Ask them if they think they can hit a ball out of a major league ballpark.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/nationals-offer-fans-chance-to-hit-home-run--win-free-tickets-230538803.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
That is, if you can find one who hasn't drank, gambled and fucked his life savings away after so many years of bitter disappointment and utter shame.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 21, 2015, 09:22:50 PM
Ask them if they think they can hit a ball out of a major league ballpark.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/nationals-offer-fans-chance-to-hit-home-run--win-free-tickets-230538803.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
That is, if you can find one who hasn't drank, gambled and fucked his life savings away after so many years of bitter disappointment and utter shame.
Ten so many years?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 21, 2015, 10:57:55 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 21, 2015, 09:22:50 PM
Ask them if they think they can hit a ball out of a major league ballpark.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/nationals-offer-fans-chance-to-hit-home-run--win-free-tickets-230538803.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
That is, if you can find one who hasn't drank, gambled and fucked his life savings away after so many years of bitter disappointment and utter shame.
Ten so many years?
Forget it, he's rolling.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 21, 2015, 09:22:50 PM
Ask them if they think they can hit a ball out of a major league ballpark.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/nationals-offer-fans-chance-to-hit-home-run--win-free-tickets-230538803.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
That is, if you can find one who hasn't drank, gambled and fucked his life savings away after so many years of bitter disappointment and utter shame.
They get a maximum of one swing at a maximum of two pitches.
Or, to put it another way: if you don't hit it out of the park at the first time of asking, you'll never hit it out.
Christ on a fucking bike, the fact that there's any kind of debate as to whether Bryce Harper actually deserved to get choked by a teammate is the dumbest thing in sports since the last awful dumb thing.
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 08:31:16 AM
Christ on a fucking bike, the fact that there's any kind of debate as to whether Bryce Harper actually deserved to get choked by a teammate is the dumbest thing in sports since the last awful dumb thing.
Where is this debate happening? Also, Baez, Soler, plus what else for Harper?
Quote from: Oleg on September 28, 2015, 08:53:54 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 08:31:16 AM
Christ on a fucking bike, the fact that there's any kind of debate as to whether Bryce Harper actually deserved to get choked by a teammate is the dumbest thing in sports since the last awful dumb thing.
Where is this debate happening? Also, Baez, Soler, plus what else for Harper?
CJ Nitkowski wrote this: http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/just-a-bit-outside/story/jonathan-papelbon-bryce-harper-fight-current-ex-players-support-pitcher-long-time-coming-092715, which completely downplays the incident as a "dust up" and never once mentions Papelbon choking Harper, and then is a collection of anonymous players and scouts shitting on Harper and the usual "doesn't play the game the right way" crap that just adds up to jealousy over a guy who is 22 years old and better than everyone acting like it and not having time for "unwritten rules."
Nitkowski also blames the entire thing on Harper telling the media that he disapproved of Papelbon beaning Manny Machado for admiring a homer too long. He says that by doing that Harper made public criticism fair game, and thus Papelbon was clearly within his right to choke Harper out. Ridiculous.
Quote from: Oleg on September 28, 2015, 08:53:54 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 08:31:16 AM
Christ on a fucking bike, the fact that there's any kind of debate as to whether Bryce Harper actually deserved to get choked by a teammate is the dumbest thing in sports since the last awful dumb thing.
Where is this debate happening? Also, Baez, Soler, plus what else for Harper?
Way more than any of us would be comfortable with.
Quote from: Eli on September 28, 2015, 08:59:39 AM
Quote from: Oleg on September 28, 2015, 08:53:54 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 08:31:16 AM
Christ on a fucking bike, the fact that there's any kind of debate as to whether Bryce Harper actually deserved to get choked by a teammate is the dumbest thing in sports since the last awful dumb thing.
Where is this debate happening? Also, Baez, Soler, plus what else for Harper?
Way more than any of us would be comfortable with.
You're probably right. I guess I was just hoping for some sort of off-season, knee-jerk foolishness from a GM who must know he's not too long for his job if they don't make the playoffs next year.
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 08:58:15 AM
Quote from: Oleg on September 28, 2015, 08:53:54 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 08:31:16 AM
Christ on a fucking bike, the fact that there's any kind of debate as to whether Bryce Harper actually deserved to get choked by a teammate is the dumbest thing in sports since the last awful dumb thing.
Where is this debate happening? Also, Baez, Soler, plus what else for Harper?
CJ Nitkowski wrote this: http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/just-a-bit-outside/story/jonathan-papelbon-bryce-harper-fight-current-ex-players-support-pitcher-long-time-coming-092715, which completely downplays the incident as a "dust up" and never once mentions Papelbon choking Harper, and then is a collection of anonymous players and scouts shitting on Harper and the usual "doesn't play the game the right way" crap that just adds up to jealousy over a guy who is 22 years old and better than everyone acting like it and not having time for "unwritten rules."
Nitkowski also blames the entire thing on Harper telling the media that he disapproved of Papelbon beaning Manny Machado for admiring a homer too long. He says that by doing that Harper made public criticism fair game, and thus Papelbon was clearly within his right to choke Harper out. Ridiculous.
As players who become analysts go, I don't really mind Nitkowski. But he kept using the word "objective" and I'm not sure he was using it properly.
In any case, Harper was probably wrong for not running out the pop-up. Papelbon is a known asshole. I'm guessing there's more to this than just the two incidents; something probably happened before the Machado incident ever came to light.
The Nats are a mess. Papelbon is there next year. This should be fun.
Quote from: Oleg on September 28, 2015, 09:48:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 08:58:15 AM
Quote from: Oleg on September 28, 2015, 08:53:54 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 08:31:16 AM
Christ on a fucking bike, the fact that there's any kind of debate as to whether Bryce Harper actually deserved to get choked by a teammate is the dumbest thing in sports since the last awful dumb thing.
Where is this debate happening? Also, Baez, Soler, plus what else for Harper?
CJ Nitkowski wrote this: http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/just-a-bit-outside/story/jonathan-papelbon-bryce-harper-fight-current-ex-players-support-pitcher-long-time-coming-092715, which completely downplays the incident as a "dust up" and never once mentions Papelbon choking Harper, and then is a collection of anonymous players and scouts shitting on Harper and the usual "doesn't play the game the right way" crap that just adds up to jealousy over a guy who is 22 years old and better than everyone acting like it and not having time for "unwritten rules."
Nitkowski also blames the entire thing on Harper telling the media that he disapproved of Papelbon beaning Manny Machado for admiring a homer too long. He says that by doing that Harper made public criticism fair game, and thus Papelbon was clearly within his right to choke Harper out. Ridiculous.
As players who become analysts go, I don't really mind Nitkowski. But he kept using the word "objective" and I'm not sure he was using it properly.
In any case, Harper was probably wrong for not running out the pop-up. Papelbon is a known asshole. I'm guessing there's more to this than just the two incidents; something probably happened before the Machado incident ever came to light.
The Nats are a mess. Papelbon is there next year. This should be fun.
