I was 100% sure Harrison Ford only signed up so Han could be killed off for good. The movie basically was Han saying "I'm only three days away from retirement" short of giving out every cliche possible indicating he was going to die. The entire scene with Kylo Ren was way too drawn out when it was obvious what was going to happen the whole time.....
...and yet goddammit Han Solo is dead and it hurts.
That was my only real complaint about the movie, they overdid that scene just a bit much. I didn't care for Rey hearing the word "Force" and suddenly realizing she can use the Jedi Mind Trick, but oh well, she was great. I am glad they showed Chewie shooting Kylo Ren and had him hitting his wound during the fight so that it made a novice beating him in a lightsaber duel more plausible.
They did a great job of giving you just enough info to get you really interested in knowing more. How did the Empire become the First Order? Who is Snoke? How did he seduce Ben Solo? Was he someone Luke trusted?
Also "that's not how the force works!" was maybe the funniest line in the entire franchise.
Quote from: SKO on December 21, 2015, 10:01:44 AM
I was 100% sure Harrison Ford only signed up so Han could be killed off for good. The movie basically was Han saying "I'm only three days away from retirement" short of giving out every cliche possible indicating he was going to die. The entire scene with Kylo Ren was way too drawn out when it was obvious what was going to happen the whole time.....
I had it spoiled for me by some random asshole on Twitter -- screenshot and all -- so I knew it was coming. Overall, I thought the scene was pretty well done. The moment where he yells out "BEN!" was goosebump-worthy.
I actually was most bummed out about it a little later when I realized that there'd be no Han/Luke bromance reunion in future movies.
QuoteThey did a great job of giving you just enough info to get you really interested in knowing more. How did the Empire become the First Order? Who is Snoke? How did he seduce Ben Solo? Was he someone Luke trusted?
Also, what is Rey's heritage (if any)? I really like her character a lot.
QuoteAlso "that's not how the force works!" was maybe the funniest line in the entire franchise.
That also got the biggest laugh from me. Runner-up goes to Poe asking "Are you talking first?" and mocking how hard Kylo Ren was to understand through his helmet.
Quote from: Eli on December 21, 2015, 10:11:18 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 21, 2015, 10:01:44 AM
I was 100% sure Harrison Ford only signed up so Han could be killed off for good. The movie basically was Han saying "I'm only three days away from retirement" short of giving out every cliche possible indicating he was going to die. The entire scene with Kylo Ren was way too drawn out when it was obvious what was going to happen the whole time.....
I had it spoiled for me by some random asshole on Twitter -- screenshot and all -- so I knew it was coming. Overall, I thought the scene was pretty well done. The moment where he yells out "BEN!" was goosebump-worthy.
I actually was most bummed out about it a little later when I realized that there'd be no Han/Luke bromance reunion in future movies.
QuoteThey did a great job of giving you just enough info to get you really interested in knowing more. How did the Empire become the First Order? Who is Snoke? How did he seduce Ben Solo? Was he someone Luke trusted?
Also, what is Rey's heritage (if any)? I really like her character a lot.
QuoteAlso "that's not how the force works!" was maybe the funniest line in the entire franchise.
That also got the biggest laugh from me. Runner-up goes to Poe asking "Are you talking first?" and mocking how hard Kylo Ren was to understand through his helmet.
I am also sad Luke and Han won't run into each other again, especially since the way Han said "yeah, I knew Luke" there was just a tinge of bitterness there. He maybe (understandably) held Luke somewhat responsible for what happened to Ben?
Yeah, the dialogue of that scene was perfect, I think they overdid it by having it happen on a ridiculous over the top even by star wars standards sky bridge over a giant reactor core. It wasn't a lightsaber duel, it was a moment that would have benefitted from a slightly less distracting setting, I think. But they both acted the hell out of it. I also liked when Han touched Ben's face after he stabbed him and smiled, like he forgave him anyway.
As for Rey, they'll go into her heritage somehow. A lot of people think she's Ben's twin but I think that would be very odd that they just abandoned her, regardless of what happened to Ben. I also don't think she's Luke's kid. Someone suggested maybe she could related to Obi-Wan or something. We'll see.
Quote from: SKO on December 21, 2015, 10:01:44 AM
The entire scene with Kylo Ren was way too drawn out when it was obvious what was going to happen the whole time.....
First, I thought he was dead. "I know what I have to do, but I'm not sure I'm strong enough to do it."
Then, he loosened the grip on the saber and I thought, "OK. Maybe happy times ahead?"
Then, the sun went out. Poe's line just before of , "As long as there's light we have a chance!" sealed it.
I thought it was too drawn out AFTER Han get's sliced.
Still a little sad that the movie was more remake than newmake. How many scenes were taken almost directly from Star Wars and Empire - 8 or 9? But it was so well done I don't really care. I'm also very glad JJ isn't doing VIII. He's not a very original filmmaker.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 21, 2015, 10:34:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 21, 2015, 10:01:44 AM
The entire scene with Kylo Ren was way too drawn out when it was obvious what was going to happen the whole time.....
First, I thought he was dead. "I know what I have to do, but I'm not sure I'm strong enough to do it."
Then, he loosened the grip on the saber and I thought, "OK. Maybe happy times ahead?"
Then, the sun went out. Poe's line just before of , "As long as there's light we have a chance!" sealed it.
I thought it was too drawn out AFTER Han get's sliced.
Still a little sad that the movie was more remake than newmake. How many scenes were taken almost directly from Star Wars and Empire - 8 or 9? But it was so well done I don't really care. I'm also very glad JJ isn't doing VIII. He's not a very original filmmaker.
It definitely aped a New Hope in a lot of ways, but then again, A New Hope is about as bog standard a version of the Hero's Journey as you can get. Anytime you tell that story you're going to see strong similarities. Star Wars has never really been about original concepts. It's basic storytelling. It's all a matter of how well they execute the story and how well they use that universe and how much they make you care about the people going on the journey. It succeeded where it needed to.
Quote from: SKO on December 21, 2015, 10:43:18 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 21, 2015, 10:34:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 21, 2015, 10:01:44 AM
The entire scene with Kylo Ren was way too drawn out when it was obvious what was going to happen the whole time.....
First, I thought he was dead. "I know what I have to do, but I'm not sure I'm strong enough to do it."
Then, he loosened the grip on the saber and I thought, "OK. Maybe happy times ahead?"
Then, the sun went out. Poe's line just before of , "As long as there's light we have a chance!" sealed it.
I thought it was too drawn out AFTER Han get's sliced.
Still a little sad that the movie was more remake than newmake. How many scenes were taken almost directly from Star Wars and Empire - 8 or 9? But it was so well done I don't really care. I'm also very glad JJ isn't doing VIII. He's not a very original filmmaker.
It definitely aped a New Hope in a lot of ways, but then again, A New Hope is about as bog standard a version of the Hero's Journey as you can get. Anytime you tell that story you're going to see strong similarities. Star Wars has never really been about original concepts. It's basic storytelling. It's all a matter of how well they execute the story and how well they use that universe and how much they make you care about the people going on the journey. It succeeded where it needed to.
I'm not talking about the hero's arc, I'm talking about the specific settings and action points.
- Desert planet
- Hero desperately wants to leave
- Droid with the MacGuffin
- Bar with aliens where you can hire a ship
- Death Star redux
- Trench run
- Father vs. son on a bridge over an abyss
- Stormtrooper "I'm here to rescue you!"
- Guy in mask tortures rebel in prison
I mean, they even turned on the space chess board and showed the practice remote for fan service.
Again, so well done that I don't really care. That said, if Rian Johnson does this type of thing with VIII, it's going to suck. You have a nice new sandbox with fun characters to play with. Don't build the same castle again.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 21, 2015, 10:34:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 21, 2015, 10:01:44 AM
The entire scene with Kylo Ren was way too drawn out when it was obvious what was going to happen the whole time.....
First, I thought he was dead. "I know what I have to do, but I'm not sure I'm strong enough to do it."
Then, he loosened the grip on the saber and I thought, "OK. Maybe happy times ahead?"
Then, the sun went out. Poe's line just before of , "As long as there's light we have a chance!" sealed it.
I thought it was too drawn out AFTER Han get's sliced.
Still a little sad that the movie was more remake than newmake. How many scenes were taken almost directly from Star Wars and Empire - 8 or 9? But it was so well done I don't really care. I'm also very glad JJ isn't doing VIII. He's not a very original filmmaker.
Above all else, I think they wanted to make sure they did something enjoyable to avoid any prequel comparisons. The easiest way to do that was to go back to what they know worked. Having proven now that they can make something good, I think they might branch out a little more in Episode VIII, especially with Rian Johnson running the show. He's shown a bit more depth/range in his career than Abrams has.
Quote from: Eli on December 21, 2015, 10:53:57 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 21, 2015, 10:34:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 21, 2015, 10:01:44 AM
The entire scene with Kylo Ren was way too drawn out when it was obvious what was going to happen the whole time.....
First, I thought he was dead. "I know what I have to do, but I'm not sure I'm strong enough to do it."
Then, he loosened the grip on the saber and I thought, "OK. Maybe happy times ahead?"
Then, the sun went out. Poe's line just before of , "As long as there's light we have a chance!" sealed it.
I thought it was too drawn out AFTER Han get's sliced.
Still a little sad that the movie was more remake than newmake. How many scenes were taken almost directly from Star Wars and Empire - 8 or 9? But it was so well done I don't really care. I'm also very glad JJ isn't doing VIII. He's not a very original filmmaker.
Above all else, I think they wanted to make sure they did something enjoyable to avoid any prequel comparisons. The easiest way to do that was to go back to what they know worked. Having proven now that they can make something good, I think they might branch out a little more in Episode VIII, especially with Rian Johnson running the show. He's shown a bit more depth/range in his career than Abrams has.
Yep. (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/star-wars-8-the-force-awakens-sequel-is-in-pretty-safe-hands-with-director-rian-johnson-a6781591.html)
Quote from: Eli on December 21, 2015, 10:53:57 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 21, 2015, 10:34:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 21, 2015, 10:01:44 AM
The entire scene with Kylo Ren was way too drawn out when it was obvious what was going to happen the whole time.....
First, I thought he was dead. "I know what I have to do, but I'm not sure I'm strong enough to do it."
Then, he loosened the grip on the saber and I thought, "OK. Maybe happy times ahead?"
Then, the sun went out. Poe's line just before of , "As long as there's light we have a chance!" sealed it.
I thought it was too drawn out AFTER Han get's sliced.
Still a little sad that the movie was more remake than newmake. How many scenes were taken almost directly from Star Wars and Empire - 8 or 9? But it was so well done I don't really care. I'm also very glad JJ isn't doing VIII. He's not a very original filmmaker.
Above all else, I think they wanted to make sure they did something enjoyable to avoid any prequel comparisons. The easiest way to do that was to go back to what they know worked. Having proven now that they can make something good, I think they might branch out a little more in Episode VIII, especially with Rian Johnson running the show. He's shown a bit more depth/range in his career than Abrams has.
Yeah, so much of this will hinge on Episode 8 and 9 and how they follow up. Abrams wisely seems to have learned from the Star Trek Into Darkness mess that he needs to go out on top. The first Trek Movie he made was the same way: the new characters were great, the world was fun, the adventure was good, there was a lot of fan service and then a few really stupid plot contrivances that I tolerated because they had to find a way to get everybody where they needed to be by the end of the movie so the sequel could be a brand new adventure with a new cast.
Then the second movie ended up being a crappy recycled Wrath of Khan. As long as Episode VIII does something new with the new characters, and keeps the old characters in the supporting roles they should be in now, it'll be fine. If they keep cranking up the fan service that'll really wreck things. I think they'll do fine, but I am relieved Abrams was smart enough to do his part and move on.
