Quote from: Tonker on April 04, 2016, 08:33:02 AM
Will this do?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 04, 2016, 08:36:15 AMQuote from: Tonker on April 04, 2016, 08:33:02 AM
Will this do?
Less shitty, but still shitty.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 04, 2016, 08:36:15 AMQuote from: Tonker on April 04, 2016, 08:33:02 AM
Will this do?
Less shitty, but still shitty.
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 08:37:09 AMQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 04, 2016, 08:36:15 AMQuote from: Tonker on April 04, 2016, 08:33:02 AM
Will this do?
Less shitty, but still shitty.
The Force Arrives didn't even make any fucking sense, man. None at all. At least the splooge makes sense.
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
The 2016 Cubs *Santo Voice* THIS. IS. THE. YEAAAAAARRRR
The 2016 Cubs: The Year We've All Been Waiting For
The 2016 Cubs: We Think You Made It, Stew
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 04, 2016, 08:41:04 AMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
The 2016 Cubs *Santo Voice* THIS. IS. THE. YEAAAAAARRRR
The 2016 Cubs: The Year We've All Been Waiting For
The 2016 Cubs: We Think You Made It, Stew
I like the third one, but without the comma.
Quote from: Eli on April 04, 2016, 09:28:50 AM
The 2016 Cubs: I Am Pretty, Optimistic
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 09:19:20 AMMaybe I should post this in the "I admit it" thread. I knew that the Cubs were opening with the Angels, so last night when I saw yesterday's box score I thought that was it. I wondered why the Cubs would go with their number 5 pitcher on opening day, but then I chalked it off to Maddon being some kind of genius with the lineup and that this experiment misfired. Give me a break, I am an octogenarian nowQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 04, 2016, 08:41:04 AMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
The 2016 Cubs *Santo Voice* THIS. IS. THE. YEAAAAAARRRR
The 2016 Cubs: The Year We've All Been Waiting For
The 2016 Cubs: We Think You Made It, Stew
I like the third one, but without the comma.
I actually agree with Chuck, except I think the comma should stand, man.
It's time for dongs to propagate throughout the National League and some American League ballparks at sporadic, inane times during the season...like Opening Day. Because that makes a fuck ton of sense.
Anyway, OPENING DAY!
Quote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 12:04:33 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 09:19:20 AMMaybe I should post this in the "I admit it" thread. I knew that the Cubs were opening with the Angels, so last night when I saw yesterday's box score I thought that was it. I wondered why the Cubs would go with their number 5 pitcher on opening day, but then I chalked it off to Maddon being some kind of genius with the lineup and that this experiment misfired. Give me a break, I am an octogenarian nowQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 04, 2016, 08:41:04 AMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
The 2016 Cubs *Santo Voice* THIS. IS. THE. YEAAAAAARRRR
The 2016 Cubs: The Year We've All Been Waiting For
The 2016 Cubs: We Think You Made It, Stew
I like the third one, but without the comma.
I actually agree with Chuck, except I think the comma should stand, man.
It's time for dongs to propagate throughout the National League and some American League ballparks at sporadic, inane times during the season...like Opening Day. Because that makes a fuck ton of sense.
Anyway, OPENING DAY!
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 12:16:49 PMQuote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 12:04:33 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 09:19:20 AMMaybe I should post this in the "I admit it" thread. I knew that the Cubs were opening with the Angels, so last night when I saw yesterday's box score I thought that was it. I wondered why the Cubs would go with their number 5 pitcher on opening day, but then I chalked it off to Maddon being some kind of genius with the lineup and that this experiment misfired. Give me a break, I am an octogenarian nowQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 04, 2016, 08:41:04 AMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
The 2016 Cubs *Santo Voice* THIS. IS. THE. YEAAAAAARRRR
The 2016 Cubs: The Year We've All Been Waiting For
The 2016 Cubs: We Think You Made It, Stew
I like the third one, but without the comma.
I actually agree with Chuck, except I think the comma should stand, man.
It's time for dongs to propagate throughout the National League and some American League ballparks at sporadic, inane times during the season...like Opening Day. Because that makes a fuck ton of sense.
Anyway, OPENING DAY!
You are so inherently likable.
Who'da thunk it, Stew? You made it to gheys getting hitched and the Cubs being legit World Series contenders for not just one year, but more than one year again.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 12:16:49 PMLikable? I am going to vote for Bernie Sanders. How do you like me now?Quote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 12:04:33 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 09:19:20 AMMaybe I should post this in the "I admit it" thread. I knew that the Cubs were opening with the Angels, so last night when I saw yesterday's box score I thought that was it. I wondered why the Cubs would go with their number 5 pitcher on opening day, but then I chalked it off to Maddon being some kind of genius with the lineup and that this experiment misfired. Give me a break, I am an octogenarian nowQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 04, 2016, 08:41:04 AMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
The 2016 Cubs *Santo Voice* THIS. IS. THE. YEAAAAAARRRR
The 2016 Cubs: The Year We've All Been Waiting For
The 2016 Cubs: We Think You Made It, Stew
I like the third one, but without the comma.
I actually agree with Chuck, except I think the comma should stand, man.
It's time for dongs to propagate throughout the National League and some American League ballparks at sporadic, inane times during the season...like Opening Day. Because that makes a fuck ton of sense.
Anyway, OPENING DAY!
You are so inherently likable.
Who'da thunk it, Stew? You made it to gheys getting hitched and the Cubs being legit World Series contenders for not just one year, but more than one year.
Quote from: R-V on April 04, 2016, 02:40:25 PM
Lineup is in:
CF Fowler
RF Heyward
2B Zobrist
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber
RF Soler
C Montero
SS Russell
Does this mean Maddon trusts Schwarber's LF defense more than Soler's at this point? Also I'd rather have Bryant hitting 3rd and getting a potential extra AB instead of Zobrist.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 04, 2016, 02:42:05 PMQuote from: R-V on April 04, 2016, 02:40:25 PM
Lineup is in:
CF Fowler
RF Heyward
2B Zobrist
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber
RF Soler
C Montero
SS Russell
Does this mean Maddon trusts Schwarber's LF defense more than Soler's at this point? Also I'd rather have Bryant hitting 3rd and getting a potential extra AB instead of Zobrist.
I know Soler was bad in RF last year, but putting another RF out there as his minder is just piling on.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 04, 2016, 02:43:23 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 04, 2016, 02:42:05 PMQuote from: R-V on April 04, 2016, 02:40:25 PM
Lineup is in:
CF Fowler
RF Heyward
2B Zobrist
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber
RF Soler
C Montero
SS Russell
Does this mean Maddon trusts Schwarber's LF defense more than Soler's at this point? Also I'd rather have Bryant hitting 3rd and getting a potential extra AB instead of Zobrist.
I know Soler was bad in RF last year, but putting another RF out there as his minder is just piling on.
Let me know when the Cubs lineup is in ok?
Quote from: R-V on April 04, 2016, 02:40:25 PM
Lineup is in:
CF Fowler
RF Heyward
2B Zobrist
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber
DH Soler
C Montero
SS Russell
Does this mean Maddon trusts Schwarber's LF defense more than Soler's at this point? Also I'd rather have Bryant hitting 3rd and getting a potential extra AB instead of Zobrist.
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 02:53:52 PMQuote from: R-V on April 04, 2016, 02:40:25 PM
Lineup is in:
CF Fowler
RF Heyward
2B Zobrist
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber
DH Soler
C Montero
SS Russell
Does this mean Maddon trusts Schwarber's LF defense more than Soler's at this point? Also I'd rather have Bryant hitting 3rd and getting a potential extra AB instead of Zobrist.
I'm fine with batting Bryant 5th on principle but I like Zobrist batting 5th behind those four high OBP guys because Zobrist's contact skills would seemingly come in handy in some run producing spots, whereas Bryant's power will play anywhere.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 04, 2016, 03:04:23 PMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 02:53:52 PMQuote from: R-V on April 04, 2016, 02:40:25 PM
Lineup is in:
CF Fowler
RF Heyward
2B Zobrist
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber
DH Soler
C Montero
SS Russell
Does this mean Maddon trusts Schwarber's LF defense more than Soler's at this point? Also I'd rather have Bryant hitting 3rd and getting a potential extra AB instead of Zobrist.
I'm fine with batting Bryant 5th on principle but I like Zobrist batting 5th behind those four high OBP guys because Zobrist's contact skills would seemingly come in handy in some run producing spots, whereas Bryant's power will play anywhere.
I think Maddon takes into account things like batter vs. pitcher, ballpark familiarity and other stuff that only his genius mind can conceive when putting together his lineups. And I really like you guys and don't mind reading your baseball lineup ideas. So post away. But Joe's are better.
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 03:05:55 PMQuote from: InternetApex on April 04, 2016, 03:04:23 PMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 02:53:52 PMQuote from: R-V on April 04, 2016, 02:40:25 PM
Lineup is in:
CF Fowler
RF Heyward
2B Zobrist
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber
DH Soler
C Montero
SS Russell
Does this mean Maddon trusts Schwarber's LF defense more than Soler's at this point? Also I'd rather have Bryant hitting 3rd and getting a potential extra AB instead of Zobrist.
I'm fine with batting Bryant 5th on principle but I like Zobrist batting 5th behind those four high OBP guys because Zobrist's contact skills would seemingly come in handy in some run producing spots, whereas Bryant's power will play anywhere.
I think Maddon takes into account things like batter vs. pitcher, ballpark familiarity and other stuff that only his genius mind can conceive when putting together his lineups. And I really like you guys and don't mind reading your baseball lineup ideas. So post away. But Joe's are better.
I get it, I'm hardly bitching. Joe could arrange 1-7 in that lineup however he wants and not be wrong. These are heady times. Plus it's Joe, the odds of Bryant sticking in the 5 hole long enough for it to cost him any significant amount of ABs over the course of a season is miniscule, I doubt we see the same lineup tomorrow.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 04, 2016, 03:08:32 PMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 03:05:55 PMQuote from: InternetApex on April 04, 2016, 03:04:23 PMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 02:53:52 PMQuote from: R-V on April 04, 2016, 02:40:25 PM
Lineup is in:
CF Fowler
RF Heyward
2B Zobrist
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber
DH Soler
C Montero
SS Russell
Does this mean Maddon trusts Schwarber's LF defense more than Soler's at this point? Also I'd rather have Bryant hitting 3rd and getting a potential extra AB instead of Zobrist.
I'm fine with batting Bryant 5th on principle but I like Zobrist batting 5th behind those four high OBP guys because Zobrist's contact skills would seemingly come in handy in some run producing spots, whereas Bryant's power will play anywhere.
I think Maddon takes into account things like batter vs. pitcher, ballpark familiarity and other stuff that only his genius mind can conceive when putting together his lineups. And I really like you guys and don't mind reading your baseball lineup ideas. So post away. But Joe's are better.
I get it, I'm hardly bitching. Joe could arrange 1-7 in that lineup however he wants and not be wrong. These are heady times. Plus it's Joe, the odds of Bryant sticking in the 5 hole long enough for it to cost him any significant amount of ABs over the course of a season is miniscule, I doubt we see the same lineup tomorrow.
They're playing a lefty tomorrow, so I really doubt it'll be the same.
Quote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 01:04:40 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 12:16:49 PMLikable? I am going to vote for Bernie Sanders. How do you like me now?Quote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 12:04:33 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 09:19:20 AMMaybe I should post this in the "I admit it" thread. I knew that the Cubs were opening with the Angels, so last night when I saw yesterday's box score I thought that was it. I wondered why the Cubs would go with their number 5 pitcher on opening day, but then I chalked it off to Maddon being some kind of genius with the lineup and that this experiment misfired. Give me a break, I am an octogenarian nowQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 04, 2016, 08:41:04 AMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
The 2016 Cubs *Santo Voice* THIS. IS. THE. YEAAAAAARRRR
The 2016 Cubs: The Year We've All Been Waiting For
The 2016 Cubs: We Think You Made It, Stew
I like the third one, but without the comma.
I actually agree with Chuck, except I think the comma should stand, man.
It's time for dongs to propagate throughout the National League and some American League ballparks at sporadic, inane times during the season...like Opening Day. Because that makes a fuck ton of sense.
Anyway, OPENING DAY!
You are so inherently likable.
Who'da thunk it, Stew? You made it to gheys getting hitched and the Cubs being legit World Series contenders for not just one year, but more than one year.
Quote from: flannj on April 04, 2016, 05:18:16 PMQuote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 01:04:40 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 12:16:49 PMLikable? I am going to vote for Bernie Sanders. How do you like me now?Quote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 12:04:33 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 09:19:20 AMMaybe I should post this in the "I admit it" thread. I knew that the Cubs were opening with the Angels, so last night when I saw yesterday's box score I thought that was it. I wondered why the Cubs would go with their number 5 pitcher on opening day, but then I chalked it off to Maddon being some kind of genius with the lineup and that this experiment misfired. Give me a break, I am an octogenarian nowQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 04, 2016, 08:41:04 AMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
The 2016 Cubs *Santo Voice* THIS. IS. THE. YEAAAAAARRRR
The 2016 Cubs: The Year We've All Been Waiting For
The 2016 Cubs: We Think You Made It, Stew
I like the third one, but without the comma.
I actually agree with Chuck, except I think the comma should stand, man.
It's time for dongs to propagate throughout the National League and some American League ballparks at sporadic, inane times during the season...like Opening Day. Because that makes a fuck ton of sense.
Anyway, OPENING DAY!
You are so inherently likable.
Who'da thunk it, Stew? You made it to gheys getting hitched and the Cubs being legit World Series contenders for not just one year, but more than one year.
I think we already kinda knew that Stew. I suppose we'll still put up with you.
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 05:41:10 PMQuote from: flannj on April 04, 2016, 05:18:16 PMQuote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 01:04:40 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 12:16:49 PMLikable? I am going to vote for Bernie Sanders. How do you like me now?Quote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 12:04:33 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 09:19:20 AMMaybe I should post this in the "I admit it" thread. I knew that the Cubs were opening with the Angels, so last night when I saw yesterday's box score I thought that was it. I wondered why the Cubs would go with their number 5 pitcher on opening day, but then I chalked it off to Maddon being some kind of genius with the lineup and that this experiment misfired. Give me a break, I am an octogenarian nowQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 04, 2016, 08:41:04 AMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
The 2016 Cubs *Santo Voice* THIS. IS. THE. YEAAAAAARRRR
The 2016 Cubs: The Year We've All Been Waiting For
The 2016 Cubs: We Think You Made It, Stew
I like the third one, but without the comma.
I actually agree with Chuck, except I think the comma should stand, man.
It's time for dongs to propagate throughout the National League and some American League ballparks at sporadic, inane times during the season...like Opening Day. Because that makes a fuck ton of sense.
Anyway, OPENING DAY!
You are so inherently likable.
Who'da thunk it, Stew? You made it to gheys getting hitched and the Cubs being legit World Series contenders for not just one year, but more than one year.
I think we already kinda knew that Stew. I suppose we'll still put up with you.
I thought he was Bernie Sanders
Quote from: Bort on April 05, 2016, 06:53:25 AMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 05:41:10 PMQuote from: flannj on April 04, 2016, 05:18:16 PMQuote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 01:04:40 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 12:16:49 PMLikable? I am going to vote for Bernie Sanders. How do you like me now?Quote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 12:04:33 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 09:19:20 AMMaybe I should post this in the "I admit it" thread. I knew that the Cubs were opening with the Angels, so last night when I saw yesterday's box score I thought that was it. I wondered why the Cubs would go with their number 5 pitcher on opening day, but then I chalked it off to Maddon being some kind of genius with the lineup and that this experiment misfired. Give me a break, I am an octogenarian nowQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 04, 2016, 08:41:04 AMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
The 2016 Cubs *Santo Voice* THIS. IS. THE. YEAAAAAARRRR
The 2016 Cubs: The Year We've All Been Waiting For
The 2016 Cubs: We Think You Made It, Stew
I like the third one, but without the comma.
I actually agree with Chuck, except I think the comma should stand, man.
It's time for dongs to propagate throughout the National League and some American League ballparks at sporadic, inane times during the season...like Opening Day. Because that makes a fuck ton of sense.
Anyway, OPENING DAY!
You are so inherently likable.
Who'da thunk it, Stew? You made it to gheys getting hitched and the Cubs being legit World Series contenders for not just one year, but more than one year.
I think we already kinda knew that Stew. I suppose we'll still put up with you.
I thought he was Bernie Sanders
Bernie WISHES he had Stew's glorious head of hair.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 12:16:49 PMQuote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 12:04:33 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 09:19:20 AMMaybe I should post this in the "I admit it" thread. I knew that the Cubs were opening with the Angels, so last night when I saw yesterday's box score I thought that was it. I wondered why the Cubs would go with their number 5 pitcher on opening day, but then I chalked it off to Maddon being some kind of genius with the lineup and that this experiment misfired. Give me a break, I am an octogenarian nowQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 04, 2016, 08:41:04 AMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
The 2016 Cubs *Santo Voice* THIS. IS. THE. YEAAAAAARRRR
The 2016 Cubs: The Year We've All Been Waiting For
The 2016 Cubs: We Think You Made It, Stew
I like the third one, but without the comma.
I actually agree with Chuck, except I think the comma should stand, man.
It's time for dongs to propagate throughout the National League and some American League ballparks at sporadic, inane times during the season...like Opening Day. Because that makes a fuck ton of sense.
Anyway, OPENING DAY!
You are so inherently likable.
Who'da thunk it, Stew? You made it to gheys getting hitched and the Cubs being legit World Series contenders for not just one year, but more than one year.
Quote from: Oleg on April 05, 2016, 11:22:57 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 12:16:49 PMQuote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 12:04:33 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 09:19:20 AMMaybe I should post this in the "I admit it" thread. I knew that the Cubs were opening with the Angels, so last night when I saw yesterday's box score I thought that was it. I wondered why the Cubs would go with their number 5 pitcher on opening day, but then I chalked it off to Maddon being some kind of genius with the lineup and that this experiment misfired. Give me a break, I am an octogenarian nowQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 04, 2016, 08:41:04 AMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
The 2016 Cubs *Santo Voice* THIS. IS. THE. YEAAAAAARRRR
The 2016 Cubs: The Year We've All Been Waiting For
The 2016 Cubs: We Think You Made It, Stew
I like the third one, but without the comma.
I actually agree with Chuck, except I think the comma should stand, man.
It's time for dongs to propagate throughout the National League and some American League ballparks at sporadic, inane times during the season...like Opening Day. Because that makes a fuck ton of sense.
Anyway, OPENING DAY!
You are so inherently likable.
Who'da thunk it, Stew? You made it to gheys getting hitched and the Cubs being legit World Series contenders for not just one year, but more than one year.
And we have a black president and, pretty soon,about halfthe US population will live under theinfluence of legalized potyoke of a female anti-christ.
Quote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 01:04:40 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 12:16:49 PMLikable? I am going to vote for Bernie Sanders. How do you like me now?Quote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 12:04:33 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 09:19:20 AMMaybe I should post this in the "I admit it" thread. I knew that the Cubs were opening with the Angels, so last night when I saw yesterday's box score I thought that was it. I wondered why the Cubs would go with their number 5 pitcher on opening day, but then I chalked it off to Maddon being some kind of genius with the lineup and that this experiment misfired. Give me a break, I am an octogenarian nowQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 04, 2016, 08:41:04 AMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
The 2016 Cubs *Santo Voice* THIS. IS. THE. YEAAAAAARRRR
The 2016 Cubs: The Year We've All Been Waiting For
The 2016 Cubs: We Think You Made It, Stew
I like the third one, but without the comma.
I actually agree with Chuck, except I think the comma should stand, man.
It's time for dongs to propagate throughout the National League and some American League ballparks at sporadic, inane times during the season...like Opening Day. Because that makes a fuck ton of sense.
Anyway, OPENING DAY!
You are so inherently likable.
Who'da thunk it, Stew? You made it to gheys getting hitched and the Cubs being legit World Series contenders for not just one year, but more than one year.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 05, 2016, 12:28:24 PMQuote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 01:04:40 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 12:16:49 PMLikable? I am going to vote for Bernie Sanders. How do you like me now?Quote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 12:04:33 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 09:19:20 AMMaybe I should post this in the "I admit it" thread. I knew that the Cubs were opening with the Angels, so last night when I saw yesterday's box score I thought that was it. I wondered why the Cubs would go with their number 5 pitcher on opening day, but then I chalked it off to Maddon being some kind of genius with the lineup and that this experiment misfired. Give me a break, I am an octogenarian nowQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 04, 2016, 08:41:04 AMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
The 2016 Cubs *Santo Voice* THIS. IS. THE. YEAAAAAARRRR
The 2016 Cubs: The Year We've All Been Waiting For
The 2016 Cubs: We Think You Made It, Stew
I like the third one, but without the comma.
I actually agree with Chuck, except I think the comma should stand, man.
It's time for dongs to propagate throughout the National League and some American League ballparks at sporadic, inane times during the season...like Opening Day. Because that makes a fuck ton of sense.
Anyway, OPENING DAY!
You are so inherently likable.
Who'da thunk it, Stew? You made it to gheys getting hitched and the Cubs being legit World Series contenders for not just one year, but more than one year.
If I judged you all by your special ed political leanings, I'd have no internet friends now would I?
Quote from: SKO on April 05, 2016, 12:44:08 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 05, 2016, 12:28:24 PMQuote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 01:04:40 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 12:16:49 PMLikable? I am going to vote for Bernie Sanders. How do you like me now?Quote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 12:04:33 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 09:19:20 AMMaybe I should post this in the "I admit it" thread. I knew that the Cubs were opening with the Angels, so last night when I saw yesterday's box score I thought that was it. I wondered why the Cubs would go with their number 5 pitcher on opening day, but then I chalked it off to Maddon being some kind of genius with the lineup and that this experiment misfired. Give me a break, I am an octogenarian nowQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 04, 2016, 08:41:04 AMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
The 2016 Cubs *Santo Voice* THIS. IS. THE. YEAAAAAARRRR
The 2016 Cubs: The Year We've All Been Waiting For
The 2016 Cubs: We Think You Made It, Stew
I like the third one, but without the comma.
I actually agree with Chuck, except I think the comma should stand, man.
It's time for dongs to propagate throughout the National League and some American League ballparks at sporadic, inane times during the season...like Opening Day. Because that makes a fuck ton of sense.
Anyway, OPENING DAY!
You are so inherently likable.
Who'da thunk it, Stew? You made it to gheys getting hitched and the Cubs being legit World Series contenders for not just one year, but more than one year.
If I judged you all by your special ed political leanings, I'd have no internet friends now would I?
Maybe don't throw stones when a large chunk of people who share your apparently "non" special ed political leanings are nominating a fascist oompa loompa.
Also maybe don't use special ed as an insult.
Quote from: CT III on April 05, 2016, 09:21:43 AMQuote from: Bort on April 05, 2016, 06:53:25 AMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 05:41:10 PMQuote from: flannj on April 04, 2016, 05:18:16 PMQuote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 01:04:40 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 12:16:49 PMLikable? I am going to vote for Bernie Sanders. How do you like me now?Quote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 12:04:33 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 09:19:20 AMMaybe I should post this in the "I admit it" thread. I knew that the Cubs were opening with the Angels, so last night when I saw yesterday's box score I thought that was it. I wondered why the Cubs would go with their number 5 pitcher on opening day, but then I chalked it off to Maddon being some kind of genius with the lineup and that this experiment misfired. Give me a break, I am an octogenarian nowQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 04, 2016, 08:41:04 AMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
The 2016 Cubs *Santo Voice* THIS. IS. THE. YEAAAAAARRRR
The 2016 Cubs: The Year We've All Been Waiting For
The 2016 Cubs: We Think You Made It, Stew
I like the third one, but without the comma.
I actually agree with Chuck, except I think the comma should stand, man.
It's time for dongs to propagate throughout the National League and some American League ballparks at sporadic, inane times during the season...like Opening Day. Because that makes a fuck ton of sense.
Anyway, OPENING DAY!
You are so inherently likable.
Who'da thunk it, Stew? You made it to gheys getting hitched and the Cubs being legit World Series contenders for not just one year, but more than one year.
I think we already kinda knew that Stew. I suppose we'll still put up with you.
I thought he was Bernie Sanders
Bernie WISHES he had Stew's glorious head of hair.
I wish I had Stew's glorious head of hair.
Quote from: Bort on April 05, 2016, 02:09:15 PMQuote from: CT III on April 05, 2016, 09:21:43 AMQuote from: Bort on April 05, 2016, 06:53:25 AMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 05:41:10 PMQuote from: flannj on April 04, 2016, 05:18:16 PMQuote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 01:04:40 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 12:16:49 PMLikable? I am going to vote for Bernie Sanders. How do you like me now?Quote from: CBStew on April 04, 2016, 12:04:33 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 09:19:20 AMMaybe I should post this in the "I admit it" thread. I knew that the Cubs were opening with the Angels, so last night when I saw yesterday's box score I thought that was it. I wondered why the Cubs would go with their number 5 pitcher on opening day, but then I chalked it off to Maddon being some kind of genius with the lineup and that this experiment misfired. Give me a break, I am an octogenarian nowQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 04, 2016, 08:41:04 AMQuote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
The 2016 Cubs *Santo Voice* THIS. IS. THE. YEAAAAAARRRR
The 2016 Cubs: The Year We've All Been Waiting For
The 2016 Cubs: We Think You Made It, Stew
I like the third one, but without the comma.
I actually agree with Chuck, except I think the comma should stand, man.
It's time for dongs to propagate throughout the National League and some American League ballparks at sporadic, inane times during the season...like Opening Day. Because that makes a fuck ton of sense.
Anyway, OPENING DAY!
You are so inherently likable.
Who'da thunk it, Stew? You made it to gheys getting hitched and the Cubs being legit World Series contenders for not just one year, but more than one year.
I think we already kinda knew that Stew. I suppose we'll still put up with you.
I thought he was Bernie Sanders
Bernie WISHES he had Stew's glorious head of hair.
I wish I had Stew's glorious head of hair.
Yeah, come to think of it, I probably shouldn't throw stones.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
Tonight I learned that Angels fans are extremely butthurt about how close Rizzo stands to the plate. Another guy in our section was getting incensed at all the ball calls Cubs batters were getting on pitches right down the middle -- that had clearly bounced in the dirt. All the T-Mobile phone charging stations that were not plugged in and were nowhere near outlets were also very helpful.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
Tonight I learned that Angels fans are extremely butthurt about how close Rizzo stands to the plate. Another guy in our section was getting incensed at all the ball calls Cubs batters were getting on pitches right down the middle -- that had clearly bounced in the dirt. All the T-Mobile phone charging stations that were not plugged in and were nowhere near outlets were also very helpful.
Quote from: Tonker on April 06, 2016, 07:34:48 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
Tonight I learned that Angels fans are extremely butthurt about how close Rizzo stands to the plate. Another guy in our section was getting incensed at all the ball calls Cubs batters were getting on pitches right down the middle -- that had clearly bounced in the dirt. All the T-Mobile phone charging stations that were not plugged in and were nowhere near outlets were also very helpful.
I have to admit, if Matt Holliday (say) stood as close to the plate as Tony Ballgame does, it would bug the shit out of me. Seeing as it's Tony, though, it just makes me love him more.
Quote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 07:39:07 AMQuote from: Tonker on April 06, 2016, 07:34:48 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
Tonight I learned that Angels fans are extremely butthurt about how close Rizzo stands to the plate. Another guy in our section was getting incensed at all the ball calls Cubs batters were getting on pitches right down the middle -- that had clearly bounced in the dirt. All the T-Mobile phone charging stations that were not plugged in and were nowhere near outlets were also very helpful.
I have to admit, if Matt Holliday (say) stood as close to the plate as Tony Ballgame does, it would bug the shit out of me. Seeing as it's Tony, though, it just makes me love him more.
It wouldn't bother me. It's not like he doesn't pay for it getting plunked 30 times a year. As long as it's legal and he (and we all should prep for this as well) accepts the fact that at some point he may take one off his dome or break an arm doing it, I have no beef with whoever stands that close.
Quote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 07:39:07 AMQuote from: Tonker on April 06, 2016, 07:34:48 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
Tonight I learned that Angels fans are extremely butthurt about how close Rizzo stands to the plate. Another guy in our section was getting incensed at all the ball calls Cubs batters were getting on pitches right down the middle -- that had clearly bounced in the dirt. All the T-Mobile phone charging stations that were not plugged in and were nowhere near outlets were also very helpful.
I have to admit, if Matt Holliday (say) stood as close to the plate as Tony Ballgame does, it would bug the shit out of me. Seeing as it's Tony, though, it just makes me love him more.
It wouldn't bother me. It's not like he doesn't pay for it getting plunked 30 times a year. As long as it's legal and he (and we all should prep for this as well) accepts the fact that at some point he may take one off his dome or break an arm doing it, I have no beef with whoever stands that close.
Quote from: Yeti on April 06, 2016, 09:05:49 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 07:39:07 AMQuote from: Tonker on April 06, 2016, 07:34:48 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
Tonight I learned that Angels fans are extremely butthurt about how close Rizzo stands to the plate. Another guy in our section was getting incensed at all the ball calls Cubs batters were getting on pitches right down the middle -- that had clearly bounced in the dirt. All the T-Mobile phone charging stations that were not plugged in and were nowhere near outlets were also very helpful.
I have to admit, if Matt Holliday (say) stood as close to the plate as Tony Ballgame does, it would bug the shit out of me. Seeing as it's Tony, though, it just makes me love him more.
It wouldn't bother me. It's not like he doesn't pay for it getting plunked 30 times a year. As long as it's legal and he (and we all should prep for this as well) accepts the fact that at some point he may take one off his dome or break an arm doing it, I have no beef with whoever stands that close.
Where were you with Fernando Vina as a Cardinal? Because irregardless of the accuracy in this statement, I recall him jumping in front of the plate to get hit all the time. Also, he usually ran about 5 feet up when hitting some slap single
Quote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 09:10:07 AMQuote from: Yeti on April 06, 2016, 09:05:49 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 07:39:07 AMQuote from: Tonker on April 06, 2016, 07:34:48 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
Tonight I learned that Angels fans are extremely butthurt about how close Rizzo stands to the plate. Another guy in our section was getting incensed at all the ball calls Cubs batters were getting on pitches right down the middle -- that had clearly bounced in the dirt. All the T-Mobile phone charging stations that were not plugged in and were nowhere near outlets were also very helpful.
I have to admit, if Matt Holliday (say) stood as close to the plate as Tony Ballgame does, it would bug the shit out of me. Seeing as it's Tony, though, it just makes me love him more.
It wouldn't bother me. It's not like he doesn't pay for it getting plunked 30 times a year. As long as it's legal and he (and we all should prep for this as well) accepts the fact that at some point he may take one off his dome or break an arm doing it, I have no beef with whoever stands that close.
Where were you with Fernando Vina as a Cardinal? Because irregardless of the accuracy in this statement, I recall him jumping in front of the plate to get hit all the time. Also, he usually ran about 5 feet up when hitting some slap single
I fucking hated him, but that had nothing to do with it. If it's legal, I don't have a beef with it. I don't like the way Carter Capps had that fucked up delivery, but that's because I think it actually IS illegal and they just don't call him on it. Fortunately God took away his elbow ligaments as punishment when the umps wouldn't do it.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 06, 2016, 09:20:35 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 09:10:07 AMQuote from: Yeti on April 06, 2016, 09:05:49 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 07:39:07 AMQuote from: Tonker on April 06, 2016, 07:34:48 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
Tonight I learned that Angels fans are extremely butthurt about how close Rizzo stands to the plate. Another guy in our section was getting incensed at all the ball calls Cubs batters were getting on pitches right down the middle -- that had clearly bounced in the dirt. All the T-Mobile phone charging stations that were not plugged in and were nowhere near outlets were also very helpful.
I have to admit, if Matt Holliday (say) stood as close to the plate as Tony Ballgame does, it would bug the shit out of me. Seeing as it's Tony, though, it just makes me love him more.
It wouldn't bother me. It's not like he doesn't pay for it getting plunked 30 times a year. As long as it's legal and he (and we all should prep for this as well) accepts the fact that at some point he may take one off his dome or break an arm doing it, I have no beef with whoever stands that close.
Where were you with Fernando Vina as a Cardinal? Because irregardless of the accuracy in this statement, I recall him jumping in front of the plate to get hit all the time. Also, he usually ran about 5 feet up when hitting some slap single
I fucking hated him, but that had nothing to do with it. If it's legal, I don't have a beef with it. I don't like the way Carter Capps had that fucked up delivery, but that's because I think it actually IS illegal and they just don't call him on it. Fortunately God took away his elbow ligaments as punishment when the umps wouldn't do it.
It bugged me when Bonds did it because he had that Darth Vader arm protector grandfathered in. Like the best of hitter of our generation who did more drugs than Tony Montana needed another advantage. Bonds was a weirdo and couldn't stand him. So wherever he stood and whatever he wore would have annoyed me. But that shit wasn't fair. What Rizzo is doing - or what Fernando Vina did, don't bother me. For some guys it's hard to hit an inside pitch when you're that close. If you can do what they're doing and still rake, well, damn.
Quote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 09:34:43 AMQuote from: InternetApex on April 06, 2016, 09:20:35 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 09:10:07 AMQuote from: Yeti on April 06, 2016, 09:05:49 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 07:39:07 AMQuote from: Tonker on April 06, 2016, 07:34:48 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
Tonight I learned that Angels fans are extremely butthurt about how close Rizzo stands to the plate. Another guy in our section was getting incensed at all the ball calls Cubs batters were getting on pitches right down the middle -- that had clearly bounced in the dirt. All the T-Mobile phone charging stations that were not plugged in and were nowhere near outlets were also very helpful.
I have to admit, if Matt Holliday (say) stood as close to the plate as Tony Ballgame does, it would bug the shit out of me. Seeing as it's Tony, though, it just makes me love him more.
It wouldn't bother me. It's not like he doesn't pay for it getting plunked 30 times a year. As long as it's legal and he (and we all should prep for this as well) accepts the fact that at some point he may take one off his dome or break an arm doing it, I have no beef with whoever stands that close.
Where were you with Fernando Vina as a Cardinal? Because irregardless of the accuracy in this statement, I recall him jumping in front of the plate to get hit all the time. Also, he usually ran about 5 feet up when hitting some slap single
I fucking hated him, but that had nothing to do with it. If it's legal, I don't have a beef with it. I don't like the way Carter Capps had that fucked up delivery, but that's because I think it actually IS illegal and they just don't call him on it. Fortunately God took away his elbow ligaments as punishment when the umps wouldn't do it.
It bugged me when Bonds did it because he had that Darth Vader arm protector grandfathered in. Like the best of hitter of our generation who did more drugs than Tony Montana needed another advantage. Bonds was a weirdo and couldn't stand him. So wherever he stood and whatever he wore would have annoyed me. But that shit wasn't fair. What Rizzo is doing - or what Fernando Vina did, don't bother me. For some guys it's hard to hit an inside pitch when you're that close. If you can do what they're doing and still rake, well, damn.
I seem to remember Sosa getting beaned in the head sometime in 03/04 and then moving a bit farther off the plate as a result and then he seemed to struggle more with getting to those outside pitches. It takes some guts to stay that close to the plate and deal with the potential consequences, so if a guy is willing to do it I won't bitch.
But yea the Bonds arm protector was bullshit.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 05, 2016, 07:49:31 PM
On the train for the game. If anyone's ever been to an Angels game and found good food, please share.
Quote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 09:34:43 AMQuote from: InternetApex on April 06, 2016, 09:20:35 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 09:10:07 AMQuote from: Yeti on April 06, 2016, 09:05:49 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 07:39:07 AMQuote from: Tonker on April 06, 2016, 07:34:48 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
Tonight I learned that Angels fans are extremely butthurt about how close Rizzo stands to the plate. Another guy in our section was getting incensed at all the ball calls Cubs batters were getting on pitches right down the middle -- that had clearly bounced in the dirt. All the T-Mobile phone charging stations that were not plugged in and were nowhere near outlets were also very helpful.
I have to admit, if Matt Holliday (say) stood as close to the plate as Tony Ballgame does, it would bug the shit out of me. Seeing as it's Tony, though, it just makes me love him more.
It wouldn't bother me. It's not like he doesn't pay for it getting plunked 30 times a year. As long as it's legal and he (and we all should prep for this as well) accepts the fact that at some point he may take one off his dome or break an arm doing it, I have no beef with whoever stands that close.
Where were you with Fernando Vina as a Cardinal? Because irregardless of the accuracy in this statement, I recall him jumping in front of the plate to get hit all the time. Also, he usually ran about 5 feet up when hitting some slap single
I fucking hated him, but that had nothing to do with it. If it's legal, I don't have a beef with it. I don't like the way Carter Capps had that fucked up delivery, but that's because I think it actually IS illegal and they just don't call him on it. Fortunately God took away his elbow ligaments as punishment when the umps wouldn't do it.
It bugged me when Bonds did it because he had that Darth Vader arm protector grandfathered in. Like the best of hitter of our generation who did more drugs than Tony Montana needed another advantage. Bonds was a weirdo and couldn't stand him. So wherever he stood and whatever he wore would have annoyed me. But that shit wasn't fair. What Rizzo is doing - or what Fernando Vina did, don't bother me. For some guys it's hard to hit an inside pitch when you're that close. If you can do what they're doing and still rake, well, damn.
I seem to remember Sosa getting beaned in the head sometime in 03/04 and then moving a bit farther off the plate as a result and then he seemed to struggle more with getting to those outside pitches. It takes some guts to stay that close to the plate and deal with the potential consequences, so if a guy is willing to do it I won't bitch.
But yea the Bonds arm protector was bullshit.
Quote from: Slaky on April 06, 2016, 09:35:05 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 09:34:43 AMQuote from: InternetApex on April 06, 2016, 09:20:35 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 09:10:07 AMQuote from: Yeti on April 06, 2016, 09:05:49 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 07:39:07 AMQuote from: Tonker on April 06, 2016, 07:34:48 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
Tonight I learned that Angels fans are extremely butthurt about how close Rizzo stands to the plate. Another guy in our section was getting incensed at all the ball calls Cubs batters were getting on pitches right down the middle -- that had clearly bounced in the dirt. All the T-Mobile phone charging stations that were not plugged in and were nowhere near outlets were also very helpful.
I have to admit, if Matt Holliday (say) stood as close to the plate as Tony Ballgame does, it would bug the shit out of me. Seeing as it's Tony, though, it just makes me love him more.
It wouldn't bother me. It's not like he doesn't pay for it getting plunked 30 times a year. As long as it's legal and he (and we all should prep for this as well) accepts the fact that at some point he may take one off his dome or break an arm doing it, I have no beef with whoever stands that close.
Where were you with Fernando Vina as a Cardinal? Because irregardless of the accuracy in this statement, I recall him jumping in front of the plate to get hit all the time. Also, he usually ran about 5 feet up when hitting some slap single
I fucking hated him, but that had nothing to do with it. If it's legal, I don't have a beef with it. I don't like the way Carter Capps had that fucked up delivery, but that's because I think it actually IS illegal and they just don't call him on it. Fortunately God took away his elbow ligaments as punishment when the umps wouldn't do it.
It bugged me when Bonds did it because he had that Darth Vader arm protector grandfathered in. Like the best of hitter of our generation who did more drugs than Tony Montana needed another advantage. Bonds was a weirdo and couldn't stand him. So wherever he stood and whatever he wore would have annoyed me. But that shit wasn't fair. What Rizzo is doing - or what Fernando Vina did, don't bother me. For some guys it's hard to hit an inside pitch when you're that close. If you can do what they're doing and still rake, well, damn.
I seem to remember Sosa getting beaned in the head sometime in 03/04 and then moving a bit farther off the plate as a result and then he seemed to struggle more with getting to those outside pitches. It takes some guts to stay that close to the plate and deal with the potential consequences, so if a guy is willing to do it I won't bitch.
But yea the Bonds arm protector was bullshit.
Craig. Biggio.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 06, 2016, 09:55:03 AMQuote from: Slaky on April 06, 2016, 09:35:05 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 09:34:43 AMQuote from: InternetApex on April 06, 2016, 09:20:35 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 09:10:07 AMQuote from: Yeti on April 06, 2016, 09:05:49 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 07:39:07 AMQuote from: Tonker on April 06, 2016, 07:34:48 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
Tonight I learned that Angels fans are extremely butthurt about how close Rizzo stands to the plate. Another guy in our section was getting incensed at all the ball calls Cubs batters were getting on pitches right down the middle -- that had clearly bounced in the dirt. All the T-Mobile phone charging stations that were not plugged in and were nowhere near outlets were also very helpful.
I have to admit, if Matt Holliday (say) stood as close to the plate as Tony Ballgame does, it would bug the shit out of me. Seeing as it's Tony, though, it just makes me love him more.
It wouldn't bother me. It's not like he doesn't pay for it getting plunked 30 times a year. As long as it's legal and he (and we all should prep for this as well) accepts the fact that at some point he may take one off his dome or break an arm doing it, I have no beef with whoever stands that close.
Where were you with Fernando Vina as a Cardinal? Because irregardless of the accuracy in this statement, I recall him jumping in front of the plate to get hit all the time. Also, he usually ran about 5 feet up when hitting some slap single
I fucking hated him, but that had nothing to do with it. If it's legal, I don't have a beef with it. I don't like the way Carter Capps had that fucked up delivery, but that's because I think it actually IS illegal and they just don't call him on it. Fortunately God took away his elbow ligaments as punishment when the umps wouldn't do it.
It bugged me when Bonds did it because he had that Darth Vader arm protector grandfathered in. Like the best of hitter of our generation who did more drugs than Tony Montana needed another advantage. Bonds was a weirdo and couldn't stand him. So wherever he stood and whatever he wore would have annoyed me. But that shit wasn't fair. What Rizzo is doing - or what Fernando Vina did, don't bother me. For some guys it's hard to hit an inside pitch when you're that close. If you can do what they're doing and still rake, well, damn.
I seem to remember Sosa getting beaned in the head sometime in 03/04 and then moving a bit farther off the plate as a result and then he seemed to struggle more with getting to those outside pitches. It takes some guts to stay that close to the plate and deal with the potential consequences, so if a guy is willing to do it I won't bitch.
But yea the Bonds arm protector was bullshit.
Craig. Biggio.
Fuck Fernando fucking Vina.
Quote from: Oleg on April 06, 2016, 09:56:23 AMQuote from: PenFoe on April 06, 2016, 09:55:03 AMQuote from: Slaky on April 06, 2016, 09:35:05 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 09:34:43 AMQuote from: InternetApex on April 06, 2016, 09:20:35 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 09:10:07 AMQuote from: Yeti on April 06, 2016, 09:05:49 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 07:39:07 AMQuote from: Tonker on April 06, 2016, 07:34:48 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
Tonight I learned that Angels fans are extremely butthurt about how close Rizzo stands to the plate. Another guy in our section was getting incensed at all the ball calls Cubs batters were getting on pitches right down the middle -- that had clearly bounced in the dirt. All the T-Mobile phone charging stations that were not plugged in and were nowhere near outlets were also very helpful.
I have to admit, if Matt Holliday (say) stood as close to the plate as Tony Ballgame does, it would bug the shit out of me. Seeing as it's Tony, though, it just makes me love him more.
It wouldn't bother me. It's not like he doesn't pay for it getting plunked 30 times a year. As long as it's legal and he (and we all should prep for this as well) accepts the fact that at some point he may take one off his dome or break an arm doing it, I have no beef with whoever stands that close.
Where were you with Fernando Vina as a Cardinal? Because irregardless of the accuracy in this statement, I recall him jumping in front of the plate to get hit all the time. Also, he usually ran about 5 feet up when hitting some slap single
I fucking hated him, but that had nothing to do with it. If it's legal, I don't have a beef with it. I don't like the way Carter Capps had that fucked up delivery, but that's because I think it actually IS illegal and they just don't call him on it. Fortunately God took away his elbow ligaments as punishment when the umps wouldn't do it.
It bugged me when Bonds did it because he had that Darth Vader arm protector grandfathered in. Like the best of hitter of our generation who did more drugs than Tony Montana needed another advantage. Bonds was a weirdo and couldn't stand him. So wherever he stood and whatever he wore would have annoyed me. But that shit wasn't fair. What Rizzo is doing - or what Fernando Vina did, don't bother me. For some guys it's hard to hit an inside pitch when you're that close. If you can do what they're doing and still rake, well, damn.
I seem to remember Sosa getting beaned in the head sometime in 03/04 and then moving a bit farther off the plate as a result and then he seemed to struggle more with getting to those outside pitches. It takes some guts to stay that close to the plate and deal with the potential consequences, so if a guy is willing to do it I won't bitch.
But yea the Bonds arm protector was bullshit.
Craig. Biggio.
Fuck Fernando fucking Vina.
Didn't Wood once strike him out on a curve ball that ended up hitting him in the ribs?
Quote from: Yeti on April 06, 2016, 09:05:49 AMirregardless
Quote from: Oleg on April 06, 2016, 09:38:37 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 05, 2016, 07:49:31 PM
On the train for the game. If anyone's ever been to an Angels game and found good food, please share.
Damnit, you were at the game? On Monday after the game, a drunk Oleg walked out and decided to get one of the street hot dogs wrapped in bacon from the street vendors. The next morning, my anus, stomach, and intestines begun revolting against the rest of my body and a hungover me couldn't do shit to stop them. I was in a fetal position for a good 3 hours. Lesson learned.
Yesterday, I had a not-so-bad beef brisket sandwich somewhere outside section 235 or so.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 10:58:07 AMQuote from: Oleg on April 06, 2016, 09:38:37 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 05, 2016, 07:49:31 PM
On the train for the game. If anyone's ever been to an Angels game and found good food, please share.
Damnit, you were at the game? On Monday after the game, a drunk Oleg walked out and decided to get one of the street hot dogs wrapped in bacon from the street vendors. The next morning, my anus, stomach, and intestines begun revolting against the rest of my body and a hungover me couldn't do shit to stop them. I was in a fetal position for a good 3 hours. Lesson learned.
Yesterday, I had a not-so-bad beef brisket sandwich somewhere outside section 235 or so.
I ended up having a Philly cheesesteak that was really good (for ballpark food, mostly because it was cooked fresh) and nachos served in a helmet. What a country.
Quote from: Oleg on April 06, 2016, 09:56:23 AMQuote from: PenFoe on April 06, 2016, 09:55:03 AMQuote from: Slaky on April 06, 2016, 09:35:05 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 09:34:43 AMQuote from: InternetApex on April 06, 2016, 09:20:35 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 09:10:07 AMQuote from: Yeti on April 06, 2016, 09:05:49 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 07:39:07 AMQuote from: Tonker on April 06, 2016, 07:34:48 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
Tonight I learned that Angels fans are extremely butthurt about how close Rizzo stands to the plate. Another guy in our section was getting incensed at all the ball calls Cubs batters were getting on pitches right down the middle -- that had clearly bounced in the dirt. All the T-Mobile phone charging stations that were not plugged in and were nowhere near outlets were also very helpful.
I have to admit, if Matt Holliday (say) stood as close to the plate as Tony Ballgame does, it would bug the shit out of me. Seeing as it's Tony, though, it just makes me love him more.
It wouldn't bother me. It's not like he doesn't pay for it getting plunked 30 times a year. As long as it's legal and he (and we all should prep for this as well) accepts the fact that at some point he may take one off his dome or break an arm doing it, I have no beef with whoever stands that close.
Where were you with Fernando Vina as a Cardinal? Because irregardless of the accuracy in this statement, I recall him jumping in front of the plate to get hit all the time. Also, he usually ran about 5 feet up when hitting some slap single
I fucking hated him, but that had nothing to do with it. If it's legal, I don't have a beef with it. I don't like the way Carter Capps had that fucked up delivery, but that's because I think it actually IS illegal and they just don't call him on it. Fortunately God took away his elbow ligaments as punishment when the umps wouldn't do it.
It bugged me when Bonds did it because he had that Darth Vader arm protector grandfathered in. Like the best of hitter of our generation who did more drugs than Tony Montana needed another advantage. Bonds was a weirdo and couldn't stand him. So wherever he stood and whatever he wore would have annoyed me. But that shit wasn't fair. What Rizzo is doing - or what Fernando Vina did, don't bother me. For some guys it's hard to hit an inside pitch when you're that close. If you can do what they're doing and still rake, well, damn.
I seem to remember Sosa getting beaned in the head sometime in 03/04 and then moving a bit farther off the plate as a result and then he seemed to struggle more with getting to those outside pitches. It takes some guts to stay that close to the plate and deal with the potential consequences, so if a guy is willing to do it I won't bitch.
But yea the Bonds arm protector was bullshit.
Craig. Biggio.
Fuck Fernando fucking Vina.
Didn't Wood once strike him out on a curve ball that ended up hitting him in the ribs?
Quote from: Oleg on April 06, 2016, 09:38:37 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 05, 2016, 07:49:31 PM
On the train for the game. If anyone's ever been to an Angels game and found good food, please share.
Damnit, you were at the game? On Monday after the game, a drunk Oleg walked out and decided to get one of the street hot dogs wrapped in bacon from the street vendors. The next morning, my anus, stomach, and intestines begun revolting against the rest of my body and a hungover me couldn't do shit to stop them. I was in a fetal position for a good 3 hours. Lesson learned.
Yesterday, I had a not-so-bad beef brisket sandwich somewhere outside section 235 or so.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 01:44:53 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 06, 2016, 09:38:37 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 05, 2016, 07:49:31 PM
On the train for the game. If anyone's ever been to an Angels game and found good food, please share.
Damnit, you were at the game? On Monday after the game, a drunk Oleg walked out and decided to get one of the street hot dogs wrapped in bacon from the street vendors. The next morning, my anus, stomach, and intestines begun revolting against the rest of my body and a hungover me couldn't do shit to stop them. I was in a fetal position for a good 3 hours. Lesson learned.
Yesterday, I had a not-so-bad beef brisket sandwich somewhere outside section 235 or so.
You weren't on the 400/500 level after the game standing by the railing drinking a beer and facing everyone walking were you?
Quote from: InternetApex on April 06, 2016, 10:14:07 AMQuote from: Oleg on April 06, 2016, 09:56:23 AMQuote from: PenFoe on April 06, 2016, 09:55:03 AMQuote from: Slaky on April 06, 2016, 09:35:05 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 09:34:43 AMQuote from: InternetApex on April 06, 2016, 09:20:35 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 09:10:07 AMQuote from: Yeti on April 06, 2016, 09:05:49 AMQuote from: SKO on April 06, 2016, 07:39:07 AMQuote from: Tonker on April 06, 2016, 07:34:48 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
Tonight I learned that Angels fans are extremely butthurt about how close Rizzo stands to the plate. Another guy in our section was getting incensed at all the ball calls Cubs batters were getting on pitches right down the middle -- that had clearly bounced in the dirt. All the T-Mobile phone charging stations that were not plugged in and were nowhere near outlets were also very helpful.
I have to admit, if Matt Holliday (say) stood as close to the plate as Tony Ballgame does, it would bug the shit out of me. Seeing as it's Tony, though, it just makes me love him more.
It wouldn't bother me. It's not like he doesn't pay for it getting plunked 30 times a year. As long as it's legal and he (and we all should prep for this as well) accepts the fact that at some point he may take one off his dome or break an arm doing it, I have no beef with whoever stands that close.
Where were you with Fernando Vina as a Cardinal? Because irregardless of the accuracy in this statement, I recall him jumping in front of the plate to get hit all the time. Also, he usually ran about 5 feet up when hitting some slap single
I fucking hated him, but that had nothing to do with it. If it's legal, I don't have a beef with it. I don't like the way Carter Capps had that fucked up delivery, but that's because I think it actually IS illegal and they just don't call him on it. Fortunately God took away his elbow ligaments as punishment when the umps wouldn't do it.
It bugged me when Bonds did it because he had that Darth Vader arm protector grandfathered in. Like the best of hitter of our generation who did more drugs than Tony Montana needed another advantage. Bonds was a weirdo and couldn't stand him. So wherever he stood and whatever he wore would have annoyed me. But that shit wasn't fair. What Rizzo is doing - or what Fernando Vina did, don't bother me. For some guys it's hard to hit an inside pitch when you're that close. If you can do what they're doing and still rake, well, damn.
I seem to remember Sosa getting beaned in the head sometime in 03/04 and then moving a bit farther off the plate as a result and then he seemed to struggle more with getting to those outside pitches. It takes some guts to stay that close to the plate and deal with the potential consequences, so if a guy is willing to do it I won't bitch.
But yea the Bonds arm protector was bullshit.
Craig. Biggio.
Fuck Fernando fucking Vina.
Didn't Wood once strike him out on a curve ball that ended up hitting him in the ribs?
I hope so. I think I also remember Chip going apeshit about a defensive play Vina made to kill a rally. I remember hating Vina and Caray with equal venom for days afterward. They played the Caray call of that play on the national highlight shows instead of the Cardinals call. It was too much, man. It was too much. And I had forgotten all about that fucking communist until this morning. So thanks for that.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 06, 2016, 02:08:14 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 01:44:53 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 06, 2016, 09:38:37 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 05, 2016, 07:49:31 PM
On the train for the game. If anyone's ever been to an Angels game and found good food, please share.
Damnit, you were at the game? On Monday after the game, a drunk Oleg walked out and decided to get one of the street hot dogs wrapped in bacon from the street vendors. The next morning, my anus, stomach, and intestines begun revolting against the rest of my body and a hungover me couldn't do shit to stop them. I was in a fetal position for a good 3 hours. Lesson learned.
Yesterday, I had a not-so-bad beef brisket sandwich somewhere outside section 235 or so.
You weren't on the 400/500 level after the game standing by the railing drinking a beer and facing everyone walking were you?
If it was a swarthy leprechaun next to a dude who looked like a Greek Abe Lincoln, it was him.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 03:40:23 PMQuote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 06, 2016, 02:08:14 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 01:44:53 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 06, 2016, 09:38:37 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 05, 2016, 07:49:31 PM
On the train for the game. If anyone's ever been to an Angels game and found good food, please share.
Damnit, you were at the game? On Monday after the game, a drunk Oleg walked out and decided to get one of the street hot dogs wrapped in bacon from the street vendors. The next morning, my anus, stomach, and intestines begun revolting against the rest of my body and a hungover me couldn't do shit to stop them. I was in a fetal position for a good 3 hours. Lesson learned.
Yesterday, I had a not-so-bad beef brisket sandwich somewhere outside section 235 or so.
You weren't on the 400/500 level after the game standing by the railing drinking a beer and facing everyone walking were you?
If it was a swarthy leprechaun next to a dude who looked like a Greek Abe Lincoln, it was him.
Didn't notice Abe Lincolnopolous, but I might've seen Oleg.
Quote from: Oleg on April 06, 2016, 11:43:53 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 03:40:23 PMQuote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 06, 2016, 02:08:14 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 01:44:53 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 06, 2016, 09:38:37 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 05, 2016, 07:49:31 PM
On the train for the game. If anyone's ever been to an Angels game and found good food, please share.
Damnit, you were at the game? On Monday after the game, a drunk Oleg walked out and decided to get one of the street hot dogs wrapped in bacon from the street vendors. The next morning, my anus, stomach, and intestines begun revolting against the rest of my body and a hungover me couldn't do shit to stop them. I was in a fetal position for a good 3 hours. Lesson learned.
Yesterday, I had a not-so-bad beef brisket sandwich somewhere outside section 235 or so.
You weren't on the 400/500 level after the game standing by the railing drinking a beer and facing everyone walking were you?
If it was a swarthy leprechaun next to a dude who looked like a Greek Abe Lincoln, it was him.
Didn't notice Abe Lincolnopolous, but I might've seen Oleg.
Nope. I was near the right field pole. We left right after the final out.
Quote from: Tonker on April 07, 2016, 01:51:13 AMQuote from: Oleg on April 06, 2016, 11:43:53 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 03:40:23 PMQuote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 06, 2016, 02:08:14 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 01:44:53 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 06, 2016, 09:38:37 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 05, 2016, 07:49:31 PM
On the train for the game. If anyone's ever been to an Angels game and found good food, please share.
Damnit, you were at the game? On Monday after the game, a drunk Oleg walked out and decided to get one of the street hot dogs wrapped in bacon from the street vendors. The next morning, my anus, stomach, and intestines begun revolting against the rest of my body and a hungover me couldn't do shit to stop them. I was in a fetal position for a good 3 hours. Lesson learned.
Yesterday, I had a not-so-bad beef brisket sandwich somewhere outside section 235 or so.
You weren't on the 400/500 level after the game standing by the railing drinking a beer and facing everyone walking were you?
If it was a swarthy leprechaun next to a dude who looked like a Greek Abe Lincoln, it was him.
Didn't notice Abe Lincolnopolous, but I might've seen Oleg.
Nope. I was near the right field pole. We left right after the final out.
Wait... is he Greek, or Polish, now? PICK A LANE.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 07, 2016, 11:17:45 AM
Well now I wanna know who the five-foot tall Cubs jersey-wearing gentleman I saw who looked very drunk and very high was.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 07, 2016, 11:25:03 AMIf it was me the description would have included the word "elderly".Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 07, 2016, 11:17:45 AM
Well now I wanna know who the five-foot tall Cubs jersey-wearing gentleman I saw who looked very drunk and very high was.
Stew in platform shoes.
Quote from: mightymikeD on April 08, 2016, 05:04:57 AM
Appears to be less doom and gloom about Schwarber this morning... hopefully a sprained ankle is the worst of it and there's no ligament damage.
Quote from: SKO on April 08, 2016, 07:22:40 AM
This offense, even without Schwarber, is unbelievably bonerworthy.
Quote from: mightymikeD on April 08, 2016, 05:04:57 AM
Appears to be less doom and gloom about Schwarber this morning... hopefully a sprained ankle is the worst of it and there's no ligament damage.
Quote from: Yeti on April 08, 2016, 06:30:08 AMQuote from: mightymikeD on April 08, 2016, 05:04:57 AM
Appears to be less doom and gloom about Schwarber this morning... hopefully a sprained ankle is the worst of it and there's no ligament damage.
Shut up, Paul. You're a douche
Quote from: Oleg on April 08, 2016, 08:17:14 AMQuote from: Yeti on April 08, 2016, 06:30:08 AMQuote from: mightymikeD on April 08, 2016, 05:04:57 AM
Appears to be less doom and gloom about Schwarber this morning... hopefully a sprained ankle is the worst of it and there's no ligament damage.
Shut up, Paul. You're a douche
New member?!?!?! What the fuck is this shit? MODS!!!!!!
Quote from: SKO on April 08, 2016, 08:19:29 AM
Now that we have a "mighty" Mike D, do we get rid of the decidedly non-mighty one we already had?
Quote from: SKO on April 08, 2016, 08:19:29 AM
Now that we have a "mighty" Mike D, do we get rid of the decidedly non-mighty one we already had?
Quote from: PANK! on April 08, 2016, 11:16:17 AMQuote from: SKO on April 08, 2016, 08:19:29 AM
Now that we have a "mighty" Mike D, do we get rid of the decidedly non-mighty one we already had?
*gasps*
Quote from: Canadouche on April 08, 2016, 11:18:34 AMQuote from: PANK! on April 08, 2016, 11:16:17 AMQuote from: SKO on April 08, 2016, 08:19:29 AM
Now that we have a "mighty" Mike D, do we get rid of the decidedly non-mighty one we already had?
*gasps*
I just assumed Huey created a sock-puppet account in order to create an illusion of support.
Quote from: PANK! on April 08, 2016, 11:30:58 AMQuote from: Canadouche on April 08, 2016, 11:18:34 AMQuote from: PANK! on April 08, 2016, 11:16:17 AMQuote from: SKO on April 08, 2016, 08:19:29 AM
Now that we have a "mighty" Mike D, do we get rid of the decidedly non-mighty one we already had?
*gasps*
I just assumed Huey created a sock-puppet account in order to create an illusion of support.
Who do you think I am, CT? I'm not made of Internet characters!
Quote from: Bort on April 08, 2016, 01:13:58 PMQuote from: PANK! on April 08, 2016, 11:30:58 AMQuote from: Canadouche on April 08, 2016, 11:18:34 AMQuote from: PANK! on April 08, 2016, 11:16:17 AMQuote from: SKO on April 08, 2016, 08:19:29 AM
Now that we have a "mighty" Mike D, do we get rid of the decidedly non-mighty one we already had?
*gasps*
I just assumed Huey created a sock-puppet account in order to create an illusion of support.
Who do you think I am, CT? I'm not made of Internet characters!
Plus, how is he getting 11 characters into a username without PANKing?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 08, 2016, 11:39:11 PM
So much for 162-0.
Quote from: SKO on April 11, 2016, 11:44:09 AM
As a team they're hitting .282/.379/.468/.847. I expect some guys (Fowler/Montero/La Stella/Szczur) to slow down a bit, but Bryant/Soler/Russell/Heyward haven't even gotten going yet. God I love this team.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on April 11, 2016, 10:24:41 PM
Russell sure picked the right time to drop his 1st A-BOMB of the season. They get no-hit til 2 outs in the 7th and then score 5 in the last 2 frames to win it. THIS.FUCKING.TEAM!
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on April 12, 2016, 09:59:30 AM
No, I'm not from podunk Montana. Why do you ask?
Quote from: CT III on April 12, 2016, 10:24:09 AMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on April 12, 2016, 09:59:30 AM
No, I'm not from podunk Montana. Why do you ask?
Uh, no reason.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on April 12, 2016, 12:32:39 PM
I'm very disappointed in you CT. You never seem to let up on anyone and this time you're just going to stop at "Uh, no reason"? Should we expect an incoming planetary shift?
Quote from: PenFoe on April 12, 2016, 03:41:10 PM
Fun with small sample size stats:
Cubs Batters Cubs Pitchers (allowed)
Walks 38 9
OBP .372 .247
OPS .802 .605
AVG. .263 .212
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 12, 2016, 03:45:38 PMQuote from: PenFoe on April 12, 2016, 03:41:10 PM
Fun with small sample size stats:
Cubs Batters Cubs Pitchers (allowed)
Walks 38 9
OBP .372 .247
OPS .802 .605
AVG. .263 .212
Them walks though.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 12, 2016, 03:41:10 PM
Fun with small sample size stats:
Cubs Batters Cubs Pitchers (allowed)
Walks 38 9
OBP .372 .247
OPS .802 .605
AVG. .263 .212
Quote from: Tonker on April 13, 2016, 01:24:42 AMQuote from: PenFoe on April 12, 2016, 03:41:10 PM
Fun with small sample size stats:
Cubs Batters Cubs Pitchers (allowed)
Walks 38 9
OBP .372 .247
OPS .802 .605
AVG. .263 .212
I know it's a small sample size, but I think what we're seeing here is a reflection of just how fucking relentless the Cubs' lineup is. As an opposing pitcher, you're probably seeing a walk as one of the less awful things that can happen to you.
Quote from: R-V on April 13, 2016, 08:56:36 AM
I'd like to dedicate this inspirational article (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/bob-nightengale/2016/04/12/mlb-cubs-teammates-seek-title-veteran-catcher-david-ross/82966058/) to my man SKO.
QuoteCHICAGO -- He's racing Go-Karts one night, and watching Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant play the next.
He's playing golf with stock car driver Michael Waltrip one morning, listening to country singer Brett Eldredge at night, and trying to learn to play the guitar in the spare time.
He wants to see Ground Zero in New York this summer. Check out the monuments in Washington D.C. Take a boat ride on Lake Michigan. And a tour of Alcatraz when he's in San Francisco.
It has been 15 years since he broke into the major leagues, and now that this is his final season, Chicago Cubs catcher David Ross wants to do everything he's missed over the years.
Quote from: Eli on April 13, 2016, 09:27:08 AMQuote from: R-V on April 13, 2016, 08:56:36 AM
I'd like to dedicate this inspirational article (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/bob-nightengale/2016/04/12/mlb-cubs-teammates-seek-title-veteran-catcher-david-ross/82966058/) to my man SKO.QuoteCHICAGO -- He's racing Go-Karts one night, and watching Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant play the next.
He's playing golf with stock car driver Michael Waltrip one morning, listening to country singer Brett Eldredge at night, and trying to learn to play the guitar in the spare time.
He wants to see Ground Zero in New York this summer. Check out the monuments in Washington D.C. Take a boat ride on Lake Michigan. And a tour of Alcatraz when he's in San Francisco.
It has been 15 years since he broke into the major leagues, and now that this is his final season, Chicago Cubs catcher David Ross wants to do everything he's missed over the years.
Isn't his impending retirement going to be a great chance to do all of those things?
Quote from: Eli on April 13, 2016, 09:27:08 AMQuote from: R-V on April 13, 2016, 08:56:36 AM
I'd like to dedicate this inspirational article (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/bob-nightengale/2016/04/12/mlb-cubs-teammates-seek-title-veteran-catcher-david-ross/82966058/) to my man SKO.QuoteCHICAGO -- He's racing Go-Karts one night, and watching Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant play the next.
He's playing golf with stock car driver Michael Waltrip one morning, listening to country singer Brett Eldredge at night, and trying to learn to play the guitar in the spare time.
He wants to see Ground Zero in New York this summer. Check out the monuments in Washington D.C. Take a boat ride on Lake Michigan. And a tour of Alcatraz when he's in San Francisco.
It has been 15 years since he broke into the major leagues, and now that this is his final season, Chicago Cubs catcher David Ross wants to do everything he's missed over the years.
Isn't his impending retirement going to be a great chance to do all of those things?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 13, 2016, 09:59:23 AMQuote from: Eli on April 13, 2016, 09:27:08 AMQuote from: R-V on April 13, 2016, 08:56:36 AM
I'd like to dedicate this inspirational article (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/bob-nightengale/2016/04/12/mlb-cubs-teammates-seek-title-veteran-catcher-david-ross/82966058/) to my man SKO.QuoteCHICAGO -- He's racing Go-Karts one night, and watching Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant play the next.
He's playing golf with stock car driver Michael Waltrip one morning, listening to country singer Brett Eldredge at night, and trying to learn to play the guitar in the spare time.
He wants to see Ground Zero in New York this summer. Check out the monuments in Washington D.C. Take a boat ride on Lake Michigan. And a tour of Alcatraz when he's in San Francisco.
It has been 15 years since he broke into the major leagues, and now that this is his final season, Chicago Cubs catcher David Ross wants to do everything he's missed over the years.
Isn't his impending retirement going to be a great chance to do all of those things?
Not on the travel budget of someone else.
Quote from: Oleg on April 13, 2016, 10:06:29 AMQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 13, 2016, 09:59:23 AMQuote from: Eli on April 13, 2016, 09:27:08 AMQuote from: R-V on April 13, 2016, 08:56:36 AM
I'd like to dedicate this inspirational article (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/bob-nightengale/2016/04/12/mlb-cubs-teammates-seek-title-veteran-catcher-david-ross/82966058/) to my man SKO.QuoteCHICAGO -- He's racing Go-Karts one night, and watching Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant play the next.
He's playing golf with stock car driver Michael Waltrip one morning, listening to country singer Brett Eldredge at night, and trying to learn to play the guitar in the spare time.
He wants to see Ground Zero in New York this summer. Check out the monuments in Washington D.C. Take a boat ride on Lake Michigan. And a tour of Alcatraz when he's in San Francisco.
It has been 15 years since he broke into the major leagues, and now that this is his final season, Chicago Cubs catcher David Ross wants to do everything he's missed over the years.
Isn't his impending retirement going to be a great chance to do all of those things?
Not on the travel budget of someone else.
It looks like he's made $20MM in his career. I don't think that's a very big consideration for him.
Quote from: thehawk on April 13, 2016, 11:24:22 AMQuote from: Oleg on April 13, 2016, 10:06:29 AMQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 13, 2016, 09:59:23 AMQuote from: Eli on April 13, 2016, 09:27:08 AMQuote from: R-V on April 13, 2016, 08:56:36 AM
I'd like to dedicate this inspirational article (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/bob-nightengale/2016/04/12/mlb-cubs-teammates-seek-title-veteran-catcher-david-ross/82966058/) to my man SKO.QuoteCHICAGO -- He's racing Go-Karts one night, and watching Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant play the next.
He's playing golf with stock car driver Michael Waltrip one morning, listening to country singer Brett Eldredge at night, and trying to learn to play the guitar in the spare time.
He wants to see Ground Zero in New York this summer. Check out the monuments in Washington D.C. Take a boat ride on Lake Michigan. And a tour of Alcatraz when he's in San Francisco.
It has been 15 years since he broke into the major leagues, and now that this is his final season, Chicago Cubs catcher David Ross wants to do everything he's missed over the years.
Isn't his impending retirement going to be a great chance to do all of those things?
Not on the travel budget of someone else.
It looks like he's made $20MM in his career. I don't think that's a very big consideration for him.
He won't have the opportunity to do it as 'one of the guys'. It seems he just want to have a last chance to do it, and his teammates seem to be enjoying the chance to hang out with the old guy. So long as it doesn't become a R3SP3CT tour, sounds like the players are having fun. I like fun.
Quote from: Oleg on April 13, 2016, 10:06:29 AMQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 13, 2016, 09:59:23 AMQuote from: Eli on April 13, 2016, 09:27:08 AMQuote from: R-V on April 13, 2016, 08:56:36 AM
I'd like to dedicate this inspirational article (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/bob-nightengale/2016/04/12/mlb-cubs-teammates-seek-title-veteran-catcher-david-ross/82966058/) to my man SKO.QuoteCHICAGO -- He's racing Go-Karts one night, and watching Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant play the next.
He's playing golf with stock car driver Michael Waltrip one morning, listening to country singer Brett Eldredge at night, and trying to learn to play the guitar in the spare time.
He wants to see Ground Zero in New York this summer. Check out the monuments in Washington D.C. Take a boat ride on Lake Michigan. And a tour of Alcatraz when he's in San Francisco.
It has been 15 years since he broke into the major leagues, and now that this is his final season, Chicago Cubs catcher David Ross wants to do everything he's missed over the years.
Isn't his impending retirement going to be a great chance to do all of those things?
Not on the travel budget of someone else.
It looks like he's made $20MM in his career. I don't think that's a very big consideration for him.
Quote from: CT III on April 13, 2016, 11:26:04 AMQuote from: thehawk on April 13, 2016, 11:24:22 AMQuote from: Oleg on April 13, 2016, 10:06:29 AMQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 13, 2016, 09:59:23 AMQuote from: Eli on April 13, 2016, 09:27:08 AMQuote from: R-V on April 13, 2016, 08:56:36 AM
I'd like to dedicate this inspirational article (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/bob-nightengale/2016/04/12/mlb-cubs-teammates-seek-title-veteran-catcher-david-ross/82966058/) to my man SKO.QuoteCHICAGO -- He's racing Go-Karts one night, and watching Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant play the next.
He's playing golf with stock car driver Michael Waltrip one morning, listening to country singer Brett Eldredge at night, and trying to learn to play the guitar in the spare time.
He wants to see Ground Zero in New York this summer. Check out the monuments in Washington D.C. Take a boat ride on Lake Michigan. And a tour of Alcatraz when he's in San Francisco.
It has been 15 years since he broke into the major leagues, and now that this is his final season, Chicago Cubs catcher David Ross wants to do everything he's missed over the years.
Isn't his impending retirement going to be a great chance to do all of those things?
Not on the travel budget of someone else.
It looks like he's made $20MM in his career. I don't think that's a very big consideration for him.
He won't have the opportunity to do it as 'one of the guys'. It seems he just want to have a last chance to do it, and his teammates seem to be enjoying the chance to hang out with the old guy. So long as it doesn't become a R3SP3CT tour, sounds like the players are having fun. I like fun.
But is it the right kind of fun, hawk? I need a ruling here.
Quote from: thehawk on April 13, 2016, 01:24:03 PMQuote from: CT III on April 13, 2016, 11:26:04 AMQuote from: thehawk on April 13, 2016, 11:24:22 AMQuote from: Oleg on April 13, 2016, 10:06:29 AMQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 13, 2016, 09:59:23 AMQuote from: Eli on April 13, 2016, 09:27:08 AMQuote from: R-V on April 13, 2016, 08:56:36 AM
I'd like to dedicate this inspirational article (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/bob-nightengale/2016/04/12/mlb-cubs-teammates-seek-title-veteran-catcher-david-ross/82966058/) to my man SKO.QuoteCHICAGO -- He's racing Go-Karts one night, and watching Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant play the next.
He's playing golf with stock car driver Michael Waltrip one morning, listening to country singer Brett Eldredge at night, and trying to learn to play the guitar in the spare time.
He wants to see Ground Zero in New York this summer. Check out the monuments in Washington D.C. Take a boat ride on Lake Michigan. And a tour of Alcatraz when he's in San Francisco.
It has been 15 years since he broke into the major leagues, and now that this is his final season, Chicago Cubs catcher David Ross wants to do everything he's missed over the years.
Isn't his impending retirement going to be a great chance to do all of those things?
Not on the travel budget of someone else.
It looks like he's made $20MM in his career. I don't think that's a very big consideration for him.
He won't have the opportunity to do it as 'one of the guys'. It seems he just want to have a last chance to do it, and his teammates seem to be enjoying the chance to hang out with the old guy. So long as it doesn't become a R3SP3CT tour, sounds like the players are having fun. I like fun.
But is it the right kind of fun, hawk? I need a ruling here.
I think its a right kind of fun, and I thought you made the rulings
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 13, 2016, 12:36:31 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 13, 2016, 10:06:29 AMQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 13, 2016, 09:59:23 AMQuote from: Eli on April 13, 2016, 09:27:08 AMQuote from: R-V on April 13, 2016, 08:56:36 AM
I'd like to dedicate this inspirational article (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/bob-nightengale/2016/04/12/mlb-cubs-teammates-seek-title-veteran-catcher-david-ross/82966058/) to my man SKO.QuoteCHICAGO -- He's racing Go-Karts one night, and watching Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant play the next.
He's playing golf with stock car driver Michael Waltrip one morning, listening to country singer Brett Eldredge at night, and trying to learn to play the guitar in the spare time.
He wants to see Ground Zero in New York this summer. Check out the monuments in Washington D.C. Take a boat ride on Lake Michigan. And a tour of Alcatraz when he's in San Francisco.
It has been 15 years since he broke into the major leagues, and now that this is his final season, Chicago Cubs catcher David Ross wants to do everything he's missed over the years.
Isn't his impending retirement going to be a great chance to do all of those things?
Not on the travel budget of someone else.
It looks like he's made $20MM in his career. I don't think that's a very big consideration for him.
Much more fun to spend other people's money to sight see than spending your own. And you don't have to drag the family along. He's touring the country as a rich 30 something with buddies and not paying for it. Get it in now.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 13, 2016, 05:00:06 PM
John Baker broke up Timmy Lincecum's no-no a couple years back. David Ross broke up Anonymous Reds Pitcher's no-hitter this week. Clearly, if only opposing teams would no-hit the Cubs for more innings, our Cubes' slapdick backup catchers might generate more offense.
Quote from: flannj on April 13, 2016, 08:57:08 PM
This fucking team.
Quote from: flannj on April 13, 2016, 08:57:08 PM
This fucking team.
Quote from: Slaky on April 13, 2016, 09:47:33 PMQuote from: flannj on April 13, 2016, 08:57:08 PM
This fucking team.
This is absolutely, even already at this point, hard to fathom.
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2016, 07:35:49 AM
If you take out John Lackey's 8 runs in 12.2 innings, the Cubs have a team ERA of 1.83. Even with him it's 2.51. Their bullpen has allowed 2 ER in 19 innings of work.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 14, 2016, 08:27:07 AMQuote from: SKO on April 14, 2016, 07:35:49 AM
If you take out John Lackey's 8 runs in 12.2 innings, the Cubs have a team ERA of 1.83. Even with him it's 2.51. Their bullpen has allowed 2 ER in 19 innings of work.