I liked Nitkowski, too, which is why this is disappointing. He's doubled down on the dumb on twitter, playing the YOU DON'T GET IT YOU'VE NEVER PLAYED IN THE BIGS ASSAULTING PEOPLE IS FINE card and continually equating Harper criticizing Pap for the beanball to Pap fighting Harper. Saying it's wrong to hit people to the media is just as egregious as choking a guy out, apparently.
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 09:56:03 AM
Quote from: Oleg on September 28, 2015, 09:48:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 08:58:15 AM
Quote from: Oleg on September 28, 2015, 08:53:54 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 08:31:16 AM
Christ on a fucking bike, the fact that there's any kind of debate as to whether Bryce Harper actually deserved to get choked by a teammate is the dumbest thing in sports since the last awful dumb thing.
Where is this debate happening? Also, Baez, Soler, plus what else for Harper?
CJ Nitkowski wrote this: http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/just-a-bit-outside/story/jonathan-papelbon-bryce-harper-fight-current-ex-players-support-pitcher-long-time-coming-092715, which completely downplays the incident as a "dust up" and never once mentions Papelbon choking Harper, and then is a collection of anonymous players and scouts shitting on Harper and the usual "doesn't play the game the right way" crap that just adds up to jealousy over a guy who is 22 years old and better than everyone acting like it and not having time for "unwritten rules."
Nitkowski also blames the entire thing on Harper telling the media that he disapproved of Papelbon beaning Manny Machado for admiring a homer too long. He says that by doing that Harper made public criticism fair game, and thus Papelbon was clearly within his right to choke Harper out. Ridiculous.
As players who become analysts go, I don't really mind Nitkowski. But he kept using the word "objective" and I'm not sure he was using it properly.
In any case, Harper was probably wrong for not running out the pop-up. Papelbon is a known asshole. I'm guessing there's more to this than just the two incidents; something probably happened before the Machado incident ever came to light.
The Nats are a mess. Papelbon is there next year. This should be fun.
I liked Nitkowski, too, which is why this is disappointing. He's doubled down on the dumb on twitter, playing the YOU DON'T GET IT YOU'VE NEVER PLAYED IN THE BIGS ASSAULTING PEOPLE IS FINE card and continually equating Harper criticizing Pap for the beanball to Pap fighting Harper. Saying it's wrong to hit people to the media is just as egregious as choking a guy out, apparently.
SKO, you're right, but can I still like Zambrano punching Barrett's (fairly dim) lights out, cause I still kind of enjoyed that.
Quote from: thehawk on September 28, 2015, 11:17:16 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 09:56:03 AM
Quote from: Oleg on September 28, 2015, 09:48:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 08:58:15 AM
Quote from: Oleg on September 28, 2015, 08:53:54 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 08:31:16 AM
Christ on a fucking bike, the fact that there's any kind of debate as to whether Bryce Harper actually deserved to get choked by a teammate is the dumbest thing in sports since the last awful dumb thing.
Where is this debate happening? Also, Baez, Soler, plus what else for Harper?
CJ Nitkowski wrote this: http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/just-a-bit-outside/story/jonathan-papelbon-bryce-harper-fight-current-ex-players-support-pitcher-long-time-coming-092715, which completely downplays the incident as a "dust up" and never once mentions Papelbon choking Harper, and then is a collection of anonymous players and scouts shitting on Harper and the usual "doesn't play the game the right way" crap that just adds up to jealousy over a guy who is 22 years old and better than everyone acting like it and not having time for "unwritten rules."
Nitkowski also blames the entire thing on Harper telling the media that he disapproved of Papelbon beaning Manny Machado for admiring a homer too long. He says that by doing that Harper made public criticism fair game, and thus Papelbon was clearly within his right to choke Harper out. Ridiculous.
As players who become analysts go, I don't really mind Nitkowski. But he kept using the word "objective" and I'm not sure he was using it properly.
In any case, Harper was probably wrong for not running out the pop-up. Papelbon is a known asshole. I'm guessing there's more to this than just the two incidents; something probably happened before the Machado incident ever came to light.
The Nats are a mess. Papelbon is there next year. This should be fun.
I liked Nitkowski, too, which is why this is disappointing. He's doubled down on the dumb on twitter, playing the YOU DON'T GET IT YOU'VE NEVER PLAYED IN THE BIGS ASSAULTING PEOPLE IS FINE card and continually equating Harper criticizing Pap for the beanball to Pap fighting Harper. Saying it's wrong to hit people to the media is just as egregious as choking a guy out, apparently.
SKO, you're right, but can I still like Zambrano punching Barrett's (fairly dim) lights out, cause I still kind of enjoyed that.
Barrett didn't deserve that beating from Z.
He deserved that multiple times.
Quote from: thehawk on September 28, 2015, 11:17:16 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 09:56:03 AM
Quote from: Oleg on September 28, 2015, 09:48:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 08:58:15 AM
Quote from: Oleg on September 28, 2015, 08:53:54 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 08:31:16 AM
Christ on a fucking bike, the fact that there's any kind of debate as to whether Bryce Harper actually deserved to get choked by a teammate is the dumbest thing in sports since the last awful dumb thing.
Where is this debate happening? Also, Baez, Soler, plus what else for Harper?
CJ Nitkowski wrote this: http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/just-a-bit-outside/story/jonathan-papelbon-bryce-harper-fight-current-ex-players-support-pitcher-long-time-coming-092715, which completely downplays the incident as a "dust up" and never once mentions Papelbon choking Harper, and then is a collection of anonymous players and scouts shitting on Harper and the usual "doesn't play the game the right way" crap that just adds up to jealousy over a guy who is 22 years old and better than everyone acting like it and not having time for "unwritten rules."
Nitkowski also blames the entire thing on Harper telling the media that he disapproved of Papelbon beaning Manny Machado for admiring a homer too long. He says that by doing that Harper made public criticism fair game, and thus Papelbon was clearly within his right to choke Harper out. Ridiculous.
As players who become analysts go, I don't really mind Nitkowski. But he kept using the word "objective" and I'm not sure he was using it properly.
In any case, Harper was probably wrong for not running out the pop-up. Papelbon is a known asshole. I'm guessing there's more to this than just the two incidents; something probably happened before the Machado incident ever came to light.
The Nats are a mess. Papelbon is there next year. This should be fun.
I liked Nitkowski, too, which is why this is disappointing. He's doubled down on the dumb on twitter, playing the YOU DON'T GET IT YOU'VE NEVER PLAYED IN THE BIGS ASSAULTING PEOPLE IS FINE card and continually equating Harper criticizing Pap for the beanball to Pap fighting Harper. Saying it's wrong to hit people to the media is just as egregious as choking a guy out, apparently.
SKO, you're right, but can I still like Zambrano punching Barrett's (fairly dim) lights out, cause I still kind of enjoyed that.
