How can the league possibly top itself in soullessness and sordidness after a banner year like the one it just had? Don't worry, The Rog is on it.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 02, 2015, 01:35:40 PM
How can the league possibly top itself in soullessness and sordidness after a banner year like the one it just had? Don't worry, The Rog is on it.
Bigger question is, does it matter?
Was Brandon Marshall hanging out with Goodell at the SB? Is that weird?
Today we've got reports of Johnny Football entering rehab and Warren Sapp beating up prostitutes. So business as usual.
Quote from: Fork on February 02, 2015, 04:15:16 PM
Today we've got reports of Johnny Football entering rehab and Warren Sapp beating up prostitutes. So business as usual.
Not to mention...
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Former Baltimore Ravens nose tackle Terrence Cody was indicted Monday morning for animal abuse involving a dog and an alligator, according to the Baltimore County Deputy State's Attorney in Maryland.
An alligator, dude.
The best thing about pro football is that it makes me realize how much I love baseball.
Josh McCown cut by the Bucs. Nice choice, Lovie (signing him in the first place).
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 11, 2015, 05:40:41 PM
Josh McCown cut by the Bucs. Nice choice, Lovie (signing him in the first place).
RIGHT THAT WRONG, RYE APACE
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 11, 2015, 05:40:41 PM
Josh McCown cut by the Bucs. Nice choice, Lovie (signing him in the first place).
RIGHT THAT WRONG, RYE APACE
No Marc Trestman? NO DEAL
MuhGowan.
Pernell McPhee. This (https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/03/03/free-agent-profile-pernell-mcphee/) sounds pretty promising. And if anyone can get the max out of him and use that versatility, it's Fangio.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 10, 2015, 02:36:22 AM
Pernell McPhee. This (https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/03/03/free-agent-profile-pernell-mcphee/) sounds pretty promising. And if anyone can get the max out of him and use that versatility, it's Fangio.
Bad knees and can't play the run. But yeah.
Quote from: InternetApex on March 10, 2015, 09:49:30 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 10, 2015, 02:36:22 AM
Pernell McPhee. This (https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/03/03/free-agent-profile-pernell-mcphee/) sounds pretty promising. And if anyone can get the max out of him and use that versatility, it's Fangio.
Bad knees and can't play the run. But yeah.
Damn it.
In Chicago, the Bears are coming off a dreadful 5-11 season and we are, today, perhaps at the furthest point away from both last season and next.
Meanwhile, both baseball teams are in the midst of Spring Training, with legit hopes of playing meaningful August games, the Bulls are headed to the playoffs and the Blackhawks are in the midst of a decade-long once-in-a-generation run, treating their fans to an embarrassment of sustained quality reminiscent of the late 90's Bulls (and already having exceeded the 1980 Bears who, in retrospect, merely stomped on short-bus divisional foes and other talent-challenged teams before getting pansted at home in the playoff nearly every year).
Now I know that baseball hasn't really started, the Bulls are not legitmate title contenders and that hockey gets short shrift in this town by default, but the fact that NFL FREE AGENT SIGNING WEEEK (AND WILL JAY STAY OR GO?) seems to have been dominating local sports radio since Monday is making me hate football more and more. Fucking obnoxious. Hosts and callers. Fucking idiots. Sorry if this should've been in the Totally Unlistenable thread.
Quote from: PANK! on March 11, 2015, 06:23:37 AM
In Chicago, the Bears are coming off a dreadful 5-11 season and we are, today, perhaps at the furthest point away from both last season and next.
Meanwhile, both baseball teams are in the midst of Spring Training, with legit hopes of playing meaningful August games, the Bulls are headed to the playoffs and the Blackhawks are in the midst of a decade-long once-in-a-generation run, treating their fans to an embarrassment of sustained quality reminiscent of the late 90's Bulls (and already having exceeded the 1980 Bears who, in retrospect, merely stomped on short-bus divisional foes and other talent-challenged teams before getting pansted at home in the playoff nearly every year).
Now I know that baseball hasn't really started, the Bulls are not legitmate title contenders and that hockey gets short shrift in this town by default, but the fact that NFL FREE AGENT SIGNING WEEEK (AND WILL JAY STAY OR GO?) seems to have been dominating local sports radio since Monday is making me hate football more and more. Fucking obnoxious. Hosts and callers. Fucking idiots. Sorry if this should've been in the Totally Unlistenable thread.
You can post this anywhere you want. Just get your palms ready for a sweaty high five from yours truly.
Quote from: PANK! on March 11, 2015, 06:23:37 AM
In Chicago, the Bears are coming off a dreadful 5-11 season and we are, today, perhaps at the furthest point away from both last season and next.
Meanwhile, both baseball teams are in the midst of Spring Training, with legit hopes of playing meaningful August games, the Bulls are headed to the playoffs and the Blackhawks are in the midst of a decade-long once-in-a-generation run, treating their fans to an embarrassment of sustained quality reminiscent of the late 90's Bulls (and already having exceeded the 1980 Bears who, in retrospect, merely stomped on short-bus divisional foes and other talent-challenged teams before getting pansted at home in the playoff nearly every year).
Now I know that baseball hasn't really started, the Bulls are not legitmate title contenders and that hockey gets short shrift in this town by default, but the fact that NFL FREE AGENT SIGNING WEEEK (AND WILL JAY STAY OR GO?) seems to have been dominating local sports radio since Monday is making me hate football more and more. Fucking obnoxious. Hosts and callers. Fucking idiots. Sorry if this should've been in the Totally Unlistenable thread.
Just when I was starting to miss Chicago...
Quote from: InternetApex on March 11, 2015, 09:14:05 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 11, 2015, 06:23:37 AM
In Chicago, the Bears are coming off a dreadful 5-11 season and we are, today, perhaps at the furthest point away from both last season and next.
Meanwhile, both baseball teams are in the midst of Spring Training, with legit hopes of playing meaningful August games, the Bulls are headed to the playoffs and the Blackhawks are in the midst of a decade-long once-in-a-generation run, treating their fans to an embarrassment of sustained quality reminiscent of the late 90's Bulls (and already having exceeded the 1980 Bears who, in retrospect, merely stomped on short-bus divisional foes and other talent-challenged teams before getting pansted at home in the playoff nearly every year).
Now I know that baseball hasn't really started, the Bulls are not legitmate title contenders and that hockey gets short shrift in this town by default, but the fact that NFL FREE AGENT SIGNING WEEEK (AND WILL JAY STAY OR GO?) seems to have been dominating local sports radio since Monday is making me hate football more and more. Fucking obnoxious. Hosts and callers. Fucking idiots. Sorry if this should've been in the Totally Unlistenable thread.
You can post this anywhere you want. Just get your palms ready for a sweaty high five from yours truly.
Thanks, except the 1980 Bears were pretty awful.
Ahem.
*The nineteen
eighties Bears (more specifically, mid-to-late 80's). And really the Bulls run was the entire 90's, not just the latter half.
/annotated
Quote from: Oleg on March 11, 2015, 09:35:27 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 11, 2015, 06:23:37 AM
In Chicago, the Bears are coming off a dreadful 5-11 season and we are, today, perhaps at the furthest point away from both last season and next.