Fun thing I apparently missed when watching the movie: during Rey's vision when she touches the lightsaber, she here's Obi-Wan Kenobi say "Rey, these are your first steps" alluding to him telling Luke "you've just taken your first steps into a larger world", and apparently Ewan McGregor recorded the "these are your first steps" line and they cut "Rey" out of Alec Guinness saying "afraid" so they were able to get Both Obi-Wans in there.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 21, 2015, 10:53:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 21, 2015, 10:43:18 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 21, 2015, 10:34:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 21, 2015, 10:01:44 AM
The entire scene with Kylo Ren was way too drawn out when it was obvious what was going to happen the whole time.....
First, I thought he was dead. "I know what I have to do, but I'm not sure I'm strong enough to do it."
Then, he loosened the grip on the saber and I thought, "OK. Maybe happy times ahead?"
Then, the sun went out. Poe's line just before of , "As long as there's light we have a chance!" sealed it.
I thought it was too drawn out AFTER Han get's sliced.
Still a little sad that the movie was more remake than newmake. How many scenes were taken almost directly from Star Wars and Empire - 8 or 9? But it was so well done I don't really care. I'm also very glad JJ isn't doing VIII. He's not a very original filmmaker.
It definitely aped a New Hope in a lot of ways, but then again, A New Hope is about as bog standard a version of the Hero's Journey as you can get. Anytime you tell that story you're going to see strong similarities. Star Wars has never really been about original concepts. It's basic storytelling. It's all a matter of how well they execute the story and how well they use that universe and how much they make you care about the people going on the journey. It succeeded where it needed to.
I'm not talking about the hero's arc, I'm talking about the specific settings and action points.
- Desert planet
- Hero desperately wants to leave
- Droid with the MacGuffin
- Bar with aliens where you can hire a ship
- Death Star redux
- Trench run
- Father vs. son on a bridge over an abyss
- Stormtrooper "I'm here to rescue you!"
- Guy in mask tortures rebel in prison
I mean, they even turned on the space chess board and showed the practice remote for fan service.
Again, so well done that I don't really care. That said, if Rian Johnson does this type of thing with VIII, it's going to suck. You have a nice new sandbox with fun characters to play with. Don't build the same castle again.
That's actually one of the few differences. Rey doesn't want to leave Jakku, and when she does all she can talk about it getting back so she doesn't miss her family when they come back for her.
I don't mind the similarities to ANH. I always thought the first prequel should have been more similar to it, so I can't really complain that they did it this time. But they could have mixed it up a little. Jakku didn't need to be a desert planet, and they didn't really need Starkiller Base to be a super weapon. They could have gone to a random First Order base to rescue Rey and have all the same other stuff happen without having to blow it up before it blew them up.
But overall I loved it. It was funny. The introduction of the Falcon was awesome. BB-8 was everything Jar Jar was supposed to be. Daisy Ridley was great, as was the rest of the new cast. I'll be going to see it again.
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I actually was most bummed out about it a little later when I realized that there'd be no Han/Luke bromance reunion in future movies.
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I am also sad Luke and Han won't run into each other again, especially since the way Han said "yeah, I knew Luke" there was just a tinge of bitterness there. He maybe (understandably) held Luke somewhat responsible for what happened to Ben?
I was worried about that happening before the movie even started. You had to figure Han was going to die, but I spent the first two thirds of the movie hoping Luke would show up first so they could be on screen together one more time.
Quote from: Tony on December 21, 2015, 12:31:46 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 21, 2015, 10:53:34 AM
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Quote from: SKO on December 21, 2015, 10:01:44 AM
The entire scene with Kylo Ren was way too drawn out when it was obvious what was going to happen the whole time.....
First, I thought he was dead. "I know what I have to do, but I'm not sure I'm strong enough to do it."
Then, he loosened the grip on the saber and I thought, "OK. Maybe happy times ahead?"
Then, the sun went out. Poe's line just before of , "As long as there's light we have a chance!" sealed it.
I thought it was too drawn out AFTER Han get's sliced.
Still a little sad that the movie was more remake than newmake. How many scenes were taken almost directly from Star Wars and Empire - 8 or 9? But it was so well done I don't really care. I'm also very glad JJ isn't doing VIII. He's not a very original filmmaker.
It definitely aped a New Hope in a lot of ways, but then again, A New Hope is about as bog standard a version of the Hero's Journey as you can get. Anytime you tell that story you're going to see strong similarities. Star Wars has never really been about original concepts. It's basic storytelling. It's all a matter of how well they execute the story and how well they use that universe and how much they make you care about the people going on the journey. It succeeded where it needed to.
I'm not talking about the hero's arc, I'm talking about the specific settings and action points.
- Desert planet
- Hero desperately wants to leave
- Droid with the MacGuffin
- Bar with aliens where you can hire a ship
- Death Star redux
- Trench run
- Father vs. son on a bridge over an abyss
- Stormtrooper "I'm here to rescue you!"
- Guy in mask tortures rebel in prison
I mean, they even turned on the space chess board and showed the practice remote for fan service.
Again, so well done that I don't really care. That said, if Rian Johnson does this type of thing with VIII, it's going to suck. You have a nice new sandbox with fun characters to play with. Don't build the same castle again.
That's actually one of the few differences. Rey doesn't want to leave Jakku, and when she does all she can talk about it getting back so she doesn't miss her family when they come back for her.
I don't mind the similarities to ANH. I always thought the first prequel should have been more similar to it, so I can't really complain that they did it this time. But they could have mixed it up a little. Jakku didn't need to be a desert planet, and they didn't really need Starkiller Base to be a super weapon. They could have gone to a random First Order base to rescue Rey and have all the same other stuff happen without having to blow it up before it blew them up.
But overall I loved it. It was funny. The introduction of the Falcon was awesome. BB-8 was everything Jar Jar was supposed to be. Daisy Ridley was great, as was the rest of the new cast. I'll be going to see it again.
It's true, the movie is basically no different if Starkiller Base is replaced with a non planet-destroying weapon. I guess the new Senate was on that planet it blew up? Eh, you could have had the First Order bomb the senate like a bunch of terrorists or something without recycling another superweapon.
But yeah, my complaints are all very minor. The main thing it did was create characters I give a shit about, which was the biggest failing of the prequels. You knew where Anakin and Obi-Wan were both going to end up, so the appeal of the movies had to come from how much you liked and cared about them and felt Anakin's fall, and they failed so utterly at that.
Quote from: Tony on December 21, 2015, 12:31:46 PM
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Quote from: SKO on December 21, 2015, 10:01:44 AM
The entire scene with Kylo Ren was way too drawn out when it was obvious what was going to happen the whole time.....
First, I thought he was dead. "I know what I have to do, but I'm not sure I'm strong enough to do it."
Then, he loosened the grip on the saber and I thought, "OK. Maybe happy times ahead?"
Then, the sun went out. Poe's line just before of , "As long as there's light we have a chance!" sealed it.
I thought it was too drawn out AFTER Han get's sliced.
Still a little sad that the movie was more remake than newmake. How many scenes were taken almost directly from Star Wars and Empire - 8 or 9? But it was so well done I don't really care. I'm also very glad JJ isn't doing VIII. He's not a very original filmmaker.
It definitely aped a New Hope in a lot of ways, but then again, A New Hope is about as bog standard a version of the Hero's Journey as you can get. Anytime you tell that story you're going to see strong similarities. Star Wars has never really been about original concepts. It's basic storytelling. It's all a matter of how well they execute the story and how well they use that universe and how much they make you care about the people going on the journey. It succeeded where it needed to.
I'm not talking about the hero's arc, I'm talking about the specific settings and action points.
- Desert planet
- Hero desperately wants to leave
- Droid with the MacGuffin
- Bar with aliens where you can hire a ship
- Death Star redux
- Trench run
- Father vs. son on a bridge over an abyss
- Stormtrooper "I'm here to rescue you!"
- Guy in mask tortures rebel in prison
I mean, they even turned on the space chess board and showed the practice remote for fan service.
Again, so well done that I don't really care. That said, if Rian Johnson does this type of thing with VIII, it's going to suck. You have a nice new sandbox with fun characters to play with. Don't build the same castle again.
That's actually one of the few differences. Rey doesn't want to leave Jakku, and when she does all she can talk about it getting back so she doesn't miss her family when they come back for her.
I don't mind the similarities to ANH. I always thought the first prequel should have been more similar to it, so I can't really complain that they did it this time. But they could have mixed it up a little. Jakku didn't need to be a desert planet, and they didn't really need Starkiller Base to be a super weapon. They could have gone to a random First Order base to rescue Rey and have all the same other stuff happen without having to blow it up before it blew them up.
But overall I loved it. It was funny. The introduction of the Falcon was awesome. BB-8 was everything Jar Jar was supposed to be. Daisy Ridley was great, as was the rest of the new cast. I'll be going to see it again.
Fair point. I keep going back to that scene of her watching the ship take off. I guess she was more remembering whomever left her behind leaving than wanting to leave.
Did laugh but get a bit annoyed with the banter between Rey and BB8 echoing 3PO/R2 deciding which way to go in the desert. And inside the base, the stormtroopers could even be heard saying a direct line from ANH "We think they may be splitting up now..."
But the Falcon and the callback to "What a hunk of junk!" was excellent.
The whole thing was fun and a great deal of nostalgia. I'm buying it Day 1 on BluRay. Do something different next time.
I felt this movie definitely had elements of all three of the original trilogy. So, yeah, hopefully the next one is markedly different from Empire, except perhaps for a downer ending.
I've read in a lot of places where folks are confused about Rey and her parentage. My theory is that she is the child of two Force Adepts who were in training with Luke when Kylo went evil. I think Kylo is supposed to be 10-15 years older than her, and she would've been a toddler when everything went down. Trying to escape the inevitable, her parents must've taken her to Jakku and dropped her there, promising to return later only for Kylo to catch up with them before they could. This would explain why nobody seems to recognize her except possibly Luke.
(Alternatively, I suppose it's possible that Luke had a wife who ran with their daughter, but you'd've thought he'd have known if she died and he would've turned the galaxy upside down to find her.)
Wow. You guys are spending waaaaaaay too much time thinking about this. All the while this sadsack thread has been running, I've been thinking about boobs, and sports, and beer.
Quote from: Tonker on December 24, 2015, 01:26:52 AM
Wow. You guys are spending waaaaaaay too much time thinking about this. All the while this sadsack thread has been running, I've been thinking about boobs, and sports, and beer.
Glad you had a good time
thinking about boobs and beer.
Quote from: Eli on December 21, 2015, 10:11:18 AMI had it spoiled for me by some random asshole on Twitter -- screenshot and all -- so I knew it was coming.
Seriously? So someone you follow did this? That's fucked up.
Really enjoyed the movie and was ecstatic I went in having not been spoiled at all. The "That's not how the force works" exchange may have been the highlight for me.
How did Poe get off Jakku?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 24, 2015, 08:50:42 AM
How did Poe get off Jakku?
Apparently it's really easy to steal ships on that planet.
Captain Phasma: "I hope you don't think you're going to get away with this." -- while she's turning off the shield and raising their win expectancy about 1000% almost killed the movie for me. That's one guileless supervillain. She must have been blowing Hux or plowing his ass with a giant robo penis and filming it to stay employed if that's the way she performs her job. What a waste of Gwen Christie's ability to be bad as fuck. She slew The Hound (greatly diminished in strength due to infected wounds, natch) and this is all she could muster up when three dipshits with blasters invade her giant starkilling weapons reactor?
Otherwise, I was thoroughly fan serviced and left the theater floor in Pee Wee Herman level of satisfaction at this film. I'd see it again and hope it's the worst of series. If it's not, well, fuck. I doubt we'll reach prequel level of failure so rock on, Disney and thanks.
Really Enjoyed:
1. The space monsters killing all Han and Chewie's debtors in one fell swoop. If they could have unleashed those fuckers on an extremely well-fortified weapons reactor control bunker (hey, fool me twice... you can't fool me again) instead, that would have been a thing.