I mean it's all dumb as shit, but if I am remembering correctly Barrett flailed away at Carlos, and he also cold-cocked Pierzynski the year before. If two dumbasses go at it, whatever. Papelbon picked a fight and then attacked a dude who hadn't exchanged anything with him but words. And for some reason I find two athletes throwing punches at each other a little less disturbing than one guy trying to choke another.
Honestly, the fact that a fight happened isn't what bothers me. I know that happens all of the time. It's that we can't even look at that fight and agree unanimously that the guy who choked out the other guy for no fucking reason was the one that was in the wrong.
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 11:25:38 AM
I mean it's all dumb as shit, but if I am remembering correctly Barrett flailed away at Carlos,
No. Z came in the dugout and questioned Barrett. Barrett pointed to the field and Z went postal.
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and he also cold-cocked Pierzynski the year before.
Yes.
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 11:29:06 AM
Honestly, the fact that a fight happened isn't what bothers me. I know that happens all of the time. It's that we can't even look at that fight and agree unanimously that the guy who choked out the other guy for no fucking reason was the one that was in the wrong.
Why can't they both be wrong?
Quote from: Canadouche on September 28, 2015, 11:38:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 11:29:06 AM
Honestly, the fact that a fight happened isn't what bothers me. I know that happens all of the time. It's that we can't even look at that fight and agree unanimously that the guy who choked out the other guy for no fucking reason was the one that was in the wrong.
Why can't they both be wrong?
If you and a neighbor are fighting about dog poop on your yard, and he ends up choking you about it, are you going to say it's your bad for arguing in the first place? Everyone has arguments, if you choke a guy who didn't attack you in any way, you're the dumbass who took it too far.
I mean to clarify I'm not saying it's wrong to not like Bryce Harper's attitude. If his arrogance turns you off or whatever, fine. I'm also not saying he didn't scream back at Papelbon and say "let's go" or whatever. It still doesn't make it right to choke someone. That's a line you shouldn't cross, and the bizarre barrier we have between what's acceptable in real life and in professional sports doesn't change that.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/09/28/criticism-of-bryce-harper-in-papelbon-scuffle-is-off-base-and-out-of-date/
The Nationals are pretty fucked up. Their fans have got to be beyond consoling at this point. But if they fire Matt Williams, dump Papelbon and get their lineup back healthy, they're the favorites in the East next year unless the Mets do some serious offseason upgrading.
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 11:43:30 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on September 28, 2015, 11:38:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 11:29:06 AM
Honestly, the fact that a fight happened isn't what bothers me. I know that happens all of the time. It's that we can't even look at that fight and agree unanimously that the guy who choked out the other guy for no fucking reason was the one that was in the wrong.
Why can't they both be wrong?
If you and a neighbor are fighting about dog poop on your yard, and he ends up choking you about it, are you going to say it's your bad for arguing in the first place? Everyone has arguments, if you choke a guy who didn't attack you in any way, you're the dumbass who took it too far.
I mean to clarify I'm not saying it's wrong to not like Bryce Harper's attitude. If his arrogance turns you off or whatever, fine. I'm also not saying he didn't scream back at Papelbon and say "let's go" or whatever. It still doesn't make it right to choke someone. That's a line you shouldn't cross, and the bizarre barrier we have between what's acceptable in real life and in professional sports doesn't change that.
I absolutely agree with you. Papelbon seems like a real cancer. He had no right to choke Harper, even if Harper is an asshole.
It's partly because I want Cubs to win all the awards, unrealistic as that is, but I also partly think that the MVP should go to a playoff bound player who, hopefully, leads his team in more than just offensive categories. (By my own definition, Sammy Sosa should never have been MVP since he was so incredibly selfish.) I'm sure Harper remains the leading candidate, but his team's slide from contention can't help his chances.
Quote from: Canadouche on September 28, 2015, 12:01:49 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 11:43:30 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on September 28, 2015, 11:38:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 11:29:06 AM
Honestly, the fact that a fight happened isn't what bothers me. I know that happens all of the time. It's that we can't even look at that fight and agree unanimously that the guy who choked out the other guy for no fucking reason was the one that was in the wrong.
Why can't they both be wrong?
If you and a neighbor are fighting about dog poop on your yard, and he ends up choking you about it, are you going to say it's your bad for arguing in the first place? Everyone has arguments, if you choke a guy who didn't attack you in any way, you're the dumbass who took it too far.
I mean to clarify I'm not saying it's wrong to not like Bryce Harper's attitude. If his arrogance turns you off or whatever, fine. I'm also not saying he didn't scream back at Papelbon and say "let's go" or whatever. It still doesn't make it right to choke someone. That's a line you shouldn't cross, and the bizarre barrier we have between what's acceptable in real life and in professional sports doesn't change that.
I absolutely agree with you. Papelbon seems like a real cancer. He had no right to choke Harper, even if Harper is an asshole.
It's partly because I want Cubs to win all the awards, unrealistic as that is, but I also partly think that the MVP should go to a playoff bound player who, hopefully, leads his team in more than just offensive categories. (By my own definition, Sammy Sosa should never have been MVP since he was so incredibly selfish.) I'm sure Harper remains the leading candidate, but his team's slide from contention can't help his chances.
And by my definition the most valuable player is the player who is the best and also produces the most value (which we can now helpfully measure in WAR) for his team. Which in this case is Bryce Harper. The guy shouldn't be punished because the rest of his team blows, it should be even more impressive that he managed to almost singlehandedly keep the Nats in the race for half of the season.
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 12:04:40 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on September 28, 2015, 12:01:49 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 11:43:30 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on September 28, 2015, 11:38:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 11:29:06 AM
Honestly, the fact that a fight happened isn't what bothers me. I know that happens all of the time. It's that we can't even look at that fight and agree unanimously that the guy who choked out the other guy for no fucking reason was the one that was in the wrong.
Why can't they both be wrong?
If you and a neighbor are fighting about dog poop on your yard, and he ends up choking you about it, are you going to say it's your bad for arguing in the first place? Everyone has arguments, if you choke a guy who didn't attack you in any way, you're the dumbass who took it too far.
I mean to clarify I'm not saying it's wrong to not like Bryce Harper's attitude. If his arrogance turns you off or whatever, fine. I'm also not saying he didn't scream back at Papelbon and say "let's go" or whatever. It still doesn't make it right to choke someone. That's a line you shouldn't cross, and the bizarre barrier we have between what's acceptable in real life and in professional sports doesn't change that.
I absolutely agree with you. Papelbon seems like a real cancer. He had no right to choke Harper, even if Harper is an asshole.
It's partly because I want Cubs to win all the awards, unrealistic as that is, but I also partly think that the MVP should go to a playoff bound player who, hopefully, leads his team in more than just offensive categories. (By my own definition, Sammy Sosa should never have been MVP since he was so incredibly selfish.) I'm sure Harper remains the leading candidate, but his team's slide from contention can't help his chances.
And by my definition the most valuable player is the player who is the best and also produces the most value (which we can now helpfully measure in WAR) for his team. Which in this case is Bryce Harper. The guy shouldn't be punished because the rest of his team blows, it should be even more impressive that he managed to almost singlehandedly keep the Nats in the race for half of the season.