Meanwhile, both baseball teams are in the midst of Spring Training, with legit hopes of playing meaningful August games, the Bulls are headed to the playoffs and the Blackhawks are in the midst of a decade-long once-in-a-generation run, treating their fans to an embarrassment of sustained quality reminiscent of the late 90's Bulls (and already having exceeded the 1980 Bears who, in retrospect, merely stomped on short-bus divisional foes and other talent-challenged teams before getting pansted at home in the playoff nearly every year).
Now I know that baseball hasn't really started, the Bulls are not legitmate title contenders and that hockey gets short shrift in this town by default, but the fact that NFL FREE AGENT SIGNING WEEEK (AND WILL JAY STAY OR GO?) seems to have been dominating local sports radio since Monday is making me hate football more and more. Fucking obnoxious. Hosts and callers. Fucking idiots. Sorry if this should've been in the Totally Unlistenable thread.
Just when I was starting to miss Chicago...
I get that the NFL is a marketing and merchandising revenue-splooging powerhouse and that, also, the Bears have unified the city's sports fans more than any other team throughout their existence, but this is pretty goddamn ridiculous.
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Quote from: Oleg on March 11, 2015, 09:35:27 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 11, 2015, 06:23:37 AM
In Chicago, the Bears are coming off a dreadful 5-11 season and we are, today, perhaps at the furthest point away from both last season and next.
Meanwhile, both baseball teams are in the midst of Spring Training, with legit hopes of playing meaningful August games, the Bulls are headed to the playoffs and the Blackhawks are in the midst of a decade-long once-in-a-generation run, treating their fans to an embarrassment of sustained quality reminiscent of the late 90's Bulls (and already having exceeded the 1980 Bears who, in retrospect, merely stomped on short-bus divisional foes and other talent-challenged teams before getting pansted at home in the playoff nearly every year).
Now I know that baseball hasn't really started, the Bulls are not legitmate title contenders and that hockey gets short shrift in this town by default, but the fact that NFL FREE AGENT SIGNING WEEEK (AND WILL JAY STAY OR GO?) seems to have been dominating local sports radio since Monday is making me hate football more and more. Fucking obnoxious. Hosts and callers. Fucking idiots. Sorry if this should've been in the Totally Unlistenable thread.
Just when I was starting to miss Chicago...
I get that the NFL is a marketing and merchandising revenue-splooging powerhouse and that, also, the Bears have unified the city's sports fans more than any other team throughout their existence, but this is pretty goddamn ridiculous.
Yeah it's bothersome that a downright awful Bears team that's made ONE move in free agency so far dominates headlines when news is so much better for every other franchise in the city. The NFL offseason is just everything that sucks about the sport (namely the people that watch it and talk about it, like me) and none of the stuff that actually works (actual football and yeah that's it).
But I can say I spent far more time watching that video of the back to back to back homers and telling everyone I know about it than I did opining about crazy NFL shit on twitter so yay for me.
That said Chip Kelly is fucking nuts and I am interested in seeing how quickly he burns all of Philadelphia down.
Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2015, 10:40:59 AM
That said Chip Kelly is fucking nuts and I am interested in seeing how quickly he burns all of Philadelphia down.
He definitely is the most fascinating thing going on in the NFL right now.
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Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2015, 10:40:59 AM
That said Chip Kelly is fucking nuts and I am interested in seeing how quickly he burns all of Philadelphia down.
He definitely is the most fascinating thing going on in the NFL right now.
Well, except for the time that the Bears gave Eddie Royal $10MM guaranteed.
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Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2015, 10:40:59 AM
That said Chip Kelly is fucking nuts and I am interested in seeing how quickly he burns all of Philadelphia down.
He definitely is the most fascinating thing going on in the NFL right now.
Well, except for the time that the Bears gave Eddie Royal $10MM guaranteed.
The Colts gave Andre Johnson $16.5MM and he's five years older than Royal. I understand the Colts are trying to get into a Super Bowl while the Bears are trying to get out of their own way. I don't know. That's what people cost these days.
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Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2015, 10:40:59 AM
That said Chip Kelly is fucking nuts and I am interested in seeing how quickly he burns all of Philadelphia down.
He definitely is the most fascinating thing going on in the NFL right now.
Well, except for the time that the Bears gave Eddie Royal $10MM guaranteed.
The Colts gave Andre Johnson $16.5MM and he's five years older than Royal. I understand the Colts are trying to get into a Super Bowl while the Bears are trying to get out of their own way. I don't know. That's what people cost these days.
Where did you get that guaranteed number for Andre Johnson? I only see $7.5MM - $10.5MM.
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Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2015, 10:40:59 AM
That said Chip Kelly is fucking nuts and I am interested in seeing how quickly he burns all of Philadelphia down.
He definitely is the most fascinating thing going on in the NFL right now.
Well, except for the time that the Bears gave Eddie Royal $10MM guaranteed.
The Colts gave Andre Johnson $16.5MM and he's five years older than Royal. I understand the Colts are trying to get into a Super Bowl while the Bears are trying to get out of their own way. I don't know. That's what people cost these days.
Where did you get that guaranteed number for Andre Johnson? I only see $7.5MM - $10.5MM.
I feel like an average of $3.3 million guaranteed dollars a year is probably about what you'd expect a 28 year old accomplished slot receiver to make. I mean the absolute vet minimum, is what, $750 K? This seems like a really weird thing to call more bizarre than Chip Kelly or the strangest thing going on this offseason when Ndamukong Suh just got $60 million guaranteed.
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Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2015, 10:40:59 AM
That said Chip Kelly is fucking nuts and I am interested in seeing how quickly he burns all of Philadelphia down.
He definitely is the most fascinating thing going on in the NFL right now.
Well, except for the time that the Bears gave Eddie Royal $10MM guaranteed.
The Colts gave Andre Johnson $16.5MM and he's five years older than Royal. I understand the Colts are trying to get into a Super Bowl while the Bears are trying to get out of their own way. I don't know. That's what people cost these days.
Where did you get that guaranteed number for Andre Johnson? I only see $7.5MM - $10.5MM.
I feel like an average of $3.3 million guaranteed dollars a year is probably about what you'd expect a 28 year old accomplished slot receiver to make. I mean the absolute vet minimum, is what, $750 K? This seems like a really weird thing to call more bizarre than Chip Kelly or the strangest thing going on this offseason when Ndamukong Suh just got $60 million guaranteed.
Why would you guarantee 3 years to Eddie Royal?
I know you've only watched Bears games in your life, but Eddie Royals LITERALLY grow on trees.
And the Dolphins always overpay for the top Free Agent. It's like a rite of Spring.
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Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2015, 10:40:59 AM
That said Chip Kelly is fucking nuts and I am interested in seeing how quickly he burns all of Philadelphia down.
He definitely is the most fascinating thing going on in the NFL right now.
Well, except for the time that the Bears gave Eddie Royal $10MM guaranteed.
The Colts gave Andre Johnson $16.5MM and he's five years older than Royal. I understand the Colts are trying to get into a Super Bowl while the Bears are trying to get out of their own way. I don't know. That's what people cost these days.
Where did you get that guaranteed number for Andre Johnson? I only see $7.5MM - $10.5MM.