Even if you leave them in, the Cubs still have 7 quality starts in 8 games, and they won the one game that wasn't a QS.
There is no team in baseball that is going to enjoy playing the Cubs this year.
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2016, 08:30:28 AMQuote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 14, 2016, 08:27:07 AMQuote from: SKO on April 14, 2016, 07:35:49 AM
If you take out John Lackey's 8 runs in 12.2 innings, the Cubs have a team ERA of 1.83. Even with him it's 2.51. Their bullpen has allowed 2 ER in 19 innings of work.
Even if you leave them in, the Cubs still have 7 quality starts in 8 games, and they won the one game that wasn't a QS.
There is no team in baseball that is going to enjoy playing the Cubs this year.
Yeah but I wanted to praise this team while still shitting on Lackey and I say Mission Accomplished.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 14, 2016, 08:55:17 AMQuote from: SKO on April 14, 2016, 08:30:28 AMQuote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 14, 2016, 08:27:07 AMQuote from: SKO on April 14, 2016, 07:35:49 AM
If you take out John Lackey's 8 runs in 12.2 innings, the Cubs have a team ERA of 1.83. Even with him it's 2.51. Their bullpen has allowed 2 ER in 19 innings of work.
Even if you leave them in, the Cubs still have 7 quality starts in 8 games, and they won the one game that wasn't a QS.
There is no team in baseball that is going to enjoy playing the Cubs this year.
Yeah but I wanted to praise this team while still shitting on Lackey and I say Mission Accomplished.
Lackey should spend every non-pitching day doing the breast stroke through a pool of elephant diarrhea. And if the Cubs had anybody who was a better option as a #3 starter, I'd want him doing it on pitching days too.
Quote from: Canadouche on April 14, 2016, 09:28:18 AMQuote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 14, 2016, 08:55:17 AMQuote from: SKO on April 14, 2016, 08:30:28 AMQuote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 14, 2016, 08:27:07 AMQuote from: SKO on April 14, 2016, 07:35:49 AM
If you take out John Lackey's 8 runs in 12.2 innings, the Cubs have a team ERA of 1.83. Even with him it's 2.51. Their bullpen has allowed 2 ER in 19 innings of work.
Even if you leave them in, the Cubs still have 7 quality starts in 8 games, and they won the one game that wasn't a QS.
There is no team in baseball that is going to enjoy playing the Cubs this year.
Yeah but I wanted to praise this team while still shitting on Lackey and I say Mission Accomplished.
Lackey should spend every non-pitching day doing the breast stroke through a pool of elephant diarrhea. And if the Cubs had anybody who was a better option as a #3 starter, I'd want him doing it on pitching days too.
While watching last night's game, the camera panned on Lackey in the dugout and my wife said "I don't like that guy. He looks like a douche." She's about as oblivious to baseball as you can be, and even she knows.
Quote from: Canadouche on April 14, 2016, 10:21:22 PM
BTW, at one point I accidentally loaded into the Reds broadcast, and I decided to listen to it for a while. I grew up listening to Thom relieving Harry Caray and having Bowtie Tuesdays with Steve Stone, so I probably thought of him more fondly than the rest of you. Then I proceeded to listen to him harp on the Cubs pretty much non-stop, implying that they'll only have a 2 or 3 year window until they begin losing players to free agency, and observing that the best regular season teams do not always see success in the playoffs because they have to be "built to win," or some shit like that.
Fuck that guy. I'm impressed he was able to overcome his jealously enough to put together mostly-comprehendible sentences.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 15, 2016, 08:26:28 AM
Looking forward to seeing Trevor Story turn into Alibi Ike this weekend.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 15, 2016, 11:23:40 AM
Javy Baez activated. Kawasaki sent down.
Quote from: Canadouche on April 21, 2016, 08:19:34 PMJesus Christ, Kris Bryant.Christ Brian, Christ Brian.
Quote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 07:54:50 AM
The Cubs run differential this season is very nearly double that of the second best in all of baseball. Last year, for as good as they were, they were only +81 runs. This year they are already at +60. Of course, it's very early.
Quote from: Slaky on April 22, 2016, 08:12:53 AMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 07:54:50 AM
The Cubs run differential this season is very nearly double that of the second best in all of baseball. Last year, for as good as they were, they were only +81 runs. This year they are already at +60. Of course, it's very early.
I'm starting to think they weren't even good last year. This team is playing like a juggernaut and the next two weeks could see them fatten up even more on the dregs of the NL.
Quote from: Slaky on April 22, 2016, 08:12:53 AMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 07:54:50 AM
The Cubs run differential this season is very nearly double that of the second best in all of baseball. Last year, for as good as they were, they were only +81 runs. This year they are already at +60. Of course, it's very early.
I'm starting to think they weren't even good last year. This team is playing like a juggernaut and the next two weeks could see them fatten up even more on the dregs of the NL.
Quote from: Yeti on April 22, 2016, 08:38:20 AM
I'm sure part of this is the feel-good last 12 hours for David Ross, but I'm ok with him (ignoring that they now definitely needed a backup)... I guess it comes from this: The players like David Ross, and enjoy making his final season special. So, if it makes the Cubs players happy, it makes me happy.
Quote from: SKO on April 21, 2016, 09:32:10 PM
I'm out of words for this team. It's April 21st
Quote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 07:54:50 AM
The Cubs run differential this season is very nearly double that of the second best in all of baseball. Last year, for as good as they were, they were only +81 runs. This year they are already at +60. Of course, it's very early.
Quote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 07:54:50 AM
The Cubs run differential this season is very nearly double that of the second best in all of baseball. Last year, for as good as they were, they were only +81 runs. This year they are already at +60. Of course, it's very early.
Quote from: ChuckD on April 22, 2016, 10:29:51 AMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 07:54:50 AM
The Cubs run differential this season is very nearly double that of the second best in all of baseball. Last year, for as good as they were, they were only +81 runs. This year they are already at +60. Of course, it's very early.
https://twitter.com/SamMillerBP/status/723333303542009857
(http://i.imgur.com/QGFIhN7.png)
Quote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 10:39:29 AMQuote from: ChuckD on April 22, 2016, 10:29:51 AMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 07:54:50 AM
The Cubs run differential this season is very nearly double that of the second best in all of baseball. Last year, for as good as they were, they were only +81 runs. This year they are already at +60. Of course, it's very early.
https://twitter.com/SamMillerBP/status/723333303542009857
(http://i.imgur.com/QGFIhN7.png)
There are 14 teams in the league right now that have scored 60 runs total or less, including the Royals and White Sox, two of the three best records in the AL. What's even more insane is that the Cubs have allowed fewer runs than any team but the Nationals, who have allowed 37 runs in 15 games vs the Cubs 36 in 16. The Cubs lead MLB in ERA and Runs Scored.
Theo Epstein is a fucking God.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 21, 2016, 08:35:22 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 21, 2016, 08:19:34 PMJesus Christ, Kris Bryant.Christ Brian, Christ Brian.
Quote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Quote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Quote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 12:05:15 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Worry really isn't needed though. He's striking out less and walking more than last year. His hard/medium/soft contact % are all about the same as last year, and he's making more contact. His BABIP is just .231 this year vs .324 last year. He's showing all of the signs of an improved player, he's got shit luck right now. He's going to be pretty good once those balls start to drop. And when he has better batted ball luck.
Quote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 01:17:08 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 12:05:15 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Worry really isn't needed though. He's striking out less and walking more than last year. His hard/medium/soft contact % are all about the same as last year, and he's making more contact. His BABIP is just .231 this year vs .324 last year. He's showing all of the signs of an improved player, he's got shit luck right now. He's going to be pretty good once those balls start to drop. And when he has better batted ball luck.
And, the whole 'sophomore slump' narrative is kind of weak to begin with.
I mean, I'm not going to tell Kurt or anyone else when to worry but I would suggest worrying about something that's actually a thing.
Quote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 01:17:08 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 12:05:15 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Worry really isn't needed though. He's striking out less and walking more than last year. His hard/medium/soft contact % are all about the same as last year, and he's making more contact. His BABIP is just .231 this year vs .324 last year. He's showing all of the signs of an improved player, he's got shit luck right now. He's going to be pretty good once those balls start to drop. And when he has better batted ball luck.
And, the whole 'sophomore slump' narrative is kind of weak to begin with.
I mean, I'm not going to tell Kurt or anyone else when to worry but I would suggest worrying about something that's actually a thing.
Quote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 01:28:14 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 01:17:08 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 12:05:15 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Worry really isn't needed though. He's striking out less and walking more than last year. His hard/medium/soft contact % are all about the same as last year, and he's making more contact. His BABIP is just .231 this year vs .324 last year. He's showing all of the signs of an improved player, he's got shit luck right now. He's going to be pretty good once those balls start to drop. And when he has better batted ball luck.
And, the whole 'sophomore slump' narrative is kind of weak to begin with.
I mean, I'm not going to tell Kurt or anyone else when to worry but I would suggest worrying about something that's actually a thing.
Yeah, I wonder how much of the sophomore slump thing just came from players that weren't actually good getting off to hot starts and then cooling down the next year. I mean Angel Berroa didn't have a sophomore slump, he was just bad. Same with Real ROTY Randal Grichuk.
Quote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 01:28:14 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 01:17:08 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 12:05:15 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Worry really isn't needed though. He's striking out less and walking more than last year. His hard/medium/soft contact % are all about the same as last year, and he's making more contact. His BABIP is just .231 this year vs .324 last year. He's showing all of the signs of an improved player, he's got shit luck right now. He's going to be pretty good once those balls start to drop. And when he has better batted ball luck.
And, the whole 'sophomore slump' narrative is kind of weak to begin with.
I mean, I'm not going to tell Kurt or anyone else when to worry but I would suggest worrying about something that's actually a thing.
Yeah, I wonder how much of the sophomore slump thing just came from players that weren't actually good getting off to hot starts and then cooling down the next year. I mean Angel Berroa didn't have a sophomore slump, he was just bad. Same with Real ROTY Randal Grichuk.
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2016, 01:51:48 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 01:28:14 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 01:17:08 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 12:05:15 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Worry really isn't needed though. He's striking out less and walking more than last year. His hard/medium/soft contact % are all about the same as last year, and he's making more contact. His BABIP is just .231 this year vs .324 last year. He's showing all of the signs of an improved player, he's got shit luck right now. He's going to be pretty good once those balls start to drop. And when he has better batted ball luck.
And, the whole 'sophomore slump' narrative is kind of weak to begin with.
I mean, I'm not going to tell Kurt or anyone else when to worry but I would suggest worrying about something that's actually a thing.
Yeah, I wonder how much of the sophomore slump thing just came from players that weren't actually good getting off to hot starts and then cooling down the next year. I mean Angel Berroa didn't have a sophomore slump, he was just bad. Same with Real ROTY Randal Grichuk.
Bob Hamelin, Joe Charboneau...
Quote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 01:33:48 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 01:28:14 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 01:17:08 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 12:05:15 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Worry really isn't needed though. He's striking out less and walking more than last year. His hard/medium/soft contact % are all about the same as last year, and he's making more contact. His BABIP is just .231 this year vs .324 last year. He's showing all of the signs of an improved player, he's got shit luck right now. He's going to be pretty good once those balls start to drop. And when he has better batted ball luck.
And, the whole 'sophomore slump' narrative is kind of weak to begin with.
I mean, I'm not going to tell Kurt or anyone else when to worry but I would suggest worrying about something that's actually a thing.
Yeah, I wonder how much of the sophomore slump thing just came from players that weren't actually good getting off to hot starts and then cooling down the next year. I mean Angel Berroa didn't have a sophomore slump, he was just bad. Same with Real ROTY Randal Grichuk.
Well, Geovany Soto.
Quote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 02:16:51 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 01:33:48 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 01:28:14 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 01:17:08 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 12:05:15 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Worry really isn't needed though. He's striking out less and walking more than last year. His hard/medium/soft contact % are all about the same as last year, and he's making more contact. His BABIP is just .231 this year vs .324 last year. He's showing all of the signs of an improved player, he's got shit luck right now. He's going to be pretty good once those balls start to drop. And when he has better batted ball luck.
And, the whole 'sophomore slump' narrative is kind of weak to begin with.
I mean, I'm not going to tell Kurt or anyone else when to worry but I would suggest worrying about something that's actually a thing.
Yeah, I wonder how much of the sophomore slump thing just came from players that weren't actually good getting off to hot starts and then cooling down the next year. I mean Angel Berroa didn't have a sophomore slump, he was just bad. Same with Real ROTY Randal Grichuk.
Well, Geovany Soto.
Walk rate increased, K rate decreased. BABIP went from 332 in '08 to .246 in '09. Most of his 'slump' was due to getting about 200 fewer PAs. Other than BABIP, his biggest issue was that fewer of his FBs went over the fence. If you want to call that a slump, fine. However, the idea that he made adjustments or whatever is kind of mitigated by the fact that he walked and struck out at lightly better rates than his rookie year.
At least that's my take...
Quote from: InternetApex on April 22, 2016, 02:18:25 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 02:16:51 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 01:33:48 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 01:28:14 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 01:17:08 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 12:05:15 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Worry really isn't needed though. He's striking out less and walking more than last year. His hard/medium/soft contact % are all about the same as last year, and he's making more contact. His BABIP is just .231 this year vs .324 last year. He's showing all of the signs of an improved player, he's got shit luck right now. He's going to be pretty good once those balls start to drop. And when he has better batted ball luck.
And, the whole 'sophomore slump' narrative is kind of weak to begin with.
I mean, I'm not going to tell Kurt or anyone else when to worry but I would suggest worrying about something that's actually a thing.
Yeah, I wonder how much of the sophomore slump thing just came from players that weren't actually good getting off to hot starts and then cooling down the next year. I mean Angel Berroa didn't have a sophomore slump, he was just bad. Same with Real ROTY Randal Grichuk.
Well, Geovany Soto.
Walk rate increased, K rate decreased. BABIP went from 332 in '08 to .246 in '09. Most of his 'slump' was due to getting about 200 fewer PAs. Other than BABIP, his biggest issue was that fewer of his FBs went over the fence. If you want to call that a slump, fine. However, the idea that he made adjustments or whatever is kind of mitigated by the fact that he walked and struck out at lightly better rates than his rookie year.
At least that's my take...
You could argue that his freshman campaign was a total fluke too.
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2016, 01:51:48 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 01:28:14 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 01:17:08 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 12:05:15 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Worry really isn't needed though. He's striking out less and walking more than last year. His hard/medium/soft contact % are all about the same as last year, and he's making more contact. His BABIP is just .231 this year vs .324 last year. He's showing all of the signs of an improved player, he's got shit luck right now. He's going to be pretty good once those balls start to drop. And when he has better batted ball luck.
And, the whole 'sophomore slump' narrative is kind of weak to begin with.
I mean, I'm not going to tell Kurt or anyone else when to worry but I would suggest worrying about something that's actually a thing.
Yeah, I wonder how much of the sophomore slump thing just came from players that weren't actually good getting off to hot starts and then cooling down the next year. I mean Angel Berroa didn't have a sophomore slump, he was just bad. Same with Real ROTY Randal Grichuk.
Bob Hamelin, Joe Charboneau...
Quote from: InternetApex on April 22, 2016, 02:11:00 PMQuote from: PANK! on April 22, 2016, 01:51:48 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 01:28:14 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 01:17:08 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 12:05:15 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Worry really isn't needed though. He's striking out less and walking more than last year. His hard/medium/soft contact % are all about the same as last year, and he's making more contact. His BABIP is just .231 this year vs .324 last year. He's showing all of the signs of an improved player, he's got shit luck right now. He's going to be pretty good once those balls start to drop. And when he has better batted ball luck.
And, the whole 'sophomore slump' narrative is kind of weak to begin with.
I mean, I'm not going to tell Kurt or anyone else when to worry but I would suggest worrying about something that's actually a thing.
Yeah, I wonder how much of the sophomore slump thing just came from players that weren't actually good getting off to hot starts and then cooling down the next year. I mean Angel Berroa didn't have a sophomore slump, he was just bad. Same with Real ROTY Randal Grichuk.
Bob Hamelin, Joe Charboneau...
Jerome Walton, Dwight Smith...
Quote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 02:36:03 PMQuote from: InternetApex on April 22, 2016, 02:11:00 PMQuote from: PANK! on April 22, 2016, 01:51:48 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 01:28:14 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 01:17:08 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 12:05:15 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Worry really isn't needed though. He's striking out less and walking more than last year. His hard/medium/soft contact % are all about the same as last year, and he's making more contact. His BABIP is just .231 this year vs .324 last year. He's showing all of the signs of an improved player, he's got shit luck right now. He's going to be pretty good once those balls start to drop. And when he has better batted ball luck.
And, the whole 'sophomore slump' narrative is kind of weak to begin with.
I mean, I'm not going to tell Kurt or anyone else when to worry but I would suggest worrying about something that's actually a thing.
Yeah, I wonder how much of the sophomore slump thing just came from players that weren't actually good getting off to hot starts and then cooling down the next year. I mean Angel Berroa didn't have a sophomore slump, he was just bad. Same with Real ROTY Randal Grichuk.
Bob Hamelin, Joe Charboneau...
Jerome Walton, Dwight Smith...
Jerome Walton was not a good baseball player to begin with. He was a singles hitter who never walked and struck out too much. His rookie year he rode a .337 BABIP into a whopping 103 wRC+. The following year, in fact, he walk rate finally rose to an acceptable level at 11% but, as a slap hitter with no power, his BABIP also normalized to a .317 level But, like I said, a slap hitter with no power who doesn't walk and doesn't do anything else very well just won't last int he league.
If you want to discuss adjustments, how about this one...he took about 6 years to figure the power thing out and, in '95, had a .235 ISO in 188 PAs for The Reds after barely even sniffing .100 in his career. He had a 134 wRC+ in those 188 PAs.
Dwight Smith also didn't have a sophomore slump as much as he had a career slump. He had a 148 wRC+ in '89. Other than 348 PAs in '93, he was a pretty league average hitter for his career. His BABIP was .347 in '89 and never touched those levels again. So, meh.
Quote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 02:38:53 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 02:36:03 PMQuote from: InternetApex on April 22, 2016, 02:11:00 PMQuote from: PANK! on April 22, 2016, 01:51:48 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 01:28:14 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 01:17:08 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 12:05:15 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Worry really isn't needed though. He's striking out less and walking more than last year. His hard/medium/soft contact % are all about the same as last year, and he's making more contact. His BABIP is just .231 this year vs .324 last year. He's showing all of the signs of an improved player, he's got shit luck right now. He's going to be pretty good once those balls start to drop. And when he has better batted ball luck.
And, the whole 'sophomore slump' narrative is kind of weak to begin with.
I mean, I'm not going to tell Kurt or anyone else when to worry but I would suggest worrying about something that's actually a thing.
Yeah, I wonder how much of the sophomore slump thing just came from players that weren't actually good getting off to hot starts and then cooling down the next year. I mean Angel Berroa didn't have a sophomore slump, he was just bad. Same with Real ROTY Randal Grichuk.
Bob Hamelin, Joe Charboneau...
Jerome Walton, Dwight Smith...
Jerome Walton was not a good baseball player to begin with. He was a singles hitter who never walked and struck out too much. His rookie year he rode a .337 BABIP into a whopping 103 wRC+. The following year, in fact, he walk rate finally rose to an acceptable level at 11% but, as a slap hitter with no power, his BABIP also normalized to a .317 level But, like I said, a slap hitter with no power who doesn't walk and doesn't do anything else very well just won't last int he league.
If you want to discuss adjustments, how about this one...he took about 6 years to figure the power thing out and, in '95, had a .235 ISO in 188 PAs for The Reds after barely even sniffing .100 in his career. He had a 134 wRC+ in those 188 PAs.
Dwight Smith also didn't have a sophomore slump as much as he had a career slump. He had a 148 wRC+ in '89. Other than 348 PAs in '93, he was a pretty league average hitter for his career. His BABIP was .347 in '89 and never touched those levels again. So, meh.
I am enjoying this research you are doing but I think both of them were actually agreeing with us that the "sophomore slumps" are really just "surprising rookie was actually not good at baseball". I think they were just naming examples. I don't think Apex was trying to say Walton was good.
Quote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 02:36:03 PMQuote from: InternetApex on April 22, 2016, 02:11:00 PMQuote from: PANK! on April 22, 2016, 01:51:48 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 01:28:14 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 01:17:08 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 12:05:15 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Worry really isn't needed though. He's striking out less and walking more than last year. His hard/medium/soft contact % are all about the same as last year, and he's making more contact. His BABIP is just .231 this year vs .324 last year. He's showing all of the signs of an improved player, he's got shit luck right now. He's going to be pretty good once those balls start to drop. And when he has better batted ball luck.
And, the whole 'sophomore slump' narrative is kind of weak to begin with.
I mean, I'm not going to tell Kurt or anyone else when to worry but I would suggest worrying about something that's actually a thing.
Yeah, I wonder how much of the sophomore slump thing just came from players that weren't actually good getting off to hot starts and then cooling down the next year. I mean Angel Berroa didn't have a sophomore slump, he was just bad. Same with Real ROTY Randal Grichuk.
Bob Hamelin, Joe Charboneau...
Jerome Walton, Dwight Smith...
Jerome Walton was not a good baseball player to begin with. He was a singles hitter who never walked and struck out too much. His rookie year he rode a .337 BABIP into a whopping 103 wRC+. The following year, in fact, he walk rate finally rose to an acceptable level at 11% but, as a slap hitter with no power, his BABIP also normalized to a .317 level But, like I said, a slap hitter with no power who doesn't walk and doesn't do anything else very well just won't last int he league.
If you want to discuss adjustments, how about this one...he took about 6 years to figure the power thing out and, in '95, had a .235 ISO in 188 PAs for The Reds after barely even sniffing .100 in his career. He had a 134 wRC+ in those 188 PAs.
Dwight Smith also didn't have a sophomore slump as much as he had a career slump. He had a 148 wRC+ in '89. Other than 348 PAs in '93, he was a pretty league average hitter for his career. His BABIP was .347 in '89 and never touched those levels again. So, meh.
Quote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 02:38:53 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 02:36:03 PMQuote from: InternetApex on April 22, 2016, 02:11:00 PMQuote from: PANK! on April 22, 2016, 01:51:48 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 01:28:14 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 01:17:08 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 12:05:15 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Worry really isn't needed though. He's striking out less and walking more than last year. His hard/medium/soft contact % are all about the same as last year, and he's making more contact. His BABIP is just .231 this year vs .324 last year. He's showing all of the signs of an improved player, he's got shit luck right now. He's going to be pretty good once those balls start to drop. And when he has better batted ball luck.
And, the whole 'sophomore slump' narrative is kind of weak to begin with.
I mean, I'm not going to tell Kurt or anyone else when to worry but I would suggest worrying about something that's actually a thing.
Yeah, I wonder how much of the sophomore slump thing just came from players that weren't actually good getting off to hot starts and then cooling down the next year. I mean Angel Berroa didn't have a sophomore slump, he was just bad. Same with Real ROTY Randal Grichuk.
Bob Hamelin, Joe Charboneau...
Jerome Walton, Dwight Smith...
Jerome Walton was not a good baseball player to begin with. He was a singles hitter who never walked and struck out too much. His rookie year he rode a .337 BABIP into a whopping 103 wRC+. The following year, in fact, he walk rate finally rose to an acceptable level at 11% but, as a slap hitter with no power, his BABIP also normalized to a .317 level But, like I said, a slap hitter with no power who doesn't walk and doesn't do anything else very well just won't last int he league.
If you want to discuss adjustments, how about this one...he took about 6 years to figure the power thing out and, in '95, had a .235 ISO in 188 PAs for The Reds after barely even sniffing .100 in his career. He had a 134 wRC+ in those 188 PAs.
Dwight Smith also didn't have a sophomore slump as much as he had a career slump. He had a 148 wRC+ in '89. Other than 348 PAs in '93, he was a pretty league average hitter for his career. His BABIP was .347 in '89 and never touched those levels again. So, meh.
I am enjoying this research you are doing but I think both of them were actually agreeing with us that the "sophomore slumps" are really just "surprising rookie was actually not good at baseball". I think they were just naming examples. I don't think Apex was trying to say Walton was good.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 22, 2016, 03:06:50 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 02:38:53 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 02:36:03 PMQuote from: InternetApex on April 22, 2016, 02:11:00 PMQuote from: PANK! on April 22, 2016, 01:51:48 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 01:28:14 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 01:17:08 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 12:05:15 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Worry really isn't needed though. He's striking out less and walking more than last year. His hard/medium/soft contact % are all about the same as last year, and he's making more contact. His BABIP is just .231 this year vs .324 last year. He's showing all of the signs of an improved player, he's got shit luck right now. He's going to be pretty good once those balls start to drop. And when he has better batted ball luck.
And, the whole 'sophomore slump' narrative is kind of weak to begin with.
I mean, I'm not going to tell Kurt or anyone else when to worry but I would suggest worrying about something that's actually a thing.
Yeah, I wonder how much of the sophomore slump thing just came from players that weren't actually good getting off to hot starts and then cooling down the next year. I mean Angel Berroa didn't have a sophomore slump, he was just bad. Same with Real ROTY Randal Grichuk.
Bob Hamelin, Joe Charboneau...
Jerome Walton, Dwight Smith...
Jerome Walton was not a good baseball player to begin with. He was a singles hitter who never walked and struck out too much. His rookie year he rode a .337 BABIP into a whopping 103 wRC+. The following year, in fact, he walk rate finally rose to an acceptable level at 11% but, as a slap hitter with no power, his BABIP also normalized to a .317 level But, like I said, a slap hitter with no power who doesn't walk and doesn't do anything else very well just won't last int he league.
If you want to discuss adjustments, how about this one...he took about 6 years to figure the power thing out and, in '95, had a .235 ISO in 188 PAs for The Reds after barely even sniffing .100 in his career. He had a 134 wRC+ in those 188 PAs.
Dwight Smith also didn't have a sophomore slump as much as he had a career slump. He had a 148 wRC+ in '89. Other than 348 PAs in '93, he was a pretty league average hitter for his career. His BABIP was .347 in '89 and never touched those levels again. So, meh.
I am enjoying this research you are doing but I think both of them were actually agreeing with us that the "sophomore slumps" are really just "surprising rookie was actually not good at baseball". I think they were just naming examples. I don't think Apex was trying to say Walton was good.
Right. A sophomore slump is probably just a thing people say when they're witnessing a shitty sophomore season by a guy who eventually washes out after one outlier of a rookie year. We'd have to poke around the interwebs pretty good to find a player who had a nice rookie year, had a sophomore slump (not due to injury) and then went on to a successful career. I'm sure there are a few, but who cares?
The real fear, unfounded as ever, would be that Russell actually sucks. I don't think so. And he's what, 12 years old in baseball player years?
Quote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 03:13:54 PMQuote from: InternetApex on April 22, 2016, 03:06:50 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 02:38:53 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 02:36:03 PMQuote from: InternetApex on April 22, 2016, 02:11:00 PMQuote from: PANK! on April 22, 2016, 01:51:48 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 01:28:14 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 01:17:08 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 12:05:15 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Worry really isn't needed though. He's striking out less and walking more than last year. His hard/medium/soft contact % are all about the same as last year, and he's making more contact. His BABIP is just .231 this year vs .324 last year. He's showing all of the signs of an improved player, he's got shit luck right now. He's going to be pretty good once those balls start to drop. And when he has better batted ball luck.
And, the whole 'sophomore slump' narrative is kind of weak to begin with.
I mean, I'm not going to tell Kurt or anyone else when to worry but I would suggest worrying about something that's actually a thing.
Yeah, I wonder how much of the sophomore slump thing just came from players that weren't actually good getting off to hot starts and then cooling down the next year. I mean Angel Berroa didn't have a sophomore slump, he was just bad. Same with Real ROTY Randal Grichuk.
Bob Hamelin, Joe Charboneau...
Jerome Walton, Dwight Smith...
Jerome Walton was not a good baseball player to begin with. He was a singles hitter who never walked and struck out too much. His rookie year he rode a .337 BABIP into a whopping 103 wRC+. The following year, in fact, he walk rate finally rose to an acceptable level at 11% but, as a slap hitter with no power, his BABIP also normalized to a .317 level But, like I said, a slap hitter with no power who doesn't walk and doesn't do anything else very well just won't last int he league.
If you want to discuss adjustments, how about this one...he took about 6 years to figure the power thing out and, in '95, had a .235 ISO in 188 PAs for The Reds after barely even sniffing .100 in his career. He had a 134 wRC+ in those 188 PAs.
Dwight Smith also didn't have a sophomore slump as much as he had a career slump. He had a 148 wRC+ in '89. Other than 348 PAs in '93, he was a pretty league average hitter for his career. His BABIP was .347 in '89 and never touched those levels again. So, meh.
I am enjoying this research you are doing but I think both of them were actually agreeing with us that the "sophomore slumps" are really just "surprising rookie was actually not good at baseball". I think they were just naming examples. I don't think Apex was trying to say Walton was good.
Right. A sophomore slump is probably just a thing people say when they're witnessing a shitty sophomore season by a guy who eventually washes out after one outlier of a rookie year. We'd have to poke around the interwebs pretty good to find a player who had a nice rookie year, had a sophomore slump (not due to injury) and then went on to a successful career. I'm sure there are a few, but who cares?
The real fear, unfounded as ever, would be that Russell actually sucks. I don't think so. And he's what, 12 years old in baseball player years?
Yeah, even if he were actually struggling he still has youth and inexperience on his side, but he's really not struggling. He's just hitting into shit luck. That's really all there is to it.
Quote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 02:38:53 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 02:36:03 PMQuote from: InternetApex on April 22, 2016, 02:11:00 PMQuote from: PANK! on April 22, 2016, 01:51:48 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 01:28:14 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 01:17:08 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 12:05:15 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Worry really isn't needed though. He's striking out less and walking more than last year. His hard/medium/soft contact % are all about the same as last year, and he's making more contact. His BABIP is just .231 this year vs .324 last year. He's showing all of the signs of an improved player, he's got shit luck right now. He's going to be pretty good once those balls start to drop. And when he has better batted ball luck.
And, the whole 'sophomore slump' narrative is kind of weak to begin with.
I mean, I'm not going to tell Kurt or anyone else when to worry but I would suggest worrying about something that's actually a thing.
Yeah, I wonder how much of the sophomore slump thing just came from players that weren't actually good getting off to hot starts and then cooling down the next year. I mean Angel Berroa didn't have a sophomore slump, he was just bad. Same with Real ROTY Randal Grichuk.
Bob Hamelin, Joe Charboneau...
Jerome Walton, Dwight Smith...
Jerome Walton was not a good baseball player to begin with. He was a singles hitter who never walked and struck out too much. His rookie year he rode a .337 BABIP into a whopping 103 wRC+. The following year, in fact, he walk rate finally rose to an acceptable level at 11% but, as a slap hitter with no power, his BABIP also normalized to a .317 level But, like I said, a slap hitter with no power who doesn't walk and doesn't do anything else very well just won't last int he league.
If you want to discuss adjustments, how about this one...he took about 6 years to figure the power thing out and, in '95, had a .235 ISO in 188 PAs for The Reds after barely even sniffing .100 in his career. He had a 134 wRC+ in those 188 PAs.
Dwight Smith also didn't have a sophomore slump as much as he had a career slump. He had a 148 wRC+ in '89. Other than 348 PAs in '93, he was a pretty league average hitter for his career. His BABIP was .347 in '89 and never touched those levels again. So, meh.
I am enjoying this research you are doing but I think both of them were actually agreeing with us that the "sophomore slumps" are really just "surprising rookie was actually not good at baseball". I think they were just naming examples. I don't think Apex was trying to say Walton was good.
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2016, 03:55:25 PMThere is no such thing as a "sophomore slump". It is simply a question of when the opposition catches up.Quote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 02:38:53 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 02:36:03 PMQuote from: InternetApex on April 22, 2016, 02:11:00 PMQuote from: PANK! on April 22, 2016, 01:51:48 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 01:28:14 PMQuote from: Oleg on April 22, 2016, 01:17:08 PMQuote from: SKO on April 22, 2016, 12:05:15 PMQuote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Worry really isn't needed though. He's striking out less and walking more than last year. His hard/medium/soft contact % are all about the same as last year, and he's making more contact. His BABIP is just .231 this year vs .324 last year. He's showing all of the signs of an improved player, he's got shit luck right now. He's going to be pretty good once those balls start to drop. And when he has better batted ball luck.
And, the whole 'sophomore slump' narrative is kind of weak to begin with.
I mean, I'm not going to tell Kurt or anyone else when to worry but I would suggest worrying about something that's actually a thing.
Yeah, I wonder how much of the sophomore slump thing just came from players that weren't actually good getting off to hot starts and then cooling down the next year. I mean Angel Berroa didn't have a sophomore slump, he was just bad. Same with Real ROTY Randal Grichuk.
Bob Hamelin, Joe Charboneau...
Jerome Walton, Dwight Smith...
Jerome Walton was not a good baseball player to begin with. He was a singles hitter who never walked and struck out too much. His rookie year he rode a .337 BABIP into a whopping 103 wRC+. The following year, in fact, he walk rate finally rose to an acceptable level at 11% but, as a slap hitter with no power, his BABIP also normalized to a .317 level But, like I said, a slap hitter with no power who doesn't walk and doesn't do anything else very well just won't last int he league.
If you want to discuss adjustments, how about this one...he took about 6 years to figure the power thing out and, in '95, had a .235 ISO in 188 PAs for The Reds after barely even sniffing .100 in his career. He had a 134 wRC+ in those 188 PAs.
Dwight Smith also didn't have a sophomore slump as much as he had a career slump. He had a 148 wRC+ in '89. Other than 348 PAs in '93, he was a pretty league average hitter for his career. His BABIP was .347 in '89 and never touched those levels again. So, meh.
I am enjoying this research you are doing but I think both of them were actually agreeing with us that the "sophomore slumps" are really just "surprising rookie was actually not good at baseball". I think they were just naming examples. I don't think Apex was trying to say Walton was good.
Yes for my part I was solidifying efforts to obliterate the notion of a "sophomore slump". I just picked out 2 guys who off the top of my head had outlier rookie years and then came down to earth because they really weren't that good. Not sure I need to see such a fine breakdown of Bob Hamelin's numbers but...thanks?
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With sophomores, you always worry about whether or not they will adjust and improve or have a shitty second year. I admit I'm feeling a bit concerned about Addison, who admittedly is hitting balls hard. But the amazing thing about this team is that, with their offensive capabilities, there has to be close to zero stress on Russell to hit. The team isn't counting on his bat, so he can work out his druthers without feeling scrutinized/pressured. And sooner or later, I'm certain he'll begin hitting well again. It's kind of refreshing to not have to worry, even if worry is understandable.
Worry really isn't needed though. He's striking out less and walking more than last year. His hard/medium/soft contact % are all about the same as last year, and he's making more contact. His BABIP is just .231 this year vs .324 last year. He's showing all of the signs of an improved player, he's got shit luck right now. He's going to be pretty good once those balls start to drop. And when he has better batted ball luck.
And, the whole 'sophomore slump' narrative is kind of weak to begin with.
I mean, I'm not going to tell Kurt or anyone else when to worry but I would suggest worrying about something that's actually a thing.
Yeah, I wonder how much of the sophomore slump thing just came from players that weren't actually good getting off to hot starts and then cooling down the next year. I mean Angel Berroa didn't have a sophomore slump, he was just bad. Same with Real ROTY Randal Grichuk.
Bob Hamelin, Joe Charboneau...
Jerome Walton, Dwight Smith...
Jerome Walton was not a good baseball player to begin with. He was a singles hitter who never walked and struck out too much. His rookie year he rode a .337 BABIP into a whopping 103 wRC+. The following year, in fact, he walk rate finally rose to an acceptable level at 11% but, as a slap hitter with no power, his BABIP also normalized to a .317 level But, like I said, a slap hitter with no power who doesn't walk and doesn't do anything else very well just won't last int he league.
If you want to discuss adjustments, how about this one...he took about 6 years to figure the power thing out and, in '95, had a .235 ISO in 188 PAs for The Reds after barely even sniffing .100 in his career. He had a 134 wRC+ in those 188 PAs.
Dwight Smith also didn't have a sophomore slump as much as he had a career slump. He had a 148 wRC+ in '89. Other than 348 PAs in '93, he was a pretty league average hitter for his career. His BABIP was .347 in '89 and never touched those levels again. So, meh.
I am enjoying this research you are doing but I think both of them were actually agreeing with us that the "sophomore slumps" are really just "surprising rookie was actually not good at baseball". I think they were just naming examples. I don't think Apex was trying to say Walton was good.
Right. A sophomore slump is probably just a thing people say when they're witnessing a shitty sophomore season by a guy who eventually washes out after one outlier of a rookie year. We'd have to poke around the interwebs pretty good to find a player who had a nice rookie year, had a sophomore slump (not due to injury) and then went on to a successful career. I'm sure there are a few, but who cares?
The real fear, unfounded as ever, would be that Russell actually sucks. I don't think so. And he's what, 12 years old in baseball player years?
Yeah, even if he were actually struggling he still has youth and inexperience on his side, but he's really not struggling. He's just hitting into shit luck. That's really all there is to it.
Can he sing like Dwight Smith? Cuz that can make up for a lot.
Quote from: Shooter on April 22, 2016, 11:12:15 PM
They are +39 against the Reds in five games.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 24, 2016, 02:50:27 PM
That La Stella hate campaign is looking Rubio-like in its futility.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 24, 2016, 03:40:49 PMQuote from: InternetApex on April 24, 2016, 02:50:27 PM
That La Stella hate campaign is looking Rubio-like in its futility.
Or maybe, it's working perfectly.
Quote from: Bort on April 24, 2016, 04:37:20 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 24, 2016, 03:40:49 PMQuote from: InternetApex on April 24, 2016, 02:50:27 PM
That La Stella hate campaign is looking Rubio-like in its futility.
Or maybe, it's working perfectly.
Who is La Stella?
Quote from: Canadouche on April 24, 2016, 05:01:25 PMQuote from: Bort on April 24, 2016, 04:37:20 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on April 24, 2016, 03:40:49 PMQuote from: InternetApex on April 24, 2016, 02:50:27 PM
That La Stella hate campaign is looking Rubio-like in its futility.
Or maybe, it's working perfectly.
Who is La Stella?
Main character in a Spanish production of Streetcar.
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"Whatever your stance, you're getting one more Cubs post for the time being, because for all the attention the lineup and rotation has received, there's another area in which they're deserving of attention, an area that often goes overlooked but that can very much matter. In addition to the lineup having a top-five adjusted batting line with the most runs scored, the rotation being the best in baseball by ERA and second-best by FIP, and the defense leading everyone in Defensive Runs Saved, the Cubs have also been the best base-running team in the sport. Not only is it a continuation of last year's success in that department, but it's something that was seemingly improved by one offseason acquisition, and perhaps more importantly, amplified by another."
QuoteThe Cubs wanted more contact. They went out and got Heyward, who makes an above-average amount of contact. They went out and got Ben Zobrist, who makes an exceptional amount of contact. Presumably, they worked with some of their existing players and focused on getting more contact out of them. Last year, no one struck out more than the Cubs. This year, only six teams have struck out less than the Cubs, who have cut down their team strikeout rate by nearly five percentage points. Bryant's strikeouts are down, Addison Russell's strikeouts are down, Jorge Soler's strikeouts are down, and adding Heyward and Zobrist can only help.
Quote from: SKO on April 25, 2016, 10:43:30 AM
DPD, but also from that article:QuoteThe Cubs wanted more contact. They went out and got Heyward, who makes an above-average amount of contact. They went out and got Ben Zobrist, who makes an exceptional amount of contact. Presumably, they worked with some of their existing players and focused on getting more contact out of them. Last year, no one struck out more than the Cubs. This year, only six teams have struck out less than the Cubs, who have cut down their team strikeout rate by nearly five percentage points. Bryant's strikeouts are down, Addison Russell's strikeouts are down, Jorge Soler's strikeouts are down, and adding Heyward and Zobrist can only help.
That's a huge improvement, I hope it holds up as they face better pitching. Russell especially seems to have made major improvements in that department.
Quote from: Eli on April 25, 2016, 11:03:09 AMQuote from: SKO on April 25, 2016, 10:43:30 AM
DPD, but also from that article:QuoteThe Cubs wanted more contact. They went out and got Heyward, who makes an above-average amount of contact. They went out and got Ben Zobrist, who makes an exceptional amount of contact. Presumably, they worked with some of their existing players and focused on getting more contact out of them. Last year, no one struck out more than the Cubs. This year, only six teams have struck out less than the Cubs, who have cut down their team strikeout rate by nearly five percentage points. Bryant's strikeouts are down, Addison Russell's strikeouts are down, Jorge Soler's strikeouts are down, and adding Heyward and Zobrist can only help.
That's a huge improvement, I hope it holds up as they face better pitching. Russell especially seems to have made major improvements in that department.
That's huge. They don't need to lead the league in contact rate, but it really, really helps if they're not in the bottom 10.
Quote from: Eli on April 25, 2016, 11:03:09 AMQuote from: SKO on April 25, 2016, 10:43:30 AM
DPD, but also from that article:QuoteThe Cubs wanted more contact. They went out and got Heyward, who makes an above-average amount of contact. They went out and got Ben Zobrist, who makes an exceptional amount of contact. Presumably, they worked with some of their existing players and focused on getting more contact out of them. Last year, no one struck out more than the Cubs. This year, only six teams have struck out less than the Cubs, who have cut down their team strikeout rate by nearly five percentage points. Bryant's strikeouts are down, Addison Russell's strikeouts are down, Jorge Soler's strikeouts are down, and adding Heyward and Zobrist can only help.
That's a huge improvement, I hope it holds up as they face better pitching. Russell especially seems to have made major improvements in that department.
That's huge. They don't need to lead the league in contact rate, but it really, really helps if they're not in the bottom 10.
Quote from: SKO on April 28, 2016, 12:29:01 PM
Montero to the DL, some asswipe who isn't Contreras up. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-cubs-to-place-miguel-montero-on-dl-20160428-story.html)
I mean I get not wanting to interrupt your top prospect's development so he can sit the bench for two weeks in the majors, but I also want shiny new toys.
Quote from: SKO on April 28, 2016, 12:29:01 PM
Montero to the DL, some asswipe who isn't Contreras up. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-cubs-to-place-miguel-montero-on-dl-20160428-story.html)
I mean I get not wanting to interrupt your top prospect's development so he can sit the bench for two weeks in the majors, but I also want shiny new toys.
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2016, 07:34:34 PM
Probably doesn't deserve his own thread yet, but Matt Szczur deserves some love for turning himself from basically a non-prospect into a useful 4th-5th outfielder. Sounds like he's worked hard to revamp his swing and add power, plus develop a bit of plate discipline. Who knows how long it'll last, but good for him.
Quote from: PANK! on April 29, 2016, 10:41:33 PMQuote from: Eli on April 29, 2016, 07:34:34 PM
Probably doesn't deserve his own thread yet, but Matt Szczur deserves some love for turning himself from basically a non-prospect into a useful 4th-5th outfielder. Sounds like he's worked hard to revamp his swing and add power, plus develop a bit of plate discipline. Who knows how long it'll last, but good for him.
Well put.
I also wonder how much credit Maddon gets. I mean, I know that kinda shit can easily get overblown but Joe does seem to make full use of the 25-man roster. To his credit, though, Szczur seems to have taken full advantage. Good on him--he actually might end up proving for have more value to the Cubs as a player than he would as trade bait--which I assume is still kinda low.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2016, 11:08:16 PMQuote from: PANK! on April 29, 2016, 10:41:33 PMQuote from: Eli on April 29, 2016, 07:34:34 PM
Probably doesn't deserve his own thread yet, but Matt Szczur deserves some love for turning himself from basically a non-prospect into a useful 4th-5th outfielder. Sounds like he's worked hard to revamp his swing and add power, plus develop a bit of plate discipline. Who knows how long it'll last, but good for him.
Well put.
I also wonder how much credit Maddon gets. I mean, I know that kinda shit can easily get overblown but Joe does seem to make full use of the 25-man roster. To his credit, though, Szczur seems to have taken full advantage. Good on him--he actually might end up proving for have more value to the Cubs as a player than he would as trade bait--which I assume is still kinda low.
I'm all in on this dude right now. I love watching this.
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2016, 07:34:34 PM
Probably doesn't deserve his own thread yet, but Matt Szczur deserves some love for turning himself from basically a non-prospect into a useful 4th-5th outfielder. Sounds like he's worked hard to revamp his swing and add power, plus develop a bit of plate discipline. Who knows how long it'll last, but good for him.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2016, 11:08:49 PMQuote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2016, 11:08:16 PMQuote from: PANK! on April 29, 2016, 10:41:33 PMQuote from: Eli on April 29, 2016, 07:34:34 PM
Probably doesn't deserve his own thread yet, but Matt Szczur deserves some love for turning himself from basically a non-prospect into a useful 4th-5th outfielder. Sounds like he's worked hard to revamp his swing and add power, plus develop a bit of plate discipline. Who knows how long it'll last, but good for him.
Well put.
I also wonder how much credit Maddon gets. I mean, I know that kinda shit can easily get overblown but Joe does seem to make full use of the 25-man roster. To his credit, though, Szczur seems to have taken full advantage. Good on him--he actually might end up proving for have more value to the Cubs as a player than he would as trade bait--which I assume is still kinda low.
I'm all in on this dude right now. I love watching this.
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Quote from: InternetApex on April 30, 2016, 07:05:25 PMQuote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2016, 11:08:49 PMQuote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2016, 11:08:16 PMQuote from: PANK! on April 29, 2016, 10:41:33 PMQuote from: Eli on April 29, 2016, 07:34:34 PM
Probably doesn't deserve his own thread yet, but Matt Szczur deserves some love for turning himself from basically a non-prospect into a useful 4th-5th outfielder. Sounds like he's worked hard to revamp his swing and add power, plus develop a bit of plate discipline. Who knows how long it'll last, but good for him.
Well put.
I also wonder how much credit Maddon gets. I mean, I know that kinda shit can easily get overblown but Joe does seem to make full use of the 25-man roster. To his credit, though, Szczur seems to have taken full advantage. Good on him--he actually might end up proving for have more value to the Cubs as a player than he would as trade bait--which I assume is still kinda low.
I'm all in on this dude right now. I love watching this.
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I laughed so hard.
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Quote from: Grandmaster Wang on May 03, 2016, 05:33:39 AM
They've scored 146 runs on 341 total bases. Or in other words, 42.8% of their total bases have resulted in runs.
That's... uh... pretty good?
Quote from: Canadouche on May 03, 2016, 08:34:03 AM
At the 16 game point, I like to look at the standings because it projects to a 162 game season. I know, it's totally pointless, but I've looked at the standings in this way since I was a kid. The Cubs were 12-4, or on pace for a 120 win season.
To maintain this pace, they will need to go 6-2 in their next 8 games. I think it's actually possible.
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2016, 07:34:34 PM
Probably doesn't deserve his own thread yet, but Matt Szczur deserves some love for turning himself from basically a non-prospect into a useful 4th-5th outfielder. Sounds like he's worked hard to revamp his swing and add power, plus develop a bit of plate discipline. Who knows how long it'll last, but good for him.
QuoteCongrats and welcome back to the bigs @Ryan_Kalish ! Unbelievable commitment, hard work, and belief in yourself to get back. #nevergiveup
Quote from: Yeti on May 03, 2016, 10:49:00 AMQuote from: Eli on April 29, 2016, 07:34:34 PM
Probably doesn't deserve his own thread yet, but Matt Szczur deserves some love for turning himself from basically a non-prospect into a useful 4th-5th outfielder. Sounds like he's worked hard to revamp his swing and add power, plus develop a bit of plate discipline. Who knows how long it'll last, but good for him.
Way to jinx him. (https://twitter.com/Mark_Pieper/status/727507589785866241)QuoteCongrats and welcome back to the bigs @Ryan_Kalish ! Unbelievable commitment, hard work, and belief in yourself to get back. #nevergiveup
Assume that means Szczur is DLing
Quote from: Eli on May 03, 2016, 11:16:10 AMQuote from: Yeti on May 03, 2016, 10:49:00 AMQuote from: Eli on April 29, 2016, 07:34:34 PM
Probably doesn't deserve his own thread yet, but Matt Szczur deserves some love for turning himself from basically a non-prospect into a useful 4th-5th outfielder. Sounds like he's worked hard to revamp his swing and add power, plus develop a bit of plate discipline. Who knows how long it'll last, but good for him.
Way to jinx him. (https://twitter.com/Mark_Pieper/status/727507589785866241)QuoteCongrats and welcome back to the bigs @Ryan_Kalish ! Unbelievable commitment, hard work, and belief in yourself to get back. #nevergiveup
Assume that means Szczur is DLing
Probably doesn't deserve his own thread yet, butMatt SzczurRyan Kalish deserves some love for turning himself from basically a non-prospect into a useful 4th-5th outfielder. Sounds like he's worked hard torevamp his swing and add powerdo some things, plus developa bit of plate disciplinesome other things. Who knows how long it'll last, but good for him.
Quote from: SKO on May 03, 2016, 11:50:07 AMQuote from: Eli on May 03, 2016, 11:16:10 AMQuote from: Yeti on May 03, 2016, 10:49:00 AMQuote from: Eli on April 29, 2016, 07:34:34 PM
Probably doesn't deserve his own thread yet, but Matt Szczur deserves some love for turning himself from basically a non-prospect into a useful 4th-5th outfielder. Sounds like he's worked hard to revamp his swing and add power, plus develop a bit of plate discipline. Who knows how long it'll last, but good for him.
Way to jinx him. (https://twitter.com/Mark_Pieper/status/727507589785866241)QuoteCongrats and welcome back to the bigs @Ryan_Kalish ! Unbelievable commitment, hard work, and belief in yourself to get back. #nevergiveup
Assume that means Szczur is DLing
Probably doesn't deserve his own thread yet, butMatt SzczurRyan Kalish deserves some love for turning himself from basically a non-prospect into a useful 4th-5th outfielder. Sounds like he's worked hard torevamp his swing and add powerdo some things, plus developa bit of plate disciplinesome other things. Who knows how long it'll last, but good for him.
Hell where's Ruggiano now? Let's get the whole 2014 band back together.
Quote from: Canadouche on May 03, 2016, 12:03:20 PMQuote from: SKO on May 03, 2016, 11:50:07 AMQuote from: Eli on May 03, 2016, 11:16:10 AMQuote from: Yeti on May 03, 2016, 10:49:00 AMQuote from: Eli on April 29, 2016, 07:34:34 PM
Probably doesn't deserve his own thread yet, but Matt Szczur deserves some love for turning himself from basically a non-prospect into a useful 4th-5th outfielder. Sounds like he's worked hard to revamp his swing and add power, plus develop a bit of plate discipline. Who knows how long it'll last, but good for him.
Way to jinx him. (https://twitter.com/Mark_Pieper/status/727507589785866241)QuoteCongrats and welcome back to the bigs @Ryan_Kalish ! Unbelievable commitment, hard work, and belief in yourself to get back. #nevergiveup
Assume that means Szczur is DLing
Probably doesn't deserve his own thread yet, butMatt SzczurRyan Kalish deserves some love for turning himself from basically a non-prospect into a useful 4th-5th outfielder. Sounds like he's worked hard torevamp his swing and add powerdo some things, plus developa bit of plate disciplinesome other things. Who knows how long it'll last, but good for him.
Hell where's Ruggiano now? Let's get the whole 2014 band back together.
He's probably coaching high school baseball somewhere, or running a dealership, and blowing off Pen which is where he belongs.
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Maybe next time, Pissburgh. 20-6, 6 games up on 2nd place, 7 up on STL (7 and 8 if you go by loss column). Hot damn.
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Maybe next time, Pissburgh. 20-6, 6 games up on 2nd place, 7 up on STL (7 and 8 if you go by loss column). Hot damn.
Quote from: ChuckD on May 04, 2016, 04:17:57 PMQuote from: SKO on May 04, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Maybe next time, Pissburgh. 20-6, 6 games up on 2nd place, 7 up on STL (7 and 8 if you go by loss column). Hot damn.
They scored 6 runs today. And their RS/g went down...
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 04, 2016, 04:11:51 PMQuote from: SKO on May 04, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Maybe next time, Pissburgh. 20-6, 6 games up on 2nd place, 7 up on STL (7 and 8 if you go by loss column). Hot damn.
Captain Butthurt Sean Rodriguez will make a perfect Cardinal someday.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 04, 2016, 04:28:48 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 04, 2016, 04:11:51 PMQuote from: SKO on May 04, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Maybe next time, Pissburgh. 20-6, 6 games up on 2nd place, 7 up on STL (7 and 8 if you go by loss column). Hot damn.
Captain Butthurt Sean Rodriguez will make a perfect Cardinal someday.
That or a blockbuster, winter-clinching signing but the White Sox.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 04, 2016, 04:29:59 PMQuote from: InternetApex on May 04, 2016, 04:28:48 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 04, 2016, 04:11:51 PMQuote from: SKO on May 04, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Maybe next time, Pissburgh. 20-6, 6 games up on 2nd place, 7 up on STL (7 and 8 if you go by loss column). Hot damn.
Captain Butthurt Sean Rodriguez will make a perfect Cardinal someday.
That or a blockbuster, winter-clinching signing but the White Sox.
If he had gone out to the mound after Strop he would have been a chalk outline.
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2016, 04:27:57 PMQuote from: ChuckD on May 04, 2016, 04:17:57 PMQuote from: SKO on May 04, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Maybe next time, Pissburgh. 20-6, 6 games up on 2nd place, 7 up on STL (7 and 8 if you go by loss column). Hot damn.
They scored 6 runs today. And their RS/g went down...
Still underperforming their Pythagorean and BaseRuns records, I believe. #FireMadstink.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 04, 2016, 04:39:00 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 04, 2016, 04:29:59 PMQuote from: InternetApex on May 04, 2016, 04:28:48 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 04, 2016, 04:11:51 PMQuote from: SKO on May 04, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Maybe next time, Pissburgh. 20-6, 6 games up on 2nd place, 7 up on STL (7 and 8 if you go by loss column). Hot damn.
Captain Butthurt Sean Rodriguez will make a perfect Cardinal someday.
That or a blockbuster, winter-clinching signing but the White Sox.
If he had gone out to the mound after Strop he would have been a chalk outline.
I missed that inning. What I made out on Twitter was that Strop quick-pitched him and Rodriguez got upset. What did he do?
Quote from: flannj on May 04, 2016, 05:02:40 PMQuote from: InternetApex on May 04, 2016, 04:39:00 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 04, 2016, 04:29:59 PMQuote from: InternetApex on May 04, 2016, 04:28:48 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 04, 2016, 04:11:51 PMQuote from: SKO on May 04, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Maybe next time, Pissburgh. 20-6, 6 games up on 2nd place, 7 up on STL (7 and 8 if you go by loss column). Hot damn.
Captain Butthurt Sean Rodriguez will make a perfect Cardinal someday.
That or a blockbuster, winter-clinching signing but the White Sox.
If he had gone out to the mound after Strop he would have been a chalk outline.
I missed that inning. What I made out on Twitter was that Strop quick-pitched him and Rodriguez got upset. What did he do?
Yeah he quick pitched him but not as outright as he's done before.
Rodriguez stared him down because he's a punk.
Strop was kind of surprised so the Cub's dugout let Rodriguez have it.
Rodriguez acted out while still standing in the box and the ump had to tell him to sit down before he gets tossed.
Rodriguez went back to the bench and did his regular I'llcutyoumotherfuckerroutine.
But more maturely than in the past without punching a Gatorade Jug.
Strop then pitched to the next batter while everyone laughed.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 04, 2016, 05:44:46 PMQuote from: flannj on May 04, 2016, 05:02:40 PMQuote from: InternetApex on May 04, 2016, 04:39:00 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 04, 2016, 04:29:59 PMQuote from: InternetApex on May 04, 2016, 04:28:48 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 04, 2016, 04:11:51 PMQuote from: SKO on May 04, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Maybe next time, Pissburgh. 20-6, 6 games up on 2nd place, 7 up on STL (7 and 8 if you go by loss column). Hot damn.
Captain Butthurt Sean Rodriguez will make a perfect Cardinal someday.
That or a blockbuster, winter-clinching signing but the White Sox.
If he had gone out to the mound after Strop he would have been a chalk outline.
I missed that inning. What I made out on Twitter was that Strop quick-pitched him and Rodriguez got upset. What did he do?
Yeah he quick pitched him but not as outright as he's done before.
Rodriguez stared him down because he's a punk.
Strop was kind of surprised so the Cub's dugout let Rodriguez have it.
Rodriguez acted out while still standing in the box and the ump had to tell him to sit down before he gets tossed.
Rodriguez went back to the bench and did his regular I'llcutyoumotherfuckerroutine.
But more maturely than in the past without punching a Gatorade Jug.
Strop then pitched to the next batter while everyone laughed.
Glad to see the Pirates have picked up the 2004 Cubs tactic of yelling at the team that's stomping a mud hole in your ass inside your own ballpark.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 04, 2016, 06:07:27 PMQuote from: InternetApex on May 04, 2016, 05:44:46 PMQuote from: flannj on May 04, 2016, 05:02:40 PMQuote from: InternetApex on May 04, 2016, 04:39:00 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 04, 2016, 04:29:59 PMQuote from: InternetApex on May 04, 2016, 04:28:48 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 04, 2016, 04:11:51 PMQuote from: SKO on May 04, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Maybe next time, Pissburgh. 20-6, 6 games up on 2nd place, 7 up on STL (7 and 8 if you go by loss column). Hot damn.
Captain Butthurt Sean Rodriguez will make a perfect Cardinal someday.
That or a blockbuster, winter-clinching signing but the White Sox.
If he had gone out to the mound after Strop he would have been a chalk outline.
I missed that inning. What I made out on Twitter was that Strop quick-pitched him and Rodriguez got upset. What did he do?
Yeah he quick pitched him but not as outright as he's done before.
Rodriguez stared him down because he's a punk.
Strop was kind of surprised so the Cub's dugout let Rodriguez have it.
Rodriguez acted out while still standing in the box and the ump had to tell him to sit down before he gets tossed.
Rodriguez went back to the bench and did his regular I'llcutyoumotherfuckerroutine.
But more maturely than in the past without punching a Gatorade Jug.
Strop then pitched to the next batter while everyone laughed.
Glad to see the Pirates have picked up the 2004 Cubs tactic of yelling at the team that's stomping a mud hole in your ass inside your own ballpark.
Sean Rodriguez must look like Bizarro Zobrist to Joe.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 04, 2016, 11:06:48 PM
Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pittsburgh. Fucking sweep the fucking Pirates in Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pittsburgh. Such a beautiful ballpark wasted on such a cheap franchise in Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pittsburgh. Eat one of their stupid sandwiches with fries and slaw while watching the Cubs sweep in Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pittsburgh.
Enough Pittsburgh for everyone? God the last 5 games the Cubs have played there have been so, so, so much fun.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 05, 2016, 02:59:45 AMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 04, 2016, 11:06:48 PM
Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pittsburgh. Fucking sweep the fucking Pirates in Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pittsburgh. Such a beautiful ballpark wasted on such a cheap franchise in Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pittsburgh. Eat one of their stupid sandwiches with fries and slaw while watching the Cubs sweep in Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pittsburgh.
Enough Pittsburgh for everyone? God the last 5 games the Cubs have played there have been so, so, so much fun.
Are you having a stroke stroke stroke?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 05, 2016, 08:13:14 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 05, 2016, 02:59:45 AMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 04, 2016, 11:06:48 PM
Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pittsburgh. Fucking sweep the fucking Pirates in Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pittsburgh. Such a beautiful ballpark wasted on such a cheap franchise in Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pittsburgh. Eat one of their stupid sandwiches with fries and slaw while watching the Cubs sweep in Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pittsburgh.
Enough Pittsburgh for everyone? God the last 5 games the Cubs have played there have been so, so, so much fun.
Are you having a stroke stroke stroke?
I think we were all doing a lot of stroking during this series, to be fair.
Quote from: Grandmaster Wang on May 05, 2016, 12:55:29 PM
So. Chris Bosio and John Mallee: Legitimate Heroes who, at least for the time being, are criminally unsung? Or a couple of dudes whose stars are hitched to the right wagon at the right time?
I know I'd like to think they're the former, and that they'll eventually get their share of dong slobber as This Fucking Team continues the march to their destiny. But hell if I know, so I'm asking. How much credit do they deserve? I mean, I don't think the striking out less and walking more is any accident, but is that something Mallee is making happen, or is it just the natural progression of a bunch of super-talented young players? Meantime, to my untrained eye, it sure seems like Bosio's impact is a whole lot more obviously apparent. But again, I'm just a jackass who watches on tee vee, so what the hell do I know? I WANT TO BELIEVE that these guys are every bit the studs as the guys who take the field on a daily basis.
Maybe I'm just looking for confirmation that his here competence porn we're witnessing right about now is what I'm starting to think it is: 100% through and through. Front to back, top to bottom, inside and out. It is, right? RIGHT???
Quote from: PANK! on May 05, 2016, 01:24:04 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on May 05, 2016, 12:55:29 PM
So. Chris Bosio and John Mallee: Legitimate Heroes who, at least for the time being, are criminally unsung? Or a couple of dudes whose stars are hitched to the right wagon at the right time?
I know I'd like to think they're the former, and that they'll eventually get their share of dong slobber as This Fucking Team continues the march to their destiny. But hell if I know, so I'm asking. How much credit do they deserve? I mean, I don't think the striking out less and walking more is any accident, but is that something Mallee is making happen, or is it just the natural progression of a bunch of super-talented young players? Meantime, to my untrained eye, it sure seems like Bosio's impact is a whole lot more obviously apparent. But again, I'm just a jackass who watches on tee vee, so what the hell do I know? I WANT TO BELIEVE that these guys are every bit the studs as the guys who take the field on a daily basis.
Maybe I'm just looking for confirmation that his here competence porn we're witnessing right about now is what I'm starting to think it is: 100% through and through. Front to back, top to bottom, inside and out. It is, right? RIGHT???
I definitely feel Bosio deserves credit for his work, but that the jury is out on Mallee. With the latter, he's been handed some major blue-chip offensive talent. However, I'd be willing to give him some credit for Baez if Javy keeps it up.
Quote from: Tonker on May 05, 2016, 01:43:18 PMQuote from: PANK! on May 05, 2016, 01:24:04 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on May 05, 2016, 12:55:29 PM
So. Chris Bosio and John Mallee: Legitimate Heroes who, at least for the time being, are criminally unsung? Or a couple of dudes whose stars are hitched to the right wagon at the right time?
I know I'd like to think they're the former, and that they'll eventually get their share of dong slobber as This Fucking Team continues the march to their destiny. But hell if I know, so I'm asking. How much credit do they deserve? I mean, I don't think the striking out less and walking more is any accident, but is that something Mallee is making happen, or is it just the natural progression of a bunch of super-talented young players? Meantime, to my untrained eye, it sure seems like Bosio's impact is a whole lot more obviously apparent. But again, I'm just a jackass who watches on tee vee, so what the hell do I know? I WANT TO BELIEVE that these guys are every bit the studs as the guys who take the field on a daily basis.
Maybe I'm just looking for confirmation that his here competence porn we're witnessing right about now is what I'm starting to think it is: 100% through and through. Front to back, top to bottom, inside and out. It is, right? RIGHT???
I definitely feel Bosio deserves credit for his work, but that the jury is out on Mallee. With the latter, he's been handed some major blue-chip offensive talent. However, I'd be willing to give him some credit for Baez if Javy keeps it up.
I think the answer is that the organisation has an incredibly sound and cutting-edge strategy which has been handed down and made absolutely clear to some very good coaches throughout the organisation, who are working with some extremely talented and smart athletes.
Quote from: PANK! on May 05, 2016, 01:24:04 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on May 05, 2016, 12:55:29 PM
So. Chris Bosio and John Mallee: Legitimate Heroes who, at least for the time being, are criminally unsung? Or a couple of dudes whose stars are hitched to the right wagon at the right time?
I know I'd like to think they're the former, and that they'll eventually get their share of dong slobber as This Fucking Team continues the march to their destiny. But hell if I know, so I'm asking. How much credit do they deserve? I mean, I don't think the striking out less and walking more is any accident, but is that something Mallee is making happen, or is it just the natural progression of a bunch of super-talented young players? Meantime, to my untrained eye, it sure seems like Bosio's impact is a whole lot more obviously apparent. But again, I'm just a jackass who watches on tee vee, so what the hell do I know? I WANT TO BELIEVE that these guys are every bit the studs as the guys who take the field on a daily basis.
Maybe I'm just looking for confirmation that his here competence porn we're witnessing right about now is what I'm starting to think it is: 100% through and through. Front to back, top to bottom, inside and out. It is, right? RIGHT???
I definitely feel Bosio deserves credit for his work, but that the jury is out on Mallee. With the latter, he's been handed some major blue-chip offensive talent. However, I'd be willing to give him some credit for Baez if Javy keeps it up.
Quote from: Tonker on May 05, 2016, 01:43:18 PMQuote from: PANK! on May 05, 2016, 01:24:04 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on May 05, 2016, 12:55:29 PM
So. Chris Bosio and John Mallee: Legitimate Heroes who, at least for the time being, are criminally unsung? Or a couple of dudes whose stars are hitched to the right wagon at the right time?
I know I'd like to think they're the former, and that they'll eventually get their share of dong slobber as This Fucking Team continues the march to their destiny. But hell if I know, so I'm asking. How much credit do they deserve? I mean, I don't think the striking out less and walking more is any accident, but is that something Mallee is making happen, or is it just the natural progression of a bunch of super-talented young players? Meantime, to my untrained eye, it sure seems like Bosio's impact is a whole lot more obviously apparent. But again, I'm just a jackass who watches on tee vee, so what the hell do I know? I WANT TO BELIEVE that these guys are every bit the studs as the guys who take the field on a daily basis.
Maybe I'm just looking for confirmation that his here competence porn we're witnessing right about now is what I'm starting to think it is: 100% through and through. Front to back, top to bottom, inside and out. It is, right? RIGHT???
I definitely feel Bosio deserves credit for his work, but that the jury is out on Mallee. With the latter, he's been handed some major blue-chip offensive talent. However, I'd be willing to give him some credit for Baez if Javy keeps it up.
I think the answer is that the organisation has an incredibly sound and cutting-edge strategy which has been handed down and made absolutely clear to some very good coaches throughout the organisation, who are working with some extremely talented and smart athletes.
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2016, 02:03:18 PMQuote from: PANK! on May 05, 2016, 01:24:04 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on May 05, 2016, 12:55:29 PM
So. Chris Bosio and John Mallee: Legitimate Heroes who, at least for the time being, are criminally unsung? Or a couple of dudes whose stars are hitched to the right wagon at the right time?
I know I'd like to think they're the former, and that they'll eventually get their share of dong slobber as This Fucking Team continues the march to their destiny. But hell if I know, so I'm asking. How much credit do they deserve? I mean, I don't think the striking out less and walking more is any accident, but is that something Mallee is making happen, or is it just the natural progression of a bunch of super-talented young players? Meantime, to my untrained eye, it sure seems like Bosio's impact is a whole lot more obviously apparent. But again, I'm just a jackass who watches on tee vee, so what the hell do I know? I WANT TO BELIEVE that these guys are every bit the studs as the guys who take the field on a daily basis.
Maybe I'm just looking for confirmation that his here competence porn we're witnessing right about now is what I'm starting to think it is: 100% through and through. Front to back, top to bottom, inside and out. It is, right? RIGHT???
I definitely feel Bosio deserves credit for his work, but that the jury is out on Mallee. With the latter, he's been handed some major blue-chip offensive talent. However, I'd be willing to give him some credit for Baez if Javy keeps it up.
Yeah I'm not sure how much of what this team has done offensively is just talent and the natural evolution of rookies into veterans, but I'm willing to give Mallee at least some credit for Kris Bryant leveling his swing path and suddenly becoming a guy who only strikes out 20% of the time and has seen considerable improvement in his contact rate. I expect some more of those insane homer binges of his as the weather warms up and we might start to see him realize that 40 homer potential since he's vastly improved his only weakness. Even Peck himself might agree that Bryant is better than the great Matt Carpenter at this point.
Russell also has completely reinvented himself and now walks almost as much as he K's. He's got a .356 OBP despite a .224 BA, and I don't expect his average to stay down there very long. Some of that's probably attributable to him batting ahead of the pitcher's spot but there's a reason not every #8 hitter has a .356 OBP.
I'd say considering every single hitter in the lineup, starter or bench (even Jorge, who is also walking more and striking out less despite his other issues) has the same patient, discipline approach it's probably fair to give at least some of the credit to Mallee.
I guess Javy's not real patient but he's also not striking out 40% of the time so that counts, too.
Quote from: Bort on May 04, 2016, 04:53:04 PM
This fucking team.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 05, 2016, 05:43:02 PM
Memo to Dusty: Please continue batting the pitcher's spot, Michael Taylor (2016 OBP: .221 / Career: .272) and Anthony Rendon (2016 OBP: .297 / Career: .340) in front of Bryce Harper instead of Daniel Murphy (.449 / .334), Wilson Ramos (.373 / .303), or Ryan Zimmerman (.330 / .348) for at least the rest of this series. Thanks.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 05, 2016, 09:57:34 PM
Jayson Werth is this year's frontrunner for the Gregory Polanco Outstanding Achievement in Outfielding Award.
Quote from: ChuckD on May 08, 2016, 10:36:29 AM
Heh. (http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-mlb-predictions/)
Quote from: PenFoe on May 09, 2016, 11:54:50 AM
My guess is that this has already been done somewhere and I wasted a whole bunch of time, but wanted to see how the 2016 Cubs ranked through 30 games against the best teams ever.
Answer: Pretty well.
(http://i.imgur.com/ufDstF8.png)
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 09, 2016, 12:02:04 PMQuote from: PenFoe on May 09, 2016, 11:54:50 AM
My guess is that this has already been done somewhere and I wasted a whole bunch of time, but wanted to see how the 2016 Cubs ranked through 30 games against the best teams ever.
Answer: Pretty well.
(http://i.imgur.com/ufDstF8.png)
What's the latest point in the season any team has lost its 10th game? The Cubs are currently on track to make it to 50.
Quote from: Canadouche on May 09, 2016, 12:11:31 PM
Sorry to give you more work, but how about the '86 Cokeheads?
Quote from: PenFoe on May 09, 2016, 12:15:53 PMQuote from: Canadouche on May 09, 2016, 12:11:31 PM
Sorry to give you more work, but how about the '86 Cokeheads?
Through 30:
1986 Mets 147 96 51 22-8
Quote from: Slaky on May 09, 2016, 01:13:24 PMQuote from: PenFoe on May 09, 2016, 12:15:53 PMQuote from: Canadouche on May 09, 2016, 12:11:31 PM
Sorry to give you more work, but how about the '86 Cokeheads?
Through 30:
1986 Mets 147 96 51 22-8
And just for fun, if Buckner didn't fuck up...god damn baseball. It's so hard.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 09, 2016, 01:53:39 PMQuote from: Slaky on May 09, 2016, 01:13:24 PMQuote from: PenFoe on May 09, 2016, 12:15:53 PMQuote from: Canadouche on May 09, 2016, 12:11:31 PM
Sorry to give you more work, but how about the '86 Cokeheads?
Through 30:
1986 Mets 147 96 51 22-8
And just for fun, if Buckner didn't fuck up...god damn baseball. It's so hard.
He was supposed to fuck up in 1984, but the Cubs traded him away, so Leon Durham fucked up instead. So that grounder followed Buckner for 2 more years.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 09, 2016, 02:23:22 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 09, 2016, 01:53:39 PMQuote from: Slaky on May 09, 2016, 01:13:24 PMQuote from: PenFoe on May 09, 2016, 12:15:53 PMQuote from: Canadouche on May 09, 2016, 12:11:31 PM
Sorry to give you more work, but how about the '86 Cokeheads?
Through 30:
1986 Mets 147 96 51 22-8
And just for fun, if Buckner didn't fuck up...god damn baseball. It's so hard.
He was supposed to fuck up in 1984, but the Cubs traded him away, so Leon Durham fucked up instead. So that grounder followed Buckner for 2 more years.
There are photos showing that he wore a Cubs' batting glove under his mitt in that game. So, yes... he was as cursed a ballplayer as ever there was.
http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=lukas/061018
Quote from: PenFoe on May 09, 2016, 02:56:53 PMQuote from: InternetApex on May 09, 2016, 02:23:22 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 09, 2016, 01:53:39 PMQuote from: Slaky on May 09, 2016, 01:13:24 PMQuote from: PenFoe on May 09, 2016, 12:15:53 PMQuote from: Canadouche on May 09, 2016, 12:11:31 PM
Sorry to give you more work, but how about the '86 Cokeheads?
Through 30:
1986 Mets 147 96 51 22-8
And just for fun, if Buckner didn't fuck up...god damn baseball. It's so hard.
He was supposed to fuck up in 1984, but the Cubs traded him away, so Leon Durham fucked up instead. So that grounder followed Buckner for 2 more years.
There are photos showing that he wore a Cubs' batting glove under his mitt in that game. So, yes... he was as cursed a ballplayer as ever there was.
http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=lukas/061018
I think I've mentioned before that my old college roommate works for MLB Network, but I was texting him the table (because he's a Mets fan and fuck him) and they got their guys on it.
The 2016 Cubs have the highest run differential through 30 games in the World Series Era. Here's the top 4.
(http://i.imgur.com/NSjNJOXl.jpg)
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2016, 12:15:49 PM
Tanner Roe-Wark (Copyright, Ron Coomer) is feeling the butthurt (https://mobile.twitter.com/chelsea_janes/status/729461168142725121) about the Cubs walking Harper: "I think it's scared baseball."
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2016, 07:28:37 PM
Just got an MLB alert that Strasburg and the Nationals have agreed on a 7-year, $175MM extension. With him off the market does this change anything in the Arrieta negotiations/non-negotiations for the Cubs? I wonder if Strasburg might have been a top target for Theo and Jed. Obviously it doesn't make Jake any younger, but maybe they'd be more willing to come closer to the number of years he wants now.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 05:15:28 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2016, 07:28:37 PM
Just got an MLB alert that Strasburg and the Nationals have agreed on a 7-year, $175MM extension. With him off the market does this change anything in the Arrieta negotiations/non-negotiations for the Cubs? I wonder if Strasburg might have been a top target for Theo and Jed. Obviously it doesn't make Jake any younger, but maybe they'd be more willing to come closer to the number of years he wants now.
Not sure Jed & Theo would ever go long and heavy on any starting pitcher that has Dusty's fingerprints on him.
But I can't imagine Boras not wanting to test the open market.
Quote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 07:23:02 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 05:15:28 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2016, 07:28:37 PM
Just got an MLB alert that Strasburg and the Nationals have agreed on a 7-year, $175MM extension. With him off the market does this change anything in the Arrieta negotiations/non-negotiations for the Cubs? I wonder if Strasburg might have been a top target for Theo and Jed. Obviously it doesn't make Jake any younger, but maybe they'd be more willing to come closer to the number of years he wants now.
Not sure Jed & Theo would ever go long and heavy on any starting pitcher that has Dusty's fingerprints on him.
But I can't imagine Boras not wanting to test the open market.
This is funny because Strasburg is a Boras client.
Quote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 07:23:02 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 05:15:28 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2016, 07:28:37 PM
Just got an MLB alert that Strasburg and the Nationals have agreed on a 7-year, $175MM extension. With him off the market does this change anything in the Arrieta negotiations/non-negotiations for the Cubs? I wonder if Strasburg might have been a top target for Theo and Jed. Obviously it doesn't make Jake any younger, but maybe they'd be more willing to come closer to the number of years he wants now.
Not sure Jed & Theo would ever go long and heavy on any starting pitcher that has Dusty's fingerprints on him.
But I can't imagine Boras not wanting to test the open market.