2. The reunion between Han and Leia with Threepio going all Threepio in the middle of it.
3. Daisy Ridley's face.
4. John Boyega's reactions to things and the part where Han had to tell him to "Bring it down a little."
5. Snoke being FUCKING HUGE! That would be so awesome if he's really that big in real life, like he made himself that size with the Force or he just comes from a planet where creatures are really that big - and we never see them because they're too big to live anywhere other than their shitty planet and they hate it. That would be special/terrifying.
6. The way Abrams and company shot it so it felt like I was right in the middle of the action the entire time. Super cool.
Didn't Enjoy:
1. Hannah's emo boyfriend as a supervillain. I know people are praising his performance but I can't shake his "Girls" persona, which may not be his fault at all.
2. Phasma
3. No guard rails on the giant bridge to nowhere that Han died on. Why?
4. The inevitable revelation that Snoke isn't very big at all, that he's Golem "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" That's going to be so fucking lame.
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Didn't Enjoy:
1. Hannah's emo boyfriend as a supervillain. I know people are praising his performance but I can't shake his "Girls" persona, which may not be his fault at all.
Oy...
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Didn't Enjoy:
1. Hannah's emo boyfriend as a supervillain. I know people are praising his performance but I can't shake his "Girls" persona, which may not be his fault at all.
Oy...
It's even worse than Tony Starks going toe to toe with The Dude in "Iron Man 2."
What's up with Starkiller Base being the size of a small planet, but every thing/person of importance (Kylo Ren, Snoke's "chambers", prison, reactor core, command center, shield controls, Phasma) being within a 10,000 sqft area?
Why the hell are there storage slots half way up a sheer wall with switches to open them on the wall?
What are the odds the first woman from another planet Luke ever meets is his twin sister? It's like a bizarre epic space fairy tale or some shit
Quote from: SKO on December 28, 2015, 12:54:44 PM
What are the odds the first woman from another planet Luke ever meets is his twin sister? It's like a bizarre epic space fairy tale or some shit
This one's easy. Because The Force.
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Didn't Enjoy:
2. Phasma
Phasma should have been the stormtrooper to challenge Finn with the electric staff thing. That would have saved a useless character.
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Didn't Enjoy:
2. Phasma
Phasma should have been the stormtrooper to challenge Finn with the electric staff thing. That would have saved a useless character.
Didn't that guy die? They want to bring Phasma back in 8.
Quote from: Tonker on December 24, 2015, 01:26:52 AM
Wow. You guys are spending waaaaaaay too much time thinking about this. All the while this sadsack thread has been running, I've been thinking about boobs, and sports, and beer.
Why not both (http://metro.co.uk/2010/12/14/carrie-fisher-i-had-sex-with-princess-leia-fans-612025/)?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 28, 2015, 01:44:20 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 28, 2015, 01:33:55 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 28, 2015, 10:04:55 AM
Didn't Enjoy:
2. Phasma
Phasma should have been the stormtrooper to challenge Finn with the electric staff thing. That would have saved a useless character.
Didn't that guy die? They want to bring Phasma back in 8.
That's Tony's point. Bring her back for what? She's already as close to Jar Jar as this iteration has. I guess they could be forgiven if she has a worthwhile story arc stemming from her complete and utter uselessness in Ep. VII. Like she scrambles out of the trash compactor and away on a ship that takes her to a hideout in the far reaches of the galaxy - or so she thinks. After the capture of Kylo Ren by the resistance, she could be entrusted to bring him safely home to his mother (sans a hand natch). Oh, the adventures they'll have! What do you think?
Quote from: InternetApex on December 28, 2015, 02:58:18 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 28, 2015, 01:44:20 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 28, 2015, 01:33:55 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 28, 2015, 10:04:55 AM
Didn't Enjoy:
2. Phasma
Phasma should have been the stormtrooper to challenge Finn with the electric staff thing. That would have saved a useless character.
Didn't that guy die? They want to bring Phasma back in 8.
That's Tony's point. Bring her back for what? She's already as close to Jar Jar as this iteration has. I guess they could be forgiven if she has a worthwhile story arc stemming from her complete and utter uselessness in Ep. VII. Like she scrambles out of the trash compactor and away on a ship that takes her to a hideout in the far reaches of the galaxy - or so she thinks. After the capture of Kylo Ren by the resistance, she could be entrusted to bring him safely home to his mother (sans a hand natch). Oh, the adventures they'll have! What do you think?
Arc? Not everyone needs an arc. Poe didn't have an arc. Leia didn't have an arc. Chewie didn't have and arc.
Boba Fett didn't have an arc. He stood around and looked cool. Phasma is the newest version of Fett.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 28, 2015, 03:25:52 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 28, 2015, 02:58:18 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 28, 2015, 01:44:20 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 28, 2015, 01:33:55 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 28, 2015, 10:04:55 AM
Didn't Enjoy:
2. Phasma
Phasma should have been the stormtrooper to challenge Finn with the electric staff thing. That would have saved a useless character.
Didn't that guy die? They want to bring Phasma back in 8.
That's Tony's point. Bring her back for what? She's already as close to Jar Jar as this iteration has. I guess they could be forgiven if she has a worthwhile story arc stemming from her complete and utter uselessness in Ep. VII. Like she scrambles out of the trash compactor and away on a ship that takes her to a hideout in the far reaches of the galaxy - or so she thinks. After the capture of Kylo Ren by the resistance, she could be entrusted to bring him safely home to his mother (sans a hand natch). Oh, the adventures they'll have! What do you think?
Arc? Not everyone needs an arc. Poe didn't have an arc. Leia didn't have an arc. Chewie didn't have and arc.
Boba Fett didn't have an arc. He stood around and looked cool. Phasma is the newest version of Fett.
Boba Fett didn't have an arc, but he was cool because he was mysterious. Phasma could have been a cool mysterious character, but not after she turned the shields off when they politely asked her to. Apex is right, that was the dumbest part of the movie. She put up no fight at all. There's no way to be cool after that. At least if she had fought Finn with the electric wand of death she would have done something cool. And she didn't have to die if they want to bring her back.
Phasma was the most disappointing part of the movie, I agree. I won't say there's "no way she can be cool again" because you give me Gwendoline Christie in badass looking armor doing badass looking shit in Episode VIII and I'll be more than willing to ignore the inconsistency with her being a pushover at the end of this one. I'm not that hard to please.
Quote from: SKO on December 29, 2015, 04:07:02 PM
Phasma was the most disappointing part of the movie, I agree. I won't say there's "no way she can be cool again" because you give me Gwendoline Christie in badass looking armor doing badass looking shit in Episode VIII and I'll be more than willing to ignore the inconsistency with her being a pushover at the end of this one. I'm not that hard to please.
That's the hope. But they'll have to take some real chances with the script in order fix this. Otherwise, they might as well kill her off in the first 45 minutes and admit they blew it. They took so precious few chances with the Ep. 7 script that I'm skeptical about what we'll get going forward. I know Rian Johnson or whatever is supposed to be some fucking wizard and we should all be so excited but this is Disney. They're aren't going to fling it across their body into traffic with this franchise's reputation on the line. This isn't some queer comic book series, man. This is the Super Bowl.
And that's really too bad because the prequels were so horrible that we'll settle for meh and actually boost it up like they SAVED OUR CHILDHOODS ZMOG!! And, fuck it, I admit it, I did it. I had a blast at that movie. I was thrilled to hear little kids in the theater as excited as I was to see it.
They could prove me wrong, of course, and I'll be as happy as two raccoons in a ten-pound sack of crap.
Quote from: InternetApex on December 30, 2015, 08:18:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 29, 2015, 04:07:02 PM
Phasma was the most disappointing part of the movie, I agree. I won't say there's "no way she can be cool again" because you give me Gwendoline Christie in badass looking armor doing badass looking shit in Episode VIII and I'll be more than willing to ignore the inconsistency with her being a pushover at the end of this one. I'm not that hard to please.
That's the hope. But they'll have to take some real chances with the script in order fix this. Otherwise, they might as well kill her off in the first 45 minutes and admit they blew it. They took so precious few chances with the Ep. 7 script that I'm skeptical about what we'll get going forward. I know Rian Johnson or whatever is supposed to be some fucking wizard and we should all be so excited but this is Disney. They're aren't going to fling it across their body into traffic with this franchise's reputation on the line. This isn't some queer comic book series, man. This is the Super Bowl.
And that's really too bad because the prequels were so horrible that we'll settle for meh and actually boost it up like they SAVED OUR CHILDHOODS ZMOG!! And, fuck it, I admit it, I did it. I had a blast at that movie. I was thrilled to hear little kids in the theater as excited as I was to see it.
They could prove me wrong, of course, and I'll be as happy as two raccoons in a ten-pound sack of crap.
All I have heard about the Episode VIII script is that it is "weird and brilliant". So we'll see.
Quote from: SKO on December 30, 2015, 08:52:15 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 30, 2015, 08:18:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 29, 2015, 04:07:02 PM
Phasma was the most disappointing part of the movie, I agree. I won't say there's "no way she can be cool again" because you give me Gwendoline Christie in badass looking armor doing badass looking shit in Episode VIII and I'll be more than willing to ignore the inconsistency with her being a pushover at the end of this one. I'm not that hard to please.
That's the hope. But they'll have to take some real chances with the script in order fix this. Otherwise, they might as well kill her off in the first 45 minutes and admit they blew it. They took so precious few chances with the Ep. 7 script that I'm skeptical about what we'll get going forward. I know Rian Johnson or whatever is supposed to be some fucking wizard and we should all be so excited but this is Disney. They're aren't going to fling it across their body into traffic with this franchise's reputation on the line. This isn't some queer comic book series, man. This is the Super Bowl.
And that's really too bad because the prequels were so horrible that we'll settle for meh and actually boost it up like they SAVED OUR CHILDHOODS ZMOG!! And, fuck it, I admit it, I did it. I had a blast at that movie. I was thrilled to hear little kids in the theater as excited as I was to see it.
They could prove me wrong, of course, and I'll be as happy as two raccoons in a ten-pound sack of crap.
All I have heard about the Episode VIII script is that it is "weird and brilliant". So we'll see.
I'd settle for one or the other but if it's both, my boner may never, ever subside.
I am probably the only one nerdy enough to read the Visual Dictionary for the movie along with the novels and comics that are bridging the gap between VI and VII, so I thought I'd share what I've learned:
-After Endor the Empire split up pretty fast. Palpatine had no succession plan, especially with Vader dead, too, so the Empire split into warlordism and got routed by the New Republic pretty quickly, culminating in the Battle of Jakku about a year after ROTJ (hence the star destroyer Rey scavenges). After they lost that battle they signed a peace treaty about 5 years after ROTJ. The New Republic rules probably about 60% of the galaxy, with the First Order (which slowly rose to take over what was left of the Empire) ruling about 25% and the rest being neutral.
-The First Order=Space Nazis and the peace treaty=Treaty of Versailles. New Republic=League of Nations. As the First Order started building new star destroyers and stuff in violation of the treaty, Leia tried to mobilize the Republic to do something but people were weary of war and underestimated the threat.
-Leia started the Resistance to operate within First Order space and be an insurgency. Some members of the Republic provide them funding and weapons but the Republic officially doesn't support them.
Any who, cleared up a lot of my confusion, figured some of you may benefit from my nerdery
Wait, there was that much handwringing over Phasma?
Quote from: Yeti on January 02, 2016, 06:21:46 PM
Wait, there was that much handwringing over Phasma?
Boba Fett syndrome. She looked awesome and they got an awesome actress to play her so people very understandably expected her to be a badass with more than four lines.
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2016, 09:32:20 AM
Quote from: Yeti on January 02, 2016, 06:21:46 PM
Wait, there was that much handwringing over Phasma?
Boba Fett syndrome. She looked awesome and they got an awesome actress to play her so people very understandably expected her to be a badass with more than four lines.
In as much as I give a shit, I think SKO has about nailed it, here. Now I'm going back to beer, sportz and boobs.