I feel like an average of $3.3 million guaranteed dollars a year is probably about what you'd expect a 28 year old accomplished slot receiver to make. I mean the absolute vet minimum, is what, $750 K? This seems like a really weird thing to call more bizarre than Chip Kelly or the strangest thing going on this offseason when Ndamukong Suh just got $60 million guaranteed.
Why would you guarantee 3 years to Eddie Royal?
I know you've only watched Bears games in your life, but Eddie Royals LITERALLY grow on trees.
And the Dolphins always overpay for the top Free Agent. It's like a rite of Spring.
The years on an NFL contract are NEVER guaranteed Pen. Jebus.
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Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2015, 10:40:59 AM
That said Chip Kelly is fucking nuts and I am interested in seeing how quickly he burns all of Philadelphia down.
He definitely is the most fascinating thing going on in the NFL right now.
Well, except for the time that the Bears gave Eddie Royal $10MM guaranteed.
The Colts gave Andre Johnson $16.5MM and he's five years older than Royal. I understand the Colts are trying to get into a Super Bowl while the Bears are trying to get out of their own way. I don't know. That's what people cost these days.
Where did you get that guaranteed number for Andre Johnson? I only see $7.5MM - $10.5MM.
I feel like an average of $3.3 million guaranteed dollars a year is probably about what you'd expect a 28 year old accomplished slot receiver to make. I mean the absolute vet minimum, is what, $750 K? This seems like a really weird thing to call more bizarre than Chip Kelly or the strangest thing going on this offseason when Ndamukong Suh just got $60 million guaranteed.
Why would you guarantee 3 years to Eddie Royal?
I know you've only watched Bears games in your life, but Eddie Royals LITERALLY grow on trees.
And the Dolphins always overpay for the top Free Agent. It's like a rite of Spring.
The years on an NFL contract are NEVER guaranteed Pen. Jebus.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
My point is that $10MM guaranteed to Eddie Royal is way too much (over any length of time)
SKO justified it by saying it was $3.3MM a year (implying a 3-year run.)
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Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2015, 10:40:59 AM
That said Chip Kelly is fucking nuts and I am interested in seeing how quickly he burns all of Philadelphia down.
He definitely is the most fascinating thing going on in the NFL right now.
Well, except for the time that the Bears gave Eddie Royal $10MM guaranteed.
The Colts gave Andre Johnson $16.5MM and he's five years older than Royal. I understand the Colts are trying to get into a Super Bowl while the Bears are trying to get out of their own way. I don't know. That's what people cost these days.
Where did you get that guaranteed number for Andre Johnson? I only see $7.5MM - $10.5MM.
I feel like an average of $3.3 million guaranteed dollars a year is probably about what you'd expect a 28 year old accomplished slot receiver to make. I mean the absolute vet minimum, is what, $750 K? This seems like a really weird thing to call more bizarre than Chip Kelly or the strangest thing going on this offseason when Ndamukong Suh just got $60 million guaranteed.
Why would you guarantee 3 years to Eddie Royal?
I know you've only watched Bears games in your life, but Eddie Royals LITERALLY grow on trees.
And the Dolphins always overpay for the top Free Agent. It's like a rite of Spring.
The years on an NFL contract are NEVER guaranteed Pen. Jebus.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
My point is that $10MM guaranteed to Eddie Royal is way too much (over any length of time)
SKO justified it by saying it was $3.3MM a year (implying a 3-year run.)
Isn't the salary cap like $140 million this year? Let's assume he's only a Bear for 2 years, at $5 million guaranteed a year that's like 4% of the cap. It's not a lot of money. The Bears have about a thousand other problems we could pick apart. This ain't one of 'em.
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That said Chip Kelly is fucking nuts and I am interested in seeing how quickly he burns all of Philadelphia down.
He definitely is the most fascinating thing going on in the NFL right now.
Well, except for the time that the Bears gave Eddie Royal $10MM guaranteed.
The Colts gave Andre Johnson $16.5MM and he's five years older than Royal. I understand the Colts are trying to get into a Super Bowl while the Bears are trying to get out of their own way. I don't know. That's what people cost these days.
Where did you get that guaranteed number for Andre Johnson? I only see $7.5MM - $10.5MM.
I feel like an average of $3.3 million guaranteed dollars a year is probably about what you'd expect a 28 year old accomplished slot receiver to make. I mean the absolute vet minimum, is what, $750 K? This seems like a really weird thing to call more bizarre than Chip Kelly or the strangest thing going on this offseason when Ndamukong Suh just got $60 million guaranteed.
Why would you guarantee 3 years to Eddie Royal?
I know you've only watched Bears games in your life, but Eddie Royals LITERALLY grow on trees.
And the Dolphins always overpay for the top Free Agent. It's like a rite of Spring.
The years on an NFL contract are NEVER guaranteed Pen. Jebus.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
My point is that $10MM guaranteed to Eddie Royal is way too much (over any length of time)
SKO justified it by saying it was $3.3MM a year (implying a 3-year run.)
Isn't the salary cap like $140 million this year? Let's assume he's only a Bear for 2 years, at $5 million guaranteed a year that's like 4% of the cap. It's not a lot of money. The Bears have about a thousand other problems we could pick apart. This ain't one of 'em.
It's at 143 I think, and it's gone up 20 mil in two years. I said "an average of 3.3 mil per year" because even if you cut a guy in the NFL the guaranteed money cap hit is usually spread over the full length of the contract. That's why teams give out long deals they know they'll never let a player get to the end of. I didn't realize this was too advanced of a concept for Pen to grasp, although I probably should have.
You're looking at a guy with a cap hit about 1/3rd of what Marshall was making on a team with like 30 million in cap space. I fail to see how this can really be that stupid. I mean, sure, maybe he's overpaid, but literally every free agent ever is considered overpaid. That is how free agency works. I'm not terribly excited about this but it's hard to envision a scenario where the Bears are caught in such a bind sometime in the next three years that we'll all be saying "JESUS IF ONLY THEY HADN'T GIVEN 10 MILLION DOLLARS TO EDDIE ROYAL."
TL/DR Penis wrong.
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That said Chip Kelly is fucking nuts and I am interested in seeing how quickly he burns all of Philadelphia down.
He definitely is the most fascinating thing going on in the NFL right now.
Well, except for the time that the Bears gave Eddie Royal $10MM guaranteed.
The Colts gave Andre Johnson $16.5MM and he's five years older than Royal. I understand the Colts are trying to get into a Super Bowl while the Bears are trying to get out of their own way. I don't know. That's what people cost these days.
Where did you get that guaranteed number for Andre Johnson? I only see $7.5MM - $10.5MM.
I feel like an average of $3.3 million guaranteed dollars a year is probably about what you'd expect a 28 year old accomplished slot receiver to make. I mean the absolute vet minimum, is what, $750 K? This seems like a really weird thing to call more bizarre than Chip Kelly or the strangest thing going on this offseason when Ndamukong Suh just got $60 million guaranteed.
Why would you guarantee 3 years to Eddie Royal?
I know you've only watched Bears games in your life, but Eddie Royals LITERALLY grow on trees.
And the Dolphins always overpay for the top Free Agent. It's like a rite of Spring.
The years on an NFL contract are NEVER guaranteed Pen. Jebus.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
My point is that $10MM guaranteed to Eddie Royal is way too much (over any length of time)
SKO justified it by saying it was $3.3MM a year (implying a 3-year run.)