This is funny because Strasburg is a Boras client.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 08:23:11 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 07:23:02 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 05:15:28 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2016, 07:28:37 PM
Just got an MLB alert that Strasburg and the Nationals have agreed on a 7-year, $175MM extension. With him off the market does this change anything in the Arrieta negotiations/non-negotiations for the Cubs? I wonder if Strasburg might have been a top target for Theo and Jed. Obviously it doesn't make Jake any younger, but maybe they'd be more willing to come closer to the number of years he wants now.
Not sure Jed & Theo would ever go long and heavy on any starting pitcher that has Dusty's fingerprints on him.
But I can't imagine Boras not wanting to test the open market.
This is funny because Strasburg is a Boras client.
Yeah, but do you think Jake doesn't get at least 7/210 on the open market? That's a pretty big jump from Strasburg's deal.
Quote from: Canadouche on May 10, 2016, 09:24:34 AM
So, how much money should the Cubs spend on Arrieta?
It's not my money, except for the cash they collect in jersey, ticket, and concession purchases, but I wouldn't have a problem with Arrieta receiving a similar length and similar, if not slightly more, pay.
Quote from: Eli on May 10, 2016, 09:51:13 AMQuote from: Canadouche on May 10, 2016, 09:24:34 AM
So, how much money should the Cubs spend on Arrieta?
It's not my money, except for the cash they collect in jersey, ticket, and concession purchases, but I wouldn't have a problem with Arrieta receiving a similar length and similar, if not slightly more, pay.
I'd be fine extending him until he's 35 or so. Not so excited to get into his later 30s with a huge contract.
On the other hand, for as awesome as the whole organization has become, the minor leagues are still pretty barren in terms of pitching talent. I don't know that there are more than 2-3 guys who have a reasonable shot at sticking in a rotation long-term. That might make them more eager to keep Arrieta around.
Quote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 08:28:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 08:23:11 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 07:23:02 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 05:15:28 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2016, 07:28:37 PM
Just got an MLB alert that Strasburg and the Nationals have agreed on a 7-year, $175MM extension. With him off the market does this change anything in the Arrieta negotiations/non-negotiations for the Cubs? I wonder if Strasburg might have been a top target for Theo and Jed. Obviously it doesn't make Jake any younger, but maybe they'd be more willing to come closer to the number of years he wants now.
Not sure Jed & Theo would ever go long and heavy on any starting pitcher that has Dusty's fingerprints on him.
But I can't imagine Boras not wanting to test the open market.
This is funny because Strasburg is a Boras client.
Yeah, but do you think Jake doesn't get at least 7/210 on the open market? That's a pretty big jump from Strasburg's deal.
Depends. Both have their knocks. Strasburg is younger than Arrieta, he's also had TJS. Arrieta is potentially less of an injury risk but then he's also going to be on the wrong side of 30 and has had only one full season.
Quote from: Eli on May 10, 2016, 09:51:13 AMQuote from: Canadouche on May 10, 2016, 09:24:34 AM
So, how much money should the Cubs spend on Arrieta?
It's not my money, except for the cash they collect in jersey, ticket, and concession purchases, but I wouldn't have a problem with Arrieta receiving a similar length and similar, if not slightly more, pay.
I'd be fine extending him until he's 35 or so. Not so excited to get into his later 30s with a huge contract.
On the other hand, for as awesome as the whole organization has become, the minor leagues are still pretty barren in terms of pitching talent. I don't know that there are more than 2-3 guys who have a reasonable shot at sticking in a rotation long-term. That might make them more eager to keep Arrieta around.
Quote from: Oleg on May 10, 2016, 10:46:18 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 08:28:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 08:23:11 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 07:23:02 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 05:15:28 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2016, 07:28:37 PM
Just got an MLB alert that Strasburg and the Nationals have agreed on a 7-year, $175MM extension. With him off the market does this change anything in the Arrieta negotiations/non-negotiations for the Cubs? I wonder if Strasburg might have been a top target for Theo and Jed. Obviously it doesn't make Jake any younger, but maybe they'd be more willing to come closer to the number of years he wants now.
Not sure Jed & Theo would ever go long and heavy on any starting pitcher that has Dusty's fingerprints on him.
But I can't imagine Boras not wanting to test the open market.
This is funny because Strasburg is a Boras client.
Yeah, but do you think Jake doesn't get at least 7/210 on the open market? That's a pretty big jump from Strasburg's deal.
Depends. Both have their knocks. Strasburg is younger than Arrieta, he's also had TJS. Arrieta is potentially less of an injury risk but then he's also going to be on the wrong side of 30 and has had only one full season.
I have no idea what the motivation is for Strasburg to sign that deal a mere 4 months ahead of free agency. That seems weird. But, he has two opt outs including the first one after his age-31 season, or the age Arrieta will be when he hits free agency. I have no idea how the contract is structured but, assuming he rakes in a cool 75 mil and has the opportunity to hit free agency again at 31? If Arrieta is good for 7/210, would Strasburg come close? So, that would make it a 10-year/$285mm in earnings. I don't think Arrieta is getting anywhere near that.
I guess, in other words, this is probably a bad comp for the Arrieta negotiations.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 10, 2016, 11:24:43 AMQuote from: Oleg on May 10, 2016, 10:46:18 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 08:28:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 08:23:11 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 07:23:02 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 05:15:28 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2016, 07:28:37 PM
Just got an MLB alert that Strasburg and the Nationals have agreed on a 7-year, $175MM extension. With him off the market does this change anything in the Arrieta negotiations/non-negotiations for the Cubs? I wonder if Strasburg might have been a top target for Theo and Jed. Obviously it doesn't make Jake any younger, but maybe they'd be more willing to come closer to the number of years he wants now.
Not sure Jed & Theo would ever go long and heavy on any starting pitcher that has Dusty's fingerprints on him.
But I can't imagine Boras not wanting to test the open market.
This is funny because Strasburg is a Boras client.
Yeah, but do you think Jake doesn't get at least 7/210 on the open market? That's a pretty big jump from Strasburg's deal.
Depends. Both have their knocks. Strasburg is younger than Arrieta, he's also had TJS. Arrieta is potentially less of an injury risk but then he's also going to be on the wrong side of 30 and has had only one full season.
I have no idea what the motivation is for Strasburg to sign that deal a mere 4 months ahead of free agency. That seems weird. But, he has two opt outs including the first one after his age-31 season, or the age Arrieta will be when he hits free agency. I have no idea how the contract is structured but, assuming he rakes in a cool 75 mil and has the opportunity to hit free agency again at 31? If Arrieta is good for 7/210, would Strasburg come close? So, that would make it a 10-year/$285mm in earnings. I don't think Arrieta is getting anywhere near that.
I guess, in other words, this is probably a bad comp for the Arrieta negotiations.
As much hand-wringing as there was at the time, maybe Strasburg has actually come to appreciate where the Nationals were coming from when they shut him down way back when to save his arm.
Can't think of too many reasons he'd sign this right now.
Unless he's fearful of going on the DL for the 7th time between now and the end of the season and hurting his value.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 10, 2016, 11:24:43 AM
As much hand-wringing as there was at the time, maybe Strasburg has actually come to appreciate where the Nationals were coming from when they shut him down way back when to save his arm.
Quote from: Oleg on May 10, 2016, 11:33:46 AMQuote from: PenFoe on May 10, 2016, 11:24:43 AMQuote from: Oleg on May 10, 2016, 10:46:18 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 08:28:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 08:23:11 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 07:23:02 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 05:15:28 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2016, 07:28:37 PM
Just got an MLB alert that Strasburg and the Nationals have agreed on a 7-year, $175MM extension. With him off the market does this change anything in the Arrieta negotiations/non-negotiations for the Cubs? I wonder if Strasburg might have been a top target for Theo and Jed. Obviously it doesn't make Jake any younger, but maybe they'd be more willing to come closer to the number of years he wants now.
Not sure Jed & Theo would ever go long and heavy on any starting pitcher that has Dusty's fingerprints on him.
But I can't imagine Boras not wanting to test the open market.
This is funny because Strasburg is a Boras client.
Yeah, but do you think Jake doesn't get at least 7/210 on the open market? That's a pretty big jump from Strasburg's deal.
Depends. Both have their knocks. Strasburg is younger than Arrieta, he's also had TJS. Arrieta is potentially less of an injury risk but then he's also going to be on the wrong side of 30 and has had only one full season.
I have no idea what the motivation is for Strasburg to sign that deal a mere 4 months ahead of free agency. That seems weird. But, he has two opt outs including the first one after his age-31 season, or the age Arrieta will be when he hits free agency. I have no idea how the contract is structured but, assuming he rakes in a cool 75 mil and has the opportunity to hit free agency again at 31? If Arrieta is good for 7/210, would Strasburg come close? So, that would make it a 10-year/$285mm in earnings. I don't think Arrieta is getting anywhere near that.
I guess, in other words, this is probably a bad comp for the Arrieta negotiations.
As much hand-wringing as there was at the time, maybe Strasburg has actually come to appreciate where the Nationals were coming from when they shut him down way back when to save his arm.
Can't think of too many reasons he'd sign this right now.
Unless he's fearful of going on the DL for the 7th time between now and the end of the season and hurting his value.
Maybe this really is a market-value contract for him. I figure there are two ways to look at it:
1. He's worried about his health and wanted to security.
2. He's completely not worried about his health and wanted the chance to cash in in three years with the opt-out.
Quote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 11:35:55 AMQuote from: Oleg on May 10, 2016, 11:33:46 AMQuote from: PenFoe on May 10, 2016, 11:24:43 AMQuote from: Oleg on May 10, 2016, 10:46:18 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 08:28:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 08:23:11 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 07:23:02 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 05:15:28 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2016, 07:28:37 PM
Just got an MLB alert that Strasburg and the Nationals have agreed on a 7-year, $175MM extension. With him off the market does this change anything in the Arrieta negotiations/non-negotiations for the Cubs? I wonder if Strasburg might have been a top target for Theo and Jed. Obviously it doesn't make Jake any younger, but maybe they'd be more willing to come closer to the number of years he wants now.
Not sure Jed & Theo would ever go long and heavy on any starting pitcher that has Dusty's fingerprints on him.
But I can't imagine Boras not wanting to test the open market.
This is funny because Strasburg is a Boras client.
Yeah, but do you think Jake doesn't get at least 7/210 on the open market? That's a pretty big jump from Strasburg's deal.
Depends. Both have their knocks. Strasburg is younger than Arrieta, he's also had TJS. Arrieta is potentially less of an injury risk but then he's also going to be on the wrong side of 30 and has had only one full season.
I have no idea what the motivation is for Strasburg to sign that deal a mere 4 months ahead of free agency. That seems weird. But, he has two opt outs including the first one after his age-31 season, or the age Arrieta will be when he hits free agency. I have no idea how the contract is structured but, assuming he rakes in a cool 75 mil and has the opportunity to hit free agency again at 31? If Arrieta is good for 7/210, would Strasburg come close? So, that would make it a 10-year/$285mm in earnings. I don't think Arrieta is getting anywhere near that.
I guess, in other words, this is probably a bad comp for the Arrieta negotiations.
As much hand-wringing as there was at the time, maybe Strasburg has actually come to appreciate where the Nationals were coming from when they shut him down way back when to save his arm.
Can't think of too many reasons he'd sign this right now.
Unless he's fearful of going on the DL for the 7th time between now and the end of the season and hurting his value.
Maybe this really is a market-value contract for him. I figure there are two ways to look at it:
1. He's worried about his health and wanted to security.
2. He's completely not worried about his health and wanted the chance to cash in in three years with the opt-out.
I'm guessing the opt out was the clincher. If you're Strasburg and you know that you can still have a shot at a bigger deal three years from now if all goes well, or make 175 million even if your arm falls off tomorrow, you'd be dumb not to take that deal.
Quote from: Oleg on May 10, 2016, 11:38:51 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 11:35:55 AMQuote from: Oleg on May 10, 2016, 11:33:46 AMQuote from: PenFoe on May 10, 2016, 11:24:43 AMQuote from: Oleg on May 10, 2016, 10:46:18 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 08:28:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 08:23:11 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 07:23:02 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 05:15:28 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2016, 07:28:37 PM
Just got an MLB alert that Strasburg and the Nationals have agreed on a 7-year, $175MM extension. With him off the market does this change anything in the Arrieta negotiations/non-negotiations for the Cubs? I wonder if Strasburg might have been a top target for Theo and Jed. Obviously it doesn't make Jake any younger, but maybe they'd be more willing to come closer to the number of years he wants now.
Not sure Jed & Theo would ever go long and heavy on any starting pitcher that has Dusty's fingerprints on him.
But I can't imagine Boras not wanting to test the open market.
This is funny because Strasburg is a Boras client.
Yeah, but do you think Jake doesn't get at least 7/210 on the open market? That's a pretty big jump from Strasburg's deal.
Depends. Both have their knocks. Strasburg is younger than Arrieta, he's also had TJS. Arrieta is potentially less of an injury risk but then he's also going to be on the wrong side of 30 and has had only one full season.
I have no idea what the motivation is for Strasburg to sign that deal a mere 4 months ahead of free agency. That seems weird. But, he has two opt outs including the first one after his age-31 season, or the age Arrieta will be when he hits free agency. I have no idea how the contract is structured but, assuming he rakes in a cool 75 mil and has the opportunity to hit free agency again at 31? If Arrieta is good for 7/210, would Strasburg come close? So, that would make it a 10-year/$285mm in earnings. I don't think Arrieta is getting anywhere near that.
I guess, in other words, this is probably a bad comp for the Arrieta negotiations.
As much hand-wringing as there was at the time, maybe Strasburg has actually come to appreciate where the Nationals were coming from when they shut him down way back when to save his arm.
Can't think of too many reasons he'd sign this right now.
Unless he's fearful of going on the DL for the 7th time between now and the end of the season and hurting his value.
Maybe this really is a market-value contract for him. I figure there are two ways to look at it:
1. He's worried about his health and wanted to security.
2. He's completely not worried about his health and wanted the chance to cash in in three years with the opt-out.
I'm guessing the opt out was the clincher. If you're Strasburg and you know that you can still have a shot at a bigger deal three years from now if all goes well, or make 175 million even if your arm falls off tomorrow, you'd be dumb not to take that deal.
Well, yeah. Without the opt-out, he's easily worth the 7/210, right? I'm guessing the opt-out is pretty much the only thing that got him to sign?
It's getting weird how fascinated I am about all this. Boras client signs extension before hitting free agency, with two opt-outs...etc, etc. This is great for me.
Quote from: Oleg on May 10, 2016, 11:33:46 AM
1. He's worried about his health and wanted to security.
2. He's completely not worried about his health and wanted the chance to cash in in three years with the opt-out.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 10, 2016, 11:45:54 AMQuote from: Oleg on May 10, 2016, 11:38:51 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 11:35:55 AMQuote from: Oleg on May 10, 2016, 11:33:46 AMQuote from: PenFoe on May 10, 2016, 11:24:43 AMQuote from: Oleg on May 10, 2016, 10:46:18 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 08:28:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 08:23:11 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 07:23:02 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 05:15:28 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2016, 07:28:37 PM
Just got an MLB alert that Strasburg and the Nationals have agreed on a 7-year, $175MM extension. With him off the market does this change anything in the Arrieta negotiations/non-negotiations for the Cubs? I wonder if Strasburg might have been a top target for Theo and Jed. Obviously it doesn't make Jake any younger, but maybe they'd be more willing to come closer to the number of years he wants now.
Not sure Jed & Theo would ever go long and heavy on any starting pitcher that has Dusty's fingerprints on him.
But I can't imagine Boras not wanting to test the open market.
This is funny because Strasburg is a Boras client.
Yeah, but do you think Jake doesn't get at least 7/210 on the open market? That's a pretty big jump from Strasburg's deal.
Depends. Both have their knocks. Strasburg is younger than Arrieta, he's also had TJS. Arrieta is potentially less of an injury risk but then he's also going to be on the wrong side of 30 and has had only one full season.
I have no idea what the motivation is for Strasburg to sign that deal a mere 4 months ahead of free agency. That seems weird. But, he has two opt outs including the first one after his age-31 season, or the age Arrieta will be when he hits free agency. I have no idea how the contract is structured but, assuming he rakes in a cool 75 mil and has the opportunity to hit free agency again at 31? If Arrieta is good for 7/210, would Strasburg come close? So, that would make it a 10-year/$285mm in earnings. I don't think Arrieta is getting anywhere near that.
I guess, in other words, this is probably a bad comp for the Arrieta negotiations.
As much hand-wringing as there was at the time, maybe Strasburg has actually come to appreciate where the Nationals were coming from when they shut him down way back when to save his arm.
Can't think of too many reasons he'd sign this right now.
Unless he's fearful of going on the DL for the 7th time between now and the end of the season and hurting his value.
Maybe this really is a market-value contract for him. I figure there are two ways to look at it:
1. He's worried about his health and wanted to security.
2. He's completely not worried about his health and wanted the chance to cash in in three years with the opt-out.
I'm guessing the opt out was the clincher. If you're Strasburg and you know that you can still have a shot at a bigger deal three years from now if all goes well, or make 175 million even if your arm falls off tomorrow, you'd be dumb not to take that deal.
Well, yeah. Without the opt-out, he's easily worth the 7/210, right? I'm guessing the opt-out is pretty much the only thing that got him to sign?
It's getting weird how fascinated I am about all this. Boras client signs extension before hitting free agency, with two opt-outs...etc, etc. This is great for me.
Are you hitting the open market soon?
Quote from: CBStew on May 11, 2016, 11:47:02 AM
As many of you know, I have been a Cub fan since before Roy Smalley was sailing what should have been routine groundouts into the first base dugout. I was a Cub fan when Hal Jeffcoat was playing right field, not pitching. When I first became a Cub fan I was shorter than Peanuts Lowery. This is the best Cub team in my lifetime of miserable Cub fanhood.
Quote from: CBStew on May 11, 2016, 11:47:02 AM
As many of you know, I have been a Cub fan since before Roy Smalley was sailing what should have been routine groundouts into the first base dugout. I was a Cub fan when Hal Jeffcoat was playing right field, not pitching. When I first became a Cub fan I was shorter than Peanuts Lowery. This is the best Cub team in my lifetime of miserable Cub fanhood.
Quote from: PANK! on May 11, 2016, 12:13:38 PMQuote from: CBStew on May 11, 2016, 11:47:02 AM
As many of you know, I have been a Cub fan since before Roy Smalley was sailing what should have been routine groundouts into the first base dugout. I was a Cub fan when Hal Jeffcoat was playing right field, not pitching. When I first became a Cub fan I was shorter than Peanuts Lowery. This is the best Cub team in my lifetime of miserable Cub fanhood.
Apropos of nothing, but I read this about 1 minute before Javier Baez sailed one into the stands.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 11, 2016, 02:27:54 PM
As Lou Brown once said, I think you can go get him now.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 02:34:38 PM
The bullpen's making sure this streak ends with a bang. 2 outs, no one one and a little bitch has to bunt to get on and start the snowball rolling. Fuck that prick Jankowski. Hope he gets one in the earhole next at bat.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 11, 2016, 02:35:44 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 02:34:38 PM
The bullpen's making sure this streak ends with a bang. 2 outs, no one one and a little bitch has to bunt to get on and start the snowball rolling. Fuck that prick Jankowski. Hope he gets one in the earhole next at bat.
#BFIB
Quote from: InternetApex on May 11, 2016, 02:35:44 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 02:34:38 PM
The bullpen's making sure this streak ends with a bang. 2 outs, no one one and a little bitch has to bunt to get on and start the snowball rolling. Fuck that prick Jankowski. Hope he gets one in the earhole next at bat.
#BFIB
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 11, 2016, 02:38:22 PMQuote from: InternetApex on May 11, 2016, 02:35:44 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 02:34:38 PM
The bullpen's making sure this streak ends with a bang. 2 outs, no one one and a little bitch has to bunt to get on and start the snowball rolling. Fuck that prick Jankowski. Hope he gets one in the earhole next at bat.
#BFIB
Eh. Needs more encouragement to commit suicide and rampant homophobia to truly be BFIB material.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
Nah, just pissed that the previous 2 innings the offense could've easily piled on and effectively ended this. Follow that with some little slapdick pussy deciding to be cute and bunting with no one on and 2 outs to start this shit. I hate bush league bs like that.
Quote from: SKO on May 11, 2016, 03:04:06 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
Nah, just pissed that the previous 2 innings the offense could've easily piled on and effectively ended this. Follow that with some little slapdick pussy deciding to be cute and bunting with no one on and 2 outs to start this shit. I hate bush league bs like that.
Yes, a bad hitter with speed getting on base about the only way he possibly can sure is some bullshit. Unsporting. Harumph.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
Nah, just pissed that the previous 2 innings the offense could've easily piled on and effectively ended this. Follow that with some little slapdick pussy deciding to be cute and bunting with no one on and 2 outs to start this shit. I hate bush league bs like that.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
Nah, just pissed that the previous 2 innings the offense could've easily piled on and effectively ended this. Follow that with some little slapdick pussy deciding to be cute and bunting with no one on and 2 outs to start this shit. I hate bush league bs like that.
Quote from: ChuckD on May 11, 2016, 03:29:12 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
Nah, just pissed that the previous 2 innings the offense could've easily piled on and effectively ended this. Follow that with some little slapdick pussy deciding to be cute and bunting with no one on and 2 outs to start this shit. I hate bush league bs like that.
How much did you hate all of those bush league intentional walks to Royce Harper?
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:49:56 PMQuote from: ChuckD on May 11, 2016, 03:29:12 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
Nah, just pissed that the previous 2 innings the offense could've easily piled on and effectively ended this. Follow that with some little slapdick pussy deciding to be cute and bunting with no one on and 2 outs to start this shit. I hate bush league bs like that.
How much did you hate all of those bush league intentional walks to Royce Harper?
I have no problem with intentional walks as it' a smart move most times. Never once when giant-headed Bonds was up in a situation like that was I angry. Taking the bat away from a quality hitter or even to get to a much less dangerous hitter is basically expected. I'm more pissed that Hendricks pitched a really good game and that the bullpen imploded after what should've been a harmless 2-out bunt. That and hat it was the shitty Padres...
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:49:56 PMQuote from: ChuckD on May 11, 2016, 03:29:12 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
Nah, just pissed that the previous 2 innings the offense could've easily piled on and effectively ended this. Follow that with some little slapdick pussy deciding to be cute and bunting with no one on and 2 outs to start this shit. I hate bush league bs like that.
How much did you hate all of those bush league intentional walks to Royce Harper?
I have no problem with intentional walks as it' a smart move most times. Never once when giant-headed Bonds was up in a situation like that was I angry. Taking the bat away from a quality hitter or even to get to a much less dangerous hitter is basically expected. I'm more pissed that Hendricks pitched a really good game and that the bullpen imploded after what should've been a harmless 2-out bunt. That and hat it was the shitty Padres...
Quote from: ChuckD on May 11, 2016, 03:58:00 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:49:56 PMQuote from: ChuckD on May 11, 2016, 03:29:12 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
Nah, just pissed that the previous 2 innings the offense could've easily piled on and effectively ended this. Follow that with some little slapdick pussy deciding to be cute and bunting with no one on and 2 outs to start this shit. I hate bush league bs like that.
How much did you hate all of those bush league intentional walks to Royce Harper?
I have no problem with intentional walks as it' a smart move most times. Never once when giant-headed Bonds was up in a situation like that was I angry. Taking the bat away from a quality hitter or even to get to a much less dangerous hitter is basically expected. I'm more pissed that Hendricks pitched a really good game and that the bullpen imploded after what should've been a harmless 2-out bunt. That and hat it was the shitty Padres...
Ah, so you're saying the bullpen is bush league. Not the bunt. Ok. Carry on then.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
some little slapdick pussy
Quote from: Slaky on May 11, 2016, 03:53:32 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:49:56 PMQuote from: ChuckD on May 11, 2016, 03:29:12 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
Nah, just pissed that the previous 2 innings the offense could've easily piled on and effectively ended this. Follow that with some little slapdick pussy deciding to be cute and bunting with no one on and 2 outs to start this shit. I hate bush league bs like that.
How much did you hate all of those bush league intentional walks to Royce Harper?
I have no problem with intentional walks as it' a smart move most times. Never once when giant-headed Bonds was up in a situation like that was I angry. Taking the bat away from a quality hitter or even to get to a much less dangerous hitter is basically expected. I'm more pissed that Hendricks pitched a really good game and that the bullpen imploded after what should've been a harmless 2-out bunt. That and hat it was the shitty Padres...
I'd rather the Cubs lose to a shitty team than the Cards or Pirates.
Quote from: Slaky on May 11, 2016, 03:53:32 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:49:56 PMQuote from: ChuckD on May 11, 2016, 03:29:12 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
Nah, just pissed that the previous 2 innings the offense could've easily piled on and effectively ended this. Follow that with some little slapdick pussy deciding to be cute and bunting with no one on and 2 outs to start this shit. I hate bush league bs like that.
How much did you hate all of those bush league intentional walks to Royce Harper?
I have no problem with intentional walks as it' a smart move most times. Never once when giant-headed Bonds was up in a situation like that was I angry. Taking the bat away from a quality hitter or even to get to a much less dangerous hitter is basically expected. I'm more pissed that Hendricks pitched a really good game and that the bullpen imploded after what should've been a harmless 2-out bunt. That and hat it was the shitty Padres...
I'd rather the Cubs lose to a shitty team than the Cards or Pirates.
Quote from: PANK! on May 11, 2016, 10:21:32 PMQuote from: Slaky on May 11, 2016, 03:53:32 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:49:56 PMQuote from: ChuckD on May 11, 2016, 03:29:12 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
Nah, just pissed that the previous 2 innings the offense could've easily piled on and effectively ended this. Follow that with some little slapdick pussy deciding to be cute and bunting with no one on and 2 outs to start this shit. I hate bush league bs like that.
How much did you hate all of those bush league intentional walks to Royce Harper?
I have no problem with intentional walks as it' a smart move most times. Never once when giant-headed Bonds was up in a situation like that was I angry. Taking the bat away from a quality hitter or even to get to a much less dangerous hitter is basically expected. I'm more pissed that Hendricks pitched a really good game and that the bullpen imploded after what should've been a harmless 2-out bunt. That and hat it was the shitty Padres...
I'd rather the Cubs lose to a shitty team than the Cards or Pirates.
I hadn't considered this but I agree 100% and suddenly feel better now. Thanks, Slaky!
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 07:21:54 AMQuote from: PANK! on May 11, 2016, 10:21:32 PMQuote from: Slaky on May 11, 2016, 03:53:32 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:49:56 PMQuote from: ChuckD on May 11, 2016, 03:29:12 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
Nah, just pissed that the previous 2 innings the offense could've easily piled on and effectively ended this. Follow that with some little slapdick pussy deciding to be cute and bunting with no one on and 2 outs to start this shit. I hate bush league bs like that.
How much did you hate all of those bush league intentional walks to Royce Harper?
I have no problem with intentional walks as it' a smart move most times. Never once when giant-headed Bonds was up in a situation like that was I angry. Taking the bat away from a quality hitter or even to get to a much less dangerous hitter is basically expected. I'm more pissed that Hendricks pitched a really good game and that the bullpen imploded after what should've been a harmless 2-out bunt. That and hat it was the shitty Padres...
I'd rather the Cubs lose to a shitty team than the Cards or Pirates.
I hadn't considered this but I agree 100% and suddenly feel better now. Thanks, Slaky!
I pretty much always feel this way. You lose to a shit team, well, baseball is weird sometimes. You lose to the methheads and you have to deal with their fans, and games against a team like Pittsburgh might actually matter.
I actually had a feeling they'd drop 2 of 3 to the Padres because they'd been unsustainably hot and it seems like the bad Padres teams never roll over and die for the Cubs like they are supposed to. Now they'll kick the shit out of Pittsburgh again and all will be right with the world.
Quote from: PANK! on May 12, 2016, 08:21:03 AMQuote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 07:21:54 AMQuote from: PANK! on May 11, 2016, 10:21:32 PMQuote from: Slaky on May 11, 2016, 03:53:32 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:49:56 PMQuote from: ChuckD on May 11, 2016, 03:29:12 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
Nah, just pissed that the previous 2 innings the offense could've easily piled on and effectively ended this. Follow that with some little slapdick pussy deciding to be cute and bunting with no one on and 2 outs to start this shit. I hate bush league bs like that.
How much did you hate all of those bush league intentional walks to Royce Harper?
I have no problem with intentional walks as it' a smart move most times. Never once when giant-headed Bonds was up in a situation like that was I angry. Taking the bat away from a quality hitter or even to get to a much less dangerous hitter is basically expected. I'm more pissed that Hendricks pitched a really good game and that the bullpen imploded after what should've been a harmless 2-out bunt. That and hat it was the shitty Padres...
I'd rather the Cubs lose to a shitty team than the Cards or Pirates.
I hadn't considered this but I agree 100% and suddenly feel better now. Thanks, Slaky!
I pretty much always feel this way. You lose to a shit team, well, baseball is weird sometimes. You lose to the methheads and you have to deal with their fans, and games against a team like Pittsburgh might actually matter.
I actually had a feeling they'd drop 2 of 3 to the Padres because they'd been unsustainably hot and it seems like the bad Padres teams never roll over and die for the Cubs like they are supposed to. Now they'll kick the shit out of Pittsburgh again and all will be right with the world.
It's not even about the meth head fans for me, so much as that on a practical level, STL & PIT are the 2 teams realistically competing with the Cubs for the division. Wipe the floor with those teams and I can handle losing to the dregs of the league every so often.
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 08:30:43 AMQuote from: PANK! on May 12, 2016, 08:21:03 AMQuote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 07:21:54 AMQuote from: PANK! on May 11, 2016, 10:21:32 PMQuote from: Slaky on May 11, 2016, 03:53:32 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:49:56 PMQuote from: ChuckD on May 11, 2016, 03:29:12 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
Nah, just pissed that the previous 2 innings the offense could've easily piled on and effectively ended this. Follow that with some little slapdick pussy deciding to be cute and bunting with no one on and 2 outs to start this shit. I hate bush league bs like that.
How much did you hate all of those bush league intentional walks to Royce Harper?
I have no problem with intentional walks as it' a smart move most times. Never once when giant-headed Bonds was up in a situation like that was I angry. Taking the bat away from a quality hitter or even to get to a much less dangerous hitter is basically expected. I'm more pissed that Hendricks pitched a really good game and that the bullpen imploded after what should've been a harmless 2-out bunt. That and hat it was the shitty Padres...
I'd rather the Cubs lose to a shitty team than the Cards or Pirates.
I hadn't considered this but I agree 100% and suddenly feel better now. Thanks, Slaky!
I pretty much always feel this way. You lose to a shit team, well, baseball is weird sometimes. You lose to the methheads and you have to deal with their fans, and games against a team like Pittsburgh might actually matter.
I actually had a feeling they'd drop 2 of 3 to the Padres because they'd been unsustainably hot and it seems like the bad Padres teams never roll over and die for the Cubs like they are supposed to. Now they'll kick the shit out of Pittsburgh again and all will be right with the world.
It's not even about the meth head fans for me, so much as that on a practical level, STL & PIT are the 2 teams realistically competing with the Cubs for the division. Wipe the floor with those teams and I can handle losing to the dregs of the league every so often.
I'm going to embrace my Fork-lineage for a minute and say St. Louis ain't competing for shit at this point. I want to beat them because beating them is fun, but they don't matter. Pittsburgh still has a fighting chance, but if they drop this series this weekend it's probably as close to over as it can get in May.
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 08:30:43 AMQuote from: PANK! on May 12, 2016, 08:21:03 AMQuote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 07:21:54 AMQuote from: PANK! on May 11, 2016, 10:21:32 PMQuote from: Slaky on May 11, 2016, 03:53:32 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:49:56 PMQuote from: ChuckD on May 11, 2016, 03:29:12 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 11, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
Nah, just pissed that the previous 2 innings the offense could've easily piled on and effectively ended this. Follow that with some little slapdick pussy deciding to be cute and bunting with no one on and 2 outs to start this shit. I hate bush league bs like that.
How much did you hate all of those bush league intentional walks to Royce Harper?
I have no problem with intentional walks as it' a smart move most times. Never once when giant-headed Bonds was up in a situation like that was I angry. Taking the bat away from a quality hitter or even to get to a much less dangerous hitter is basically expected. I'm more pissed that Hendricks pitched a really good game and that the bullpen imploded after what should've been a harmless 2-out bunt. That and hat it was the shitty Padres...
I'd rather the Cubs lose to a shitty team than the Cards or Pirates.
I hadn't considered this but I agree 100% and suddenly feel better now. Thanks, Slaky!
I pretty much always feel this way. You lose to a shit team, well, baseball is weird sometimes. You lose to the methheads and you have to deal with their fans, and games against a team like Pittsburgh might actually matter.
I actually had a feeling they'd drop 2 of 3 to the Padres because they'd been unsustainably hot and it seems like the bad Padres teams never roll over and die for the Cubs like they are supposed to. Now they'll kick the shit out of Pittsburgh again and all will be right with the world.
It's not even about the meth head fans for me, so much as that on a practical level, STL & PIT are the 2 teams realistically competing with the Cubs for the division. Wipe the floor with those teams and I can handle losing to the dregs of the league every so often.
I'm going to embrace my Fork-lineage for a minute and say St. Louis ain't competing for shit at this point. I want to beat them because beating them is fun, but they don't matter. Pittsburgh still has a fighting chance, but if they drop this series this weekend it's probably as close to over as it can get in May.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2016, 08:30:30 AM
I don't know about you guys but I'd rather the Cubs drop a double header at home to a shitty team on the heels of an 8-game winning streak when they're 17 games over .500 and 7 games up in the division with over 120 games remaining than when that's not the case.
Quote from: thehawk on May 12, 2016, 09:51:30 AMQuote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2016, 08:30:30 AM
I don't know about you guys but I'd rather the Cubs drop a double header at home to a shitty team on the heels of an 8-game winning streak when they're 17 games over .500 and 7 games up in the division with over 120 games remaining than when that's not the case.
Yeah, losing a double header to 'plunge' to 25-8 in the standings elicits no more than a doommeh
Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 13, 2016, 07:55:21 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
as opposed to getting to 17 games over .500 about 3 months earlier than they did last year?
Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:59:38 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 13, 2016, 07:55:21 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
as opposed to getting to 17 games over .500 about 3 months earlier than they did last year?
More "in addition to" than "opposed to", but thanks for your Time To Post reminder that the Cubs are really good and there's no need to really discuss anything in depth.
Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:35:10 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:59:38 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 13, 2016, 07:55:21 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
as opposed to getting to 17 games over .500 about 3 months earlier than they did last year?
More "in addition to" than "opposed to", but thanks for your Time To Post reminder that the Cubs are really good and there's no need to really discuss anything in depth.
Since they had a .446 OPS against Liriano last year, I deem your initial post VALID.
Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 09:02:06 AM
DPD, but if this team has any weakness (other than their middle relievers, but that is literally every team's weakness), they do appear to be somewhat more vulnerable vs. LHP than RHP. Team OPS of .737 vs LHP (.819 vs RHP). That's something I'd like to see them improve upon because just about every rotation they might face in the playoffs has a tough left handed starter or two. Beating up on Liriano would be a nice start.
Quote from: PANK! on May 13, 2016, 09:10:54 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 09:02:06 AM
DPD, but if this team has any weakness (other than their middle relievers, but that is literally every team's weakness), they do appear to be somewhat more vulnerable vs. LHP than RHP. Team OPS of .737 vs LHP (.819 vs RHP). That's something I'd like to see them improve upon because just about every rotation they might face in the playoffs has a tough left handed starter or two. Beating up on Liriano would be a nice start.
I'm still kind of reeling at Drew Fucking Pomerantz putting them on ice Wednesday so I'm inclined to share this concern.
Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 09:02:06 AM
DPD, but if this team has any weakness (other than their middle relievers, but that is literally every team's weakness), they do appear to be somewhat more vulnerable vs. LHP than RHP. Team OPS of .737 vs LHP (.819 vs RHP). That's something I'd like to see them improve upon because just about every rotation they might face in the playoffs has a tough left handed starter or two. Beating up on Liriano would be a nice start.
Quote from: Oleg on May 13, 2016, 09:21:51 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 09:02:06 AM
DPD, but if this team has any weakness (other than their middle relievers, but that is literally every team's weakness), they do appear to be somewhat more vulnerable vs. LHP than RHP. Team OPS of .737 vs LHP (.819 vs RHP). That's something I'd like to see them improve upon because just about every rotation they might face in the playoffs has a tough left handed starter or two. Beating up on Liriano would be a nice start.
The average OPS for a major leaguer is, what...715 or something? If the Cubs biggest weakness is that, as a team, they are better than average against LHP, I think it's great!
Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 09:24:23 AMQuote from: Oleg on May 13, 2016, 09:21:51 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 09:02:06 AM
DPD, but if this team has any weakness (other than their middle relievers, but that is literally every team's weakness), they do appear to be somewhat more vulnerable vs. LHP than RHP. Team OPS of .737 vs LHP (.819 vs RHP). That's something I'd like to see them improve upon because just about every rotation they might face in the playoffs has a tough left handed starter or two. Beating up on Liriano would be a nice start.
The average OPS for a major leaguer is, what...715 or something? If the Cubs biggest weakness is that, as a team, they are better than average against LHP, I think it's great!
Yeah looking at B-Ref that amounts to a 107 team OPS+ vs LHP vs a 125 OPS+ vs RHP. So one is pretty above average and the other is dominant. Let's not tolerate bullshit here, Oleg. I want them donkey punching opposing pitchers in equal measure, left or right handed.
Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:35:10 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:59:38 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 13, 2016, 07:55:21 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
as opposed to getting to 17 games over .500 about 3 months earlier than they did last year?
More "in addition to" than "opposed to", but thanks for your Time To Post reminder that the Cubs are really good and there's no need to really discuss anything in depth.
Since they had a .446 OPS against Liriano last year, I deem your initial post VALID.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 10:47:05 AMQuote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:35:10 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:59:38 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 13, 2016, 07:55:21 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
as opposed to getting to 17 games over .500 about 3 months earlier than they did last year?
More "in addition to" than "opposed to", but thanks for your Time To Post reminder that the Cubs are really good and there's no need to really discuss anything in depth.
Since they had a .446 OPS against Liriano last year, I deem your initial post VALID.
I agree. If you want to pass an early test of how much of this is success is applicable in a crapshoot of a postseason series, hammer a guy like Liriano.
Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 02:46:52 PMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
(http://i.giphy.com/RpVZL0sy3vrri.gif)
Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 02:56:36 PMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 02:46:52 PMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
(http://i.giphy.com/RpVZL0sy3vrri.gif)
I guess we can believe they're pretty good now.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:59:34 PMQuote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 02:56:36 PMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 02:46:52 PMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
(http://i.giphy.com/RpVZL0sy3vrri.gif)
I guess we can believe they're pretty good now.
Liriano didn't have it today. That slider was doo doo. Not that I'm complaining but that wasn't exactly the epic battle I was fantasizing about while I masturbated to the Cubs this morning.
Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 03:00:56 PMQuote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:59:34 PMQuote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 02:56:36 PMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 02:46:52 PMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
(http://i.giphy.com/RpVZL0sy3vrri.gif)
I guess we can believe they're pretty good now.
Liriano didn't have it today. That slider was doo doo. Not that I'm complaining but that wasn't exactly the epic battle I was fantasizing about while I masturbated to the Cubs this morning.
That changeup was sick, though. They waited him out when necessary. Get the fuck outta here with your excuses for the Pittsburgh pitcher, ApexInHydePark.
Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:35:10 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:59:38 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 13, 2016, 07:55:21 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
as opposed to getting to 17 games over .500 about 3 months earlier than they did last year?
More "in addition to" than "opposed to", but thanks for your Time To Post reminder that the Cubs are really good and there's no need to really discuss anything in depth.
Since they had a .446 OPS against Liriano last year, I deem your initial post VALID.
Quote from: Slaky on May 13, 2016, 04:28:07 PMQuote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:35:10 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:59:38 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 13, 2016, 07:55:21 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
as opposed to getting to 17 games over .500 about 3 months earlier than they did last year?
More "in addition to" than "opposed to", but thanks for your Time To Post reminder that the Cubs are really good and there's no need to really discuss anything in depth.
Since they had a .446 OPS against Liriano last year, I deem your initial post VALID.
So that's been fixed. What's next?
Quote from: Slaky on May 13, 2016, 04:27:22 PM
While not a HUGE ISSUE Clayton Richard is heading for firebarn territory. He's a nice story and seems like an easy guy to root for but get some outs for fuck's sake.
Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 05:34:00 PMQuote from: Slaky on May 13, 2016, 04:27:22 PM
While not a HUGE ISSUE Clayton Richard is heading for firebarn territory. He's a nice story and seems like an easy guy to root for but get some outs for fuck's sake.
Yeah unless Travis Wood suddenly finds that extra velocity he gained last year when he moved to the pen they should probably add a loogy
Quote from: Oleg on May 13, 2016, 06:07:28 PMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 05:34:00 PMQuote from: Slaky on May 13, 2016, 04:27:22 PM
While not a HUGE ISSUE Clayton Richard is heading for firebarn territory. He's a nice story and seems like an easy guy to root for but get some outs for fuck's sake.
Yeah unless Travis Wood suddenly finds that extra velocity he gained last year when he moved to the pen they should probably add a loogy
Miller or Chapman would make excellent LOOGYs.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 04:37:30 PMQuote from: Slaky on May 13, 2016, 04:28:07 PMQuote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:35:10 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:59:38 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 13, 2016, 07:55:21 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
as opposed to getting to 17 games over .500 about 3 months earlier than they did last year?
More "in addition to" than "opposed to", but thanks for your Time To Post reminder that the Cubs are really good and there's no need to really discuss anything in depth.
Since they had a .446 OPS against Liriano last year, I deem your initial post VALID.
So that's been fixed. What's next?
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/new-york-mets-mascot-mr-met-entertains-the-crowd-between-innings-of-a-picture-id495224469)
Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:15:28 PMQuote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 04:37:30 PMQuote from: Slaky on May 13, 2016, 04:28:07 PMQuote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:35:10 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:59:38 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 13, 2016, 07:55:21 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
as opposed to getting to 17 games over .500 about 3 months earlier than they did last year?
More "in addition to" than "opposed to", but thanks for your Time To Post reminder that the Cubs are really good and there's no need to really discuss anything in depth.
Since they had a .446 OPS against Liriano last year, I deem your initial post VALID.
So that's been fixed. What's next?
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/new-york-mets-mascot-mr-met-entertains-the-crowd-between-innings-of-a-picture-id495224469)
YUP.
Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2016, 08:34:51 AMQuote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:15:28 PMQuote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 04:37:30 PMQuote from: Slaky on May 13, 2016, 04:28:07 PMQuote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:35:10 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:59:38 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 13, 2016, 07:55:21 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
as opposed to getting to 17 games over .500 about 3 months earlier than they did last year?
More "in addition to" than "opposed to", but thanks for your Time To Post reminder that the Cubs are really good and there's no need to really discuss anything in depth.
Since they had a .446 OPS against Liriano last year, I deem your initial post VALID.
So that's been fixed. What's next?
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/new-york-mets-mascot-mr-met-entertains-the-crowd-between-innings-of-a-picture-id495224469)
YUP.
Concur.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 16, 2016, 08:36:21 AMQuote from: Slaky on May 16, 2016, 08:34:51 AMQuote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:15:28 PMQuote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 04:37:30 PMQuote from: Slaky on May 13, 2016, 04:28:07 PMQuote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:35:10 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:59:38 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 13, 2016, 07:55:21 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
as opposed to getting to 17 games over .500 about 3 months earlier than they did last year?
More "in addition to" than "opposed to", but thanks for your Time To Post reminder that the Cubs are really good and there's no need to really discuss anything in depth.
Since they had a .446 OPS against Liriano last year, I deem your initial post VALID.
So that's been fixed. What's next?
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/new-york-mets-mascot-mr-met-entertains-the-crowd-between-innings-of-a-picture-id495224469)
YUP.
Concur.
Although, considering how the Cubs had full ownership of the Mets during the regular season last year, maybe everything that happens between now and around October 15 is a formality.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 16, 2016, 09:43:16 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 16, 2016, 08:36:21 AMQuote from: Slaky on May 16, 2016, 08:34:51 AMQuote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:15:28 PMQuote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 04:37:30 PMQuote from: Slaky on May 13, 2016, 04:28:07 PMQuote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:35:10 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:59:38 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 13, 2016, 07:55:21 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
as opposed to getting to 17 games over .500 about 3 months earlier than they did last year?
More "in addition to" than "opposed to", but thanks for your Time To Post reminder that the Cubs are really good and there's no need to really discuss anything in depth.
Since they had a .446 OPS against Liriano last year, I deem your initial post VALID.
So that's been fixed. What's next?
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/new-york-mets-mascot-mr-met-entertains-the-crowd-between-innings-of-a-picture-id495224469)
YUP.
Concur.
Although, considering how the Cubs had full ownership of the Mets during the regular season last year, maybe everything that happens between now and around October 15 is a formality.
The same thing also occurred to me.
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2016, 10:04:09 AMQuote from: InternetApex on May 16, 2016, 09:43:16 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 16, 2016, 08:36:21 AMQuote from: Slaky on May 16, 2016, 08:34:51 AMQuote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:15:28 PMQuote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 04:37:30 PMQuote from: Slaky on May 13, 2016, 04:28:07 PMQuote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:35:10 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:59:38 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 13, 2016, 07:55:21 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
as opposed to getting to 17 games over .500 about 3 months earlier than they did last year?
More "in addition to" than "opposed to", but thanks for your Time To Post reminder that the Cubs are really good and there's no need to really discuss anything in depth.
Since they had a .446 OPS against Liriano last year, I deem your initial post VALID.
So that's been fixed. What's next?
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/new-york-mets-mascot-mr-met-entertains-the-crowd-between-innings-of-a-picture-id495224469)
YUP.
Concur.
Although, considering how the Cubs had full ownership of the Mets during the regular season last year, maybe everything that happens between now and around October 15 is a formality.
The same thing also occurred to me.
We really are this Onion article (//http://) (I'm right there too).
Quote from: PANK! on May 16, 2016, 10:11:53 AMQuote from: Eli on May 16, 2016, 10:04:09 AMQuote from: InternetApex on May 16, 2016, 09:43:16 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 16, 2016, 08:36:21 AMQuote from: Slaky on May 16, 2016, 08:34:51 AMQuote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:15:28 PMQuote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 04:37:30 PMQuote from: Slaky on May 13, 2016, 04:28:07 PMQuote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:35:10 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:59:38 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 13, 2016, 07:55:21 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
as opposed to getting to 17 games over .500 about 3 months earlier than they did last year?
More "in addition to" than "opposed to", but thanks for your Time To Post reminder that the Cubs are really good and there's no need to really discuss anything in depth.
Since they had a .446 OPS against Liriano last year, I deem your initial post VALID.
So that's been fixed. What's next?
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/new-york-mets-mascot-mr-met-entertains-the-crowd-between-innings-of-a-picture-id495224469)
YUP.
Concur.
Although, considering how the Cubs had full ownership of the Mets during the regular season last year, maybe everything that happens between now and around October 15 is a formality.
The same thing also occurred to me.
We really are this Onion article (//http://) (I'm right there too).
Nice morphlink, no-link.
Quote from: SKO on May 16, 2016, 10:12:54 AMQuote from: PANK! on May 16, 2016, 10:11:53 AMQuote from: Eli on May 16, 2016, 10:04:09 AMQuote from: InternetApex on May 16, 2016, 09:43:16 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 16, 2016, 08:36:21 AMQuote from: Slaky on May 16, 2016, 08:34:51 AMQuote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:15:28 PMQuote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 04:37:30 PMQuote from: Slaky on May 13, 2016, 04:28:07 PMQuote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:35:10 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:59:38 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 13, 2016, 07:55:21 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
as opposed to getting to 17 games over .500 about 3 months earlier than they did last year?
More "in addition to" than "opposed to", but thanks for your Time To Post reminder that the Cubs are really good and there's no need to really discuss anything in depth.
Since they had a .446 OPS against Liriano last year, I deem your initial post VALID.
So that's been fixed. What's next?
YUP.
Concur.
Although, considering how the Cubs had full ownership of the Mets during the regular season last year, maybe everything that happens between now and around October 15 is a formality.
The same thing also occurred to me.
We really are this Onion article (//http://) (I'm right there too).
Nice morphlink, no-link.
Sorry Eli, I was just a second too late in fixing it.
Quote from: SKO on May 16, 2016, 10:12:54 AMQuote from: PANK! on May 16, 2016, 10:11:53 AMQuote from: Eli on May 16, 2016, 10:04:09 AMQuote from: InternetApex on May 16, 2016, 09:43:16 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 16, 2016, 08:36:21 AMQuote from: Slaky on May 16, 2016, 08:34:51 AMQuote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:15:28 PMQuote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 04:37:30 PMQuote from: Slaky on May 13, 2016, 04:28:07 PMQuote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:35:10 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:59:38 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 13, 2016, 07:55:21 AMQuote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
Looking forward to today's game. If the Cubs lineup can be patient and wait out Liriano's bullshit and make him pay that'll be a nice sign of how much they've improved since last year.
as opposed to getting to 17 games over .500 about 3 months earlier than they did last year?
More "in addition to" than "opposed to", but thanks for your Time To Post reminder that the Cubs are really good and there's no need to really discuss anything in depth.
Since they had a .446 OPS against Liriano last year, I deem your initial post VALID.
So that's been fixed. What's next?
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/new-york-mets-mascot-mr-met-entertains-the-crowd-between-innings-of-a-picture-id495224469)
YUP.
Concur.
Although, considering how the Cubs had full ownership of the Mets during the regular season last year, maybe everything that happens between now and around October 15 is a formality.
The same thing also occurred to me.
We really are this Onion article (//http://) (I'm right there too).
Nice morphlink, no-link.
Sorry Eli, I was just a second too late in fixing it.
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2016, 02:05:33 PM
This one's really good, CT.
Quote from: PANK! on May 26, 2016, 06:09:56 AM
It seems to me that the cycles of the season are such right now that the Cubs might be playing Philadelphia at a pretty sweet time this weekend, and I won't be surprised or shocked if some normalization occurs--the Cubs hopefully cycling out of their recent 6-8 "funk" (wherein they still managed to out-score their opponents by 15 runs in that time), and Philadelphia coming back to earth at least a little after a 6-week start to their season that stands out as the most surprising story in baseball thus far (in a positive way).
What I'm trying to say here--and don't tell my dad I'm about to say this --is I feel like the Cubs are about to send the Phillies to the moon. Woof.
Quote from: SKO on May 26, 2016, 07:26:13 AMQuote from: PANK! on May 26, 2016, 06:09:56 AM
It seems to me that the cycles of the season are such right now that the Cubs might be playing Philadelphia at a pretty sweet time this weekend, and I won't be surprised or shocked if some normalization occurs--the Cubs hopefully cycling out of their recent 6-8 "funk" (wherein they still managed to out-score their opponents by 15 runs in that time), and Philadelphia coming back to earth at least a little after a 6-week start to their season that stands out as the most surprising story in baseball thus far (in a positive way).
What I'm trying to say here--and don't tell my dad I'm about to say this --is I feel like the Cubs are about to send the Phillies to the moon. Woof.
I am neither supporting your hunch or condemning it, I just want to say that the Phillies (26-21) being 5 over with a -31 run differential is really something and I want ChuckD or someone to give me a list of the "best" teams with negative run differentials throughout history to see how unusual their start is.
Quote from: Slaky on May 26, 2016, 07:47:20 AMQuote from: SKO on May 26, 2016, 07:26:13 AMQuote from: PANK! on May 26, 2016, 06:09:56 AM
It seems to me that the cycles of the season are such right now that the Cubs might be playing Philadelphia at a pretty sweet time this weekend, and I won't be surprised or shocked if some normalization occurs--the Cubs hopefully cycling out of their recent 6-8 "funk" (wherein they still managed to out-score their opponents by 15 runs in that time), and Philadelphia coming back to earth at least a little after a 6-week start to their season that stands out as the most surprising story in baseball thus far (in a positive way).
What I'm trying to say here--and don't tell my dad I'm about to say this --is I feel like the Cubs are about to send the Phillies to the moon. Woof.
I am neither supporting your hunch or condemning it, I just want to say that the Phillies (26-21) being 5 over with a -31 run differential is really something and I want ChuckD or someone to give me a list of the "best" teams with negative run differentials throughout history to see how unusual their start is.
I remember when the Cubs were like 10 games under and were only a couple runs below even and it felt like the structure was being put into place. With the Phillies this just feels like bizarre early season hoodoo.
That said, the Cubs played like shit against the Phillies last year so I'm very cautious about this series.
Quote from: Canadouche on May 26, 2016, 09:17:16 AM
The Cubs have gone 6-8 in their last 14. They still have the best record in baseball by 3 in the loss column, and their run differential still remains +40 better than the second best team in baseball.
Quote from: PANK! on May 26, 2016, 06:09:56 AM
It seems to me that the cycles of the season are such right now that the Cubs might be playing Philadelphia at a pretty sweet time this weekend, and I won't be surprised or shocked if some normalization occurs--the Cubs hopefully cycling out of their recent 6-8 "funk" (wherein they still managed to out-score their opponents by 15 runs in that time), and Philadelphia coming back to earth at least a little after a 6-week start to their season that stands out as the most surprising story in baseball thus far (in a positive way).
What I'm trying to say here--and don't tell my dad I'm about to say this --is I feel like the Cubs are about to send the Phillies to the moon. Woof.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 30, 2016, 08:01:58 PM
I think they're only keeping Federowicz on the big league roster to give them some sort of handicap.
Quote from: SKO on May 31, 2016, 10:05:54 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 30, 2016, 08:01:58 PM
I think they're only keeping Federowicz on the big league roster to give them some sort of handicap.
Same with Clayton Richard, I guess
Quote from: SKO on May 31, 2016, 10:05:54 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 30, 2016, 08:01:58 PM
I think they're only keeping Federowicz on the big league roster to give them some sort of handicap.
Same with Clayton Richard, I guess
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 01, 2016, 08:22:43 AMQuote from: SKO on May 31, 2016, 10:05:54 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 30, 2016, 08:01:58 PM
I think they're only keeping Federowicz on the big league roster to give them some sort of handicap.
Same with Clayton Richard, I guess
Not only does he suck, but every time they put his face on the video board, it creeps me the fuck out.
Quote from: SKO on June 01, 2016, 08:33:53 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 01, 2016, 08:22:43 AMQuote from: SKO on May 31, 2016, 10:05:54 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 30, 2016, 08:01:58 PM
I think they're only keeping Federowicz on the big league roster to give them some sort of handicap.
Same with Clayton Richard, I guess
Not only does he suck, but every time they put his face on the video board, it creeps me the fuck out.
The theory was advanced by Eli and Slak that Joe is "Schlittering" Richard and forcing Theo's hand by playing him until Theo gets Joe an actual LOOGY. I'm good with last night if it brought us a day closer to Andrew Miller or Sean Doolittle or something.
QuoteFirst of all, how about Gerardo Concepcion? Between Tennessee and Iowa this year he has an ERA of 0.66. He's given up just two runs on eleven hits, and only three of those hits came from left-handed hitters. Against lefties with Iowa (sample size alert) he's allowed a batting average of just .167 while striking out four in 3.2 innings. I'd rather see him get more seasoning in Iowa first, but if the Cubs need an option in the short term, he could be a good one.
So could Rob Zastryzny. Right now Zastryzny is a starter, but even as a starter he is markedly more effective against left handed hitters. With Iowa, for example, in 7.2 IP against RHH he has an ERA of 4.70 on a batting average against of .292. Against lefties those numbers drop to 2.08 and .250 respectively. Long term I think the Cubs will want to keep him as a starter, but short term some work out of a major league bullpen would probably be good experience.
Quote from: R-V on June 01, 2016, 08:58:36 AMQuote from: SKO on June 01, 2016, 08:33:53 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 01, 2016, 08:22:43 AMQuote from: SKO on May 31, 2016, 10:05:54 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 30, 2016, 08:01:58 PM
I think they're only keeping Federowicz on the big league roster to give them some sort of handicap.
Same with Clayton Richard, I guess
Not only does he suck, but every time they put his face on the video board, it creeps me the fuck out.
The theory was advanced by Eli and Slak that Joe is "Schlittering" Richard and forcing Theo's hand by playing him until Theo gets Joe an actual LOOGY. I'm good with last night if it brought us a day closer to Andrew Miller or Sean Doolittle or something.
Options 1 and 2 here (http://www.bleachernation.com/2016/06/01/cubs-minor-league-daily-internal-lefty-specialists/) may also be worth trying in between the Richard DFA and the trade deadline.QuoteFirst of all, how about Gerardo Concepcion? Between Tennessee and Iowa this year he has an ERA of 0.66. He's given up just two runs on eleven hits, and only three of those hits came from left-handed hitters. Against lefties with Iowa (sample size alert) he's allowed a batting average of just .167 while striking out four in 3.2 innings. I'd rather see him get more seasoning in Iowa first, but if the Cubs need an option in the short term, he could be a good one.
So could Rob Zastryzny. Right now Zastryzny is a starter, but even as a starter he is markedly more effective against left handed hitters. With Iowa, for example, in 7.2 IP against RHH he has an ERA of 4.70 on a batting average against of .292. Against lefties those numbers drop to 2.08 and .250 respectively. Long term I think the Cubs will want to keep him as a starter, but short term some work out of a major league bullpen would probably be good experience.
Quote from: SKO on June 01, 2016, 09:01:17 AMQuote from: R-V on June 01, 2016, 08:58:36 AMQuote from: SKO on June 01, 2016, 08:33:53 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 01, 2016, 08:22:43 AMQuote from: SKO on May 31, 2016, 10:05:54 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 30, 2016, 08:01:58 PM
I think they're only keeping Federowicz on the big league roster to give them some sort of handicap.
Same with Clayton Richard, I guess
Not only does he suck, but every time they put his face on the video board, it creeps me the fuck out.
The theory was advanced by Eli and Slak that Joe is "Schlittering" Richard and forcing Theo's hand by playing him until Theo gets Joe an actual LOOGY. I'm good with last night if it brought us a day closer to Andrew Miller or Sean Doolittle or something.
Options 1 and 2 here (http://www.bleachernation.com/2016/06/01/cubs-minor-league-daily-internal-lefty-specialists/) may also be worth trying in between the Richard DFA and the trade deadline.QuoteFirst of all, how about Gerardo Concepcion? Between Tennessee and Iowa this year he has an ERA of 0.66. He's given up just two runs on eleven hits, and only three of those hits came from left-handed hitters. Against lefties with Iowa (sample size alert) he's allowed a batting average of just .167 while striking out four in 3.2 innings. I'd rather see him get more seasoning in Iowa first, but if the Cubs need an option in the short term, he could be a good one.
So could Rob Zastryzny. Right now Zastryzny is a starter, but even as a starter he is markedly more effective against left handed hitters. With Iowa, for example, in 7.2 IP against RHH he has an ERA of 4.70 on a batting average against of .292. Against lefties those numbers drop to 2.08 and .250 respectively. Long term I think the Cubs will want to keep him as a starter, but short term some work out of a major league bullpen would probably be good experience.
A try out for Concepcion is fine by me, it seems like the Cubs have finally abandoned any hope of him being a starter so if he can throw strikes I don't know why they shouldn't see if he can sink or swim at the majors. I'm not sure what additional minor league seasoning does for a reliever who isn't having control problems or trying to develop an extra pitch.
Zastryzny should probably just stay where he is if they think he has any shot at being a starter eventually. They're not really at all desperate so interrupting his development seems like an overreaction to a situation that's bit them in the ass exactly once all year.
Quote from: Eli on June 01, 2016, 10:14:28 AM
I don't think people know how horrible Concepcion has been for the past few years. Like, shouldn't-have-still-been-in-the-system horrible. It'll take a lot more than two months for me to think he should be anywhere near the major-league roster.
Quote from: SKO on June 01, 2016, 10:20:29 AMQuote from: Eli on June 01, 2016, 10:14:28 AM
I don't think people know how horrible Concepcion has been for the past few years. Like, shouldn't-have-still-been-in-the-system horrible. It'll take a lot more than two months for me to think he should be anywhere near the major-league roster.
For what it's worth, Arguello and a few others have said his struggles largely stemmed from the Cubs asking him to throw a changeup and add pitches to his repertoire in order to potentially become a starter some day. Since they've abandoned that idea and just had him throw two pitches and work primarily as a lefty specialist, he's been a lot better. But yes I agree I don't trust him much and would prefer a veteran alternative that isn't Clayton Richard.
Quote from: Eli on June 01, 2016, 10:36:39 AMQuote from: SKO on June 01, 2016, 10:20:29 AMQuote from: Eli on June 01, 2016, 10:14:28 AM
I don't think people know how horrible Concepcion has been for the past few years. Like, shouldn't-have-still-been-in-the-system horrible. It'll take a lot more than two months for me to think he should be anywhere near the major-league roster.
For what it's worth, Arguello and a few others have said his struggles largely stemmed from the Cubs asking him to throw a changeup and add pitches to his repertoire in order to potentially become a starter some day. Since they've abandoned that idea and just had him throw two pitches and work primarily as a lefty specialist, he's been a lot better. But yes I agree I don't trust him much and would prefer a veteran alternative that isn't Clayton Richard.
I don't have time read things on line, so I hadn't heard that. But hopefully it's true and he can actually be a useful player for a while.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 01, 2016, 07:14:35 PM
They can have their slapdick infielder's leadoff home run. I'm fine with winning 10-1.
Quote from: Wheezer on June 02, 2016, 03:37:35 PM
As much as I'm enjoying this season, the best part is how much it's energized my Dad. The past couple of years, he's had to endure the loss of my Mom and elder abuse from my idiot brother.
I spent two weeks down there around Christmas, and I think it was good for both of our heads, but he's gotten really upbeat on the phone talking about these games, and along with has come getting back into his water volleyball team, reconnecting with his sister, hiring a maid service, and just plain doing positive things for himself.
Quote from: Wheezer on June 02, 2016, 03:37:35 PMThere is a tendency in our culture to shelve or want to warehouse folks when they reach "a certain age". It doesn't help when time starts to remove people who are close to them. The easy way out is to withdraw and give in to self pity. The stronger thing is to do what your dad is doing; muscle up and continue to live your life. (I like how you capitalized "Dad")
As much as I'm enjoying this season, the best part is how much it's energized my Dad. The past couple of years, he's had to endure the loss of my Mom and elder abuse from my idiot brother.
I spent two weeks down there around Christmas, and I think it was good for both of our heads, but he's gotten really upbeat on the phone talking about these games, and along with has come getting back into his water volleyball team, reconnecting with his sister, hiring a maid service, and just plain doing positive things for himself.
Quote from: CBStew on June 02, 2016, 04:46:54 PM
(I like how you capitalized "Dad")
Quote from: PANK! on June 06, 2016, 06:16:28 AM
The only bad spell they've had was a 4-8 stretch which began with the Doubleheader sweep by the Padres.
They've since gone 10-2 since then, so they've actually gone 4-over during the stretch that includes the 4-8 spell.
They should really take 4 out of 6 from Philadelphia and Atlanta but I won't be shocked (perhaps surprised) if they go 3-3. They're due for another cooling off and it won't matter who they're playing when that happens (i.e. San Diego & Milwaukee). I'll take a disappointing 3-3 against those schlubs if it means they take 2 of 3 from Washington but in any event even a 4-5 road trip won't be the end of the world. That's the beauty of jumping out to a 9 game lead after 2 months. #managingexpectations
Quote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 07:26:35 AMQuote from: PANK! on June 06, 2016, 06:16:28 AM
The only bad spell they've had was a 4-8 stretch which began with the Doubleheader sweep by the Padres.
They've since gone 10-2 since then, so they've actually gone 4-over during the stretch that includes the 4-8 spell.
They should really take 4 out of 6 from Philadelphia and Atlanta but I won't be shocked (perhaps surprised) if they go 3-3. They're due for another cooling off and it won't matter who they're playing when that happens (i.e. San Diego & Milwaukee). I'll take a disappointing 3-3 against those schlubs if it means they take 2 of 3 from Washington but in any event even a 4-5 road trip won't be the end of the world. That's the beauty of jumping out to a 9 game lead after 2 months. #managingexpectations
They lost two Arrieta starts on the homestand. That was the cooling off. I posit they go at least 6-3 against the NL Least.
Quote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 07:26:35 AMQuote from: PANK! on June 06, 2016, 06:16:28 AM
The only bad spell they've had was a 4-8 stretch which began with the Doubleheader sweep by the Padres.
They've since gone 10-2 since then, so they've actually gone 4-over during the stretch that includes the 4-8 spell.
They should really take 4 out of 6 from Philadelphia and Atlanta but I won't be shocked (perhaps surprised) if they go 3-3. They're due for another cooling off and it won't matter who they're playing when that happens (i.e. San Diego & Milwaukee). I'll take a disappointing 3-3 against those schlubs if it means they take 2 of 3 from Washington but in any event even a 4-5 road trip won't be the end of the world. That's the beauty of jumping out to a 9 game lead after 2 months. #managingexpectations
They lost two Arrieta starts on the homestand. That was the cooling off. I posit they go at least 6-3 against the NL Least.
Quote from: Slaky on June 06, 2016, 09:32:19 AMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 07:26:35 AMQuote from: PANK! on June 06, 2016, 06:16:28 AM
The only bad spell they've had was a 4-8 stretch which began with the Doubleheader sweep by the Padres.
They've since gone 10-2 since then, so they've actually gone 4-over during the stretch that includes the 4-8 spell.
They should really take 4 out of 6 from Philadelphia and Atlanta but I won't be shocked (perhaps surprised) if they go 3-3. They're due for another cooling off and it won't matter who they're playing when that happens (i.e. San Diego & Milwaukee). I'll take a disappointing 3-3 against those schlubs if it means they take 2 of 3 from Washington but in any event even a 4-5 road trip won't be the end of the world. That's the beauty of jumping out to a 9 game lead after 2 months. #managingexpectations
They lost two Arrieta starts on the homestand. That was the cooling off. I posit they go at least 6-3 against the NL Least.
I have to remind myself that they will not win every single game even if it does feel like it. When they actually lose it's really weird.
Quote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 09:40:54 AMQuote from: Slaky on June 06, 2016, 09:32:19 AMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 07:26:35 AMQuote from: PANK! on June 06, 2016, 06:16:28 AM
The only bad spell they've had was a 4-8 stretch which began with the Doubleheader sweep by the Padres.
They've since gone 10-2 since then, so they've actually gone 4-over during the stretch that includes the 4-8 spell.
They should really take 4 out of 6 from Philadelphia and Atlanta but I won't be shocked (perhaps surprised) if they go 3-3. They're due for another cooling off and it won't matter who they're playing when that happens (i.e. San Diego & Milwaukee). I'll take a disappointing 3-3 against those schlubs if it means they take 2 of 3 from Washington but in any event even a 4-5 road trip won't be the end of the world. That's the beauty of jumping out to a 9 game lead after 2 months. #managingexpectations
They lost two Arrieta starts on the homestand. That was the cooling off. I posit they go at least 6-3 against the NL Least.
I have to remind myself that they will not win every single game even if it does feel like it. When they actually lose it's really weird.
The problem is that they have the advantage in pretty much every single game except for the time Kyle Hendricks was matched up against Madison Bumgarner so every loss is an upset. Even when you know there's no logical reason whatsoever to be irritated by going 8-2 on a homestand, I mean, shit, they should have won Arrieta/Kazmir and Arrieta/Ray matchups. That's weird.
Quote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 09:40:54 AMQuote from: Slaky on June 06, 2016, 09:32:19 AMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 07:26:35 AMQuote from: PANK! on June 06, 2016, 06:16:28 AM
The only bad spell they've had was a 4-8 stretch which began with the Doubleheader sweep by the Padres.
They've since gone 10-2 since then, so they've actually gone 4-over during the stretch that includes the 4-8 spell.
They should really take 4 out of 6 from Philadelphia and Atlanta but I won't be shocked (perhaps surprised) if they go 3-3. They're due for another cooling off and it won't matter who they're playing when that happens (i.e. San Diego & Milwaukee). I'll take a disappointing 3-3 against those schlubs if it means they take 2 of 3 from Washington but in any event even a 4-5 road trip won't be the end of the world. That's the beauty of jumping out to a 9 game lead after 2 months. #managingexpectations
They lost two Arrieta starts on the homestand. That was the cooling off. I posit they go at least 6-3 against the NL Least.
I have to remind myself that they will not win every single game even if it does feel like it. When they actually lose it's really weird.
The problem is that they have the advantage in pretty much every single game except for the time Kyle Hendricks was matched up against Madison Bumgarner so every loss is an upset. Even when you know there's no logical reason whatsoever to be irritated by going 8-2 on a homestand, I mean, shit, they should have won Arrieta/Kazmir and Arrieta/Ray matchups. That's weird.
Quote from: Shooter on June 06, 2016, 12:31:34 PMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 09:40:54 AMQuote from: Slaky on June 06, 2016, 09:32:19 AMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 07:26:35 AMQuote from: PANK! on June 06, 2016, 06:16:28 AM
The only bad spell they've had was a 4-8 stretch which began with the Doubleheader sweep by the Padres.
They've since gone 10-2 since then, so they've actually gone 4-over during the stretch that includes the 4-8 spell.
They should really take 4 out of 6 from Philadelphia and Atlanta but I won't be shocked (perhaps surprised) if they go 3-3. They're due for another cooling off and it won't matter who they're playing when that happens (i.e. San Diego & Milwaukee). I'll take a disappointing 3-3 against those schlubs if it means they take 2 of 3 from Washington but in any event even a 4-5 road trip won't be the end of the world. That's the beauty of jumping out to a 9 game lead after 2 months. #managingexpectations
They lost two Arrieta starts on the homestand. That was the cooling off. I posit they go at least 6-3 against the NL Least.
I have to remind myself that they will not win every single game even if it does feel like it. When they actually lose it's really weird.
The problem is that they have the advantage in pretty much every single game except for the time Kyle Hendricks was matched up against Madison Bumgarner so every loss is an upset. Even when you know there's no logical reason whatsoever to be irritated by going 8-2 on a homestand, I mean, shit, they should have won Arrieta/Kazmir and Arrieta/Ray matchups. That's weird.
The Cubs have been (Vegas) underdogs five times:
4/19 at St. Louis (Hammel vs. Garcia) - W, 2-1
4/20 at St. Louis (Hendricks vs. Martinez) - L, 5-3
5/2 at Pittsburgh (Hammel vs. Cole) - W, 7-2
5/6 vs. Washington (Lackey vs. Scherzer) - W, 8-6
5/22 at San Francisco (Hendricks vs. Bumgarner) - L, 1-0
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 12:57:45 PM
As much fun as this season is, I still find myself leaving the moment and thinking about next year, when Contreras, Almora and Schwarber get added to this squad.
That's a dumb thing to do. Don't anybody else do it.
This is the best Cubs team in any of our lifetimes. Drink in in every second.
Quote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 01:23:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 12:57:45 PM
As much fun as this season is, I still find myself leaving the moment and thinking about next year, when Contreras, Almora and Schwarber get added to this squad.
That's a dumb thing to do. Don't anybody else do it.
This is the best Cubs team in any of our lifetimes. Drink in in every second.
I will give a less than zero percent chance that Almora is better or even remotely as good next year as Dexter Fowler has been this year. That is a dumb thing to look forward to. You are correct to say this is dumb.
Quote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 01:23:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 12:57:45 PM
As much fun as this season is, I still find myself leaving the moment and thinking about next year, when Contreras, Almora and Schwarber get added to this squad.
That's a dumb thing to do. Don't anybody else do it.
This is the best Cubs team in any of our lifetimes. Drink in in every second.
I will give a less than zero percent chance that Almora is better or even remotely as good next year as Dexter Fowler has been this year. That is a dumb thing to look forward to. You are correct to say this is dumb.
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2016, 01:53:46 PMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 01:23:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 12:57:45 PM
As much fun as this season is, I still find myself leaving the moment and thinking about next year, when Contreras, Almora and Schwarber get added to this squad.
That's a dumb thing to do. Don't anybody else do it.
This is the best Cubs team in any of our lifetimes. Drink in in every second.
I will give a less than zero percent chance that Almora is better or even remotely as good next year as Dexter Fowler has been this year. That is a dumb thing to look forward to. You are correct to say this is dumb.
The difference between Fowler's current pace and a reasonable projection for Almora is like a loss of 8 wins over a full season, so ... looking forward to that, too.
(ETA: I also know what Fork meant, but still.)
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2016, 01:53:46 PMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 01:23:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 12:57:45 PM
As much fun as this season is, I still find myself leaving the moment and thinking about next year, when Contreras, Almora and Schwarber get added to this squad.
That's a dumb thing to do. Don't anybody else do it.
This is the best Cubs team in any of our lifetimes. Drink in in every second.
I will give a less than zero percent chance that Almora is better or even remotely as good next year as Dexter Fowler has been this year. That is a dumb thing to look forward to. You are correct to say this is dumb.
The difference between Fowler's current pace and a reasonable projection for Almora is like a loss of 8 wins over a full season, so ... looking forward to that, too.
(ETA: I also know what Fork meant, but still.)
Quote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 02:01:51 PMQuote from: Eli on June 06, 2016, 01:53:46 PMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 01:23:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 12:57:45 PM
As much fun as this season is, I still find myself leaving the moment and thinking about next year, when Contreras, Almora and Schwarber get added to this squad.
That's a dumb thing to do. Don't anybody else do it.
This is the best Cubs team in any of our lifetimes. Drink in in every second.
I will give a less than zero percent chance that Almora is better or even remotely as good next year as Dexter Fowler has been this year. That is a dumb thing to look forward to. You are correct to say this is dumb.
The difference between Fowler's current pace and a reasonable projection for Almora is like a loss of 8 wins over a full season, so ... looking forward to that, too.
(ETA: I also know what Fork meant, but still.)
I get what he was saying, he's just wrong because he's Fork. The main reason he is wrong being that Fowler is the coolest and a small part of me would probably miss him even once they inevitably replace him with Mike Trout, the second reason being that Willson is most definitely pulling a 2007 Soto, kicking ass in September, and stealing the starting catcher gig by the time of the playoffs, where his balls will savage the gaps of the Washington/Los Angeles/San Francisco/Boston outfields as he racks up double after double.
Quote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 02:01:51 PMQuote from: Eli on June 06, 2016, 01:53:46 PMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 01:23:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 12:57:45 PM
As much fun as this season is, I still find myself leaving the moment and thinking about next year, when Contreras, Almora and Schwarber get added to this squad.
That's a dumb thing to do. Don't anybody else do it.
This is the best Cubs team in any of our lifetimes. Drink in in every second.
I will give a less than zero percent chance that Almora is better or even remotely as good next year as Dexter Fowler has been this year. That is a dumb thing to look forward to. You are correct to say this is dumb.
The difference between Fowler's current pace and a reasonable projection for Almora is like a loss of 8 wins over a full season, so ... looking forward to that, too.
(ETA: I also know what Fork meant, but still.)
I get what he was saying, he's just wrong because he's Fork. The main reason he is wrong being that Fowler is the coolest and a small part of me would probably miss him even once they inevitably replace him with Mike Trout, the second reason being that Willson is most definitely pulling a 2007 Soto, kicking ass in September, and stealing the starting catcher gig by the time of the playoffs, where his balls will savage the gaps of the Washington/Los Angeles/San Francisco/Boston outfields as he racks up double after double.
Quote from: Oleg on June 06, 2016, 02:24:03 PMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 02:01:51 PMQuote from: Eli on June 06, 2016, 01:53:46 PMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 01:23:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 12:57:45 PM
As much fun as this season is, I still find myself leaving the moment and thinking about next year, when Contreras, Almora and Schwarber get added to this squad.
That's a dumb thing to do. Don't anybody else do it.