So, is there any circumstance you can envision where the guy with the highest WAR doesn't automatically get the award?
Quote from: PenFoe on September 28, 2015, 12:06:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 12:04:40 PM
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Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 11:43:30 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on September 28, 2015, 11:38:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 11:29:06 AM
Honestly, the fact that a fight happened isn't what bothers me. I know that happens all of the time. It's that we can't even look at that fight and agree unanimously that the guy who choked out the other guy for no fucking reason was the one that was in the wrong.
Why can't they both be wrong?
If you and a neighbor are fighting about dog poop on your yard, and he ends up choking you about it, are you going to say it's your bad for arguing in the first place? Everyone has arguments, if you choke a guy who didn't attack you in any way, you're the dumbass who took it too far.
I mean to clarify I'm not saying it's wrong to not like Bryce Harper's attitude. If his arrogance turns you off or whatever, fine. I'm also not saying he didn't scream back at Papelbon and say "let's go" or whatever. It still doesn't make it right to choke someone. That's a line you shouldn't cross, and the bizarre barrier we have between what's acceptable in real life and in professional sports doesn't change that.
I absolutely agree with you. Papelbon seems like a real cancer. He had no right to choke Harper, even if Harper is an asshole.
It's partly because I want Cubs to win all the awards, unrealistic as that is, but I also partly think that the MVP should go to a playoff bound player who, hopefully, leads his team in more than just offensive categories. (By my own definition, Sammy Sosa should never have been MVP since he was so incredibly selfish.) I'm sure Harper remains the leading candidate, but his team's slide from contention can't help his chances.
And by my definition the most valuable player is the player who is the best and also produces the most value (which we can now helpfully measure in WAR) for his team. Which in this case is Bryce Harper. The guy shouldn't be punished because the rest of his team blows, it should be even more impressive that he managed to almost singlehandedly keep the Nats in the race for half of the season.
So, is there any circumstance you can envision where the guy with the highest WAR doesn't automatically get the award?
2 years ago? Or is that the joke.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 28, 2015, 12:06:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 12:04:40 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on September 28, 2015, 12:01:49 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 11:43:30 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on September 28, 2015, 11:38:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 11:29:06 AM
Honestly, the fact that a fight happened isn't what bothers me. I know that happens all of the time. It's that we can't even look at that fight and agree unanimously that the guy who choked out the other guy for no fucking reason was the one that was in the wrong.
Why can't they both be wrong?
If you and a neighbor are fighting about dog poop on your yard, and he ends up choking you about it, are you going to say it's your bad for arguing in the first place? Everyone has arguments, if you choke a guy who didn't attack you in any way, you're the dumbass who took it too far.
I mean to clarify I'm not saying it's wrong to not like Bryce Harper's attitude. If his arrogance turns you off or whatever, fine. I'm also not saying he didn't scream back at Papelbon and say "let's go" or whatever. It still doesn't make it right to choke someone. That's a line you shouldn't cross, and the bizarre barrier we have between what's acceptable in real life and in professional sports doesn't change that.
I absolutely agree with you. Papelbon seems like a real cancer. He had no right to choke Harper, even if Harper is an asshole.
It's partly because I want Cubs to win all the awards, unrealistic as that is, but I also partly think that the MVP should go to a playoff bound player who, hopefully, leads his team in more than just offensive categories. (By my own definition, Sammy Sosa should never have been MVP since he was so incredibly selfish.) I'm sure Harper remains the leading candidate, but his team's slide from contention can't help his chances.
And by my definition the most valuable player is the player who is the best and also produces the most value (which we can now helpfully measure in WAR) for his team. Which in this case is Bryce Harper. The guy shouldn't be punished because the rest of his team blows, it should be even more impressive that he managed to almost singlehandedly keep the Nats in the race for half of the season.
So, is there any circumstance you can envision where the guy with the highest WAR doesn't automatically get the award?
If his name is Ryan Braun.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 28, 2015, 12:06:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 12:04:40 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on September 28, 2015, 12:01:49 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 11:43:30 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on September 28, 2015, 11:38:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 11:29:06 AM
Honestly, the fact that a fight happened isn't what bothers me. I know that happens all of the time. It's that we can't even look at that fight and agree unanimously that the guy who choked out the other guy for no fucking reason was the one that was in the wrong.
Why can't they both be wrong?
If you and a neighbor are fighting about dog poop on your yard, and he ends up choking you about it, are you going to say it's your bad for arguing in the first place? Everyone has arguments, if you choke a guy who didn't attack you in any way, you're the dumbass who took it too far.
I mean to clarify I'm not saying it's wrong to not like Bryce Harper's attitude. If his arrogance turns you off or whatever, fine. I'm also not saying he didn't scream back at Papelbon and say "let's go" or whatever. It still doesn't make it right to choke someone. That's a line you shouldn't cross, and the bizarre barrier we have between what's acceptable in real life and in professional sports doesn't change that.
I absolutely agree with you. Papelbon seems like a real cancer. He had no right to choke Harper, even if Harper is an asshole.
It's partly because I want Cubs to win all the awards, unrealistic as that is, but I also partly think that the MVP should go to a playoff bound player who, hopefully, leads his team in more than just offensive categories. (By my own definition, Sammy Sosa should never have been MVP since he was so incredibly selfish.) I'm sure Harper remains the leading candidate, but his team's slide from contention can't help his chances.
And by my definition the most valuable player is the player who is the best and also produces the most value (which we can now helpfully measure in WAR) for his team. Which in this case is Bryce Harper. The guy shouldn't be punished because the rest of his team blows, it should be even more impressive that he managed to almost singlehandedly keep the Nats in the race for half of the season.
So, is there any circumstance you can envision where the guy with the highest WAR doesn't automatically get the award?
That I can envision? Sure. Lots of scenarios, because it happens all of the time. But in this case there should be no argument, it's Harper.
If you look over at the AL I can understand going with Donaldson or Trout, even if one will end up with a slight edge in WAR over the other. WAR isn't so perfect that it doesn't have a slight margin for error and I think you can make an argument for either player.
When it's a case of the only guy not named Barry Bonds to post an OPS + of 200 in this century vs a bunch of people who didn't do that, umm, no, go with that dude.
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Honestly, the fact that a fight happened isn't what bothers me. I know that happens all of the time. It's that we can't even look at that fight and agree unanimously that the guy who choked out the other guy for no fucking reason was the one that was in the wrong.
Why can't they both be wrong?
If you and a neighbor are fighting about dog poop on your yard, and he ends up choking you about it, are you going to say it's your bad for arguing in the first place? Everyone has arguments, if you choke a guy who didn't attack you in any way, you're the dumbass who took it too far.
I mean to clarify I'm not saying it's wrong to not like Bryce Harper's attitude. If his arrogance turns you off or whatever, fine. I'm also not saying he didn't scream back at Papelbon and say "let's go" or whatever. It still doesn't make it right to choke someone. That's a line you shouldn't cross, and the bizarre barrier we have between what's acceptable in real life and in professional sports doesn't change that.
