's about all we know about him, beyond him obviously being a terrible interview, considering he's been passed over for every job he's been connected to this off season.
I just want someone who will run the ball to set up play action, really.
The 2013 Broncos (with Gase as OC) only trail the 2010 Patriots in highest DVOA with play action since 2008.
ITS GONNA HAI
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Fangio is a great hire.
They're still shitty.
If there turns out to be any substance whatsoever to the Charlie Weis rumor I'm sticking with this.
Yeah, we're fucked
Jesus, just hire Chudzinski before you fuck this up.
Pen, SKO and SKO were having a conversation. It's rude to interrupt.
You're just lucky I'm not listening to other SKO when he tells me to smash a rock upside your head, Bort.
Well, the Colts won't let Chud out of his contract, even for promotions. Dicks.
So, the Bears are probably fucked.
Technically the NFL only distinguished between assistants and Head Coach, so the only "promotion" Chud could get is a head job.
sounds like the pick is Gase. Who is basically a blank slate. I can't say he's bad or good, he's just a guy that happened to coach Peyton Manning, who calls his own plays. Mike McCoy has been okay offensively on his own so maybe Gase will.
Maybe they should just hire your boy Trestman for a year, fire him for a year, then re-hire him for another year, and repeat until chammionsheep comes to the Chi.
Just read that Chud's contract actually expires in a week, so they could wait. Not sure exactly what Indy's end-game is here if they're not letting him interview but only have him under contract for another week. Sounds like a Drunk Irsay strategy.
Gase deserves a heck of a lot of credit for turning the Broncos into a power run team (with their 3rd string RB) down the stretch when Manning lost his strength, but that's about all we know about him, beyond him obviously being a terrible interview, considering he's been passed over for every job he's been connected to this off season.
I just want someone who will run the ball to set up play action, really.
The 2013 Broncos (with Gase as OC) only trail the 2010 Patriots in highest DVOA with play action since 2008.
ITS GONNA HAI
If only they had moved quicker...
The 2012 Redskins (with new Atlanta OC Kyle Shanahan) used play action on 42 percent of their dropbacks, the highest rate tracked since 2005.
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Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 10:16:59 AM
Fangio is a great hire.
They're still shitty.
If there turns out to be any substance whatsoever to the Charlie Weis rumor I'm sticking with this.
Yeah, we're fucked
Jesus, just hire Chudzinski before you fuck this up.
Pen, SKO and SKO were having a conversation. It's rude to interrupt.
You're just lucky I'm not listening to other SKO when he tells me to smash a rock upside your head, Bort.
Well, the Colts won't let Chud out of his contract, even for promotions. Dicks.
So, the Bears are probably fucked.
Technically the NFL only distinguished between assistants and Head Coach, so the only "promotion" Chud could get is a head job.
sounds like the pick is Gase. Who is basically a blank slate. I can't say he's bad or good, he's just a guy that happened to coach Peyton Manning, who calls his own plays. Mike McCoy has been okay offensively on his own so maybe Gase will.
Maybe they should just hire your boy Trestman for a year, fire him for a year, then re-hire him for another year, and repeat until chammionsheep comes to the Chi.
Just read that Chud's contract actually expires in a week, so they could wait. Not sure exactly what Indy's end-game is here if they're not letting him interview but only have him under contract for another week. Sounds like a Drunk Irsay strategy.
Gase deserves a heck of a lot of credit for turning the Broncos into a power run team (with their 3rd string RB) down the stretch when Manning lost his strength, but that's about all we know about him, beyond him obviously being a terrible interview, considering he's been passed over for every job he's been connected to this off season.
I just want someone who will run the ball to set up play action, really.
The 2013 Broncos (with Gase as OC) only trail the 2010 Patriots in highest DVOA with play action since 2008.
ITS GONNA HAI
If only they had moved quicker...
The 2012 Redskins (with new Atlanta OC Kyle Shanahan) used play action on 42 percent of their dropbacks, the highest rate tracked since 2005.
I wanted Shanahan over all of the other candidates but he supposedly had decided he was going to go wherever Dan Quinn went.
FWIW, heard from a guy here in Pittsburgh that a NFL agent who shops at his store, that the Jets are very interested in Cutler.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 24, 2015, 11:27:58 AM
FWIW, heard from a guy here in Pittsburgh that a NFL agent who shops at his store, that the Jets are very interested in Cutler.