Quote from: Tonker on January 03, 2016, 09:50:10 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2016, 09:32:20 AM
Quote from: Yeti on January 02, 2016, 06:21:46 PM
Wait, there was that much handwringing over Phasma?
Boba Fett syndrome. She looked awesome and they got an awesome actress to play her so people very understandably expected her to be a badass with more than four lines.
In as much as I give a shit, I think SKO has about nailed it, here. Now I'm going back to beer, sportz and boobs.
Yep. Brilliant original idea.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 03, 2016, 09:56:03 AM
Quote from: Tonker on January 03, 2016, 09:50:10 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2016, 09:32:20 AM
Quote from: Yeti on January 02, 2016, 06:21:46 PM
Wait, there was that much handwringing over Phasma?
Boba Fett syndrome. She looked awesome and they got an awesome actress to play her so people very understandably expected her to be a badass with more than four lines.
In as much as I give a shit, I think SKO has about nailed it, here. Now I'm going back to beer, sportz and boobs.
Yep. Brilliant original idea.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure people have thought about beer, sportz and boobs before me.
Not sure how many viewings it will take me to not be heartbroken at the sight of Chewbacca sitting in Han's seat and flying the Falcon alone but so far three is not enough
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2016, 07:17:08 PM
Not sure how many viewings it will take me to not be heartbroken at the sight of Chewbacca sitting in Han's seat and flying the Falcon alone but so far three is not enough
Agreed. Reading what you wrote, it just dawned upon me that Chewie must've cared considerably for Ben -- the Wookie would've been there when the Young Solo was born, and Chewbacca would've seen him reared up until the point that they sent Ben off to be trained by Luke. Ben would've been part of Chewie's family. And yet, without hesitation, Chewie tried to blast him off a freaking bridge.
Quote from: Canadouche on January 03, 2016, 08:42:49 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2016, 07:17:08 PM
Not sure how many viewings it will take me to not be heartbroken at the sight of Chewbacca sitting in Han's seat and flying the Falcon alone but so far three is not enough
Agreed. Reading what you wrote, it just dawned upon me that Chewie must've cared considerably for Ben -- the Wookie would've been there when the Young Solo was born, and Chewbacca would've seen him reared up until the point that they sent Ben off to be trained by Luke. Ben would've been part of Chewie's family. And yet, without hesitation, Chewie tried to blast him off a freaking bridge.
I thought about that too. Chewie was one of the very high points of this film and one of Lucas' great triumphs overall. I even thought the part where Chewie got shot was well done. Even though we knew he'd be alright, they made us feel that blast and made Chewie even more lovable than he'd always been. Those god forsaken CGI wookies in the prequels... what in the hell was Lucas doing?
Quote from: InternetApex on January 04, 2016, 08:02:56 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on January 03, 2016, 08:42:49 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2016, 07:17:08 PM
Not sure how many viewings it will take me to not be heartbroken at the sight of Chewbacca sitting in Han's seat and flying the Falcon alone but so far three is not enough
Agreed. Reading what you wrote, it just dawned upon me that Chewie must've cared considerably for Ben -- the Wookie would've been there when the Young Solo was born, and Chewbacca would've seen him reared up until the point that they sent Ben off to be trained by Luke. Ben would've been part of Chewie's family. And yet, without hesitation, Chewie tried to blast him off a freaking bridge.
I thought about that too. Chewie was one of the very high points of this film and one of Lucas' great triumphs overall. I even thought the part where Chewie got shot was well done. Even though we knew he'd be alright, they made us feel that blast and made Chewie even more lovable than he'd always been. Those god forsaken CGI wookies in the prequels... what in the hell was Lucas doing?
Yeah, I had the same thought. Kylo Ren betrayed Chewie almost as much as he had betrayed Han. You know Chewie gave that kid wookiee-back rides and would have died for him without a second thought. The movie really nailed his entire rage/grieving process over Han's death. I thought for a while we were gonna lose Chewie and Han both, because I thought Chewie might get himself killed trying to take the entire base down with him. The old explanation for how Han and Chewie became partners (and one that appears is still going to be in the new canon) was that Han saved Chewie from slavery at the hands of the Empire and Chewie swore a life debt to him, so you know Chewbacca feels he failed as Han's protector.
Quote from: SKO on January 04, 2016, 08:17:45 AM
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Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2016, 07:17:08 PM
Not sure how many viewings it will take me to not be heartbroken at the sight of Chewbacca sitting in Han's seat and flying the Falcon alone but so far three is not enough
Agreed. Reading what you wrote, it just dawned upon me that Chewie must've cared considerably for Ben -- the Wookie would've been there when the Young Solo was born, and Chewbacca would've seen him reared up until the point that they sent Ben off to be trained by Luke. Ben would've been part of Chewie's family. And yet, without hesitation, Chewie tried to blast him off a freaking bridge.
I thought about that too. Chewie was one of the very high points of this film and one of Lucas' great triumphs overall. I even thought the part where Chewie got shot was well done. Even though we knew he'd be alright, they made us feel that blast and made Chewie even more lovable than he'd always been. Those god forsaken CGI wookies in the prequels... what in the hell was Lucas doing?
Yeah, I had the same thought. Kylo Ren betrayed Chewie almost as much as he had betrayed Han. You know Chewie gave that kid wookiee-back rides and would have died for him without a second thought. The movie really nailed his entire rage/grieving process over Han's death. I thought for a while we were gonna lose Chewie and Han both, because I thought Chewie might get himself killed trying to take the entire base down with him. The old explanation for how Han and Chewie became partners (and one that appears is still going to be in the new canon) was that Han saved Chewie from slavery at the hands of the Empire and Chewie swore a life debt to him, so you know Chewbacca feels he failed as Han's protector.
I always used to feel so sad for Chewie when Han is about to hit the deep freeze and Chewie goes Tyson/Holyfield II on the stormtroopers. Darth just stands there like, bitch please, and it takes Han cooling the giant beast off to save him from certain demise. Fuck that's heartbreaking. JJ botched Han's death but the Chewie reaction goes in the plus column. That's one reason this movie will last and why I'm optimistic for future films.
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Not sure how many viewings it will take me to not be heartbroken at the sight of Chewbacca sitting in Han's seat and flying the Falcon alone but so far three is not enough
Agreed. Reading what you wrote, it just dawned upon me that Chewie must've cared considerably for Ben -- the Wookie would've been there when the Young Solo was born, and Chewbacca would've seen him reared up until the point that they sent Ben off to be trained by Luke. Ben would've been part of Chewie's family. And yet, without hesitation, Chewie tried to blast him off a freaking bridge.
I thought about that too. Chewie was one of the very high points of this film and one of Lucas' great triumphs overall. I even thought the part where Chewie got shot was well done. Even though we knew he'd be alright, they made us feel that blast and made Chewie even more lovable than he'd always been. Those god forsaken CGI wookies in the prequels... what in the hell was Lucas doing?
Yeah, I had the same thought. Kylo Ren betrayed Chewie almost as much as he had betrayed Han. You know Chewie gave that kid wookiee-back rides and would have died for him without a second thought. The movie really nailed his entire rage/grieving process over Han's death. I thought for a while we were gonna lose Chewie and Han both, because I thought Chewie might get himself killed trying to take the entire base down with him. The old explanation for how Han and Chewie became partners (and one that appears is still going to be in the new canon) was that Han saved Chewie from slavery at the hands of the Empire and Chewie swore a life debt to him, so you know Chewbacca feels he failed as Han's protector.
I always used to feel so sad for Chewie when Han is about to hit the deep freeze and Chewie goes Tyson/Holyfield II on the stormtroopers. Darth just stands there like, bitch please, and it takes Han cooling the giant beast off to save him from certain demise. Fuck that's heartbreaking. JJ botched Han's demise but the Chewie reaction goes in the plus column. That's one reason this movie will last and why I'm optimistic for future films.
I don't think he botched Han's demise. I think he tried to botch it with the overdone bridge over a bottomless pit part, but the two actors saved that scene for me. I guess I'm glad I have never watched Girls, because I thought Adam Driver was really good in this movie and in that scene and the only people I hear complain about it are people who seem to hate the guy for that show. Harrison Ford nailed it, too. When he puts his hand on Ben's cheek as if to forgive him for what he just did, that was well done.
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Not sure how many viewings it will take me to not be heartbroken at the sight of Chewbacca sitting in Han's seat and flying the Falcon alone but so far three is not enough
Agreed. Reading what you wrote, it just dawned upon me that Chewie must've cared considerably for Ben -- the Wookie would've been there when the Young Solo was born, and Chewbacca would've seen him reared up until the point that they sent Ben off to be trained by Luke. Ben would've been part of Chewie's family. And yet, without hesitation, Chewie tried to blast him off a freaking bridge.
I thought about that too. Chewie was one of the very high points of this film and one of Lucas' great triumphs overall. I even thought the part where Chewie got shot was well done. Even though we knew he'd be alright, they made us feel that blast and made Chewie even more lovable than he'd always been. Those god forsaken CGI wookies in the prequels... what in the hell was Lucas doing?
Yeah, I had the same thought. Kylo Ren betrayed Chewie almost as much as he had betrayed Han. You know Chewie gave that kid wookiee-back rides and would have died for him without a second thought. The movie really nailed his entire rage/grieving process over Han's death. I thought for a while we were gonna lose Chewie and Han both, because I thought Chewie might get himself killed trying to take the entire base down with him. The old explanation for how Han and Chewie became partners (and one that appears is still going to be in the new canon) was that Han saved Chewie from slavery at the hands of the Empire and Chewie swore a life debt to him, so you know Chewbacca feels he failed as Han's protector.
I always used to feel so sad for Chewie when Han is about to hit the deep freeze and Chewie goes Tyson/Holyfield II on the stormtroopers. Darth just stands there like, bitch please, and it takes Han cooling the giant beast off to save him from certain demise. Fuck that's heartbreaking. JJ botched Han's demise but the Chewie reaction goes in the plus column. That's one reason this movie will last and why I'm optimistic for future films.
I don't think he botched Han's demise. I think he tried to botch it with the overdone bridge over a bottomless pit part, but the two actors saved that scene for me. I guess I'm glad I have never watched Girls, because I thought Adam Driver was really good in this movie and in that scene and the only people I hear complain about it are people who seem to hate the guy for that show. Harrison Ford nailed it, too. When he puts his hand on Ben's cheek as if to forgive him for what he just did, that was well done.
I can't deal with Adam Driver properly. It's not him. It's me. But I can't.
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Not sure how many viewings it will take me to not be heartbroken at the sight of Chewbacca sitting in Han's seat and flying the Falcon alone but so far three is not enough
Agreed. Reading what you wrote, it just dawned upon me that Chewie must've cared considerably for Ben -- the Wookie would've been there when the Young Solo was born, and Chewbacca would've seen him reared up until the point that they sent Ben off to be trained by Luke. Ben would've been part of Chewie's family. And yet, without hesitation, Chewie tried to blast him off a freaking bridge.
I thought about that too. Chewie was one of the very high points of this film and one of Lucas' great triumphs overall. I even thought the part where Chewie got shot was well done. Even though we knew he'd be alright, they made us feel that blast and made Chewie even more lovable than he'd always been. Those god forsaken CGI wookies in the prequels... what in the hell was Lucas doing?
Yeah, I had the same thought. Kylo Ren betrayed Chewie almost as much as he had betrayed Han. You know Chewie gave that kid wookiee-back rides and would have died for him without a second thought. The movie really nailed his entire rage/grieving process over Han's death. I thought for a while we were gonna lose Chewie and Han both, because I thought Chewie might get himself killed trying to take the entire base down with him. The old explanation for how Han and Chewie became partners (and one that appears is still going to be in the new canon) was that Han saved Chewie from slavery at the hands of the Empire and Chewie swore a life debt to him, so you know Chewbacca feels he failed as Han's protector.