This is the best Cubs team in any of our lifetimes. Drink in in every second.
I will give a less than zero percent chance that Almora is better or even remotely as good next year as Dexter Fowler has been this year. That is a dumb thing to look forward to. You are correct to say this is dumb.
The difference between Fowler's current pace and a reasonable projection for Almora is like a loss of 8 wins over a full season, so ... looking forward to that, too.
(ETA: I also know what Fork meant, but still.)
I get what he was saying, he's just wrong because he's Fork. The main reason he is wrong being that Fowler is the coolest and a small part of me would probably miss him even once they inevitably replace him with Mike Trout, the second reason being that Willson is most definitely pulling a 2007 Soto, kicking ass in September, and stealing the starting catcher gig by the time of the playoffs, where his balls will savage the gaps of the Washington/Los Angeles/San Francisco/Boston outfields as he racks up double after double.
I find it hard to believe that Eli actually believes that Fowler finishes the year with 9-9.5 WAR.
Quote from: ChuckD on June 06, 2016, 03:18:49 PMQuote from: Oleg on June 06, 2016, 02:24:03 PMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 02:01:51 PMQuote from: Eli on June 06, 2016, 01:53:46 PMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 01:23:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 12:57:45 PM
As much fun as this season is, I still find myself leaving the moment and thinking about next year, when Contreras, Almora and Schwarber get added to this squad.
That's a dumb thing to do. Don't anybody else do it.
This is the best Cubs team in any of our lifetimes. Drink in in every second.
I will give a less than zero percent chance that Almora is better or even remotely as good next year as Dexter Fowler has been this year. That is a dumb thing to look forward to. You are correct to say this is dumb.
The difference between Fowler's current pace and a reasonable projection for Almora is like a loss of 8 wins over a full season, so ... looking forward to that, too.
(ETA: I also know what Fork meant, but still.)
I get what he was saying, he's just wrong because he's Fork. The main reason he is wrong being that Fowler is the coolest and a small part of me would probably miss him even once they inevitably replace him with Mike Trout, the second reason being that Willson is most definitely pulling a 2007 Soto, kicking ass in September, and stealing the starting catcher gig by the time of the playoffs, where his balls will savage the gaps of the Washington/Los Angeles/San Francisco/Boston outfields as he racks up double after double.
I find it hard to believe that Eli actually believes that Fowler finishes the year with 9-9.5 WAR.
I read it as Fowler would be worth 5.5 to 6 WAR whereas Almora would be -2.5.
Quote from: Oleg on June 06, 2016, 02:24:03 PMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 02:01:51 PMQuote from: Eli on June 06, 2016, 01:53:46 PMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 01:23:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 12:57:45 PM
As much fun as this season is, I still find myself leaving the moment and thinking about next year, when Contreras, Almora and Schwarber get added to this squad.
That's a dumb thing to do. Don't anybody else do it.
This is the best Cubs team in any of our lifetimes. Drink in in every second.
I will give a less than zero percent chance that Almora is better or even remotely as good next year as Dexter Fowler has been this year. That is a dumb thing to look forward to. You are correct to say this is dumb.
The difference between Fowler's current pace and a reasonable projection for Almora is like a loss of 8 wins over a full season, so ... looking forward to that, too.
(ETA: I also know what Fork meant, but still.)
I get what he was saying, he's just wrong because he's Fork. The main reason he is wrong being that Fowler is the coolest and a small part of me would probably miss him even once they inevitably replace him with Mike Trout, the second reason being that Willson is most definitely pulling a 2007 Soto, kicking ass in September, and stealing the starting catcher gig by the time of the playoffs, where his balls will savage the gaps of the Washington/Los Angeles/San Francisco/Boston outfields as he racks up double after double.
I find it hard to believe that Eli actually believes that Fowler finishes the year with 9-9.5 WAR.
Quote from: ChuckD on June 06, 2016, 03:18:49 PMQuote from: Oleg on June 06, 2016, 02:24:03 PMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 02:01:51 PMQuote from: Eli on June 06, 2016, 01:53:46 PMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 01:23:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 12:57:45 PM
As much fun as this season is, I still find myself leaving the moment and thinking about next year, when Contreras, Almora and Schwarber get added to this squad.
That's a dumb thing to do. Don't anybody else do it.
This is the best Cubs team in any of our lifetimes. Drink in in every second.
I will give a less than zero percent chance that Almora is better or even remotely as good next year as Dexter Fowler has been this year. That is a dumb thing to look forward to. You are correct to say this is dumb.
The difference between Fowler's current pace and a reasonable projection for Almora is like a loss of 8 wins over a full season, so ... looking forward to that, too.
(ETA: I also know what Fork meant, but still.)
I get what he was saying, he's just wrong because he's Fork. The main reason he is wrong being that Fowler is the coolest and a small part of me would probably miss him even once they inevitably replace him with Mike Trout, the second reason being that Willson is most definitely pulling a 2007 Soto, kicking ass in September, and stealing the starting catcher gig by the time of the playoffs, where his balls will savage the gaps of the Washington/Los Angeles/San Francisco/Boston outfields as he racks up double after double.
I find it hard to believe that Eli actually believes that Fowler finishes the year with 9-9.5 WAR.
I read it as Fowler would be worth 5.5 to 6 WAR whereas Almora would be -2.5.
Quote from: Grandmaster Wang on June 06, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
I am enjoying all this debate about a guy who's got about 4 weeks left in the Cubs system.
Say, anybody know how Almora's WAR stacks up against Andrew Miller's?
Seems to me that the three pillars of this here newly-minted 2017 Cubs Splooge Thread oughta be (the aforementioned Willson, the Return of the Schwar Machine, and perhaps more than anything else...) Every Day Javy.
But then, I suppose Every Day Javy might be an actual thing even before Almora not being a Cub anymore becomes a thing.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 04:23:23 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on June 06, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
I am enjoying all this debate about a guy who's got about 4 weeks left in the Cubs system.
Say, anybody know how Almora's WAR stacks up against Andrew Miller's?
Seems to me that the three pillars of this here newly-minted 2017 Cubs Splooge Thread oughta be (the aforementioned Willson, the Return of the Schwar Machine, and perhaps more than anything else...) Every Day Javy.
But then, I suppose Every Day Javy might be an actual thing even before Almora not being a Cub anymore becomes a thing.
The Yankees have no interest in Almora. They've got a fortune sunk into their outfield.
Quote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 04:25:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 04:23:23 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on June 06, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
I am enjoying all this debate about a guy who's got about 4 weeks left in the Cubs system.
Say, anybody know how Almora's WAR stacks up against Andrew Miller's?
Seems to me that the three pillars of this here newly-minted 2017 Cubs Splooge Thread oughta be (the aforementioned Willson, the Return of the Schwar Machine, and perhaps more than anything else...) Every Day Javy.
But then, I suppose Every Day Javy might be an actual thing even before Almora not being a Cub anymore becomes a thing.
The Yankees have no interest in Almora. They've got a fortune sunk into their outfield.
Scout Fork is now GM Fork. Because yeah the response to having bad expensive old outfielders certainly wouldn't be "replace them with cheap young outfielders" and the Yankees aren't a franchise with the money to pay guys to not play for them. No way.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 12:57:45 PMSpeak for yourself
As much fun as this season is, I still find myself leaving the moment and thinking about next year, when Contreras, Almora and Schwarber get added to this squad.
That's a dumb thing to do. Don't anybody else do it.
This is the best Cubs team in any of our lifetimes. Drink in in every second.
Quote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 04:25:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 04:23:23 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on June 06, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
I am enjoying all this debate about a guy who's got about 4 weeks left in the Cubs system.
Say, anybody know how Almora's WAR stacks up against Andrew Miller's?
Seems to me that the three pillars of this here newly-minted 2017 Cubs Splooge Thread oughta be (the aforementioned Willson, the Return of the Schwar Machine, and perhaps more than anything else...) Every Day Javy.
But then, I suppose Every Day Javy might be an actual thing even before Almora not being a Cub anymore becomes a thing.
The Yankees have no interest in Almora. They've got a fortune sunk into their outfield.
Scout Fork is now GM Fork. Because yeah the response to having bad expensive old outfielders certainly wouldn't be "replace them with cheap young outfielders" and the Yankees aren't a franchise with the money to pay guys to not play for them. No way.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:23:49 AMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 04:25:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 04:23:23 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on June 06, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
I am enjoying all this debate about a guy who's got about 4 weeks left in the Cubs system.
Say, anybody know how Almora's WAR stacks up against Andrew Miller's?
Seems to me that the three pillars of this here newly-minted 2017 Cubs Splooge Thread oughta be (the aforementioned Willson, the Return of the Schwar Machine, and perhaps more than anything else...) Every Day Javy.
But then, I suppose Every Day Javy might be an actual thing even before Almora not being a Cub anymore becomes a thing.
The Yankees have no interest in Almora. They've got a fortune sunk into their outfield.
Scout Fork is now GM Fork. Because yeah the response to having bad expensive old outfielders certainly wouldn't be "replace them with cheap young outfielders" and the Yankees aren't a franchise with the money to pay guys to not play for them. No way.
If they're shopping in the Cubs farm system, do you seriously think Almora is anywhere on their list? If he is, he's after Contreras, Underwood, Blackburn and Torres at the very least.
Quote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 08:27:42 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:23:49 AMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 04:25:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 04:23:23 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on June 06, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
I am enjoying all this debate about a guy who's got about 4 weeks left in the Cubs system.
Say, anybody know how Almora's WAR stacks up against Andrew Miller's?
Seems to me that the three pillars of this here newly-minted 2017 Cubs Splooge Thread oughta be (the aforementioned Willson, the Return of the Schwar Machine, and perhaps more than anything else...) Every Day Javy.
But then, I suppose Every Day Javy might be an actual thing even before Almora not being a Cub anymore becomes a thing.
The Yankees have no interest in Almora. They've got a fortune sunk into their outfield.
Scout Fork is now GM Fork. Because yeah the response to having bad expensive old outfielders certainly wouldn't be "replace them with cheap young outfielders" and the Yankees aren't a franchise with the money to pay guys to not play for them. No way.
If they're shopping in the Cubs farm system, do you seriously think Almora is anywhere on their list? If he is, he's after Contreras, Underwood, Blackburn and Torres at the very least.
I think if Almora is better than whatever they have in the pipeline in CF then yes, they're probably looking at him. That is how this works
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 08:27:42 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:23:49 AMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 04:25:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 04:23:23 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on June 06, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
I am enjoying all this debate about a guy who's got about 4 weeks left in the Cubs system.
Say, anybody know how Almora's WAR stacks up against Andrew Miller's?
Seems to me that the three pillars of this here newly-minted 2017 Cubs Splooge Thread oughta be (the aforementioned Willson, the Return of the Schwar Machine, and perhaps more than anything else...) Every Day Javy.
But then, I suppose Every Day Javy might be an actual thing even before Almora not being a Cub anymore becomes a thing.
The Yankees have no interest in Almora. They've got a fortune sunk into their outfield.
Scout Fork is now GM Fork. Because yeah the response to having bad expensive old outfielders certainly wouldn't be "replace them with cheap young outfielders" and the Yankees aren't a franchise with the money to pay guys to not play for them. No way.
If they're shopping in the Cubs farm system, do you seriously think Almora is anywhere on their list? If he is, he's after Contreras, Underwood, Blackburn and Torres at the very least.
I think if Almora is better than whatever they have in the pipeline in CF then yes, they're probably looking at him. That is how this works
If we're going by what the Yankees have in their pipeline, then shit, send them Murton.
Quote from: Oleg on June 07, 2016, 09:23:49 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 08:27:42 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:23:49 AMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 04:25:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 04:23:23 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on June 06, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
I am enjoying all this debate about a guy who's got about 4 weeks left in the Cubs system.
Say, anybody know how Almora's WAR stacks up against Andrew Miller's?
Seems to me that the three pillars of this here newly-minted 2017 Cubs Splooge Thread oughta be (the aforementioned Willson, the Return of the Schwar Machine, and perhaps more than anything else...) Every Day Javy.
But then, I suppose Every Day Javy might be an actual thing even before Almora not being a Cub anymore becomes a thing.
The Yankees have no interest in Almora. They've got a fortune sunk into their outfield.
Scout Fork is now GM Fork. Because yeah the response to having bad expensive old outfielders certainly wouldn't be "replace them with cheap young outfielders" and the Yankees aren't a franchise with the money to pay guys to not play for them. No way.
If they're shopping in the Cubs farm system, do you seriously think Almora is anywhere on their list? If he is, he's after Contreras, Underwood, Blackburn and Torres at the very least.
I think if Almora is better than whatever they have in the pipeline in CF then yes, they're probably looking at him. That is how this works
If we're going by what the Yankees have in their pipeline, then shit, send them Murton.
I have no idea what you're talking about anymore.
Quote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 09:25:26 AMQuote from: Oleg on June 07, 2016, 09:23:49 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 08:27:42 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:23:49 AMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 04:25:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 04:23:23 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on June 06, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
I am enjoying all this debate about a guy who's got about 4 weeks left in the Cubs system.
Say, anybody know how Almora's WAR stacks up against Andrew Miller's?
Seems to me that the three pillars of this here newly-minted 2017 Cubs Splooge Thread oughta be (the aforementioned Willson, the Return of the Schwar Machine, and perhaps more than anything else...) Every Day Javy.
But then, I suppose Every Day Javy might be an actual thing even before Almora not being a Cub anymore becomes a thing.
The Yankees have no interest in Almora. They've got a fortune sunk into their outfield.
Scout Fork is now GM Fork. Because yeah the response to having bad expensive old outfielders certainly wouldn't be "replace them with cheap young outfielders" and the Yankees aren't a franchise with the money to pay guys to not play for them. No way.
If they're shopping in the Cubs farm system, do you seriously think Almora is anywhere on their list? If he is, he's after Contreras, Underwood, Blackburn and Torres at the very least.
I think if Almora is better than whatever they have in the pipeline in CF then yes, they're probably looking at him. That is how this works
If we're going by what the Yankees have in their pipeline, then shit, send them Murton.
I have no idea what you're talking about anymore.
Basically if Theo calls about Miller, and he offers Almora, a top 100 prospect with a first round pedigree and gold glove caliber defense in CF and who is currently hitting well at AAA, Brian Cashman is going to call up Fork and say "well, Frank, we really need a center fielder in the system, but you say Almora isn't one of your arbitrary top 5 prospects in the Cubs system? Fuck that, then".
Quote from: Oleg on June 07, 2016, 09:30:18 AMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 09:25:26 AMQuote from: Oleg on June 07, 2016, 09:23:49 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 08:27:42 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:23:49 AMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 04:25:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 04:23:23 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on June 06, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
I am enjoying all this debate about a guy who's got about 4 weeks left in the Cubs system.
Say, anybody know how Almora's WAR stacks up against Andrew Miller's?
Seems to me that the three pillars of this here newly-minted 2017 Cubs Splooge Thread oughta be (the aforementioned Willson, the Return of the Schwar Machine, and perhaps more than anything else...) Every Day Javy.
But then, I suppose Every Day Javy might be an actual thing even before Almora not being a Cub anymore becomes a thing.
The Yankees have no interest in Almora. They've got a fortune sunk into their outfield.
Scout Fork is now GM Fork. Because yeah the response to having bad expensive old outfielders certainly wouldn't be "replace them with cheap young outfielders" and the Yankees aren't a franchise with the money to pay guys to not play for them. No way.
If they're shopping in the Cubs farm system, do you seriously think Almora is anywhere on their list? If he is, he's after Contreras, Underwood, Blackburn and Torres at the very least.
I think if Almora is better than whatever they have in the pipeline in CF then yes, they're probably looking at him. That is how this works
If we're going by what the Yankees have in their pipeline, then shit, send them Murton.
I have no idea what you're talking about anymore.
Basically if Theo calls about Miller, and he offers Almora, a top 100 prospect with a first round pedigree and gold glove caliber defense in CF and who is currently hitting well at AAA, Brian Cashman is going to call up Fork and say "well, Frank, we really need a center fielder in the system, but you say Almora isn't one of your arbitrary top 5 prospects in the Cubs system? Fuck that, then".
The Yankees have already traded for a gold-glove caliber CF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hicksaa01.shtml) with a 1st round pedigree in the last 7 months. Now, why that would preclude them from trading for another one is beyond me. I'm not convinced that's what Fork is talking about, though. I have no idea.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 09:35:39 AMQuote from: Oleg on June 07, 2016, 09:30:18 AMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 09:25:26 AMQuote from: Oleg on June 07, 2016, 09:23:49 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 08:27:42 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:23:49 AMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 04:25:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 04:23:23 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on June 06, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
I am enjoying all this debate about a guy who's got about 4 weeks left in the Cubs system.
Say, anybody know how Almora's WAR stacks up against Andrew Miller's?
Seems to me that the three pillars of this here newly-minted 2017 Cubs Splooge Thread oughta be (the aforementioned Willson, the Return of the Schwar Machine, and perhaps more than anything else...) Every Day Javy.
But then, I suppose Every Day Javy might be an actual thing even before Almora not being a Cub anymore becomes a thing.
The Yankees have no interest in Almora. They've got a fortune sunk into their outfield.
Scout Fork is now GM Fork. Because yeah the response to having bad expensive old outfielders certainly wouldn't be "replace them with cheap young outfielders" and the Yankees aren't a franchise with the money to pay guys to not play for them. No way.
If they're shopping in the Cubs farm system, do you seriously think Almora is anywhere on their list? If he is, he's after Contreras, Underwood, Blackburn and Torres at the very least.
I think if Almora is better than whatever they have in the pipeline in CF then yes, they're probably looking at him. That is how this works
If we're going by what the Yankees have in their pipeline, then shit, send them Murton.
I have no idea what you're talking about anymore.
Basically if Theo calls about Miller, and he offers Almora, a top 100 prospect with a first round pedigree and gold glove caliber defense in CF and who is currently hitting well at AAA, Brian Cashman is going to call up Fork and say "well, Frank, we really need a center fielder in the system, but you say Almora isn't one of your arbitrary top 5 prospects in the Cubs system? Fuck that, then".
The Yankees have already traded for a gold-glove caliber CF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hicksaa01.shtml) with a 1st round pedigree in the last 7 months. Now, why that would preclude them from trading for another one is beyond me. I'm not convinced that's what Fork is talking about, though. I have no idea.
They've got something the Cubs need, and the Cubs have very deep pockets, prospect-wise. Why trade for Almora when they are ass-deep in outfielders? As stated, they have Hicks, who is basically Almora anyway, and their top prospect is Judge, another outfielder.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 09:35:39 AMQuote from: Oleg on June 07, 2016, 09:30:18 AMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 09:25:26 AMQuote from: Oleg on June 07, 2016, 09:23:49 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 08:27:42 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:23:49 AMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 04:25:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 04:23:23 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on June 06, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
I am enjoying all this debate about a guy who's got about 4 weeks left in the Cubs system.
Say, anybody know how Almora's WAR stacks up against Andrew Miller's?
Seems to me that the three pillars of this here newly-minted 2017 Cubs Splooge Thread oughta be (the aforementioned Willson, the Return of the Schwar Machine, and perhaps more than anything else...) Every Day Javy.
But then, I suppose Every Day Javy might be an actual thing even before Almora not being a Cub anymore becomes a thing.
The Yankees have no interest in Almora. They've got a fortune sunk into their outfield.
Scout Fork is now GM Fork. Because yeah the response to having bad expensive old outfielders certainly wouldn't be "replace them with cheap young outfielders" and the Yankees aren't a franchise with the money to pay guys to not play for them. No way.
If they're shopping in the Cubs farm system, do you seriously think Almora is anywhere on their list? If he is, he's after Contreras, Underwood, Blackburn and Torres at the very least.
I think if Almora is better than whatever they have in the pipeline in CF then yes, they're probably looking at him. That is how this works
If we're going by what the Yankees have in their pipeline, then shit, send them Murton.
I have no idea what you're talking about anymore.
Basically if Theo calls about Miller, and he offers Almora, a top 100 prospect with a first round pedigree and gold glove caliber defense in CF and who is currently hitting well at AAA, Brian Cashman is going to call up Fork and say "well, Frank, we really need a center fielder in the system, but you say Almora isn't one of your arbitrary top 5 prospects in the Cubs system? Fuck that, then".
The Yankees have already traded for a gold-glove caliber CF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hicksaa01.shtml) with a 1st round pedigree in the last 7 months. Now, why that would preclude them from trading for another one is beyond me. I'm not convinced that's what Fork is talking about, though. I have no idea.
They've got something the Cubs need, and the Cubs have very deep pockets, prospect-wise. Why trade for Almora when they are ass-deep in outfielders? As stated, they have Hicks, who is basically Almora anyway, and their top prospect is Judge, another outfielder.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 09:35:39 AMQuote from: Oleg on June 07, 2016, 09:30:18 AMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 09:25:26 AMQuote from: Oleg on June 07, 2016, 09:23:49 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 08:27:42 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:23:49 AMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 04:25:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 04:23:23 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on June 06, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
I am enjoying all this debate about a guy who's got about 4 weeks left in the Cubs system.
Say, anybody know how Almora's WAR stacks up against Andrew Miller's?
Seems to me that the three pillars of this here newly-minted 2017 Cubs Splooge Thread oughta be (the aforementioned Willson, the Return of the Schwar Machine, and perhaps more than anything else...) Every Day Javy.
But then, I suppose Every Day Javy might be an actual thing even before Almora not being a Cub anymore becomes a thing.
The Yankees have no interest in Almora. They've got a fortune sunk into their outfield.
Scout Fork is now GM Fork. Because yeah the response to having bad expensive old outfielders certainly wouldn't be "replace them with cheap young outfielders" and the Yankees aren't a franchise with the money to pay guys to not play for them. No way.
If they're shopping in the Cubs farm system, do you seriously think Almora is anywhere on their list? If he is, he's after Contreras, Underwood, Blackburn and Torres at the very least.
I think if Almora is better than whatever they have in the pipeline in CF then yes, they're probably looking at him. That is how this works
If we're going by what the Yankees have in their pipeline, then shit, send them Murton.
I have no idea what you're talking about anymore.
Basically if Theo calls about Miller, and he offers Almora, a top 100 prospect with a first round pedigree and gold glove caliber defense in CF and who is currently hitting well at AAA, Brian Cashman is going to call up Fork and say "well, Frank, we really need a center fielder in the system, but you say Almora isn't one of your arbitrary top 5 prospects in the Cubs system? Fuck that, then".
The Yankees have already traded for a gold-glove caliber CF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hicksaa01.shtml) with a 1st round pedigree in the last 7 months. Now, why that would preclude them from trading for another one is beyond me. I'm not convinced that's what Fork is talking about, though. I have no idea.
They've got something the Cubs need, and the Cubs have very deep pockets, prospect-wise. Why trade for Almora when they are ass-deep in outfielders? As stated, they have Hicks, who is basically Almora anyway, and their top prospect is Judge, another outfielder.
Quote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 09:47:26 AM
Almora is still a top 100 prospect. I'm pretty sure only one top 100 prospect was moved at all last year when David Price and others were on the market. Almora is a pretty valuable trade chip, and the Yankees would be downright dumb not to consider him as a big part of any trade for a reliever, however good that reliever is. For all that we've been down on Almora there are not many teams in the majors that have expendable guys of his caliber in their system. Hell the White Sox are hoarding Tim Anderson and I'm not sure he'd have been even the third best shortstop in the Cubs system last year.
Quote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 09:54:54 AM
Heck, Cole Hamels was the prize piece of the last two years and he netted:
Jerad Eickhoff (never even ranked)
Jorge Alfaro, AA Catcher, highest ranking was #31
Jake Thompson, roughly about the same caliber of prospect as Duane Underwood
Nick Williams, outfielder ranked about as highly as Billy McKinney
Matt Harrison (salary dump)
So a top tier starting pitcher under a below market value contract who was the biggest fish in the sea for two offseasons netted one top 50 prospect, another 70/80ish ranked OF, two middle of the rotations starter prospects, and the Phillies had to eat Matt Harrison's salary to get Texas to give up those guys.
You're telling me a relief pitcher is going to net a prospect package better than that? Because if not, Albert Almora would seem like a pretty damn good get for the Yankees.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 07, 2016, 09:57:57 AM
So we're sold on Tim Anderson then? I'm just trying to keep up.
Quote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 09:54:54 AM
Heck, Cole Hamels was the prize piece of the last two years and he netted:
Jerad Eickhoff (never even ranked)
Jorge Alfaro, AA Catcher, highest ranking was #31
Jake Thompson, roughly about the same caliber of prospect as Duane Underwood
Nick Williams, outfielder ranked about as highly as Billy McKinney
Matt Harrison (salary dump)
So a top tier starting pitcher under a below market value contract who was the biggest fish in the sea for two offseasons netted one top 50 prospect, another 70/80ish ranked OF, two middle of the rotations starter prospects, and the Phillies had to eat Matt Harrison's salary to get Texas to give up those guys.
You're telling me a relief pitcher is going to net a prospect package better than that? Because if not, Albert Almora would seem like a pretty damn good get for the Yankees.
Quote from: Oleg on June 07, 2016, 09:23:49 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 08:27:42 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:23:49 AMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 04:25:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 04:23:23 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on June 06, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
I am enjoying all this debate about a guy who's got about 4 weeks left in the Cubs system.
Say, anybody know how Almora's WAR stacks up against Andrew Miller's?
Seems to me that the three pillars of this here newly-minted 2017 Cubs Splooge Thread oughta be (the aforementioned Willson, the Return of the Schwar Machine, and perhaps more than anything else...) Every Day Javy.
But then, I suppose Every Day Javy might be an actual thing even before Almora not being a Cub anymore becomes a thing.
The Yankees have no interest in Almora. They've got a fortune sunk into their outfield.
Scout Fork is now GM Fork. Because yeah the response to having bad expensive old outfielders certainly wouldn't be "replace them with cheap young outfielders" and the Yankees aren't a franchise with the money to pay guys to not play for them. No way.
If they're shopping in the Cubs farm system, do you seriously think Almora is anywhere on their list? If he is, he's after Contreras, Underwood, Blackburn and Torres at the very least.
I think if Almora is better than whatever they have in the pipeline in CF then yes, they're probably looking at him. That is how this works
If we're going by what the Yankees have in their pipeline, then shit, send them Murton.
I have no idea what you're talking about anymore.
Quote from: PANK! on June 07, 2016, 10:29:57 AMQuote from: Oleg on June 07, 2016, 09:23:49 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 08:27:42 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:23:49 AMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 04:25:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 04:23:23 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on June 06, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
I am enjoying all this debate about a guy who's got about 4 weeks left in the Cubs system.
Say, anybody know how Almora's WAR stacks up against Andrew Miller's?
Seems to me that the three pillars of this here newly-minted 2017 Cubs Splooge Thread oughta be (the aforementioned Willson, the Return of the Schwar Machine, and perhaps more than anything else...) Every Day Javy.
But then, I suppose Every Day Javy might be an actual thing even before Almora not being a Cub anymore becomes a thing.
The Yankees have no interest in Almora. They've got a fortune sunk into their outfield.
Scout Fork is now GM Fork. Because yeah the response to having bad expensive old outfielders certainly wouldn't be "replace them with cheap young outfielders" and the Yankees aren't a franchise with the money to pay guys to not play for them. No way.
If they're shopping in the Cubs farm system, do you seriously think Almora is anywhere on their list? If he is, he's after Contreras, Underwood, Blackburn and Torres at the very least.
I think if Almora is better than whatever they have in the pipeline in CF then yes, they're probably looking at him. That is how this works
If we're going by what the Yankees have in their pipeline, then shit, send them Murton.
I have no idea what you're talking about anymore.
Oh, nothing but two seemingly diametrically-opposed notions in sucessive posts, my god it's nearly taken my breath away, beginning with some Matt Harvey-sized Forkperbole: A) Yankees have no need Almora, he's down their list etc. and then B) The Yankees minor leagueoutfielddepth is so thin that Matt Murton would be an improvement, they'd happily take him.
I need to sit down.
Quote from: PANK! on June 07, 2016, 10:29:57 AMQuote from: Oleg on June 07, 2016, 09:23:49 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 08:27:42 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:23:49 AMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 04:25:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 04:23:23 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on June 06, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
I am enjoying all this debate about a guy who's got about 4 weeks left in the Cubs system.
Say, anybody know how Almora's WAR stacks up against Andrew Miller's?
Seems to me that the three pillars of this here newly-minted 2017 Cubs Splooge Thread oughta be (the aforementioned Willson, the Return of the Schwar Machine, and perhaps more than anything else...) Every Day Javy.
But then, I suppose Every Day Javy might be an actual thing even before Almora not being a Cub anymore becomes a thing.
The Yankees have no interest in Almora. They've got a fortune sunk into their outfield.
Scout Fork is now GM Fork. Because yeah the response to having bad expensive old outfielders certainly wouldn't be "replace them with cheap young outfielders" and the Yankees aren't a franchise with the money to pay guys to not play for them. No way.
If they're shopping in the Cubs farm system, do you seriously think Almora is anywhere on their list? If he is, he's after Contreras, Underwood, Blackburn and Torres at the very least.
I think if Almora is better than whatever they have in the pipeline in CF then yes, they're probably looking at him. That is how this works
If we're going by what the Yankees have in their pipeline, then shit, send them Murton.
I have no idea what you're talking about anymore.
Oh, nothing but two seemingly diametrically-opposed notions in sucessive posts, my god it's nearly taken my breath away, beginning with some Matt Harvey-sized Forkperbole: A) Yankees have no need Almora, he's down their list etc. and then B) The Yankees minor league outfield depth is so thin that Matt Murton would be an improvement, they'd happily take him.
I need to sit down.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 11:01:49 AMQuote from: PANK! on June 07, 2016, 10:29:57 AMQuote from: Oleg on June 07, 2016, 09:23:49 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 08:27:42 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:23:49 AMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 04:25:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 04:23:23 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on June 06, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
I am enjoying all this debate about a guy who's got about 4 weeks left in the Cubs system.
Say, anybody know how Almora's WAR stacks up against Andrew Miller's?
Seems to me that the three pillars of this here newly-minted 2017 Cubs Splooge Thread oughta be (the aforementioned Willson, the Return of the Schwar Machine, and perhaps more than anything else...) Every Day Javy.
But then, I suppose Every Day Javy might be an actual thing even before Almora not being a Cub anymore becomes a thing.
The Yankees have no interest in Almora. They've got a fortune sunk into their outfield.
Scout Fork is now GM Fork. Because yeah the response to having bad expensive old outfielders certainly wouldn't be "replace them with cheap young outfielders" and the Yankees aren't a franchise with the money to pay guys to not play for them. No way.
If they're shopping in the Cubs farm system, do you seriously think Almora is anywhere on their list? If he is, he's after Contreras, Underwood, Blackburn and Torres at the very least.
I think if Almora is better than whatever they have in the pipeline in CF then yes, they're probably looking at him. That is how this works
If we're going by what the Yankees have in their pipeline, then shit, send them Murton.
I have no idea what you're talking about anymore.
Oh, nothing but two seemingly diametrically-opposed notions in sucessive posts, my god it's nearly taken my breath away, beginning with some Matt Harvey-sized Forkperbole: A) Yankees have no need Almora, he's down their list etc. and then B) The Yankees minor leagueoutfielddepth is so thin that Matt Murton would be an improvement, they'd happily take him.
I need to sit down.
Their entire farm system is putrid. But they just happen to have greater needs than center field.
Quote from: Canadouche on June 07, 2016, 11:32:20 AMQuote from: PANK! on June 07, 2016, 10:29:57 AMQuote from: Oleg on June 07, 2016, 09:23:49 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 08:27:42 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:23:49 AMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 04:25:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 04:23:23 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on June 06, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
I am enjoying all this debate about a guy who's got about 4 weeks left in the Cubs system.
Say, anybody know how Almora's WAR stacks up against Andrew Miller's?
Seems to me that the three pillars of this here newly-minted 2017 Cubs Splooge Thread oughta be (the aforementioned Willson, the Return of the Schwar Machine, and perhaps more than anything else...) Every Day Javy.
But then, I suppose Every Day Javy might be an actual thing even before Almora not being a Cub anymore becomes a thing.
The Yankees have no interest in Almora. They've got a fortune sunk into their outfield.
Scout Fork is now GM Fork. Because yeah the response to having bad expensive old outfielders certainly wouldn't be "replace them with cheap young outfielders" and the Yankees aren't a franchise with the money to pay guys to not play for them. No way.
If they're shopping in the Cubs farm system, do you seriously think Almora is anywhere on their list? If he is, he's after Contreras, Underwood, Blackburn and Torres at the very least.
I think if Almora is better than whatever they have in the pipeline in CF then yes, they're probably looking at him. That is how this works
If we're going by what the Yankees have in their pipeline, then shit, send them Murton.
I have no idea what you're talking about anymore.
Oh, nothing but two seemingly diametrically-opposed notions in sucessive posts, my god it's nearly taken my breath away, beginning with some Matt Harvey-sized Forkperbole: A) Yankees have no need Almora, he's down their list etc. and then B) The Yankees minor league outfield depth is so thin that Matt Murton would be an improvement, they'd happily take him.
I need to sit down.
I ... think Fork is saying that Almora is a gem the Cubs don't need to part with to get what they want from the Yankees.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 10:09:16 AMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 09:54:54 AM
Heck, Cole Hamels was the prize piece of the last two years and he netted:
Jerad Eickhoff (never even ranked)
Jorge Alfaro, AA Catcher, highest ranking was #31
Jake Thompson, roughly about the same caliber of prospect as Duane Underwood
Nick Williams, outfielder ranked about as highly as Billy McKinney
Matt Harrison (salary dump)
So a top tier starting pitcher under a below market value contract who was the biggest fish in the sea for two offseasons netted one top 50 prospect, another 70/80ish ranked OF, two middle of the rotations starter prospects, and the Phillies had to eat Matt Harrison's salary to get Texas to give up those guys.
You're telling me a relief pitcher is going to net a prospect package better than that? Because if not, Albert Almora would seem like a pretty damn good get for the Yankees.
Since it's Sterling and Hoyer negotiating, by the end of it all, I wouldn't be surprised if the Yankees wind up being giddy over getting Vogelbach. They do always get glassy-eyed over LH power bats.
Quote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 09:57:49 AM
Papelbon was the best reliever traded at last year's deadline (and he's not as good or as young as Miller so Miller would undoubtedly get a bigger return) and the Nats got him for their organizational equivalent of Pen's beloved Ryan Williams.
Quote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 11:44:31 AMQuote from: Canadouche on June 07, 2016, 11:32:20 AMQuote from: PANK! on June 07, 2016, 10:29:57 AMQuote from: Oleg on June 07, 2016, 09:23:49 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 08:27:42 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:23:49 AMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 04:25:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 04:23:23 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on June 06, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
I am enjoying all this debate about a guy who's got about 4 weeks left in the Cubs system.
Say, anybody know how Almora's WAR stacks up against Andrew Miller's?
Seems to me that the three pillars of this here newly-minted 2017 Cubs Splooge Thread oughta be (the aforementioned Willson, the Return of the Schwar Machine, and perhaps more than anything else...) Every Day Javy.
But then, I suppose Every Day Javy might be an actual thing even before Almora not being a Cub anymore becomes a thing.
The Yankees have no interest in Almora. They've got a fortune sunk into their outfield.
Scout Fork is now GM Fork. Because yeah the response to having bad expensive old outfielders certainly wouldn't be "replace them with cheap young outfielders" and the Yankees aren't a franchise with the money to pay guys to not play for them. No way.
If they're shopping in the Cubs farm system, do you seriously think Almora is anywhere on their list? If he is, he's after Contreras, Underwood, Blackburn and Torres at the very least.
I think if Almora is better than whatever they have in the pipeline in CF then yes, they're probably looking at him. That is how this works
If we're going by what the Yankees have in their pipeline, then shit, send them Murton.
I have no idea what you're talking about anymore.
Oh, nothing but two seemingly diametrically-opposed notions in sucessive posts, my god it's nearly taken my breath away, beginning with some Matt Harvey-sized Forkperbole: A) Yankees have no need Almora, he's down their list etc. and then B) The Yankees minor league outfield depth is so thin that Matt Murton would be an improvement, they'd happily take him.
I need to sit down.
I ... think Fork is saying that Almora is a gem the Cubs don't need to part with to get what they want from the Yankees.
maybe that was what his second statement indicated, but that completely contradicts his first post, which basically said the Yankees would refuse to negotiate unless the Cubs gave up one of their prospects that's better than Almora.
Quote from: Oleg on June 07, 2016, 09:59:08 AMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 09:54:54 AM
Heck, Cole Hamels was the prize piece of the last two years and he netted:
Jerad Eickhoff (never even ranked)
Jorge Alfaro, AA Catcher, highest ranking was #31
Jake Thompson, roughly about the same caliber of prospect as Duane Underwood
Nick Williams, outfielder ranked about as highly as Billy McKinney
Matt Harrison (salary dump)
So a top tier starting pitcher under a below market value contract who was the biggest fish in the sea for two offseasons netted one top 50 prospect, another 70/80ish ranked OF, two middle of the rotations starter prospects, and the Phillies had to eat Matt Harrison's salary to get Texas to give up those guys.
You're telling me a relief pitcher is going to net a prospect package better than that? Because if not, Albert Almora would seem like a pretty damn good get for the Yankees.
Counterpoint: Shelby Miller
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 01:12:14 PMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 11:44:31 AMQuote from: Canadouche on June 07, 2016, 11:32:20 AMQuote from: PANK! on June 07, 2016, 10:29:57 AMQuote from: Oleg on June 07, 2016, 09:23:49 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 08:27:42 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:23:49 AMQuote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 04:25:34 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 06, 2016, 04:23:23 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on June 06, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
I am enjoying all this debate about a guy who's got about 4 weeks left in the Cubs system.
Say, anybody know how Almora's WAR stacks up against Andrew Miller's?
Seems to me that the three pillars of this here newly-minted 2017 Cubs Splooge Thread oughta be (the aforementioned Willson, the Return of the Schwar Machine, and perhaps more than anything else...) Every Day Javy.
But then, I suppose Every Day Javy might be an actual thing even before Almora not being a Cub anymore becomes a thing.
The Yankees have no interest in Almora. They've got a fortune sunk into their outfield.
Scout Fork is now GM Fork. Because yeah the response to having bad expensive old outfielders certainly wouldn't be "replace them with cheap young outfielders" and the Yankees aren't a franchise with the money to pay guys to not play for them. No way.
If they're shopping in the Cubs farm system, do you seriously think Almora is anywhere on their list? If he is, he's after Contreras, Underwood, Blackburn and Torres at the very least.
I think if Almora is better than whatever they have in the pipeline in CF then yes, they're probably looking at him. That is how this works
If we're going by what the Yankees have in their pipeline, then shit, send them Murton.
I have no idea what you're talking about anymore.
Oh, nothing but two seemingly diametrically-opposed notions in sucessive posts, my god it's nearly taken my breath away, beginning with some Matt Harvey-sized Forkperbole: A) Yankees have no need Almora, he's down their list etc. and then B) The Yankees minor league outfield depth is so thin that Matt Murton would be an improvement, they'd happily take him.
I need to sit down.
I ... think Fork is saying that Almora is a gem the Cubs don't need to part with to get what they want from the Yankees.
maybe that was what his second statement indicated, but that completely contradicts his first post, which basically said the Yankees would refuse to negotiate unless the Cubs gave up one of their prospects that's better than Almora.
I also don't think Almora is the guy who is going to make Yankee front office people's nether regions tingly. A glove guy with no power is something they don't usually pursue.
Quote from: Shooter on June 07, 2016, 12:34:45 PMQuote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 09:57:49 AM
Papelbon was the best reliever traded at last year's deadline (and he's not as good or as young as Miller so Miller would undoubtedly get a bigger return) and the Nats got him for their organizational equivalent of Pen's beloved Ryan Williams.
The Red Sox got a pretty good haul for Miller when they traded him at the deadline in 2014 (when he was a FA after the season).
Quote from: PenFoe on June 07, 2016, 11:18:57 PM
What the hell is Federowicz still doing on this team? Did everyone forget he's on the roster? He has 5 ABs in the last 21 days.
Edwards, Contreras, Vogelbach, Kawasaki, Alcantra, Kalish, Felix Pena, Spencer Patton - all of those dudes make more sense than having this guy on the roster.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 07, 2016, 11:18:57 PM
What the hell is Federowicz still doing on this team? Did everyone forget he's on the roster? He has 5 ABs in the last 21 days.
Edwards, Contreras, Vogelbach, Kawasaki, Alcantra, Kalish, Felix Pena, Spencer Patton - all of those dudes make more sense than having this guy on the roster.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 08, 2016, 08:09:41 AMQuote from: PenFoe on June 07, 2016, 11:18:57 PM
What the hell is Federowicz still doing on this team? Did everyone forget he's on the roster? He has 5 ABs in the last 21 days.
Edwards, Contreras, Vogelbach, Kawasaki, Alcantra, Kalish, Felix Pena, Spencer Patton - all of those dudes make more sense than having this guy on the roster.
SKO, Toyota Jan, Ronnie Woo-Woo
Quote from: PenFoe on June 07, 2016, 11:18:57 PM
What the hell is Federowicz still doing on this team? Did everyone forget he's on the roster? He has 5 ABs in the last 21 days.
Edwards, Contreras, Vogelbach, Kawasaki, Alcantra, Kalish, Felix Pena, Spencer Patton - all of those dudes make more sense than having this guy on the roster.
Quote from: Oleg on June 08, 2016, 08:13:02 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 08, 2016, 08:09:41 AMQuote from: PenFoe on June 07, 2016, 11:18:57 PM
What the hell is Federowicz still doing on this team? Did everyone forget he's on the roster? He has 5 ABs in the last 21 days.
Edwards, Contreras, Vogelbach, Kawasaki, Alcantra, Kalish, Felix Pena, Spencer Patton - all of those dudes make more sense than having this guy on the roster.
SKO, Toyota Jan, Ronnie Woo-Woo
What is people who wear an onion on their belt?
Quote from: Oleg on June 08, 2016, 08:13:02 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 08, 2016, 08:09:41 AMQuote from: PenFoe on June 07, 2016, 11:18:57 PM
What the hell is Federowicz still doing on this team? Did everyone forget he's on the roster? He has 5 ABs in the last 21 days.
Edwards, Contreras, Vogelbach, Kawasaki, Alcantra, Kalish, Felix Pena, Spencer Patton - all of those dudes make more sense than having this guy on the roster.
SKO, Toyota Jan, Ronnie Woo-Woo
What is people who wear an onion on their belt?
Quote from: Bort on June 08, 2016, 08:56:54 AMQuote from: Oleg on June 08, 2016, 08:13:02 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 08, 2016, 08:09:41 AMQuote from: PenFoe on June 07, 2016, 11:18:57 PM
What the hell is Federowicz still doing on this team? Did everyone forget he's on the roster? He has 5 ABs in the last 21 days.
Edwards, Contreras, Vogelbach, Kawasaki, Alcantra, Kalish, Felix Pena, Spencer Patton - all of those dudes make more sense than having this guy on the roster.
SKO, Toyota Jan, Ronnie Woo-Woo
What is people who wear an onion on their belt?
SKO in a belt? It's like you've never even read the meme spreadsheet.
Quote from: Bort on June 08, 2016, 08:56:54 AMQuote from: Oleg on June 08, 2016, 08:13:02 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 08, 2016, 08:09:41 AMQuote from: PenFoe on June 07, 2016, 11:18:57 PM
What the hell is Federowicz still doing on this team? Did everyone forget he's on the roster? He has 5 ABs in the last 21 days.
Edwards, Contreras, Vogelbach, Kawasaki, Alcantra, Kalish, Felix Pena, Spencer Patton - all of those dudes make more sense than having this guy on the roster.
SKO, Toyota Jan, Ronnie Woo-Woo
What is people who wear an onion on their belt?
SKO in a belt? It's like you've never even read the meme spreadsheet.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 08, 2016, 09:31:02 AM
Seriously, a couple crackheads couldn't be any worse on this roster than Richard and Fererowicz.
Quote from: SKO on June 08, 2016, 08:58:35 AMQuote from: Bort on June 08, 2016, 08:56:54 AMQuote from: Oleg on June 08, 2016, 08:13:02 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 08, 2016, 08:09:41 AMQuote from: PenFoe on June 07, 2016, 11:18:57 PM
What the hell is Federowicz still doing on this team? Did everyone forget he's on the roster? He has 5 ABs in the last 21 days.
Edwards, Contreras, Vogelbach, Kawasaki, Alcantra, Kalish, Felix Pena, Spencer Patton - all of those dudes make more sense than having this guy on the roster.
SKO, Toyota Jan, Ronnie Woo-Woo
What is people who wear an onion on their belt?
SKO in a belt? It's like you've never even read the meme spreadsheet.
Oh I've got a belt
(http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/c_limit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_680/cf94la5n0bnnvbekae0d.jpg)
Quote from: Bort on June 08, 2016, 11:52:23 PM
I almost got into a fight with my Father-In-Law on Sunday because he thinks the Cubs offense is terrible compared to other teams, largely because they don't have many .300 hitters.
Is this how SKO feels all the time?
Quote from: Bort on June 08, 2016, 11:52:23 PM
I almost got into a fight with my Father-In-Law on Sunday because he thinks the Cubs offense is terrible compared to other teams, largely because they don't have many .300 hitters.
Is this how SKO feels all the time?
Quote from: SKO on June 09, 2016, 07:15:44 AM
But back when I was an active participant in The Cutler Wars, lord, the family gatherings I ruined.
Quote from: Yeti on June 09, 2016, 08:00:39 AMQuote from: Bort on June 08, 2016, 11:52:23 PM
I almost got into a fight with my Father-In-Law on Sunday because he thinks the Cubs offense is terrible compared to other teams, largely because they don't have many .300 hitters.
Is this how SKO feels all the time?
My FIL is a Cardinal fan. I try to avoid the subject of baseball at all costs.Quote from: SKO on June 09, 2016, 07:15:44 AM
But back when I was an active participant in The Cutler Wars, lord, the family gatherings I ruined.
I can't tell if I miss that SKO or I'm glad that SKO is gone. It's really odd.
Quote from: Yeti on June 10, 2016, 08:08:48 AM
I assume Theo must have taken someone pretty awesome yesterday
Quote from: ChuckD on June 12, 2016, 07:33:37 PM
Through 61 games, they've got a run differential of +162 which would equates to a pace of +430 over 162 games. Since 2007, the largest run differential in a season is 221 (2015 Blue Jays).
They're also 23-3 in games decided by 5 runs or more.
On average, there's maybe 2-3 teams a year who win 30+ games by 5 or more runs.
There's maybe 1-2 teams a decade who win 40+ games by 5+ runs.
If I can get Retrosheet's DB to install, I suspect I'll find there's maybe 1-2 per half-century that win 50+ games by 5+ runs.
The Cubs are currently on pace to go 61-8 in 5 run games.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 12, 2016, 10:24:58 PMQuote from: ChuckD on June 12, 2016, 07:33:37 PM
Through 61 games, they've got a run differential of +162 which would equates to a pace of +430 over 162 games. Since 2007, the largest run differential in a season is 221 (2015 Blue Jays).
They're also 23-3 in games decided by 5 runs or more.
On average, there's maybe 2-3 teams a year who win 30+ games by 5 or more runs.
There's maybe 1-2 teams a decade who win 40+ games by 5+ runs.
If I can get Retrosheet's DB to install, I suspect I'll find there's maybe 1-2 per half-century that win 50+ games by 5+ runs.
The Cubs are currently on pace to go 61-8 in 5 run games.
Yeah, but Clayton Richard.
Quote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AMCareer 27-42 record, and a 4.85 ERA.
This was predictable (and smart): [http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/]Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. [/url]
Quote from: CBStew on June 14, 2016, 11:41:41 AMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AMCareer 27-42 record, and a 4.85 ERA.
This was predictable (and smart): [http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/]Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. [/url]
Quote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AM
This was predictable (and smart): Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. (http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/)
Quote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:46:08 AMQuote from: CBStew on June 14, 2016, 11:41:41 AMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AMCareer 27-42 record, and a 4.85 ERA.
This was predictable (and smart): [http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/]Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. [/url]
His career as a reliever: 3.47 ERA, 179-63 K:BB ratio. Lefties have hit just .211/.269/.358/.627 against him in his career. If he's healthy he could be a big upgrade as the LOOGY without them having to give up anything stupid for a guy like Miller.
Quote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 01:20:52 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:46:08 AMQuote from: CBStew on June 14, 2016, 11:41:41 AMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AMCareer 27-42 record, and a 4.85 ERA.
This was predictable (and smart): [http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/]Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. [/url]
His career as a reliever: 3.47 ERA, 179-63 K:BB ratio. Lefties have hit just .211/.269/.358/.627 against him in his career. If he's healthy he could be a big upgrade as the LOOGY without them having to give up anything stupid for a guy like Miller.
I'd rather they just give up something stupid* and have Andrew Miller.
* This, obviously, shouldn't mean Baez or Schwarber, since that's well beyond stupid.
Quote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 01:20:52 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:46:08 AMQuote from: CBStew on June 14, 2016, 11:41:41 AMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AMCareer 27-42 record, and a 4.85 ERA.
This was predictable (and smart): [http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/]Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. [/url]
His career as a reliever: 3.47 ERA, 179-63 K:BB ratio. Lefties have hit just .211/.269/.358/.627 against him in his career. If he's healthy he could be a big upgrade as the LOOGY without them having to give up anything stupid for a guy like Miller.
I'd rather they just give up something stupid* and have Andrew Miller.
* This, obviously, shouldn't mean Baez or Schwarber, since that's well beyond stupid.
Quote from: PANK! on June 14, 2016, 01:34:07 PMQuote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 01:20:52 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:46:08 AMQuote from: CBStew on June 14, 2016, 11:41:41 AMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AMCareer 27-42 record, and a 4.85 ERA.
This was predictable (and smart): [http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/]Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. [/url]
His career as a reliever: 3.47 ERA, 179-63 K:BB ratio. Lefties have hit just .211/.269/.358/.627 against him in his career. If he's healthy he could be a big upgrade as the LOOGY without them having to give up anything stupid for a guy like Miller.
I'd rather they just give up something stupid* and have Andrew Miller.
* This, obviously, shouldn't mean Baez or Schwarber, since that's well beyond stupid.
Contreras?
Torres?
Quote from: PANK! on June 14, 2016, 01:34:07 PMQuote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 01:20:52 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:46:08 AMQuote from: CBStew on June 14, 2016, 11:41:41 AMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AMCareer 27-42 record, and a 4.85 ERA.
This was predictable (and smart): [http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/]Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. [/url]
His career as a reliever: 3.47 ERA, 179-63 K:BB ratio. Lefties have hit just .211/.269/.358/.627 against him in his career. If he's healthy he could be a big upgrade as the LOOGY without them having to give up anything stupid for a guy like Miller.
I'd rather they just give up something stupid* and have Andrew Miller.
* This, obviously, shouldn't mean Baez or Schwarber, since that's well beyond stupid.
Contreras?
Torres?
Quote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 01:28:42 PMQuote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 01:20:52 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:46:08 AMQuote from: CBStew on June 14, 2016, 11:41:41 AMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AMCareer 27-42 record, and a 4.85 ERA.
This was predictable (and smart): [http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/]Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. [/url]
His career as a reliever: 3.47 ERA, 179-63 K:BB ratio. Lefties have hit just .211/.269/.358/.627 against him in his career. If he's healthy he could be a big upgrade as the LOOGY without them having to give up anything stupid for a guy like Miller.
I'd rather they just give up something stupid* and have Andrew Miller.
* This, obviously, shouldn't mean Baez or Schwarber, since that's well beyond stupid.
Agreed, I just don't know how much stock to put into Buster Olney's report that the Yankees basically aren't motivated to move him yet unless the return is that stupid. If we're talking Gleyber Torres or something, sign me up I guess.
Quote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 01:38:09 PMQuote from: PANK! on June 14, 2016, 01:34:07 PMQuote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 01:20:52 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:46:08 AMQuote from: CBStew on June 14, 2016, 11:41:41 AMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AMCareer 27-42 record, and a 4.85 ERA.
This was predictable (and smart): [http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/]Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. [/url]
His career as a reliever: 3.47 ERA, 179-63 K:BB ratio. Lefties have hit just .211/.269/.358/.627 against him in his career. If he's healthy he could be a big upgrade as the LOOGY without them having to give up anything stupid for a guy like Miller.
I'd rather they just give up something stupid* and have Andrew Miller.
* This, obviously, shouldn't mean Baez or Schwarber, since that's well beyond stupid.
Contreras?
Torres?
I think we can stop discussing Contreras as a trade piece, he sure seems to be the catcher of the future, I don't think he's going anywhere.
Quote from: Slaky on June 14, 2016, 01:50:30 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 01:38:09 PMQuote from: PANK! on June 14, 2016, 01:34:07 PMQuote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 01:20:52 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:46:08 AMQuote from: CBStew on June 14, 2016, 11:41:41 AMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AMCareer 27-42 record, and a 4.85 ERA.
This was predictable (and smart): [http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/]Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. [/url]
His career as a reliever: 3.47 ERA, 179-63 K:BB ratio. Lefties have hit just .211/.269/.358/.627 against him in his career. If he's healthy he could be a big upgrade as the LOOGY without them having to give up anything stupid for a guy like Miller.
I'd rather they just give up something stupid* and have Andrew Miller.
* This, obviously, shouldn't mean Baez or Schwarber, since that's well beyond stupid.
Contreras?
Torres?
I think we can stop discussing Contreras as a trade piece, he sure seems to be the catcher of the future, I don't think he's going anywhere.
I also firmly believe that as long as Theo is here they'll never trade Schwarber. Not for anyone or anything. Just one man's opinion.
Quote from: Yeti on June 14, 2016, 01:46:18 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 01:28:42 PMQuote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 01:20:52 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:46:08 AMQuote from: CBStew on June 14, 2016, 11:41:41 AMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AMCareer 27-42 record, and a 4.85 ERA.
This was predictable (and smart): [http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/]Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. [/url]
His career as a reliever: 3.47 ERA, 179-63 K:BB ratio. Lefties have hit just .211/.269/.358/.627 against him in his career. If he's healthy he could be a big upgrade as the LOOGY without them having to give up anything stupid for a guy like Miller.
I'd rather they just give up something stupid* and have Andrew Miller.
* This, obviously, shouldn't mean Baez or Schwarber, since that's well beyond stupid.
Agreed, I just don't know how much stock to put into Buster Olney's report that the Yankees basically aren't motivated to move him yet unless the return is that stupid. If we're talking Gleyber Torres or something, sign me up I guess.
They love Dan Vogelbach... Or at least I'd like to think they do
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 14, 2016, 01:55:52 PMQuote from: Yeti on June 14, 2016, 01:46:18 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 01:28:42 PMQuote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 01:20:52 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:46:08 AMQuote from: CBStew on June 14, 2016, 11:41:41 AMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AMCareer 27-42 record, and a 4.85 ERA.
This was predictable (and smart): [http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/]Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. [/url]
His career as a reliever: 3.47 ERA, 179-63 K:BB ratio. Lefties have hit just .211/.269/.358/.627 against him in his career. If he's healthy he could be a big upgrade as the LOOGY without them having to give up anything stupid for a guy like Miller.
I'd rather they just give up something stupid* and have Andrew Miller.
* This, obviously, shouldn't mean Baez or Schwarber, since that's well beyond stupid.
Agreed, I just don't know how much stock to put into Buster Olney's report that the Yankees basically aren't motivated to move him yet unless the return is that stupid. If we're talking Gleyber Torres or something, sign me up I guess.
They love Dan Vogelbach... Or at least I'd like to think they do
They have to love him more than they love Rob Refsnyder.
Quote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 02:01:01 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 14, 2016, 01:55:52 PMQuote from: Yeti on June 14, 2016, 01:46:18 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 01:28:42 PMQuote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 01:20:52 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:46:08 AMQuote from: CBStew on June 14, 2016, 11:41:41 AMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AMCareer 27-42 record, and a 4.85 ERA.
This was predictable (and smart): [http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/]Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. [/url]
His career as a reliever: 3.47 ERA, 179-63 K:BB ratio. Lefties have hit just .211/.269/.358/.627 against him in his career. If he's healthy he could be a big upgrade as the LOOGY without them having to give up anything stupid for a guy like Miller.
I'd rather they just give up something stupid* and have Andrew Miller.
* This, obviously, shouldn't mean Baez or Schwarber, since that's well beyond stupid.
Agreed, I just don't know how much stock to put into Buster Olney's report that the Yankees basically aren't motivated to move him yet unless the return is that stupid. If we're talking Gleyber Torres or something, sign me up I guess.
They love Dan Vogelbach... Or at least I'd like to think they do
They have to love him more than they love Rob Refsnyder.
Actually they'd have to love him more than Greg Bird, their top first base prospect who put up an .871 OPS last year. I'm surprised you were unaware of this given your deep knowledge of the Yankee farm system and exactly what they are looking for in terms of their trade packages.
Quote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 01:38:09 PMQuote from: PANK! on June 14, 2016, 01:34:07 PMQuote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 01:20:52 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:46:08 AMQuote from: CBStew on June 14, 2016, 11:41:41 AMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AMCareer 27-42 record, and a 4.85 ERA.
This was predictable (and smart): [http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/]Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. [/url]
His career as a reliever: 3.47 ERA, 179-63 K:BB ratio. Lefties have hit just .211/.269/.358/.627 against him in his career. If he's healthy he could be a big upgrade as the LOOGY without them having to give up anything stupid for a guy like Miller.
I'd rather they just give up something stupid* and have Andrew Miller.
* This, obviously, shouldn't mean Baez or Schwarber, since that's well beyond stupid.
Contreras?
Torres?
I think we can stop discussing Contreras as a trade piece, he sure seems to be the catcher of the future, I don't think he's going anywhere.
Quote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 02:26:53 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 01:38:09 PMQuote from: PANK! on June 14, 2016, 01:34:07 PMQuote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 01:20:52 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:46:08 AMQuote from: CBStew on June 14, 2016, 11:41:41 AMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AMCareer 27-42 record, and a 4.85 ERA.
This was predictable (and smart): [http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/]Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. [/url]
His career as a reliever: 3.47 ERA, 179-63 K:BB ratio. Lefties have hit just .211/.269/.358/.627 against him in his career. If he's healthy he could be a big upgrade as the LOOGY without them having to give up anything stupid for a guy like Miller.
I'd rather they just give up something stupid* and have Andrew Miller.
* This, obviously, shouldn't mean Baez or Schwarber, since that's well beyond stupid.
Contreras?
Torres?
I think we can stop discussing Contreras as a trade piece, he sure seems to be the catcher of the future, I don't think he's going anywhere.
Yeah, I basically just look at him as a major-league piece at this point since he'll probably be up this year.
Quote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 02:28:01 PMQuote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 02:26:53 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 01:38:09 PMQuote from: PANK! on June 14, 2016, 01:34:07 PMQuote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 01:20:52 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:46:08 AMQuote from: CBStew on June 14, 2016, 11:41:41 AMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AMCareer 27-42 record, and a 4.85 ERA.
This was predictable (and smart): [http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/]Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. [/url]
His career as a reliever: 3.47 ERA, 179-63 K:BB ratio. Lefties have hit just .211/.269/.358/.627 against him in his career. If he's healthy he could be a big upgrade as the LOOGY without them having to give up anything stupid for a guy like Miller.
I'd rather they just give up something stupid* and have Andrew Miller.
* This, obviously, shouldn't mean Baez or Schwarber, since that's well beyond stupid.
Contreras?
Torres?
I think we can stop discussing Contreras as a trade piece, he sure seems to be the catcher of the future, I don't think he's going anywhere.
Yeah, I basically just look at him as a major-league piece at this point since he'll probably be up this year.
I always figured he was a September 1st call up but the scuttlebutt now seems to be All Star Break.
Quote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 02:01:01 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 14, 2016, 01:55:52 PMQuote from: Yeti on June 14, 2016, 01:46:18 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 01:28:42 PMQuote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 01:20:52 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:46:08 AMQuote from: CBStew on June 14, 2016, 11:41:41 AMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AMCareer 27-42 record, and a 4.85 ERA.
This was predictable (and smart): [http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/]Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. [/url]
His career as a reliever: 3.47 ERA, 179-63 K:BB ratio. Lefties have hit just .211/.269/.358/.627 against him in his career. If he's healthy he could be a big upgrade as the LOOGY without them having to give up anything stupid for a guy like Miller.
I'd rather they just give up something stupid* and have Andrew Miller.
* This, obviously, shouldn't mean Baez or Schwarber, since that's well beyond stupid.
Agreed, I just don't know how much stock to put into Buster Olney's report that the Yankees basically aren't motivated to move him yet unless the return is that stupid. If we're talking Gleyber Torres or something, sign me up I guess.
They love Dan Vogelbach... Or at least I'd like to think they do
They have to love him more than they love Rob Refsnyder.
Actually they'd have to love him more than Greg Bird, their top first base prospect who put up an .871 OPS last year. I'm surprised you were unaware of this given your deep knowledge of the Yankee farm system and exactly what they are looking for in terms of their trade packages.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 14, 2016, 03:09:22 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 02:01:01 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 14, 2016, 01:55:52 PMQuote from: Yeti on June 14, 2016, 01:46:18 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 01:28:42 PMQuote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 01:20:52 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:46:08 AMQuote from: CBStew on June 14, 2016, 11:41:41 AMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AMCareer 27-42 record, and a 4.85 ERA.
This was predictable (and smart): [http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/]Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. [/url]
His career as a reliever: 3.47 ERA, 179-63 K:BB ratio. Lefties have hit just .211/.269/.358/.627 against him in his career. If he's healthy he could be a big upgrade as the LOOGY without them having to give up anything stupid for a guy like Miller.
I'd rather they just give up something stupid* and have Andrew Miller.
* This, obviously, shouldn't mean Baez or Schwarber, since that's well beyond stupid.
Agreed, I just don't know how much stock to put into Buster Olney's report that the Yankees basically aren't motivated to move him yet unless the return is that stupid. If we're talking Gleyber Torres or something, sign me up I guess.
They love Dan Vogelbach... Or at least I'd like to think they do
They have to love him more than they love Rob Refsnyder.
Actually they'd have to love him more than Greg Bird, their top first base prospect who put up an .871 OPS last year. I'm surprised you were unaware of this given your deep knowledge of the Yankee farm system and exactly what they are looking for in terms of their trade packages.
The same Greg Bird who is currently in pieces?
Quote from: Oleg on June 14, 2016, 03:16:51 PM
I'm still trying to figure out what Rob Refsnyder has to do with any of this.
Quote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 02:26:53 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 01:38:09 PMQuote from: PANK! on June 14, 2016, 01:34:07 PMQuote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 01:20:52 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:46:08 AMQuote from: CBStew on June 14, 2016, 11:41:41 AMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AMCareer 27-42 record, and a 4.85 ERA.
This was predictable (and smart): [http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/]Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. [/url]
His career as a reliever: 3.47 ERA, 179-63 K:BB ratio. Lefties have hit just .211/.269/.358/.627 against him in his career. If he's healthy he could be a big upgrade as the LOOGY without them having to give up anything stupid for a guy like Miller.
I'd rather they just give up something stupid* and have Andrew Miller.
* This, obviously, shouldn't mean Baez or Schwarber, since that's well beyond stupid.
Contreras?
Torres?
I think we can stop discussing Contreras as a trade piece, he sure seems to be the catcher of the future, I don't think he's going anywhere.
Yeah, I basically just look at him as a major-league piece at this point since he'll probably be up this year.
Quote from: Slaky on June 14, 2016, 03:25:02 PMQuote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 02:26:53 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 01:38:09 PMQuote from: PANK! on June 14, 2016, 01:34:07 PMQuote from: Eli on June 14, 2016, 01:20:52 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:46:08 AMQuote from: CBStew on June 14, 2016, 11:41:41 AMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 11:25:09 AMCareer 27-42 record, and a 4.85 ERA.
This was predictable (and smart): [http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/cubs-brian-matusz-signs-minor-league-deal-with-cubs/]Cubs sign Matusz to minor league deal. [/url]
His career as a reliever: 3.47 ERA, 179-63 K:BB ratio. Lefties have hit just .211/.269/.358/.627 against him in his career. If he's healthy he could be a big upgrade as the LOOGY without them having to give up anything stupid for a guy like Miller.
I'd rather they just give up something stupid* and have Andrew Miller.
* This, obviously, shouldn't mean Baez or Schwarber, since that's well beyond stupid.
Contreras?
Torres?
I think we can stop discussing Contreras as a trade piece, he sure seems to be the catcher of the future, I don't think he's going anywhere.
Yeah, I basically just look at him as a major-league piece at this point since he'll probably be up this year.
I still wonder how that would work given what they've got. Montero still has value as a receiver even if his throwing and hitting seem broken. Ross has been great and is immovable as backup. TimFed can pound but having Contreras as a 3rd catcher seems nuts. When does Montero play? Does he just become an expensive TimFed?
Quote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 03:19:00 PMQuote from: Oleg on June 14, 2016, 03:16:51 PM
I'm still trying to figure out what Rob Refsnyder has to do with any of this.
Oleg, it's quite simple. The Yankees would never trade Miller for Almora because they have a bunch of old guys and an outfield prospect who can't hit, plus Almora is not on the FORK FIVE list of top Cubs prospects (except he is looking forward to seeing him replace the Top Ten in WAR Dexter Fowler next year). They would however consider Dan Vogelbach, because Rob Refsnyder is bad and is getting some starts at first right now because Teixeira and Bird are hurt, even though Bird should be back next year, which is when the Yankees would be trying to contend in any scenario where they would consider trading Andrew Miller this year, but I guess if they need an upgrade for their playoff run this year one of the best relievers in baseball for a prospect many scouts consider too awful to play even a passable first base in the majors is the move they gotta make.
Fork made his position very clear.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 14, 2016, 03:27:35 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 03:19:00 PMQuote from: Oleg on June 14, 2016, 03:16:51 PM
I'm still trying to figure out what Rob Refsnyder has to do with any of this.
Oleg, it's quite simple. The Yankees would never trade Miller for Almora because they have a bunch of old guys and an outfield prospect who can't hit, plus Almora is not on the FORK FIVE list of top Cubs prospects (except he is looking forward to seeing him replace the Top Ten in WAR Dexter Fowler next year). They would however consider Dan Vogelbach, because Rob Refsnyder is bad and is getting some starts at first right now because Teixeira and Bird are hurt, even though Bird should be back next year, which is when the Yankees would be trying to contend in any scenario where they would consider trading Andrew Miller this year, but I guess if they need an upgrade for their playoff run this year one of the best relievers in baseball for a prospect many scouts consider too awful to play even a passable first base in the majors is the move they gotta make.
Fork made his position very clear.
Or...
Teixiera is a free agent after this season, and A-Rod has said next year will be his last. So they might be amenable to taking a LH bat that can also play 1B that is currently sporting a .963 OPS in AAA. And he's somebody the Cubs would be willing to part with, since they've got their first baseman for the foreseeable future.
Anyway, if they're going to move a lefty pitcher that still has a couple years under control, it would probably take multiple guys from the Cubs' system.
And I'm pretty certain that even if Fowler stays among WAR leaders, he's opting out of his deal.
Quote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 03:29:42 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 14, 2016, 03:27:35 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 03:19:00 PMQuote from: Oleg on June 14, 2016, 03:16:51 PM
I'm still trying to figure out what Rob Refsnyder has to do with any of this.
Oleg, it's quite simple. The Yankees would never trade Miller for Almora because they have a bunch of old guys and an outfield prospect who can't hit, plus Almora is not on the FORK FIVE list of top Cubs prospects (except he is looking forward to seeing him replace the Top Ten in WAR Dexter Fowler next year). They would however consider Dan Vogelbach, because Rob Refsnyder is bad and is getting some starts at first right now because Teixeira and Bird are hurt, even though Bird should be back next year, which is when the Yankees would be trying to contend in any scenario where they would consider trading Andrew Miller this year, but I guess if they need an upgrade for their playoff run this year one of the best relievers in baseball for a prospect many scouts consider too awful to play even a passable first base in the majors is the move they gotta make.
Fork made his position very clear.
Or...
Teixiera is a free agent after this season, and A-Rod has said next year will be his last. So they might be amenable to taking a LH bat that can also play 1B that is currently sporting a .963 OPS in AAA. And he's somebody the Cubs would be willing to part with, since they've got their first baseman for the foreseeable future.
Anyway, if they're going to move a lefty pitcher that still has a couple years under control, it would probably take multiple guys from the Cubs' system.
And I'm pretty certain that even if Fowler stays among WAR leaders, he's opting out of his deal.
My point wasn't that the Yankees might not want Vogelbach, my point was that by ForkLogic they wouldn't want Vogelbach because he's blocked at DH and first by A-Rod and Bird, since you said they wouldn't want Almora since they have a bunch of old ass dudes and a guy not hitting shit at AAA blocking the outfield.
Quote from: ChuckD on June 14, 2016, 03:32:04 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 03:29:42 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 14, 2016, 03:27:35 PMQuote from: SKO on June 14, 2016, 03:19:00 PMQuote from: Oleg on June 14, 2016, 03:16:51 PM
I'm still trying to figure out what Rob Refsnyder has to do with any of this.
Oleg, it's quite simple. The Yankees would never trade Miller for Almora because they have a bunch of old guys and an outfield prospect who can't hit, plus Almora is not on the FORK FIVE list of top Cubs prospects (except he is looking forward to seeing him replace the Top Ten in WAR Dexter Fowler next year). They would however consider Dan Vogelbach, because Rob Refsnyder is bad and is getting some starts at first right now because Teixeira and Bird are hurt, even though Bird should be back next year, which is when the Yankees would be trying to contend in any scenario where they would consider trading Andrew Miller this year, but I guess if they need an upgrade for their playoff run this year one of the best relievers in baseball for a prospect many scouts consider too awful to play even a passable first base in the majors is the move they gotta make.
Fork made his position very clear.
Or...
Teixiera is a free agent after this season, and A-Rod has said next year will be his last. So they might be amenable to taking a LH bat that can also play 1B that is currently sporting a .963 OPS in AAA. And he's somebody the Cubs would be willing to part with, since they've got their first baseman for the foreseeable future.
Anyway, if they're going to move a lefty pitcher that still has a couple years under control, it would probably take multiple guys from the Cubs' system.
And I'm pretty certain that even if Fowler stays among WAR leaders, he's opting out of his deal.
My point wasn't that the Yankees might not want Vogelbach, my point was that by ForkLogic they wouldn't want Vogelbach because he's blocked at DH and first by A-Rod and Bird, since you said they wouldn't want Almora since they have a bunch of old ass dudes and a guy not hitting shit at AAA blocking the outfield.
*Sits down with a bowl of delicious airpopped popcorn*
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 14, 2016, 04:24:16 PM
I'd probably listen to a SKO and Fork Debate General Managing podcast.
Once, twice maybe.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 07, 2016, 11:04:59 PM
If you ever wanted to interrogate information out of me, just force me to read the last few pages of this thread over and over and I'll give up everything important in this world.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 14, 2016, 04:30:44 PMQuote from: PenFoe on June 07, 2016, 11:04:59 PM
If you ever wanted to interrogate information out of me, just force me to read more than five wordsthe last few pages of this thread over and overand I'll give up everything important in this world.
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 07:31:36 AM
The 9th inning defensive alignment of Ross/Rizzo/Baez/Russell/Bryant with Almora/Fowler/Heyward in the OF is probably the single best defense the Cubs have fielded in my lifetime.
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 07:31:36 AM
The 9th inning defensive alignment of Ross/Rizzo/Baez/Russell/Bryant with Almora/Fowler/Heyward in the OF is probably the single best defense the Cubs have fielded in my lifetime.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 15, 2016, 05:39:32 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Fuck the Nationals.
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 07:29:36 PM
And Rondon struck out Harper. Twice.
Quote from: R-V on June 16, 2016, 09:28:28 AM
I guess I didn't realize how below average the Cubs bullpen has been overall - I guess it's been masked so far by the starters pitching out of their mind, and Rondon in particular being really good.
20th in FIP
27th in BB/9
20th in HR/9
2nd in BABIP
The BABIP one gives me heartburn. I know this may be due in part to great defense/inducing weak contact, but given the other numbers they could be in for some regression even from their not-good performance so far.
This has to be the top priority at the deadline.
Quote from: SKO on June 16, 2016, 09:33:47 AMQuote from: R-V on June 16, 2016, 09:28:28 AM
I guess I didn't realize how below average the Cubs bullpen has been overall - I guess it's been masked so far by the starters pitching out of their mind, and Rondon in particular being really good.
20th in FIP
27th in BB/9
20th in HR/9
2nd in BABIP
The BABIP one gives me heartburn. I know this may be due in part to great defense/inducing weak contact, but given the other numbers they could be in for some regression even from their not-good performance so far.
This has to be the top priority at the deadline.
Rondon and Strop are the only two who have actually been good. Warren has walked everybody and struck out no one all year long and got away with it for a little bit because he's still running a BABIP under .200 somehow, but he's been downright ass (4.18 ERA/5.67 FIP/5.48 xFIP, 5.32 BB/9). Cahill and Wood have both walked 4 or 5+ guys per 9 and while Cahill is striking out over 10 guys per 9 and can probably get away with it with his sinker, Wood isn't striking out anyone and he's clearly just smoke and mirrors so far.
Grimm is stuck in one of his spells where he can't throw strikes. They could definitely use another quality arm in the middle.
Quote from: R-V on June 16, 2016, 09:28:28 AM
I guess I didn't realize how below average the Cubs bullpen has been overall - I guess it's been masked so far by the starters pitching out of their mind, and Rondon in particular being really good.
20th in FIP
27th in BB/9
20th in HR/9
2nd in BABIP
The BABIP one gives me heartburn. I know this may be due in part to great defense/inducing weak contact, but given the other numbers they could be in for some regression even from their not-good performance so far.
This has to be the top priority at the deadline.
Quote from: Oleg on June 16, 2016, 09:43:47 AMMaybe Calvin Schiraldi is available.Quote from: R-V on June 16, 2016, 09:28:28 AM
I guess I didn't realize how below average the Cubs bullpen has been overall - I guess it's been masked so far by the starters pitching out of their mind, and Rondon in particular being really good.
20th in FIP
27th in BB/9
20th in HR/9
2nd in BABIP
The BABIP one gives me heartburn. I know this may be due in part to great defense/inducing weak contact, but given the other numbers they could be in for some regression even from their not-good performance so far.
This has to be the top priority at the deadline.
The other masking is that they've pitched the fewest innings in the majors (I assume that's still true).
But, yeah...bring me all the Millers and Chapmans!
Quote from: PenFoe on June 16, 2016, 11:48:38 AM
Contreras, bitches.
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/743481087196815360 (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/743481087196815360)
Quote from: PANK! on June 16, 2016, 11:53:36 AMQuote from: PenFoe on June 16, 2016, 11:48:38 AM
Contreras, bitches.
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/743481087196815360 (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/743481087196815360)
Quick--what's your favorite memory of the Tim Federowicz Era?
Quote from: ChuckD on June 16, 2016, 11:57:12 AMQuote from: PANK! on June 16, 2016, 11:53:36 AMQuote from: PenFoe on June 16, 2016, 11:48:38 AM
Contreras, bitches.
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/743481087196815360 (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/743481087196815360)
Quick--what's your favorite memory of the Tim Federowicz Era?
I liked it when Contreras was called up. #2 is that one game where he had a net positive WPA.
Quote from: PANK! on June 16, 2016, 11:53:36 AMQuote from: PenFoe on June 16, 2016, 11:48:38 AM
Contreras, bitches.
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/743481087196815360 (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/743481087196815360)
Quick--what's your favorite memory of the Tim Federowicz Era?
Quote from: SKO on June 16, 2016, 12:13:55 PM
I love this front office. I actually said to a friend the other day that I thought if Willson only needed game calling/framing experience and coaching they might as well bring him up to learn from Ross and Miggy and obviously Epstink already had that plan in motion.