Isn't the salary cap like $140 million this year? Let's assume he's only a Bear for 2 years, at $5 million guaranteed a year that's like 4% of the cap. It's not a lot of money. The Bears have about a thousand other problems we could pick apart. This ain't one of 'em.
It's at 143 I think, and it's gone up 20 mil in two years. I said "an average of 3.3 mil per year" because even if you cut a guy in the NFL the guaranteed money cap hit is usually spread over the full length of the contract. That's why teams give out long deals they know they'll never let a player get to the end of. I didn't realize this was too advanced of a concept for Pen to grasp, although I probably should have.
You're looking at a guy with a cap hit about 1/3rd of what Marshall was making on a team with like 30 million in cap space. I fail to see how this can really be that stupid. I mean, sure, maybe he's overpaid, but literally every free agent ever is considered overpaid. That is how free agency works. I'm not terribly excited about this but it's hard to envision a scenario where the Bears are caught in such a bind sometime in the next three years that we'll all be saying "JESUS IF ONLY THEY HADN'T GIVEN 10 MILLION DOLLARS TO EDDIE ROYAL."
TL/DR Penis wrong.
This is a terrible contract.
I'm have no idea how you don't see that.
Just because they have 1000 other problems doesn't make this any less stupid.
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That said Chip Kelly is fucking nuts and I am interested in seeing how quickly he burns all of Philadelphia down.
He definitely is the most fascinating thing going on in the NFL right now.
Well, except for the time that the Bears gave Eddie Royal $10MM guaranteed.
The Colts gave Andre Johnson $16.5MM and he's five years older than Royal. I understand the Colts are trying to get into a Super Bowl while the Bears are trying to get out of their own way. I don't know. That's what people cost these days.
Where did you get that guaranteed number for Andre Johnson? I only see $7.5MM - $10.5MM.
I feel like an average of $3.3 million guaranteed dollars a year is probably about what you'd expect a 28 year old accomplished slot receiver to make. I mean the absolute vet minimum, is what, $750 K? This seems like a really weird thing to call more bizarre than Chip Kelly or the strangest thing going on this offseason when Ndamukong Suh just got $60 million guaranteed.
Why would you guarantee 3 years to Eddie Royal?
I know you've only watched Bears games in your life, but Eddie Royals LITERALLY grow on trees.
And the Dolphins always overpay for the top Free Agent. It's like a rite of Spring.
The years on an NFL contract are NEVER guaranteed Pen. Jebus.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
My point is that $10MM guaranteed to Eddie Royal is way too much (over any length of time)
SKO justified it by saying it was $3.3MM a year (implying a 3-year run.)
Isn't the salary cap like $140 million this year? Let's assume he's only a Bear for 2 years, at $5 million guaranteed a year that's like 4% of the cap. It's not a lot of money. The Bears have about a thousand other problems we could pick apart. This ain't one of 'em.
It's at 143 I think, and it's gone up 20 mil in two years. I said "an average of 3.3 mil per year" because even if you cut a guy in the NFL the guaranteed money cap hit is usually spread over the full length of the contract. That's why teams give out long deals they know they'll never let a player get to the end of. I didn't realize this was too advanced of a concept for Pen to grasp, although I probably should have.
You're looking at a guy with a cap hit about 1/3rd of what Marshall was making on a team with like 30 million in cap space. I fail to see how this can really be that stupid. I mean, sure, maybe he's overpaid, but literally every free agent ever is considered overpaid. That is how free agency works. I'm not terribly excited about this but it's hard to envision a scenario where the Bears are caught in such a bind sometime in the next three years that we'll all be saying "JESUS IF ONLY THEY HADN'T GIVEN 10 MILLION DOLLARS TO EDDIE ROYAL."
TL/DR Penis wrong.
This is a terrible contract.
I'm have no idea how you don't see that.
Just because they have 1000 other problems doesn't make this any less stupid.
3.3 million dollars a year is a terrible contract. This is what it's come to? I mean, sure, it's more than it's worth but, christ, it's 3 million dollars a year. Excluding guys on rookie deals the average veteran WR makes between 1.5-2 mil probably. I'm really supposed to act like there's cause for concern that the Bears paid an average wide receiver an extra 1/150th of their salary cap than what he was actually worth?
I will boldly predict that the Eddie Royal deal with have no long-lasting repercussions on any deals the Bears want to sign at any point in the next ten years. That is a ridiculously stupidly low amount of money to consider it one of the worst deals of free agency, man.
I mean after all of their free agent deals so far the Bears are still sitting at goddamn 19.5 million dollars in cap space. Assuming your rookie class costs about 6 million that is 13 million in cap space left over with probably no more major deals left to give out. Alshon and Kyle Long are probably their only young players they'll need to extend in the next year, and Cutler's salary goes down in 2016, Forte's 8.5 mil is off the books after 2015....and the cap is probably going up another 6-10 million.
I am just failing to see any scenario where 3.3 million in dead money for Eddie Royal in 2016 or 2017 is going to be a problem if he turns out a bust.
The Dolphins gave Suh $60 million guaranteed, teams have traded actual draft picks for Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel, and Sam Bradford, someone gave Josh McCown $7 million guaranteed just so he can ask Johnny Manziel nicely to stop drinking so heavily, and the Eagles just gave $24 million guaranteed to a 27 year old runningback with one healthy season who is coming off a workload almost historically guaranteed to mean he's probably screwed this year, yet Pen wants to say 3 million a year for an average slot receiver is ludicrous.
Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
The Dolphins gave Suh $60 million guaranteed, teams have traded actual draft picks for Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel, and Sam Bradford, someone gave Josh McCown $7 million guaranteed just so he can ask Johnny Manziel nicely to stop drinking so heavily, and the Eagles just gave $24 million guaranteed to a 27 year old runningback with one healthy season who is coming off a workload almost historically guaranteed to mean he's probably screwed this year, yet Pen wants to say 3 million a year for an average slot receiver is ludicrous.
It's still a really stupid deal.
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Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
The Dolphins gave Suh $60 million guaranteed, teams have traded actual draft picks for Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel, and Sam Bradford, someone gave Josh McCown $7 million guaranteed just so he can ask Johnny Manziel nicely to stop drinking so heavily, and the Eagles just gave $24 million guaranteed to a 27 year old runningback with one healthy season who is coming off a workload almost historically guaranteed to mean he's probably screwed this year, yet Pen wants to say 3 million a year for an average slot receiver is ludicrous.
It's still a really stupid deal.
+1
Quote from: PenFoe on March 12, 2015, 02:59:32 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
The Dolphins gave Suh $60 million guaranteed, teams have traded actual draft picks for Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel, and Sam Bradford, someone gave Josh McCown $7 million guaranteed just so he can ask Johnny Manziel nicely to stop drinking so heavily, and the Eagles just gave $24 million guaranteed to a 27 year old runningback with one healthy season who is coming off a workload almost historically guaranteed to mean he's probably screwed this year, yet Pen wants to say 3 million a year for an average slot receiver is ludicrous.
It's still a really stupid deal.
So we're just solely going off that it's more than he's worth in some perfect world, no? This is just the Bears gave him more money than he's probably worth in the abstract. Despite the fact that they have a healthy cap situation and hardly any players worth extending (and quite a few that are likely to get cut to create even more cap space), this is just "Eddie Royal is not worth this so Pen says this is bad."