I always used to feel so sad for Chewie when Han is about to hit the deep freeze and Chewie goes Tyson/Holyfield II on the stormtroopers. Darth just stands there like, bitch please, and it takes Han cooling the giant beast off to save him from certain demise. Fuck that's heartbreaking. JJ botched Han's demise but the Chewie reaction goes in the plus column. That's one reason this movie will last and why I'm optimistic for future films.
I don't think he botched Han's demise. I think he tried to botch it with the overdone bridge over a bottomless pit part, but the two actors saved that scene for me. I guess I'm glad I have never watched Girls, because I thought Adam Driver was really good in this movie and in that scene and the only people I hear complain about it are people who seem to hate the guy for that show. Harrison Ford nailed it, too. When he puts his hand on Ben's cheek as if to forgive him for what he just did, that was well done.
I can't deal with Adam Driver properly. It's not him. It's me. But I can't.
Yeah I'm pretty sure this movie would've been even better if I could travel back in time and unwatch that season of Girls. God dammit.
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Not sure how many viewings it will take me to not be heartbroken at the sight of Chewbacca sitting in Han's seat and flying the Falcon alone but so far three is not enough
Agreed. Reading what you wrote, it just dawned upon me that Chewie must've cared considerably for Ben -- the Wookie would've been there when the Young Solo was born, and Chewbacca would've seen him reared up until the point that they sent Ben off to be trained by Luke. Ben would've been part of Chewie's family. And yet, without hesitation, Chewie tried to blast him off a freaking bridge.
I thought about that too. Chewie was one of the very high points of this film and one of Lucas' great triumphs overall. I even thought the part where Chewie got shot was well done. Even though we knew he'd be alright, they made us feel that blast and made Chewie even more lovable than he'd always been. Those god forsaken CGI wookies in the prequels... what in the hell was Lucas doing?
Yeah, I had the same thought. Kylo Ren betrayed Chewie almost as much as he had betrayed Han. You know Chewie gave that kid wookiee-back rides and would have died for him without a second thought. The movie really nailed his entire rage/grieving process over Han's death. I thought for a while we were gonna lose Chewie and Han both, because I thought Chewie might get himself killed trying to take the entire base down with him. The old explanation for how Han and Chewie became partners (and one that appears is still going to be in the new canon) was that Han saved Chewie from slavery at the hands of the Empire and Chewie swore a life debt to him, so you know Chewbacca feels he failed as Han's protector.
I always used to feel so sad for Chewie when Han is about to hit the deep freeze and Chewie goes Tyson/Holyfield II on the stormtroopers. Darth just stands there like, bitch please, and it takes Han cooling the giant beast off to save him from certain demise. Fuck that's heartbreaking. JJ botched Han's demise but the Chewie reaction goes in the plus column. That's one reason this movie will last and why I'm optimistic for future films.
I don't think he botched Han's demise. I think he tried to botch it with the overdone bridge over a bottomless pit part, but the two actors saved that scene for me. I guess I'm glad I have never watched Girls, because I thought Adam Driver was really good in this movie and in that scene and the only people I hear complain about it are people who seem to hate the guy for that show. Harrison Ford nailed it, too. When he puts his hand on Ben's cheek as if to forgive him for what he just did, that was well done.
I can't deal with Adam Driver properly. It's not him. It's me. But I can't.
Yeah I'm pretty sure this movie would've been even better if I could travel back in time and unwatch that season of Girls. God dammit.
I get it. I've had guys I cannot forgive for other characters they played ruin otherwise good movies for me as well. Just as a person who had never seen Adam Driver in anything before I found him to be pretty good in this movie.
I love Kylo Ren and how he uses the dark side. It's so physical and uncontrolled. You can see the rage in everything, even his lightsaber is about to explode. It's how I figured Darth Maul should have been the first time I saw him and yet all of the Sith in the prequels had such wonderfully perfect choreography and self-discipline despite supposedly drawing all of their power from fountains of rage and hatred rather than the self-composure and peace the Jedi use.
I mean, shit, Vader in the OT wasn't a calm, collected kendo master. He swung violently at Luke, threw half of Cloud City at him with the force, mostly just used his brute strength to overpower him when he wanted to. This felt like a progression of that.
Seriously, though... you guys should get girlfriends or something.
Quote from: Tonker on January 04, 2016, 04:27:16 PM
Seriously, though... you guys should get girlfriends or something.
We're going to continue to geek out on the minutiae of the Star Wars universe in spite of your whinging condescension about it. If and when there is something of interest to obsess over in the world of Sportz and boobs, I'll be all over it. I've had several good wanks today and my girlfriend will be home shortly so the boobilige is in no short supply. Sportz will remain horrible until at least mid-February.
So if anyone has read any canonical Star Wars comic books and wants to impart some wisdom, let's have it.
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Quote from: Tonker on January 04, 2016, 04:27:16 PM
Seriously, though... you guys should get girlfriends or something.
We're going to continue to geek out on the minutiae of the Star Wars universe in spite of your whinging condescension about it. If and when there is something of interest to obsess over in the world of Sportz and boobs, I'll be all over it. I've had several good wanks today and my girlfriend will be home shortly so the boobilige is in no short supply. Sportz will remain horrible until at least mid-February.
So if anyone has read any canonical Star Wars comic books and wants to impart some wisdom, let's have it.
Aftermath is good. Follows an interesting rag tag team of Rebels in the first month after Endor as the Empire begins to crumble. Kind of a slow build but good characters and it ends with them going off to be the Rebel Alliance version of the Inglourious Basterds, hunting Imperial war criminals. First part of a trilogy. It also has little interludes between the main storyline offering glimpses into how the war is going around the galaxy. Not a lot about Luke, Han, or Leia though.
The Shattered Empire comic has more of those three but really doesn't actually say much about what or how things happened after ROTJ. It mostly just introduces you to Poe Dameron's parents, who are cool. Dad was part of Han's strike team on Endor, mom was a Y Wing pilot with Lando.
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Seriously, though... you guys should get girlfriends or something.
We're going to continue to geek out on the minutiae of the Star Wars universe in spite of your whinging condescension about it. If and when there is something of interest to obsess over in the world of Sportz and boobs, I'll be all over it. I've had several good wanks today and my girlfriend will be home shortly so the boobilige is in no short supply. Sportz will remain horrible until at least mid-February.
So if anyone has read any canonical Star Wars comic books and wants to impart some wisdom, let's have it.
Aftermath is good. Follows an interesting rag tag team of Rebels in the first month after Endor as the Empire begins to crumble. Kind of a slow build but good characters and it ends with them going off to be the Rebel Alliance version of the Inglourious Basterds, hunting Imperial war criminals. First part of a trilogy. It also has little interludes between the main storyline offering glimpses into how the war is going around the galaxy. Not a lot about Luke, Han, or Leia though.
The Shattered Empire comic has more of those three but really doesn't actually say much about what or how things happened after ROTJ. It mostly just introduces you to Poe Dameron's parents, who are cool. Dad was part of Han's strike team on Endor, mom was a Y Wing pilot with Lando.
Any boobs? Asking for a friend.
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Seriously, though... you guys should get girlfriends or something.
We're going to continue to geek out on the minutiae of the Star Wars universe in spite of your whinging condescension about it. If and when there is something of interest to obsess over in the world of Sportz and boobs, I'll be all over it. I've had several good wanks today and my girlfriend will be home shortly so the boobilige is in no short supply. Sportz will remain horrible until at least mid-February.
So if anyone has read any canonical Star Wars comic books and wants to impart some wisdom, let's have it.
Aftermath is good. Follows an interesting rag tag team of Rebels in the first month after Endor as the Empire begins to crumble. Kind of a slow build but good characters and it ends with them going off to be the Rebel Alliance version of the Inglourious Basterds, hunting Imperial war criminals. First part of a trilogy. It also has little interludes between the main storyline offering glimpses into how the war is going around the galaxy. Not a lot about Luke, Han, or Leia though.
The Shattered Empire comic has more of those three but really doesn't actually say much about what or how things happened after ROTJ. It mostly just introduces you to Poe Dameron's parents, who are cool. Dad was part of Han's strike team on Endor, mom was a Y Wing pilot with Lando.
Any boobs? Asking for a friend.
No boobs, some ghey characters in Aftermath, though, which has led to a lot of nerds who think a girl being the sex slave of a giant space slug is hot saying that the author is ruining Star Wars with his perverted agenda.
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Still a little sad that the movie was more remake than newmake. How many scenes were taken almost directly from Star Wars and Empire - 8 or 9? But it was so well done I don't really care. I'm also very glad JJ isn't doing VIII. He's not a very original filmmaker.
It definitely aped a New Hope in a lot of ways, but then again, A New Hope is about as bog standard a version of the Hero's Journey as you can get. Anytime you tell that story you're going to see strong similarities. Star Wars has never really been about original concepts. It's basic storytelling. It's all a matter of how well they execute the story and how well they use that universe and how much they make you care about the people going on the journey. It succeeded where it needed to.
The original was an homage to a hodgepodge of sci-fi serials, westerns, adventure films and whatnot. I've seen TFA described as an homage of an homage, which rings true.
JJ Abrams has proven himself capable of dutiful imitation of his predecessors. "Super 8" was a mostly enjoyable but forgettable direct homage to "E.T." and "Close Encounters." TFA was much better than that, and I enjoyed it thoroughly, but I'm not convinced yet that it has any staying power with me. In part because I think its
execution leaned a little too much towards aping.
Quote from: Tonker on December 24, 2015, 01:26:52 AM
Wow. You guys are spending waaaaaaay too much time thinking about this. All the while this sadsack thread has been running, I've been thinking about boobs, and sports, and beer.
We get it. You're sick and tired of this site's Social Justice Warrior agenda and the pussifying effect it's having on our Western male essence. (http://www.avclub.com/article/mens-rights-activists-declare-victory-over-star-wa-230194)
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Quote from: Eli on December 21, 2015, 10:11:18 AMI had it spoiled for me by some random asshole on Twitter -- screenshot and all -- so I knew it was coming.
Seriously? So someone you follow did this? That's fucked up.
I had it spoiled for me by my 7-year-old nephew. Now it's a matter for the authorities in the Colorado department of Child Welfare.
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Not sure how many viewings it will take me to not be heartbroken at the sight of Chewbacca sitting in Han's seat and flying the Falcon alone but so far three is not enough
Agreed. Reading what you wrote, it just dawned upon me that Chewie must've cared considerably for Ben -- the Wookie would've been there when the Young Solo was born, and Chewbacca would've seen him reared up until the point that they sent Ben off to be trained by Luke. Ben would've been part of Chewie's family. And yet, without hesitation, Chewie tried to blast him off a freaking bridge.
I thought about that too. Chewie was one of the very high points of this film and one of Lucas' great triumphs overall. I even thought the part where Chewie got shot was well done. Even though we knew he'd be alright, they made us feel that blast and made Chewie even more lovable than he'd always been. Those god forsaken CGI wookies in the prequels... what in the hell was Lucas doing?
Yeah, I had the same thought. Kylo Ren betrayed Chewie almost as much as he had betrayed Han. You know Chewie gave that kid wookiee-back rides and would have died for him without a second thought.
http://tysonmurphy.tumblr.com/post/136936953919/star-wars-7-spoilers-a-quick-little-comic-i
(http://i.imgur.com/u7HcWOx.jpg)
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Still a little sad that the movie was more remake than newmake. How many scenes were taken almost directly from Star Wars and Empire - 8 or 9? But it was so well done I don't really care. I'm also very glad JJ isn't doing VIII. He's not a very original filmmaker.
It definitely aped a New Hope in a lot of ways, but then again, A New Hope is about as bog standard a version of the Hero's Journey as you can get. Anytime you tell that story you're going to see strong similarities. Star Wars has never really been about original concepts. It's basic storytelling. It's all a matter of how well they execute the story and how well they use that universe and how much they make you care about the people going on the journey. It succeeded where it needed to.
The original was an homage to a hodgepodge of sci-fi serials, westerns, adventure films and whatnot. I've seen TFA described as an homage of an homage, which rings true.