Quote from: SKO on June 16, 2016, 12:13:55 PM
I love this front office. I actually said to a friend the other day that I thought if Willson only needed game calling/framing experience and coaching they might as well bring him up to learn from Ross and Miggy and obviously Epstink already had that plan in motion.
Quote from: flannj on June 16, 2016, 12:37:51 PMQuote from: SKO on June 16, 2016, 12:13:55 PM
I love this front office. I actually said to a friend the other day that I thought if Willson only needed game calling/framing experience and coaching they might as well bring him up to learn from Ross and Miggy and obviously Epstink already had that plan in motion.
Obviously.
Quote from: ChuckD on June 16, 2016, 12:40:23 PMQuote from: SKO on June 16, 2016, 12:13:55 PM
I love this front office. I actually said to a friend the other day that I thought if Willson only needed game calling/framing experience and coaching they might as well bring him up to learn from Ross and Miggy and obviously Epstink already had that plan in motion.
You're missing someone in there.
Quote from: Oleg on June 16, 2016, 09:43:47 AMQuote from: R-V on June 16, 2016, 09:28:28 AM
I guess I didn't realize how below average the Cubs bullpen has been overall - I guess it's been masked so far by the starters pitching out of their mind, and Rondon in particular being really good.
20th in FIP
27th in BB/9
20th in HR/9
2nd in BABIP
The BABIP one gives me heartburn. I know this may be due in part to great defense/inducing weak contact, but given the other numbers they could be in for some regression even from their not-good performance so far.
This has to be the top priority at the deadline.
The other masking is that they've pitched the fewest innings in the majors (I assume that's still true).
But, yeah...bring me all the Millers and Chapmans!
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 16, 2016, 12:50:19 PMQuote from: ChuckD on June 16, 2016, 12:40:23 PMQuote from: SKO on June 16, 2016, 12:13:55 PM
I love this front office. I actually said to a friend the other day that I thought if Willson only needed game calling/framing experience and coaching they might as well bring him up to learn from Ross and Miggy and obviously Epstink already had that plan in motion.
You're missing someone in there.
Contreras already sleeps with his fly down like an all-star.
Quote from: ChuckD on June 16, 2016, 01:32:04 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 16, 2016, 12:50:19 PMQuote from: ChuckD on June 16, 2016, 12:40:23 PMQuote from: SKO on June 16, 2016, 12:13:55 PM
I love this front office. I actually said to a friend the other day that I thought if Willson only needed game calling/framing experience and coaching they might as well bring him up to learn from Ross and Miggy and obviously Epstink already had that plan in motion.
You're missing someone in there.
Contreras already sleeps with his fly down like an all-star.
Chuggachuggachuggachugga...(http://i.imgur.com/atyPNZR.jpg)CHOOCHOO(http://i.imgur.com/atyPNZR.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/atyPNZR.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/atyPNZR.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/atyPNZR.jpg)
Quote from: PANK! on June 16, 2016, 11:53:36 AMWho?Quote from: PenFoe on June 16, 2016, 11:48:38 AM
Contreras, bitches.
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/743481087196815360 (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/743481087196815360)
Quick--what's your favorite memory of the Tim Federowicz Era?
Quote from: Tonker on June 16, 2016, 01:46:10 PMQuote from: ChuckD on June 16, 2016, 01:32:04 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 16, 2016, 12:50:19 PMQuote from: ChuckD on June 16, 2016, 12:40:23 PMQuote from: SKO on June 16, 2016, 12:13:55 PM
I love this front office. I actually said to a friend the other day that I thought if Willson only needed game calling/framing experience and coaching they might as well bring him up to learn from Ross and Miggy and obviously Epstink already had that plan in motion.
You're missing someone in there.
Contreras already sleeps with his fly down like an all-star.
Chuggachuggachuggachugga...(http://i.imgur.com/atyPNZR.jpg)CHOOCHOO(http://i.imgur.com/atyPNZR.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/atyPNZR.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/atyPNZR.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/atyPNZR.jpg)
I sat and watched that all the way to the end.
Quote from: ChuckD on June 16, 2016, 01:53:10 PMThat simile was as good as a simile that is pretty good.Quote from: Tonker on June 16, 2016, 01:46:10 PMQuote from: ChuckD on June 16, 2016, 01:32:04 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 16, 2016, 12:50:19 PMQuote from: ChuckD on June 16, 2016, 12:40:23 PMQuote from: SKO on June 16, 2016, 12:13:55 PM
I love this front office. I actually said to a friend the other day that I thought if Willson only needed game calling/framing experience and coaching they might as well bring him up to learn from Ross and Miggy and obviously Epstink already had that plan in motion.
You're missing someone in there.
Contreras already sleeps with his fly down like an all-star.
Chuggachuggachuggachugga...(http://i.imgur.com/atyPNZR.jpg)CHOOCHOO(http://i.imgur.com/atyPNZR.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/atyPNZR.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/atyPNZR.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/atyPNZR.jpg)
I sat and watched that all the way to the end.
Some say there's no end to the Hank Train. That it just keeps rolling like a machine that doesn't stop rolling keeps rolling.
Quote from: Bort on June 16, 2016, 05:23:58 PMQuote from: ChuckD on June 16, 2016, 01:53:10 PMThat simile was as good as a simile that is pretty good.Quote from: Tonker on June 16, 2016, 01:46:10 PMQuote from: ChuckD on June 16, 2016, 01:32:04 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 16, 2016, 12:50:19 PMQuote from: ChuckD on June 16, 2016, 12:40:23 PMQuote from: SKO on June 16, 2016, 12:13:55 PM
I love this front office. I actually said to a friend the other day that I thought if Willson only needed game calling/framing experience and coaching they might as well bring him up to learn from Ross and Miggy and obviously Epstink already had that plan in motion.
You're missing someone in there.
Contreras already sleeps with his fly down like an all-star.
Chuggachuggachuggachugga...(http://i.imgur.com/atyPNZR.jpg)CHOOCHOO(http://i.imgur.com/atyPNZR.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/atyPNZR.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/atyPNZR.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/atyPNZR.jpg)
I sat and watched that all the way to the end.
Some say there's no end to the Hank Train. That it just keeps rolling like a machine that doesn't stop rolling keeps rolling.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 19, 2016, 05:40:33 PM
Coghlan leading off makes me want to dive in front of a train
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 19, 2016, 05:40:33 PM
Coghlan leading off makes me want to dive in front of a train
Quote from: SKO on June 20, 2016, 07:45:19 AM
They've allowed 193 runs and have a +171 run differential. Jebus.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 20, 2016, 09:57:28 AMQuote from: SKO on June 20, 2016, 07:45:19 AM
They've allowed 193 runs and have a +171 run differential. Jebus.
They might double up their runs allowed before this weekend ends.
Quote from: Canadouche on June 20, 2016, 08:18:48 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 20, 2016, 09:57:28 AMQuote from: SKO on June 20, 2016, 07:45:19 AM
They've allowed 193 runs and have a +171 run differential. Jebus.
They might double up their runs allowed before this weekend ends.
If they sweep, they'll be 30 games over .500, and 15 games ahead of St. Louis in the standings.
All before July.
Quote from: Slaky on June 21, 2016, 09:25:31 AMQuote from: Canadouche on June 20, 2016, 08:18:48 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 20, 2016, 09:57:28 AMQuote from: SKO on June 20, 2016, 07:45:19 AM
They've allowed 193 runs and have a +171 run differential. Jebus.
They might double up their runs allowed before this weekend ends.
If they sweep, they'll be 30 games over .500, and 15 games ahead of St. Louis in the standings.
All before July.
And you ruined it.
Quote from: Yeti on June 21, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
Clayton to the DL. Warren to AAA to be stretched out for a start before the ASG
Spencer Patton and Gerardo Concepcion up
Quote from: PenFoe on June 21, 2016, 04:49:19 PMQuote from: Yeti on June 21, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
Clayton to the DL. Warren to AAA to be stretched out for a start before the ASG
Spencer Patton and Gerardo Concepcion up
Jed: So, you think we should make some trades to fix our shitty bullpen?
Theo: Before we do that, let's see if our shitty guys in AAA are better than our shitty guys in Chicago, cool?
Armando Rivero: I'm not as shitty as either of those guys.
Quote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 04:53:59 PMQuote from: PenFoe on June 21, 2016, 04:49:19 PMQuote from: Yeti on June 21, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
Clayton to the DL. Warren to AAA to be stretched out for a start before the ASG
Spencer Patton and Gerardo Concepcion up
Jed: So, you think we should make some trades to fix our shitty bullpen?
Theo: Before we do that, let's see if our shitty guys in AAA are better than our shitty guys in Chicago, cool?
Armando Rivero: I'm not as shitty as either of those guys.
True, Theo only has his wealth of scouting data, input from coaches, and the most advanced proprietary statistics on the planet to determine who to call up. Pen has an MilB app on his phone. He'd know.
Quote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 04:53:59 PMQuote from: PenFoe on June 21, 2016, 04:49:19 PMQuote from: Yeti on June 21, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
Clayton to the DL. Warren to AAA to be stretched out for a start before the ASG
Spencer Patton and Gerardo Concepcion up
Jed: So, you think we should make some trades to fix our shitty bullpen?
Theo: Before we do that, let's see if our shitty guys in AAA are better than our shitty guys in Chicago, cool?
Armando Rivero: I'm not as shitty as either of those guys.
True, Theo only has his wealth of scouting data, input from coaches, and the most advanced proprietary statistics on the planet to determine who to call up. Pen has an MilB app on his phone. He'd know.
Quote from: Canadouche on June 20, 2016, 08:18:48 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on June 20, 2016, 09:57:28 AMQuote from: SKO on June 20, 2016, 07:45:19 AM
They've allowed 193 runs and have a +171 run differential. Jebus.
They might double up their runs allowed before this weekend ends.
If they sweep, they'll be 30 games over .500, and 15 games ahead of St. Louis in the standings.
All before July.
Quote from: R-V on June 23, 2016, 10:59:15 AM
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-cubs-pitchers-are-making-their-own-luck/
Quote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 04:53:59 PMQuote from: PenFoe on June 21, 2016, 04:49:19 PMQuote from: Yeti on June 21, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
Clayton to the DL. Warren to AAA to be stretched out for a start before the ASG
Spencer Patton and Gerardo Concepcion up
Jed: So, you think we should make some trades to fix our shitty bullpen?
Theo: Before we do that, let's see if our shitty guys in AAA are better than our shitty guys in Chicago, cool?
Armando Rivero: I'm not as shitty as either of those guys.
True, Theo only has his wealth of scouting data, input from coaches, and the most advanced proprietary statistics on the planet to determine who to call up. Pen has an MilB app on his phone. He'd know.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 27, 2016, 12:05:42 PMQuote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 04:53:59 PMQuote from: PenFoe on June 21, 2016, 04:49:19 PMQuote from: Yeti on June 21, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
Clayton to the DL. Warren to AAA to be stretched out for a start before the ASG
Spencer Patton and Gerardo Concepcion up
Jed: So, you think we should make some trades to fix our shitty bullpen?
Theo: Before we do that, let's see if our shitty guys in AAA are better than our shitty guys in Chicago, cool?
Armando Rivero: I'm not as shitty as either of those guys.
True, Theo only has his wealth of scouting data, input from coaches, and the most advanced proprietary statistics on the planet to determine who to call up. Pen has an MilB app on his phone. He'd know.
Concepcion back to the minors, Cubs trying out Joel Peralta to see if he sucks any less.
Quote from: SKO on June 27, 2016, 12:06:46 PMQuote from: PenFoe on June 27, 2016, 12:05:42 PMQuote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 04:53:59 PMQuote from: PenFoe on June 21, 2016, 04:49:19 PMQuote from: Yeti on June 21, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
Clayton to the DL. Warren to AAA to be stretched out for a start before the ASG
Spencer Patton and Gerardo Concepcion up
Jed: So, you think we should make some trades to fix our shitty bullpen?
Theo: Before we do that, let's see if our shitty guys in AAA are better than our shitty guys in Chicago, cool?
Armando Rivero: I'm not as shitty as either of those guys.
True, Theo only has his wealth of scouting data, input from coaches, and the most advanced proprietary statistics on the planet to determine who to call up. Pen has an MilB app on his phone. He'd know.
Concepcion back to the minors, Cubs trying out Joel Peralta to see if he sucks any less.
You call his secretary to tell him about Rivero?
Quote from: PenFoe on June 27, 2016, 12:05:42 PMQuote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 04:53:59 PMQuote from: PenFoe on June 21, 2016, 04:49:19 PMQuote from: Yeti on June 21, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
Clayton to the DL. Warren to AAA to be stretched out for a start before the ASG
Spencer Patton and Gerardo Concepcion up
Jed: So, you think we should make some trades to fix our shitty bullpen?
Theo: Before we do that, let's see if our shitty guys in AAA are better than our shitty guys in Chicago, cool?
Armando Rivero: I'm not as shitty as either of those guys.
True, Theo only has his wealth of scouting data, input from coaches, and the most advanced proprietary statistics on the planet to determine who to call up. Pen has an MilB app on his phone. He'd know.
Concepcion back to the minors, Cubs trying out 40-year old Joel Peralta to see if he sucks any less.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 27, 2016, 12:05:42 PMQuote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 04:53:59 PMQuote from: PenFoe on June 21, 2016, 04:49:19 PMQuote from: Yeti on June 21, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
Clayton to the DL. Warren to AAA to be stretched out for a start before the ASG
Spencer Patton and Gerardo Concepcion up
Jed: So, you think we should make some trades to fix our shitty bullpen?
Theo: Before we do that, let's see if our shitty guys in AAA are better than our shitty guys in Chicago, cool?
Armando Rivero: I'm not as shitty as either of those guys.
True, Theo only has his wealth of scouting data, input from coaches, and the most advanced proprietary statistics on the planet to determine who to call up. Pen has an MilB app on his phone. He'd know.
Concepcion back to the minors, Cubs trying out 40-year old Joel Peralta to see if he sucks any less.
Quote from: Eli on June 27, 2016, 12:26:40 PMQuote from: PenFoe on June 27, 2016, 12:05:42 PMQuote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 04:53:59 PMQuote from: PenFoe on June 21, 2016, 04:49:19 PMQuote from: Yeti on June 21, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
Clayton to the DL. Warren to AAA to be stretched out for a start before the ASG
Spencer Patton and Gerardo Concepcion up
Jed: So, you think we should make some trades to fix our shitty bullpen?
Theo: Before we do that, let's see if our shitty guys in AAA are better than our shitty guys in Chicago, cool?
Armando Rivero: I'm not as shitty as either of those guys.
True, Theo only has his wealth of scouting data, input from coaches, and the most advanced proprietary statistics on the planet to determine who to call up. Pen has an MilB app on his phone. He'd know.
Concepcion back to the minors, Cubs trying out 40-year old Joel Peralta to see if he sucks any less.
Oh, geez, he actually is 40. I thought you were kidding.
Quote from: SKO on June 27, 2016, 12:52:44 PMThat's when the Polaroids were taken. Geez, is that joke dated!Quote from: Eli on June 27, 2016, 12:26:40 PMQuote from: PenFoe on June 27, 2016, 12:05:42 PMQuote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 04:53:59 PMQuote from: PenFoe on June 21, 2016, 04:49:19 PMQuote from: Yeti on June 21, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
Clayton to the DL. Warren to AAA to be stretched out for a start before the ASG
Spencer Patton and Gerardo Concepcion up
Jed: So, you think we should make some trades to fix our shitty bullpen?
Theo: Before we do that, let's see if our shitty guys in AAA are better than our shitty guys in Chicago, cool?
Armando Rivero: I'm not as shitty as either of those guys.
True, Theo only has his wealth of scouting data, input from coaches, and the most advanced proprietary statistics on the planet to determine who to call up. Pen has an MilB app on his phone. He'd know.
Concepcion back to the minors, Cubs trying out 40-year old Joel Peralta to see if he sucks any less.
Oh, geez, he actually is 40. I thought you were kidding.
I guess "Joe Maddon demands a tryout for a 40 year old reliever he liked five years ago in Tampa" is gonna be an annual thing
Quote from: SKO on June 27, 2016, 12:52:44 PMQuote from: Eli on June 27, 2016, 12:26:40 PMQuote from: PenFoe on June 27, 2016, 12:05:42 PMQuote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 04:53:59 PMQuote from: PenFoe on June 21, 2016, 04:49:19 PMQuote from: Yeti on June 21, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
Clayton to the DL. Warren to AAA to be stretched out for a start before the ASG
Spencer Patton and Gerardo Concepcion up
Jed: So, you think we should make some trades to fix our shitty bullpen?
Theo: Before we do that, let's see if our shitty guys in AAA are better than our shitty guys in Chicago, cool?
Armando Rivero: I'm not as shitty as either of those guys.
True, Theo only has his wealth of scouting data, input from coaches, and the most advanced proprietary statistics on the planet to determine who to call up. Pen has an MilB app on his phone. He'd know.
Concepcion back to the minors, Cubs trying out 40-year old Joel Peralta to see if he sucks any less.
Oh, geez, he actually is 40. I thought you were kidding.
I guess "Joe Maddon demands a tryout for a 40 year old reliever he liked five years ago in Tampa" is gonna be an annual thing
Quote from: Canadouche on June 30, 2016, 08:26:23 PMQuote from: SKO on June 27, 2016, 12:52:44 PMQuote from: Eli on June 27, 2016, 12:26:40 PMQuote from: PenFoe on June 27, 2016, 12:05:42 PMQuote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 04:53:59 PMQuote from: PenFoe on June 21, 2016, 04:49:19 PMQuote from: Yeti on June 21, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
Clayton to the DL. Warren to AAA to be stretched out for a start before the ASG
Spencer Patton and Gerardo Concepcion up
Jed: So, you think we should make some trades to fix our shitty bullpen?
Theo: Before we do that, let's see if our shitty guys in AAA are better than our shitty guys in Chicago, cool?
Armando Rivero: I'm not as shitty as either of those guys.
True, Theo only has his wealth of scouting data, input from coaches, and the most advanced proprietary statistics on the planet to determine who to call up. Pen has an MilB app on his phone. He'd know.
Concepcion back to the minors, Cubs trying out 40-year old Joel Peralta to see if he sucks any less.
Oh, geez, he actually is 40. I thought you were kidding.
I guess "Joe Maddon demands a tryout for a 40 year old reliever he liked five years ago in Tampa" is gonna be an annual thing
His delivery is giving me motion sickness.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 01, 2016, 06:53:18 PM
Must be that time of year when Jason Hammel turns intoa pumpkinshit.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 01, 2016, 08:22:36 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 01, 2016, 06:53:18 PM
Must be that time of year when Jason Hammel turns intoa pumpkinshit.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 01, 2016, 08:47:29 PM
As much as I hate the Mets, I will gladly trade a season sweep at their hands for victory in the NLCS this year. The opposite of last year. RIGHT THAT WRONG
Quote from: Shooter on July 01, 2016, 09:08:19 PM
The Paulcast has been replaced by the Saulcast.
Quote from: Bort on July 01, 2016, 09:15:50 PMQuote from: Shooter on July 01, 2016, 09:08:19 PM
The Paulcast has been replaced by the Saulcast.
"Hey, Damascus is that way, you idiot!"
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 02, 2016, 01:41:43 AMI had to read it twice.Quote from: Bort on July 01, 2016, 09:15:50 PMQuote from: Shooter on July 01, 2016, 09:08:19 PM
The Paulcast has been replaced by the Saulcast.
"Hey, Damascus is that way, you idiot!"
I laughed, hard.
Quote from: Grandmaster Wang on July 06, 2016, 02:47:36 PM
Welp. Adam Warren is three outs away from a Quality Start.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 05, 2016, 05:15:37 PM
Losing to the Reds now? THE SEASON IS OVER EVERYBODY PANIC
Quote from: SKO on July 08, 2016, 08:41:07 PM
Fuck these goddamn gutless mother fuckers.
Quote from: Yeti on July 08, 2016, 09:12:00 PMQuote from: SKO on July 08, 2016, 08:41:07 PM
Fuck these goddamn gutless mother fuckers.
I believe its Fuck these goddamn gutless fucking assholes
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on July 08, 2016, 08:55:18 PM
This team's completely sucked the joy outta this season. This isn't just a slump, they basically suck now. Starting pitching's blah, bullpen blows complete ass and the offense has almost shutdown with basically no clutch hitting. A decent chunk of this team needs to sack it up and start playing again, and Dexter better be back in fine form after the break.
Quote from: PANK! on July 09, 2016, 09:04:14 AM
You fucking quivering cowards. Stand the fuck up.
Quote from: Bort on July 09, 2016, 09:05:49 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 09, 2016, 09:04:14 AM
You fucking quivering cowards. Stand the fuck up.
Quote from: Bort on July 09, 2016, 09:05:49 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 09, 2016, 09:04:14 AM
You fucking quivering cowards. Stand the fuck up.
Quote from: PANK! on July 09, 2016, 09:04:14 AM
You fucking quivering cowards. Stand the fuck up.
Quote from: SKO on July 09, 2016, 01:45:55 PMQuote from: PANK! on July 09, 2016, 09:04:14 AM
You fucking quivering cowards. Stand the fuck up.
It's comfortable down here. Just holler at me when it's safe to pretend I never had a doubt
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 09, 2016, 05:06:57 PMQuote from: SKO on July 09, 2016, 01:45:55 PMQuote from: PANK! on July 09, 2016, 09:04:14 AM
You fucking quivering cowards. Stand the fuck up.
It's comfortable down here. Just holler at me when it's safe to pretend I never had a doubt
You are going into hiding and want us to invite you back? Don't expect a call.
Quote from: PANK! on July 09, 2016, 10:30:52 AM
They're going to win the next 2 heading into the break, putting Pittsburgh in their place, and thus will be 20 games over .500 and, when they come back home from the break, they'll have Dexter back. There'll be a trade or 2 to bolster the club and their lead will never dip below 5 games. All will be well. Just stick it out, motherfuckers.
Quote from: Brownie on July 09, 2016, 08:51:50 PM
This is a 5-15 stretch, four of the wins coming against the vaunted Cincinnati Reds. They'll lose tomorrow, so a glowing 5-16 heading into break. I really am not sanguine looking post break.
3 with Texas. Let's say 1-2. 3 vs. Mets 0-3. 3 at Milwaukee, 1-2. 4 home and home with the Sox that's a guaranteed 0-4 or at best 1-3. Maybe they go 4-2 in the Seattle/Miami homestand. This would make it a 12-28 stretch, putting the the Cubs at 59-47, and certainly putting St. Louis and Pittsburgh in striking distance.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 09, 2016, 12:22:57 PMQuote from: Bort on July 09, 2016, 09:05:49 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 09, 2016, 09:04:14 AM
You fucking quivering cowards. Stand the fuck up.
Quote from: flannj on July 10, 2016, 12:14:14 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 09, 2016, 12:22:57 PMQuote from: Bort on July 09, 2016, 09:05:49 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 09, 2016, 09:04:14 AM
You fucking quivering cowards. Stand the fuck up.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on July 10, 2016, 01:35:52 PM
What the fuck's going on with our starters and the 2nd inning blowouts recently?
Quote from: PANK! on July 09, 2016, 09:04:14 AM
Stand the fuck up.
Quote from: Eli on July 10, 2016, 05:37:59 PMQuote from: PANK! on July 09, 2016, 09:04:14 AM
Stand the fuck up.
This is a first.
Quote from: SKO on July 10, 2016, 06:37:39 PMQuote from: Eli on July 10, 2016, 05:37:59 PMQuote from: PANK! on July 09, 2016, 09:04:14 AM
Stand the fuck up.
This is a first.
I have enjoyed (not incorrectly) being told I'm overreacting by a man who has held a single double play against Mark DeRosa for nigh a decade.
Circle of life I guess. You die a Huey or live long enough to see yourself become a Fork.
Quote from: SKO on July 10, 2016, 06:37:39 PMQuote from: Eli on July 10, 2016, 05:37:59 PMQuote from: PANK! on July 09, 2016, 09:04:14 AM
Stand the fuck up.
This is a first.
I have enjoyed (not incorrectly) being told I'm overreacting by a man who has held a single double play against Mark DeRosa for nigh a decade.
Circle of life I guess. You die a Huey or live long enough to see yourself become a Fork.
Quote from: PANK! on July 10, 2016, 08:38:26 PM
Seems to me Eli's point is that the guy who's DesipioFamous for telling people to sit the fuck down is now telling people to stand the fuck up ...
Quote from: flannj on July 10, 2016, 09:21:02 PM
How about everybody enjoy some summer evenings with whatever the hell your choice of devils brew may be (somebody baked me a couple of special cookies that have a strong odor) and chill the fuck out for a couple of days.
It's all going to be fine.
Quote from: SKO on July 10, 2016, 08:49:19 PM
I mean I said "not incorrectly"
Quote from: PANK! on July 10, 2016, 10:10:22 PMQuote from: SKO on July 10, 2016, 08:49:19 PM
I mean I said "not incorrectly"
That's fair.
Let's hug this shit out and eat some of flannj's Alice B. Toklas cookies and gear up for an epic stretch run, shall we?
Quote from: flannj on July 10, 2016, 10:13:25 PMQuote from: PANK! on July 10, 2016, 10:10:22 PMQuote from: SKO on July 10, 2016, 08:49:19 PM
I mean I said "not incorrectly"
That's fair.
Let's hug this shit out and eat some of flannj's Alice B. Toklas cookies and gear up for an epic stretch run, shall we?
Huey gets it.
Quote from: CT III on July 11, 2016, 10:32:24 AM
I'm sort of perplexed here. First, I'm not entirely sure if TJ is serious, or if his posts are intended to be a fun reversal of his annual "the Cubs can still make the playoffs" persona that will end with an August 1st post breaking down the various W-Ls it will take to hand the Brewers the division title.
Second, is this really going to be the team that breaks some of you? I mean is this really shaping up to be more of a kick in the dick than 03-04 or 07 & 08? Even if you think the starting pitchers are all suddenly finished, throwing in the towel in July on a team that's 18 games over .500 has a couple of key injuries and some pieces that can be moved for help at the trade deadline is a little extreme.
Quote from: CT III on July 11, 2016, 10:32:24 AM
I'm sort of perplexed here. First, I'm not entirely sure if TJ is serious, or if his posts are intended to be a fun reversal of his annual "the Cubs can still make the playoffs" persona that will end with an August 1st post breaking down the various W-Ls it will take to hand the Brewers the division title.
Second, is this really going to be the team that breaks some of you? I mean is this really shaping up to be more of a kick in the dick than 03-04 or 07 & 08? Even if you think the starting pitchers are all suddenly finished, throwing in the towel in July on a team that's 18 games over .500 has a couple of key injuries and some pieces that can be moved for help at the trade deadline is a little extreme.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 11, 2016, 11:05:15 AM
This team has the largest lead in baseball, and every flaw has been perfectly revealed with plenty of time until the trade deadline. The pitching staff isn't the one Joe is taking into October.
Nothing is fucked here.
Quote from: SKO on July 11, 2016, 11:17:37 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 11, 2016, 11:05:15 AM
This team has the largest lead in baseball, and every flaw has been perfectly revealed with plenty of time until the trade deadline. The pitching staff isn't the one Joe is taking into October.
Nothing is fucked here.
The problem there is that Arrieta, Lackey, and Lester are undoubtedly going to be in the playoff rotation barring a big trade and Lackey completely falling apart.
So the only thing in this entire slump that actually has me legit worried is Jake and Jon's struggles. Lester not so much because he was downright excellent for 3 months and has had two rough ones and he's done this before as a Cub and in his career and bounced back no problem. His struggles are probably only in my head because they came at the worst possible time for the team.
Jake scares the piss out of me because his career has been two acts: the guy that can't control his shit and gets hammered every start and the guy who can control his shit and is untouchable. This absolutely could be just a normal slump that he'll work through, we just haven't ever seen him have four-five bad starts in a row as a Cub and given his history I can't completely escape the fear that he's in his own head again and might be Baltimore Jake for awhile.
That little voice inside my head will go away the second he throws another quality 7 innings.
But yeah, the Cubs went into October last year with a bullpen counting heavily on Wood, Cahill, Rodney, and Richard and none of those guys were in the Cubs bullpen to start the year, two of them didn't even throw a pitch in a Cub uniform until September. Pens are fungible, and the offense has been solid and will only be better as they get healthy and play a ton of home games in the second half.
Quote from: Oleg on July 12, 2016, 10:13:55 AM
Feel free to panic, SKO. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-cubs-just-played-a-month-of-very-mediocre-baseball/) I won't be but I won't tell you how to live your life.
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 08:38:44 AMThe 2016 Cubs: I'll believe it when I see it.
The 2016 Cubs *Santo Voice* THIS. IS. THE. YEAAAAAARRRR
The 2016 Cubs: The Year We've All Been Waiting For
The 2016 Cubs: We Think You Made It, Stew
Quote from: SKO on July 12, 2016, 11:07:21 AMQuote from: Oleg on July 12, 2016, 10:13:55 AM
Feel free to panic, SKO. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-cubs-just-played-a-month-of-very-mediocre-baseball/) I won't be but I won't tell you how to live your life.
Didn't really say anything we don't already know: nothing has changed other than that the starting pitching all went to shit at exactly the same time. What caused it? Who the fuck knows. Will it be fixed? Probably, but maybe not.
I mean logic dictates that guys who were great and then unbelievably terrible will probably go back to being pretty good, at least, and that this is just a blip, but that's logic and it's hard to listen to it until they go out there and actually pitch better. I wish there was some bad BABIP luck or abnormal strand rate noise to tell me it was a fluke.
Quote from: R-V on July 12, 2016, 11:41:48 AMQuote from: SKO on July 12, 2016, 11:07:21 AMQuote from: Oleg on July 12, 2016, 10:13:55 AM
Feel free to panic, SKO. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-cubs-just-played-a-month-of-very-mediocre-baseball/) I won't be but I won't tell you how to live your life.
Didn't really say anything we don't already know: nothing has changed other than that the starting pitching all went to shit at exactly the same time. What caused it? Who the fuck knows. Will it be fixed? Probably, but maybe not.
I mean logic dictates that guys who were great and then unbelievably terrible will probably go back to being pretty good, at least, and that this is just a blip, but that's logic and it's hard to listen to it until they go out there and actually pitch better. I wish there was some bad BABIP luck or abnormal strand rate noise to tell me it was a fluke.
For the sake of my sanity I'm just going to chalk it up to the fact that the starters were pitching at a historically ridiculous (i.e. unsustainable) level, and instead of their performance normalizing to "really good" instead of "complete insanity" slowly over the remainder of the season, the baseball gods decided to carry out said normalization over the course of a few weeks. So they'll be good the rest of the year! Or something.
Quote from: R-V on July 12, 2016, 11:41:48 AMQuote from: SKO on July 12, 2016, 11:07:21 AMQuote from: Oleg on July 12, 2016, 10:13:55 AM
Feel free to panic, SKO. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-cubs-just-played-a-month-of-very-mediocre-baseball/) I won't be but I won't tell you how to live your life.
Didn't really say anything we don't already know: nothing has changed other than that the starting pitching all went to shit at exactly the same time. What caused it? Who the fuck knows. Will it be fixed? Probably, but maybe not.
I mean logic dictates that guys who were great and then unbelievably terrible will probably go back to being pretty good, at least, and that this is just a blip, but that's logic and it's hard to listen to it until they go out there and actually pitch better. I wish there was some bad BABIP luck or abnormal strand rate noise to tell me it was a fluke.
For the sake of my sanity I'm just going to chalk it up to the fact that the starters were pitching at a historically ridiculous (i.e. unsustainable) level, and instead of their performance normalizing to "really good" instead of "complete insanity" slowly over the remainder of the season, the baseball gods decided to carry out said normalization over the course of a few weeks. So they'll be good the rest of the year! Or something.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 12, 2016, 11:50:00 AMQuote from: R-V on July 12, 2016, 11:41:48 AMQuote from: SKO on July 12, 2016, 11:07:21 AMQuote from: Oleg on July 12, 2016, 10:13:55 AM
Feel free to panic, SKO. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-cubs-just-played-a-month-of-very-mediocre-baseball/) I won't be but I won't tell you how to live your life.
Didn't really say anything we don't already know: nothing has changed other than that the starting pitching all went to shit at exactly the same time. What caused it? Who the fuck knows. Will it be fixed? Probably, but maybe not.
I mean logic dictates that guys who were great and then unbelievably terrible will probably go back to being pretty good, at least, and that this is just a blip, but that's logic and it's hard to listen to it until they go out there and actually pitch better. I wish there was some bad BABIP luck or abnormal strand rate noise to tell me it was a fluke.
For the sake of my sanity I'm just going to chalk it up to the fact that the starters were pitching at a historically ridiculous (i.e. unsustainable) level, and instead of their performance normalizing to "really good" instead of "complete insanity" slowly over the remainder of the season, the baseball gods decided to carry out said normalization over the course of a few weeks. So they'll be good the rest of the year! Or something.
What's really weird is that Montero is having a really good year from a framing perspective (http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php). And sure, having an inexperienced catcher like Contreras might factor in too.
But (for what it's worth) I think it's mainly due to the fact that the Cubs just finished a hellish stretch of damn near a month without a day off. And they came out the other side with a 7 game lead.
Hell, didn't the Royals have a fucking brutal stretch like this last year? I seem to recall they came out of it OK.
Let's swee how the next 3 weeks plays out. I can't imagine Jepstink not going balls-to-the-wall in the trade market, knowing that this is the best chance they'll have, with Fowler walking after the season, and Lester not getting any younger.
Quote from: SKO on July 12, 2016, 12:05:03 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 12, 2016, 11:50:00 AMQuote from: R-V on July 12, 2016, 11:41:48 AMQuote from: SKO on July 12, 2016, 11:07:21 AMQuote from: Oleg on July 12, 2016, 10:13:55 AM
Feel free to panic, SKO. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-cubs-just-played-a-month-of-very-mediocre-baseball/) I won't be but I won't tell you how to live your life.
Didn't really say anything we don't already know: nothing has changed other than that the starting pitching all went to shit at exactly the same time. What caused it? Who the fuck knows. Will it be fixed? Probably, but maybe not.
I mean logic dictates that guys who were great and then unbelievably terrible will probably go back to being pretty good, at least, and that this is just a blip, but that's logic and it's hard to listen to it until they go out there and actually pitch better. I wish there was some bad BABIP luck or abnormal strand rate noise to tell me it was a fluke.
For the sake of my sanity I'm just going to chalk it up to the fact that the starters were pitching at a historically ridiculous (i.e. unsustainable) level, and instead of their performance normalizing to "really good" instead of "complete insanity" slowly over the remainder of the season, the baseball gods decided to carry out said normalization over the course of a few weeks. So they'll be good the rest of the year! Or something.
What's really weird is that Montero is having a really good year from a framing perspective (http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php). And sure, having an inexperienced catcher like Contreras might factor in too.
But (for what it's worth) I think it's mainly due to the fact that the Cubs just finished a hellish stretch of damn near a month without a day off. And they came out the other side with a 7 game lead.
Hell, didn't the Royals have a fucking brutal stretch like this last year? I seem to recall they came out of it OK.
Let's swee how the next 3 weeks plays out. I can't imagine Jepstink not going balls-to-the-wall in the trade market, knowing that this is the best chance they'll have, with Fowler walking after the season, and Lester not getting any younger.
DPD but yeah, basically every world series champion had a 25 game stretch of pure garbage, as the Athletic pointed out yesterday. Joe Sheehan pointed out that the 35-5 1984 Tigers followed that up with a 22-23 stretch. But so have a lot of teams that were not world series champions. Obviously nothing matters at this point but winning the division and they should still do that, I just suspect I'm not alone in feeling ill at ease until we get some quality starts from Arrieta, Lester, and Lackey to prove the worst is behind them.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 12, 2016, 02:23:27 PMQuote from: SKO on July 12, 2016, 12:05:03 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 12, 2016, 11:50:00 AMQuote from: R-V on July 12, 2016, 11:41:48 AMQuote from: SKO on July 12, 2016, 11:07:21 AMQuote from: Oleg on July 12, 2016, 10:13:55 AM
Feel free to panic, SKO. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-cubs-just-played-a-month-of-very-mediocre-baseball/) I won't be but I won't tell you how to live your life.
Didn't really say anything we don't already know: nothing has changed other than that the starting pitching all went to shit at exactly the same time. What caused it? Who the fuck knows. Will it be fixed? Probably, but maybe not.
I mean logic dictates that guys who were great and then unbelievably terrible will probably go back to being pretty good, at least, and that this is just a blip, but that's logic and it's hard to listen to it until they go out there and actually pitch better. I wish there was some bad BABIP luck or abnormal strand rate noise to tell me it was a fluke.
For the sake of my sanity I'm just going to chalk it up to the fact that the starters were pitching at a historically ridiculous (i.e. unsustainable) level, and instead of their performance normalizing to "really good" instead of "complete insanity" slowly over the remainder of the season, the baseball gods decided to carry out said normalization over the course of a few weeks. So they'll be good the rest of the year! Or something.
What's really weird is that Montero is having a really good year from a framing perspective (http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php). And sure, having an inexperienced catcher like Contreras might factor in too.
But (for what it's worth) I think it's mainly due to the fact that the Cubs just finished a hellish stretch of damn near a month without a day off. And they came out the other side with a 7 game lead.
Hell, didn't the Royals have a fucking brutal stretch like this last year? I seem to recall they came out of it OK.
Let's swee how the next 3 weeks plays out. I can't imagine Jepstink not going balls-to-the-wall in the trade market, knowing that this is the best chance they'll have, with Fowler walking after the season, and Lester not getting any younger.
DPD but yeah, basically every world series champion had a 25 game stretch of pure garbage, as the Athletic pointed out yesterday. Joe Sheehan pointed out that the 35-5 1984 Tigers followed that up with a 22-23 stretch. But so have a lot of teams that were not world series champions. Obviously nothing matters at this point but winning the division and they should still do that, I just suspect I'm not alone in feeling ill at ease until we get some quality starts from Arrieta, Lester, and Lackey to prove the worst is behind them.
And again, swee what the inevitable trades bring.
Quote from: SKO on July 12, 2016, 03:28:41 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 12, 2016, 02:23:27 PMQuote from: SKO on July 12, 2016, 12:05:03 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 12, 2016, 11:50:00 AMQuote from: R-V on July 12, 2016, 11:41:48 AMQuote from: SKO on July 12, 2016, 11:07:21 AMQuote from: Oleg on July 12, 2016, 10:13:55 AM
Feel free to panic, SKO. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-cubs-just-played-a-month-of-very-mediocre-baseball/) I won't be but I won't tell you how to live your life.
Didn't really say anything we don't already know: nothing has changed other than that the starting pitching all went to shit at exactly the same time. What caused it? Who the fuck knows. Will it be fixed? Probably, but maybe not.
I mean logic dictates that guys who were great and then unbelievably terrible will probably go back to being pretty good, at least, and that this is just a blip, but that's logic and it's hard to listen to it until they go out there and actually pitch better. I wish there was some bad BABIP luck or abnormal strand rate noise to tell me it was a fluke.
For the sake of my sanity I'm just going to chalk it up to the fact that the starters were pitching at a historically ridiculous (i.e. unsustainable) level, and instead of their performance normalizing to "really good" instead of "complete insanity" slowly over the remainder of the season, the baseball gods decided to carry out said normalization over the course of a few weeks. So they'll be good the rest of the year! Or something.
What's really weird is that Montero is having a really good year from a framing perspective (http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php). And sure, having an inexperienced catcher like Contreras might factor in too.
But (for what it's worth) I think it's mainly due to the fact that the Cubs just finished a hellish stretch of damn near a month without a day off. And they came out the other side with a 7 game lead.
Hell, didn't the Royals have a fucking brutal stretch like this last year? I seem to recall they came out of it OK.
Let's swee how the next 3 weeks plays out. I can't imagine Jepstink not going balls-to-the-wall in the trade market, knowing that this is the best chance they'll have, with Fowler walking after the season, and Lester not getting any younger.
DPD but yeah, basically every world series champion had a 25 game stretch of pure garbage, as the Athletic pointed out yesterday. Joe Sheehan pointed out that the 35-5 1984 Tigers followed that up with a 22-23 stretch. But so have a lot of teams that were not world series champions. Obviously nothing matters at this point but winning the division and they should still do that, I just suspect I'm not alone in feeling ill at ease until we get some quality starts from Arrieta, Lester, and Lackey to prove the worst is behind them.
And again, swee what the inevitable trades bring.
I mean you keep saying that but what the hell are trades going to do about Jon, Jake, and Lackey? I said I'm not worried about the pen, guys will get better (Grimm seems to have righted the ship, Edwards has looked solid) and they'll make trades, and I bet they'll shore up left field as well, but the biggest issue of the last two weeks has been a shit rotation and only one of those guys is likely to go anywhere and that's Hammel, and he'll probably be usurped by Warren if he's dropped at all.
If the top three in the rotation pitch like they can/should/were up until this month, great, all will be fine, and it probably will be. If they keep getting shelled inexplicably Theo's not going to replace three highly paid, top of the rotation starters.
Quote from: SKO on July 12, 2016, 03:28:41 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 12, 2016, 02:23:27 PMQuote from: SKO on July 12, 2016, 12:05:03 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 12, 2016, 11:50:00 AMQuote from: R-V on July 12, 2016, 11:41:48 AMQuote from: SKO on July 12, 2016, 11:07:21 AMQuote from: Oleg on July 12, 2016, 10:13:55 AM
Feel free to panic, SKO. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-cubs-just-played-a-month-of-very-mediocre-baseball/) I won't be but I won't tell you how to live your life.
Didn't really say anything we don't already know: nothing has changed other than that the starting pitching all went to shit at exactly the same time. What caused it? Who the fuck knows. Will it be fixed? Probably, but maybe not.
I mean logic dictates that guys who were great and then unbelievably terrible will probably go back to being pretty good, at least, and that this is just a blip, but that's logic and it's hard to listen to it until they go out there and actually pitch better. I wish there was some bad BABIP luck or abnormal strand rate noise to tell me it was a fluke.
For the sake of my sanity I'm just going to chalk it up to the fact that the starters were pitching at a historically ridiculous (i.e. unsustainable) level, and instead of their performance normalizing to "really good" instead of "complete insanity" slowly over the remainder of the season, the baseball gods decided to carry out said normalization over the course of a few weeks. So they'll be good the rest of the year! Or something.
What's really weird is that Montero is having a really good year from a framing perspective (http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php). And sure, having an inexperienced catcher like Contreras might factor in too.
But (for what it's worth) I think it's mainly due to the fact that the Cubs just finished a hellish stretch of damn near a month without a day off. And they came out the other side with a 7 game lead.
Hell, didn't the Royals have a fucking brutal stretch like this last year? I seem to recall they came out of it OK.
Let's swee how the next 3 weeks plays out. I can't imagine Jepstink not going balls-to-the-wall in the trade market, knowing that this is the best chance they'll have, with Fowler walking after the season, and Lester not getting any younger.
DPD but yeah, basically every world series champion had a 25 game stretch of pure garbage, as the Athletic pointed out yesterday. Joe Sheehan pointed out that the 35-5 1984 Tigers followed that up with a 22-23 stretch. But so have a lot of teams that were not world series champions. Obviously nothing matters at this point but winning the division and they should still do that, I just suspect I'm not alone in feeling ill at ease until we get some quality starts from Arrieta, Lester, and Lackey to prove the worst is behind them.
And again, swee what the inevitable trades bring.
I mean you keep saying that but what the hell are trades going to do about Jon, Jake, and Lackey? I said I'm not worried about the pen, guys will get better (Grimm seems to have righted the ship, Edwards has looked solid) and they'll make trades, and I bet they'll shore up left field as well, but the biggest issue of the last two weeks has been a shit rotation and only one of those guys is likely to go anywhere and that's Hammel, and he'll probably be usurped by Warren if he's dropped at all.
If the top three in the rotation pitch like they can/should/were up until this month, great, all will be fine, and it probably will be. If they keep getting shelled inexplicably Theo's not going to replace three highly paid, top of the rotation starters.
Quote from: SKO on July 12, 2016, 03:28:41 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 12, 2016, 02:23:27 PMQuote from: SKO on July 12, 2016, 12:05:03 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 12, 2016, 11:50:00 AMQuote from: R-V on July 12, 2016, 11:41:48 AMQuote from: SKO on July 12, 2016, 11:07:21 AMQuote from: Oleg on July 12, 2016, 10:13:55 AM
Feel free to panic, SKO. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-cubs-just-played-a-month-of-very-mediocre-baseball/) I won't be but I won't tell you how to live your life.
Didn't really say anything we don't already know: nothing has changed other than that the starting pitching all went to shit at exactly the same time. What caused it? Who the fuck knows. Will it be fixed? Probably, but maybe not.
I mean logic dictates that guys who were great and then unbelievably terrible will probably go back to being pretty good, at least, and that this is just a blip, but that's logic and it's hard to listen to it until they go out there and actually pitch better. I wish there was some bad BABIP luck or abnormal strand rate noise to tell me it was a fluke.
For the sake of my sanity I'm just going to chalk it up to the fact that the starters were pitching at a historically ridiculous (i.e. unsustainable) level, and instead of their performance normalizing to "really good" instead of "complete insanity" slowly over the remainder of the season, the baseball gods decided to carry out said normalization over the course of a few weeks. So they'll be good the rest of the year! Or something.
What's really weird is that Montero is having a really good year from a framing perspective (http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php). And sure, having an inexperienced catcher like Contreras might factor in too.
But (for what it's worth) I think it's mainly due to the fact that the Cubs just finished a hellish stretch of damn near a month without a day off. And they came out the other side with a 7 game lead.
Hell, didn't the Royals have a fucking brutal stretch like this last year? I seem to recall they came out of it OK.
Let's swee how the next 3 weeks plays out. I can't imagine Jepstink not going balls-to-the-wall in the trade market, knowing that this is the best chance they'll have, with Fowler walking after the season, and Lester not getting any younger.
DPD but yeah, basically every world series champion had a 25 game stretch of pure garbage, as the Athletic pointed out yesterday. Joe Sheehan pointed out that the 35-5 1984 Tigers followed that up with a 22-23 stretch. But so have a lot of teams that were not world series champions. Obviously nothing matters at this point but winning the division and they should still do that, I just suspect I'm not alone in feeling ill at ease until we get some quality starts from Arrieta, Lester, and Lackey to prove the worst is behind them.
And again, swee what the inevitable trades bring.
I mean you keep saying that but what the hell are trades going to do about Jon, Jake, and Lackey? I said I'm not worried about the pen, guys will get better (Grimm seems to have righted the ship, Edwards has looked solid) and they'll make trades, and I bet they'll shore up left field as well, but the biggest issue of the last two weeks has been a shit rotation and only one of those guys is likely to go anywhere and that's Hammel, and he'll probably be usurped by Warren if he's dropped at all.
If the top three in the rotation pitch like they can/should/were up until this month, great, all will be fine, and it probably will be. If they keep getting shelled inexplicably Theo's not going to replace three highly paid, top of the rotation starters.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 12, 2016, 03:50:36 PM
But there's nothing we've seen from Jake or Lester over the past 2-3 years that indicates they won't get back on track. In fact, the past two seasons, Jake has been a soul wrecker in the second half.
Quote from: flannj on July 12, 2016, 10:35:05 PM
I hate Bud Selig.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 13, 2016, 08:13:13 AMQuote from: flannj on July 12, 2016, 10:35:05 PM
I hate Bud Selig.
Fuck Selig.
Cubs in 6.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 13, 2016, 08:33:52 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
this makes a lot more sense now that interleague play is here to stay.
Quote from: Eli on July 12, 2016, 09:26:05 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 12, 2016, 03:50:36 PM
But there's nothing we've seen from Jake or Lester over the past 2-3 years that indicates they won't get back on track. In fact, the past two seasons, Jake has been a soul wrecker in the second half.
Lester, sure. But there's plenty in Arrieta's history that could be a reasonable cause for concern.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Quote from: Oleg on July 13, 2016, 08:51:27 AMQuote from: Eli on July 12, 2016, 09:26:05 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 12, 2016, 03:50:36 PM
But there's nothing we've seen from Jake or Lester over the past 2-3 years that indicates they won't get back on track. In fact, the past two seasons, Jake has been a soul wrecker in the second half.
Lester, sure. But there's plenty in Arrieta's history that could be a reasonable cause for concern.
Maybe this is what Jake is. A dude who gets weak contact, strikes out some people, and walks his share of hitters. He's probably not the 7-win monster from last year but he may not be the Scott Feldman trade bait either. If he's just a 4-5 win pitcher who makes All-Star teams, so be it.
And, if he's less than that, let The Red Sox pay him.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:38:43 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 13, 2016, 08:33:52 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
this makes a lot more sense now that interleague play is here to stay.
I don't really even know that interleague play means all that much. You have the best record, you get the perk of home field advantage.
Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 08:56:47 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Yeah if you're 12 years old or younger...
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 10:20:34 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 08:56:47 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Yeah if you're 12 years old or younger...
So you actually like the exhibition game? I like baseball, so therefore I like the game, but I don't think it's necessary.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 10:20:34 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 08:56:47 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Yeah if you're 12 years old or younger...
So you actually like the exhibition game? I like baseball, so therefore I like the game, but I don't think it's necessary.
Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 10:26:40 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 10:20:34 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 08:56:47 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Yeah if you're 12 years old or younger...
So you actually like the exhibition game? I like baseball, so therefore I like the game, but I don't think it's necessary.
My comment was directed at your "all anyone cares about is the Home Run Derby" comment which I care about less than the All-Star Game, which I don't care about at all (though I confess to enjoying KB taking Sling Blade yard). I'm annoyed that there's no real baseball until Friday and was just pointing that any grown-assed man who cares about the Home Run Derby should go play Pokemon Go until they walk into traffic and get run over.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 13, 2016, 10:28:12 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 10:20:34 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 08:56:47 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Yeah if you're 12 years old or younger...
So you actually like the exhibition game? I like baseball, so therefore I like the game, but I don't think it's necessary.
I used to like the HR Derby when I was in Little League.
Now I don't really care for any of it except for the Futures Game.
I'm sure ESPN will drive me to hate the Futures Game in 10 years, too.
Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 10:29:50 AMQuote from: ChuckD on July 13, 2016, 10:28:12 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 10:20:34 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 08:56:47 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Yeah if you're 12 years old or younger...
So you actually like the exhibition game? I like baseball, so therefore I like the game, but I don't think it's necessary.
I used to like the HR Derby when I was in Little League.
Now I don't really care for any of it except for the Futures Game.
I'm sure ESPN will drive me to hate the Futures Game in 10 years, too.
Chuck D. summed up my feelings more succinctly than I could.
The Futures Game is cool. All of that other stuff just serves to remind me that there's no real baseball all week, which I find particularly vexing in seasons in which the Cubs are good.
Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 08:56:47 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Yeah if you're 12 years old or younger...
Quote from: Tonker on July 13, 2016, 10:58:24 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 08:56:47 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Yeah if you're 12 years old or younger...
I happened to be awake when it began this year, so I tuned in and tried to watch it. I got around half-way through the second batter (Trumbo?) and stopped. What a completely fucking pointless exercise. Plus, Berman. Sheesh.
Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 10:26:40 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 10:20:34 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 08:56:47 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Yeah if you're 12 years old or younger...
So you actually like the exhibition game? I like baseball, so therefore I like the game, but I don't think it's necessary.
My comment was directed at your "all anyone cares about is the Home Run Derby" remark, the HRD being something I care about less than the All-Star Game, which I don't care about at all (though I confess to enjoying KB taking Sling Blade yard). I'm annoyed that there's no real baseball until Friday and was just pointing that any grown-assed man who cares about the Home Run Derby should go play Pokemon Go until they walk into traffic and get run over.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 13, 2016, 11:14:11 AMBruiser...Stanfoo...grumble...mumbleQuote from: Tonker on July 13, 2016, 10:58:24 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 08:56:47 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Yeah if you're 12 years old or younger...
I happened to be awake when it began this year, so I tuned in and tried to watch it. I got around half-way through the second batter (Trumbo?) and stopped. What a completely fucking pointless exercise. Plus, Berman. Sheesh.
Had the sound off, kind of half-watched some of it while I was doing other stuff. The best part was probably what we didn't see, which was HS players going at it during the commercial breaks.
The winner, not only of the HS derby, but of the "most kickass name in baseball" derby was Nick Brueser (http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/high-school/2016/07/12/hamiltons-nick-brueser-calls-junior-home-run-derby-title-surreal-moment/86995392/), pronounced "Bruiser".
sorry Stew, he's committed to Stanford.
Quote from: Yeti on July 13, 2016, 08:36:53 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 13, 2016, 08:13:13 AMQuote from: flannj on July 12, 2016, 10:35:05 PM
I hate Bud Selig.
Fuck Selig.
Cubs in 6.
I heard a caller mention something about the 4 games in AL parks. He said, if it gets to game 7, that means the Cubs will have been able to put out an optimized batting order 4 games, as opposed to 3, and that may help them since I believe most of us agree the Cubs probably have the best lineup and great depth.
Also, 4 games of Schwarber
Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 10:26:40 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 10:20:34 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 08:56:47 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Yeah if you're 12 years old or younger...
So you actually like the exhibition game? I like baseball, so therefore I like the game, but I don't think it's necessary.
My comment was directed at your "all anyone cares about is the Home Run Derby" remark, the HRD being something I care about less than the All-Star Game, which I don't care about at all (though I confess to enjoying KB taking Sling Blade yard). I'm annoyed that there's no real baseball until Friday and was just pointing that any grown-assed man who cares about the Home Run Derby should go play Pokemon Go until they walk into traffic and get run over.
Quote from: flannj on July 13, 2016, 12:51:44 PMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 10:26:40 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 10:20:34 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 08:56:47 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Yeah if you're 12 years old or younger...
So you actually like the exhibition game? I like baseball, so therefore I like the game, but I don't think it's necessary.
My comment was directed at your "all anyone cares about is the Home Run Derby" remark, the HRD being something I care about less than the All-Star Game, which I don't care about at all (though I confess to enjoying KB taking Sling Blade yard). I'm annoyed that there's no real baseball until Friday and was just pointing that any grown-assed man who cares about the Home Run Derby should go play Pokemon Go until they walk into traffic and get run over.
In the past I've been annoyed about no real baseball for 4 days as well.
But this year it seems like the Cubs could really use the break (as well as some of us).
So I'm okay with it and I'll just drink with the TV on reruns of Star Trek TNG instead.
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2016, 12:58:16 PMQuote from: flannj on July 13, 2016, 12:51:44 PMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 10:26:40 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 10:20:34 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 08:56:47 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Yeah if you're 12 years old or younger...
So you actually like the exhibition game? I like baseball, so therefore I like the game, but I don't think it's necessary.
My comment was directed at your "all anyone cares about is the Home Run Derby" remark, the HRD being something I care about less than the All-Star Game, which I don't care about at all (though I confess to enjoying KB taking Sling Blade yard). I'm annoyed that there's no real baseball until Friday and was just pointing that any grown-assed man who cares about the Home Run Derby should go play Pokemon Go until they walk into traffic and get run over.
In the past I've been annoyed about no real baseball for 4 days as well.
But this year it seems like the Cubs could really use the break (as well as some of us).
So I'm okay with it and I'll just drink with the TV on reruns of Star Trek TNG instead.
Whole series is on Netflix, Grandpa.
I'm usually grateful for the ASB, especially this year, and I can't remember the last All Star Game I watched for more than maybe an inning. I liked the Derby a lot better during the Sammy/Bonds era, but to Huey's point I was 12 back then.
Quote from: flannj on July 13, 2016, 01:19:18 PMQuote from: SKO on July 13, 2016, 12:58:16 PMQuote from: flannj on July 13, 2016, 12:51:44 PMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 10:26:40 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 10:20:34 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 08:56:47 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Yeah if you're 12 years old or younger...
So you actually like the exhibition game? I like baseball, so therefore I like the game, but I don't think it's necessary.
My comment was directed at your "all anyone cares about is the Home Run Derby" remark, the HRD being something I care about less than the All-Star Game, which I don't care about at all (though I confess to enjoying KB taking Sling Blade yard). I'm annoyed that there's no real baseball until Friday and was just pointing that any grown-assed man who cares about the Home Run Derby should go play Pokemon Go until they walk into traffic and get run over.
In the past I've been annoyed about no real baseball for 4 days as well.
But this year it seems like the Cubs could really use the break (as well as some of us).
So I'm okay with it and I'll just drink with the TV on reruns of Star Trek TNG instead.
Whole series is on Netflix, Grandpa.
I'm usually grateful for the ASB, especially this year, and I can't remember the last All Star Game I watched for more than maybe an inning. I liked the Derby a lot better during the Sammy/Bonds era, but to Huey's point I was 12 back then.
It's more authentic with the commercial interruptions, Sonny.
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2016, 01:25:25 PMQuote from: flannj on July 13, 2016, 01:19:18 PMQuote from: SKO on July 13, 2016, 12:58:16 PMQuote from: flannj on July 13, 2016, 12:51:44 PMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 10:26:40 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 10:20:34 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 08:56:47 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Yeah if you're 12 years old or younger...
So you actually like the exhibition game? I like baseball, so therefore I like the game, but I don't think it's necessary.
My comment was directed at your "all anyone cares about is the Home Run Derby" remark, the HRD being something I care about less than the All-Star Game, which I don't care about at all (though I confess to enjoying KB taking Sling Blade yard). I'm annoyed that there's no real baseball until Friday and was just pointing that any grown-assed man who cares about the Home Run Derby should go play Pokemon Go until they walk into traffic and get run over.
In the past I've been annoyed about no real baseball for 4 days as well.
But this year it seems like the Cubs could really use the break (as well as some of us).
So I'm okay with it and I'll just drink with the TV on reruns of Star Trek TNG instead.
Whole series is on Netflix, Grandpa.
I'm usually grateful for the ASB, especially this year, and I can't remember the last All Star Game I watched for more than maybe an inning. I liked the Derby a lot better during the Sammy/Bonds era, but to Huey's point I was 12 back then.
It's more authentic with the commercial interruptions, Sonny.
The first copies of Star Wars that I ever had were ones my grandma recorded for me one week when there was a marathon on TV because this was that weird early 90s period when, believe it or not, it was actually kind of hard to find copies of Star Wars. I watched them endlessly for about 4 years before I got the special edition VHS tapes for Christmas one year (again from Grandma). To this day I still kind of miss the old early 90s commercials whenever I watch Star Wars. Also, my Grandma kicks ass.
Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 01:44:50 PMQuote from: SKO on July 13, 2016, 01:25:25 PMQuote from: flannj on July 13, 2016, 01:19:18 PMQuote from: SKO on July 13, 2016, 12:58:16 PMQuote from: flannj on July 13, 2016, 12:51:44 PMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 10:26:40 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 10:20:34 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 08:56:47 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Yeah if you're 12 years old or younger...
So you actually like the exhibition game? I like baseball, so therefore I like the game, but I don't think it's necessary.
My comment was directed at your "all anyone cares about is the Home Run Derby" remark, the HRD being something I care about less than the All-Star Game, which I don't care about at all (though I confess to enjoying KB taking Sling Blade yard). I'm annoyed that there's no real baseball until Friday and was just pointing that any grown-assed man who cares about the Home Run Derby should go play Pokemon Go until they walk into traffic and get run over.
In the past I've been annoyed about no real baseball for 4 days as well.
But this year it seems like the Cubs could really use the break (as well as some of us).
So I'm okay with it and I'll just drink with the TV on reruns of Star Trek TNG instead.
Whole series is on Netflix, Grandpa.
I'm usually grateful for the ASB, especially this year, and I can't remember the last All Star Game I watched for more than maybe an inning. I liked the Derby a lot better during the Sammy/Bonds era, but to Huey's point I was 12 back then.
It's more authentic with the commercial interruptions, Sonny.
The first copies of Star Wars that I ever had were ones my grandma recorded for me one week when there was a marathon on TV because this was that weird early 90s period when, believe it or not, it was actually kind of hard to find copies of Star Wars. I watched them endlessly for about 4 years before I got the special edition VHS tapes for Christmas one year (again from Grandma). To this day I still kind of miss the old early 90s commercials whenever I watch Star Wars. Also, my Grandma kicks ass.
I taped all kinds of shit in the early '80s, mostly sports (though some movies). The 1985 NCAA Men's Championship inn which Villanova upset Georgetown, the Cubs' Opening Days in both 1984 and 1985 (the latter which occurred the day after the 'Nova upset...the VCR was getting quite a workout that week), and about 10 of the regular season Bears games in 1985, as well as both playoff games and the Super Bowls....anyway, as I typically was watching these events while I recorded them, I was in the practice of very diligently hitting "pause" whenever there was a commercial break, and then I would resume the recording of the said event as soon as the action came back on because if I were to re-watch these games (which, come to think of it, I don't think I ever did) who the fuck wants to sit through commercials? Little did I realize, at the time, that I was excising some Americana gold that I'd have enjoyed almost as much as the events themselves 30 years later.
Quote from: flannj on July 13, 2016, 02:40:45 PMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 01:44:50 PMQuote from: SKO on July 13, 2016, 01:25:25 PMQuote from: flannj on July 13, 2016, 01:19:18 PMQuote from: SKO on July 13, 2016, 12:58:16 PMQuote from: flannj on July 13, 2016, 12:51:44 PMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 10:26:40 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 10:20:34 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 08:56:47 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Yeah if you're 12 years old or younger...
So you actually like the exhibition game? I like baseball, so therefore I like the game, but I don't think it's necessary.
My comment was directed at your "all anyone cares about is the Home Run Derby" remark, the HRD being something I care about less than the All-Star Game, which I don't care about at all (though I confess to enjoying KB taking Sling Blade yard). I'm annoyed that there's no real baseball until Friday and was just pointing that any grown-assed man who cares about the Home Run Derby should go play Pokemon Go until they walk into traffic and get run over.
In the past I've been annoyed about no real baseball for 4 days as well.
But this year it seems like the Cubs could really use the break (as well as some of us).
So I'm okay with it and I'll just drink with the TV on reruns of Star Trek TNG instead.
Whole series is on Netflix, Grandpa.
I'm usually grateful for the ASB, especially this year, and I can't remember the last All Star Game I watched for more than maybe an inning. I liked the Derby a lot better during the Sammy/Bonds era, but to Huey's point I was 12 back then.
It's more authentic with the commercial interruptions, Sonny.
The first copies of Star Wars that I ever had were ones my grandma recorded for me one week when there was a marathon on TV because this was that weird early 90s period when, believe it or not, it was actually kind of hard to find copies of Star Wars. I watched them endlessly for about 4 years before I got the special edition VHS tapes for Christmas one year (again from Grandma). To this day I still kind of miss the old early 90s commercials whenever I watch Star Wars. Also, my Grandma kicks ass.
I taped all kinds of shit in the early '80s, mostly sports (though some movies). The 1985 NCAA Men's Championship inn which Villanova upset Georgetown, the Cubs' Opening Days in both 1984 and 1985 (the latter which occurred the day after the 'Nova upset...the VCR was getting quite a workout that week), and about 10 of the regular season Bears games in 1985, as well as both playoff games and the Super Bowls....anyway, as I typically was watching these events while I recorded them, I was in the practice of very diligently hitting "pause" whenever there was a commercial break, and then I would resume the recording of the said event as soon as the action came back on because if I were to re-watch these games (which, come to think of it, I don't think I ever did) who the fuck wants to sit through commercials? Little did I realize, at the time, that I was excising some Americana gold that I'd have enjoyed almost as much as the events themselves 30 years later.
This is the Hueyist thing ever.
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2016, 02:46:54 PMQuote from: flannj on July 13, 2016, 02:40:45 PMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 01:44:50 PMQuote from: SKO on July 13, 2016, 01:25:25 PMQuote from: flannj on July 13, 2016, 01:19:18 PMQuote from: SKO on July 13, 2016, 12:58:16 PMQuote from: flannj on July 13, 2016, 12:51:44 PMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 10:26:40 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 10:20:34 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 08:56:47 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Yeah if you're 12 years old or younger...
So you actually like the exhibition game? I like baseball, so therefore I like the game, but I don't think it's necessary.
My comment was directed at your "all anyone cares about is the Home Run Derby" remark, the HRD being something I care about less than the All-Star Game, which I don't care about at all (though I confess to enjoying KB taking Sling Blade yard). I'm annoyed that there's no real baseball until Friday and was just pointing that any grown-assed man who cares about the Home Run Derby should go play Pokemon Go until they walk into traffic and get run over.
In the past I've been annoyed about no real baseball for 4 days as well.
But this year it seems like the Cubs could really use the break (as well as some of us).
So I'm okay with it and I'll just drink with the TV on reruns of Star Trek TNG instead.
Whole series is on Netflix, Grandpa.
I'm usually grateful for the ASB, especially this year, and I can't remember the last All Star Game I watched for more than maybe an inning. I liked the Derby a lot better during the Sammy/Bonds era, but to Huey's point I was 12 back then.
It's more authentic with the commercial interruptions, Sonny.
The first copies of Star Wars that I ever had were ones my grandma recorded for me one week when there was a marathon on TV because this was that weird early 90s period when, believe it or not, it was actually kind of hard to find copies of Star Wars. I watched them endlessly for about 4 years before I got the special edition VHS tapes for Christmas one year (again from Grandma). To this day I still kind of miss the old early 90s commercials whenever I watch Star Wars. Also, my Grandma kicks ass.
I taped all kinds of shit in the early '80s, mostly sports (though some movies). The 1985 NCAA Men's Championship inn which Villanova upset Georgetown, the Cubs' Opening Days in both 1984 and 1985 (the latter which occurred the day after the 'Nova upset...the VCR was getting quite a workout that week), and about 10 of the regular season Bears games in 1985, as well as both playoff games and the Super Bowls....anyway, as I typically was watching these events while I recorded them, I was in the practice of very diligently hitting "pause" whenever there was a commercial break, and then I would resume the recording of the said event as soon as the action came back on because if I were to re-watch these games (which, come to think of it, I don't think I ever did) who the fuck wants to sit through commercials? Little did I realize, at the time, that I was excising some Americana gold that I'd have enjoyed almost as much as the events themselves 30 years later.
This is the Hueyist thing ever.
You really have to picture him in the TRON suit as he does this.
Quote from: flannj on July 13, 2016, 12:51:44 PMThe All-Star break has some kind of supernatural effect on ballplayers. How often we see a radical change in the performance of teams before and after the Break. What happens? Do they go home and get set upon by their wives or SOs because they under or over performed in the first half? Do they succumb to the temperature? Are they just tired? Bored?Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 10:26:40 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 10:20:34 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 13, 2016, 08:56:47 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 13, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Honestly, why can't the team with the best record have home field advantage in the World Series?
The All Star Game shouldn't matter. Why does it have to matter? All anyone really cares about is the Home Run Derby.
Yeah if you're 12 years old or younger...
So you actually like the exhibition game? I like baseball, so therefore I like the game, but I don't think it's necessary.
My comment was directed at your "all anyone cares about is the Home Run Derby" remark, the HRD being something I care about less than the All-Star Game, which I don't care about at all (though I confess to enjoying KB taking Sling Blade yard). I'm annoyed that there's no real baseball until Friday and was just pointing that any grown-assed man who cares about the Home Run Derby should go play Pokemon Go until they walk into traffic and get run over.
In the past I've been annoyed about no real baseball for 4 days as well.
But this year it seems like the Cubs could really use the break (as well as some of us).
So I'm okay with it and I'll just drink with the TV on reruns of Star Trek TNG instead.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 19, 2016, 08:36:16 AM
Dex and Jorge both report to Iowa for rehab today.
Magic number is 63.
Just need Jake to scatter the ashes of the Mets' souls tonight and we're golden.
Quote from: Yeti on July 19, 2016, 09:27:59 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 19, 2016, 08:36:16 AM
Dex and Jorge both report to Iowa for rehab today.
Magic number is 63.
Just need Jake to scatter the ashes of the Mets' souls tonight and we're golden.
Why this permeates my dreams, I don't know, but I dreamt that Jake only lasted 4.1 innings. Prove my subconscious wrong, Jake
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:16:38 PM
Twice these assholes have had Familia bases loaded, 0 outs and done jack shit. If they don't win playoff games by 3+, they're fucked in the close ones.
Quote from: Canadouche on July 19, 2016, 09:33:04 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:16:38 PM
Twice these assholes have had Familia bases loaded, 0 outs and done jack shit. If they don't win playoff games by 3+, they're fucked in the close ones.
You're right. Their failure to overcome the most dominant closer in baseball right now is somehow indicative to their general inability to win close ones.
Quote from: Canadouche on July 19, 2016, 09:33:04 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:16:38 PM
Twice these assholes have had Familia bases loaded, 0 outs and done jack shit. If they don't win playoff games by 3+, they're fucked in the close ones.
You're right. Their failure to overcome the most dominant closer in baseball right now is somehow indicative to their general inability to win close ones.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:55:40 PMQuote from: Canadouche on July 19, 2016, 09:33:04 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:16:38 PM
Twice these assholes have had Familia bases loaded, 0 outs and done jack shit. If they don't win playoff games by 3+, they're fucked in the close ones.
You're right. Their failure to overcome the most dominant closer in baseball right now is somehow indicative to their general inability to win close ones.
That'd be the 11-15 record in 1-run games...not helped by these two failures.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:55:40 PMQuote from: Canadouche on July 19, 2016, 09:33:04 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:16:38 PM
Twice these assholes have had Familia bases loaded, 0 outs and done jack shit. If they don't win playoff games by 3+, they're fucked in the close ones.
You're right. Their failure to overcome the most dominant closer in baseball right now is somehow indicative to their general inability to win close ones.
That'd be the 11-15 record in 1-run games...not helped by these two failures.
Quote from: Brownie on July 19, 2016, 09:59:38 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:55:40 PMQuote from: Canadouche on July 19, 2016, 09:33:04 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:16:38 PM
Twice these assholes have had Familia bases loaded, 0 outs and done jack shit. If they don't win playoff games by 3+, they're fucked in the close ones.
You're right. Their failure to overcome the most dominant closer in baseball right now is somehow indicative to their general inability to win close ones.
That'd be the 11-15 record in 1-run games...not helped by these two failures.
I am not particularly optimisticc about the Cubs right now, but record in 1-run games tends to be a function of luck.
Quote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 10:01:56 PMQuote from: Brownie on July 19, 2016, 09:59:38 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:55:40 PMQuote from: Canadouche on July 19, 2016, 09:33:04 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:16:38 PM
Twice these assholes have had Familia bases loaded, 0 outs and done jack shit. If they don't win playoff games by 3+, they're fucked in the close ones.
You're right. Their failure to overcome the most dominant closer in baseball right now is somehow indicative to their general inability to win close ones.
That'd be the 11-15 record in 1-run games...not helped by these two failures.
I am not particularly optimisticc about the Cubs right now, but record in 1-run games tends to be a function of luck.
What's not to be optimistic about? They've won 3/5 to start the second half against the best team in the AL and a solid NL contender and the starters have all looked good again. Bullpen help is at worst two weeks away. Fowler and Soler are rehabbing. I don't get this.
Quote from: Brownie on July 19, 2016, 10:04:03 PMQuote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 10:01:56 PMQuote from: Brownie on July 19, 2016, 09:59:38 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:55:40 PMQuote from: Canadouche on July 19, 2016, 09:33:04 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:16:38 PM
Twice these assholes have had Familia bases loaded, 0 outs and done jack shit. If they don't win playoff games by 3+, they're fucked in the close ones.
You're right. Their failure to overcome the most dominant closer in baseball right now is somehow indicative to their general inability to win close ones.
That'd be the 11-15 record in 1-run games...not helped by these two failures.
I am not particularly optimisticc about the Cubs right now, but record in 1-run games tends to be a function of luck.
What's not to be optimistic about? They've won 3/5 to start the second half against the best team in the AL and a solid NL contender and the starters have all looked good again. Bullpen help is at worst two weeks away. Fowler and Soler are rehabbing. I don't get this.
It's probably just a spell. I want Dexter to show me his hamstring is OK and dominant Soler to be back. Then I'll be fine.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 19, 2016, 07:29:27 PMQuote from: Yeti on July 19, 2016, 09:27:59 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 19, 2016, 08:36:16 AM
Dex and Jorge both report to Iowa for rehab today.
Magic number is 63.
Just need Jake to scatter the ashes of the Mets' souls tonight and we're golden.
Why this permeates my dreams, I don't know, but I dreamt that Jake only lasted 4.1 innings. Prove my subconscious wrong, Jake
He just made it through 4.1 innings on 38 pitches.
Quote from: Brownie on July 19, 2016, 10:04:03 PMQuote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 10:01:56 PMQuote from: Brownie on July 19, 2016, 09:59:38 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:55:40 PMQuote from: Canadouche on July 19, 2016, 09:33:04 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:16:38 PM
Twice these assholes have had Familia bases loaded, 0 outs and done jack shit. If they don't win playoff games by 3+, they're fucked in the close ones.
You're right. Their failure to overcome the most dominant closer in baseball right now is somehow indicative to their general inability to win close ones.
That'd be the 11-15 record in 1-run games...not helped by these two failures.
I am not particularly optimisticc about the Cubs right now, but record in 1-run games tends to be a function of luck.
What's not to be optimistic about? They've won 3/5 to start the second half against the best team in the AL and a solid NL contender and the starters have all looked good again. Bullpen help is at worst two weeks away. Fowler and Soler are rehabbing. I don't get this.
It's probably just a spell. I want Dexter to show me his hamstring is OK and dominant Soler to be back. Then I'll be fine.
Quote from: Eli on July 20, 2016, 08:19:28 AMQuote from: Brownie on July 19, 2016, 10:04:03 PMQuote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 10:01:56 PMQuote from: Brownie on July 19, 2016, 09:59:38 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:55:40 PMQuote from: Canadouche on July 19, 2016, 09:33:04 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:16:38 PM
Twice these assholes have had Familia bases loaded, 0 outs and done jack shit. If they don't win playoff games by 3+, they're fucked in the close ones.
You're right. Their failure to overcome the most dominant closer in baseball right now is somehow indicative to their general inability to win close ones.
That'd be the 11-15 record in 1-run games...not helped by these two failures.
I am not particularly optimisticc about the Cubs right now, but record in 1-run games tends to be a function of luck.
What's not to be optimistic about? They've won 3/5 to start the second half against the best team in the AL and a solid NL contender and the starters have all looked good again. Bullpen help is at worst two weeks away. Fowler and Soler are rehabbing. I don't get this.
It's probably just a spell. I want Dexter to show me his hamstring is OK and dominant Soler to be back. Then I'll be fine.
He'd need to appear in the first place for that phrasing to work.
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2016, 08:24:19 AMQuote from: Eli on July 20, 2016, 08:19:28 AMQuote from: Brownie on July 19, 2016, 10:04:03 PMQuote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 10:01:56 PMQuote from: Brownie on July 19, 2016, 09:59:38 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:55:40 PMQuote from: Canadouche on July 19, 2016, 09:33:04 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:16:38 PM
Twice these assholes have had Familia bases loaded, 0 outs and done jack shit. If they don't win playoff games by 3+, they're fucked in the close ones.
You're right. Their failure to overcome the most dominant closer in baseball right now is somehow indicative to their general inability to win close ones.
That'd be the 11-15 record in 1-run games...not helped by these two failures.
I am not particularly optimisticc about the Cubs right now, but record in 1-run games tends to be a function of luck.
What's not to be optimistic about? They've won 3/5 to start the second half against the best team in the AL and a solid NL contender and the starters have all looked good again. Bullpen help is at worst two weeks away. Fowler and Soler are rehabbing. I don't get this.
It's probably just a spell. I want Dexter to show me his hamstring is OK and dominant Soler to be back. Then I'll be fine.
He'd need to appear in the first place for that phrasing to work.