Thanks.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 24, 2015, 11:27:58 AM
FWIW, heard from a guy here in Pittsburgh that a NFL agent who shops at his store, that the Jets are very interested in Cutler.
I heard from a guy at the Cubs store (who heard it from a guy who is "wired into the Cubs" that the Cubs were going to keep Bryant in Iowa until he relented and started playing LF, because the Cubs were all-in on Valbuena (despite my asking why the Cubs would want to get into a dick-measuring contest with their top prospect, who is also a Boras client). That was last weekend. So dudes in stores are great sources.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 24, 2015, 11:27:58 AM
FWIW, heard from a guy here in Pittsburgh that a NFL agent who shops at his store, that the Jets are very interested in Cutler.
I heard from a guy at the Cubs store (who heard it from a guy who is "wired into the Cubs" that the Cubs were going to keep Bryant in Iowa until he relented and started playing LF, because the Cubs were all-in on Valbuena (despite my asking why the Cubs would want to get into a dick-measuring contest with their top prospect, who is also a Boras client). That was last weekend. So dudes in stores are great sources.
Cutler is going to be a Bear next year because the Bears didn't hire a 60+ year old coach in order to kickoff a rebuild and if they want to try to win in 2015 Jay Cutler's the best they're going to find at QB. And that's not me saying anything good about Jay, that's just me looking at a climate where the top free agent option is Mark Sanchez and people are calling this the worst draft for QBs (and just about everything else, wonderful year to have a top ten pick) in years.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 24, 2015, 11:27:58 AM
FWIW, heard from a guy here in Pittsburgh that a NFL agent who shops at his store, that the Jets are very interested in Cutler.
I heard from a guy at the Cubs store (who heard it from a guy who is "wired into the Cubs" that the Cubs were going to keep Bryant in Iowa until he relented and started playing LF, because the Cubs were all-in on Valbuena (despite my asking why the Cubs would want to get into a dick-measuring contest with their top prospect, who is also a Boras client). That was last weekend. So dudes in stores are great sources.
Cutler is going to be a Bear next year because the Bears didn't hire a 60+ year old coach in order to kickoff a rebuild and if they want to try to win in 2015 Jay Cutler's the best they're going to find at QB. And that's not me saying anything good about Jay, that's just me looking at a climate where the top free agent option is Mark Sanchez and people are calling this the worst draft for QBs (and just about everything else, wonderful year to have a top ten pick) in years.
If Cutler is a Bear next year, he is in 2016 as well. They save $10mm in cash and clear up $18.5mm in 2016 cap space by releasing him before March 2015. He's on the cap for $16.5mm in 2015 if he stays, $19.5mm if he's cut.
The Bears are delusional if they think they are better off paying Cutler in 2016 to free up $3.0mm in cap space in 2015. They don't need the space this year. They could use it in 2016.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 24, 2015, 11:27:58 AM
FWIW, heard from a guy here in Pittsburgh that a NFL agent who shops at his store, that the Jets are very interested in Cutler.
I heard from a guy at the Cubs store (who heard it from a guy who is "wired into the Cubs" that the Cubs were going to keep Bryant in Iowa until he relented and started playing LF, because the Cubs were all-in on Valbuena (despite my asking why the Cubs would want to get into a dick-measuring contest with their top prospect, who is also a Boras client). That was last weekend. So dudes in stores are great sources.
I heard from Dan Bernstein that the Bears are done with Brandon Marshall, unless they aren't, which they probably are, except that they aren't, maybe.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 24, 2015, 11:27:58 AM
FWIW, heard from a guy here in Pittsburgh that a NFL agent who shops at his store, that the Jets are very interested in Cutler.
I heard from a guy at the Cubs store (who heard it from a guy who is "wired into the Cubs" that the Cubs were going to keep Bryant in Iowa until he relented and started playing LF, because the Cubs were all-in on Valbuena (despite my asking why the Cubs would want to get into a dick-measuring contest with their top prospect, who is also a Boras client). That was last weekend. So dudes in stores are great sources.
I heard from Dan Bernstein that the Bears are done with Brandon Marshall, unless they aren't, which they probably are, except that they aren't, maybe.
What kind of store do you run?