I absolutely agree with you. Papelbon seems like a real cancer. He had no right to choke Harper, even if Harper is an asshole.
It's partly because I want Cubs to win all the awards, unrealistic as that is, but I also partly think that the MVP should go to a playoff bound player who, hopefully, leads his team in more than just offensive categories. (By my own definition, Sammy Sosa should never have been MVP since he was so incredibly selfish.) I'm sure Harper remains the leading candidate, but his team's slide from contention can't help his chances.
And by my definition the most valuable player is the player who is the best and also produces the most value (which we can now helpfully measure in WAR) for his team. Which in this case is Bryce Harper. The guy shouldn't be punished because the rest of his team blows, it should be even more impressive that he managed to almost singlehandedly keep the Nats in the race for half of the season.
So, is there any circumstance you can envision where the guy with the highest WAR doesn't automatically get the award?
2 years ago? Or is that the joke.
No, real question. Wasn't making a joke.
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I mean it's all dumb as shit, but if I am remembering correctly Barrett flailed away at Carlos,
No. Z came in the dugout and questioned Barrett. Barrett pointed to the field and Z went postal.
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and he also cold-cocked Pierzynski the year before.
Yes.
I suppose I should go ahead and admit that I loved BOTH of those moments immensely, if only because I was an angry negative human during those years.
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I mean it's all dumb as shit, but if I am remembering correctly Barrett flailed away at Carlos,
No. Z came in the dugout and questioned Barrett. Barrett pointed to the field and Z went postal.
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and he also cold-cocked Pierzynski the year before.
Yes.
I suppose I should go ahead and admit that I loved BOTH of those moments immensely, if only because I was an angry negative human during those years.
Yeah, I don't think you are a bad person for finding that amusing. I should clarify I find the Harper-Papelbon thing amusing. Nobody was seriously hurt and other teams melting down is hysterical. I just think the aftermath shouldn't consist of people blaming Harper for it. I mean, Barrett was an asshat, and I can admit that Z went too far in attacking him while also admitting that it was fun to watch him go. I think even the most stalwart Carlos defenders here will admit the dude had issues.
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Honestly, the fact that a fight happened isn't what bothers me. I know that happens all of the time. It's that we can't even look at that fight and agree unanimously that the guy who choked out the other guy for no fucking reason was the one that was in the wrong.
Why can't they both be wrong?
If you and a neighbor are fighting about dog poop on your yard, and he ends up choking you about it, are you going to say it's your bad for arguing in the first place? Everyone has arguments, if you choke a guy who didn't attack you in any way, you're the dumbass who took it too far.
I mean to clarify I'm not saying it's wrong to not like Bryce Harper's attitude. If his arrogance turns you off or whatever, fine. I'm also not saying he didn't scream back at Papelbon and say "let's go" or whatever. It still doesn't make it right to choke someone. That's a line you shouldn't cross, and the bizarre barrier we have between what's acceptable in real life and in professional sports doesn't change that.
I absolutely agree with you. Papelbon seems like a real cancer. He had no right to choke Harper, even if Harper is an asshole.
It's partly because I want Cubs to win all the awards, unrealistic as that is, but I also partly think that the MVP should go to a playoff bound player who, hopefully, leads his team in more than just offensive categories. (By my own definition, Sammy Sosa should never have been MVP since he was so incredibly selfish.) I'm sure Harper remains the leading candidate, but his team's slide from contention can't help his chances.
The Cubs making the playoffs in 1998 was what won Sosa the MVP over McGwire.
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Honestly, the fact that a fight happened isn't what bothers me. I know that happens all of the time. It's that we can't even look at that fight and agree unanimously that the guy who choked out the other guy for no fucking reason was the one that was in the wrong.
Why can't they both be wrong?
If you and a neighbor are fighting about dog poop on your yard, and he ends up choking you about it, are you going to say it's your bad for arguing in the first place? Everyone has arguments, if you choke a guy who didn't attack you in any way, you're the dumbass who took it too far.
I mean to clarify I'm not saying it's wrong to not like Bryce Harper's attitude. If his arrogance turns you off or whatever, fine. I'm also not saying he didn't scream back at Papelbon and say "let's go" or whatever. It still doesn't make it right to choke someone. That's a line you shouldn't cross, and the bizarre barrier we have between what's acceptable in real life and in professional sports doesn't change that.
I absolutely agree with you. Papelbon seems like a real cancer. He had no right to choke Harper, even if Harper is an asshole.
It's partly because I want Cubs to win all the awards, unrealistic as that is, but I also partly think that the MVP should go to a playoff bound player who, hopefully, leads his team in more than just offensive categories. (By my own definition, Sammy Sosa should never have been MVP since he was so incredibly selfish.) I'm sure Harper remains the leading candidate, but his team's slide from contention can't help his chances.
The Cubs making the playoffs in 1998 was what won Sosa the MVP over McGwire.
I accidentally clicked your name and got your profile page and apparently it's your birthday, so happy birthday and go Cubs and stuff.
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I mean it's all dumb as shit, but if I am remembering correctly Barrett flailed away at Carlos,
No. Z came in the dugout and questioned Barrett. Barrett pointed to the field and Z went postal.
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and he also cold-cocked Pierzynski the year before.
Yes.
I suppose I should go ahead and admit that I loved BOTH of those moments immensely, if only because I was an angry negative human during those years.
Yeah, I don't think you are a bad person for finding that amusing. I should clarify I find the Harper-Papelbon thing amusing. Nobody was seriously hurt and other teams melting down is hysterical. I just think the aftermath shouldn't consist of people blaming Harper for it. I mean, Barrett was an asshat, and I can admit that Z went too far in attacking him while also admitting that it was fun to watch him go. I think even the most stalwart Carlos defenders here will admit the dude had issues.
I just want to add that my new favorite part of the Nationals slap fight is that Matt Williams apparently had no idea what had happened.
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I mean it's all dumb as shit, but if I am remembering correctly Barrett flailed away at Carlos,
No. Z came in the dugout and questioned Barrett. Barrett pointed to the field and Z went postal.
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and he also cold-cocked Pierzynski the year before.
Yes.
I suppose I should go ahead and admit that I loved BOTH of those moments immensely, if only because I was an angry negative human during those years.
Yeah, I don't think you are a bad person for finding that amusing. I should clarify I find the Harper-Papelbon thing amusing. Nobody was seriously hurt and other teams melting down is hysterical. I just think the aftermath shouldn't consist of people blaming Harper for it. I mean, Barrett was an asshat, and I can admit that Z went too far in attacking him while also admitting that it was fun to watch him go. I think even the most stalwart Carlos defenders here will admit the dude had issues.
I just want to add that my new favorite part of the Nationals slap fight season is that Matt Williams apparently had no idea what had happened.
Agreed.
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I mean it's all dumb as shit, but if I am remembering correctly Barrett flailed away at Carlos,
No. Z came in the dugout and questioned Barrett. Barrett pointed to the field and Z went postal.