I assume TJ is referring to this:
(http://i66.tinypic.com/o7lhkp.png)
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2016, 08:24:19 AMQuote from: Eli on July 20, 2016, 08:19:28 AMQuote from: Brownie on July 19, 2016, 10:04:03 PMQuote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 10:01:56 PMQuote from: Brownie on July 19, 2016, 09:59:38 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:55:40 PMQuote from: Canadouche on July 19, 2016, 09:33:04 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:16:38 PM
Twice these assholes have had Familia bases loaded, 0 outs and done jack shit. If they don't win playoff games by 3+, they're fucked in the close ones.
You're right. Their failure to overcome the most dominant closer in baseball right now is somehow indicative to their general inability to win close ones.
That'd be the 11-15 record in 1-run games...not helped by these two failures.
I am not particularly optimisticc about the Cubs right now, but record in 1-run games tends to be a function of luck.
What's not to be optimistic about? They've won 3/5 to start the second half against the best team in the AL and a solid NL contender and the starters have all looked good again. Bullpen help is at worst two weeks away. Fowler and Soler are rehabbing. I don't get this.
It's probably just a spell. I want Dexter to show me his hamstring is OK and dominant Soler to be back. Then I'll be fine.
He'd need to appear in the first place for that phrasing to work.
I assume TJ is referring to this:
Quote from: Eli on July 20, 2016, 08:35:22 AMQuote from: SKO on July 20, 2016, 08:24:19 AMQuote from: Eli on July 20, 2016, 08:19:28 AMQuote from: Brownie on July 19, 2016, 10:04:03 PMQuote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 10:01:56 PMQuote from: Brownie on July 19, 2016, 09:59:38 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:55:40 PMQuote from: Canadouche on July 19, 2016, 09:33:04 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:16:38 PM
Twice these assholes have had Familia bases loaded, 0 outs and done jack shit. If they don't win playoff games by 3+, they're fucked in the close ones.
You're right. Their failure to overcome the most dominant closer in baseball right now is somehow indicative to their general inability to win close ones.
That'd be the 11-15 record in 1-run games...not helped by these two failures.
I am not particularly optimisticc about the Cubs right now, but record in 1-run games tends to be a function of luck.
What's not to be optimistic about? They've won 3/5 to start the second half against the best team in the AL and a solid NL contender and the starters have all looked good again. Bullpen help is at worst two weeks away. Fowler and Soler are rehabbing. I don't get this.
It's probably just a spell. I want Dexter to show me his hamstring is OK and dominant Soler to be back. Then I'll be fine.
He'd need to appear in the first place for that phrasing to work.
I assume TJ is referring to this:
That was definitely a good week.
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2016, 09:13:59 AMQuote from: Eli on July 20, 2016, 08:35:22 AMQuote from: SKO on July 20, 2016, 08:24:19 AMQuote from: Eli on July 20, 2016, 08:19:28 AMQuote from: Brownie on July 19, 2016, 10:04:03 PMQuote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 10:01:56 PMQuote from: Brownie on July 19, 2016, 09:59:38 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:55:40 PMQuote from: Canadouche on July 19, 2016, 09:33:04 PMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:16:38 PM
Twice these assholes have had Familia bases loaded, 0 outs and done jack shit. If they don't win playoff games by 3+, they're fucked in the close ones.
You're right. Their failure to overcome the most dominant closer in baseball right now is somehow indicative to their general inability to win close ones.
That'd be the 11-15 record in 1-run games...not helped by these two failures.
I am not particularly optimisticc about the Cubs right now, but record in 1-run games tends to be a function of luck.
What's not to be optimistic about? They've won 3/5 to start the second half against the best team in the AL and a solid NL contender and the starters have all looked good again. Bullpen help is at worst two weeks away. Fowler and Soler are rehabbing. I don't get this.
It's probably just a spell. I want Dexter to show me his hamstring is OK and dominant Soler to be back. Then I'll be fine.
He'd need to appear in the first place for that phrasing to work.
I assume TJ is referring to this:
That was definitely a good week.
I'm not really defending Jorge. I have a hard time figuring out how I'd even want him in the lineup right now, since he'd basically just be taking playing time away from Javy and I don't want that. I'd be fine with trading him. I was just pointing out that we have seen a dominant Soler before. Almora has shown me enough that I think he really could be a decent 2-3 win player in CF next year so I don't really think they'll do the Schwarber-Heyward-Soler OF, so I really don't see much of a future for Jorge here.
I look forward to Fowler being back though so they can give Contreras more starts at catcher instead of LF.
Fowler CF, Bryant LF, Rizzo 1B, Contreras C, Zobrist 2B, Baez 3B, Russell SS, Heyward RF would be a very nice lineup most days.
Presumably the 2017 lineup is something like a hopefully not shitty Heyward RF/Schwarber LF/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Almora CF with Baez getting 3-4 starts a week subbing in for Zobrist and Russell and taking Schwarber's place vs lefties.
So yeah...not really finding a place for Jorge.
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2016, 09:13:59 AMFowler CF, Bryant LF, Rizzo 1B, Contreras C, Zobrist 2B, Baez 3B, Russell SS, Heyward RF would be a very nice lineup most days.
Quote from: R-V on July 20, 2016, 09:29:16 AMQuote from: SKO on July 20, 2016, 09:13:59 AMFowler CF, Bryant LF, Rizzo 1B, Contreras C, Zobrist 2B, Baez 3B, Russell SS, Heyward RF would be a very nice lineup most days.
I'm down with this with a couple caveats:
- Give La Stella some starts against RHP in place of Baez, as he's hit righties well.
- Get Ross some starts against LHP in place of Russell or Heyward, so the catcher playing time split looks something like 50 Contreras/30 Ross/20 Miggy (just the Jake starts for Miggy)
Quote from: R-V on July 20, 2016, 09:29:16 AMQuote from: SKO on July 20, 2016, 09:13:59 AMFowler CF, Bryant LF, Rizzo 1B, Contreras C, Zobrist 2B, Baez 3B, Russell SS, Heyward RF would be a very nice lineup most days.
I'm down with this with a couple caveats:
- Give La Stella some starts against RHP in place of Baez, as he's hit righties well.
- Get Ross some starts against LHP in place of Russell or Heyward, so the catcher playing time split looks something like 50 Contreras/30 Ross/20 Miggy (just the Jake starts for Miggy)
Quote from: PANK! on July 20, 2016, 09:36:55 AMQuote from: R-V on July 20, 2016, 09:29:16 AMQuote from: SKO on July 20, 2016, 09:13:59 AMFowler CF, Bryant LF, Rizzo 1B, Contreras C, Zobrist 2B, Baez 3B, Russell SS, Heyward RF would be a very nice lineup most days.
I'm down with this with a couple caveats:
- Give La Stella some starts against RHP in place of Baez, as he's hit righties well.
- Get Ross some starts against LHP in place of Russell or Heyward, so the catcher playing time split looks something like 50 Contreras/30 Ross/20 Miggy (just the Jake starts for Miggy)
Why does RV think there are 100 games left?
Quote from: R-V on July 20, 2016, 09:41:33 AMI agree with you 110%.Quote from: PANK! on July 20, 2016, 09:36:55 AMQuote from: R-V on July 20, 2016, 09:29:16 AMQuote from: SKO on July 20, 2016, 09:13:59 AMFowler CF, Bryant LF, Rizzo 1B, Contreras C, Zobrist 2B, Baez 3B, Russell SS, Heyward RF would be a very nice lineup most days.
I'm down with this with a couple caveats:
- Give La Stella some starts against RHP in place of Baez, as he's hit righties well.
- Get Ross some starts against LHP in place of Russell or Heyward, so the catcher playing time split looks something like 50 Contreras/30 Ross/20 Miggy (just the Jake starts for Miggy)
Why does RV think there are 100 games left?
IT WAS MEANT TO BE PERCENTAGES YOU CLOD
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:16:38 PM
Twice these assholes have had Familia bases loaded, 0 outs and done jack shit. If they don't win playoff games by 3+, they're fucked in the close ones.
Quote from: Shooter on July 20, 2016, 10:27:38 AMQuote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:16:38 PM
Twice these assholes have had Familia bases loaded, 0 outs and done jack shit. If they don't win playoff games by 3+, they're fucked in the close ones.
What's the opposite of a fair-weather fan?
Quote from: Eddie Vedder
We are not fair-weather but foul-weather fans.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 20, 2016, 04:38:26 PM
Cubs trade Vogelbach to Mariners for Mike Montgomery.
Whoa.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 20, 2016, 04:47:46 PMQuote from: PenFoe on July 20, 2016, 04:38:26 PM
Cubs trade Vogelbach to Mariners for Mike Montgomery.
Whoa.
And possibly more players in the deal if Twitter is to be believed.
Montgomery is pretty good. He's been worth a win and a half per bWAR, almost 1 per fWAR. He'll help.
But I still want Miller.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 20, 2016, 04:53:42 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 20, 2016, 04:47:46 PMQuote from: PenFoe on July 20, 2016, 04:38:26 PM
Cubs trade Vogelbach to Mariners for Mike Montgomery.
Whoa.
And possibly more players in the deal if Twitter is to be believed.
Montgomery is pretty good. He's been worth a win and a half per bWAR, almost 1 per fWAR. He'll help.
But I still want Miller.
I'm very down with this trade, pending final players.
If it's Vogelbach for Montgomery straight up, that's fantastic.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 20, 2016, 04:58:56 PMQuote from: PenFoe on July 20, 2016, 04:53:42 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 20, 2016, 04:47:46 PMQuote from: PenFoe on July 20, 2016, 04:38:26 PM
Cubs trade Vogelbach to Mariners for Mike Montgomery.
Whoa.
And possibly more players in the deal if Twitter is to be believed.
Montgomery is pretty good. He's been worth a win and a half per bWAR, almost 1 per fWAR. He'll help.
But I still want Miller.
I'm very down with this trade, pending final players.
If it's Vogelbach for Montgomery straight up, that's fantastic.
Reports that Paul Blackburn is headed Seattle's way too.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 20, 2016, 05:29:12 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 20, 2016, 04:58:56 PMQuote from: PenFoe on July 20, 2016, 04:53:42 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 20, 2016, 04:47:46 PMQuote from: PenFoe on July 20, 2016, 04:38:26 PM
Cubs trade Vogelbach to Mariners for Mike Montgomery.
Whoa.
And possibly more players in the deal if Twitter is to be believed.
Montgomery is pretty good. He's been worth a win and a half per bWAR, almost 1 per fWAR. He'll help.
But I still want Miller.
I'm very down with this trade, pending final players.
If it's Vogelbach for Montgomery straight up, that's fantastic.
Reports that Paul Blackburn is headed Seattle's way too.
DPD. Cubs are supposedly getting a Triple-A starter. I'll speculate and say either Lee or Martin. Unless they want Donn Roach back.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 20, 2016, 04:47:46 PMQuote from: PenFoe on July 20, 2016, 04:38:26 PM
Cubs trade Vogelbach to Mariners for Mike Montgomery.
Whoa.
And possibly more players in the deal if Twitter is to be believed.
Montgomery is pretty good. He's been worth a win and a half per bWAR, almost 1 per fWAR. He'll help.
But I still want Miller.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 21, 2016, 08:16:05 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 20, 2016, 04:47:46 PMQuote from: PenFoe on July 20, 2016, 04:38:26 PM
Cubs trade Vogelbach to Mariners for Mike Montgomery.
Whoa.
And possibly more players in the deal if Twitter is to be believed.
Montgomery is pretty good. He's been worth a win and a half per bWAR, almost 1 per fWAR. He'll help.
But I still want Miller.
The Yankees are busy doing their 2015 White Sox imitation, coming out of the break hot before they fizzle. They might not be sellers at all.
Quote from: PANK! on July 21, 2016, 08:40:42 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 21, 2016, 08:16:05 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 20, 2016, 04:47:46 PMQuote from: PenFoe on July 20, 2016, 04:38:26 PM
Cubs trade Vogelbach to Mariners for Mike Montgomery.
Whoa.
And possibly more players in the deal if Twitter is to be believed.
Montgomery is pretty good. He's been worth a win and a half per bWAR, almost 1 per fWAR. He'll help.
But I still want Miller.
The Yankees are busy doing their 2015 White Sox imitation, coming out of the break hot before they fizzle. They might not be sellers at all.
Montgomery was a first round pick 8 years ago (much like Miller was 10 years ago) and it took the southpaw a little time to figure things out (like Miller). He's 27 now (Miller was 25 when Theo signed him for Boston after the 2010 season--although Miller's metrics--at the time--didn't really show that he had figured things out yet), and might just be reaching some late-arriving excellence which is not uncommon for many lefthanders (like, well, you know). I'm not saying Theo's saying that Montgomery's the next Andrew Miller, but that Theo does see a parallel trajectory between the 2, and that it didn't cost him shit to acquire the former while staying firmly in the hunt for the latter*. I also wonder if Montgomery himself won't be flipped to land Miller or Chapman or both--his long-term upside and cost control (not arbitration-eligible until 2019, no free agency until 2022) being an attractive feature to the Yanks if they do, indeed, decide to sell.
There's also some sort of parallel here to Arrieta having turned it around I suppose too
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 08:53:38 AMQuote from: PANK! on July 21, 2016, 08:40:42 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 21, 2016, 08:16:05 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 20, 2016, 04:47:46 PMQuote from: PenFoe on July 20, 2016, 04:38:26 PM
Cubs trade Vogelbach to Mariners for Mike Montgomery.
Whoa.
And possibly more players in the deal if Twitter is to be believed.
Montgomery is pretty good. He's been worth a win and a half per bWAR, almost 1 per fWAR. He'll help.
But I still want Miller.
The Yankees are busy doing their 2015 White Sox imitation, coming out of the break hot before they fizzle. They might not be sellers at all.
Montgomery was a first round pick 8 years ago (much like Miller was 10 years ago) and it took the southpaw a little time to figure things out (like Miller). He's 27 now (Miller was 25 when Theo signed him for Boston after the 2010 season--although Miller's metrics--at the time--didn't really show that he had figured things out yet), and might just be reaching some late-arriving excellence which is not uncommon for many lefthanders (like, well, you know). I'm not saying Theo's saying that Montgomery's the next Andrew Miller, but that Theo does see a parallel trajectory between the 2, and that it didn't cost him shit to acquire the former while staying firmly in the hunt for the latter*. I also wonder if Montgomery himself won't be flipped to land Miller or Chapman or both--his long-term upside and cost control (not arbitration-eligible until 2019, no free agency until 2022) being an attractive feature to the Yanks if they do, indeed, decide to sell.
There's also some sort of parallel here to Arrieta having turned it around I suppose too
I don't even really care about Andrew Miller if Theo thinks he's got bigger fish to fry than blowing his load for a reliever. Montgomery's a solid reliever in his own right who can definitely be called upon to get out a dominant left handed hitter but is also capable of owning an inning all by himself. He's 17th among all relievers with at least 40 innings pitched in terms of OPS against and doesn't really have much of a platoon split. Some people question if he's due to give up a lot of dingers because he gave up a bunch as a starter last year, but since moving to the pen he's gained 3 ticks on his fastball, has allowed a lot less hard contact, and gotten more groundballs and infield flies. Seems like he's legit to me.
Theo may also wait and see if Edwards can keep this up before he decides more pen help is needed. Right now Edwards/Montgomery/Strop/Rondon with Wood available as your long man or loogy depending on the situation is a promising group, with Matusz potentially joining them in the near future. Grimm's also been less of a dumpster fire of late and if he's your 5th or 6th option you're probably not in a place where overpaying for Miller is your best bet.
My guess is Theo is going to add a legitimate left handed OF and maybe also blow our minds with a completely unexpected trade for a starter with multiple years of control.
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 08:53:38 AM
Theo may also wait and see if Edwards can keep this up before he decides more pen help is needed. Right now Edwards/Montgomery/Strop/Rondon with Wood available as your long man or loogy depending on the situation is a promising group, with Matusz potentially joining them in the near future. Grimm's also been less of a dumpster fire of late and if he's your 5th or 6th option you're probably not in a place where overpaying for Miller is your best bet.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 21, 2016, 10:43:44 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 08:53:38 AM
Theo may also wait and see if Edwards can keep this up before he decides more pen help is needed. Right now Edwards/Montgomery/Strop/Rondon with Wood available as your long man or loogy depending on the situation is a promising group, with Matusz potentially joining them in the near future. Grimm's also been less of a dumpster fire of late and if he's your 5th or 6th option you're probably not in a place where overpaying for Miller is your best bet.
We'll also find out fairly soon if Joe Nathan can serve any purpose for a couple months.
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 10:49:20 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 21, 2016, 10:43:44 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 08:53:38 AM
Theo may also wait and see if Edwards can keep this up before he decides more pen help is needed. Right now Edwards/Montgomery/Strop/Rondon with Wood available as your long man or loogy depending on the situation is a promising group, with Matusz potentially joining them in the near future. Grimm's also been less of a dumpster fire of late and if he's your 5th or 6th option you're probably not in a place where overpaying for Miller is your best bet.
We'll also find out fairly soon if Joe Nathan can serve any purpose for a couple months.
Spoiler: No
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:39:11 AM
So the 25 Man currently:
C: Contreras, Ross, Montero
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, Baez
SS: Russell
3B: Bryant, La Stella
LF: Szczur
CF: Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Hendricks, Lackey, Hammel
RP: Rondon, Strop, Edwards Jr, Grimm, Wood, Richard, Warren, Patton.
They will need to add Montgomery and Fowler tomorrow. My guess is Fowler takes Almora's spot as he goes to Iowa, Patton probably demoted to make room for Montgomery.
If they do want to call up Nathan/Matusz do they DFA Richard? Whose spot does Soler take? Hopefully just a long DL stint for Miguel with a phantom injury till September. Either way some very interesting roster decisions are coming.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 21, 2016, 11:57:31 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:39:11 AM
So the 25 Man currently:
C: Contreras, Ross, Montero
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, Baez
SS: Russell
3B: Bryant, La Stella
LF: Szczur
CF: Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Hendricks, Lackey, Hammel
RP: Rondon, Strop, Edwards Jr, Grimm, Wood, Richard, Warren, Patton.
They will need to add Montgomery and Fowler tomorrow. My guess is Fowler takes Almora's spot as he goes to Iowa, Patton probably demoted to make room for Montgomery.
If they do want to call up Nathan/Matusz do they DFA Richard? Whose spot does Soler take? Hopefully just a long DL stint for Miguel with a phantom injury till September. Either way some very interesting roster decisions are coming.
I know he's on the DL right now, but I was thinking Coghlan has to get the DFA.
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 12:06:41 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 21, 2016, 11:57:31 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:39:11 AM
So the 25 Man currently:
C: Contreras, Ross, Montero
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, Baez
SS: Russell
3B: Bryant, La Stella
LF: Szczur
CF: Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Hendricks, Lackey, Hammel
RP: Rondon, Strop, Edwards Jr, Grimm, Wood, Richard, Warren, Patton.
They will need to add Montgomery and Fowler tomorrow. My guess is Fowler takes Almora's spot as he goes to Iowa, Patton probably demoted to make room for Montgomery.
If they do want to call up Nathan/Matusz do they DFA Richard? Whose spot does Soler take? Hopefully just a long DL stint for Miguel with a phantom injury till September. Either way some very interesting roster decisions are coming.
I know he's on the DL right now, but I was thinking Coghlan has to get the DFA.
Oh yeah he's not even a consideration, but even with him out of the way there's a roster crunch coming
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 12:06:41 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 21, 2016, 11:57:31 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:39:11 AM
So the 25 Man currently:
C: Contreras, Ross, Montero
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, Baez
SS: Russell
3B: Bryant, La Stella
LF: Szczur
CF: Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Hendricks, Lackey, Hammel
RP: Rondon, Strop, Edwards Jr, Grimm, Wood, Richard, Warren, Patton.
They will need to add Montgomery and Fowler tomorrow. My guess is Fowler takes Almora's spot as he goes to Iowa, Patton probably demoted to make room for Montgomery.
If they do want to call up Nathan/Matusz do they DFA Richard? Whose spot does Soler take? Hopefully just a long DL stint for Miguel with a phantom injury till September. Either way some very interesting roster decisions are coming.
I know he's on the DL right now, but I was thinking Coghlan has to get the DFA.
Oh yeah he's not even a consideration, but even with him out of the way there's a roster crunch coming
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 21, 2016, 12:28:42 PMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 12:06:41 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 21, 2016, 11:57:31 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:39:11 AM
So the 25 Man currently:
C: Contreras, Ross, Montero
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, Baez
SS: Russell
3B: Bryant, La Stella
LF: Szczur
CF: Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Hendricks, Lackey, Hammel
RP: Rondon, Strop, Edwards Jr, Grimm, Wood, Richard, Warren, Patton.
They will need to add Montgomery and Fowler tomorrow. My guess is Fowler takes Almora's spot as he goes to Iowa, Patton probably demoted to make room for Montgomery.
If they do want to call up Nathan/Matusz do they DFA Richard? Whose spot does Soler take? Hopefully just a long DL stint for Miguel with a phantom injury till September. Either way some very interesting roster decisions are coming.
I know he's on the DL right now, but I was thinking Coghlan has to get the DFA.
Oh yeah he's not even a consideration, but even with him out of the way there's a roster crunch coming
There's at least one more trade coming. That could resolve any crunches.
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 12:36:23 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 21, 2016, 12:28:42 PMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 12:06:41 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 21, 2016, 11:57:31 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:39:11 AM
So the 25 Man currently:
C: Contreras, Ross, Montero
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, Baez
SS: Russell
3B: Bryant, La Stella
LF: Szczur
CF: Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Hendricks, Lackey, Hammel
RP: Rondon, Strop, Edwards Jr, Grimm, Wood, Richard, Warren, Patton.
They will need to add Montgomery and Fowler tomorrow. My guess is Fowler takes Almora's spot as he goes to Iowa, Patton probably demoted to make room for Montgomery.
If they do want to call up Nathan/Matusz do they DFA Richard? Whose spot does Soler take? Hopefully just a long DL stint for Miguel with a phantom injury till September. Either way some very interesting roster decisions are coming.
I know he's on the DL right now, but I was thinking Coghlan has to get the DFA.
Oh yeah he's not even a consideration, but even with him out of the way there's a roster crunch coming
There's at least one more trade coming. That could resolve any crunches.
I have a feeling (sorry Pex) that Jorge Soler is not a Cub come August 2nd.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 21, 2016, 01:34:33 PMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 12:36:23 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 21, 2016, 12:28:42 PMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 12:06:41 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 21, 2016, 11:57:31 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:39:11 AM
So the 25 Man currently:
C: Contreras, Ross, Montero
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, Baez
SS: Russell
3B: Bryant, La Stella
LF: Szczur
CF: Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Hendricks, Lackey, Hammel
RP: Rondon, Strop, Edwards Jr, Grimm, Wood, Richard, Warren, Patton.
They will need to add Montgomery and Fowler tomorrow. My guess is Fowler takes Almora's spot as he goes to Iowa, Patton probably demoted to make room for Montgomery.
If they do want to call up Nathan/Matusz do they DFA Richard? Whose spot does Soler take? Hopefully just a long DL stint for Miguel with a phantom injury till September. Either way some very interesting roster decisions are coming.
I know he's on the DL right now, but I was thinking Coghlan has to get the DFA.
Oh yeah he's not even a consideration, but even with him out of the way there's a roster crunch coming
There's at least one more trade coming. That could resolve any crunches.
I have a feeling (sorry Pex) that Jorge Soler is not a Cub come August 2nd.
Let's not get distracted, Fork was about to give us a breakdown of each potential trade partner's needs.
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 12:36:23 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 21, 2016, 12:28:42 PMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 12:06:41 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 21, 2016, 11:57:31 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:39:11 AM
So the 25 Man currently:
C: Contreras, Ross, Montero
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, Baez
SS: Russell
3B: Bryant, La Stella
LF: Szczur
CF: Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Hendricks, Lackey, Hammel
RP: Rondon, Strop, Edwards Jr, Grimm, Wood, Richard, Warren, Patton.
They will need to add Montgomery and Fowler tomorrow. My guess is Fowler takes Almora's spot as he goes to Iowa, Patton probably demoted to make room for Montgomery.
If they do want to call up Nathan/Matusz do they DFA Richard? Whose spot does Soler take? Hopefully just a long DL stint for Miguel with a phantom injury till September. Either way some very interesting roster decisions are coming.
I know he's on the DL right now, but I was thinking Coghlan has to get the DFA.
Oh yeah he's not even a consideration, but even with him out of the way there's a roster crunch coming
There's at least one more trade coming. That could resolve any crunches.
I have a feeling (sorry Pex) that Jorge Soler is not a Cub come August 2nd.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 21, 2016, 01:54:03 PMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 12:36:23 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 21, 2016, 12:28:42 PMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 12:06:41 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 21, 2016, 11:57:31 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:39:11 AM
So the 25 Man currently:
C: Contreras, Ross, Montero
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, Baez
SS: Russell
3B: Bryant, La Stella
LF: Szczur
CF: Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Hendricks, Lackey, Hammel
RP: Rondon, Strop, Edwards Jr, Grimm, Wood, Richard, Warren, Patton.
They will need to add Montgomery and Fowler tomorrow. My guess is Fowler takes Almora's spot as he goes to Iowa, Patton probably demoted to make room for Montgomery.
If they do want to call up Nathan/Matusz do they DFA Richard? Whose spot does Soler take? Hopefully just a long DL stint for Miguel with a phantom injury till September. Either way some very interesting roster decisions are coming.
I know he's on the DL right now, but I was thinking Coghlan has to get the DFA.
Oh yeah he's not even a consideration, but even with him out of the way there's a roster crunch coming
There's at least one more trade coming. That could resolve any crunches.
I have a feeling (sorry Pex) that Jorge Soler is not a Cub come August 2nd.
0-6 with 5 Ks so far on his rehab assignment.
Quote from: Canadouche on July 22, 2016, 07:46:23 AM
Rumor has it the Cubs are looking at Josh Reddick. As far as one-year-rentals go, they could do a lot worse.
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:51:34 AM
Morosi saying on the twitters that the Cubs are asking about Josh Reddick, who has hit .301/.380/.445 in Oakland this year and is warming back up after recovering from a broken bone. Would like that, although would still hope they find a way to play Javy fairly regularly.
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2016, 07:59:12 AMQuote from: Canadouche on July 22, 2016, 07:46:23 AM
Rumor has it the Cubs are looking at Josh Reddick. As far as one-year-rentals go, they could do a lot worse.Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:51:34 AM
Morosi saying on the twitters that the Cubs are asking about Josh Reddick, who has hit .301/.380/.445 in Oakland this year and is warming back up after recovering from a broken bone. Would like that, although would still hope they find a way to play Javy fairly regularly.
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:51:34 AM
Morosi saying on the twitters that the Cubs are asking about Josh Reddick, who has hit .301/.380/.445 in Oakland this year and is warming back up after recovering from a broken bone. Would like that, although would still hope they find a way to play Javy fairly regularly.
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 09:21:16 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:51:34 AM
Morosi saying on the twitters that the Cubs are asking about Josh Reddick, who has hit .301/.380/.445 in Oakland this year and is warming back up after recovering from a broken bone. Would like that, although would still hope they find a way to play Javy fairly regularly.
More days off for Zobrist? Maybe time off for Heyward too? I don't know how they would do it, but Javy needs to play.
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2016, 09:23:34 AMQuote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 09:21:16 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:51:34 AM
Morosi saying on the twitters that the Cubs are asking about Josh Reddick, who has hit .301/.380/.445 in Oakland this year and is warming back up after recovering from a broken bone. Would like that, although would still hope they find a way to play Javy fairly regularly.
More days off for Zobrist? Maybe time off for Heyward too? I don't know how they would do it, but Javy needs to play.
My guess:
vs RHP: Fowler CF/Reddick LF/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Heyward RF
vs LHP: Fowler CF/Bryant LF/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Baez 3B/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Szczur RF
Sprinkle in Ross catching Lester, and Javy getting the occasional start against a right hander in place of Zobrist or whenever Russell or Bryant need a breather.
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 09:30:26 AMQuote from: SKO on July 22, 2016, 09:23:34 AMQuote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 09:21:16 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:51:34 AM
Morosi saying on the twitters that the Cubs are asking about Josh Reddick, who has hit .301/.380/.445 in Oakland this year and is warming back up after recovering from a broken bone. Would like that, although would still hope they find a way to play Javy fairly regularly.
More days off for Zobrist? Maybe time off for Heyward too? I don't know how they would do it, but Javy needs to play.
My guess:
vs RHP: Fowler CF/Reddick LF/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Heyward RF
vs LHP: Fowler CF/Bryant LF/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Baez 3B/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Szczur RF
Sprinkle in Ross catching Lester, and Javy getting the occasional start against a right hander in place of Zobrist or whenever Russell or Bryant need a breather.
So essentially a Reddick/Javy platoon with Jorge wearing green. And our star free agent hitting eighth. Works for me.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2016, 09:57:12 AMQuote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 09:30:26 AMQuote from: SKO on July 22, 2016, 09:23:34 AMQuote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 09:21:16 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:51:34 AM
Morosi saying on the twitters that the Cubs are asking about Josh Reddick, who has hit .301/.380/.445 in Oakland this year and is warming back up after recovering from a broken bone. Would like that, although would still hope they find a way to play Javy fairly regularly.
More days off for Zobrist? Maybe time off for Heyward too? I don't know how they would do it, but Javy needs to play.
My guess:
vs RHP: Fowler CF/Reddick LF/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Heyward RF
vs LHP: Fowler CF/Bryant LF/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Baez 3B/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Szczur RF
Sprinkle in Ross catching Lester, and Javy getting the occasional start against a right hander in place of Zobrist or whenever Russell or Bryant need a breather.
So essentially a Reddick/Javy platoon with Jorge wearing green. And our star free agent hitting eighth. Works for me.
Are you saying Jorge for Reddick? I think that's a bit much for Reddick. Am I nuts on that one?
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2016, 09:59:59 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2016, 09:57:12 AMQuote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 09:30:26 AMQuote from: SKO on July 22, 2016, 09:23:34 AMQuote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 09:21:16 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:51:34 AM
Morosi saying on the twitters that the Cubs are asking about Josh Reddick, who has hit .301/.380/.445 in Oakland this year and is warming back up after recovering from a broken bone. Would like that, although would still hope they find a way to play Javy fairly regularly.
More days off for Zobrist? Maybe time off for Heyward too? I don't know how they would do it, but Javy needs to play.
My guess:
vs RHP: Fowler CF/Reddick LF/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Heyward RF
vs LHP: Fowler CF/Bryant LF/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Baez 3B/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Szczur RF
Sprinkle in Ross catching Lester, and Javy getting the occasional start against a right hander in place of Zobrist or whenever Russell or Bryant need a breather.
So essentially a Reddick/Javy platoon with Jorge wearing green. And our star free agent hitting eighth. Works for me.
Are you saying Jorge for Reddick? I think that's a bit much for Reddick. Am I nuts on that one?
It might have matched up well if Doolittle were healthy. But he isn't, so yeah, Jorge is probably too much for 3 months of Josh Reddick.
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2016, 10:03:43 AMQuote from: Eli on July 22, 2016, 09:59:59 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2016, 09:57:12 AMQuote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 09:30:26 AMQuote from: SKO on July 22, 2016, 09:23:34 AMQuote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 09:21:16 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:51:34 AM
Morosi saying on the twitters that the Cubs are asking about Josh Reddick, who has hit .301/.380/.445 in Oakland this year and is warming back up after recovering from a broken bone. Would like that, although would still hope they find a way to play Javy fairly regularly.
More days off for Zobrist? Maybe time off for Heyward too? I don't know how they would do it, but Javy needs to play.
My guess:
vs RHP: Fowler CF/Reddick LF/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Heyward RF
vs LHP: Fowler CF/Bryant LF/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Baez 3B/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Szczur RF
Sprinkle in Ross catching Lester, and Javy getting the occasional start against a right hander in place of Zobrist or whenever Russell or Bryant need a breather.
So essentially a Reddick/Javy platoon with Jorge wearing green. And our star free agent hitting eighth. Works for me.
Are you saying Jorge for Reddick? I think that's a bit much for Reddick. Am I nuts on that one?
It might have matched up well if Doolittle were healthy. But he isn't, so yeah, Jorge is probably too much for 3 months of Josh Reddick.
Yeah since Reddick is a rental I'm guessing something more in the Candelario neighborhood. Zagunis might be a guy that makes sense for Oakland.
I think Jorge is going to be in the big package for the unnamed controllable starting pitcher I still think they're going to get somehow.
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 10:12:17 AMQuote from: SKO on July 22, 2016, 10:03:43 AMQuote from: Eli on July 22, 2016, 09:59:59 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2016, 09:57:12 AMQuote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 09:30:26 AMQuote from: SKO on July 22, 2016, 09:23:34 AMQuote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 09:21:16 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:51:34 AM
Morosi saying on the twitters that the Cubs are asking about Josh Reddick, who has hit .301/.380/.445 in Oakland this year and is warming back up after recovering from a broken bone. Would like that, although would still hope they find a way to play Javy fairly regularly.
More days off for Zobrist? Maybe time off for Heyward too? I don't know how they would do it, but Javy needs to play.
My guess:
vs RHP: Fowler CF/Reddick LF/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Heyward RF
vs LHP: Fowler CF/Bryant LF/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Baez 3B/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Szczur RF
Sprinkle in Ross catching Lester, and Javy getting the occasional start against a right hander in place of Zobrist or whenever Russell or Bryant need a breather.
So essentially a Reddick/Javy platoon with Jorge wearing green. And our star free agent hitting eighth. Works for me.
Are you saying Jorge for Reddick? I think that's a bit much for Reddick. Am I nuts on that one?
It might have matched up well if Doolittle were healthy. But he isn't, so yeah, Jorge is probably too much for 3 months of Josh Reddick.
Yeah since Reddick is a rental I'm guessing something more in the Candelario neighborhood. Zagunis might be a guy that makes sense for Oakland.
I think Jorge is going to be in the big package for the unnamed controllable starting pitcher I still think they're going to get somehow.
I honestly have no idea what Jorge's value is.
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2016, 10:03:43 AMQuote from: Eli on July 22, 2016, 09:59:59 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2016, 09:57:12 AMQuote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 09:30:26 AMQuote from: SKO on July 22, 2016, 09:23:34 AMQuote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 09:21:16 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:51:34 AM
Morosi saying on the twitters that the Cubs are asking about Josh Reddick, who has hit .301/.380/.445 in Oakland this year and is warming back up after recovering from a broken bone. Would like that, although would still hope they find a way to play Javy fairly regularly.
More days off for Zobrist? Maybe time off for Heyward too? I don't know how they would do it, but Javy needs to play.
My guess:
vs RHP: Fowler CF/Reddick LF/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Heyward RF
vs LHP: Fowler CF/Bryant LF/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Baez 3B/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Szczur RF
Sprinkle in Ross catching Lester, and Javy getting the occasional start against a right hander in place of Zobrist or whenever Russell or Bryant need a breather.
So essentially a Reddick/Javy platoon with Jorge wearing green. And our star free agent hitting eighth. Works for me.
Are you saying Jorge for Reddick? I think that's a bit much for Reddick. Am I nuts on that one?
It might have matched up well if Doolittle were healthy. But he isn't, so yeah, Jorge is probably too much for 3 months of Josh Reddick.
Yeah since Reddick is a rental I'm guessing something more in the Candelario neighborhood. Zagunis might be a guy that makes sense for Oakland.
I think Jorge is going to be in the big package for the unnamed controllable starting pitcher I still think they're going to get somehow.
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2016, 10:03:43 AMQuote from: Eli on July 22, 2016, 09:59:59 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2016, 09:57:12 AMQuote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 09:30:26 AMQuote from: SKO on July 22, 2016, 09:23:34 AMQuote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 09:21:16 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:51:34 AM
Morosi saying on the twitters that the Cubs are asking about Josh Reddick, who has hit .301/.380/.445 in Oakland this year and is warming back up after recovering from a broken bone. Would like that, although would still hope they find a way to play Javy fairly regularly.
More days off for Zobrist? Maybe time off for Heyward too? I don't know how they would do it, but Javy needs to play.
My guess:
vs RHP: Fowler CF/Reddick LF/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Heyward RF
vs LHP: Fowler CF/Bryant LF/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Baez 3B/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Szczur RF
Sprinkle in Ross catching Lester, and Javy getting the occasional start against a right hander in place of Zobrist or whenever Russell or Bryant need a breather.
So essentially a Reddick/Javy platoon with Jorge wearing green. And our star free agent hitting eighth. Works for me.
Are you saying Jorge for Reddick? I think that's a bit much for Reddick. Am I nuts on that one?
It might have matched up well if Doolittle were healthy. But he isn't, so yeah, Jorge is probably too much for 3 months of Josh Reddick.
Yeah since Reddick is a rental I'm guessing something more in the Candelario neighborhood. Zagunis might be a guy that makes sense for Oakland.
I think Jorge is going to be in the big package for the unnamed controllable starting pitcher I still think they're going to get somehow.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 22, 2016, 10:28:15 AMQuote from: SKO on July 22, 2016, 10:03:43 AMQuote from: Eli on July 22, 2016, 09:59:59 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2016, 09:57:12 AMQuote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 09:30:26 AMQuote from: SKO on July 22, 2016, 09:23:34 AMQuote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 09:21:16 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:51:34 AM
Morosi saying on the twitters that the Cubs are asking about Josh Reddick, who has hit .301/.380/.445 in Oakland this year and is warming back up after recovering from a broken bone. Would like that, although would still hope they find a way to play Javy fairly regularly.
More days off for Zobrist? Maybe time off for Heyward too? I don't know how they would do it, but Javy needs to play.
My guess:
vs RHP: Fowler CF/Reddick LF/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Heyward RF
vs LHP: Fowler CF/Bryant LF/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Baez 3B/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Szczur RF
Sprinkle in Ross catching Lester, and Javy getting the occasional start against a right hander in place of Zobrist or whenever Russell or Bryant need a breather.
So essentially a Reddick/Javy platoon with Jorge wearing green. And our star free agent hitting eighth. Works for me.
Are you saying Jorge for Reddick? I think that's a bit much for Reddick. Am I nuts on that one?
It might have matched up well if Doolittle were healthy. But he isn't, so yeah, Jorge is probably too much for 3 months of Josh Reddick.
Yeah since Reddick is a rental I'm guessing something more in the Candelario neighborhood. Zagunis might be a guy that makes sense for Oakland.
I think Jorge is going to be in the big package for the unnamed controllable starting pitcher I still think they're going to get somehow.
Maybe they do Gray and Reddick a the same time.
Quote from: R-V on July 22, 2016, 10:20:31 AMQuote from: SKO on July 22, 2016, 10:03:43 AMQuote from: Eli on July 22, 2016, 09:59:59 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2016, 09:57:12 AMQuote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 09:30:26 AMQuote from: SKO on July 22, 2016, 09:23:34 AMQuote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 09:21:16 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 11:51:34 AM
Morosi saying on the twitters that the Cubs are asking about Josh Reddick, who has hit .301/.380/.445 in Oakland this year and is warming back up after recovering from a broken bone. Would like that, although would still hope they find a way to play Javy fairly regularly.
More days off for Zobrist? Maybe time off for Heyward too? I don't know how they would do it, but Javy needs to play.
My guess:
vs RHP: Fowler CF/Reddick LF/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Heyward RF
vs LHP: Fowler CF/Bryant LF/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Baez 3B/Zobrist 2B/Russell SS/Szczur RF
Sprinkle in Ross catching Lester, and Javy getting the occasional start against a right hander in place of Zobrist or whenever Russell or Bryant need a breather.
So essentially a Reddick/Javy platoon with Jorge wearing green. And our star free agent hitting eighth. Works for me.
Are you saying Jorge for Reddick? I think that's a bit much for Reddick. Am I nuts on that one?
It might have matched up well if Doolittle were healthy. But he isn't, so yeah, Jorge is probably too much for 3 months of Josh Reddick.
Yeah since Reddick is a rental I'm guessing something more in the Candelario neighborhood. Zagunis might be a guy that makes sense for Oakland.
I think Jorge is going to be in the big package for the unnamed controllable starting pitcher I still think they're going to get somehow.
Quintana.
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 10:28:09 AM
I don't even like Tommy La Stella that much but why in the fucking fuck do they think having Coghlan on the roster instead of him for even a day makes any fucking sense? Christ on a bike this is dumb.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 29, 2016, 11:23:09 AMQuote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 10:28:09 AM
I don't even like Tommy La Stella that much but why in the fucking fuck do they think having Coghlan on the roster instead of him for even a day makes any fucking sense? Christ on a bike this is dumb.
LaStella is decent off the bench. Coghlan is tits on a bull.
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 11:37:21 AMYou guys are a tough crowd. He is a left handed bat who is hitting .295. So he isn't Babe Ruth or Ted Williams. Nonetheless, he seems to be a pretty good choice for inclusion in the line up every so often.Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 29, 2016, 11:23:09 AMQuote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 10:28:09 AM
I don't even like Tommy La Stella that much but why in the fucking fuck do they think having Coghlan on the roster instead of him for even a day makes any fucking sense? Christ on a bike this is dumb.
LaStella is decent off the bench. Coghlan is tits on a bull.
"We need OF depth" then fucking give La Stella an OF glove. If he's not "worst outfielder in the majors" level bad, congrats, he's better than Chris Coghlan! Who has been, and I really can't stress this enough, the worst outfielder in baseball this year.
Quote from: CBStew on July 29, 2016, 12:09:51 PMQuote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 11:37:21 AMYou guys are a tough crowd. He is a left handed bat who is hitting .295. So he isn't Babe Ruth or Ted Williams. Nonetheless, he seems to be a pretty good choice for inclusion in the line up every so often.Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 29, 2016, 11:23:09 AMQuote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 10:28:09 AM
I don't even like Tommy La Stella that much but why in the fucking fuck do they think having Coghlan on the roster instead of him for even a day makes any fucking sense? Christ on a bike this is dumb.
LaStella is decent off the bench. Coghlan is tits on a bull.
"We need OF depth" then fucking give La Stella an OF glove. If he's not "worst outfielder in the majors" level bad, congrats, he's better than Chris Coghlan! Who has been, and I really can't stress this enough, the worst outfielder in baseball this year.
Quote from: CBStew on July 29, 2016, 12:09:51 PMQuote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 11:37:21 AMYou guys are a tough crowd. He is a left handed bat who is hitting .295. So he isn't Babe Ruth or Ted Williams. Nonetheless, he seems to be a pretty good choice for inclusion in the line up every so often.Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 29, 2016, 11:23:09 AMQuote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 10:28:09 AM
I don't even like Tommy La Stella that much but why in the fucking fuck do they think having Coghlan on the roster instead of him for even a day makes any fucking sense? Christ on a bike this is dumb.
LaStella is decent off the bench. Coghlan is tits on a bull.
"We need OF depth" then fucking give La Stella an OF glove. If he's not "worst outfielder in the majors" level bad, congrats, he's better than Chris Coghlan! Who has been, and I really can't stress this enough, the worst outfielder in baseball this year.
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 12:35:21 PMQuote from: CBStew on July 29, 2016, 12:09:51 PMQuote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 11:37:21 AMYou guys are a tough crowd. He is a left handed bat who is hitting .295. So he isn't Babe Ruth or Ted Williams. Nonetheless, he seems to be a pretty good choice for inclusion in the line up every so often.Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 29, 2016, 11:23:09 AMQuote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 10:28:09 AM
I don't even like Tommy La Stella that much but why in the fucking fuck do they think having Coghlan on the roster instead of him for even a day makes any fucking sense? Christ on a bike this is dumb.
LaStella is decent off the bench. Coghlan is tits on a bull.
"We need OF depth" then fucking give La Stella an OF glove. If he's not "worst outfielder in the majors" level bad, congrats, he's better than Chris Coghlan! Who has been, and I really can't stress this enough, the worst outfielder in baseball this year.
I agree on La Stella. That's why I was saying it's dumb to demote La Stella to the minors to make room for Coghlan, who is bad.
Quote from: CBStew on July 29, 2016, 12:09:51 PM
You guys are a tough crowd. He is a left handed batwho is hitting .295. So he isn't Babe Ruth or Ted Williams. Nonetheless, he seems to be apretty goodchoice for inclusion in the line up every so often.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 29, 2016, 01:51:38 PMQuote from: CBStew on July 29, 2016, 12:09:51 PM
You guys are a tough crowd. He is a left handed batwho is hitting .295. So he isn't Babe Ruth or Ted Williams. Nonetheless, he seems to be apretty goodchoice for inclusion in the line up every so often.
Are you talking about Chris Coghlan? He's hitting .155 this year -- .194 for the Cubs. That doesn't include the weak tapper he just hit back to the mound.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 29, 2016, 02:09:37 PMQuote from: ChuckD on July 29, 2016, 01:51:38 PMQuote from: CBStew on July 29, 2016, 12:09:51 PM
You guys are a tough crowd. He is a left handed batwho is hitting .295. So he isn't Babe Ruth or Ted Williams. Nonetheless, he seems to be apretty goodchoice for inclusion in the line up every so often.
Are you talking about Chris Coghlan? He's hitting .155 this year -- .194 for the Cubs. That doesn't include the weak tapper he just hit back to the mound.
What about that two-run single he just dropped into center? La Stella would have fucked that up for sure. #CubForLife
Quote from: ChuckD on July 29, 2016, 02:15:34 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 29, 2016, 02:09:37 PMQuote from: ChuckD on July 29, 2016, 01:51:38 PMQuote from: CBStew on July 29, 2016, 12:09:51 PM
You guys are a tough crowd. He is a left handed batwho is hitting .295. So he isn't Babe Ruth or Ted Williams. Nonetheless, he seems to be apretty goodchoice for inclusion in the line up every so often.
Are you talking about Chris Coghlan? He's hitting .155 this year -- .194 for the Cubs. That doesn't include the weak tapper he just hit back to the mound.
What about that two-run single he just dropped into center? La Stella would have fucked that up for sure. #CubForLife
Cool, he's up to a balmy .158 on the year. All he needs to do is go 26 for his next 26 and he'll be above the league average!
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 02:27:28 PMQuote from: ChuckD on July 29, 2016, 02:15:34 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 29, 2016, 02:09:37 PMQuote from: ChuckD on July 29, 2016, 01:51:38 PMQuote from: CBStew on July 29, 2016, 12:09:51 PM
You guys are a tough crowd. He is a left handed batwho is hitting .295. So he isn't Babe Ruth or Ted Williams. Nonetheless, he seems to be apretty goodchoice for inclusion in the line up every so often.
Are you talking about Chris Coghlan? He's hitting .155 this year -- .194 for the Cubs. That doesn't include the weak tapper he just hit back to the mound.
What about that two-run single he just dropped into center? La Stella would have fucked that up for sure. #CubForLife
Cool, he's up to a balmy .158 on the year. All he needs to do is go 26 for his next 26 and he'll be above the league average!
Far be it from me to defend Sterling but I daresay that was sarcasm on his part.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:47:15 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Quote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Between sending down La Stella in favor of Coghlan, giving Matusz a start because fuck it why not, and using Joel Peralta at all it feels like the Cubs are using the rest of the season for roster tinkering rather than winning which is pretty fucking dumb considering their lead is now longer even remotely close to insurmountable
Quote from: ChuckD on July 31, 2016, 08:28:31 PMQuote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Between sending down La Stella in favor of Coghlan, giving Matusz a start because fuck it why not, and using Joel Peralta at all it feels like the Cubs are using the rest of the season for roster tinkering rather than winning which is pretty fucking dumb considering their lead is now longer even remotely close to insurmountable
Meh, they had to call Matusz up or let him walk. Given that he's a LHP, had good numbers from 2013-15, and was effective in his minor league rehab, it was worth giving him a shot.
Quote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 08:29:27 PMQuote from: ChuckD on July 31, 2016, 08:28:31 PMQuote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Between sending down La Stella in favor of Coghlan, giving Matusz a start because fuck it why not, and using Joel Peralta at all it feels like the Cubs are using the rest of the season for roster tinkering rather than winning which is pretty fucking dumb considering their lead is now longer even remotely close to insurmountable
Meh, they had to call Matusz up or let him walk. Given that he's a LHP, had good numbers from 2013-15, and was effective in his minor league rehab, it was worth giving him a shot.
So stash him in the pen, give him some opportunities as a LOOGY. Starting him was just dumb
Quote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 08:29:27 PMQuote from: ChuckD on July 31, 2016, 08:28:31 PMQuote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Between sending down La Stella in favor of Coghlan, giving Matusz a start because fuck it why not, and using Joel Peralta at all it feels like the Cubs are using the rest of the season for roster tinkering rather than winning which is pretty fucking dumb considering their lead is now longer even remotely close to insurmountable
Meh, they had to call Matusz up or let him walk. Given that he's a LHP, had good numbers from 2013-15, and was effective in his minor league rehab, it was worth giving him a shot.
So stash him in the pen, give him some opportunities as a LOOGY. Starting him was just dumb
Quote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 08:29:27 PMQuote from: ChuckD on July 31, 2016, 08:28:31 PMQuote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Between sending down La Stella in favor of Coghlan, giving Matusz a start because fuck it why not, and using Joel Peralta at all it feels like the Cubs are using the rest of the season for roster tinkering rather than winning which is pretty fucking dumb considering their lead is now longer even remotely close to insurmountable
Meh, they had to call Matusz up or let him walk. Given that he's a LHP, had good numbers from 2013-15, and was effective in his minor league rehab, it was worth giving him a shot.
So stash him in the pen, give him some opportunities as a LOOGY. Starting him was just dumb
Quote from: Wheezer on July 31, 2016, 09:53:02 PMQuote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 08:29:27 PMQuote from: ChuckD on July 31, 2016, 08:28:31 PMQuote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Between sending down La Stella in favor of Coghlan, giving Matusz a start because fuck it why not, and using Joel Peralta at all it feels like the Cubs are using the rest of the season for roster tinkering rather than winning which is pretty fucking dumb considering their lead is now longer even remotely close to insurmountable
Meh, they had to call Matusz up or let him walk. Given that he's a LHP, had good numbers from 2013-15, and was effective in his minor league rehab, it was worth giving him a shot.
So stash him in the pen, give him some opportunities as a LOOGY. Starting him was just dumb
You know, this is krayzee talk, but there is this "showcasing" thing right before the deadline.
P.S. What's Wood doing in LF again? I've been suffering from sudden bursts of being barely able to stay awake.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 10:22:18 PMQuote from: Wheezer on July 31, 2016, 09:53:02 PMQuote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 08:29:27 PMQuote from: ChuckD on July 31, 2016, 08:28:31 PMQuote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Between sending down La Stella in favor of Coghlan, giving Matusz a start because fuck it why not, and using Joel Peralta at all it feels like the Cubs are using the rest of the season for roster tinkering rather than winning which is pretty fucking dumb considering their lead is now longer even remotely close to insurmountable
Meh, they had to call Matusz up or let him walk. Given that he's a LHP, had good numbers from 2013-15, and was effective in his minor league rehab, it was worth giving him a shot.
So stash him in the pen, give him some opportunities as a LOOGY. Starting him was just dumb
You know, this is krayzee talk, but there is this "showcasing" thing right before the deadline.
P.S. What's Wood doing in LF again? I've been suffering from sudden bursts of being barely able to stay awake.
Joe Gonna Joe.
Quote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 11:30:24 PM
Hahahaha that was fucking nuts
Quote from: SKO on August 01, 2016, 07:41:06 AM
I still think the Matusz thing was dumb and that being forced to exhaust the entire pen probably negates the gain from giving the starters an extra day of rest, especially if Hendricks has to throw like 115 pitches or something today, but I think the less we speak of Brian Matusz from here on out the better.
This bullpen is legitimately great now, Heyward is maybe, maybe coming around finally, Jake has looked pretty Jakeish for three straight starts barring one inning against the White Sox. I still don't think Theo will sit tight today, either. Things are looking good.
Quote from: Oleg on August 01, 2016, 08:16:16 AMQuote from: SKO on August 01, 2016, 07:41:06 AM
I still think the Matusz thing was dumb and that being forced to exhaust the entire pen probably negates the gain from giving the starters an extra day of rest, especially if Hendricks has to throw like 115 pitches or something today, but I think the less we speak of Brian Matusz from here on out the better.
This bullpen is legitimately great now, Heyward is maybe, maybe coming around finally, Jake has looked pretty Jakeish for three straight starts barring one inning against the White Sox. I still don't think Theo will sit tight today, either. Things are looking good.
To those of us who weren't farting fire on Twitter with every Cubs loss or misplay, things were always looking pretty good.
Quote from: SKO on August 01, 2016, 08:22:21 AMQuote from: Oleg on August 01, 2016, 08:16:16 AMQuote from: SKO on August 01, 2016, 07:41:06 AM
I still think the Matusz thing was dumb and that being forced to exhaust the entire pen probably negates the gain from giving the starters an extra day of rest, especially if Hendricks has to throw like 115 pitches or something today, but I think the less we speak of Brian Matusz from here on out the better.
This bullpen is legitimately great now, Heyward is maybe, maybe coming around finally, Jake has looked pretty Jakeish for three straight starts barring one inning against the White Sox. I still don't think Theo will sit tight today, either. Things are looking good.
To those of us who weren't farting fire on Twitter with every Cubs loss or misplay, things were always looking pretty good.
To be fair TJ Brown declared the season basically over on this here board like two weeks ago. I was never *that* far gone
Quote from: thehawk on August 01, 2016, 09:34:19 AM
Between the 9th in Miami and that game last night, it appears the old devil magic has moved up North a bit.
Quote from: SKO on August 01, 2016, 09:39:43 AMQuote from: thehawk on August 01, 2016, 09:34:19 AM
Between the 9th in Miami and that game last night, it appears the old devil magic has moved up North a bit.
I was so mad the Cardinals managed to tie that game on a little league homer because arguably the best defensive SS in the NL this year tossed a routine relay throw into the dugout. Then they lost on an equally terrible defensive play of their own, so that was fitting.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 31, 2016, 08:28:31 PMQuote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Between sending down La Stella in favor of Coghlan, giving Matusz a start because fuck it why not, and using Joel Peralta at all it feels like the Cubs are using the rest of the season for roster tinkering rather than winning which is pretty fucking dumb considering their lead is now longer even remotely close to insurmountable
Meh, they had to call Matusz up or let him walk. Given that he's a LHP, had good numbers from 2013-15, and was effective in his minor league rehab, it was worth giving him a shot.
Quote from: SKO on August 01, 2016, 09:39:43 AMQuote from: thehawk on August 01, 2016, 09:34:19 AM
Between the 9th in Miami and that game last night, it appears the old devil magic has moved up North a bit.
I was so mad the Cardinals managed to tie that game on a little league homer because arguably the best defensive SS in the NL this year tossed a routine relay throw into the dugout. Then they lost on an equally terrible defensive play of their own, so that was fitting.
Quote from: R-V on August 01, 2016, 10:02:56 AMQuote from: ChuckD on July 31, 2016, 08:28:31 PMQuote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Between sending down La Stella in favor of Coghlan, giving Matusz a start because fuck it why not, and using Joel Peralta at all it feels like the Cubs are using the rest of the season for roster tinkering rather than winning which is pretty fucking dumb considering their lead is now longer even remotely close to insurmountable
Meh, they had to call Matusz up or let him walk. Given that he's a LHP, had good numbers from 2013-15, and was effective in his minor league rehab, it was worth giving him a shot.
I saw this briefly mentioned on Twitter as well but I'm not entirely clear on this point. When he signed with the Cubs did he have a clause in his contract that he could opt out if they didn't call him up by X date this year? And also, now that he's up, he doesn't have to accept a demotion to Iowa, correct?
Quote from: ChuckD on August 01, 2016, 10:45:02 AMQuote from: R-V on August 01, 2016, 10:02:56 AMQuote from: ChuckD on July 31, 2016, 08:28:31 PMQuote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Between sending down La Stella in favor of Coghlan, giving Matusz a start because fuck it why not, and using Joel Peralta at all it feels like the Cubs are using the rest of the season for roster tinkering rather than winning which is pretty fucking dumb considering their lead is now longer even remotely close to insurmountable
Meh, they had to call Matusz up or let him walk. Given that he's a LHP, had good numbers from 2013-15, and was effective in his minor league rehab, it was worth giving him a shot.
I saw this briefly mentioned on Twitter as well but I'm not entirely clear on this point. When he signed with the Cubs did he have a clause in his contract that he could opt out if they didn't call him up by X date this year? And also, now that he's up, he doesn't have to accept a demotion to Iowa, correct?
Yes, my understanding was he could opt out if he wasn't selected by 8/1. And yes, it appears he's out of options so he would/will need to be DFA'd.
Edit: He's been released.
Quote from: R-V on August 01, 2016, 10:02:56 AM
I saw this briefly mentioned on Twitter as well but I'm not entirely clear on this point.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 08:01:15 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:47:15 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Quote from: morpheus on August 01, 2016, 11:26:01 AM
Brian Matusz. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-cubs-trade-deadline-july-stats-20160801-story.html)
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 02, 2016, 08:09:08 AM
Seriously though, why is Coghlan up and La Stella in Iowa? It just doesn't make any sense. Also, where does Joe Smith fit in? That seems like a strange move. Now Justin Grimm is even more blocked? Then there's Jorge...
I'm just a little weirded out by the roster decisions lately.
Quote from: SKO on August 02, 2016, 08:23:23 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 02, 2016, 08:09:08 AM
Seriously though, why is Coghlan up and La Stella in Iowa? It just doesn't make any sense. Also, where does Joe Smith fit in? That seems like a strange move. Now Justin Grimm is even more blocked? Then there's Jorge...
I'm just a little weirded out by the roster decisions lately.
Coghlan is up and La Stella is in Iowa because they want the outfield "depth" (if you can call rostering the worst outfielder in the majors depth) and La Stella had an option left and they figure they can get by for a month before the rosters expand. I don't agree with it either but there's some logic to it.
Joe Smith has been very good against right handed batters in his career and he gets groundballs 60% of the time against right handed batters, so presumably in the middle innings if Joe really needs a groundball from a right handed batter Smith is your ROOGY, while Wood or Montgomery is your LOOGY. My guess is Joe Nathan's probably not long for the world, but maybe they'll decide to do with Grimm what they're doing with Coghlan and just wait for September 1st. Their starters are going 6 or 7 pretty regularly and they have the Strop/Rondon/Chapman trio for save situations so my guess is they don't think there will even be that many opportunities for Smith or Grimm to fuck things up.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 02, 2016, 08:32:00 AMQuote from: SKO on August 02, 2016, 08:23:23 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 02, 2016, 08:09:08 AM
Seriously though, why is Coghlan up and La Stella in Iowa? It just doesn't make any sense. Also, where does Joe Smith fit in? That seems like a strange move. Now Justin Grimm is even more blocked? Then there's Jorge...
I'm just a little weirded out by the roster decisions lately.
Coghlan is up and La Stella is in Iowa because they want the outfield "depth" (if you can call rostering the worst outfielder in the majors depth) and La Stella had an option left and they figure they can get by for a month before the rosters expand. I don't agree with it either but there's some logic to it.
Joe Smith has been very good against right handed batters in his career and he gets groundballs 60% of the time against right handed batters, so presumably in the middle innings if Joe really needs a groundball from a right handed batter Smith is your ROOGY, while Wood or Montgomery is your LOOGY. My guess is Joe Nathan's probably not long for the world, but maybe they'll decide to do with Grimm what they're doing with Coghlan and just wait for September 1st. Their starters are going 6 or 7 pretty regularly and they have the Strop/Rondon/Chapman trio for save situations so my guess is they don't think there will even be that many opportunities for Smith or Grimm to fuck things up.
Is Cahill getting stretched out in Iowa? I'm thinking Joe will want to try giving the starters more of a blow down the stretch as long as it doesn't fuck with them getting home field (and only having to face one of San Francisco/Washington), even with the bullpen suddenly looking like a strength.
But the thing that might make Smith a better pickup than he seems to be on the surface is that sidearm/submarine pitching slot. It's going to be really fucking hard for hitters to adjust to that after seeing Jake a couple times.
Quote from: SKO on August 02, 2016, 08:23:23 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 02, 2016, 08:09:08 AM
Seriously though, why is Coghlan up and La Stella in Iowa? It just doesn't make any sense. Also, where does Joe Smith fit in? That seems like a strange move. Now Justin Grimm is even more blocked? Then there's Jorge...
I'm just a little weirded out by the roster decisions lately.
Coghlan is up and La Stella is in Iowa because they want the outfield "depth" (if you can call rostering the worst outfielder in the majors depth) and La Stella had an option left and they figure they can get by for a month before the rosters expand. I don't agree with it either but there's some logic to it.
Joe Smith has been very good against right handed batters in his career and he gets groundballs 60% of the time against right handed batters, so presumably in the middle innings if Joe really needs a groundball from a right handed batter Smith is your ROOGY, while Wood or Montgomery is your LOOGY. My guess is Joe Nathan's probably not long for the world, but maybe they'll decide to do with Grimm what they're doing with Coghlan and just wait for September 1st. Their starters are going 6 or 7 pretty regularly and they have the Strop/Rondon/Chapman trio for save situations so my guess is they don't think there will even be that many opportunities for Smith or Grimm to fuck things up.
Quote from: SKO on August 02, 2016, 08:42:34 AMIt's a matchup thing and they gave up nothing to get him so it's fine.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 02, 2016, 10:41:08 AM
Another 0 for 4 for Jorge yesterday. :(
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 02, 2016, 03:50:57 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 02, 2016, 10:41:08 AM
Another 0 for 4 for Jorge yesterday. :(
No extra base hits during his rehab either.
Quote from: PANK! on August 02, 2016, 09:56:31 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 02, 2016, 03:50:57 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 02, 2016, 10:41:08 AM
Another 0 for 4 for Jorge yesterday. :(
No extra base hits during his rehab either.
I really don't get fretting over his numbers on a rehab assignment. The guy's proven--under varying degrees of intensity-- that he can hit. He's streaky and right now he's on a bad streak. I say this is perfectly timed for him to start cycling into a groove as he's promoted. Stop fucking worrying about George Sun.
Quote from: SKO on August 02, 2016, 10:16:30 PMQuote from: PANK! on August 02, 2016, 09:56:31 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 02, 2016, 03:50:57 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 02, 2016, 10:41:08 AM
Another 0 for 4 for Jorge yesterday. :(
No extra base hits during his rehab either.
I really don't get fretting over his numbers on a rehab assignment. The guy's proven--under varying degrees of intensity-- that he can hit. He's streaky and right now he's on a bad streak. I say this is perfectly timed for him to start cycling into a groove as he's promoted. Stop fucking worrying about George Sun.
I'm not worried about him but I also don't expect anything from him and he'd only be taking ABs away from Javy anyway so who cares
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 03, 2016, 01:38:58 AM
He needs to heat up to take ALL of Coghlan's AB's away. I think that's something we ALL can get behind.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 03, 2016, 08:02:30 AMSQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 03, 2016, 01:38:58 AM
He needs to heat up to take ALL of Coghlan's AB's away. I think that's something we ALL can get behind.
THI
Quote from: Canadouche on August 03, 2016, 10:53:11 AM
Rumour has it that LaStella is pissed about his demotion, and refusing to report to Iowa.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 03, 2016, 10:57:01 AMQuote from: Canadouche on August 03, 2016, 10:53:11 AM
Rumour has it that LaStella is pissed about his demotion, and refusing to report to Iowa.
Rumor also has it that the Cubs gave him extra time to report because Iowa was on the road and begin a home series today.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 03, 2016, 11:25:19 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 03, 2016, 10:57:01 AMQuote from: Canadouche on August 03, 2016, 10:53:11 AM
Rumour has it that LaStella is pissed about his demotion, and refusing to report to Iowa.
Rumor also has it that the Cubs gave him extra time to report because Iowa was on the road and begin a home series today.
Fact has it that veterans have 3 days to report.
Maybe he and Yasiel Puig are holed up watching romcoms together.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 03, 2016, 04:30:52 PM
Shirtless hug for Matt Szczur for tagging and getting out of a double play threat.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 04, 2016, 05:01:26 PM
What happened to those alternate road greys? The ones that said CUBS on the front in large block letters. Have they even worn them once this year? Those things sure went away quietly.
Off-day fever: catch it.
Quote from: Canadouche on August 04, 2016, 09:57:40 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on August 04, 2016, 05:01:26 PM
What happened to those alternate road greys? The ones that said CUBS on the front in large block letters. Have they even worn them once this year? Those things sure went away quietly.
Off-day fever: catch it.
They officially took them out of the rotation before the start of the season, I'm pretty sure.
I own one; it's my Bryant jersey.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 05, 2016, 08:23:48 AMQuote from: Canadouche on August 04, 2016, 09:57:40 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on August 04, 2016, 05:01:26 PM
What happened to those alternate road greys? The ones that said CUBS on the front in large block letters. Have they even worn them once this year? Those things sure went away quietly.
Off-day fever: catch it.
They officially took them out of the rotation before the start of the season, I'm pretty sure.
I own one; it's my Bryant jersey.
I wouldn't be surprised if they switch up road jerseys again fairly soon. They sell a fuckload of whatever they come up with.
I really liked the red-numbered 4th of July jerseys. I'd positive red numbers on the home whites.
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2016, 09:02:01 AM
So what're the next roster moves? Seems that Coghlan is the one truly expendable player (*knocks on wood*), but who takes his spot--La Stella or Soler, and how does the team fit the other guy on to the roster? Another month-long "DL trip" for Montero? Contreras may have cooled off, but he still manages to contribute at various points on the field and in the batters box and anyway, on balance, the team is simply worse with him in Iowa and Montero on the roster. Miggy ain't gonna get DFA'd, though, so something'll have to be done until September arrives.
Considering they're in Oakland, they could probably add a bat at the expense of a 13th arm (a particularly sensible roll of the dice with their Top 3 starters going), but that only lasts them until Monday.
Thoughts?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 05, 2016, 09:02:55 AMQuote from: PANK! on August 05, 2016, 09:02:01 AM
So what're the next roster moves? Seems that Coghlan is the one truly expendable player (*knocks on wood*), but who takes his spot--La Stella or Soler, and how does the team fit the other guy on to the roster? Another month-long "DL trip" for Montero? Contreras may have cooled off, but he still manages to contribute at various points on the field and in the batters box and anyway, on balance, the team is simply worse with him in Iowa and Montero on the roster. Miggy ain't gonna get DFA'd, though, so something'll have to be done until September arrives.
Considering they're in Oakland, they could probably add a bat at the expense of a 13th arm (a particularly sensible roll of the dice with their Top 3 starters going), but that only lasts them until Monday.
Thoughts?
LaStella has AWOL'd himself out of a job, I'd think.
Quote from: SKO on August 05, 2016, 09:04:04 AMQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 05, 2016, 09:02:55 AMQuote from: PANK! on August 05, 2016, 09:02:01 AM
So what're the next roster moves? Seems that Coghlan is the one truly expendable player (*knocks on wood*), but who takes his spot--La Stella or Soler, and how does the team fit the other guy on to the roster? Another month-long "DL trip" for Montero? Contreras may have cooled off, but he still manages to contribute at various points on the field and in the batters box and anyway, on balance, the team is simply worse with him in Iowa and Montero on the roster. Miggy ain't gonna get DFA'd, though, so something'll have to be done until September arrives.
Considering they're in Oakland, they could probably add a bat at the expense of a 13th arm (a particularly sensible roll of the dice with their Top 3 starters going), but that only lasts them until Monday.
Thoughts?
LaStella has AWOL'd himself out of a job, I'd think.
The Cubs have said they gave him extra time before reporting because he is dealing with a "personal issue". I don't know what that is but it seems probably kind of dickish to just assume he's pouting and went off the reservation, let alone assume that means he's lost his job.
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2016, 09:07:44 AMQuote from: SKO on August 05, 2016, 09:04:04 AMQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 05, 2016, 09:02:55 AMQuote from: PANK! on August 05, 2016, 09:02:01 AM
So what're the next roster moves? Seems that Coghlan is the one truly expendable player (*knocks on wood*), but who takes his spot--La Stella or Soler, and how does the team fit the other guy on to the roster? Another month-long "DL trip" for Montero? Contreras may have cooled off, but he still manages to contribute at various points on the field and in the batters box and anyway, on balance, the team is simply worse with him in Iowa and Montero on the roster. Miggy ain't gonna get DFA'd, though, so something'll have to be done until September arrives.
Considering they're in Oakland, they could probably add a bat at the expense of a 13th arm (a particularly sensible roll of the dice with their Top 3 starters going), but that only lasts them until Monday.
Thoughts?
LaStella has AWOL'd himself out of a job, I'd think.
The Cubs have said they gave him extra time before reporting because he is dealing with a "personal issue". I don't know what that is but it seems probably kind of dickish to just assume he's pouting and went off the reservation, let alone assume that means he's lost his job.
Maddon said he didn't take it well, but that's what you'd expect in that situation regardless of the player. He's got too much incremental value for the Cubs to let him rot. Remember this guy was actually in the starting lineup for the coinflip game last year in Pissburgh. I guess he can't come back this weekend because of the 10-day rule (unless Montero actually up and dies or something) so it's actually moot for this weekend, but I don't think we've seen the last of our Hall of Fame Jimmy Butthole.
Quote from: SKO on August 05, 2016, 09:12:57 AMQuote from: PANK! on August 05, 2016, 09:07:44 AMQuote from: SKO on August 05, 2016, 09:04:04 AMQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 05, 2016, 09:02:55 AMQuote from: PANK! on August 05, 2016, 09:02:01 AM
So what're the next roster moves? Seems that Coghlan is the one truly expendable player (*knocks on wood*), but who takes his spot--La Stella or Soler, and how does the team fit the other guy on to the roster? Another month-long "DL trip" for Montero? Contreras may have cooled off, but he still manages to contribute at various points on the field and in the batters box and anyway, on balance, the team is simply worse with him in Iowa and Montero on the roster. Miggy ain't gonna get DFA'd, though, so something'll have to be done until September arrives.
Considering they're in Oakland, they could probably add a bat at the expense of a 13th arm (a particularly sensible roll of the dice with their Top 3 starters going), but that only lasts them until Monday.
Thoughts?
LaStella has AWOL'd himself out of a job, I'd think.
The Cubs have said they gave him extra time before reporting because he is dealing with a "personal issue". I don't know what that is but it seems probably kind of dickish to just assume he's pouting and went off the reservation, let alone assume that means he's lost his job.
Maddon said he didn't take it well, but that's what you'd expect in that situation regardless of the player. He's got too much incremental value for the Cubs to let him rot. Remember this guy was actually in the starting lineup for the coinflip game last year in Pissburgh. I guess he can't come back this weekend because of the 10-day rule (unless Montero actually up and dies or something) so it's actually moot for this weekend, but I don't think we've seen the last of our Hall of Fame Jimmy Butthole.
Oh agreed. I just wanted to point out that Chuck is being both wrong and an asshole because Chuck
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2016, 09:02:01 AM
So what're the next roster moves? Seems that Coghlan is the one truly expendable player (*knocks on wood*), but who takes his spot--La Stella or Soler, and how does the team fit the other guy on to the roster? Another month-long "DL trip" for Montero? Contreras may have cooled off, but he still manages to contribute at various points on the field and in the batters box and anyway, on balance, the team is simply worse with him in Iowa and Montero on the roster. Miggy ain't gonna get DFA'd, though, so something'll have to be done until September arrives.
Considering they're in Oakland, they could probably add a bat at the expense of a 13th arm (a particularly sensible roll of the dice with their Top 3 starters going), but that only lasts them until Monday.
Thoughts?
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2016, 09:02:01 AM
So what're the next roster moves? Seems that Coghlan is the one truly expendable player (*knocks on wood*), but who takes his spot--La Stella or Soler, and how does the team fit the other guy on to the roster? Another month-long "DL trip" for Montero? Contreras may have cooled off, but he still manages to contribute at various points on the field and in the batters box and anyway, on balance, the team is simply worse with him in Iowa and Montero on the roster. Miggy ain't gonna get DFA'd, though, so something'll have to be done until September arrives.
Considering they're in Oakland, they could probably add a bat at the expense of a 13th arm (a particularly sensible roll of the dice with their Top 3 starters going), but that only lasts them until Monday.
Thoughts?
Quote from: Oleg on August 05, 2016, 09:22:49 AMQuote from: PANK! on August 05, 2016, 09:02:01 AM
So what're the next roster moves? Seems that Coghlan is the one truly expendable player (*knocks on wood*), but who takes his spot--La Stella or Soler, and how does the team fit the other guy on to the roster? Another month-long "DL trip" for Montero? Contreras may have cooled off, but he still manages to contribute at various points on the field and in the batters box and anyway, on balance, the team is simply worse with him in Iowa and Montero on the roster. Miggy ain't gonna get DFA'd, though, so something'll have to be done until September arrives.
Considering they're in Oakland, they could probably add a bat at the expense of a 13th arm (a particularly sensible roll of the dice with their Top 3 starters going), but that only lasts them until Monday.
Thoughts?
Did anyone notice they put Hammel on the bereavement list? That only means being away from the team for three games so perhaps Epstink will use that to stream some pitchers, which would be kind of awesome.
Quote from: SKO on August 05, 2016, 09:51:52 AMQuote from: Oleg on August 05, 2016, 09:22:49 AMQuote from: PANK! on August 05, 2016, 09:02:01 AM
So what're the next roster moves? Seems that Coghlan is the one truly expendable player (*knocks on wood*), but who takes his spot--La Stella or Soler, and how does the team fit the other guy on to the roster? Another month-long "DL trip" for Montero? Contreras may have cooled off, but he still manages to contribute at various points on the field and in the batters box and anyway, on balance, the team is simply worse with him in Iowa and Montero on the roster. Miggy ain't gonna get DFA'd, though, so something'll have to be done until September arrives.
Considering they're in Oakland, they could probably add a bat at the expense of a 13th arm (a particularly sensible roll of the dice with their Top 3 starters going), but that only lasts them until Monday.
Thoughts?
Did anyone notice they put Hammel on the bereavement list? That only means being away from the team for three games so perhaps Epstink will use that to stream some pitchers, which would be kind of awesome.
Bereavement? Sack up and play before Chuck hands you your walking papers, Jason.
Quote from: SKO on August 08, 2016, 07:39:28 AM
Okay if, heaven forbid, Chuck (and other sources) are right about La Stella just flat out refusing to report to Iowa over this demotion I can't say I blame him. Kid has a 128 OPS+ and a .388 OBP and was just demoted to Iowa, where he will make less money, live out of a Des Moines hotel, and take the bus everywhere, and potentially be denied a year of a service time, all so the team can roster Coghlan, who is like La Stella but older and worse at everything. I'd be just as pissed. He got fucked, hard, and it really craps all over the culture of "respect 90, the best players play, keep grinding" etc that had been established. I've just seen a number of people saying he needs to "be a professional" and "be a good teammate" and frankly I think he was doing both of those things and got shit on for it.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 08, 2016, 08:05:30 AMQuote from: SKO on August 08, 2016, 07:39:28 AM
Okay if, heaven forbid, Chuck (and other sources) are right about La Stella just flat out refusing to report to Iowa over this demotion I can't say I blame him. Kid has a 128 OPS+ and a .388 OBP and was just demoted to Iowa, where he will make less money, live out of a Des Moines hotel, and take the bus everywhere, and potentially be denied a year of a service time, all so the team can roster Coghlan, who is like La Stella but older and worse at everything. I'd be just as pissed. He got fucked, hard, and it really craps all over the culture of "respect 90, the best players play, keep grinding" etc that had been established. I've just seen a number of people saying he needs to "be a professional" and "be a good teammate" and frankly I think he was doing both of those things and got shit on for it.
Since the Cubs haven't placed him on any suspended list, I'm guessing any worst-case scenarios aren't playing out here.