In which case I have to think you think the Lester deal is terrible, because let's face it the last few years of that are terrible and teams should never overpay to fill a need even if they can afford to.
Quote from: Yeti on March 12, 2015, 03:00:37 PM
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Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
The Dolphins gave Suh $60 million guaranteed, teams have traded actual draft picks for Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel, and Sam Bradford, someone gave Josh McCown $7 million guaranteed just so he can ask Johnny Manziel nicely to stop drinking so heavily, and the Eagles just gave $24 million guaranteed to a 27 year old runningback with one healthy season who is coming off a workload almost historically guaranteed to mean he's probably screwed this year, yet Pen wants to say 3 million a year for an average slot receiver is ludicrous.
It's still a really stupid deal.
+1
I agree, repeating the same statement 3 or 4 times is a convincing argument.
Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2015, 03:05:31 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 12, 2015, 02:59:32 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
The Dolphins gave Suh $60 million guaranteed, teams have traded actual draft picks for Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel, and Sam Bradford, someone gave Josh McCown $7 million guaranteed just so he can ask Johnny Manziel nicely to stop drinking so heavily, and the Eagles just gave $24 million guaranteed to a 27 year old runningback with one healthy season who is coming off a workload almost historically guaranteed to mean he's probably screwed this year, yet Pen wants to say 3 million a year for an average slot receiver is ludicrous.
It's still a really stupid deal.
So we're just solely going off that it's more than he's worth in some perfect world, no? This is just the Bears gave him more money than he's probably worth in the abstract. Despite the fact that they have a healthy cap situation and hardly any players worth extending (and quite a few that are likely to get cut to create even more cap space), this is just "Eddie Royal is not worth this so Pen says this is bad."
In which case I have to think you think the Lester deal is terrible, because let's face it the last few years of that are terrible and teams should never overpay to fill a need even if they can afford to.
"More money than he's probably worth in the abstract." Really?
Randall Cobb got $17 million guaranteed.
Brian Hartline got $1.5 million guaranteed.
Andre Johnson got something around $7.5 million guaranteed.
Harry Douglas' numbers haven't been reported, but supposedly in the 5-7 range.
Those are actual numbers for actual players who didn't get a ridiculous Eddie Royal contract.
Quote from: PenFoe on March 12, 2015, 03:18:19 PM
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Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
The Dolphins gave Suh $60 million guaranteed, teams have traded actual draft picks for Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel, and Sam Bradford, someone gave Josh McCown $7 million guaranteed just so he can ask Johnny Manziel nicely to stop drinking so heavily, and the Eagles just gave $24 million guaranteed to a 27 year old runningback with one healthy season who is coming off a workload almost historically guaranteed to mean he's probably screwed this year, yet Pen wants to say 3 million a year for an average slot receiver is ludicrous.
It's still a really stupid deal.
So we're just solely going off that it's more than he's worth in some perfect world, no? This is just the Bears gave him more money than he's probably worth in the abstract. Despite the fact that they have a healthy cap situation and hardly any players worth extending (and quite a few that are likely to get cut to create even more cap space), this is just "Eddie Royal is not worth this so Pen says this is bad."
In which case I have to think you think the Lester deal is terrible, because let's face it the last few years of that are terrible and teams should never overpay to fill a need even if they can afford to.
"More money than he's probably worth in the abstract." Really?
Randall Cobb got $17 million guaranteed.
Brian Hartline got $1.5 million guaranteed.
Andre Johnson got something around $7.5 million guaranteed.
Harry Douglas' numbers haven't been reported, but supposedly in the 5-7 range.
Those are actual numbers for actual players who didn't get a ridiculous Eddie Royal contract.
But yeah, it makes total sense for the Bears to have gotten into a bidding war with the Chargers so they could grossly overpay for one of the easiest positions to fill.
Quote from: PenFoe on March 12, 2015, 03:18:19 PM
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Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
The Dolphins gave Suh $60 million guaranteed, teams have traded actual draft picks for Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel, and Sam Bradford, someone gave Josh McCown $7 million guaranteed just so he can ask Johnny Manziel nicely to stop drinking so heavily, and the Eagles just gave $24 million guaranteed to a 27 year old runningback with one healthy season who is coming off a workload almost historically guaranteed to mean he's probably screwed this year, yet Pen wants to say 3 million a year for an average slot receiver is ludicrous.
It's still a really stupid deal.
So we're just solely going off that it's more than he's worth in some perfect world, no? This is just the Bears gave him more money than he's probably worth in the abstract. Despite the fact that they have a healthy cap situation and hardly any players worth extending (and quite a few that are likely to get cut to create even more cap space), this is just "Eddie Royal is not worth this so Pen says this is bad."
In which case I have to think you think the Lester deal is terrible, because let's face it the last few years of that are terrible and teams should never overpay to fill a need even if they can afford to.
"More money than he's probably worth in the abstract." Really?
Randall Cobb got $17 million guaranteed.
Brian Hartline got $1.5 million guaranteed.
Andre Johnson got something around $7.5 million guaranteed.
Harry Douglas' numbers haven't been reported, but supposedly in the 5-7 range.
Those are actual numbers for actual players who didn't get a ridiculous Eddie Royal contract.
Yeah, most of those guys got bigger deals overall though. I mean I get that it is guaranteed and that is the money that really matters in the NFL, but it's still 3 million a year. Eddie Royal got 15 million dollars total, over 3 years. It's extremly unusual for a deal to be 2/3rds guaranteed, but that's still not really a lot of money at all. It's hardly a crippling contract in any way. So he prioritized making sure that the average salary he got was fully guaranteed, fine. Either way it's no skin off of the Bears balls if they have to cut a guy next year and owe him a whopping 3 million for him to not play for them when the cap is north of $150 mil.
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Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
The Dolphins gave Suh $60 million guaranteed, teams have traded actual draft picks for Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel, and Sam Bradford, someone gave Josh McCown $7 million guaranteed just so he can ask Johnny Manziel nicely to stop drinking so heavily, and the Eagles just gave $24 million guaranteed to a 27 year old runningback with one healthy season who is coming off a workload almost historically guaranteed to mean he's probably screwed this year, yet Pen wants to say 3 million a year for an average slot receiver is ludicrous.
It's still a really stupid deal.
So we're just solely going off that it's more than he's worth in some perfect world, no? This is just the Bears gave him more money than he's probably worth in the abstract. Despite the fact that they have a healthy cap situation and hardly any players worth extending (and quite a few that are likely to get cut to create even more cap space), this is just "Eddie Royal is not worth this so Pen says this is bad."
In which case I have to think you think the Lester deal is terrible, because let's face it the last few years of that are terrible and teams should never overpay to fill a need even if they can afford to.
"More money than he's probably worth in the abstract." Really?
Randall Cobb got $17 million guaranteed.
Brian Hartline got $1.5 million guaranteed.
Andre Johnson got something around $7.5 million guaranteed.
Harry Douglas' numbers haven't been reported, but supposedly in the 5-7 range.
Those are actual numbers for actual players who didn't get a ridiculous Eddie Royal contract.
But yeah, it makes total sense for the Bears to have gotten into a bidding war with the Chargers so they could grossly overpay for one of the easiest positions to fill.