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and he also cold-cocked Pierzynski the year before.
Yes.
I suppose I should go ahead and admit that I loved BOTH of those moments immensely, if only because I was an angry negative human during those years.
Yeah, I don't think you are a bad person for finding that amusing. I should clarify I find the Harper-Papelbon thing amusing. Nobody was seriously hurt and other teams melting down is hysterical. I just think the aftermath shouldn't consist of people blaming Harper for it. I mean, Barrett was an asshat, and I can admit that Z went too far in attacking him while also admitting that it was fun to watch him go. I think even the most stalwart Carlos defenders here will admit the dude had issues.
I just want to add that my new favorite part of the Nationals slap fight season is that Matt Williams apparently had no idea what had happened.
Agreed.
The Nationals have suspended Harper for 4 games. He also dropped his 3-game suspension for throwing at Machado. He's done for the year. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/09/nationals-suspend-jonathan-papelbon.html)
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I mean it's all dumb as shit, but if I am remembering correctly Barrett flailed away at Carlos,
No. Z came in the dugout and questioned Barrett. Barrett pointed to the field and Z went postal.
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and he also cold-cocked Pierzynski the year before.
Yes.
I suppose I should go ahead and admit that I loved BOTH of those moments immensely, if only because I was an angry negative human during those years.
Yeah, I don't think you are a bad person for finding that amusing. I should clarify I find the Harper-Papelbon thing amusing. Nobody was seriously hurt and other teams melting down is hysterical. I just think the aftermath shouldn't consist of people blaming Harper for it. I mean, Barrett was an asshat, and I can admit that Z went too far in attacking him while also admitting that it was fun to watch him go. I think even the most stalwart Carlos defenders here will admit the dude had issues.
I just want to add that my new favorite part of the Nationals slap fight season is that Matt Williams apparently had no idea what had happened.
Agreed.
The Nationals have suspended HarperPapelbon for 4 games. He also dropped his 3-game suspension for throwing at Machado. He's done for the year. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/09/nationals-suspend-jonathan-papelbon.html)
FTFY
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I mean it's all dumb as shit, but if I am remembering correctly Barrett flailed away at Carlos,
No. Z came in the dugout and questioned Barrett. Barrett pointed to the field and Z went postal.
Quote
and he also cold-cocked Pierzynski the year before.
Yes.
I suppose I should go ahead and admit that I loved BOTH of those moments immensely, if only because I was an angry negative human during those years.
Yeah, I don't think you are a bad person for finding that amusing. I should clarify I find the Harper-Papelbon thing amusing. Nobody was seriously hurt and other teams melting down is hysterical. I just think the aftermath shouldn't consist of people blaming Harper for it. I mean, Barrett was an asshat, and I can admit that Z went too far in attacking him while also admitting that it was fun to watch him go. I think even the most stalwart Carlos defenders here will admit the dude had issues.
I just want to add that my new favorite part of the Nationals slap fight season is that Matt Williams apparently had no idea what had happened.
Agreed.
The Nationals have suspended HarperPapelbon for 4 games. He also dropped the appeal of his 3-game suspension for throwing at Machado. He's done for the year. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/09/nationals-suspend-jonathan-papelbon.html)
FTFY
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Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2015, 11:25:38 AM
I mean it's all dumb as shit, but if I am remembering correctly Barrett flailed away at Carlos,
No. Z came in the dugout and questioned Barrett. Barrett pointed to the field and Z went postal.
Quote
and he also cold-cocked Pierzynski the year before.
Yes.
I suppose I should go ahead and admit that I loved BOTH of those moments immensely, if only because I was an angry negative human during those years.
Yeah, I don't think you are a bad person for finding that amusing. I should clarify I find the Harper-Papelbon thing amusing. Nobody was seriously hurt and other teams melting down is hysterical. I just think the aftermath shouldn't consist of people blaming Harper for it. I mean, Barrett was an asshat, and I can admit that Z went too far in attacking him while also admitting that it was fun to watch him go. I think even the most stalwart Carlos defenders here will admit the dude had issues.
I just want to add that my new favorite part of the Nationals slap fight season is that Matt Williams apparently had no idea what had happened.
Agreed.
The Nationals have suspended HarperPapelbon for 4 games. He also dropped the appeal of his 3-game suspension for throwing at Machado. He's done for the year. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/09/nationals-suspend-jonathan-papelbon.html)
FTFY
Holy shit, I'm a fucking dope. Thanks for the corrections.
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I mean it's all dumb as shit, but if I am remembering correctly Barrett flailed away at Carlos,
No. Z came in the dugout and questioned Barrett. Barrett pointed to the field and Z went postal.
Quote
and he also cold-cocked Pierzynski the year before.
Yes.
I suppose I should go ahead and admit that I loved BOTH of those moments immensely, if only because I was an angry negative human during those years.
Yeah, I don't think you are a bad person for finding that amusing. I should clarify I find the Harper-Papelbon thing amusing. Nobody was seriously hurt and other teams melting down is hysterical. I just think the aftermath shouldn't consist of people blaming Harper for it. I mean, Barrett was an asshat, and I can admit that Z went too far in attacking him while also admitting that it was fun to watch him go. I think even the most stalwart Carlos defenders here will admit the dude had issues.
I just want to add that my new favorite part of the Nationals slap fight season is that Matt Williams apparently had no idea what had happened.
Agreed.
The Nationals have suspended HarperPapelbon for 4 games. He also dropped the appeal of his 3-game suspension for throwing at Machado. He's done for the year. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/09/nationals-suspend-jonathan-papelbon.html)
FTFY
Holy shit, I've smoked about a quarter-ounce of 'm a fucking dope. Thanks for the corrections.
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Honestly, the fact that a fight happened isn't what bothers me. I know that happens all of the time. It's that we can't even look at that fight and agree unanimously that the guy who choked out the other guy for no fucking reason was the one that was in the wrong.
Why can't they both be wrong?
If you and a neighbor are fighting about dog poop on your yard, and he ends up choking you about it, are you going to say it's your bad for arguing in the first place? Everyone has arguments, if you choke a guy who didn't attack you in any way, you're the dumbass who took it too far.
I mean to clarify I'm not saying it's wrong to not like Bryce Harper's attitude. If his arrogance turns you off or whatever, fine. I'm also not saying he didn't scream back at Papelbon and say "let's go" or whatever. It still doesn't make it right to choke someone. That's a line you shouldn't cross, and the bizarre barrier we have between what's acceptable in real life and in professional sports doesn't change that.
I absolutely agree with you. Papelbon seems like a real cancer. He had no right to choke Harper, even if Harper is an asshole.
It's partly because I want Cubs to win all the awards, unrealistic as that is, but I also partly think that the MVP should go to a playoff bound player who, hopefully, leads his team in more than just offensive categories. (By my own definition, Sammy Sosa should never have been MVP since he was so incredibly selfish.) I'm sure Harper remains the leading candidate, but his team's slide from contention can't help his chances.