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 24, 2015, 11:27:58 AM
FWIW, heard from a guy here in Pittsburgh that a NFL agent who shops at his store, that the Jets are very interested in Cutler.
I heard from a guy at the Cubs store (who heard it from a guy who is "wired into the Cubs" that the Cubs were going to keep Bryant in Iowa until he relented and started playing LF, because the Cubs were all-in on Valbuena (despite my asking why the Cubs would want to get into a dick-measuring contest with their top prospect, who is also a Boras client). That was last weekend. So dudes in stores are great sources.
I heard from Dan Bernstein that the Bears are done with Brandon Marshall, unless they aren't, which they probably are, except that they aren't, maybe.
What kind of store do you run?
Jerk store.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 24, 2015, 11:27:58 AM
FWIW, heard from a guy here in Pittsburgh that a NFL agent who shops at his store, that the Jets are very interested in Cutler.
I heard from a guy at the Cubs store (who heard it from a guy who is "wired into the Cubs" that the Cubs were going to keep Bryant in Iowa until he relented and started playing LF, because the Cubs were all-in on Valbuena (despite my asking why the Cubs would want to get into a dick-measuring contest with their top prospect, who is also a Boras client). That was last weekend. So dudes in stores are great sources.
I heard from Dan Bernstein that the Bears are done with Brandon Marshall, unless they aren't, which they probably are, except that they aren't, maybe.
What kind of store do you run?
Jerk store.
It's been rough, though, since they ran out of you.
It's coming to something when it's left to me to bump this thread: you guys really had enough of the Bears for a while, huh?
Anyway, Kevin White: joyful positive, or gutless asshole? Sneak attack, or bullshit toleration?
Also... Leonard? Kevin? Todd? Danny? Bud? WTF, NFL Draft?
Quote from: Tonker on May 01, 2015, 04:28:19 AM
Anyway, Kevin White: joyful positive, or gutless asshole? Sneak attack, or bullshit toleration?
Who? Is that Rondell's kid?
Quote from: Tonker on May 01, 2015, 04:28:19 AM
It's coming to something when it's left to me to bump this thread: you guys really had enough of the Bears for a while, huh?
Anyway, Kevin White: joyful positive, or gutless asshole? Sneak attack, or bullshit toleration?
Also... Leonard? Kevin? Todd? Danny? Bud? WTF, NFL Draft?
Who fucking cares
Quote from: Slaky on May 01, 2015, 08:49:42 AM
Quote from: Tonker on May 01, 2015, 04:28:19 AM
It's coming to something when it's left to me to bump this thread: you guys really had enough of the Bears for a while, huh?
Anyway, Kevin White: joyful positive, or gutless asshole? Sneak attack, or bullshit toleration?
Also... Leonard? Kevin? Todd? Danny? Bud? WTF, NFL Draft?
Who fucking cares
I don't.
*puts on WVU hat (sister is a law professor there) and Bears jacket (still a season ticket holder)*
Fuck the Bears and the NFL.
If nothing else, kid's got zazz (http://grantland.com/features/2015-nfl-draft-wide-receiver-rankings-kevin-white-amari-cooper-devante-parker-dorial-green-beckham/).
Quote"What did I do against the SEC? Whatever I wanted. Played Alabama, did what I wanted," White said. "I wish I would've played LSU so I could've done what I wanted [against them], too." White also referred to his seven-catch, 129-yard, one-touchdown performance against Texas A&M as "bombs over Baghdad."
Quote from: R-V on May 01, 2015, 09:04:44 AM
If nothing else, kid's got zazz (http://grantland.com/features/2015-nfl-draft-wide-receiver-rankings-kevin-white-amari-cooper-devante-parker-dorial-green-beckham/).
Quote"What did I do against the SEC? Whatever I wanted. Played Alabama, did what I wanted," White said. "I wish I would've played LSU so I could've done what I wanted [against them], too." White also referred to his seven-catch, 129-yard, one-touchdown performance against Texas A&M as "bombs over Baghdad."
I'd have loved to see him get shut down by LSU, too.
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Quote from: R-V on May 01, 2015, 09:04:44 AM
If nothing else, kid's got zazz (http://grantland.com/features/2015-nfl-draft-wide-receiver-rankings-kevin-white-amari-cooper-devante-parker-dorial-green-beckham/).