JJ Abrams has proven himself capable of dutiful imitation of his predecessors. "Super 8" was a mostly enjoyable but forgettable direct homage to "E.T." and "Close Encounters." TFA was much better than that, and I enjoyed it thoroughly, but I'm not convinced yet that it has any staying power with me. In part because I think its execution leaned a little too much towards aping.
Quote from: Tonker on December 24, 2015, 01:26:52 AM
Wow. You guys are spending waaaaaaay too much time thinking about this. All the while this sadsack thread has been running, I've been thinking about boobs, and sports, and beer.
We get it. You're sick and tired of this site's Social Justice Warrior agenda and the pussifying effect it's having on our Western male essence. (http://www.avclub.com/article/mens-rights-activists-declare-victory-over-star-wa-230194)
Quote from: R-V on December 24, 2015, 08:40:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 21, 2015, 10:11:18 AMI had it spoiled for me by some random asshole on Twitter -- screenshot and all -- so I knew it was coming.
Seriously? So someone you follow did this? That's fucked up.
I had it spoiled for me by my 7-year-old nephew. Now it's a matter for the authorities in the Colorado department of Child Welfare.
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Not sure how many viewings it will take me to not be heartbroken at the sight of Chewbacca sitting in Han's seat and flying the Falcon alone but so far three is not enough
Agreed. Reading what you wrote, it just dawned upon me that Chewie must've cared considerably for Ben -- the Wookie would've been there when the Young Solo was born, and Chewbacca would've seen him reared up until the point that they sent Ben off to be trained by Luke. Ben would've been part of Chewie's family. And yet, without hesitation, Chewie tried to blast him off a freaking bridge.
I thought about that too. Chewie was one of the very high points of this film and one of Lucas' great triumphs overall. I even thought the part where Chewie got shot was well done. Even though we knew he'd be alright, they made us feel that blast and made Chewie even more lovable than he'd always been. Those god forsaken CGI wookies in the prequels... what in the hell was Lucas doing?
Yeah, I had the same thought. Kylo Ren betrayed Chewie almost as much as he had betrayed Han. You know Chewie gave that kid wookiee-back rides and would have died for him without a second thought.
http://tysonmurphy.tumblr.com/post/136936953919/star-wars-7-spoilers-a-quick-little-comic-i
(http://i.imgur.com/u7HcWOx.jpg)
The staying power is a good point. I've said the staying power depends entirely on how good and original 8 and 9 are. If the sequels end up sucking, I'm going to look back on this with barely more fondness than I do the original JJ Trek movie. An entertaining reboot that ended up going nowhere that I haven't bothered to watch again since the sequel blew chunks.
The movie did ape ANH in a lot of ways, but it also subverted a lot of those things. If it did so as the launching point for a new, good trilogy that goes new places in the next two installments, it'll only get better as time goes on, if it did so just to set up two shitty movies, it'll be largely forgotten.
So which of you sickos is Tyson Murphy? Clearly he reads these forums.
Quote from: Canadouche on January 11, 2016, 07:26:10 AM
So which of you sickos is Tyson Murphy? Clearly he reads these forums.
Dale Murphy's kid probably reads a Braves message board. (http://tysonmurphy.tumblr.com/post/122088277759/tysonmurphy-self-reblog-for-fathers-day-i)
Loved it. Agree with the criticism while ultimately not caring about the problems. Super glad I never cared to watch Adam Driver in Girls, but then again I knew better than that a long time ago.
Quote from: Bort on January 12, 2016, 06:07:16 PM
Loved it. Agree with the criticism while ultimately not caring about the problems. Super glad I never cared to watch Adam Driver in Girls, but then again I knew better than that a long time ago.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ply2qVeuQx0/UuPnvVuBNeI/AAAAAAAANBE/xmFinpxE8LA/s1600/palpatine+good.jpg)
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Loved it. Agree with the criticism while ultimately not caring about the problems. Super glad I never cared to watch Adam Driver in Girls, but then again I knew better than that a long time ago.
I've seen every episode of that show. JennPex really likes it and it's not a terrible HateWatch. Every couple has their thing that they do that makes their week complete. We watch premium cable on Sunday nights. Girls happens whether I like it or not. Sometimes it makes me laugh. Sometimes it makes me wretch. It's ruined Adam Driver for me. He'd have to do a Brad Pitt in "Snatch" to redeem himself at this point. Kylo Ren is not enough.
Saw it again tonight and a few stray thoughts, other than the fact I enjoyed it even more on a second viewing:
- They really hammer home the "Rey is waiting for someone on Jakku" thing up until she's told that they're never coming. There's still so much unexplained in her story that's going to be fun to find out.
- This will sound dumb, but Kylo Ren isn't dead, right? I'm sure he's not. But how the hell did he make it off the planet before it imploded? Chewie picked up Rey and Finn in the Falcon from the same general area and they barely made it out, so a ship would have had to grab Kylo at basically the same time.
- Minor quibble: Wouldn't they have sent Leia to meet up with Luke rather than a (presumably) complete stranger in Rey? She's his sister and the one who wants his help with the Resistance.
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Saw it again tonight and a few stray thoughts, other than the fact I enjoyed it even more on a second viewing:
- They really hammer home the "Rey is waiting for someone on Jakku" thing up until she's told that they're never coming. There's still so much unexplained in her story that's going to be fun to find out.
- This will sound dumb, but Kylo Ren isn't dead, right? I'm sure he's not. But how the hell did he make it off the planet before it imploded? Chewie picked up Rey and Finn in the Falcon from the same general area and they barely made it out, so a ship would have had to grab Kylo at basically the same time.
- Minor quibble: Wouldn't they have sent Leia to meet up with Luke rather than a (presumably) complete stranger in Rey? She's his sister and the one who wants his help with the Resistance.
Kylo Ren is not dead, obviously, Snoke probably found exactly where Ren was with the force and then Hux and Scotty beamed him out.
I personally think that Leia and Han and Luke all know who Rey is (although I'm still hoping she's not one of their kids, I'm hoping she was just one of Luke's students when Kylo Ren wiped them all out, she survived, and they blocked her memories and then hid her away to keep her from Snoke), and Leia sent her to Luke because she's the Special Destiny Cookie that she knows Luke has been waiting for.
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Saw it again tonight and a few stray thoughts, other than the fact I enjoyed it even more on a second viewing:
- They really hammer home the "Rey is waiting for someone on Jakku" thing up until she's told that they're never coming. There's still so much unexplained in her story that's going to be fun to find out.
- This will sound dumb, but Kylo Ren isn't dead, right? I'm sure he's not. But how the hell did he make it off the planet before it imploded? Chewie picked up Rey and Finn in the Falcon from the same general area and they barely made it out, so a ship would have had to grab Kylo at basically the same time.
- Minor quibble: Wouldn't they have sent Leia to meet up with Luke rather than a (presumably) complete stranger in Rey? She's his sister and the one who wants his help with the Resistance.
Kylo Ren is not dead, obviously, Snoke probably found exactly where Ren was with the force and then Hux and Scotty beamed him out.
I personally think that Leia and Han and Luke all know who Rey is (although I'm still hoping she's not one of their kids, I'm hoping she was just one of Luke's students when Kylo Ren wiped them all out, she survived, and they blocked her memories and then hid her away to keep her from Snoke), and Leia sent her to Luke because she's the Special Destiny Cookie that she knows Luke has been waiting for.
Yes. Leia definitely knows who Rey is, and that's exactly why she sent her to Luke.
Also, screw you guys for making me type that.
Gotta disagree on some points. I share your sentiment that, hopefully, Rey is not Luke's kid. It doesn't make sense to me that Luke would've allowed one of his kids to basically be abandoned on some planet somewhere.
Likewise, I don't think Han or Leia knew who Rey was. Upon my rewatch I thought maybe Kylo knows, or at least has an idea, though.
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Gotta disagree on some points. I share your sentiment that, hopefully, Rey is not Luke's kid. It doesn't make sense to me that Luke would've allowed one of his kids to basically be abandoned on some planet somewhere.
Likewise, I don't think Han or Leia knew who Rey was. Upon my rewatch I thought maybe Kylo knows, or at least has an idea, though.
I've considered that, too, that she was someone Kylo Ren couldn't bring himself to kill so he hid her away from Luke AND the First Order. That might be why he asks "WHICH GIRL?" when he interrogates that officer
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Gotta disagree on some points. I share your sentiment that, hopefully, Rey is not Luke's kid. It doesn't make sense to me that Luke would've allowed one of his kids to basically be abandoned on some planet somewhere.
Likewise, I don't think Han or Leia knew who Rey was. Upon my rewatch I thought maybe Kylo knows, or at least has an idea, though.
I've considered that, too, that she was someone Kylo Ren couldn't bring himself to kill so he hid her away from Luke AND the First Order. That might be why he asks "WHICH GIRL?" when he interrogates that officer
Which means she could be Luke's kid or Han & Leia's kid. Nobody was coming back for her, and nobody recognizes her, because they thought she died when she was 4 or 5 years old.
Luke wouldn't have abandoned his kid to go sulk for 15 years. Maybe he doesn't even know he has a kid. Maybe in the next movie Rey will say to Luke "No... you are my father" and then Luke will say "No, that's not possible" and then jump off the island.
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Gotta disagree on some points. I share your sentiment that, hopefully, Rey is not Luke's kid. It doesn't make sense to me that Luke would've allowed one of his kids to basically be abandoned on some planet somewhere.
Likewise, I don't think Han or Leia knew who Rey was. Upon my rewatch I thought maybe Kylo knows, or at least has an idea, though.
I've considered that, too, that she was someone Kylo Ren couldn't bring himself to kill so he hid her away from Luke AND the First Order. That might be why he asks "WHICH GIRL?" when he interrogates that officer
Which means she could be Luke's kid or Han & Leia's kid. Nobody was coming back for her, and nobody recognizes her, because they thought she died when she was 4 or 5 years old.
Luke wouldn't have abandoned his kid to go sulk for 15 years. Maybe he doesn't even know he has a kid. Maybe in the next movie Rey will say to Luke "No... you are my father" and then Luke will say "No, that's not possible" and then jump off the island.
Yeah, if it is Luke's kid I am sure they'll have an explanation as to how he didn't just willingly abandon her. But I really, really just don't want her to be a Skywalker or Solo. It's a big ass galaxy. Someone without their DNA can be the savior for once. Hell if it keeps repeating you wonder why that family won't just sterilize itself for the good of everyone.
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Gotta disagree on some points. I share your sentiment that, hopefully, Rey is not Luke's kid. It doesn't make sense to me that Luke would've allowed one of his kids to basically be abandoned on some planet somewhere.
Likewise, I don't think Han or Leia knew who Rey was. Upon my rewatch I thought maybe Kylo knows, or at least has an idea, though.
I've considered that, too, that she was someone Kylo Ren couldn't bring himself to kill so he hid her away from Luke AND the First Order. That might be why he asks "WHICH GIRL?" when he interrogates that officer
Which means she could be Luke's kid or Han & Leia's kid. Nobody was coming back for her, and nobody recognizes her, because they thought she died when she was 4 or 5 years old.
Luke wouldn't have abandoned his kid to go sulk for 15 years. Maybe he doesn't even know he has a kid. Maybe in the next movie Rey will say to Luke "No... you are my father" and then Luke will say "No, that's not possible" and then jump off the island.
I don't know about that. Maybe he just figured it worked out okay the first time.
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Gotta disagree on some points. I share your sentiment that, hopefully, Rey is not Luke's kid. It doesn't make sense to me that Luke would've allowed one of his kids to basically be abandoned on some planet somewhere.
Likewise, I don't think Han or Leia knew who Rey was. Upon my rewatch I thought maybe Kylo knows, or at least has an idea, though.
I've considered that, too, that she was someone Kylo Ren couldn't bring himself to kill so he hid her away from Luke AND the First Order. That might be why he asks "WHICH GIRL?" when he interrogates that officer
Which means she could be Luke's kid or Han & Leia's kid. Nobody was coming back for her, and nobody recognizes her, because they thought she died when she was 4 or 5 years old.