It does make total sense in that he fills the exact role they wanted, he's only 28, he has a history with their quarterback, and they had a fuck ton of cap room and this deal in no way can possibly hinder their financial future. Who cares what they pay him if they don't actually put themselves in a bind by paying him that?
The Bears have been a lot of things in my life, but the one thing they've never been is cap-strapped. Neither Angelo nor Emery (or more accurately Cliff Stein, the capologist who has been there all along) was ever willing to fuck the team's future financially with bad deals. This deal will mean absolutely nothing to the long-term cap situation of the Bears, so who. fucking. cares.
Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2015, 03:31:37 PM
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Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
The Dolphins gave Suh $60 million guaranteed, teams have traded actual draft picks for Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel, and Sam Bradford, someone gave Josh McCown $7 million guaranteed just so he can ask Johnny Manziel nicely to stop drinking so heavily, and the Eagles just gave $24 million guaranteed to a 27 year old runningback with one healthy season who is coming off a workload almost historically guaranteed to mean he's probably screwed this year, yet Pen wants to say 3 million a year for an average slot receiver is ludicrous.
It's still a really stupid deal.
So we're just solely going off that it's more than he's worth in some perfect world, no? This is just the Bears gave him more money than he's probably worth in the abstract. Despite the fact that they have a healthy cap situation and hardly any players worth extending (and quite a few that are likely to get cut to create even more cap space), this is just "Eddie Royal is not worth this so Pen says this is bad."
In which case I have to think you think the Lester deal is terrible, because let's face it the last few years of that are terrible and teams should never overpay to fill a need even if they can afford to.
"More money than he's probably worth in the abstract." Really?
Randall Cobb got $17 million guaranteed.
Brian Hartline got $1.5 million guaranteed.
Andre Johnson got something around $7.5 million guaranteed.
Harry Douglas' numbers haven't been reported, but supposedly in the 5-7 range.
Those are actual numbers for actual players who didn't get a ridiculous Eddie Royal contract.
But yeah, it makes total sense for the Bears to have gotten into a bidding war with the Chargers so they could grossly overpay for one of the easiest positions to fill.
It does make total sense in that he fills the exact role they wanted, he's only 28, he has a history with their quarterback, and they had a fuck ton of cap room and this deal in no way can possibly hinder their financial future. Who cares what they pay him if they don't actually put themselves in a bind by paying him that?
The Bears have been a lot of things in my life, but the one thing they've never been is cap-strapped. Neither Angelo nor Emery (or more accurately Cliff Stein, the capologist who has been there all along) was ever willing to fuck the team's future financially with bad deals. This deal will mean absolutely nothing to the long-term cap situation of the Bears, so who. fucking. cares.
You're totally right.
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Quote from: PenFoe on March 12, 2015, 03:36:32 PM
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Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
The Dolphins gave Suh $60 million guaranteed, teams have traded actual draft picks for Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel, and Sam Bradford, someone gave Josh McCown $7 million guaranteed just so he can ask Johnny Manziel nicely to stop drinking so heavily, and the Eagles just gave $24 million guaranteed to a 27 year old runningback with one healthy season who is coming off a workload almost historically guaranteed to mean he's probably screwed this year, yet Pen wants to say 3 million a year for an average slot receiver is ludicrous.
It's still a really stupid deal.
So we're just solely going off that it's more than he's worth in some perfect world, no? This is just the Bears gave him more money than he's probably worth in the abstract. Despite the fact that they have a healthy cap situation and hardly any players worth extending (and quite a few that are likely to get cut to create even more cap space), this is just "Eddie Royal is not worth this so Pen says this is bad."
In which case I have to think you think the Lester deal is terrible, because let's face it the last few years of that are terrible and teams should never overpay to fill a need even if they can afford to.
"More money than he's probably worth in the abstract." Really?
Randall Cobb got $17 million guaranteed.
Brian Hartline got $1.5 million guaranteed.
Andre Johnson got something around $7.5 million guaranteed.
Harry Douglas' numbers haven't been reported, but supposedly in the 5-7 range.
Those are actual numbers for actual players who didn't get a ridiculous Eddie Royal contract.
But yeah, it makes total sense for the Bears to have gotten into a bidding war with the Chargers so they could grossly overpay for one of the easiest positions to fill.
It does make total sense in that he fills the exact role they wanted, he's only 28, he has a history with their quarterback, and they had a fuck ton of cap room and this deal in no way can possibly hinder their financial future. Who cares what they pay him if they don't actually put themselves in a bind by paying him that?
The Bears have been a lot of things in my life, but the one thing they've never been is cap-strapped. Neither Angelo nor Emery (or more accurately Cliff Stein, the capologist who has been there all along) was ever willing to fuck the team's future financially with bad deals. This deal will mean absolutely nothing to the long-term cap situation of the Bears, so who. fucking. cares.
You're totally right.
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There's all of three years that are guaranteed in Jay's deal. He's the 11th highest cap hit among QBs this year, by next year once Luck/Newton/Wilson get extended he'll probably be 15th-17th, and after next year they can cut him without a dime of guaranteed money, and even including him being "overpaid" they had 30 million in cap space at the start of this year's free agency. Unless you're arguing that having Jay on the roster has kept them from signing/drafting all of the better free agent quarterbacks sitting around that don't actually exist, I'm not buying it.
Y'all can say Jay sucks as much as you want. He probably does, but he's also their best option at QB for the forseeable future, and his salary in no way prevents them from drafting a rookie QB this year or next year to replace him while Still ranking in the bottom half of the league in 2016 in terms of salary cap space committed to the QB position.
Pen's weird bitching about Eddie Royal's contract only makes sense to me if he reveals that he's one of those members of the McCaskey family who owns part of the team but won't get shit until they sell it.
To me, the true measure of whether you've fucked up your cap or given out a bad contract is if you are prevented from signing a player you really wanted or you have to cut ties with a player you don't want to cut ties with because you can no longer afford them. Neither of those things has happened to the Bears in recent memory, and I really doubt the Eddie Royal deal is gonna break the floodgates.
Quote from: CT III on March 12, 2015, 03:44:27 PM
Pen's weird bitching about Eddie Royal's contract only makes sense to me if he reveals that he's one of those members of the McCaskey family who owns part of the team but won't get shit until they sell it.
I figured he was just putting a quarter in SKO, but it's gone on way too long to be that.
Quote from: Eli on March 12, 2015, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: CT III on March 12, 2015, 03:44:27 PM
Pen's weird bitching about Eddie Royal's contract only makes sense to me if he reveals that he's one of those members of the McCaskey family who owns part of the team but won't get shit until they sell it.
I figured he was just putting a quarter in SKO, but it's gone on way too long to be that.
I figured the same thing, "It has to be a schtick... right?"
Then I realized where I was.
Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2015, 03:49:06 PM
To me, the true measure of whether you've fucked up your cap or given out a bad contract is if you are prevented from signing a player you really wanted or you have to cut ties with a player you don't want to cut ties with because you can no longer afford them. Neither of those things has happened to the Bears in recent memory, and I really doubt the Eddie Royal deal is gonna break the floodgates.