The Cubs making the playoffs in 1998 was what won Sosa the MVP over McGwire.
I accidentally clicked your name and got your profile page and apparently it's your birthday, so happy birthday and go Cubs and stuff.
Thanks. Nice to know my annual tradition of going to the ballgame for my birthday/last game of the season is just for my birthday this year.
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Honestly, the fact that a fight happened isn't what bothers me. I know that happens all of the time. It's that we can't even look at that fight and agree unanimously that the guy who choked out the other guy for no fucking reason was the one that was in the wrong.
Why can't they both be wrong?
If you and a neighbor are fighting about dog poop on your yard, and he ends up choking you about it, are you going to say it's your bad for arguing in the first place? Everyone has arguments, if you choke a guy who didn't attack you in any way, you're the dumbass who took it too far.
I mean to clarify I'm not saying it's wrong to not like Bryce Harper's attitude. If his arrogance turns you off or whatever, fine. I'm also not saying he didn't scream back at Papelbon and say "let's go" or whatever. It still doesn't make it right to choke someone. That's a line you shouldn't cross, and the bizarre barrier we have between what's acceptable in real life and in professional sports doesn't change that.
I absolutely agree with you. Papelbon seems like a real cancer. He had no right to choke Harper, even if Harper is an asshole.
It's partly because I want Cubs to win all the awards, unrealistic as that is, but I also partly think that the MVP should go to a playoff bound player who, hopefully, leads his team in more than just offensive categories. (By my own definition, Sammy Sosa should never have been MVP since he was so incredibly selfish.) I'm sure Harper remains the leading candidate, but his team's slide from contention can't help his chances.
The Cubs making the playoffs in 1998 was what won Sosa the MVP over McGwire.
I accidentally clicked your name and got your profile page and apparently it's your birthday, so happy birthday and go Cubs and stuff.
Thanks. Nice to know my annual tradition of going to the ballgame for my birthday/last game of the season is just for my birthday this year.
The Cubs are usually long since done by the time mine comes around in mid-October. Hopefully not this year.
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I mean it's all dumb as shit, but if I am remembering correctly Barrett flailed away at Carlos,
No. Z came in the dugout and questioned Barrett. Barrett pointed to the field and Z went postal.
Quote
and he also cold-cocked Pierzynski the year before.
Yes.
I suppose I should go ahead and admit that I loved BOTH of those moments immensely, if only because I was an angry negative human during those years.
Yeah, I don't think you are a bad person for finding that amusing. I should clarify I find the Harper-Papelbon thing amusing. Nobody was seriously hurt and other teams melting down is hysterical. I just think the aftermath shouldn't consist of people blaming Harper for it. I mean, Barrett was an asshat, and I can admit that Z went too far in attacking him while also admitting that it was fun to watch him go. I think even the most stalwart Carlos defenders here will admit the dude had issues.
I just want to add that my new favorite part of the Nationals slap fight season is that Matt Williams apparently had no idea what had happened.
Agreed.
The Nationals have suspended HarperPapelbon for 4 games. He also dropped the appeal of his 3-game suspension for throwing at Machado. He's done for the year. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/09/nationals-suspend-jonathan-papelbon.html)
FTFY
Holy shit, I'm a fucking dope. Thanks for the corrections.
All that was missing from a "full Pank" was fucking up the quote box.
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Honestly, the fact that a fight happened isn't what bothers me. I know that happens all of the time. It's that we can't even look at that fight and agree unanimously that the guy who choked out the other guy for no fucking reason was the one that was in the wrong.
Why can't they both be wrong?
If you and a neighbor are fighting about dog poop on your yard, and he ends up choking you about it, are you going to say it's your bad for arguing in the first place? Everyone has arguments, if you choke a guy who didn't attack you in any way, you're the dumbass who took it too far.
I mean to clarify I'm not saying it's wrong to not like Bryce Harper's attitude. If his arrogance turns you off or whatever, fine. I'm also not saying he didn't scream back at Papelbon and say "let's go" or whatever. It still doesn't make it right to choke someone. That's a line you shouldn't cross, and the bizarre barrier we have between what's acceptable in real life and in professional sports doesn't change that.
I absolutely agree with you. Papelbon seems like a real cancer. He had no right to choke Harper, even if Harper is an asshole.
It's partly because I want Cubs to win all the awards, unrealistic as that is, but I also partly think that the MVP should go to a playoff bound player who, hopefully, leads his team in more than just offensive categories. (By my own definition, Sammy Sosa should never have been MVP since he was so incredibly selfish.) I'm sure Harper remains the leading candidate, but his team's slide from contention can't help his chances.
The Cubs making the playoffs in 1998 was what won Sosa the MVP over McGwire.
I accidentally clicked your name and got your profile page and apparently it's your birthday, so happy birthday and go Cubs and stuff.
Thanks. Nice to know my annual tradition of going to the ballgame for my birthday/last game of the season is just for my birthday this year.
The Cubs are usually long since done by the time mine comes around in mid-October. Hopefully not this year.
Until fairly recently, they were largely worthless by my early June birthday.
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Honestly, the fact that a fight happened isn't what bothers me. I know that happens all of the time. It's that we can't even look at that fight and agree unanimously that the guy who choked out the other guy for no fucking reason was the one that was in the wrong.
Why can't they both be wrong?
If you and a neighbor are fighting about dog poop on your yard, and he ends up choking you about it, are you going to say it's your bad for arguing in the first place? Everyone has arguments, if you choke a guy who didn't attack you in any way, you're the dumbass who took it too far.
I mean to clarify I'm not saying it's wrong to not like Bryce Harper's attitude. If his arrogance turns you off or whatever, fine. I'm also not saying he didn't scream back at Papelbon and say "let's go" or whatever. It still doesn't make it right to choke someone. That's a line you shouldn't cross, and the bizarre barrier we have between what's acceptable in real life and in professional sports doesn't change that.
I absolutely agree with you. Papelbon seems like a real cancer. He had no right to choke Harper, even if Harper is an asshole.
It's partly because I want Cubs to win all the awards, unrealistic as that is, but I also partly think that the MVP should go to a playoff bound player who, hopefully, leads his team in more than just offensive categories. (By my own definition, Sammy Sosa should never have been MVP since he was so incredibly selfish.) I'm sure Harper remains the leading candidate, but his team's slide from contention can't help his chances.
The Cubs making the playoffs in 1998 was what won Sosa the MVP over McGwire.
I accidentally clicked your name and got your profile page and apparently it's your birthday, so happy birthday and go Cubs and stuff.
Thanks. Nice to know my annual tradition of going to the ballgame for my birthday/last game of the season is just for my birthday this year.
The Cubs are usually long since done by the time mine comes around in mid-October. Hopefully not this year.
Until fairly recently, they were largely worthless by my early June birthday.
The last six years they've been largely worthless by
my birthday: St. Patrick's Day.
My birthday is in April.
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My birthday is in April.
Mine's September 6th. It usually falls on labor day weekend, so that's pretty nice. I'm glad we all took this time to get to know each other better.