Luke wouldn't have abandoned his kid to go sulk for 15 years. Maybe he doesn't even know he has a kid. Maybe in the next movie Rey will say to Luke "No... you are my father" and then Luke will say "No, that's not possible" and then jump off the island.
I don't know about that. Maybe he just figured it worked out okay the first time.
Well technically the first time the kid grew up angry and hated sand and killed all of the jedi over it.
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Gotta disagree on some points. I share your sentiment that, hopefully, Rey is not Luke's kid. It doesn't make sense to me that Luke would've allowed one of his kids to basically be abandoned on some planet somewhere.
Likewise, I don't think Han or Leia knew who Rey was. Upon my rewatch I thought maybe Kylo knows, or at least has an idea, though.
I've considered that, too, that she was someone Kylo Ren couldn't bring himself to kill so he hid her away from Luke AND the First Order. That might be why he asks "WHICH GIRL?" when he interrogates that officer
Which means she could be Luke's kid or Han & Leia's kid. Nobody was coming back for her, and nobody recognizes her, because they thought she died when she was 4 or 5 years old.
Luke wouldn't have abandoned his kid to go sulk for 15 years. Maybe he doesn't even know he has a kid. Maybe in the next movie Rey will say to Luke "No... you are my father" and then Luke will say "No, that's not possible" and then jump off the island.
I don't know about that. Maybe he just figured it worked out okay the first time.
Well technically the first time the kid grew up angry and hated sand and killed all of the jedi over it.
Exactly, it all worked out...from a certain point of view.
Well put: http://www.tor.com/2016/01/14/hey-star-wars-episode-viii-dont-make-rey-a-skywalker/
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If Rey is Luke's daughter then all this new trilogy is setting out to prove is that the Force is basically safeguarded by their family, and that they're the only ones who can fix it... or conversely, screw it up. Instead of the previous trilogies being a fascinating blip in their galaxy's history, the Force becomes all about "The Divine Right of Skywalkers." Their morality drives the universe, and their philosophy becomes paramount. We've already had two solid generations of this, and it was very interesting... now let it be over. Don't let one family have the biggest say in how Good and Evil function in this sandbox.
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Kylo Ren is not dead, obviously, Snoke probably found exactly where Ren was with the force and then Hux and Scotty beamed him out.
THAT'S NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS
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Gotta disagree on some points. I share your sentiment that, hopefully, Rey is not Luke's kid. It doesn't make sense to me that Luke would've allowed one of his kids to basically be abandoned on some planet somewhere.
Likewise, I don't think Han or Leia knew who Rey was. Upon my rewatch I thought maybe Kylo knows, or at least has an idea, though.
I've considered that, too, that she was someone Kylo Ren couldn't bring himself to kill so he hid her away from Luke AND the First Order. That might be why he asks "WHICH GIRL?" when he interrogates that officer
Which means she could be Luke's kid or Han & Leia's kid. Nobody was coming back for her, and nobody recognizes her, because they thought she died when she was 4 or 5 years old.
Luke wouldn't have abandoned his kid to go sulk for 15 years. Maybe he doesn't even know he has a kid. Maybe in the next movie Rey will say to Luke "No... you are my father" and then Luke will say "No, that's not possible" and then jump off the island.
That would be hilarious. That needs to be a Robot Chicken bit, if nothing else.
Also, maybe her name isn't even "Rey," which would complicate matters. Of course, Luke would recognize her immediately. And that might be the one plot hole - Leia might be strong enough in the force to recognize Rey as family as well.
If they are following the basic theme of the original trilogy, there will be a reveal at some point in the second movie. Makes sense that it's related to Rey, although it would be hilarious (and slightly racist) if Lando shows up and reveals that he is the father of Finn.
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Quote from: Canadouche on January 14, 2016, 07:29:56 AM
Gotta disagree on some points. I share your sentiment that, hopefully, Rey is not Luke's kid. It doesn't make sense to me that Luke would've allowed one of his kids to basically be abandoned on some planet somewhere.
Likewise, I don't think Han or Leia knew who Rey was. Upon my rewatch I thought maybe Kylo knows, or at least has an idea, though.
I've considered that, too, that she was someone Kylo Ren couldn't bring himself to kill so he hid her away from Luke AND the First Order. That might be why he asks "WHICH GIRL?" when he interrogates that officer
Which means she could be Luke's kid or Han & Leia's kid. Nobody was coming back for her, and nobody recognizes her, because they thought she died when she was 4 or 5 years old.
Luke wouldn't have abandoned his kid to go sulk for 15 years. Maybe he doesn't even know he has a kid. Maybe in the next movie Rey will say to Luke "No... you are my father" and then Luke will say "No, that's not possible" and then jump off the island.
That would be hilarious. That needs to be a Robot Chicken bit, if nothing else.
Also, maybe her name isn't even "Rey," which would complicate matters. Of course, Luke would recognize her immediately. And that might be the one plot hole - Leia might be strong enough in the force to recognize Rey as family as well.
If they are following the basic theme of the original trilogy, there will be a reveal at some point in the second movie. Makes sense that it's related to Rey, although it would be hilarious (and slightly racist) if Lando shows up and reveals that he is the father of Finn.
They may not want to go down that road too far, becuase it raises the question of "How did Darth Vader not know Leia was his daughter when he was standing right next to her on the Death Star for hours on end."
So has anyone else pointed out how dope it was when Kylo Ren held that blaster bolt in midair for several minutes?
Quote from: Bort on January 14, 2016, 10:51:03 AM
So has anyone else pointed out how dope it was when Kylo Ren held that blaster bolt in midair for several minutes?
That was actually the moment I went "yep okay this is going to be a good one." Everything else was solid to that point but right there was I like "oh shit, this is Star Wars"
Quote from: SKO on January 14, 2016, 10:52:44 AM
Quote from: Bort on January 14, 2016, 10:51:03 AM
So has anyone else pointed out how dope it was when Kylo Ren held that blaster bolt in midair for several minutes?
That was actually the moment I went "yep okay this is going to be a good one." Everything else was solid to that point but right there was I like "oh shit, this is Star Wars"
It was something never actually shown before that totally felt like a Star Wars moment and I actually said "OH, DIP" really loudly when I saw it.
Quote from: Bort on January 14, 2016, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 14, 2016, 10:52:44 AM
Quote from: Bort on January 14, 2016, 10:51:03 AM
So has anyone else pointed out how dope it was when Kylo Ren held that blaster bolt in midair for several minutes?
That was actually the moment I went "yep okay this is going to be a good one." Everything else was solid to that point but right there was I like "oh shit, this is Star Wars"
It was something never actually shown before that totally felt like a Star Wars moment and I actually said "OH, DIP" really loudly when I saw it.
I see a lot of stupid people who are stupid that say shit like "Darth Emo" about Kylo Ren and hate him because he cries and under his mask he's basically a wimp but I actually love that about him. He's scared as shit, and angry, and wounded, and he likes to pretend to be big scary guy when underneath he's all kinds of conflicted and afraid.
He's everything prequel Anakin should have been. Instead of just a guy who was pretty much always an asshole until he killed some children. The end.
Quote from: SKO on January 14, 2016, 10:49:03 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on January 14, 2016, 09:29:53 AM
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Quote from: SKO on January 14, 2016, 07:37:01 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on January 14, 2016, 07:29:56 AM
Gotta disagree on some points. I share your sentiment that, hopefully, Rey is not Luke's kid. It doesn't make sense to me that Luke would've allowed one of his kids to basically be abandoned on some planet somewhere.
Likewise, I don't think Han or Leia knew who Rey was. Upon my rewatch I thought maybe Kylo knows, or at least has an idea, though.
I've considered that, too, that she was someone Kylo Ren couldn't bring himself to kill so he hid her away from Luke AND the First Order. That might be why he asks "WHICH GIRL?" when he interrogates that officer
Which means she could be Luke's kid or Han & Leia's kid. Nobody was coming back for her, and nobody recognizes her, because they thought she died when she was 4 or 5 years old.
Luke wouldn't have abandoned his kid to go sulk for 15 years. Maybe he doesn't even know he has a kid. Maybe in the next movie Rey will say to Luke "No... you are my father" and then Luke will say "No, that's not possible" and then jump off the island.
That would be hilarious. That needs to be a Robot Chicken bit, if nothing else.
Also, maybe her name isn't even "Rey," which would complicate matters. Of course, Luke would recognize her immediately. And that might be the one plot hole - Leia might be strong enough in the force to recognize Rey as family as well.
If they are following the basic theme of the original trilogy, there will be a reveal at some point in the second movie. Makes sense that it's related to Rey, although it would be hilarious (and slightly racist) if Lando shows up and reveals that he is the father of Finn.
They may not want to go down that road too far, becuase it raises the question of "How did Darth Vader not know Leia was his daughter when he was standing right next to her on the Death Star for hours on end."
I'd argue the difference being that Vader didn't know about Leia at all, whereas per this theory, Leia would've probably spent time with Baby Rey.
Quote from: SKO on January 14, 2016, 11:02:55 AM
Quote from: Bort on January 14, 2016, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 14, 2016, 10:52:44 AM
Quote from: Bort on January 14, 2016, 10:51:03 AM
So has anyone else pointed out how dope it was when Kylo Ren held that blaster bolt in midair for several minutes?
That was actually the moment I went "yep okay this is going to be a good one." Everything else was solid to that point but right there was I like "oh shit, this is Star Wars"
It was something never actually shown before that totally felt like a Star Wars moment and I actually said "OH, DIP" really loudly when I saw it.
I see a lot of stupid people who are stupid that say shit like "Darth Emo" about Kylo Ren and hate him because he cries and under his mask he's basically a wimp but I actually love that about him. He's scared as shit, and angry, and wounded, and he likes to pretend to be big scary guy when underneath he's all kinds of conflicted and afraid.
He's everything prequel Anakin should have been. Instead of just a guy who was pretty much always an asshole until he killed some children. The end.
He's a great character. Immensely powerful while being shitty and confused. He's honestly exactly what the Luke from IV would have become if Vader found him first.
Quote from: Bort on January 14, 2016, 11:12:30 AM
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Quote from: Bort on January 14, 2016, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 14, 2016, 10:52:44 AM
Quote from: Bort on January 14, 2016, 10:51:03 AM
So has anyone else pointed out how dope it was when Kylo Ren held that blaster bolt in midair for several minutes?
That was actually the moment I went "yep okay this is going to be a good one." Everything else was solid to that point but right there was I like "oh shit, this is Star Wars"
It was something never actually shown before that totally felt like a Star Wars moment and I actually said "OH, DIP" really loudly when I saw it.
I see a lot of stupid people who are stupid that say shit like "Darth Emo" about Kylo Ren and hate him because he cries and under his mask he's basically a wimp but I actually love that about him. He's scared as shit, and angry, and wounded, and he likes to pretend to be big scary guy when underneath he's all kinds of conflicted and afraid.
He's everything prequel Anakin should have been. Instead of just a guy who was pretty much always an asshole until he killed some children. The end.
He's a great character. Immensely powerful while being shitty and confused. He's honestly exactly what the Luke from IV would have become if Vader found him first.
Right, the main thing about the dark side that the prequels did get right is that the main path to it is
fear. Most people don't start out so evil as to go the dark side because they want to be a scary evil murderer. Luke comes closest to the dark side in Jedi because he's afraid of Vader going after Leia. Kylo is mostly just afraid of not being good enough, of not living up the legacy and burden of his family.
Okay, time for you all to take a cold shower again.
Quote from: Tonker on January 14, 2016, 11:54:30 AM
Okay, time for you all to take a cold shower again.
We're all nerds for something. Some of us, just more so.
Quote from: Tonker on January 14, 2016, 11:54:30 AM
Okay, time for you all to take a cold shower again.
What you should definitely do is keep posting in here, though. This bit gets funnier every time, Dubbs.