Quote from: SKO on August 08, 2016, 08:19:36 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 08, 2016, 08:05:30 AMQuote from: SKO on August 08, 2016, 07:39:28 AM
Okay if, heaven forbid, Chuck (and other sources) are right about La Stella just flat out refusing to report to Iowa over this demotion I can't say I blame him. Kid has a 128 OPS+ and a .388 OBP and was just demoted to Iowa, where he will make less money, live out of a Des Moines hotel, and take the bus everywhere, and potentially be denied a year of a service time, all so the team can roster Coghlan, who is like La Stella but older and worse at everything. I'd be just as pissed. He got fucked, hard, and it really craps all over the culture of "respect 90, the best players play, keep grinding" etc that had been established. I've just seen a number of people saying he needs to "be a professional" and "be a good teammate" and frankly I think he was doing both of those things and got shit on for it.
Since the Cubs haven't placed him on any suspended list, I'm guessing any worst-case scenarios aren't playing out here.
Oh yeah I think Theo and Co are smart enough to know they've dicked him over as a business decision and respect his right to be pissed about it. I just think the people I see on twitter saying he should just "suck it up and report" should probably spend two seconds trying to think how they'd feel if they were Tommy and this happened to them. There's a human element to the game, not just making roster moves like it's OOTP.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 09, 2016, 09:28:44 AM
Looks like Justin Grimm is headed to Iowa tomorrow to accommodate Jason Hammel, which means Chris Coghlan survives again. I don't hate Chris Coghlan at all, but I don't understand how he keeps a spot on the bench over La Stella.
I feel like this is something I may get myself a little overly upset about, the whole fifth outfielder over the utility infielder thing. But it's the AB's that worry me. While Coghlan hasn't been God awful in his Cubs AB's, La Stella's been really good in his. And I don't like losing that even for 30 days or so.
Quote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 09:31:55 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 09, 2016, 09:28:44 AM
Looks like Justin Grimm is headed to Iowa tomorrow to accommodate Jason Hammel, which means Chris Coghlan survives again. I don't hate Chris Coghlan at all, but I don't understand how he keeps a spot on the bench over La Stella.
I feel like this is something I may get myself a little overly upset about, the whole fifth outfielder over the utility infielder thing. But it's the AB's that worry me. While Coghlan hasn't been God awful in his Cubs AB's, La Stella's been really good in his. And I don't like losing that even for 30 days or so.
I don't care about it from a win/loss perspective. Chris Coghlan vs La Stella might not even cost them half a win over the course of the three weeks from now until Tommy can come back. I think estranging La Stella (and also apparently pissing him off over the possibility of delaying his free agency with an undeserved trip to the minors) in order to keep Coghlan really undermines a lot of the culture they claimed they were building. I mean all players should know and understand baseball is a business but this is the most naked abuse of the system the Cubs have perpetrated since they held Bryant down to start last year. At least in Grimm's case they could point to his overall kinda meh numbers even with how good he's been lately, in La Stella's case they just screwed him and he and they both know it.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 09, 2016, 09:35:00 AMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 09:31:55 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 09, 2016, 09:28:44 AM
Looks like Justin Grimm is headed to Iowa tomorrow to accommodate Jason Hammel, which means Chris Coghlan survives again. I don't hate Chris Coghlan at all, but I don't understand how he keeps a spot on the bench over La Stella.
I feel like this is something I may get myself a little overly upset about, the whole fifth outfielder over the utility infielder thing. But it's the AB's that worry me. While Coghlan hasn't been God awful in his Cubs AB's, La Stella's been really good in his. And I don't like losing that even for 30 days or so.
I don't care about it from a win/loss perspective. Chris Coghlan vs La Stella might not even cost them half a win over the course of the three weeks from now until Tommy can come back. I think estranging La Stella (and also apparently pissing him off over the possibility of delaying his free agency with an undeserved trip to the minors) in order to keep Coghlan really undermines a lot of the culture they claimed they were building. I mean all players should know and understand baseball is a business but this is the most naked abuse of the system the Cubs have perpetrated since they held Bryant down to start last year. At least in Grimm's case they could point to his overall kinda meh numbers even with how good he's been lately, in La Stella's case they just screwed him and he and they both know it.
Delaying Tommy La Stella's free agency can't be the reason they sent him down. Right?
Quote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 09:40:24 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 09, 2016, 09:35:00 AMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 09:31:55 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 09, 2016, 09:28:44 AM
Looks like Justin Grimm is headed to Iowa tomorrow to accommodate Jason Hammel, which means Chris Coghlan survives again. I don't hate Chris Coghlan at all, but I don't understand how he keeps a spot on the bench over La Stella.
I feel like this is something I may get myself a little overly upset about, the whole fifth outfielder over the utility infielder thing. But it's the AB's that worry me. While Coghlan hasn't been God awful in his Cubs AB's, La Stella's been really good in his. And I don't like losing that even for 30 days or so.
I don't care about it from a win/loss perspective. Chris Coghlan vs La Stella might not even cost them half a win over the course of the three weeks from now until Tommy can come back. I think estranging La Stella (and also apparently pissing him off over the possibility of delaying his free agency with an undeserved trip to the minors) in order to keep Coghlan really undermines a lot of the culture they claimed they were building. I mean all players should know and understand baseball is a business but this is the most naked abuse of the system the Cubs have perpetrated since they held Bryant down to start last year. At least in Grimm's case they could point to his overall kinda meh numbers even with how good he's been lately, in La Stella's case they just screwed him and he and they both know it.
Delaying Tommy La Stella's free agency can't be the reason they sent him down. Right?
Not the main reason, no, he was sent down because he had an option and no one else they were willing to lose for a month did, but I've seen a couple say that if he's down past 8/16 he doesn't earn a full year of service time for this year. So even if they didn't do it specifically to screw him out of the service year it's a side effect of the demotion and he's understandably pissed about it.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 09, 2016, 09:43:01 AMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 09:40:24 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 09, 2016, 09:35:00 AMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 09:31:55 AMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 09, 2016, 09:28:44 AM
Looks like Justin Grimm is headed to Iowa tomorrow to accommodate Jason Hammel, which means Chris Coghlan survives again. I don't hate Chris Coghlan at all, but I don't understand how he keeps a spot on the bench over La Stella.
I feel like this is something I may get myself a little overly upset about, the whole fifth outfielder over the utility infielder thing. But it's the AB's that worry me. While Coghlan hasn't been God awful in his Cubs AB's, La Stella's been really good in his. And I don't like losing that even for 30 days or so.
I don't care about it from a win/loss perspective. Chris Coghlan vs La Stella might not even cost them half a win over the course of the three weeks from now until Tommy can come back. I think estranging La Stella (and also apparently pissing him off over the possibility of delaying his free agency with an undeserved trip to the minors) in order to keep Coghlan really undermines a lot of the culture they claimed they were building. I mean all players should know and understand baseball is a business but this is the most naked abuse of the system the Cubs have perpetrated since they held Bryant down to start last year. At least in Grimm's case they could point to his overall kinda meh numbers even with how good he's been lately, in La Stella's case they just screwed him and he and they both know it.
Delaying Tommy La Stella's free agency can't be the reason they sent him down. Right?
Not the main reason, no, he was sent down because he had an option and no one else they were willing to lose for a month did, but I've seen a couple say that if he's down past 8/16 he doesn't earn a full year of service time for this year. So even if they didn't do it specifically to screw him out of the service year it's a side effect of the demotion and he's understandably pissed about it.
This is comparable to the Kris Bryant thing, right? This pushed Bryant back a year, meaning it gave the Cubs a year in theory to back up the armored truck to his apartment. But in La Stella's case, this is buying the Cubs a year in theory of delivering him a tattered yellow envelope. It doesn't make sense.
Quote from: Oleg on August 09, 2016, 10:10:52 AM
Before we get our collective panties in a bunch over La Stella losing a year of service time, let's keep in mind this is a player who will be no more than a utility infielder who is already 27 and, even if he doesn't lose a year of service time, won't be a free agent until he's 32. This won't exactly be costing him tens of millions of dollars. Shit, I bet he'll even go through the humiliation of getting DFA'd at some point before he actually hits free agency.
Also, I'm not sure where the wholesome perception of this front office came from but I find that whole narrative to be laughable. This is a baseball team that is trying to win the World Series. Leave the warm and fuzzies at the front door.
They had no issues DFAing EJax, who was apparently universally loved in that clubhouse. They let Bryant "season" for an extra couple of weeks to save themselves a year before he hits free agency (something that truly will cost Bryant a few mil if not more) and it was absolutely the right decision.
This la Stella thing is stupid. The fucker should report to AAA (unless he really does have a family thing, in which case, why are we talking about this?). He can make up some lost revenue when he gets his World Series share.
But, fuck this. It's stupid.
Quote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 11:08:03 AMQuote from: Oleg on August 09, 2016, 10:10:52 AM
Before we get our collective panties in a bunch over La Stella losing a year of service time, let's keep in mind this is a player who will be no more than a utility infielder who is already 27 and, even if he doesn't lose a year of service time, won't be a free agent until he's 32. This won't exactly be costing him tens of millions of dollars. Shit, I bet he'll even go through the humiliation of getting DFA'd at some point before he actually hits free agency.
Also, I'm not sure where the wholesome perception of this front office came from but I find that whole narrative to be laughable. This is a baseball team that is trying to win the World Series. Leave the warm and fuzzies at the front door.
They had no issues DFAing EJax, who was apparently universally loved in that clubhouse. They let Bryant "season" for an extra couple of weeks to save themselves a year before he hits free agency (something that truly will cost Bryant a few mil if not more) and it was absolutely the right decision.
This la Stella thing is stupid. The fucker should report to AAA (unless he really does have a family thing, in which case, why are we talking about this?). He can make up some lost revenue when he gets his World Series share.
But, fuck this. It's stupid.
I'm not saying the Cubs were wrong to treat Tommy like this, and I'm not saying they're costing him a big contract by doing so. I'm just saying there is a human element to the game and La Stella has totally non-stupid reasons for being pissed. The guy has a 128 OPS+ and he got sent to the minors to make room for an inferior player. He has a right to be pissed. The Ejax thing is irrelevant because he was bad. All players understand they have to perform, that's why demoting the guy hitting .295 with a .388 OBP for the guy with the 46 OPS+ was a weird message to send.
My point was while I understand the business/logistical reasons for the move I think people forget that these players are people and I think it does send a shitty message that putting the best players out there every day is less important to Theo than keeping inventory. I'm not even saying he's wrong to build/handle a roster that way, he obviously knows what he's doing. I'm just not sure the cost/benefit of keeping Coghlan was worth losing La Stella for a month and also severely disgruntling him and/or Grimm in the process (actually I am sure and the answer is no, fuck Chris Coghlan).
Quote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 01:00:10 PM
DPD, but Brett says that La Stella apparently had a chance to qualify for Super Two status this year (http://www.bleachernation.com/2016/08/09/joe-maddon-speaks-about-the-tommy-la-stella-situation/)and get 4 arbitration years instead of 3 in addition to the year of control thing, so this move undoubtedly cost him some cash, I can understand him being really damn pissed about it.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 09, 2016, 01:15:05 PMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 01:00:10 PM
DPD, but Brett says that La Stella apparently had a chance to qualify for Super Two status this year (http://www.bleachernation.com/2016/08/09/joe-maddon-speaks-about-the-tommy-la-stella-situation/)and get 4 arbitration years instead of 3 in addition to the year of control thing, so this move undoubtedly cost him some cash, I can understand him being really damn pissed about it.
A chance...
If he is optioned for fewer than 20 days, however, that does not wind up costing an option year and he does get service time credit for those days, even though he was off the 25-man roster.
The plan could have been all along to recall him before than and he could have maintained his chance at Super 2 status.
I feel like there might be a lot more to this, but at the onset it starts with the roster decision to demote him to make room for Coghlan, which was pretty dumb. I really hope they resolve this soon.
Also in the article Maddon mentions (through pics of tweets or whatever) that La Stella is hitting, running, working out in New Jersey. I mean, why not just go play in Iowa then?
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 09, 2016, 01:15:05 PMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 01:00:10 PM
DPD, but Brett says that La Stella apparently had a chance to qualify for Super Two status this year (http://www.bleachernation.com/2016/08/09/joe-maddon-speaks-about-the-tommy-la-stella-situation/)and get 4 arbitration years instead of 3 in addition to the year of control thing, so this move undoubtedly cost him some cash, I can understand him being really damn pissed about it.
A chance...
If he is optioned for fewer than 20 days, however, that does not wind up costing an option year and he does get service time credit for those days, even though he was off the 25-man roster.
The plan could have been all along to recall him before than and he could have maintained his chance at Super 2 status.
I feel like there might be a lot more to this, but at the onset it starts with the roster decision to demote him to make room for Coghlan, which was pretty dumb. I really hope they resolve this soon.
Also in the article Maddon mentions (through pics of tweets or whatever) that La Stella is hitting, running, working out in New Jersey. I mean, why not just go play in Iowa then?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 09, 2016, 01:41:13 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 09, 2016, 01:15:05 PMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 01:00:10 PM
DPD, but Brett says that La Stella apparently had a chance to qualify for Super Two status this year (http://www.bleachernation.com/2016/08/09/joe-maddon-speaks-about-the-tommy-la-stella-situation/)and get 4 arbitration years instead of 3 in addition to the year of control thing, so this move undoubtedly cost him some cash, I can understand him being really damn pissed about it.
A chance...
If he is optioned for fewer than 20 days, however, that does not wind up costing an option year and he does get service time credit for those days, even though he was off the 25-man roster.
The plan could have been all along to recall him before than and he could have maintained his chance at Super 2 status.
I feel like there might be a lot more to this, but at the onset it starts with the roster decision to demote him to make room for Coghlan, which was pretty dumb. I really hope they resolve this soon.
Also in the article Maddon mentions (through pics of tweets or whatever) that La Stella is hitting, running, working out in New Jersey. I mean, why not just go play in Iowa then?
I mean, have you been to Iowa?
Quote from: SKO on August 05, 2016, 09:04:04 AMQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 05, 2016, 09:02:55 AMQuote from: PANK! on August 05, 2016, 09:02:01 AM
So what're the next roster moves? Seems that Coghlan is the one truly expendable player (*knocks on wood*), but who takes his spot--La Stella or Soler, and how does the team fit the other guy on to the roster? Another month-long "DL trip" for Montero? Contreras may have cooled off, but he still manages to contribute at various points on the field and in the batters box and anyway, on balance, the team is simply worse with him in Iowa and Montero on the roster. Miggy ain't gonna get DFA'd, though, so something'll have to be done until September arrives.
Considering they're in Oakland, they could probably add a bat at the expense of a 13th arm (a particularly sensible roll of the dice with their Top 3 starters going), but that only lasts them until Monday.
Thoughts?
LaStella has AWOL'd himself out of a job, I'd think.
The Cubs have said they gave him extra time before reporting because he is dealing with a "personal issue". I don't know what that is but it seems probably kind of dickish to just assume he's pouting and went off the reservation, let alone assume that means he's lost his job.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 09, 2016, 01:51:59 PMQuote from: SKO on August 05, 2016, 09:04:04 AMQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 05, 2016, 09:02:55 AMQuote from: PANK! on August 05, 2016, 09:02:01 AM
So what're the next roster moves? Seems that Coghlan is the one truly expendable player (*knocks on wood*), but who takes his spot--La Stella or Soler, and how does the team fit the other guy on to the roster? Another month-long "DL trip" for Montero? Contreras may have cooled off, but he still manages to contribute at various points on the field and in the batters box and anyway, on balance, the team is simply worse with him in Iowa and Montero on the roster. Miggy ain't gonna get DFA'd, though, so something'll have to be done until September arrives.
Considering they're in Oakland, they could probably add a bat at the expense of a 13th arm (a particularly sensible roll of the dice with their Top 3 starters going), but that only lasts them until Monday.
Thoughts?
LaStella has AWOL'd himself out of a job, I'd think.
The Cubs have said they gave him extra time before reporting because he is dealing with a "personal issue". I don't know what that is but it seems probably kind of dickish to just assume he's pouting and went off the reservation, let alone assume that means he's lost his job.
SKOccam's Razor
Quote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 01:44:03 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on August 09, 2016, 01:41:13 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 09, 2016, 01:15:05 PMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 01:00:10 PM
DPD, but Brett says that La Stella apparently had a chance to qualify for Super Two status this year (http://www.bleachernation.com/2016/08/09/joe-maddon-speaks-about-the-tommy-la-stella-situation/)and get 4 arbitration years instead of 3 in addition to the year of control thing, so this move undoubtedly cost him some cash, I can understand him being really damn pissed about it.
A chance...
If he is optioned for fewer than 20 days, however, that does not wind up costing an option year and he does get service time credit for those days, even though he was off the 25-man roster.
The plan could have been all along to recall him before than and he could have maintained his chance at Super 2 status.
I feel like there might be a lot more to this, but at the onset it starts with the roster decision to demote him to make room for Coghlan, which was pretty dumb. I really hope they resolve this soon.
Also in the article Maddon mentions (through pics of tweets or whatever) that La Stella is hitting, running, working out in New Jersey. I mean, why not just go play in Iowa then?
I mean, have you been to Iowa?
Des Moines is quite nice, so f--k you. Also if he's in New Jersey he can be at home with family and do whatever the fuck he wants and not have to ride a bus around to Omaha and eat crappy sandwiches at 2 AM after an extra inning game. Anyway, I don't think it's about his refusal to play minor league ball so much as it is about sending a message to the org that he's pissed.
Quote from: CT III on August 09, 2016, 02:01:12 PMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 01:44:03 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on August 09, 2016, 01:41:13 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 09, 2016, 01:15:05 PMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 01:00:10 PM
DPD, but Brett says that La Stella apparently had a chance to qualify for Super Two status this year (http://www.bleachernation.com/2016/08/09/joe-maddon-speaks-about-the-tommy-la-stella-situation/)and get 4 arbitration years instead of 3 in addition to the year of control thing, so this move undoubtedly cost him some cash, I can understand him being really damn pissed about it.
A chance...
If he is optioned for fewer than 20 days, however, that does not wind up costing an option year and he does get service time credit for those days, even though he was off the 25-man roster.
The plan could have been all along to recall him before than and he could have maintained his chance at Super 2 status.
I feel like there might be a lot more to this, but at the onset it starts with the roster decision to demote him to make room for Coghlan, which was pretty dumb. I really hope they resolve this soon.
Also in the article Maddon mentions (through pics of tweets or whatever) that La Stella is hitting, running, working out in New Jersey. I mean, why not just go play in Iowa then?
I mean, have you been to Iowa?
Des Moines is quite nice, so f--k you. Also if he's in New Jersey he can be at home with family and do whatever the fuck he wants and not have to ride a bus around to Omaha and eat crappy sandwiches at 2 AM after an extra inning game. Anyway, I don't think it's about his refusal to play minor league ball so much as it is about sending a message to the org that he's pissed.
I get being emotional about being sent down, but I'd think after 72 hours he'd realize that between the possibility of waiver deals and injuries, he might not be in AAA for too long, and irregardless he'd still be back in the majors September 1st with a real chance at being on the playoff roster of a World Series contender. So at this point he's guaranteed he loses that service time because the Cubs are not going to let him come back without playing in AAA first (Maddon says as much in his interview).
As for "sending a message" or demanding a trade, this year aside he's a 27 year old bench player with a .699 OPS in 177 MLB games over 3 years who can now add "clubhouse malcontent" to his resume (at least from a organizational perception standpoint).
I hope for his sake that Tommy La Stella is prepared for this to be the end of his baseball career. Because if he doesn't report to Iowa, that's a real possiblity.
Quote from: CT III on August 09, 2016, 02:01:12 PM
I hope for his sake that Tommy La Stella is prepared for this to be the end of his baseball career. Because if he doesn't report to Iowa, that's a real possiblity.
Quote from: Oleg on August 09, 2016, 02:01:32 PM
I'm just going to go ahead and root for Cogs now. He's my new favorite 25th man on the roster.
Quote from: CT III on August 09, 2016, 02:11:48 PMQuote from: Oleg on August 09, 2016, 02:01:32 PM
I'm just going to go ahead and root for Cogs now. He's my new favorite 25th man on the roster.
I understand this sentiment, but I cannot go that far.
Quote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 02:17:55 PM
I'm so shocked y'all needed only the faintest pretext to tolerate Chris Coghlan's bullshit again. This place used to stand for things. Candy asses.
Quote from: Canadouche on August 09, 2016, 02:19:46 PMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 02:17:55 PM
I'm so shocked y'all needed only the faintest pretext to tolerate Chris Coghlan's bullshit again. This place used to stand for things. Candy asses.
You are Desipio's John Lackey.
Don't forget to breathe from your nose.
Quote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 02:06:00 PM
To make it clear I 100% think this is a really fucking stupid thing for La Stella to do, and he way overestimates his leverage (which is basically nonexistent, as you pointed out), I just think it's fair to acknowledge that he got jobbed and his anger was understandable, and that I also think it is hypocritical for people who will defend the Cubs making this move by saying "it's a business" to then chide La Stella for not putting the team first and just doing what he's told. He's part of the business, he can strike, and then eventually Theo will call in the Pinkertons and beat the living hell out of him.
Quote from: BC on August 09, 2016, 02:33:36 PMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 02:06:00 PM
To make it clear I 100% think this is a really fucking stupid thing for La Stella to do, and he way overestimates his leverage (which is basically nonexistent, as you pointed out), I just think it's fair to acknowledge that he got jobbed and his anger was understandable, and that I also think it is hypocritical for people who will defend the Cubs making this move by saying "it's a business" to then chide La Stella for not putting the team first and just doing what he's told. He's part of the business, he can strike, and then eventually Theo will call in the Pinkertons and beat the living hell out of him.
La Stella has no leverage. If he doesn't play, then the Cubs have a flaw (They wouldn't have a left-handed pinch-hitter that could actually hit) but Joe Maddon seems to be creative enough to get around that problem.
I think the Cubs erred in demoting La Stella in favor of Coghlan, but at this point enough is enough. La Stella needs to report, and the sooner the better for everyone involved. And, especially, Tommy La Stella.
Quote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 02:06:00 PM
To make it clear I 100% think this is a really fucking stupid thing for La Stella to do, and he way overestimates his leverage (which is basically nonexistent, as you pointed out), I just think it's fair to acknowledge that he got jobbed and his anger was understandable, and that I also think it is hypocritical for people who will defend the Cubs making this move by saying "it's a business" to then chide La Stella for not putting the team first and just doing what he's told. He's part of the business, he can strike, and then eventually Theo will call in the Pinkertons and beat the living hell out of him.
Quote from: Grandmaster Wang on August 09, 2016, 02:57:47 PM
At this point, I'm kinda thinking the awesome thing to do would be to DFA Coghlan and then very pointedly call up Al Al. Or Jeimer.
Quote from: Oleg on August 09, 2016, 03:01:58 PMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 02:06:00 PM
To make it clear I 100% think this is a really fucking stupid thing for La Stella to do, and he way overestimates his leverage (which is basically nonexistent, as you pointed out), I just think it's fair to acknowledge that he got jobbed and his anger was understandable, and that I also think it is hypocritical for people who will defend the Cubs making this move by saying "it's a business" to then chide La Stella for not putting the team first and just doing what he's told. He's part of the business, he can strike, and then eventually Theo will call in the Pinkertons and beat the living hell out of him.
1. In no way is defending The Cubs in this move anywhere near antithetical to chiding LaStella. LaStella is being incredibly short-sided. He's spiting his face by cutting off his nose.
2. LaStella's beef should be with the CBA not with the Cubs.
3. LaStella very clearly has negative leverage. As long as he's being petulant, The Cubs don't have to do shit. In fact, they don't even have to pay him as long as he doesn't report. In fact, as I see it, The Cubs are being overly accommodating. They could have told him to get bent days ago. I'm pretty sure they can just suspend him as long as he doesn't report and free up a spot on the 40-man.
#TEAMCOGS
Quote from: Oleg on August 09, 2016, 03:01:58 PMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 02:06:00 PM
To make it clear I 100% think this is a really fucking stupid thing for La Stella to do, and he way overestimates his leverage (which is basically nonexistent, as you pointed out), I just think it's fair to acknowledge that he got jobbed and his anger was understandable, and that I also think it is hypocritical for people who will defend the Cubs making this move by saying "it's a business" to then chide La Stella for not putting the team first and just doing what he's told. He's part of the business, he can strike, and then eventually Theo will call in the Pinkertons and beat the living hell out of him.
1. In no way is defending The Cubs in this move anywhere near antithetical to chiding LaStella. LaStella is being incredibly short-sided. He's spiting his face by cutting off his nose.
2. LaStella's beef should be with the CBA not with the Cubs.
3. LaStella very clearly has negative leverage. As long as he's being petulant, The Cubs don't have to do shit. In fact, they don't even have to pay him as long as he doesn't report. In fact, as I see it, The Cubs are being overly accommodating. They could have told him to get bent days ago. I'm pretty sure they can just suspend him as long as he doesn't report and free up a spot on the 40-man.
#TEAMCOGS
Quote from: morpheus on August 09, 2016, 03:07:10 PMQuote from: Oleg on August 09, 2016, 03:01:58 PMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 02:06:00 PM
To make it clear I 100% think this is a really fucking stupid thing for La Stella to do, and he way overestimates his leverage (which is basically nonexistent, as you pointed out), I just think it's fair to acknowledge that he got jobbed and his anger was understandable, and that I also think it is hypocritical for people who will defend the Cubs making this move by saying "it's a business" to then chide La Stella for not putting the team first and just doing what he's told. He's part of the business, he can strike, and then eventually Theo will call in the Pinkertons and beat the living hell out of him.
1. In no way is defending The Cubs in this move anywhere near antithetical to chiding LaStella. LaStella is being incredibly short-sided. He's spiting his face by cutting off his nose.
2. LaStella's beef should be with the CBA not with the Cubs.
3. LaStella very clearly has negative leverage. As long as he's being petulant, The Cubs don't have to do shit. In fact, they don't even have to pay him as long as he doesn't report. In fact, as I see it, The Cubs are being overly accommodating. They could have told him to get bent days ago. I'm pretty sure they can just suspend him as long as he doesn't report and free up a spot on the 40-man.
#TEAMCOGS
Heh.
Quote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 03:15:19 PMQuote from: morpheus on August 09, 2016, 03:07:10 PMQuote from: Oleg on August 09, 2016, 03:01:58 PMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 02:06:00 PM
To make it clear I 100% think this is a really fucking stupid thing for La Stella to do, and he way overestimates his leverage (which is basically nonexistent, as you pointed out), I just think it's fair to acknowledge that he got jobbed and his anger was understandable, and that I also think it is hypocritical for people who will defend the Cubs making this move by saying "it's a business" to then chide La Stella for not putting the team first and just doing what he's told. He's part of the business, he can strike, and then eventually Theo will call in the Pinkertons and beat the living hell out of him.
1. In no way is defending The Cubs in this move anywhere near antithetical to chiding LaStella. LaStella is being incredibly short-sided. He's spiting his face by cutting off his nose.
2. LaStella's beef should be with the CBA not with the Cubs.
3. LaStella very clearly has negative leverage. As long as he's being petulant, The Cubs don't have to do shit. In fact, they don't even have to pay him as long as he doesn't report. In fact, as I see it, The Cubs are being overly accommodating. They could have told him to get bent days ago. I'm pretty sure they can just suspend him as long as he doesn't report and free up a spot on the 40-man.
#TEAMCOGS
Heh.
FACED
Quote from: LaStella's Beef on August 09, 2016, 02:57:47 PM
At this point, I'm kinda thinking the awesome thing to do would be to DFA Coghlan and then very pointedly call up Al Al. Or Jeimer.
Quote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 02:21:05 PMQuote from: Canadouche on August 09, 2016, 02:19:46 PMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 02:17:55 PM
I'm so shocked y'all needed only the faintest pretext to tolerate Chris Coghlan's bullshit again. This place used to stand for things. Candy asses.
You are Desipio's John Lackey.
Don't forget to breathe from your nose.
I AM VERY UPSET ABOUT HOW STARTLINGLY ACCURATE THIS PROBABLY IS
Quote from: Oleg on August 09, 2016, 02:01:32 PMWe will cancel each other out. He isn't Lackey, but I still don't like him.
I'm just going to go ahead and root for Cogs now. He's my new favorite 25th man on the roster.
Quote from: Canadouche on August 09, 2016, 03:34:11 PMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 02:21:05 PMQuote from: Canadouche on August 09, 2016, 02:19:46 PMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 02:17:55 PM
I'm so shocked y'all needed only the faintest pretext to tolerate Chris Coghlan's bullshit again. This place used to stand for things. Candy asses.
You are Desipio's John Lackey.
Don't forget to breathe from your nose.
I AM VERY UPSET ABOUT HOW STARTLINGLY ACCURATE THIS PROBABLY IS
It's ok -- I'm pretty sure I'm the Chris Coghlan.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 09, 2016, 03:53:32 PMQuote from: Canadouche on August 09, 2016, 03:34:11 PMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 02:21:05 PMQuote from: Canadouche on August 09, 2016, 02:19:46 PMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 02:17:55 PM
I'm so shocked y'all needed only the faintest pretext to tolerate Chris Coghlan's bullshit again. This place used to stand for things. Candy asses.
You are Desipio's John Lackey.
Don't forget to breathe from your nose.
I AM VERY UPSET ABOUT HOW STARTLINGLY ACCURATE THIS PROBABLY IS
It's ok -- I'm pretty sure I'm the Chris Coghlan.
I'm the Kyle Schwarber, except I'm righthanded and not good at baseball.
Quote from: Bort on August 09, 2016, 04:52:15 PM
I think there has to be a sane middle where you can think La Stella is being an idiot and also thinking Coghlan can fuck right the hell off anyway. Because it's specious bullshit toleration to think that one guy being a shitwit suddenly makes Cogs not a garbage fire formed into the shape of a replacement level slapdick.
Quote from: Bort on August 09, 2016, 04:52:15 PM
I think there has to be a sane middle where you can think La Stella is being an idiot and also thinking Coghlan can fuck right the hell off anyway. Because it's specious bullshit toleration to think that one guy being a shitwit suddenly makes Cogs not a garbage fire formed into the shape of a replacement level slapdick.
Quote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 06:42:24 PMQuote from: Bort on August 09, 2016, 04:52:15 PM
I think there has to be a sane middle where you can think La Stella is being an idiot and also thinking Coghlan can fuck right the hell off anyway. Because it's specious bullshit toleration to think that one guy being a shitwit suddenly makes Cogs not a garbage fire formed into the shape of a replacement level slapdick.
Replacement level would be nice. Alas Cogs has been well below that this year.
Also apparently La Stella is contemplating retirement and also did so before the season, so he might have some more issues going on emotionally than just being pissed off. This is weird.
Quote from: flannj on August 09, 2016, 02:42:52 PM
(Also, nice to see you here BC)
Quote from: BC on August 09, 2016, 07:47:04 PMQuote from: flannj on August 09, 2016, 02:42:52 PM
(Also, nice to see you here BC)
My last post was three years ago.
So Tommy still has a while to report to Iowa. Or something.
Quote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 04:20:24 PM
Ironically I think Eli is probably Kyle Hendricks.
And Chuck is probably Jon Lester, where "not being wrong about everything all of the time" is his throwing to first base. It seems so simple but he just can't pull it off
Quote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 06:42:24 PMQuote from: Bort on August 09, 2016, 04:52:15 PM
I think there has to be a sane middle where you can think La Stella is being an idiot and also thinking Coghlan can fuck right the hell off anyway. Because it's specious bullshit toleration to think that one guy being a shitwit suddenly makes Cogs not a garbage fire formed into the shape of a replacement level slapdick.
Replacement level would be nice. Alas Cogs has been well below that this year.
Also apparently La Stella is contemplating retirement and also did so before the season, so he might have some more issues going on emotionally than just being pissed off. This is weird.
Quote from: PANK! on August 10, 2016, 07:54:26 AMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 06:42:24 PMQuote from: Bort on August 09, 2016, 04:52:15 PM
I think there has to be a sane middle where you can think La Stella is being an idiot and also thinking Coghlan can fuck right the hell off anyway. Because it's specious bullshit toleration to think that one guy being a shitwit suddenly makes Cogs not a garbage fire formed into the shape of a replacement level slapdick.
Replacement level would be nice. Alas Cogs has been well below that this year.
Also apparently La Stella is contemplating retirement and also did so before the season, so he might have some more issues going on emotionally than just being pissed off. This is weird.
I'd say an unwillingness or inability to see the big picture, understand that it's a business, and that he most certainly would still be guaranteed a roster spot in October tells me that the guy's definitely got some emotional issues.
Quote from: SKO on August 10, 2016, 07:58:25 AMQuote from: PANK! on August 10, 2016, 07:54:26 AMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 06:42:24 PMQuote from: Bort on August 09, 2016, 04:52:15 PM
I think there has to be a sane middle where you can think La Stella is being an idiot and also thinking Coghlan can fuck right the hell off anyway. Because it's specious bullshit toleration to think that one guy being a shitwit suddenly makes Cogs not a garbage fire formed into the shape of a replacement level slapdick.
Replacement level would be nice. Alas Cogs has been well below that this year.
Also apparently La Stella is contemplating retirement and also did so before the season, so he might have some more issues going on emotionally than just being pissed off. This is weird.
I'd say an unwillingness or inability to see the big picture, understand that it's a business, and that he most certainly would still be guaranteed a roster spot in October tells me that the guy's definitely got some emotional issues.
Yeah, reading Jesse's interview he comes off less as petulant and more as a guy who isn't really sure he's cut out to do the 162 games a year grind and was only comfortable doing so with an environment/team as supportive and fun as these Cubs appear to be, and when he was demoted it really seemed to bum him out and make him question all over again if he really wants to keep living the big league-minor league shuffle that comes with life on the roster bubble.
I appreciate that Jed and Theo are far less kneejerk and emotional about it than Cubs fans are. They seem to respect that he's going through real shit and are willing to give him the time he needs to figure it out, but they've also still drawn a line and made it clear that he's going to need to go to Iowa before coming back to the Cubs anyway.
Quote from: PANK! on August 10, 2016, 08:05:11 AMQuote from: SKO on August 10, 2016, 07:58:25 AMQuote from: PANK! on August 10, 2016, 07:54:26 AMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 06:42:24 PMQuote from: Bort on August 09, 2016, 04:52:15 PM
I think there has to be a sane middle where you can think La Stella is being an idiot and also thinking Coghlan can fuck right the hell off anyway. Because it's specious bullshit toleration to think that one guy being a shitwit suddenly makes Cogs not a garbage fire formed into the shape of a replacement level slapdick.
Replacement level would be nice. Alas Cogs has been well below that this year.
Also apparently La Stella is contemplating retirement and also did so before the season, so he might have some more issues going on emotionally than just being pissed off. This is weird.
I'd say an unwillingness or inability to see the big picture, understand that it's a business, and that he most certainly would still be guaranteed a roster spot in October tells me that the guy's definitely got some emotional issues.
Yeah, reading Jesse's interview he comes off less as petulant and more as a guy who isn't really sure he's cut out to do the 162 games a year grind and was only comfortable doing so with an environment/team as supportive and fun as these Cubs appear to be, and when he was demoted it really seemed to bum him out and make him question all over again if he really wants to keep living the big league-minor league shuffle that comes with life on the roster bubble.
I appreciate that Jed and Theo are far less kneejerk and emotional about it than Cubs fans are. They seem to respect that he's going through real shit and are willing to give him the time he needs to figure it out, but they've also still drawn a line and made it clear that he's going to need to go to Iowa before coming back to the Cubs anyway.
But that's also short-sighted and dumb, if true. This would be his last option. Do it one more time, murder the Brooks Raleys of the world in the PCL for 2-3 weeks, and never have to worry about this happening again.
The guy's either got emotional issues or is just not smart. Or both.
Quote from: PANK! on August 10, 2016, 08:05:11 AMQuote from: SKO on August 10, 2016, 07:58:25 AMQuote from: PANK! on August 10, 2016, 07:54:26 AMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 06:42:24 PMQuote from: Bort on August 09, 2016, 04:52:15 PM
I think there has to be a sane middle where you can think La Stella is being an idiot and also thinking Coghlan can fuck right the hell off anyway. Because it's specious bullshit toleration to think that one guy being a shitwit suddenly makes Cogs not a garbage fire formed into the shape of a replacement level slapdick.
Replacement level would be nice. Alas Cogs has been well below that this year.
Also apparently La Stella is contemplating retirement and also did so before the season, so he might have some more issues going on emotionally than just being pissed off. This is weird.
I'd say an unwillingness or inability to see the big picture, understand that it's a business, and that he most certainly would still be guaranteed a roster spot in October tells me that the guy's definitely got some emotional issues.
Yeah, reading Jesse's interview he comes off less as petulant and more as a guy who isn't really sure he's cut out to do the 162 games a year grind and was only comfortable doing so with an environment/team as supportive and fun as these Cubs appear to be, and when he was demoted it really seemed to bum him out and make him question all over again if he really wants to keep living the big league-minor league shuffle that comes with life on the roster bubble.
I appreciate that Jed and Theo are far less kneejerk and emotional about it than Cubs fans are. They seem to respect that he's going through real shit and are willing to give him the time he needs to figure it out, but they've also still drawn a line and made it clear that he's going to need to go to Iowa before coming back to the Cubs anyway.
But that's also short-sighted and dumb, if true. This would be his last option. Do it one more time, murder the Brooks Raleys of the world in the PCL for 2-3 weeks, and never have to worry about this happening again.
The guy's either got emotional issues or is just not smart. Or both.
Quote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 01:44:03 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on August 09, 2016, 01:41:13 PMQuote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 09, 2016, 01:15:05 PMQuote from: SKO on August 09, 2016, 01:00:10 PM
DPD, but Brett says that La Stella apparently had a chance to qualify for Super Two status this year (http://www.bleachernation.com/2016/08/09/joe-maddon-speaks-about-the-tommy-la-stella-situation/)and get 4 arbitration years instead of 3 in addition to the year of control thing, so this move undoubtedly cost him some cash, I can understand him being really damn pissed about it.
A chance...
If he is optioned for fewer than 20 days, however, that does not wind up costing an option year and he does get service time credit for those days, even though he was off the 25-man roster.
The plan could have been all along to recall him before than and he could have maintained his chance at Super 2 status.
I feel like there might be a lot more to this, but at the onset it starts with the roster decision to demote him to make room for Coghlan, which was pretty dumb. I really hope they resolve this soon.
Also in the article Maddon mentions (through pics of tweets or whatever) that La Stella is hitting, running, working out in New Jersey. I mean, why not just go play in Iowa then?
I mean, have you been to Iowa?
Des Moines is quite nice, so f--k you. Also if he's in New Jersey he can be at home with family and do whatever the fuck he wants and not have to ride a bus around to Omaha and eat crappy sandwiches at 2 AM after an extra inning game. Anyway, I don't think it's about his refusal to play minor league ball so much as it is about sending a message to the org that he's pissed.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 13, 2016, 10:15:33 AM
The last time the Cubs had a 14 game lead was September 1929.
Quote from: Bort on August 13, 2016, 02:10:39 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 13, 2016, 10:15:33 AM
The last time the Cubs had a 14 game lead was September 1929.
And look how well that turned out for the country.
Quote from: flannj on August 13, 2016, 07:43:00 PMQuote from: Bort on August 13, 2016, 02:10:39 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 13, 2016, 10:15:33 AM
The last time the Cubs had a 14 game lead was September 1929.
And look how well that turned out for the country.
Well, September 3rd. was a good day.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 13, 2016, 07:54:43 PMQuote from: flannj on August 13, 2016, 07:43:00 PMQuote from: Bort on August 13, 2016, 02:10:39 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 13, 2016, 10:15:33 AM
The last time the Cubs had a 14 game lead was September 1929.
And look how well that turned out for the country.
Well, September 3rd. was a good day.
Happy birthday in advance.
Quote from: flannj on August 13, 2016, 08:09:23 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 13, 2016, 07:54:43 PM
Happy birthday in advance.
Nope. I'm a Gemini.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 13, 2016, 08:36:31 PMQuote from: flannj on August 13, 2016, 08:09:23 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 13, 2016, 07:54:43 PM
Happy birthday in advance.
Nope. I'm a Gemini.
[Adds a name to his Deadpool candidates list between "E-Harmony Guy" and "Harris, Estelle"]
Quote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 07:32:28 AM
It would be nice at times like this if most of the local media was interested in doing anything other than stoking the fires. Rondon was pitching in his first game in 12 days, his velocity was fine, he had no command. Strop is out but expected to be back before season's end. Edwards had his first bad outing of the year. That these things all happened relatively close to each other is not A BULLPEN IN CRISIS DO SOMETHIN THEO!!!!!!!!
It's understandable when fans do it because we're fucking stupid but it only ever gets worse when guys like Jesse Rogers scream it even louder than the fans do
Quote from: Tony on August 15, 2016, 08:55:45 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 07:32:28 AM
It would be nice at times like this if most of the local media was interested in doing anything other than stoking the fires. Rondon was pitching in his first game in 12 days, his velocity was fine, he had no command. Strop is out but expected to be back before season's end. Edwards had his first bad outing of the year. That these things all happened relatively close to each other is not A BULLPEN IN CRISIS DO SOMETHIN THEO!!!!!!!!
It's understandable when fans do it because we're fucking stupid but it only ever gets worse when guys like Jesse Rogers scream it even louder than the fans do
Remember when the bullpen was going to be the best ever a few days ago? Well now that they aren't perfect I guess it's time to start over with 7 new guys. It's the only logical thing to do.
Quote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 08:59:30 AMQuote from: Tony on August 15, 2016, 08:55:45 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 07:32:28 AM
It would be nice at times like this if most of the local media was interested in doing anything other than stoking the fires. Rondon was pitching in his first game in 12 days, his velocity was fine, he had no command. Strop is out but expected to be back before season's end. Edwards had his first bad outing of the year. That these things all happened relatively close to each other is not A BULLPEN IN CRISIS DO SOMETHIN THEO!!!!!!!!
It's understandable when fans do it because we're fucking stupid but it only ever gets worse when guys like Jesse Rogers scream it even louder than the fans do
Remember when the bullpen was going to be the best ever a few days ago? Well now that they aren't perfect I guess it's time to start over with 7 new guys. It's the only logical thing to do.
I mean if the Cubs were the Cardinals, and were battling for a wildcard spot with a half game lead I could understand being majorly concerned that they have a shaky set up man situation, but unless there's any reason to believe Rondon/Strop won't be healthy and ready in October (and as far as I've heard, there's not) then fuck it, who cares. The difference between Edwards/Grimm/Rondon/Chapman for a month and Edwards/Strop/Rondon/Chapman is maybe 2-3 blown saves, at worst, so they might only win 101 games instead of 104. BFD.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 09:26:20 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 08:59:30 AMQuote from: Tony on August 15, 2016, 08:55:45 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 07:32:28 AM
It would be nice at times like this if most of the local media was interested in doing anything other than stoking the fires. Rondon was pitching in his first game in 12 days, his velocity was fine, he had no command. Strop is out but expected to be back before season's end. Edwards had his first bad outing of the year. That these things all happened relatively close to each other is not A BULLPEN IN CRISIS DO SOMETHIN THEO!!!!!!!!
It's understandable when fans do it because we're fucking stupid but it only ever gets worse when guys like Jesse Rogers scream it even louder than the fans do
Remember when the bullpen was going to be the best ever a few days ago? Well now that they aren't perfect I guess it's time to start over with 7 new guys. It's the only logical thing to do.
I mean if the Cubs were the Cardinals, and were battling for a wildcard spot with a half game lead I could understand being majorly concerned that they have a shaky set up man situation, but unless there's any reason to believe Rondon/Strop won't be healthy and ready in October (and as far as I've heard, there's not) then fuck it, who cares. The difference between Edwards/Grimm/Rondon/Chapman for a month and Edwards/Strop/Rondon/Chapman is maybe 2-3 blown saves, at worst, so they might only win 101 games instead of 104. BFD.
Let swee if Jepstink swap out Smith for Papelbon.
Quote from: Shooter on August 15, 2016, 10:06:32 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 09:26:20 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 08:59:30 AMQuote from: Tony on August 15, 2016, 08:55:45 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 07:32:28 AM
It would be nice at times like this if most of the local media was interested in doing anything other than stoking the fires. Rondon was pitching in his first game in 12 days, his velocity was fine, he had no command. Strop is out but expected to be back before season's end. Edwards had his first bad outing of the year. That these things all happened relatively close to each other is not A BULLPEN IN CRISIS DO SOMETHIN THEO!!!!!!!!
It's understandable when fans do it because we're fucking stupid but it only ever gets worse when guys like Jesse Rogers scream it even louder than the fans do
Remember when the bullpen was going to be the best ever a few days ago? Well now that they aren't perfect I guess it's time to start over with 7 new guys. It's the only logical thing to do.
I mean if the Cubs were the Cardinals, and were battling for a wildcard spot with a half game lead I could understand being majorly concerned that they have a shaky set up man situation, but unless there's any reason to believe Rondon/Strop won't be healthy and ready in October (and as far as I've heard, there's not) then fuck it, who cares. The difference between Edwards/Grimm/Rondon/Chapman for a month and Edwards/Strop/Rondon/Chapman is maybe 2-3 blown saves, at worst, so they might only win 101 games instead of 104. BFD.
Let swee if Jepstink swap out Smith for Papelbon.
Sarcasm font?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 09:26:20 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 08:59:30 AMQuote from: Tony on August 15, 2016, 08:55:45 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 07:32:28 AM
It would be nice at times like this if most of the local media was interested in doing anything other than stoking the fires. Rondon was pitching in his first game in 12 days, his velocity was fine, he had no command. Strop is out but expected to be back before season's end. Edwards had his first bad outing of the year. That these things all happened relatively close to each other is not A BULLPEN IN CRISIS DO SOMETHIN THEO!!!!!!!!
It's understandable when fans do it because we're fucking stupid but it only ever gets worse when guys like Jesse Rogers scream it even louder than the fans do
Remember when the bullpen was going to be the best ever a few days ago? Well now that they aren't perfect I guess it's time to start over with 7 new guys. It's the only logical thing to do.
I mean if the Cubs were the Cardinals, and were battling for a wildcard spot with a half game lead I could understand being majorly concerned that they have a shaky set up man situation, but unless there's any reason to believe Rondon/Strop won't be healthy and ready in October (and as far as I've heard, there's not) then fuck it, who cares. The difference between Edwards/Grimm/Rondon/Chapman for a month and Edwards/Strop/Rondon/Chapman is maybe 2-3 blown saves, at worst, so they might only win 101 games instead of 104. BFD.
Let swee if Jepstink swap out Smith for Papelbon.
Quote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 10:48:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 09:26:20 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 08:59:30 AMQuote from: Tony on August 15, 2016, 08:55:45 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 07:32:28 AM
It would be nice at times like this if most of the local media was interested in doing anything other than stoking the fires. Rondon was pitching in his first game in 12 days, his velocity was fine, he had no command. Strop is out but expected to be back before season's end. Edwards had his first bad outing of the year. That these things all happened relatively close to each other is not A BULLPEN IN CRISIS DO SOMETHIN THEO!!!!!!!!
It's understandable when fans do it because we're fucking stupid but it only ever gets worse when guys like Jesse Rogers scream it even louder than the fans do
Remember when the bullpen was going to be the best ever a few days ago? Well now that they aren't perfect I guess it's time to start over with 7 new guys. It's the only logical thing to do.
I mean if the Cubs were the Cardinals, and were battling for a wildcard spot with a half game lead I could understand being majorly concerned that they have a shaky set up man situation, but unless there's any reason to believe Rondon/Strop won't be healthy and ready in October (and as far as I've heard, there's not) then fuck it, who cares. The difference between Edwards/Grimm/Rondon/Chapman for a month and Edwards/Strop/Rondon/Chapman is maybe 2-3 blown saves, at worst, so they might only win 101 games instead of 104. BFD.
Let swee if Jepstink swap out Smith for Papelbon.
With Lackey and Chapman, they're already magnitudes less likable than last year's team, so sure. Might as well add another asshole.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 11:03:14 AMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 10:48:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 09:26:20 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 08:59:30 AMQuote from: Tony on August 15, 2016, 08:55:45 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 07:32:28 AM
It would be nice at times like this if most of the local media was interested in doing anything other than stoking the fires. Rondon was pitching in his first game in 12 days, his velocity was fine, he had no command. Strop is out but expected to be back before season's end. Edwards had his first bad outing of the year. That these things all happened relatively close to each other is not A BULLPEN IN CRISIS DO SOMETHIN THEO!!!!!!!!
It's understandable when fans do it because we're fucking stupid but it only ever gets worse when guys like Jesse Rogers scream it even louder than the fans do
Remember when the bullpen was going to be the best ever a few days ago? Well now that they aren't perfect I guess it's time to start over with 7 new guys. It's the only logical thing to do.
I mean if the Cubs were the Cardinals, and were battling for a wildcard spot with a half game lead I could understand being majorly concerned that they have a shaky set up man situation, but unless there's any reason to believe Rondon/Strop won't be healthy and ready in October (and as far as I've heard, there's not) then fuck it, who cares. The difference between Edwards/Grimm/Rondon/Chapman for a month and Edwards/Strop/Rondon/Chapman is maybe 2-3 blown saves, at worst, so they might only win 101 games instead of 104. BFD.
Let swee if Jepstink swap out Smith for Papelbon.
With Lackey and Chapman, they're already magnitudes less likable than last year's team, so sure. Might as well add another asshole.
There's zero risk. Might as well see if he can pitch the 7th. Smith doesn't seem to be able to keep it in the park.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 11:03:14 AMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 10:48:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 09:26:20 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 08:59:30 AMQuote from: Tony on August 15, 2016, 08:55:45 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 07:32:28 AM
It would be nice at times like this if most of the local media was interested in doing anything other than stoking the fires. Rondon was pitching in his first game in 12 days, his velocity was fine, he had no command. Strop is out but expected to be back before season's end. Edwards had his first bad outing of the year. That these things all happened relatively close to each other is not A BULLPEN IN CRISIS DO SOMETHIN THEO!!!!!!!!
It's understandable when fans do it because we're fucking stupid but it only ever gets worse when guys like Jesse Rogers scream it even louder than the fans do
Remember when the bullpen was going to be the best ever a few days ago? Well now that they aren't perfect I guess it's time to start over with 7 new guys. It's the only logical thing to do.
I mean if the Cubs were the Cardinals, and were battling for a wildcard spot with a half game lead I could understand being majorly concerned that they have a shaky set up man situation, but unless there's any reason to believe Rondon/Strop won't be healthy and ready in October (and as far as I've heard, there's not) then fuck it, who cares. The difference between Edwards/Grimm/Rondon/Chapman for a month and Edwards/Strop/Rondon/Chapman is maybe 2-3 blown saves, at worst, so they might only win 101 games instead of 104. BFD.
Let swee if Jepstink swap out Smith for Papelbon.
With Lackey and Chapman, they're already magnitudes less likable than last year's team, so sure. Might as well add another asshole.
There's zero risk. Might as well see if he can pitch the 7th. Smith doesn't seem to be able to keep it in the park.
Quote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 12:15:42 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 11:03:14 AMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 10:48:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 09:26:20 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 08:59:30 AMQuote from: Tony on August 15, 2016, 08:55:45 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 07:32:28 AM
It would be nice at times like this if most of the local media was interested in doing anything other than stoking the fires. Rondon was pitching in his first game in 12 days, his velocity was fine, he had no command. Strop is out but expected to be back before season's end. Edwards had his first bad outing of the year. That these things all happened relatively close to each other is not A BULLPEN IN CRISIS DO SOMETHIN THEO!!!!!!!!
It's understandable when fans do it because we're fucking stupid but it only ever gets worse when guys like Jesse Rogers scream it even louder than the fans do
Remember when the bullpen was going to be the best ever a few days ago? Well now that they aren't perfect I guess it's time to start over with 7 new guys. It's the only logical thing to do.
I mean if the Cubs were the Cardinals, and were battling for a wildcard spot with a half game lead I could understand being majorly concerned that they have a shaky set up man situation, but unless there's any reason to believe Rondon/Strop won't be healthy and ready in October (and as far as I've heard, there's not) then fuck it, who cares. The difference between Edwards/Grimm/Rondon/Chapman for a month and Edwards/Strop/Rondon/Chapman is maybe 2-3 blown saves, at worst, so they might only win 101 games instead of 104. BFD.
Let swee if Jepstink swap out Smith for Papelbon.
With Lackey and Chapman, they're already magnitudes less likable than last year's team, so sure. Might as well add another asshole.
There's zero risk. Might as well see if he can pitch the 7th. Smith doesn't seem to be able to keep it in the park.
There's always some risk. Even if it's just the opportunity cost in not being able to give other guys (like Edwards) as much of an audition.
Quote from: PANK! on August 15, 2016, 12:19:48 PMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 12:15:42 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 11:03:14 AMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 10:48:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 09:26:20 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 08:59:30 AMQuote from: Tony on August 15, 2016, 08:55:45 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 07:32:28 AM
It would be nice at times like this if most of the local media was interested in doing anything other than stoking the fires. Rondon was pitching in his first game in 12 days, his velocity was fine, he had no command. Strop is out but expected to be back before season's end. Edwards had his first bad outing of the year. That these things all happened relatively close to each other is not A BULLPEN IN CRISIS DO SOMETHIN THEO!!!!!!!!
It's understandable when fans do it because we're fucking stupid but it only ever gets worse when guys like Jesse Rogers scream it even louder than the fans do
Remember when the bullpen was going to be the best ever a few days ago? Well now that they aren't perfect I guess it's time to start over with 7 new guys. It's the only logical thing to do.
I mean if the Cubs were the Cardinals, and were battling for a wildcard spot with a half game lead I could understand being majorly concerned that they have a shaky set up man situation, but unless there's any reason to believe Rondon/Strop won't be healthy and ready in October (and as far as I've heard, there's not) then fuck it, who cares. The difference between Edwards/Grimm/Rondon/Chapman for a month and Edwards/Strop/Rondon/Chapman is maybe 2-3 blown saves, at worst, so they might only win 101 games instead of 104. BFD.
Let swee if Jepstink swap out Smith for Papelbon.
With Lackey and Chapman, they're already magnitudes less likable than last year's team, so sure. Might as well add another asshole.
There's zero risk. Might as well see if he can pitch the 7th. Smith doesn't seem to be able to keep it in the park.
There's always some risk. Even if it's just the opportunity cost in not being able to give other guys (like Edwards) as much of an audition.
Papelbon's done, there's literally no point in giving him a whirl, and that's not even getting into his asshattery, which wouldn't help either. Didn't we just see this movie starring Joe Nathan anyway?
Quote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 12:26:47 PMQuote from: PANK! on August 15, 2016, 12:19:48 PMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 12:15:42 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 11:03:14 AMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 10:48:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 09:26:20 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 08:59:30 AMQuote from: Tony on August 15, 2016, 08:55:45 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 07:32:28 AM
It would be nice at times like this if most of the local media was interested in doing anything other than stoking the fires. Rondon was pitching in his first game in 12 days, his velocity was fine, he had no command. Strop is out but expected to be back before season's end. Edwards had his first bad outing of the year. That these things all happened relatively close to each other is not A BULLPEN IN CRISIS DO SOMETHIN THEO!!!!!!!!
It's understandable when fans do it because we're fucking stupid but it only ever gets worse when guys like Jesse Rogers scream it even louder than the fans do
Remember when the bullpen was going to be the best ever a few days ago? Well now that they aren't perfect I guess it's time to start over with 7 new guys. It's the only logical thing to do.
I mean if the Cubs were the Cardinals, and were battling for a wildcard spot with a half game lead I could understand being majorly concerned that they have a shaky set up man situation, but unless there's any reason to believe Rondon/Strop won't be healthy and ready in October (and as far as I've heard, there's not) then fuck it, who cares. The difference between Edwards/Grimm/Rondon/Chapman for a month and Edwards/Strop/Rondon/Chapman is maybe 2-3 blown saves, at worst, so they might only win 101 games instead of 104. BFD.
Let swee if Jepstink swap out Smith for Papelbon.
With Lackey and Chapman, they're already magnitudes less likable than last year's team, so sure. Might as well add another asshole.
There's zero risk. Might as well see if he can pitch the 7th. Smith doesn't seem to be able to keep it in the park.
There's always some risk. Even if it's just the opportunity cost in not being able to give other guys (like Edwards) as much of an audition.
Papelbon's done, there's literally no point in giving him a whirl, and that's not even getting into his asshattery, which wouldn't help either. Didn't we just see this movie starring Joe Nathan anyway?
I'd like to agree with you but didn't those same scouts say yes to Soriano/Peralta
It's also why they have scouts. They should pretty much know if he's done at this point and can help him. Him pitching in a Cubs uniform for a few weeks won't give them any additional relevant information.
Quote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 12:15:42 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 11:03:14 AMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 10:48:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 09:26:20 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 08:59:30 AMQuote from: Tony on August 15, 2016, 08:55:45 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 07:32:28 AM
It would be nice at times like this if most of the local media was interested in doing anything other than stoking the fires. Rondon was pitching in his first game in 12 days, his velocity was fine, he had no command. Strop is out but expected to be back before season's end. Edwards had his first bad outing of the year. That these things all happened relatively close to each other is not A BULLPEN IN CRISIS DO SOMETHIN THEO!!!!!!!!
It's understandable when fans do it because we're fucking stupid but it only ever gets worse when guys like Jesse Rogers scream it even louder than the fans do
Remember when the bullpen was going to be the best ever a few days ago? Well now that they aren't perfect I guess it's time to start over with 7 new guys. It's the only logical thing to do.
I mean if the Cubs were the Cardinals, and were battling for a wildcard spot with a half game lead I could understand being majorly concerned that they have a shaky set up man situation, but unless there's any reason to believe Rondon/Strop won't be healthy and ready in October (and as far as I've heard, there's not) then fuck it, who cares. The difference between Edwards/Grimm/Rondon/Chapman for a month and Edwards/Strop/Rondon/Chapman is maybe 2-3 blown saves, at worst, so they might only win 101 games instead of 104. BFD.
Let swee if Jepstink swap out Smith for Papelbon.
With Lackey and Chapman, they're already magnitudes less likable than last year's team, so sure. Might as well add another asshole.
There's zero risk. Might as well see if he can pitch the 7th. Smith doesn't seem to be able to keep it in the park.
There's always some risk. Even if it's just the opportunity cost in not being able to give other guys (like Edwards) as much of an audition.
Quote from: Oleg on August 15, 2016, 01:17:13 PMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 12:15:42 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 11:03:14 AMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 10:48:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 09:26:20 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 08:59:30 AMQuote from: Tony on August 15, 2016, 08:55:45 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 07:32:28 AM
It would be nice at times like this if most of the local media was interested in doing anything other than stoking the fires. Rondon was pitching in his first game in 12 days, his velocity was fine, he had no command. Strop is out but expected to be back before season's end. Edwards had his first bad outing of the year. That these things all happened relatively close to each other is not A BULLPEN IN CRISIS DO SOMETHIN THEO!!!!!!!!
It's understandable when fans do it because we're fucking stupid but it only ever gets worse when guys like Jesse Rogers scream it even louder than the fans do
Remember when the bullpen was going to be the best ever a few days ago? Well now that they aren't perfect I guess it's time to start over with 7 new guys. It's the only logical thing to do.
I mean if the Cubs were the Cardinals, and were battling for a wildcard spot with a half game lead I could understand being majorly concerned that they have a shaky set up man situation, but unless there's any reason to believe Rondon/Strop won't be healthy and ready in October (and as far as I've heard, there's not) then fuck it, who cares. The difference between Edwards/Grimm/Rondon/Chapman for a month and Edwards/Strop/Rondon/Chapman is maybe 2-3 blown saves, at worst, so they might only win 101 games instead of 104. BFD.
Let swee if Jepstink swap out Smith for Papelbon.
With Lackey and Chapman, they're already magnitudes less likable than last year's team, so sure. Might as well add another asshole.
There's zero risk. Might as well see if he can pitch the 7th. Smith doesn't seem to be able to keep it in the park.
There's always some risk. Even if it's just the opportunity cost in not being able to give other guys (like Edwards) as much of an audition.
I love the idea of signing a pitcher who threw a hissy fit and asked to be released because he wasn't the closer anymore (I assume this is why) to pitch in a bullpen where he would be the 5th best reliever, if that.
Quote from: CT III on August 15, 2016, 01:27:19 PMQuote from: Oleg on August 15, 2016, 01:17:13 PMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 12:15:42 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 11:03:14 AMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 10:48:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 09:26:20 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 08:59:30 AMQuote from: Tony on August 15, 2016, 08:55:45 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 07:32:28 AM
It would be nice at times like this if most of the local media was interested in doing anything other than stoking the fires. Rondon was pitching in his first game in 12 days, his velocity was fine, he had no command. Strop is out but expected to be back before season's end. Edwards had his first bad outing of the year. That these things all happened relatively close to each other is not A BULLPEN IN CRISIS DO SOMETHIN THEO!!!!!!!!
It's understandable when fans do it because we're fucking stupid but it only ever gets worse when guys like Jesse Rogers scream it even louder than the fans do
Remember when the bullpen was going to be the best ever a few days ago? Well now that they aren't perfect I guess it's time to start over with 7 new guys. It's the only logical thing to do.
I mean if the Cubs were the Cardinals, and were battling for a wildcard spot with a half game lead I could understand being majorly concerned that they have a shaky set up man situation, but unless there's any reason to believe Rondon/Strop won't be healthy and ready in October (and as far as I've heard, there's not) then fuck it, who cares. The difference between Edwards/Grimm/Rondon/Chapman for a month and Edwards/Strop/Rondon/Chapman is maybe 2-3 blown saves, at worst, so they might only win 101 games instead of 104. BFD.
Let swee if Jepstink swap out Smith for Papelbon.
With Lackey and Chapman, they're already magnitudes less likable than last year's team, so sure. Might as well add another asshole.
There's zero risk. Might as well see if he can pitch the 7th. Smith doesn't seem to be able to keep it in the park.
There's always some risk. Even if it's just the opportunity cost in not being able to give other guys (like Edwards) as much of an audition.
I love the idea of signing a pitcher who threw a hissy fit and asked to be released because he wasn't the closer anymore (I assume this is why) to pitch in a bullpen where he would be the 5th best reliever, if that.
They could sign him and then put him on a special assignment in New Jersey pitching BP to Tommy La Stella every day.
Quote from: Canadouche on August 15, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
I would like to think that Smith will work out his issues, and I'm not just saying that because he's close friends with a close friend. I think the Cubs have enough room in the standings to give their guys the chance to work it out.
Quote from: flannj on August 15, 2016, 06:35:41 PMQuote from: Canadouche on August 15, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
I would like to think that Smith will work out his issues, and I'm not just saying that because he's close friends with a close friend. I think the Cubs have enough room in the standings to give their guys the chance to work it out.
But you didn't hesitate to mention it.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 15, 2016, 07:17:11 PMQuote from: flannj on August 15, 2016, 06:35:41 PMQuote from: Canadouche on August 15, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
I would like to think that Smith will work out his issues, and I'm not just saying that because he's close friends with a close friend. I think the Cubs have enough room in the standings to give their guys the chance to work it out.
But you didn't hesitate to mention it.
He got lost on his way to the humblebrag thread. Honest mistake, as my friend's brother's friend's ex-wife's uncle, who met Ron Coomer at a gas station once, always says.
Quote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 11:09:52 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 11:03:14 AMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 10:48:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 15, 2016, 09:26:20 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 08:59:30 AMQuote from: Tony on August 15, 2016, 08:55:45 AMQuote from: SKO on August 15, 2016, 07:32:28 AM
It would be nice at times like this if most of the local media was interested in doing anything other than stoking the fires. Rondon was pitching in his first game in 12 days, his velocity was fine, he had no command. Strop is out but expected to be back before season's end. Edwards had his first bad outing of the year. That these things all happened relatively close to each other is not A BULLPEN IN CRISIS DO SOMETHIN THEO!!!!!!!!
It's understandable when fans do it because we're fucking stupid but it only ever gets worse when guys like Jesse Rogers scream it even louder than the fans do
Remember when the bullpen was going to be the best ever a few days ago? Well now that they aren't perfect I guess it's time to start over with 7 new guys. It's the only logical thing to do.
I mean if the Cubs were the Cardinals, and were battling for a wildcard spot with a half game lead I could understand being majorly concerned that they have a shaky set up man situation, but unless there's any reason to believe Rondon/Strop won't be healthy and ready in October (and as far as I've heard, there's not) then fuck it, who cares. The difference between Edwards/Grimm/Rondon/Chapman for a month and Edwards/Strop/Rondon/Chapman is maybe 2-3 blown saves, at worst, so they might only win 101 games instead of 104. BFD.
Let swee if Jepstink swap out Smith for Papelbon.
With Lackey and Chapman, they're already magnitudes less likable than last year's team, so sure. Might as well add another asshole.
There's zero risk. Might as well see if he can pitch the 7th. Smith doesn't seem to be able to keep it in the park.
Kris Bryant likes his neck the way it is, thank you
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 15, 2016, 07:17:11 PMQuote from: flannj on August 15, 2016, 06:35:41 PMQuote from: Canadouche on August 15, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
I would like to think that Smith will work out his issues, and I'm not just saying that because he's close friends with a close friend. I think the Cubs have enough room in the standings to give their guys the chance to work it out.
But you didn't hesitate to mention it.
He got lost on his way to the humblebrag thread. Honest mistake, as my friend's brother's friend's ex-wife's uncle, who met Ron Coomer at a gas station once, always says.
Quote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 09:34:06 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on August 15, 2016, 07:17:11 PMQuote from: flannj on August 15, 2016, 06:35:41 PMQuote from: Canadouche on August 15, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
I would like to think that Smith will work out his issues, and I'm not just saying that because he's close friends with a close friend. I think the Cubs have enough room in the standings to give their guys the chance to work it out.
But you didn't hesitate to mention it.
He got lost on his way to the humblebrag thread. Honest mistake, as my friend's brother's friend's ex-wife's uncle, who met Ron Coomer at a gas station once, always says.
Where is that thread? I was looking for it yesterday when a kid I used to coach in tennis won an Olympic gold medal.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 15, 2016, 10:13:48 PMDoubles? The Kansas City Barbecue of Tennis?Quote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 09:34:06 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on August 15, 2016, 07:17:11 PMQuote from: flannj on August 15, 2016, 06:35:41 PMQuote from: Canadouche on August 15, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
I would like to think that Smith will work out his issues, and I'm not just saying that because he's close friends with a close friend. I think the Cubs have enough room in the standings to give their guys the chance to work it out.
But you didn't hesitate to mention it.
He got lost on his way to the humblebrag thread. Honest mistake, as my friend's brother's friend's ex-wife's uncle, who met Ron Coomer at a gas station once, always says.
Where is that thread? I was looking for it yesterday when a kid I used to coach in tennis won an Olympic gold medal.
Phht. In doubles.
Seriously, that's pretty cool.
Quote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 09:34:06 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on August 15, 2016, 07:17:11 PMQuote from: flannj on August 15, 2016, 06:35:41 PMQuote from: Canadouche on August 15, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
I would like to think that Smith will work out his issues, and I'm not just saying that because he's close friends with a close friend. I think the Cubs have enough room in the standings to give their guys the chance to work it out.
But you didn't hesitate to mention it.
He got lost on his way to the humblebrag thread. Honest mistake, as my friend's brother's friend's ex-wife's uncle, who met Ron Coomer at a gas station once, always says.
Where is that thread? I was looking for it yesterday when a kid I used to coach in tennis won an Olympic gold medal.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 15, 2016, 10:13:48 PMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 09:34:06 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on August 15, 2016, 07:17:11 PMQuote from: flannj on August 15, 2016, 06:35:41 PMQuote from: Canadouche on August 15, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
I would like to think that Smith will work out his issues, and I'm not just saying that because he's close friends with a close friend. I think the Cubs have enough room in the standings to give their guys the chance to work it out.
But you didn't hesitate to mention it.
He got lost on his way to the humblebrag thread. Honest mistake, as my friend's brother's friend's ex-wife's uncle, who met Ron Coomer at a gas station once, always says.
Where is that thread? I was looking for it yesterday when a kid I used to coach in tennis won an Olympic gold medal.
Phht. In doubles.
Seriously, that's pretty cool.
Quote from: Oleg on August 16, 2016, 09:06:12 AMQuote from: ChuckD on August 15, 2016, 10:13:48 PMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 09:34:06 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on August 15, 2016, 07:17:11 PMQuote from: flannj on August 15, 2016, 06:35:41 PMQuote from: Canadouche on August 15, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
I would like to think that Smith will work out his issues, and I'm not just saying that because he's close friends with a close friend. I think the Cubs have enough room in the standings to give their guys the chance to work it out.
But you didn't hesitate to mention it.
He got lost on his way to the humblebrag thread. Honest mistake, as my friend's brother's friend's ex-wife's uncle, who met Ron Coomer at a gas station once, always says.
Where is that thread? I was looking for it yesterday when a kid I used to coach in tennis won an Olympic gold medal.
Phht. In doubles.
Seriously, that's pretty cool.
Wait. Really? That's incredibly cool, man. Brag away.
Quote from: Eli on August 16, 2016, 10:47:40 AMQuote from: Oleg on August 16, 2016, 09:06:12 AMQuote from: ChuckD on August 15, 2016, 10:13:48 PMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 09:34:06 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on August 15, 2016, 07:17:11 PMQuote from: flannj on August 15, 2016, 06:35:41 PMQuote from: Canadouche on August 15, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
I would like to think that Smith will work out his issues, and I'm not just saying that because he's close friends with a close friend. I think the Cubs have enough room in the standings to give their guys the chance to work it out.
But you didn't hesitate to mention it.
He got lost on his way to the humblebrag thread. Honest mistake, as my friend's brother's friend's ex-wife's uncle, who met Ron Coomer at a gas station once, always says.
Where is that thread? I was looking for it yesterday when a kid I used to coach in tennis won an Olympic gold medal.
Phht. In doubles.
Seriously, that's pretty cool.
Wait. Really? That's incredibly cool, man. Brag away.
It's true (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sock). I was his high-school coach his junior and senior years. I'll admit I wasn't doing a lot of actual coaching of his game (at least not from a technical "this is how you hit a forehand" perspective) since he was mostly beyond my expertise by that point, but I still get a "hey, coach" whenever I run into him, so I'll take it.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 16, 2016, 11:08:02 AMQuote from: Eli on August 16, 2016, 10:47:40 AMQuote from: Oleg on August 16, 2016, 09:06:12 AMQuote from: ChuckD on August 15, 2016, 10:13:48 PMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 09:34:06 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on August 15, 2016, 07:17:11 PMQuote from: flannj on August 15, 2016, 06:35:41 PMQuote from: Canadouche on August 15, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
I would like to think that Smith will work out his issues, and I'm not just saying that because he's close friends with a close friend. I think the Cubs have enough room in the standings to give their guys the chance to work it out.
But you didn't hesitate to mention it.
He got lost on his way to the humblebrag thread. Honest mistake, as my friend's brother's friend's ex-wife's uncle, who met Ron Coomer at a gas station once, always says.
Where is that thread? I was looking for it yesterday when a kid I used to coach in tennis won an Olympic gold medal.
Phht. In doubles.
Seriously, that's pretty cool.
Wait. Really? That's incredibly cool, man. Brag away.
It's true (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sock). I was his high-school coach his junior and senior years. I'll admit I wasn't doing a lot of actual coaching of his game (at least not from a technical "this is how you hit a forehand" perspective) since he was mostly beyond my expertise by that point, but I still get a "hey, coach" whenever I run into him, so I'll take it.
Best fake name ever.
Quote from: Eli on August 16, 2016, 10:47:40 AMQuote from: Oleg on August 16, 2016, 09:06:12 AMQuote from: ChuckD on August 15, 2016, 10:13:48 PMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 09:34:06 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on August 15, 2016, 07:17:11 PMQuote from: flannj on August 15, 2016, 06:35:41 PMQuote from: Canadouche on August 15, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
I would like to think that Smith will work out his issues, and I'm not just saying that because he's close friends with a close friend. I think the Cubs have enough room in the standings to give their guys the chance to work it out.
But you didn't hesitate to mention it.
He got lost on his way to the humblebrag thread. Honest mistake, as my friend's brother's friend's ex-wife's uncle, who met Ron Coomer at a gas station once, always says.
Where is that thread? I was looking for it yesterday when a kid I used to coach in tennis won an Olympic gold medal.
Phht. In doubles.
Seriously, that's pretty cool.
Wait. Really? That's incredibly cool, man. Brag away.
It's true (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sock). I was his high-school coach his junior and senior years. I'll admit I wasn't doing a lot of actual coaching of his game (at least not from a technical "this is how you hit a forehand" perspective) since he was mostly beyond my expertise by that point, but I still get a "hey, coach" whenever I run into him, so I'll take it.
Quote from: Eli on August 16, 2016, 10:47:40 AMQuote from: Oleg on August 16, 2016, 09:06:12 AMQuote from: ChuckD on August 15, 2016, 10:13:48 PMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 09:34:06 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on August 15, 2016, 07:17:11 PMQuote from: flannj on August 15, 2016, 06:35:41 PMQuote from: Canadouche on August 15, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
I would like to think that Smith will work out his issues, and I'm not just saying that because he's close friends with a close friend. I think the Cubs have enough room in the standings to give their guys the chance to work it out.
But you didn't hesitate to mention it.
He got lost on his way to the humblebrag thread. Honest mistake, as my friend's brother's friend's ex-wife's uncle, who met Ron Coomer at a gas station once, always says.
Where is that thread? I was looking for it yesterday when a kid I used to coach in tennis won an Olympic gold medal.
Phht. In doubles.
Seriously, that's pretty cool.
Wait. Really? That's incredibly cool, man. Brag away.
It's true (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sock). I was his high-school coach his junior and senior years. I'll admit I wasn't doing a lot of actual coaching of his game (at least not from a technical "this is how you hit a forehand" perspective) since he was mostly beyond my expertise by that point, but I still get a "hey, coach" whenever I run into him, so I'll take it.
Quote from: Eli on August 16, 2016, 10:47:40 AMQuote from: Oleg on August 16, 2016, 09:06:12 AMQuote from: ChuckD on August 15, 2016, 10:13:48 PMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 09:34:06 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on August 15, 2016, 07:17:11 PMQuote from: flannj on August 15, 2016, 06:35:41 PMQuote from: Canadouche on August 15, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
I would like to think that Smith will work out his issues, and I'm not just saying that because he's close friends with a close friend. I think the Cubs have enough room in the standings to give their guys the chance to work it out.
But you didn't hesitate to mention it.
He got lost on his way to the humblebrag thread. Honest mistake, as my friend's brother's friend's ex-wife's uncle, who met Ron Coomer at a gas station once, always says.
Where is that thread? I was looking for it yesterday when a kid I used to coach in tennis won an Olympic gold medal.
Phht. In doubles.
Seriously, that's pretty cool.
Wait. Really? That's incredibly cool, man. Brag away.
It's true (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sock). I was his high-school coach his junior and senior years. I'll admit I wasn't doing a lot of actual coaching of his game (at least not from a technical "this is how you hit a forehand" perspective) since he was mostly beyond my expertise by that point, but I still get a "hey, coach" whenever I run into him, so I'll take it.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 16, 2016, 01:33:34 PMQuote from: Eli on August 16, 2016, 10:47:40 AMQuote from: Oleg on August 16, 2016, 09:06:12 AMQuote from: ChuckD on August 15, 2016, 10:13:48 PMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 09:34:06 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on August 15, 2016, 07:17:11 PMQuote from: flannj on August 15, 2016, 06:35:41 PMQuote from: Canadouche on August 15, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
I would like to think that Smith will work out his issues, and I'm not just saying that because he's close friends with a close friend. I think the Cubs have enough room in the standings to give their guys the chance to work it out.
But you didn't hesitate to mention it.
He got lost on his way to the humblebrag thread. Honest mistake, as my friend's brother's friend's ex-wife's uncle, who met Ron Coomer at a gas station once, always says.