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Honestly, the fact that a fight happened isn't what bothers me. I know that happens all of the time. It's that we can't even look at that fight and agree unanimously that the guy who choked out the other guy for no fucking reason was the one that was in the wrong.
Why can't they both be wrong?
If you and a neighbor are fighting about dog poop on your yard, and he ends up choking you about it, are you going to say it's your bad for arguing in the first place? Everyone has arguments, if you choke a guy who didn't attack you in any way, you're the dumbass who took it too far.
I mean to clarify I'm not saying it's wrong to not like Bryce Harper's attitude. If his arrogance turns you off or whatever, fine. I'm also not saying he didn't scream back at Papelbon and say "let's go" or whatever. It still doesn't make it right to choke someone. That's a line you shouldn't cross, and the bizarre barrier we have between what's acceptable in real life and in professional sports doesn't change that.
I absolutely agree with you. Papelbon seems like a real cancer. He had no right to choke Harper, even if Harper is an asshole.
It's partly because I want Cubs to win all the awards, unrealistic as that is, but I also partly think that the MVP should go to a playoff bound player who, hopefully, leads his team in more than just offensive categories. (By my own definition, Sammy Sosa should never have been MVP since he was so incredibly selfish.) I'm sure Harper remains the leading candidate, but his team's slide from contention can't help his chances.
The Cubs making the playoffs in 1998 was what won Sosa the MVP over McGwire.
I accidentally clicked your name and got your profile page and apparently it's your birthday, so happy birthday and go Cubs and stuff.
Thanks. Nice to know my annual tradition of going to the ballgame for my birthday/last game of the season is just for my birthday this year.
The Cubs are usually long since done by the time mine comes around in mid-October. Hopefully not this year.
Birthday buddies! *fist bump*
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Honestly, the fact that a fight happened isn't what bothers me. I know that happens all of the time. It's that we can't even look at that fight and agree unanimously that the guy who choked out the other guy for no fucking reason was the one that was in the wrong.
Why can't they both be wrong?
If you and a neighbor are fighting about dog poop on your yard, and he ends up choking you about it, are you going to say it's your bad for arguing in the first place? Everyone has arguments, if you choke a guy who didn't attack you in any way, you're the dumbass who took it too far.
I mean to clarify I'm not saying it's wrong to not like Bryce Harper's attitude. If his arrogance turns you off or whatever, fine. I'm also not saying he didn't scream back at Papelbon and say "let's go" or whatever. It still doesn't make it right to choke someone. That's a line you shouldn't cross, and the bizarre barrier we have between what's acceptable in real life and in professional sports doesn't change that.
I absolutely agree with you. Papelbon seems like a real cancer. He had no right to choke Harper, even if Harper is an asshole.
It's partly because I want Cubs to win all the awards, unrealistic as that is, but I also partly think that the MVP should go to a playoff bound player who, hopefully, leads his team in more than just offensive categories. (By my own definition, Sammy Sosa should never have been MVP since he was so incredibly selfish.) I'm sure Harper remains the leading candidate, but his team's slide from contention can't help his chances.
The Cubs making the playoffs in 1998 was what won Sosa the MVP over McGwire.
I accidentally clicked your name and got your profile page and apparently it's your birthday, so happy birthday and go Cubs and stuff.
Thanks. Nice to know my annual tradition of going to the ballgame for my birthday/last game of the season is just for my birthday this year.
The Cubs are usually long since done by the time mine comes around in mid-October. Hopefully not this year.
Birthday buddies! *fist bump*
Bizarre math-geek fact: statistically speaking, if you are in a room with at least 23 people, then the odds are probable that there are two people in the room who share a birthday. This is a bizarre thing, since statistically speaking the odds should be small since there are 365 days in a year.
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Honestly, the fact that a fight happened isn't what bothers me. I know that happens all of the time. It's that we can't even look at that fight and agree unanimously that the guy who choked out the other guy for no fucking reason was the one that was in the wrong.
Why can't they both be wrong?
If you and a neighbor are fighting about dog poop on your yard, and he ends up choking you about it, are you going to say it's your bad for arguing in the first place? Everyone has arguments, if you choke a guy who didn't attack you in any way, you're the dumbass who took it too far.
I mean to clarify I'm not saying it's wrong to not like Bryce Harper's attitude. If his arrogance turns you off or whatever, fine. I'm also not saying he didn't scream back at Papelbon and say "let's go" or whatever. It still doesn't make it right to choke someone. That's a line you shouldn't cross, and the bizarre barrier we have between what's acceptable in real life and in professional sports doesn't change that.
I absolutely agree with you. Papelbon seems like a real cancer. He had no right to choke Harper, even if Harper is an asshole.
It's partly because I want Cubs to win all the awards, unrealistic as that is, but I also partly think that the MVP should go to a playoff bound player who, hopefully, leads his team in more than just offensive categories. (By my own definition, Sammy Sosa should never have been MVP since he was so incredibly selfish.) I'm sure Harper remains the leading candidate, but his team's slide from contention can't help his chances.
The Cubs making the playoffs in 1998 was what won Sosa the MVP over McGwire.
I accidentally clicked your name and got your profile page and apparently it's your birthday, so happy birthday and go Cubs and stuff.
Thanks. Nice to know my annual tradition of going to the ballgame for my birthday/last game of the season is just for my birthday this year.
The Cubs are usually long since done by the time mine comes around in mid-October. Hopefully not this year.
Birthday buddies! *fist bump*
Bizarre math-geek fact: statistically speaking, if you are in a room with at least 23 people, then the odds are probable 50%[ /b]that there are two people in the room who share a birthday. This is a bizarre thing, since statistically speaking the odds should be small since there are 365 days in a year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem
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I mean it's all dumb as shit, but if I am remembering correctly Barrett flailed away at Carlos,
No. Z came in the dugout and questioned Barrett. Barrett pointed to the field and Z went postal.
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and he also cold-cocked Pierzynski the year before.
Yes.
I suppose I should go ahead and admit that I loved BOTH of those moments immensely, if only because I was an angry negative human during those years.
Yeah, I don't think you are a bad person for finding that amusing. I should clarify I find the Harper-Papelbon thing amusing. Nobody was seriously hurt and other teams melting down is hysterical. I just think the aftermath shouldn't consist of people blaming Harper for it. I mean, Barrett was an asshat, and I can admit that Z went too far in attacking him while also admitting that it was fun to watch him go. I think even the most stalwart Carlos defenders here will admit the dude had issues.
I just want to add that my new favorite part of the Nationals slap fight season is that Matt Williams apparently had no idea what had happened.
Agreed.
The Nationals have suspended HarperPapelbon for 4 games. He also dropped the appeal of his 3-game suspension for throwing at Machado. He's done for the year. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/09/nationals-suspend-jonathan-papelbon.html)
FTFY
Holy shit, I've smoked about a quarter-ounce of 'm a fucking dope. Thanks for the corrections.
Actually, my excuse is the opposite of that. I haven't toked since I left Colorado.