Here's where this falls apart though. Sure, you can easily point to Cutler's contract and say, "Yeah, but there's no one better" or point to Eddie Royal's contract and say "They have plenty of cap space, what's the big deal?" but wouldn't you rather overpay for Suh or Revis or someone who's actually great? Okay, so there's no one better than Cutler, but they don't want him and they can't get rid of him. That means it's a bad, bad contract.
You brought up the Lester contract earlier in parallel as a point of contention, but he's great. We all agree that it's a shitton of money and it'll be ugly at the end, but that doesn't mean he's still not a guy that changes the dynamic.
These are just bad contracts. They're too much money for guys that don't make the team significantly better. You can get plenty of cheap guys to do what they're doing and then overspend on great guys. Brian Hartline and Harry Douglas and those guys can do everything Royal can do for half or a tenth of the cost. Just because 3rd WR is a position of need for the Bears doesn't mean they should overpay. Those guys are so easy to find on the cheap. Just because the Bears haven't been able to do it (Santonio Holmes last year??) doesn't mean that it's a challenge to do.
You don't get better giving too much money for mediocre players, no matter how much money you still have. That's just bad management.
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Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2015, 03:49:06 PM
To me, the true measure of whether you've fucked up your cap or given out a bad contract is if you are prevented from signing a player you really wanted or you have to cut ties with a player you don't want to cut ties with because you can no longer afford them. Neither of those things has happened to the Bears in recent memory, and I really doubt the Eddie Royal deal is gonna break the floodgates.
Here's where this falls apart though. Sure, you can easily point to Cutler's contract and say, "Yeah, but there's no one better" or point to Eddie Royal's contract and say "They have plenty of cap space, what's the big deal?" but wouldn't you rather overpay for Suh or Revis or someone who's actually great? Okay, so there's no one better than Cutler, but they don't want him and they can't get rid of him. That means it's a bad, bad contract.
You brought up the Lester contract earlier in parallel as a point of contention, but he's great. We all agree that it's a shitton of money and it'll be ugly at the end, but that doesn't mean he's still not a guy that changes the dynamic.
These are just bad contracts. They're too much money for guys that don't make the team significantly better. You can get plenty of cheap guys to do what they're doing and then overspend on great guys. Brian Hartline and Harry Douglas and those guys can do everything Royal can do for half or a tenth of the cost. Just because 3rd WR is a position of need for the Bears doesn't mean they should overpay. Those guys are so easy to find on the cheap. Just because the Bears haven't been able to do it (Santonio Holmes last year??) doesn't mean that it's a challenge to do.
You don't get better giving too much money for mediocre players, no matter how much money you still have. That's just bad management.
I'm sticking with "this is a really weird line to draw in the sand over a 2 year, $10 millon dollar deal." Which, in reality, is all it is. And if you can't see the difference in "overpaying" Suh by giving him more guaranteed money than goddamn Aaron Rodgers vs. giving Eddie Royal a fairly small contract but just guaranteeing almost all of it, you're insane.
I mean I am not disagreeing that's probably too much money for Eddie Royal. It just seems like something that doesn't even register on the grand list of bad NFL free agent contracts because the likelihood of it ever coming back to haunt the Bears if he goes bust is minimal.
Just to clarify: Eddie Royal's average salary of $5 mil a year over the life of this contract makes him the 30th highest paid WR in the NFL, just ahead of three guys on rookie contracts (Watkins, AJ Green, Blackmon), and Riley Cooper. So I....kinda think he's being paid about exactly what he should be getting paid.
Christ this is the worst Penis wrong in a long time.
Quote from: Eli on March 12, 2015, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: CT III on March 12, 2015, 03:44:27 PM
Pen's weird bitching about Eddie Royal's contract only makes sense to me if he reveals that he's one of those members of the McCaskey family who owns part of the team but won't get shit until they sell it.
I figured he was just putting a quarter in SKO, but it's gone on way too long to be that.
Pen has a lot of quarters
Quote from: Yeti on March 13, 2015, 09:28:18 AM
Quote from: Eli on March 12, 2015, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: CT III on March 12, 2015, 03:44:27 PM
Pen's weird bitching about Eddie Royal's contract only makes sense to me if he reveals that he's one of those members of the McCaskey family who owns part of the team but won't get shit until they sell it.
I figured he was just putting a quarter in SKO, but it's gone on way too long to be that.
Pen has a lot of quarters
It's all the Jew Gold.
Quote from: PenFoe on March 13, 2015, 09:15:50 AM
but wouldn't you rather overpay for Suh or Revis or someone who's actually great?
Not really.
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Quote from: Eli on March 13, 2015, 09:59:16 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 13, 2015, 09:15:50 AM
but wouldn't you rather overpay for Suh or Revis or someone who's actually great?
Not really.
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Isn't comparing Suh to Haynesworth kind of like comparing Kris Bryant to Gary Scott though?
Quote from: InternetApex on March 13, 2015, 10:14:07 AM
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but wouldn't you rather overpay for Suh or Revis or someone who's actually great?
Not really.
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Isn't comparing Suh to Haynesworth kind of like comparing Kris Bryant to Gary Scott though?
Kinda but I think Eli was pointing out that huge NFL free agent deals are almost never worth the money. So when Pen asks "isn't it better to overpay for Suh than Royal" the answer is no, because you can move on from a $10 million dollar mistake a lot easier than a $60 million dollar mistake. For all of Pen's bitching there's practically no risk involved here in the Royal deal. It's off of the books after next year if he goes bust and I doubt his $5 mil hit even if they cut him before next year keep them from making moves they need to make. But if Suh doesn't work out the Dolphins are fucked for 5 years or more.
Quote from: InternetApex on March 13, 2015, 10:14:07 AM
Quote from: Eli on March 13, 2015, 09:59:16 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 13, 2015, 09:15:50 AM
but wouldn't you rather overpay for Suh or Revis or someone who's actually great?
Not really.
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Isn't comparing Suh to Haynesworth kind of like comparing Kris Bryant to Gary Scott though?
Dominant defensive tackles who had reputations for poor conduct and then signed enormous contracts while still in their prime? My point was more about contracts than the players, but I don't think it's a terrible comparison.
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Quote from: Eli on March 13, 2015, 09:59:16 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 13, 2015, 09:15:50 AM
but wouldn't you rather overpay for Suh or Revis or someone who's actually great?
Not really.
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Isn't comparing Suh to Haynesworth kind of like comparing Kris Bryant to Gary Scott though?
Dominant defensive tackles who had reputations for poor conduct and then signed enormous contracts while still in their prime? My point was more about contracts than the players, but I don't think it's a terrible comparison.
Haynesworth had a PFF Grade of +23.7 overall in his age 27 season before signing that deal with the Skins, Suh had a +31 overall at age 27 before signing with the Dolphins. Suh is the better player, but Haynesworth was a legitimately great player in Tennessee.
I think Suh works far harder than Haynesworth ever did but Eli's right to use him as a precautionary tale for why the huge contracts rarely pan out
Besides, how do you reach a point in the decision-making process where you're deciding between spending a fuckload on a DT or a fairly reasonable amount on a WR? I'm pretty sure the go/no-go on a guy like Suh or Revis would happen way before Royal is on the agenda.
Fuck the Iggles.