Quote"What did I do against the SEC? Whatever I wanted. Played Alabama, did what I wanted," White said. "I wish I would've played LSU so I could've done what I wanted [against them], too." White also referred to his seven-catch, 129-yard, one-touchdown performance against Texas A&M as "bombs over Baghdad."
I'd have loved to see him get shut down by LSU, too.
You and your whore mouth.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 01, 2015, 09:07:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 01, 2015, 09:04:44 AM
If nothing else, kid's got zazz (http://grantland.com/features/2015-nfl-draft-wide-receiver-rankings-kevin-white-amari-cooper-devante-parker-dorial-green-beckham/).
Quote"What did I do against the SEC? Whatever I wanted. Played Alabama, did what I wanted," White said. "I wish I would've played LSU so I could've done what I wanted [against them], too." White also referred to his seven-catch, 129-yard, one-touchdown performance against Texas A&M as "bombs over Baghdad."
I'd have loved to see him get shut down by LSU, too.
Love LSU. Love too watch 6-3 football games. Go spotrz.
Quote from: Slaky on May 01, 2015, 08:49:42 AM
Quote from: Tonker on May 01, 2015, 04:28:19 AM
It's coming to something when it's left to me to bump this thread: you guys really had enough of the Bears for a while, huh?
Anyway, Kevin White: joyful positive, or gutless asshole? Sneak attack, or bullshit toleration?
Also... Leonard? Kevin? Todd? Danny? Bud? WTF, NFL Draft?
Who fucking cares
I'm going all Chuck here and taking the time to write a post that lets everyone know I don't care either.
Man, I hate to see you guys like this.
Trestman getting launched is pulling me back in. A little. I liked the White pick once Williams went to the Jets. At least Pace didn't open his Bears draft career by getting too cute and taking garbage reach picks like Shea McClellin.
Quote from: Tonker on May 01, 2015, 09:55:07 AM
Man, I hate to see you guys like this.
The NFL is a horrible entity. With baseball and the NBA covering about 50 weeks a year (plus hockey for the other morans here), there's no need for it.
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2015, 10:10:16 AM
Quote from: Tonker on May 01, 2015, 09:55:07 AM
Man, I hate to see you guys like this.
The NFL is a horrible entity. With baseball and the NBA covering about 50 weeks a year (plus hockey for the other morans here), there's no need for it.
But nobody pays attention to the NBA until after the Super Bowl. Or is that just me?
I want to care, but I don't. I don't like not caring.
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2015, 01:02:54 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2015, 10:10:16 AM
Quote from: Tonker on May 01, 2015, 09:55:07 AM
Man, I hate to see you guys like this.
The NFL is a horrible entity. With baseball and the NBA covering about 50 weeks a year (plus hockey for the other morans here), there's no need for it.
But nobody pays attention to the NBA until after the Super Bowl. Or is that just me?
I want to care, but I don't. I don't like not caring.
I pay attention to the NBA year-round. I even watch the draft and some summer league. I know regular season basketball is terrible but it's fun for me. The analytics they have now are interesting enough to read in addition to books on the history of the sport. I don't know I just like it. You wouldn't understand because you're from the part of Indiana that doesn't pay attention to the NBA until after the Super Bowl, but to it's credit, it's not lousy with Bob Knight suck-asses either.
I positive this pick.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 01, 2015, 01:17:25 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2015, 01:02:54 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2015, 10:10:16 AM
Quote from: Tonker on May 01, 2015, 09:55:07 AM
Man, I hate to see you guys like this.
The NFL is a horrible entity. With baseball and the NBA covering about 50 weeks a year (plus hockey for the other morans here), there's no need for it.
But nobody pays attention to the NBA until after the Super Bowl. Or is that just me?
I want to care, but I don't. I don't like not caring.
I pay attention to the NBA year-round. I even watch the draft and some summer league. I know regular season basketball is terrible but it's fun for me. The analytics they have now are interesting enough to read in addition to books on the history of the sport. I don't know I just like it. You wouldn't understand because you're from the part of Indiana that doesn't pay attention to the NBA until after the Super Bowl, but to it's credit, it's not lousy with Bob Knight suck-asses either.
My guilty pleasure, outside of the Cubs, is horseracing. We overbred those beautiful animals to have immensely muscular bodies that they carry on impossibly thin legs. It is really tragic when one of those legs break under the horse on the track.