Did anyone else notice that the end with Luke and his robes and rocky cliff looked like a Led Zeppelin poster? I thought that was pretty awesome.
Quote from: Tony on January 14, 2016, 11:58:37 AM
Did anyone else notice that the end with Luke and his robes and rocky cliff looked like a Led Zeppelin poster? I thought that was pretty awesome.
It was most tranquil.
Quote from: SKO on January 14, 2016, 11:56:24 AM
Quote from: Tonker on January 14, 2016, 11:54:30 AM
Okay, time for you all to take a cold shower again.
What you should definitely do is keep posting in here, though. This bit gets funnier every time, Dubbs.
Oh, relax. I've joined in, too: I'm just pulling your legs when it all gets a bit earnest.
Quote from: Tony on January 14, 2016, 11:58:37 AM
Did anyone else notice that the end with Luke and his robes and rocky cliff looked like a Led Zeppelin poster? I thought that was pretty awesome.
I actually thought "is that the Giant's Causeway?"
Quote from: Tonker on January 14, 2016, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 14, 2016, 11:56:24 AM
Quote from: Tonker on January 14, 2016, 11:54:30 AM
Okay, time for you all to take a cold shower again.
What you should definitely do is keep posting in here, though. This bit gets funnier every time, Dubbs.
Oh, relax. I've joined in, too: I'm just pulling your legs when it all gets a bit earnest.
Go back to Belgium, Ozzie.
Quote from: Bort on January 14, 2016, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 14, 2016, 10:52:44 AM
Quote from: Bort on January 14, 2016, 10:51:03 AM
So has anyone else pointed out how dope it was when Kylo Ren held that blaster bolt in midair for several minutes?
That was actually the moment I went "yep okay this is going to be a good one." Everything else was solid to that point but right there was I like "oh shit, this is Star Wars"
It was something never actually shown before that totally felt like a Star Wars moment and I actually said "OH, DIP" really loudly when I saw it.
Dick In Play?
Quote from: Bort on January 14, 2016, 01:29:54 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 14, 2016, 11:58:37 AM
Did anyone else notice that the end with Luke and his robes and rocky cliff looked like a Led Zeppelin poster? I thought that was pretty awesome.
I actually thought "is that the Giant's Causeway?"
Skellig Islands. Wife and I went there during our honeymoon
Quote from: Yeti on January 14, 2016, 02:01:40 PM
Quote from: Bort on January 14, 2016, 01:29:54 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 14, 2016, 11:58:37 AM
Did anyone else notice that the end with Luke and his robes and rocky cliff looked like a Led Zeppelin poster? I thought that was pretty awesome.
I actually thought "is that the Giant's Causeway?"
Skellig Islands. Wife and I went there during our honeymoon
You and your wife went into the Witcher III?
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Quote from: Yeti on January 14, 2016, 02:01:40 PM
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Quote from: Tony on January 14, 2016, 11:58:37 AM
Did anyone else notice that the end with Luke and his robes and rocky cliff looked like a Led Zeppelin poster? I thought that was pretty awesome.
I actually thought "is that the Giant's Causeway?"
Skellig Islands. Wife and I went there during our honeymoon
You and your wife went into the Witcher III?
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Quote from: Yeti on January 14, 2016, 01:54:31 PM
Quote from: Bort on January 14, 2016, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 14, 2016, 10:52:44 AM
Quote from: Bort on January 14, 2016, 10:51:03 AM
So has anyone else pointed out how dope it was when Kylo Ren held that blaster bolt in midair for several minutes?
That was actually the moment I went "yep okay this is going to be a good one." Everything else was solid to that point but right there was I like "oh shit, this is Star Wars"
It was something never actually shown before that totally felt like a Star Wars moment and I actually said "OH, DIP" really loudly when I saw it.
Dick In Play?
No butt stuff?
Quote from: Yeti on January 14, 2016, 01:54:31 PM
Quote from: Bort on January 14, 2016, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 14, 2016, 10:52:44 AM
Quote from: Bort on January 14, 2016, 10:51:03 AM
So has anyone else pointed out how dope it was when Kylo Ren held that blaster bolt in midair for several minutes?
That was actually the moment I went "yep okay this is going to be a good one." Everything else was solid to that point but right there was I like "oh shit, this is Star Wars"
It was something never actually shown before that totally felt like a Star Wars moment and I actually said "OH, DIP" really loudly when I saw it.
Dick In Play?
Demi, gross, DIP.
It's amazing what happens when you make the focal point a bunch of charismatic actors and let them actually do their acting thing, instead of making everyone a slave to your dumbass CGI green screen effects that are bound to age poorly anyway.
Quote from: CT III on May 03, 2016, 11:07:04 PM
It's amazing what happens when you make the focal point a bunch of charismatic actors and let them actually do their acting thing, instead of making everyone a slave to your dumbass CGI green screen effects that are bound to age poorly anyway.
#ComicBookMovies
We finally got the only review of any Star Wars movie that really matters.
http://redlettermedia.com/mr-plinketts-the-star-wars-awakens-review (http://redlettermedia.com/mr-plinketts-the-star-wars-awakens-review)
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on October 03, 2016, 10:41:57 AM
We finally got the only review of any Star Wars movie that really matters.
http://redlettermedia.com/mr-plinketts-the-star-wars-awakens-review (http://redlettermedia.com/mr-plinketts-the-star-wars-awakens-review)
I had a twitter rant about this but basically:
The first half, where he fires back at Prequel Apologists, is great.
His actual criticisms of TFA are pretty...off, though. He didn't seem to want to harp on the "it's A New Hope remake!" part too much, and I'm glad. His comparison of this to the 2009 Star Trek was apt. If they don't do something new and exciting in Episode VIII, VII will not be remembered as fondly.
After that, though, saying "did we really need all of this diversity, kids never cared before about this shit, only adults care about diversity in characters" is patent bullshit and a really white guy way of thinking about things. You didn't care because you were a white guy and every character was someone you could relate to. Plenty of minorities and women have said this movie was what they wanted as a kid because they got tired of being told on the playground that they had to be Leia or Lando, end of story. It was a weird bone to pick and it makes him look like an asshole.
Also saying that there needed to be sex was weird. There's arguably more flirting and more of a romantic build up between Rey and Finn in this movie than there was between either Luke and Leia or Han and Leia in A New Hope. Judging it against an entire trilogy's romantic arc is weird. Also, I don't agree at all that she has to end up with Finn or whatever for the movies to be good or relatable. Luke never really had a romantic arc in the OT after some comments about Leia in ANH and nobody ever cared, Rey can do the same.
Quote from: SKO on October 07, 2016, 03:07:48 PM
The first half, where he fires back at Prequel Apologists, is great.
Yes, but why is that in a 1:45:00 long TFA review?
And, it wasn't very funny. The RLM stuff is usually very amusing. This was very meh.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 07, 2016, 03:17:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 07, 2016, 03:07:48 PM
The first half, where he fires back at Prequel Apologists, is great.
Yes, but why is that in a 1:45:00 long TFA review?
And, it wasn't very funny. The RLM stuff is usually very amusing. This was very meh.
Right, I think he wanted to film "Plinkett Responds to the Prequel Apologists", and instead did "The Force Awakens Review" even though he liked the movie because people expected him to make one, which is ironic, given how he rants against the evils of franchising.
Quote from: SKO on October 07, 2016, 03:07:48 PM
The first half, where he fires back at Prequel Apologists, is great.
Cool... I could watch prequel bashing all day.
Quote from: SKO on October 07, 2016, 03:07:48 PM
After that, though, saying "did we really need all of this diversity, kids never cared before about this shit, only adults care about diversity in characters" is patent bullshit and a really white guy way of thinking about things.
Crap... maybe I'll skip this then.
Quote from: Tony on October 09, 2016, 08:01:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 07, 2016, 03:07:48 PM
The first half, where he fires back at Prequel Apologists, is great.
Cool... I could watch prequel bashing all day.
Quote from: SKO on October 07, 2016, 03:07:48 PM
After that, though, saying "did we really need all of this diversity, kids never cared before about this shit, only adults care about diversity in characters" is patent bullshit and a really white guy way of thinking about things.
Crap... maybe I'll skip this then.
Honestly, I think Plinkett has overstayed his welcome, or maybe I've outgrown him.
Quote from: Bort on October 09, 2016, 12:43:58 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 09, 2016, 08:01:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 07, 2016, 03:07:48 PM
The first half, where he fires back at Prequel Apologists, is great.
Cool... I could watch prequel bashing all day.
Quote from: SKO on October 07, 2016, 03:07:48 PM
After that, though, saying "did we really need all of this diversity, kids never cared before about this shit, only adults care about diversity in characters" is patent bullshit and a really white guy way of thinking about things.
Crap... maybe I'll skip this then.
Honestly, I think Plinkett has overstayed his welcome, or maybe I've outgrown him.
Half in the Bag is quite good. This just wasn't up to snuff.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 09, 2016, 07:13:36 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 09, 2016, 12:43:58 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 09, 2016, 08:01:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 07, 2016, 03:07:48 PM
The first half, where he fires back at Prequel Apologists, is great.
Cool... I could watch prequel bashing all day.
Quote from: SKO on October 07, 2016, 03:07:48 PM
After that, though, saying "did we really need all of this diversity, kids never cared before about this shit, only adults care about diversity in characters" is patent bullshit and a really white guy way of thinking about things.
Crap... maybe I'll skip this then.
Honestly, I think Plinkett has overstayed his welcome, or maybe I've outgrown him.
Half in the Bag is quite good. This just wasn't up to snuff.
Agreed. The Half in the Bag Review of TFA when they were all just giving an honest opinion of the movie was far better than this really kinda forced production
Yeah this still looks really fucking cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC9abcLLQpI
Quote from: InternetApex on December 28, 2015, 10:04:55 AM
Captain Phasma: "I hope you don't think you're going to get away with this." -- while she's turning off the shield and raising their win expectancy about 1000% almost killed the movie for me. That's one guileless supervillain. She must have been blowing Hux or plowing his ass with a giant robo penis and filming it to stay employed if that's the way she performs her job. What a waste of Gwen Christie's ability to be bad as fuck. She slew The Hound (greatly diminished in strength due to infected wounds, natch) and this is all she could muster up when three dipshits with blasters invade her giant starkilling weapons reactor?
Hey so two years later they addressed this apparently by having a book about Phasma where she's raised on a hellish warrior planet and is really only concerned with her own survival and while she plays the part of devoted First Order person well she is in no way willing to die for it if she can avoid it. In the book she literally hunts down and kills the one First Order officer who could have verified that she was the one to lower the shield.
Not that anyone still cared at this point but Disney apparently did agree with Peck that this needed to be addressed somehow.
I realize now that cinematic "Star Wars" is the new literature. It is analyzed and parsed the way that academics study Shakespeare.
Quote from: CBStew on December 21, 2017, 11:54:53 AM
I realize now that cinematic "Star Wars" is the new literature. It is analyzed and parsed the way that academics study Shakespeare.
Because Shakespeare's stuff is also a bunch of action and humor aimed at general audiences that has only become some kind of signifier of culture or some great literary accomplishment with the passage of time? Shakespeare wasn't trying to write masterpieces, he wrote a bunch of dick jokes to fill a theater.
Quote from: CBStew on December 21, 2017, 11:54:53 AM
I realize now that cinematic "Star Wars" is the new literature. It is analyzed and parsed the way that academics study Shakespeare.
I'll just leave this here (https://www.amazon.ca/William-Shakespeares-Star-Trilogy-34-inch/dp/1594747911).
Quote from: Canadouche on December 21, 2017, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 21, 2017, 11:54:53 AM
I realize now that cinematic "Star Wars" is the new literature. It is analyzed and parsed the way that academics study Shakespeare.
I'll just leave this here (https://www.amazon.ca/William-Shakespeares-Star-Trilogy-34-inch/dp/1594747911).
I resteth my case.