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Quote from: Bort on March 17, 2015, 12:25:54 PM
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I'm glad I made it to the final paragraph:
QuoteYou know, I know another head-banger named Boreland who quit on his team- Wes Boreland, the guitar player from Limp Bizkit. He tried to start a side project and now I dont know, hes dead probably. Being in Limp Bizkit was the only thing that kept structure and a countability in his life, just like being in the NFL is the only thing I think that Chris Boreland should care about. I want a guy who does it all for the nookie, not a guy who thinks he did it all as a rookie, and In MY Opinion, Chris is the one whose stuck looking like a chump, hey, like a chump.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 17, 2015, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: Bort on March 17, 2015, 12:25:54 PM
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I'm glad I made it to the final paragraph:
QuoteYou know, I know another head-banger named Boreland who quit on his team- Wes Boreland, the guitar player from Limp Bizkit. He tried to start a side project and now I dont know, hes dead probably. Being in Limp Bizkit was the only thing that kept structure and a countability in his life, just like being in the NFL is the only thing I think that Chris Boreland should care about. I want a guy who does it all for the nookie, not a guy who thinks he did it all as a rookie, and In MY Opinion, Chris is the one whose stuck looking like a chump, hey, like a chump.
The whole whose?
Quote from: Oleg on March 17, 2015, 08:31:04 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 17, 2015, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: Bort on March 17, 2015, 12:25:54 PM
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I'm glad I made it to the final paragraph:
QuoteYou know, I know another head-banger named Boreland who quit on his team- Wes Boreland, the guitar player from Limp Bizkit. He tried to start a side project and now I dont know, hes dead probably. Being in Limp Bizkit was the only thing that kept structure and a countability in his life, just like being in the NFL is the only thing I think that Chris Boreland should care about. I want a guy who does it all for the nookie, not a guy who thinks he did it all as a rookie, and In MY Opinion, Chris is the one whose stuck looking like a chump, hey, like a chump.
The whole whose?
Unfamiliar with PFT Commenter's schtick? He's a parody of the hot take spouting commenters on football blogs. The misspellings are intentional
Quote from: SKO on March 17, 2015, 08:41:02 PM
Quote from: Oleg on March 17, 2015, 08:31:04 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 17, 2015, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: Bort on March 17, 2015, 12:25:54 PM
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I'm glad I made it to the final paragraph:
QuoteYou know, I know another head-banger named Boreland who quit on his team- Wes Boreland, the guitar player from Limp Bizkit. He tried to start a side project and now I dont know, hes dead probably. Being in Limp Bizkit was the only thing that kept structure and a countability in his life, just like being in the NFL is the only thing I think that Chris Boreland should care about. I want a guy who does it all for the nookie, not a guy who thinks he did it all as a rookie, and In MY Opinion, Chris is the one whose stuck looking like a chump, hey, like a chump.
The whole whose?
Unfamiliar with PFT Commenter's shtick? He's a parody of the hot take spouting commenters on football blogs. The misspellings are intentional
I've been out in the sun for two days now. My irony meter is misfiring.
Quote from: SKO on March 17, 2015, 08:41:02 PM
Quote from: Oleg on March 17, 2015, 08:31:04 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 17, 2015, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: Bort on March 17, 2015, 12:25:54 PM
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I'm glad I made it to the final paragraph:
QuoteYou know, I know another head-banger named Boreland who quit on his team- Wes Boreland, the guitar player from Limp Bizkit. He tried to start a side project and now I dont know, hes dead probably. Being in Limp Bizkit was the only thing that kept structure and a countability in his life, just like being in the NFL is the only thing I think that Chris Boreland should care about. I want a guy who does it all for the nookie, not a guy who thinks he did it all as a rookie, and In MY Opinion, Chris is the one whose stuck looking like a chump, hey, like a chump.
The whole whose?
Unfamiliar with PFT Commenter's schtick? He's a parody of the hot take spouting commenters on football blogs. The misspellings are intentional
It reads like something JD would write.
Quote from: SKO on March 17, 2015, 08:41:02 PM
Quote from: Oleg on March 17, 2015, 08:31:04 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 17, 2015, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: Bort on March 17, 2015, 12:25:54 PM
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2015/03/climate-change-and-concussions-how-junk-science-is-turning-our-nation-into-a-pussy.html
I'm glad I made it to the final paragraph:
QuoteYou know, I know another head-banger named Boreland who quit on his team- Wes Boreland, the guitar player from Limp Bizkit. He tried to start a side project and now I dont know, hes dead probably. Being in Limp Bizkit was the only thing that kept structure and a countability in his life, just like being in the NFL is the only thing I think that Chris Boreland should care about. I want a guy who does it all for the nookie, not a guy who thinks he did it all as a rookie, and In MY Opinion, Chris is the one whose stuck looking like a chump, hey, like a chump.
The whole whose?
Unfamiliar with PFT Commenter's schtick? He's a parody of the hot take spouting commenters on football blogs. The misspellings are intentional
My favorite PFT Commenter moment was he(?) and Paul F. Tompkins getting into a slap fight on Twitter thanks to a bizarre case of mistaken identity.
Okay, the Bills signed Charles Clay to a 5/$38 offer sheet with $20MM guaranteed.
You're off the hook for the Eddie Royal thing as the worst move, Bears.
Quote from: PenFoe on March 18, 2015, 11:25:14 AM
Okay, the Bills signed Charles Clay to a 5/$38 offer sheet with $20MM guaranteed.
You're off the hook for the Eddie Royal thing as the worst move, Bears.
Oh, thank gord.
Quote from: PenFoe on March 18, 2015, 11:25:14 AM
Okay, the Bills signed Charles Clay to a 5/$38 offer sheet with $20MM guaranteed.
You're off the hook for the Eddie Royal thing as the worst move, Bears.
That's $21,000 per career yard receiving, or $236024.84 per career reception.
My God, Buffalo.
Quote from: SKO on March 18, 2015, 11:29:46 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 18, 2015, 11:25:14 AM
Okay, the Bills signed Charles Clay to a 5/$38 offer sheet with $20MM guaranteed.
You're off the hook for the Eddie Royal thing as the worst move, Bears.
That's $21,000 per career yard receiving, or $236024.84 per career reception.
My God, Buffalo.
I know the guy is only 26, but this is really, really stunning.
But their QBs are E.J. Manuel and Matt Cassell, so what the fuck anyway.
Quote from: PenFoe on March 18, 2015, 11:46:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 18, 2015, 11:29:46 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 18, 2015, 11:25:14 AM
Okay, the Bills signed Charles Clay to a 5/$38 offer sheet with $20MM guaranteed.
You're off the hook for the Eddie Royal thing as the worst move, Bears.
That's $21,000 per career yard receiving, or $236024.84 per career reception.
My God, Buffalo.
I know the guy is only 26, but this is really, really stunning.
But their QBs are E.J. Manuel and Matt Cassell, so what the fuck anyway.
It's fairly uplifting to know that as someone who hardly ever watches or follows football, I could take over running Buffalo and not be too much worse than what they have now.
They would have been better off bringing Slak's brother back.
Quote from: SKO on March 18, 2015, 11:29:46 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 18, 2015, 11:25:14 AM
Okay, the Bills signed Charles Clay to a 5/$38 offer sheet with $20MM guaranteed.
You're off the hook for the Eddie Royal thing as the worst move, Bears.
That's $21,000 per career yard receiving, or $236024.84 per career reception.
My God, Buffalo.
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