Where is that thread? I was looking for it yesterday when a kid I used to coach in tennis won an Olympic gold medal.
Phht. In doubles.
Seriously, that's pretty cool.
Wait. Really? That's incredibly cool, man. Brag away.
It's true (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sock). I was his high-school coach his junior and senior years. I'll admit I wasn't doing a lot of actual coaching of his game (at least not from a technical "this is how you hit a forehand" perspective) since he was mostly beyond my expertise by that point, but I still get a "hey, coach" whenever I run into him, so I'll take it.
There are presidents of countries with less thorough Wikipedia articles. It's missing one thing though: a list of his former coaches.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 16, 2016, 02:00:30 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on August 16, 2016, 01:33:34 PMQuote from: Eli on August 16, 2016, 10:47:40 AMQuote from: Oleg on August 16, 2016, 09:06:12 AMQuote from: ChuckD on August 15, 2016, 10:13:48 PMQuote from: Eli on August 15, 2016, 09:34:06 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on August 15, 2016, 07:17:11 PMQuote from: flannj on August 15, 2016, 06:35:41 PMQuote from: Canadouche on August 15, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
I would like to think that Smith will work out his issues, and I'm not just saying that because he's close friends with a close friend. I think the Cubs have enough room in the standings to give their guys the chance to work it out.
But you didn't hesitate to mention it.
He got lost on his way to the humblebrag thread. Honest mistake, as my friend's brother's friend's ex-wife's uncle, who met Ron Coomer at a gas station once, always says.
Where is that thread? I was looking for it yesterday when a kid I used to coach in tennis won an Olympic gold medal.
Phht. In doubles.
Seriously, that's pretty cool.
Wait. Really? That's incredibly cool, man. Brag away.
It's true (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sock). I was his high-school coach his junior and senior years. I'll admit I wasn't doing a lot of actual coaching of his game (at least not from a technical "this is how you hit a forehand" perspective) since he was mostly beyond my expertise by that point, but I still get a "hey, coach" whenever I run into him, so I'll take it.
There are presidents of countries with less thorough Wikipedia articles. It's missing one thing though: a list of his former coaches.
I noticed it mentions that Jim Courier doesn't like his forehand. So the article could be edited to mention that it definitely wasn't Eli Gieryna that taught him how to hit his terrible forehand.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 16, 2016, 02:00:30 PM
I noticed it mentions that Jim Courier doesn't like his forehand. So the article could be edited to mention that it definitely wasn't Eli Gieryna that taught him how to hit his terrible forehand.
QuoteData collected by Hawkeye at the tournament in Indian Wells, Calif., in March provided a comparison of Sock's forehand against two of the most devastating forehands in the modern game. Sock's average forehand speed was 77 miles per hour, the same as Rafael Nadal's and 2 m.p.h. faster than Roger Federer's.
When it came to average revolutions per minute, Sock's forehand came in at 3,337 r.p.m., just behind Nadal's 3,391 and well ahead of Federer's 2,925.
"Jack is the only person who is in Rafa's league as far as the combination of speed and r.p.m.s on the forehand side," said Jim Courier, the former world No. 1 and the current United States Davis Cup captain.
Quote from: Eli on August 16, 2016, 02:12:15 PMQuote from: ChuckD on August 16, 2016, 02:00:30 PM
I noticed it mentions that Jim Courier doesn't like his forehand. So the article could be edited to mention that it definitely wasn't Eli Gieryna that taught him how to hit his terrible forehand.
Weird. I'm not really into the Wiki-editing world, but as far as I know, Courier (and pretty much everyone else) loves his forehand (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/30/sports/tennis/carrying-a-torch-and-a-fiery-forehand.html?_r=0).QuoteData collected by Hawkeye at the tournament in Indian Wells, Calif., in March provided a comparison of Sock's forehand against two of the most devastating forehands in the modern game. Sock's average forehand speed was 77 miles per hour, the same as Rafael Nadal's and 2 m.p.h. faster than Roger Federer's.
When it came to average revolutions per minute, Sock's forehand came in at 3,337 r.p.m., just behind Nadal's 3,391 and well ahead of Federer's 2,925.
"Jack is the only person who is in Rafa's league as far as the combination of speed and r.p.m.s on the forehand side," said Jim Courier, the former world No. 1 and the current United States Davis Cup captain.
QuoteSome commentators have remarked that his technique on the forehand, while quite effective, actually hinders his ability to hit returns well. If Sock has a successful singles career, it will be in spite of, not because of, his technique, according to retired American tennis champion and now commentator Jim Courier.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 21, 2016, 11:16:58 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 10:49:20 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 21, 2016, 10:43:44 AMQuote from: SKO on July 21, 2016, 08:53:38 AM
Theo may also wait and see if Edwards can keep this up before he decides more pen help is needed. Right now Edwards/Montgomery/Strop/Rondon with Wood available as your long man or loogy depending on the situation is a promising group, with Matusz potentially joining them in the near future. Grimm's also been less of a dumpster fire of late and if he's your 5th or 6th option you're probably not in a place where overpaying for Miller is your best bet.
We'll also find out fairly soon if Joe Nathan can serve any purpose for a couple months.
Spoiler: No
Armando Rivero still just hanging around in Iowa, striking everyone out that he doesn't walk.
Quote from: Eli on August 16, 2016, 02:12:15 PMQuote from: ChuckD on August 16, 2016, 02:00:30 PM
I noticed it mentions that Jim Courier doesn't like his forehand. So the article could be edited to mention that it definitely wasn't Eli Gieryna that taught him how to hit his terrible forehand.
Weird. I'm not really into the Wiki-editing world, but as far as I know, Courier (and pretty much everyone else) loves his forehand (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/30/sports/tennis/carrying-a-torch-and-a-fiery-forehand.html?_r=0).QuoteData collected by Hawkeye at the tournament in Indian Wells, Calif., in March provided a comparison of Sock's forehand against two of the most devastating forehands in the modern game. Sock's average forehand speed was 77 miles per hour, the same as Rafael Nadal's and 2 m.p.h. faster than Roger Federer's.
When it came to average revolutions per minute, Sock's forehand came in at 3,337 r.p.m., just behind Nadal's 3,391 and well ahead of Federer's 2,925.
"Jack is the only person who is in Rafa's league as far as the combination of speed and r.p.m.s on the forehand side," said Jim Courier, the former world No. 1 and the current United States Davis Cup captain.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 17, 2016, 08:25:14 PM
Hopefully that means one of us can put Coghlan's name on the Greatest Thread Ever? Please let it be so.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 17, 2016, 03:08:09 PM
TOMMY LA STELLA WATCH 2016
Quote from: Tonker on August 18, 2016, 05:05:19 AM
Assuming for a moment that the Cubs can manage to go 22-21 the rest of the way (and they have 17 games still to come against the Brewers, Reds, Rockies and Padres), the Tards would need to go 35-7 (.833) in their remaining games to win the division. Pissburgh would need to go 37-7 (.841).
Just sayin'.
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2016, 07:32:44 AMQuote from: Tonker on August 18, 2016, 05:05:19 AM
Assuming for a moment that the Cubs can manage to go 22-21 the rest of the way (and they have 17 games still to come against the Brewers, Reds, Rockies and Padres), the Tards would need to go 35-7 (.833) in their remaining games to win the division. Pissburgh would need to go 37-7 (.841).
Just sayin'.
Fangraphs has the Cubs chances of winning the division at 99.8%. Baseball Prospectus has them at 99.9%. I think it's gonna work out.
I do wonder how their % on fangraphs has gone down in the last week. They were at 99.9% going into the series vs the Cardinals up by 12 games, and since then they've increased their lead in the division by half a game and the magic number has only gone down. Not sure how they could be less likely to win the division now than they were then. Not like it matters, I'm just not a math person and would like to know why the formula dinged them ever so slightly for this last week.
Quote from: morpheus on August 18, 2016, 09:10:06 AMQuote from: SKO on August 18, 2016, 07:32:44 AMQuote from: Tonker on August 18, 2016, 05:05:19 AM
Assuming for a moment that the Cubs can manage to go 22-21 the rest of the way (and they have 17 games still to come against the Brewers, Reds, Rockies and Padres), the Tards would need to go 35-7 (.833) in their remaining games to win the division. Pissburgh would need to go 37-7 (.841).
Just sayin'.
Fangraphs has the Cubs chances of winning the division at 99.8%. Baseball Prospectus has them at 99.9%. I think it's gonna work out.
I do wonder how their % on fangraphs has gone down in the last week. They were at 99.9% going into the series vs the Cardinals up by 12 games, and since then they've increased their lead in the division by half a game and the magic number has only gone down. Not sure how they could be less likely to win the division now than they were then. Not like it matters, I'm just not a math person and would like to know why the formula dinged them ever so slightly for this last week.
I assume you're using this (http://www.fangraphs.com/coolstandings.aspx). Looking at historical projections:
On 8/12: Cubs 99.9%, all others showing 0.0% due to rounding.
On 8/18: Cubs 99.8%, Cardinals 0.1%, Pirates 0.1%
Fangraphs is using a monte carlo simulation (I would guess, anyway) that does thousands of runs, simulating each team's performance for the rest of the season. Based on that assumption, it appears to me that both the Cardinals and Pirates have increased their probabilities of winning the division slightly based on their relative performance the past few games. Over their past 4 games the Pirates have gone 4-0 scoring 11,8,4,6 runs respectively. Cardinals 4-0, scoring 8,6,8,8. Cubs have gone 3-1, scoring 4,4,4,6. This probably means that at the margin, the Cardinals and Pirates are projected to score slightly more runs than before, which would up their chances of winning the division ever so slightly.
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2016, 09:11:30 AMHas Nate Silver weighed in yet?Quote from: morpheus on August 18, 2016, 09:10:06 AMQuote from: SKO on August 18, 2016, 07:32:44 AMQuote from: Tonker on August 18, 2016, 05:05:19 AM
Assuming for a moment that the Cubs can manage to go 22-21 the rest of the way (and they have 17 games still to come against the Brewers, Reds, Rockies and Padres), the Tards would need to go 35-7 (.833) in their remaining games to win the division. Pissburgh would need to go 37-7 (.841).
Just sayin'.
Fangraphs has the Cubs chances of winning the division at 99.8%. Baseball Prospectus has them at 99.9%. I think it's gonna work out.
I do wonder how their % on fangraphs has gone down in the last week. They were at 99.9% going into the series vs the Cardinals up by 12 games, and since then they've increased their lead in the division by half a game and the magic number has only gone down. Not sure how they could be less likely to win the division now than they were then. Not like it matters, I'm just not a math person and would like to know why the formula dinged them ever so slightly for this last week.
I assume you're using this (http://www.fangraphs.com/coolstandings.aspx). Looking at historical projections:
On 8/12: Cubs 99.9%, all others showing 0.0% due to rounding.
On 8/18: Cubs 99.8%, Cardinals 0.1%, Pirates 0.1%
Fangraphs is using a monte carlo simulation (I would guess, anyway) that does thousands of runs, simulating each team's performance for the rest of the season. Based on that assumption, it appears to me that both the Cardinals and Pirates have increased their probabilities of winning the division slightly based on their relative performance the past few games. Over their past 4 games the Pirates have gone 4-0 scoring 11,8,4,6 runs respectively. Cardinals 4-0, scoring 8,6,8,8. Cubs have gone 3-1, scoring 4,4,4,6. This probably means that at the margin, the Cardinals and Pirates are projected to score slightly more runs than before, which would up their chances of winning the division ever so slightly.
Well there we go. I learned something today.
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2016, 09:11:30 AMQuote from: morpheus on August 18, 2016, 09:10:06 AMQuote from: SKO on August 18, 2016, 07:32:44 AMQuote from: Tonker on August 18, 2016, 05:05:19 AM
Assuming for a moment that the Cubs can manage to go 22-21 the rest of the way (and they have 17 games still to come against the Brewers, Reds, Rockies and Padres), the Tards would need to go 35-7 (.833) in their remaining games to win the division. Pissburgh would need to go 37-7 (.841).
Just sayin'.
Fangraphs has the Cubs chances of winning the division at 99.8%. Baseball Prospectus has them at 99.9%. I think it's gonna work out.
I do wonder how their % on fangraphs has gone down in the last week. They were at 99.9% going into the series vs the Cardinals up by 12 games, and since then they've increased their lead in the division by half a game and the magic number has only gone down. Not sure how they could be less likely to win the division now than they were then. Not like it matters, I'm just not a math person and would like to know why the formula dinged them ever so slightly for this last week.
I assume you're using this (http://www.fangraphs.com/coolstandings.aspx). Looking at historical projections:
On 8/12: Cubs 99.9%, all others showing 0.0% due to rounding.
On 8/18: Cubs 99.8%, Cardinals 0.1%, Pirates 0.1%
Fangraphs is using a monte carlo simulation (I would guess, anyway) that does thousands of runs, simulating each team's performance for the rest of the season. Based on that assumption, it appears to me that both the Cardinals and Pirates have increased their probabilities of winning the division slightly based on their relative performance the past few games. Over their past 4 games the Pirates have gone 4-0 scoring 11,8,4,6 runs respectively. Cardinals 4-0, scoring 8,6,8,8. Cubs have gone 3-1, scoring 4,4,4,6. This probably means that at the margin, the Cardinals and Pirates are projected to score slightly more runs than before, which would up their chances of winning the division ever so slightly.
Well there we go. I learned something today.
QuoteOne of the more fan-accessible advanced stats are playoff odds [technically postseason probabilities]. Playoff odds range from 0% – 100% telling the fan the probability that a certain team will reach the MLB postseason. These are determined by creating a Monte Carlo simulation which runs the baseball season thousands of times [10,000 times specifically for FanGraphs]. In those simulations, if a team reaches the postseason 5,000 times, then the team is predicted to have a 50% probability for making the postseason. FanGraphs runs these every day, so playoff odds can be collected every day and show the story of a team's season if they are graphed.
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2016, 09:11:30 AMQuote from: morpheus on August 18, 2016, 09:10:06 AMQuote from: SKO on August 18, 2016, 07:32:44 AMQuote from: Tonker on August 18, 2016, 05:05:19 AM
Assuming for a moment that the Cubs can manage to go 22-21 the rest of the way (and they have 17 games still to come against the Brewers, Reds, Rockies and Padres), the Tards would need to go 35-7 (.833) in their remaining games to win the division. Pissburgh would need to go 37-7 (.841).
Just sayin'.
Fangraphs has the Cubs chances of winning the division at 99.8%. Baseball Prospectus has them at 99.9%. I think it's gonna work out.
I do wonder how their % on fangraphs has gone down in the last week. They were at 99.9% going into the series vs the Cardinals up by 12 games, and since then they've increased their lead in the division by half a game and the magic number has only gone down. Not sure how they could be less likely to win the division now than they were then. Not like it matters, I'm just not a math person and would like to know why the formula dinged them ever so slightly for this last week.
I assume you're using this (http://www.fangraphs.com/coolstandings.aspx). Looking at historical projections:
On 8/12: Cubs 99.9%, all others showing 0.0% due to rounding.
On 8/18: Cubs 99.8%, Cardinals 0.1%, Pirates 0.1%
Fangraphs is using a monte carlo simulation (I would guess, anyway) that does thousands of runs, simulating each team's performance for the rest of the season. Based on that assumption, it appears to me that both the Cardinals and Pirates have increased their probabilities of winning the division slightly based on their relative performance the past few games. Over their past 4 games the Pirates have gone 4-0 scoring 11,8,4,6 runs respectively. Cardinals 4-0, scoring 8,6,8,8. Cubs have gone 3-1, scoring 4,4,4,6. This probably means that at the margin, the Cardinals and Pirates are projected to score slightly more runs than before, which would up their chances of winning the division ever so slightly.
Well there we go. I learned something today.
Quote from: CBStew on August 18, 2016, 09:15:45 AMQuote from: SKO on August 18, 2016, 09:11:30 AMHas Nate Silver weighed in yet?Quote from: morpheus on August 18, 2016, 09:10:06 AMQuote from: SKO on August 18, 2016, 07:32:44 AMQuote from: Tonker on August 18, 2016, 05:05:19 AM
Assuming for a moment that the Cubs can manage to go 22-21 the rest of the way (and they have 17 games still to come against the Brewers, Reds, Rockies and Padres), the Tards would need to go 35-7 (.833) in their remaining games to win the division. Pissburgh would need to go 37-7 (.841).
Just sayin'.
Fangraphs has the Cubs chances of winning the division at 99.8%. Baseball Prospectus has them at 99.9%. I think it's gonna work out.
I do wonder how their % on fangraphs has gone down in the last week. They were at 99.9% going into the series vs the Cardinals up by 12 games, and since then they've increased their lead in the division by half a game and the magic number has only gone down. Not sure how they could be less likely to win the division now than they were then. Not like it matters, I'm just not a math person and would like to know why the formula dinged them ever so slightly for this last week.
I assume you're using this (http://www.fangraphs.com/coolstandings.aspx). Looking at historical projections:
On 8/12: Cubs 99.9%, all others showing 0.0% due to rounding.
On 8/18: Cubs 99.8%, Cardinals 0.1%, Pirates 0.1%
Fangraphs is using a monte carlo simulation (I would guess, anyway) that does thousands of runs, simulating each team's performance for the rest of the season. Based on that assumption, it appears to me that both the Cardinals and Pirates have increased their probabilities of winning the division slightly based on their relative performance the past few games. Over their past 4 games the Pirates have gone 4-0 scoring 11,8,4,6 runs respectively. Cardinals 4-0, scoring 8,6,8,8. Cubs have gone 3-1, scoring 4,4,4,6. This probably means that at the margin, the Cardinals and Pirates are projected to score slightly more runs than before, which would up their chances of winning the division ever so slightly.
Well there we go. I learned something today.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 18, 2016, 10:42:19 AM
Magic numbers:
31 for the division.
38 for best overall in NL.
We'd all be shooting population porridge like an army of Peter Norths if we were at this stage in September 1, which is still 2 weeks away.
Quote from: Tony on August 18, 2016, 10:59:33 AM
Speaking of a well rested starting rotation.... what are they going to do with all 5 of these Cy Young contenders come playoff time?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 18, 2016, 10:42:19 AMWe'd all be shooting population porridge like an army of Peter Norths
Quote from: R-V on August 18, 2016, 11:01:29 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 18, 2016, 10:42:19 AMWe'd all be shooting population porridge like an army of Peter Norths
Delete your account
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2016, 11:02:04 AM
If Hammel can keep this up I'd start him over Lackey, but I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Joe tells John he's not in the playoff rotation.
Quote from: R-V on August 18, 2016, 11:01:29 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 18, 2016, 10:42:19 AMWe'd all be shooting population porridge like an army of Peter Norths
Delete your account
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2016, 01:08:13 PMQuote from: R-V on August 18, 2016, 11:01:29 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 18, 2016, 10:42:19 AMWe'd all be shooting population porridge like an army of Peter Norths
Delete your account
That was weird even by Fork standards.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 18, 2016, 04:04:16 PM
WTF's up with all these damn walks? Have they been that wild, umps squeezing them or combo? Cuz I honestly can't remember the last time I saw them give out 10.
Quote from: Yeti on August 18, 2016, 04:41:04 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 18, 2016, 04:04:16 PM
WTF's up with all these damn walks? Have they been that wild, umps squeezing them or combo? Cuz I honestly can't remember the last time I saw them give out 10.
2014-07-23 (Lost 8-3)
2012-05-11 (Lost 8-7 in 13 innings)
2011-06-18 (Lost 4-3)
2011-04-22 (Lost 12-2)
2010-09-26 (Lost 8-7)
2010-08-09 (Lost 4-3)
2009-04-29 (Lost 10-0)
2007-08-03 (Lost 6-2)
Quote from: ChuckD on August 18, 2016, 04:53:55 PMQuote from: Yeti on August 18, 2016, 04:41:04 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 18, 2016, 04:04:16 PM
WTF's up with all these damn walks? Have they been that wild, umps squeezing them or combo? Cuz I honestly can't remember the last time I saw them give out 10.
2014-07-23 (Lost 8-3)
2012-05-11 (Lost 8-7 in 13 innings)
2011-06-18 (Lost 4-3)
2011-04-22 (Lost 12-2)
2010-09-26 (Lost 8-7)
2010-08-09 (Lost 4-3)
2009-04-29 (Lost 10-0)
2007-08-03 (Lost 6-2)
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 18, 2016, 04:04:16 PM
WTF's up with all these damn walks? Have they been that wild, umps squeezing them or combo? Cuz I honestly can't remember the last time I saw them give out 10.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 19, 2016, 08:35:14 AMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 18, 2016, 04:04:16 PM
WTF's up with all these damn walks? Have they been that wild, umps squeezing them or combo? Cuz I honestly can't remember the last time I saw them give out 10.
Radio speculation this AM that it's a Contreras-behind-the-plate thing.
Quote from: SKO on August 19, 2016, 08:48:36 AMQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 19, 2016, 08:35:14 AMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 18, 2016, 04:04:16 PM
WTF's up with all these damn walks? Have they been that wild, umps squeezing them or combo? Cuz I honestly can't remember the last time I saw them give out 10.
Radio speculation this AM that it's a Contreras-behind-the-plate thing.
Was it Willson's fault when Jake couldn't throw a strike for an entire month before the ASB when Montero was catching him?
Willson had caught 8 games during this team's 18-3 run before yesterday, and the staff had allowed a whopping 2.5 R/G and had allowed 16 walks total (4 of them by Edwards during his meltdown) in those 8 games.
Jake and Maddon both said Willson did a great job and had nothing to do with it, and sure, you expect them to pick up their guy, but really there's zero evidence for this being Willson's fault, especially since control has been an issue for Jake all season long. Why are the people who talk about sports in this town so fucking dumb.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 19, 2016, 09:19:51 AMQuote from: SKO on August 19, 2016, 08:48:36 AMQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 19, 2016, 08:35:14 AMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 18, 2016, 04:04:16 PM
WTF's up with all these damn walks? Have they been that wild, umps squeezing them or combo? Cuz I honestly can't remember the last time I saw them give out 10.
Radio speculation this AM that it's a Contreras-behind-the-plate thing.
Was it Willson's fault when Jake couldn't throw a strike for an entire month before the ASB when Montero was catching him?
Willson had caught 8 games during this team's 18-3 run before yesterday, and the staff had allowed a whopping 2.5 R/G and had allowed 16 walks total (4 of them by Edwards during his meltdown) in those 8 games.
Jake and Maddon both said Willson did a great job and had nothing to do with it, and sure, you expect them to pick up their guy, but really there's zero evidence for this being Willson's fault, especially since control has been an issue for Jake all season long. Why are the people who talk about sports in this town so fucking dumb.
Contreras has been about average as far as framing goes. Maldonado is a pretty good framer (about on par with Montero/Ross), so the rustled jimmies may have been due to watching the contrast between Maldonado picking up a call here and there (which he did/was) and Contreras just ... not.
The Cubs were getting squeezed a bit yesterday. I counted about 6 out of 13 pitches b/w Arrieta and Patton that were taken on the black where the ump called ball. Maldonado got strikes called on all 10 of his. One or two of Willson's were cross-ups/misses (e.g. Willson set up low and Patton's first pitch to Broxton was up) but the majority of them were just squeezes. There wasn't anything really bad in terms of technique, so just chalk it up to statistical noise.
Looking back over the list, really, the only one of those that hurt them directly was the Broxton pitch because it walked in a run.
Quote from: SKO on August 19, 2016, 12:23:02 PM
Lackey and Rondon to the DL (team insists both moves are precautionary) and Rob Zastryzny and Felix Pena recalled up to replace them.
Really hope they aren't lying about Rondon. Zastryzny has underwhelming numbers overall but apparently has good stuff and has really good of late. He'll also be the first starting pitching prospect drafted/signed by the Theo Administration to make a big league appearance.
Quote from: Brownie on August 19, 2016, 12:27:35 PMQuote from: SKO on August 19, 2016, 12:23:02 PM
Lackey and Rondon to the DL (team insists both moves are precautionary) and Rob Zastryzny and Felix Pena recalled up to replace them.
Really hope they aren't lying about Rondon. Zastryzny has underwhelming numbers overall but apparently has good stuff and has really good of late. He'll also be the first starting pitching prospect drafted/signed by the Theo Administration to make a big league appearance.
If something serious is wrong with Rondon, my gut says Papelbon would be in Denver tonight.
Quote from: SKO on August 19, 2016, 12:29:55 PMQuote from: Brownie on August 19, 2016, 12:27:35 PMQuote from: SKO on August 19, 2016, 12:23:02 PM
Lackey and Rondon to the DL (team insists both moves are precautionary) and Rob Zastryzny and Felix Pena recalled up to replace them.
Really hope they aren't lying about Rondon. Zastryzny has underwhelming numbers overall but apparently has good stuff and has really good of late. He'll also be the first starting pitching prospect drafted/signed by the Theo Administration to make a big league appearance.
If something serious is wrong with Rondon, my gut says Papelbon would be in Denver tonight.
I heard the A's and Brewers are in a bidding war for him as they look to add his services for their deep playoff runs.
Quote from: SKO on August 19, 2016, 12:29:55 PMQuote from: Brownie on August 19, 2016, 12:27:35 PMQuote from: SKO on August 19, 2016, 12:23:02 PM
Lackey and Rondon to the DL (team insists both moves are precautionary) and Rob Zastryzny and Felix Pena recalled up to replace them.
Really hope they aren't lying about Rondon. Zastryzny has underwhelming numbers overall but apparently has good stuff and has really good of late. He'll also be the first starting pitching prospect drafted/signed by the Theo Administration to make a big league appearance.
If something serious is wrong with Rondon, my gut says Papelbon would be in Denver tonight.
I heard the A's and Brewers are in a bidding war for him as they look to add his services for their deep playoff runs.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 20, 2016, 12:36:11 PM
After last night's game I'm convinced that the optimal Cubs team has Baez at 3B and Bryant in LF.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 20, 2016, 10:25:57 PM
Huge effort from Montgomery and Cahill to spare having to dig into that bullpen after last night. Cahill's looking pretty good since coming off of the DL. Is that calm and rational enough for you Bort, or do I need to provide stats to back up that opinion or I'm a meatball? Just curious.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 21, 2016, 12:47:58 AMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 20, 2016, 10:25:57 PM
Huge effort from Montgomery and Cahill to spare having to dig into that bullpen after last night. Cahill's looking pretty good since coming off of the DL. Is that calm and rational enough for you Bort, or do I need to provide stats to back up that opinion or I'm a meatball? Just curious.
B u t t h u r t . . . . . .
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 20, 2016, 12:36:11 PM
After last night's game I'm convinced that the optimal Cubs team has Baez at 3B and Bryant in LF.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 21, 2016, 12:19:27 PMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 20, 2016, 12:36:11 PM
After last night's game I'm convinced that the optimal Cubs team has Baez at 3B and Bryant in LF.
You got your wish for today's lineup Cannon. As an added bonus, no Miggy or Heyward. I really hope that Heyward's just having a really shitty yr and turns it around offensively next yr, or even after these days off.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 22, 2016, 11:06:45 PM
I will admit when it comes to baseball I'm your typical meatball in that I love watching offense and basically suffer through the defensive half of our innings. BUT, watching this version of the Cubs it's almost evened up for me. Granted none of us has ever seen as ridiculous a starting staff with this franchise, but it's fun to watch these 5 pick apart and make opposing hitters look stupid most nights.
Quote from: Yeti on August 23, 2016, 06:00:38 AM
Those OBPs sitting at the top of the lineup:
Fowler: .394
Bryant: .390
Rizzo: .399
Zobrist: .385
Russell needs to pick it up with his measly .335
Quote from: SKO on August 23, 2016, 12:20:49 PMQuote from: Yeti on August 23, 2016, 06:00:38 AM
Those OBPs sitting at the top of the lineup:
Fowler: .394
Bryant: .390
Rizzo: .399
Zobrist: .385
Russell needs to pick it up with his measly .335
They have 11 guys likely to be on their postseason roster who all have an OPS+ better than league average (Rizzo/Bryant/Fowler/Zobrist/Russell/Baez/Contreras/Soler/Ross/La Stella/Szczur). The only offensive deadweights on the entire roster are Montero, who has already been benched, Coghlan, who will probably be left off the playoff roster, and Heyward, who at least offers fantastic defense and base running and would make a nice defensive replacement.
It's a damn good roster, I dare say. Easily one of the thirty best in professional baseball.
Quote from: Yeti on August 23, 2016, 12:41:54 PMQuote from: SKO on August 23, 2016, 12:20:49 PMQuote from: Yeti on August 23, 2016, 06:00:38 AM
Those OBPs sitting at the top of the lineup:
Fowler: .394
Bryant: .390
Rizzo: .399
Zobrist: .385
Russell needs to pick it up with his measly .335
They have 11 guys likely to be on their postseason roster who all have an OPS+ better than league average (Rizzo/Bryant/Fowler/Zobrist/Russell/Baez/Contreras/Soler/Ross/La Stella/Szczur). The only offensive deadweights on the entire roster are Montero, who has already been benched, Coghlan, who will probably be left off the playoff roster, and Heyward, who at least offers fantastic defense and base running and would make a nice defensive replacement.
It's a damn good roster, I dare say. Easily one of the thirty best in professional baseball.
Yea, I looked at that this morning, too. I also noticed that all 5 starters have an ERA+ over 100, along with the 5 relievers listed (Rondon, Strop, Grimm, Wood, Cahill) to go with CJ and Aroldis.
Quote from: SKO on August 23, 2016, 01:23:03 PM
Well there you have it. The Cubs are good.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 23, 2016, 01:39:08 PMQuote from: SKO on August 23, 2016, 01:23:03 PM
Well there you have it. The Cubs are good.
You better bring some stats to back a claim like that up.
Quote from: Yeti on August 23, 2016, 12:52:08 PMBut if the Cubs are winning it doesn't matter what the Pirates do, they will at least remain the same distance apart.
Another fun thing:
The Cubs magic number over the Cardinals is 27. They play each other the from September 12th through the 14th in St Louis.
IF, and this is a big if, the Cubs continue their "Last 30" pace of a .733 WP%, and the Cardinals perform slightly below their season WP% of .54, then the Cubs could potentially clinch the division by the last game of that series. That also assumes the Pirates don't surge and pass the Cardinals.
Quote from: CBStew on August 23, 2016, 05:34:09 PMQuote from: Yeti on August 23, 2016, 12:52:08 PMBut if the Cubs are winning it doesn't matter what the Pirates do, they will at least remain the same distance apart.
Another fun thing:
The Cubs magic number over the Cardinals is 27. They play each other the from September 12th through the 14th in St Louis.
IF, and this is a big if, the Cubs continue their "Last 30" pace of a .733 WP%, and the Cardinals perform slightly below their season WP% of .54, then the Cubs could potentially clinch the division by the last game of that series. That also assumes the Pirates don't surge and pass the Cardinals.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 23, 2016, 06:01:32 PMQuote from: CBStew on August 23, 2016, 05:34:09 PMQuote from: Yeti on August 23, 2016, 12:52:08 PMBut if the Cubs are winning it doesn't matter what the Pirates do, they will at least remain the same distance apart.
Another fun thing:
The Cubs magic number over the Cardinals is 27. They play each other the from September 12th through the 14th in St Louis.
IF, and this is a big if, the Cubs continue their "Last 30" pace of a .733 WP%, and the Cardinals perform slightly below their season WP% of .54, then the Cubs could potentially clinch the division by the last game of that series. That also assumes the Pirates don't surge and pass the Cardinals.
The Cubs are 34 games above .500 now. It's looking like 98 wins will clinch home field advantage through the NLCS unless Washington does something insane.
Right now, assuming the Fighting Jepstinks win 50% of their remaining games: 98 - 64
After the next two games at San Diego, they play three @Dodgers before home series against Pittsburgh and SF (4 games).
It'd be nice if they could go 7-5 or thereabout over those games. That'd give them basically a full month where .500 ball gets them a 99-100 win season.
Would allow them to get healthy, rested, and set the rotation and evaluate/showcase some September call up guys.
Quote from: Oleg on August 23, 2016, 09:51:08 PMQuote from: ChuckD on August 23, 2016, 06:01:32 PMQuote from: CBStew on August 23, 2016, 05:34:09 PMQuote from: Yeti on August 23, 2016, 12:52:08 PMBut if the Cubs are winning it doesn't matter what the Pirates do, they will at least remain the same distance apart.
Another fun thing:
The Cubs magic number over the Cardinals is 27. They play each other the from September 12th through the 14th in St Louis.
IF, and this is a big if, the Cubs continue their "Last 30" pace of a .733 WP%, and the Cardinals perform slightly below their season WP% of .54, then the Cubs could potentially clinch the division by the last game of that series. That also assumes the Pirates don't surge and pass the Cardinals.
The Cubs are 34 games above .500 now. It's looking like 98 wins will clinch home field advantage through the NLCS unless Washington does something insane.
Right now, assuming the Fighting Jepstinks win 50% of their remaining games: 98 - 64
After the next two games at San Diego, they play three @Dodgers before home series against Pittsburgh and SF (4 games).
It'd be nice if they could go 7-5 or thereabout over those games. That'd give them basically a full month where .500 ball gets them a 99-100 win season.
Would allow them to get healthy, rested, and set the rotation and evaluate/showcase some September call up guys.
A month of .500 ball would give some around here an ulcer.
Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 07:28:46 AMQuote from: Oleg on August 23, 2016, 09:51:08 PMQuote from: ChuckD on August 23, 2016, 06:01:32 PMQuote from: CBStew on August 23, 2016, 05:34:09 PMQuote from: Yeti on August 23, 2016, 12:52:08 PMBut if the Cubs are winning it doesn't matter what the Pirates do, they will at least remain the same distance apart.
Another fun thing:
The Cubs magic number over the Cardinals is 27. They play each other the from September 12th through the 14th in St Louis.
IF, and this is a big if, the Cubs continue their "Last 30" pace of a .733 WP%, and the Cardinals perform slightly below their season WP% of .54, then the Cubs could potentially clinch the division by the last game of that series. That also assumes the Pirates don't surge and pass the Cardinals.
The Cubs are 34 games above .500 now. It's looking like 98 wins will clinch home field advantage through the NLCS unless Washington does something insane.
Right now, assuming the Fighting Jepstinks win 50% of their remaining games: 98 - 64
After the next two games at San Diego, they play three @Dodgers before home series against Pittsburgh and SF (4 games).
It'd be nice if they could go 7-5 or thereabout over those games. That'd give them basically a full month where .500 ball gets them a 99-100 win season.
Would allow them to get healthy, rested, and set the rotation and evaluate/showcase some September call up guys.
A month of .500 ball would give some around here an ulcer.
I'd be fine with it. September should be pretty much completely stress free regardless and I'd love to see guys like Candelario get an extended chance to boost their trade value.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 24, 2016, 08:10:40 AMQuote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 07:28:46 AMQuote from: Oleg on August 23, 2016, 09:51:08 PMQuote from: ChuckD on August 23, 2016, 06:01:32 PMQuote from: CBStew on August 23, 2016, 05:34:09 PMQuote from: Yeti on August 23, 2016, 12:52:08 PMBut if the Cubs are winning it doesn't matter what the Pirates do, they will at least remain the same distance apart.
Another fun thing:
The Cubs magic number over the Cardinals is 27. They play each other the from September 12th through the 14th in St Louis.
IF, and this is a big if, the Cubs continue their "Last 30" pace of a .733 WP%, and the Cardinals perform slightly below their season WP% of .54, then the Cubs could potentially clinch the division by the last game of that series. That also assumes the Pirates don't surge and pass the Cardinals.
The Cubs are 34 games above .500 now. It's looking like 98 wins will clinch home field advantage through the NLCS unless Washington does something insane.
Right now, assuming the Fighting Jepstinks win 50% of their remaining games: 98 - 64
After the next two games at San Diego, they play three @Dodgers before home series against Pittsburgh and SF (4 games).
It'd be nice if they could go 7-5 or thereabout over those games. That'd give them basically a full month where .500 ball gets them a 99-100 win season.
Would allow them to get healthy, rested, and set the rotation and evaluate/showcase some September call up guys.
A month of .500 ball would give some around here an ulcer.
I'd be fine with it. September should be pretty much completely stress free regardless and I'd love to see guys like Candelario get an extended chance to boost their trade value.
You know he wasn't referring to you there, right? As astonishing as that might be?
Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 08:18:24 AMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 24, 2016, 08:10:40 AMQuote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 07:28:46 AMQuote from: Oleg on August 23, 2016, 09:51:08 PMQuote from: ChuckD on August 23, 2016, 06:01:32 PMQuote from: CBStew on August 23, 2016, 05:34:09 PMQuote from: Yeti on August 23, 2016, 12:52:08 PMBut if the Cubs are winning it doesn't matter what the Pirates do, they will at least remain the same distance apart.
Another fun thing:
The Cubs magic number over the Cardinals is 27. They play each other the from September 12th through the 14th in St Louis.
IF, and this is a big if, the Cubs continue their "Last 30" pace of a .733 WP%, and the Cardinals perform slightly below their season WP% of .54, then the Cubs could potentially clinch the division by the last game of that series. That also assumes the Pirates don't surge and pass the Cardinals.
The Cubs are 34 games above .500 now. It's looking like 98 wins will clinch home field advantage through the NLCS unless Washington does something insane.
Right now, assuming the Fighting Jepstinks win 50% of their remaining games: 98 - 64
After the next two games at San Diego, they play three @Dodgers before home series against Pittsburgh and SF (4 games).
It'd be nice if they could go 7-5 or thereabout over those games. That'd give them basically a full month where .500 ball gets them a 99-100 win season.
Would allow them to get healthy, rested, and set the rotation and evaluate/showcase some September call up guys.
A month of .500 ball would give some around here an ulcer.
I'd be fine with it. September should be pretty much completely stress free regardless and I'd love to see guys like Candelario get an extended chance to boost their trade value.
You know he wasn't referring to you there, right? As astonishing as that might be?
I wanted to believe he wasn't, but I'd also know I'd have no right to get offended if he was.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 24, 2016, 02:21:55 PMLook, I've defended SKO in the past, but I'm not letting him get to first base.Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 08:18:24 AMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 24, 2016, 08:10:40 AMQuote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 07:28:46 AMQuote from: Oleg on August 23, 2016, 09:51:08 PMQuote from: ChuckD on August 23, 2016, 06:01:32 PMQuote from: CBStew on August 23, 2016, 05:34:09 PMQuote from: Yeti on August 23, 2016, 12:52:08 PMBut if the Cubs are winning it doesn't matter what the Pirates do, they will at least remain the same distance apart.
Another fun thing:
The Cubs magic number over the Cardinals is 27. They play each other the from September 12th through the 14th in St Louis.
IF, and this is a big if, the Cubs continue their "Last 30" pace of a .733 WP%, and the Cardinals perform slightly below their season WP% of .54, then the Cubs could potentially clinch the division by the last game of that series. That also assumes the Pirates don't surge and pass the Cardinals.
The Cubs are 34 games above .500 now. It's looking like 98 wins will clinch home field advantage through the NLCS unless Washington does something insane.
Right now, assuming the Fighting Jepstinks win 50% of their remaining games: 98 - 64
After the next two games at San Diego, they play three @Dodgers before home series against Pittsburgh and SF (4 games).
It'd be nice if they could go 7-5 or thereabout over those games. That'd give them basically a full month where .500 ball gets them a 99-100 win season.
Would allow them to get healthy, rested, and set the rotation and evaluate/showcase some September call up guys.
A month of .500 ball would give some around here an ulcer.
I'd be fine with it. September should be pretty much completely stress free regardless and I'd love to see guys like Candelario get an extended chance to boost their trade value.
You know he wasn't referring to you there, right? As astonishing as that might be?
I wanted to believe he wasn't, but I'd also know I'd have no right to get offended if he was.
I read that thinking SKO was, at minimum, 1B there.
Quote from: Bort on August 24, 2016, 02:25:22 PMQuote from: PenFoe on August 24, 2016, 02:21:55 PMLook, I've defended SKO in the past, but I'm not letting him get to first base.Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 08:18:24 AMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 24, 2016, 08:10:40 AMQuote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 07:28:46 AMQuote from: Oleg on August 23, 2016, 09:51:08 PMQuote from: ChuckD on August 23, 2016, 06:01:32 PMQuote from: CBStew on August 23, 2016, 05:34:09 PMQuote from: Yeti on August 23, 2016, 12:52:08 PMBut if the Cubs are winning it doesn't matter what the Pirates do, they will at least remain the same distance apart.
Another fun thing:
The Cubs magic number over the Cardinals is 27. They play each other the from September 12th through the 14th in St Louis.
IF, and this is a big if, the Cubs continue their "Last 30" pace of a .733 WP%, and the Cardinals perform slightly below their season WP% of .54, then the Cubs could potentially clinch the division by the last game of that series. That also assumes the Pirates don't surge and pass the Cardinals.
The Cubs are 34 games above .500 now. It's looking like 98 wins will clinch home field advantage through the NLCS unless Washington does something insane.
Right now, assuming the Fighting Jepstinks win 50% of their remaining games: 98 - 64
After the next two games at San Diego, they play three @Dodgers before home series against Pittsburgh and SF (4 games).
It'd be nice if they could go 7-5 or thereabout over those games. That'd give them basically a full month where .500 ball gets them a 99-100 win season.
Would allow them to get healthy, rested, and set the rotation and evaluate/showcase some September call up guys.
A month of .500 ball would give some around here an ulcer.
I'd be fine with it. September should be pretty much completely stress free regardless and I'd love to see guys like Candelario get an extended chance to boost their trade value.
You know he wasn't referring to you there, right? As astonishing as that might be?
I wanted to believe he wasn't, but I'd also know I'd have no right to get offended if he was.
I read that thinking SKO was, at minimum, 1B there.
Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 02:26:33 PMQuote from: Bort on August 24, 2016, 02:25:22 PMQuote from: PenFoe on August 24, 2016, 02:21:55 PMLook, I've defended SKO in the past, but I'm not letting him get to first base.Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 08:18:24 AMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 24, 2016, 08:10:40 AMQuote from: SKO on August 24, 2016, 07:28:46 AMQuote from: Oleg on August 23, 2016, 09:51:08 PMQuote from: ChuckD on August 23, 2016, 06:01:32 PMQuote from: CBStew on August 23, 2016, 05:34:09 PMQuote from: Yeti on August 23, 2016, 12:52:08 PMBut if the Cubs are winning it doesn't matter what the Pirates do, they will at least remain the same distance apart.
Another fun thing:
The Cubs magic number over the Cardinals is 27. They play each other the from September 12th through the 14th in St Louis.
IF, and this is a big if, the Cubs continue their "Last 30" pace of a .733 WP%, and the Cardinals perform slightly below their season WP% of .54, then the Cubs could potentially clinch the division by the last game of that series. That also assumes the Pirates don't surge and pass the Cardinals.
The Cubs are 34 games above .500 now. It's looking like 98 wins will clinch home field advantage through the NLCS unless Washington does something insane.
Right now, assuming the Fighting Jepstinks win 50% of their remaining games: 98 - 64
After the next two games at San Diego, they play three @Dodgers before home series against Pittsburgh and SF (4 games).
It'd be nice if they could go 7-5 or thereabout over those games. That'd give them basically a full month where .500 ball gets them a 99-100 win season.
Would allow them to get healthy, rested, and set the rotation and evaluate/showcase some September call up guys.
A month of .500 ball would give some around here an ulcer.
I'd be fine with it. September should be pretty much completely stress free regardless and I'd love to see guys like Candelario get an extended chance to boost their trade value.
You know he wasn't referring to you there, right? As astonishing as that might be?
I wanted to believe he wasn't, but I'd also know I'd have no right to get offended if he was.
I read that thinking SKO was, at minimum, 1B there.
So that really was just the laudanum talking that night.
Quote from: SKO on August 27, 2016, 03:51:36 PM
Could Zobrist stop with the bunts
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 27, 2016, 04:32:16 PMQuote from: SKO on August 27, 2016, 03:51:36 PM
Could Zobrist stop with the bunts
Seriously. Vin was saying he does whatever they ask, they put the bunt sign down and he does his job, but I'm pretty sure no one was telling him to bunt. I guess he just doesn't see Urias very well.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 27, 2016, 04:32:16 PMQuote from: SKO on August 27, 2016, 03:51:36 PM
Could Zobrist stop with the bunts
Seriously. Vin was saying he does whatever they ask, they put the bunt sign down and he does his job, but I'm pretty sure no one was telling him to bunt. I guess he just doesn't see Urias very well.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 27, 2016, 04:59:13 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on August 27, 2016, 04:32:16 PMQuote from: SKO on August 27, 2016, 03:51:36 PM
Could Zobrist stop with the bunts
Seriously. Vin was saying he does whatever they ask, they put the bunt sign down and he does his job, but I'm pretty sure no one was telling him to bunt. I guess he just doesn't see Urias very well.
Either that or Joe just decided to work on sacrifice bunting during a game because fuck you we have a 14-game lead.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 30, 2016, 12:12:59 AM
This team, man.
And fuck the Pirates, always.
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Quote from: Yeti on August 31, 2016, 09:24:32 AM
So, I grabbed the next 4 games' starters from the MLB at bat app's probables, so it may be wrong, but here's my potential rest of the year rotation to mix in the 6th starter (1 time skipped to balance out). It sets up Arrieta-Lester-Lackey-Hendricks as your 1 through 4. That's been the assumed situation most of the year. One could (and probably should) argue for Hendricks climbing his happy ass up higher.
Wednesday, Aug 31
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Lester
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Montgomery
Quote from: SKO on August 31, 2016, 09:28:13 AMQuote from: Yeti on August 31, 2016, 09:24:32 AM
So, I grabbed the next 4 games' starters from the MLB at bat app's probables, so it may be wrong, but here's my potential rest of the year rotation to mix in the 6th starter (1 time skipped to balance out). It sets up Arrieta-Lester-Lackey-Hendricks as your 1 through 4. That's been the assumed situation most of the year. One could (and probably should) argue for Hendricks climbing his happy ass up higher.
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A commendable effort indeed but I'd bet good money that Hendricks will not only be in the top three starters in the playoffs, he'll start one of the first two home games in the NLDS due to his ridiculous numbers at home this year. I'd bet Arrieta-Hendricks-Lester-Lackey for the NLDS.
Quote from: Yeti on August 31, 2016, 10:38:07 AMQuote from: SKO on August 31, 2016, 09:28:13 AMQuote from: Yeti on August 31, 2016, 09:24:32 AM
So, I grabbed the next 4 games' starters from the MLB at bat app's probables, so it may be wrong, but here's my potential rest of the year rotation to mix in the 6th starter (1 time skipped to balance out). It sets up Arrieta-Lester-Lackey-Hendricks as your 1 through 4. That's been the assumed situation most of the year. One could (and probably should) argue for Hendricks climbing his happy ass up higher.
Wednesday, Aug 31
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Friday, Sep 2
Saturday, Sep 3
Sunday, Sep 4
Monday, Sep 5
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MIL
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Lester
Lackey
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Hammel
Montgomery
A commendable effort indeed but I'd bet good money that Hendricks will not only be in the top three starters in the playoffs, he'll start one of the first two home games in the NLDS due to his ridiculous numbers at home this year. I'd bet Arrieta-Hendricks-Lester-Lackey for the NLDS.
If you're worried about H-R splits, the ideal rotation would be Lester-Lackey-Arrieta-Hendricks.
The weighted ERA average of the A-H-Le-La rotation (based on splits) is 2.871
The weighted ERA average of a Le-La-A-H rotation is 2.656
Also, the rotation I posted originally would have a weighted ERA average of 3.079
Quote from: SKO on August 31, 2016, 10:42:34 AMQuote from: Yeti on August 31, 2016, 10:38:07 AMQuote from: SKO on August 31, 2016, 09:28:13 AM
A commendable effort indeed but I'd bet good money that Hendricks will not only be in the top three starters in the playoffs, he'll start one of the first two home games in the NLDS due to his ridiculous numbers at home this year. I'd bet Arrieta-Hendricks-Lester-Lackey for the NLDS.
If you're worried about H-R splits, the ideal rotation would be Lester-Lackey-Arrieta-Hendricks.
The weighted ERA average of the A-H-Le-La rotation (based on splits) is 2.871
The weighted ERA average of a Le-La-A-H rotation is 2.656
Also, the rotation I posted originally would have a weighted ERA average of 3.079
I am confused, hasn't Hendricks been like historically good at Wrigley this year? Why would you have him start a road game? Or do he and Jake have less pronounced home/road splits than Lackey and Lester?
Quote from: Yeti on August 31, 2016, 10:54:04 AMQuote from: SKO on August 31, 2016, 10:42:34 AMQuote from: Yeti on August 31, 2016, 10:38:07 AMQuote from: SKO on August 31, 2016, 09:28:13 AM
A commendable effort indeed but I'd bet good money that Hendricks will not only be in the top three starters in the playoffs, he'll start one of the first two home games in the NLDS due to his ridiculous numbers at home this year. I'd bet Arrieta-Hendricks-Lester-Lackey for the NLDS.
If you're worried about H-R splits, the ideal rotation would be Lester-Lackey-Arrieta-Hendricks.
The weighted ERA average of the A-H-Le-La rotation (based on splits) is 2.871
The weighted ERA average of a Le-La-A-H rotation is 2.656
Also, the rotation I posted originally would have a weighted ERA average of 3.079
I am confused, hasn't Hendricks been like historically good at Wrigley this year? Why would you have him start a road game? Or do he and Jake have less pronounced home/road splits than Lackey and Lester?
Yes, Hendricks has the best Home ERA at 1.21, but Lackey also has the worst Road ERA, at 4.68.
Basically, I took the overall rotation ERA's averages based on splits. The first 2 guys, I used their home ERA's and IP. The second 2 guys, I used their Road ERA's and IP
Also, it won't matter when Lackey's bad road ERA doesn't even have to be used when the Cubs sweep
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 31, 2016, 12:35:52 PMQuote from: Yeti on August 31, 2016, 10:54:04 AMQuote from: SKO on August 31, 2016, 10:42:34 AMQuote from: Yeti on August 31, 2016, 10:38:07 AMQuote from: SKO on August 31, 2016, 09:28:13 AM
A commendable effort indeed but I'd bet good money that Hendricks will not only be in the top three starters in the playoffs, he'll start one of the first two home games in the NLDS due to his ridiculous numbers at home this year. I'd bet Arrieta-Hendricks-Lester-Lackey for the NLDS.
If you're worried about H-R splits, the ideal rotation would be Lester-Lackey-Arrieta-Hendricks.
The weighted ERA average of the A-H-Le-La rotation (based on splits) is 2.871
The weighted ERA average of a Le-La-A-H rotation is 2.656
Also, the rotation I posted originally would have a weighted ERA average of 3.079
I am confused, hasn't Hendricks been like historically good at Wrigley this year? Why would you have him start a road game? Or do he and Jake have less pronounced home/road splits than Lackey and Lester?
Yes, Hendricks has the best Home ERA at 1.21, but Lackey also has the worst Road ERA, at 4.68.
Basically, I took the overall rotation ERA's averages based on splits. The first 2 guys, I used their home ERA's and IP. The second 2 guys, I used their Road ERA's and IP
Also, it won't matter when Lackey's bad road ERA doesn't even have to be used when the Cubs sweep
Back to the original projection, I'd expect Joe to give each starting pitcher at least one skipped start, beginning in mid September.
Quote from: Yeti on August 31, 2016, 12:54:03 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 31, 2016, 12:35:52 PMQuote from: Yeti on August 31, 2016, 10:54:04 AMQuote from: SKO on August 31, 2016, 10:42:34 AMQuote from: Yeti on August 31, 2016, 10:38:07 AMQuote from: SKO on August 31, 2016, 09:28:13 AM
A commendable effort indeed but I'd bet good money that Hendricks will not only be in the top three starters in the playoffs, he'll start one of the first two home games in the NLDS due to his ridiculous numbers at home this year. I'd bet Arrieta-Hendricks-Lester-Lackey for the NLDS.
If you're worried about H-R splits, the ideal rotation would be Lester-Lackey-Arrieta-Hendricks.
The weighted ERA average of the A-H-Le-La rotation (based on splits) is 2.871
The weighted ERA average of a Le-La-A-H rotation is 2.656
Also, the rotation I posted originally would have a weighted ERA average of 3.079
I am confused, hasn't Hendricks been like historically good at Wrigley this year? Why would you have him start a road game? Or do he and Jake have less pronounced home/road splits than Lackey and Lester?
Yes, Hendricks has the best Home ERA at 1.21, but Lackey also has the worst Road ERA, at 4.68.
Basically, I took the overall rotation ERA's averages based on splits. The first 2 guys, I used their home ERA's and IP. The second 2 guys, I used their Road ERA's and IP
Also, it won't matter when Lackey's bad road ERA doesn't even have to be used when the Cubs sweep
Back to the original projection, I'd expect Joe to give each starting pitcher at least one skipped start, beginning in mid September.
With 31 games, you'd expect 6 starts out of each guy. I have 5 for the ones that matter (Arrieta, Lester, Lackey, Hendricks)
Quote from: SKO on August 31, 2016, 12:56:11 PMQuote from: Yeti on August 31, 2016, 12:54:03 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on August 31, 2016, 12:35:52 PMQuote from: Yeti on August 31, 2016, 10:54:04 AMQuote from: SKO on August 31, 2016, 10:42:34 AMQuote from: Yeti on August 31, 2016, 10:38:07 AMQuote from: SKO on August 31, 2016, 09:28:13 AM
A commendable effort indeed but I'd bet good money that Hendricks will not only be in the top three starters in the playoffs, he'll start one of the first two home games in the NLDS due to his ridiculous numbers at home this year. I'd bet Arrieta-Hendricks-Lester-Lackey for the NLDS.
If you're worried about H-R splits, the ideal rotation would be Lester-Lackey-Arrieta-Hendricks.
The weighted ERA average of the A-H-Le-La rotation (based on splits) is 2.871
The weighted ERA average of a Le-La-A-H rotation is 2.656
Also, the rotation I posted originally would have a weighted ERA average of 3.079
I am confused, hasn't Hendricks been like historically good at Wrigley this year? Why would you have him start a road game? Or do he and Jake have less pronounced home/road splits than Lackey and Lester?
Yes, Hendricks has the best Home ERA at 1.21, but Lackey also has the worst Road ERA, at 4.68.
Basically, I took the overall rotation ERA's averages based on splits. The first 2 guys, I used their home ERA's and IP. The second 2 guys, I used their Road ERA's and IP
Also, it won't matter when Lackey's bad road ERA doesn't even have to be used when the Cubs sweep
Back to the original projection, I'd expect Joe to give each starting pitcher at least one skipped start, beginning in mid September.
With 31 games, you'd expect 6 starts out of each guy. I have 5 for the ones that matter (Arrieta, Lester, Lackey, Hendricks)
Joe's already been reserving a 100 P max limit for the last couple of weeks, wouldn't surprise me to see them go to the 6 man or even piggyback some starters with nobody going more than 5 and Cahill/Zastryzny coming in for 2-3 innings.
Quote from: Yeti on August 31, 2016, 10:54:04 AMQuote from: SKO on August 31, 2016, 10:42:34 AMQuote from: Yeti on August 31, 2016, 10:38:07 AMQuote from: SKO on August 31, 2016, 09:28:13 AM
A commendable effort indeed but I'd bet good money that Hendricks will not only be in the top three starters in the playoffs, he'll start one of the first two home games in the NLDS due to his ridiculous numbers at home this year. I'd bet Arrieta-Hendricks-Lester-Lackey for the NLDS.
If you're worried about H-R splits, the ideal rotation would be Lester-Lackey-Arrieta-Hendricks.
The weighted ERA average of the A-H-Le-La rotation (based on splits) is 2.871
The weighted ERA average of a Le-La-A-H rotation is 2.656
Also, the rotation I posted originally would have a weighted ERA average of 3.079
I am confused, hasn't Hendricks been like historically good at Wrigley this year? Why would you have him start a road game? Or do he and Jake have less pronounced home/road splits than Lackey and Lester?
Yes, Hendricks has the best Home ERA at 1.21, but Lackey also has the worst Road ERA, at 4.68.
Basically, I took the overall rotation ERA's averages based on splits. The first 2 guys, I used their home ERA's and IP. The second 2 guys, I used their Road ERA's and IP
Also, it won't matter when Lackey's bad road ERA doesn't even have to be used when the Cubs sweep
Quote from: SKO on August 31, 2016, 09:28:13 AM
A commendable effort indeed....
Quote from: Tonker on September 01, 2016, 01:24:37 AM
If the Cubs only play .500 ball from now on, they will still reach 100 wins, and the Deadbirds will have to go 30-0 just to tie them.
Quote from: SKO on September 01, 2016, 07:34:47 AMQuote from: Tonker on September 01, 2016, 01:24:37 AM
If the Cubs only play .500 ball from now on, they will still reach 100 wins, and the Deadbirds will have to go 30-0 just to tie them.
So you're saying there's a chan---nope nevermind there's really not:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img924/3487/MUR3Ad.png)
Quote from: Canadouche on September 01, 2016, 08:09:05 AMQuote from: SKO on September 01, 2016, 07:34:47 AMQuote from: Tonker on September 01, 2016, 01:24:37 AM
If the Cubs only play .500 ball from now on, they will still reach 100 wins, and the Deadbirds will have to go 30-0 just to tie them.
So you're saying there's a chan---nope nevermind there's really not:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img924/3487/MUR3Ad.png)
But the Cardinals are seriously like a bad rash that just won't go away. Their team has had shit luck this year, and they aren't even particularly deep, and yet they will probably make the post season.
Quote from: SKO on September 01, 2016, 08:10:48 AMQuote from: Canadouche on September 01, 2016, 08:09:05 AMQuote from: SKO on September 01, 2016, 07:34:47 AMQuote from: Tonker on September 01, 2016, 01:24:37 AM
If the Cubs only play .500 ball from now on, they will still reach 100 wins, and the Deadbirds will have to go 30-0 just to tie them.
So you're saying there's a chan---nope nevermind there's really not:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img924/3487/MUR3Ad.png)
But the Cardinals are seriously like a bad rash that just won't go away. Their team has had shit luck this year, and they aren't even particularly deep, and yet they will probably make the post season.
Last year was a great argument for the second wildcard with the Cubs winning 97 games and going all of the way to the NLCS. This year is a great argument against the second wildcard with four very flawed teams (Cardinals, Mets, Pirates, Marlins) all mudhumping each other for a shot at 86 wins and the chance of getting their ass handed to them by Madison Bumgarner. As much fun as last year was I still think baseball overall is better without a second WC spot.
Quote from: Yeti on September 01, 2016, 08:24:36 AMQuote from: SKO on September 01, 2016, 08:10:48 AMQuote from: Canadouche on September 01, 2016, 08:09:05 AMQuote from: SKO on September 01, 2016, 07:34:47 AMQuote from: Tonker on September 01, 2016, 01:24:37 AM
If the Cubs only play .500 ball from now on, they will still reach 100 wins, and the Deadbirds will have to go 30-0 just to tie them.
So you're saying there's a chan---nope nevermind there's really not:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img924/3487/MUR3Ad.png)
But the Cardinals are seriously like a bad rash that just won't go away. Their team has had shit luck this year, and they aren't even particularly deep, and yet they will probably make the post season.
Last year was a great argument for the second wildcard with the Cubs winning 97 games and going all of the way to the NLCS. This year is a great argument against the second wildcard with four very flawed teams (Cardinals, Mets, Pirates, Marlins) all mudhumping each other for a shot at 86 wins and the chance of getting their ass handed to them by Madison Bumgarner. As much fun as last year was I still think baseball overall is better without a second WC spot.
I'd be fine with them dropping the second wild card if they also drop division titles being automatic bids
Quote from: SKO on September 01, 2016, 07:34:47 AMQuote from: Tonker on September 01, 2016, 01:24:37 AM
If the Cubs only play .500 ball from now on, they will still reach 100 wins, and the Deadbirds will have to go 30-0 just to tie them.
So you're saying there's a chan---nope nevermind there's really not:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img924/3487/MUR3Ad.png)
Quote from: Canadouche on September 01, 2016, 10:19:29 AM
The significant lead over the Cardinals, and the almost certainty of home field advantage, gives Maddon a lot of room to rest his players. I'm looking forward to seeing his choices in the coming weeks.
Quote from: SKO on September 01, 2016, 10:20:16 AMQuote from: Canadouche on September 01, 2016, 10:19:29 AM
The significant lead over the Cardinals, and the almost certainty of home field advantage, gives Maddon a lot of room to rest his players. I'm looking forward to seeing his choices in the coming weeks.
Going to see a lot of Albert Almora and Jeimer Candelario, I'm guessing. And probably Javy playing every position and pitching a few innings.
Quote from: SKO on September 01, 2016, 08:40:30 AMQuote from: Yeti on September 01, 2016, 08:24:36 AMQuote from: SKO on September 01, 2016, 08:10:48 AMQuote from: Canadouche on September 01, 2016, 08:09:05 AMQuote from: SKO on September 01, 2016, 07:34:47 AMQuote from: Tonker on September 01, 2016, 01:24:37 AM
If the Cubs only play .500 ball from now on, they will still reach 100 wins, and the Deadbirds will have to go 30-0 just to tie them.
So you're saying there's a chan---nope nevermind there's really not:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img924/3487/MUR3Ad.png)
But the Cardinals are seriously like a bad rash that just won't go away. Their team has had shit luck this year, and they aren't even particularly deep, and yet they will probably make the post season.
Last year was a great argument for the second wildcard with the Cubs winning 97 games and going all of the way to the NLCS. This year is a great argument against the second wildcard with four very flawed teams (Cardinals, Mets, Pirates, Marlins) all mudhumping each other for a shot at 86 wins and the chance of getting their ass handed to them by Madison Bumgarner. As much fun as last year was I still think baseball overall is better without a second WC spot.
I'd be fine with them dropping the second wild card if they also drop division titles being automatic bids
I am fine with keeping divisions as an automatic bid, because they're never going to want a situation where maybe both the Dodgers and Giants have a down year and maybe no one on the west coast watches baseball. It adds to rivalries, etc.
I do disagree with giving them homefield advantage over a better wildcard team, though. Seeding should be by record.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 01, 2016, 01:27:11 PM
Here's a fun thought - what if the Giants continue to crater, and St. Louis winds up with the first wild card?
Why is this a fun thought? Check St. Louis' record at home.
Quote from: Bort on September 01, 2016, 01:38:16 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on September 01, 2016, 01:27:11 PM
Here's a fun thought - what if the Giants continue to crater, and St. Louis winds up with the first wild card?
Why is this a fun thought? Check St. Louis' record at home.
I would rest easier knowing that they didn't even come close. I want the Cubs knocking them out last year to be the last time they see the postseason for about 40 years.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 01, 2016, 02:03:26 PMQuote from: Bort on September 01, 2016, 01:38:16 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on September 01, 2016, 01:27:11 PM
Here's a fun thought - what if the Giants continue to crater, and St. Louis winds up with the first wild card?
Why is this a fun thought? Check St. Louis' record at home.
I would rest easier knowing that they didn't even come close. I want the Cubs knocking them out last year to be the last time they see the postseason for about 40 years.
Speaking of St. Louis, anyone up for a roadtrip for the clincher if it's in St. Louis? 9/13 is a night game and 9/14 is a day game.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 01, 2016, 02:53:49 PMQuote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 01, 2016, 02:03:26 PMQuote from: Bort on September 01, 2016, 01:38:16 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on September 01, 2016, 01:27:11 PM
Here's a fun thought - what if the Giants continue to crater, and St. Louis winds up with the first wild card?
Why is this a fun thought? Check St. Louis' record at home.
I would rest easier knowing that they didn't even come close. I want the Cubs knocking them out last year to be the last time they see the postseason for about 40 years.
Speaking of St. Louis, anyone up for a roadtrip for the clincher if it's in St. Louis? 9/13 is a night game and 9/14 is a day game.
It's not going to take that long.
Quote from: Canadouche on September 02, 2016, 04:16:07 PM
40 games over .500, for the first time in our lifetimes.
Quote from: Bort on September 02, 2016, 04:56:10 PMNope. Finished 1945 98-56.Quote from: Canadouche on September 02, 2016, 04:16:07 PM
40 games over .500, for the first time in our lifetimes.
And I'm guessing this even includes Stew!
Quote from: Brownie on September 02, 2016, 05:00:36 PMQuote from: Bort on September 02, 2016, 04:56:10 PMNope. Finished 1945 98-56.Quote from: Canadouche on September 02, 2016, 04:16:07 PM
40 games over .500, for the first time in our lifetimes.
And I'm guessing this even includes Stew!
Quote from: Bort on September 02, 2016, 08:16:19 PMQuote from: Brownie on September 02, 2016, 05:00:36 PMQuote from: Bort on September 02, 2016, 04:56:10 PMNope. Finished 1945 98-56.Quote from: Canadouche on September 02, 2016, 04:16:07 PM
40 games over .500, for the first time in our lifetimes.
And I'm guessing this even includes Stew!
Ah. For some reason, I assumed they had a fairly mediocre record that year despite the pennant because every team sucked.
Quote from: Brownie on September 02, 2016, 08:31:40 PMQuote from: Bort on September 02, 2016, 08:16:19 PMQuote from: Brownie on September 02, 2016, 05:00:36 PMQuote from: Bort on September 02, 2016, 04:56:10 PMNope. Finished 1945 98-56.Quote from: Canadouche on September 02, 2016, 04:16:07 PM
40 games over .500, for the first time in our lifetimes.
And I'm guessing this even includes Stew!
Ah. For some reason, I assumed they had a fairly mediocre record that year despite the pennant because every team sucked.
Back in the 80s, there was a computer game called Micro League Baseball that I was a bit obsessed with. It was a predecessor to OOTP and a successor to the old Strat-a-matic games. Anyway, the main disk had 26 teams to sample the game: the 27 Yanks, 55 Dodgers, 61 Yanks, 80 Phillies, 75 Reds, and so on. One of the teams was the 45 Cubs and I was stunned how mediocre they were. In reality, they weren't bad. Andy Pafko had a pedestrian year compared to what he became. Cavarretta had a good year -- extra base power and a .355 average. Smiling Stan Hack was pretty good. After that, it was a bunch of garbage.
Except for their pitching: Hank Borowy and Claude Passeau could hold their own.
Anyway, I found the 1945 Cubs so boring, I filled out the mail order and got the 1984 season disk and the general manager's disk so I could beat the shit out of the 27 Yankees and the 82 Cardinals with Sutcliffe every fucking single day, and then I would load the current Cubs up to date with the general manager's disk. So yeah, I preferred going up against the Big Red Machine with the 1986 Cubs than the team that actually played in the World Series.
Quote from: Bort on September 02, 2016, 08:16:19 PMQuote from: Brownie on September 02, 2016, 05:00:36 PMQuote from: Bort on September 02, 2016, 04:56:10 PMNope. Finished 1945 98-56.Quote from: Canadouche on September 02, 2016, 04:16:07 PM
40 games over .500, for the first time in our lifetimes.
And I'm guessing this even includes Stew!
Ah. For some reason, I assumed they had a fairly mediocre record that year despite the pennant because every team sucked.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 02, 2016, 09:40:45 PMQuote from: Bort on September 02, 2016, 08:16:19 PMQuote from: Brownie on September 02, 2016, 05:00:36 PMQuote from: Bort on September 02, 2016, 04:56:10 PMNope. Finished 1945 98-56.Quote from: Canadouche on September 02, 2016, 04:16:07 PM
40 games over .500, for the first time in our lifetimes.
And I'm guessing this even includes Stew!
Ah. For some reason, I assumed they had a fairly mediocre record that year despite the pennant because every team sucked.
Thanks for reading. (http://desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=9160.msg307243#msg307243)
Jerk.
Quote from: Tonker on September 06, 2016, 02:44:14 AM
As good as these Cubs are, they could be even better: their 691-462 (+229!) run differential should, all things being equal, be good for a record of 93-44 (.679). That would put them on pace for 110 wins. For fuck sake.
While we're on my favourite subject, by the way, I was having a look around the AL (oh, no reason) and it looks like the Red Sox (752-610) and not the Rangers (669-646) might be the cream of the crop. The Rangers are a full 11 (eleven) games ahead of their run differential, whereas Boston are 5 games behind and missing out on the playoffs is a real possibility. Which would be a shame, eh?
Quote from: Yeti on September 06, 2016, 08:14:10 AMQuote from: Tonker on September 06, 2016, 02:44:14 AM
As good as these Cubs are, they could be even better: their 691-462 (+229!) run differential should, all things being equal, be good for a record of 93-44 (.679). That would put them on pace for 110 wins. For fuck sake.
While we're on my favourite subject, by the way, I was having a look around the AL (oh, no reason) and it looks like the Red Sox (752-610) and not the Rangers (669-646) might be the cream of the crop. The Rangers are a full 11 (eleven) games ahead of their run differential, whereas Boston are 5 games behind and missing out on the playoffs is a real possibility. Which would be a shame, eh?
Texas' record in one run games: 30-9. That's just redick.
Also, somehow, they're 57-28 against teams above .500
Quote from: SKO on September 06, 2016, 08:18:23 AMQuote from: Yeti on September 06, 2016, 08:14:10 AMQuote from: Tonker on September 06, 2016, 02:44:14 AM
As good as these Cubs are, they could be even better: their 691-462 (+229!) run differential should, all things being equal, be good for a record of 93-44 (.679). That would put them on pace for 110 wins. For fuck sake.
While we're on my favourite subject, by the way, I was having a look around the AL (oh, no reason) and it looks like the Red Sox (752-610) and not the Rangers (669-646) might be the cream of the crop. The Rangers are a full 11 (eleven) games ahead of their run differential, whereas Boston are 5 games behind and missing out on the playoffs is a real possibility. Which would be a shame, eh?
Texas' record in one run games: 30-9. That's just redick.
Also, somehow, they're 57-28 against teams above .500
Pythagorean record is good and all but sometimes I wonder if it tends to favor teams that score a lot of runs even if they don't do anything else well. The Cardinals and Red Sox both have bad pitching staffs. That's something they deal with every day. Their offenses can definitely put up 10 to 15 runs on bad teams with regularity. I can't say much for the Red Sox defense but I know the Cardinals defense is absolutely terrible. I feel like the fact that they tend to win a lot of the games they do win by large margins hides the fact that on a day to day basis they're a pretty mediocre team in two of the three phases of the game. They remind me of the 2004 Cubs with an even worse rotation.
Quote from: Tonker on September 06, 2016, 08:28:42 AMQuote from: SKO on September 06, 2016, 08:18:23 AMQuote from: Yeti on September 06, 2016, 08:14:10 AMQuote from: Tonker on September 06, 2016, 02:44:14 AM
As good as these Cubs are, they could be even better: their 691-462 (+229!) run differential should, all things being equal, be good for a record of 93-44 (.679). That would put them on pace for 110 wins. For fuck sake.
While we're on my favourite subject, by the way, I was having a look around the AL (oh, no reason) and it looks like the Red Sox (752-610) and not the Rangers (669-646) might be the cream of the crop. The Rangers are a full 11 (eleven) games ahead of their run differential, whereas Boston are 5 games behind and missing out on the playoffs is a real possibility. Which would be a shame, eh?
Texas' record in one run games: 30-9. That's just redick.
Also, somehow, they're 57-28 against teams above .500
Pythagorean record is good and all but sometimes I wonder if it tends to favor teams that score a lot of runs even if they don't do anything else well. The Cardinals and Red Sox both have bad pitching staffs. That's something they deal with every day. Their offenses can definitely put up 10 to 15 runs on bad teams with regularity. I can't say much for the Red Sox defense but I know the Cardinals defense is absolutely terrible. I feel like the fact that they tend to win a lot of the games they do win by large margins hides the fact that on a day to day basis they're a pretty mediocre team in two of the three phases of the game. They remind me of the 2004 Cubs with an even worse rotation.
Erm...
Rangers runs allowed: 646
Red Sox runs allowed: 610
Quote from: PenFoe on May 10, 2016, 11:24:43 AMQuote from: Oleg on May 10, 2016, 10:46:18 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 08:28:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 08:23:11 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 07:23:02 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 05:15:28 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2016, 07:28:37 PM
Just got an MLB alert that Strasburg and the Nationals have agreed on a 7-year, $175MM extension. With him off the market does this change anything in the Arrieta negotiations/non-negotiations for the Cubs? I wonder if Strasburg might have been a top target for Theo and Jed. Obviously it doesn't make Jake any younger, but maybe they'd be more willing to come closer to the number of years he wants now.
Not sure Jed & Theo would ever go long and heavy on any starting pitcher that has Dusty's fingerprints on him.
But I can't imagine Boras not wanting to test the open market.
This is funny because Strasburg is a Boras client.
Yeah, but do you think Jake doesn't get at least 7/210 on the open market? That's a pretty big jump from Strasburg's deal.
Depends. Both have their knocks. Strasburg is younger than Arrieta, he's also had TJS. Arrieta is potentially less of an injury risk but then he's also going to be on the wrong side of 30 and has had only one full season.
I have no idea what the motivation is for Strasburg to sign that deal a mere 4 months ahead of free agency. That seems weird. But, he has two opt outs including the first one after his age-31 season, or the age Arrieta will be when he hits free agency. I have no idea how the contract is structured but, assuming he rakes in a cool 75 mil and has the opportunity to hit free agency again at 31? If Arrieta is good for 7/210, would Strasburg come close? So, that would make it a 10-year/$285mm in earnings. I don't think Arrieta is getting anywhere near that.
I guess, in other words, this is probably a bad comp for the Arrieta negotiations.
As much hand-wringing as there was at the time, maybe Strasburg has actually come to appreciate where the Nationals were coming from when they shut him down way back when to save his arm.
Can't think of too many reasons he'd sign this right now.
Unless he's fearful of going on the DL for the 7th time between now and the end of the season and hurting his value.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 08, 2016, 02:21:21 PMQuote from: PenFoe on May 10, 2016, 11:24:43 AMQuote from: Oleg on May 10, 2016, 10:46:18 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 08:28:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 08:23:11 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 07:23:02 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 05:15:28 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2016, 07:28:37 PM
Just got an MLB alert that Strasburg and the Nationals have agreed on a 7-year, $175MM extension. With him off the market does this change anything in the Arrieta negotiations/non-negotiations for the Cubs? I wonder if Strasburg might have been a top target for Theo and Jed. Obviously it doesn't make Jake any younger, but maybe they'd be more willing to come closer to the number of years he wants now.
Not sure Jed & Theo would ever go long and heavy on any starting pitcher that has Dusty's fingerprints on him.
But I can't imagine Boras not wanting to test the open market.
This is funny because Strasburg is a Boras client.
Yeah, but do you think Jake doesn't get at least 7/210 on the open market? That's a pretty big jump from Strasburg's deal.
Depends. Both have their knocks. Strasburg is younger than Arrieta, he's also had TJS. Arrieta is potentially less of an injury risk but then he's also going to be on the wrong side of 30 and has had only one full season.
I have no idea what the motivation is for Strasburg to sign that deal a mere 4 months ahead of free agency. That seems weird. But, he has two opt outs including the first one after his age-31 season, or the age Arrieta will be when he hits free agency. I have no idea how the contract is structured but, assuming he rakes in a cool 75 mil and has the opportunity to hit free agency again at 31? If Arrieta is good for 7/210, would Strasburg come close? So, that would make it a 10-year/$285mm in earnings. I don't think Arrieta is getting anywhere near that.
I guess, in other words, this is probably a bad comp for the Arrieta negotiations.
As much hand-wringing as there was at the time, maybe Strasburg has actually come to appreciate where the Nationals were coming from when they shut him down way back when to save his arm.
Can't think of too many reasons he'd sign this right now.
Unless he's fearful of going on the DL for the 7th time between now and the end of the season and hurting his value.
Looks like Strasburg cashed in (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2016/09/08/for-washington-sports-fans-stephen-strasburg-injury-is-a-feeling-too-familiar/) before Dusty pointed him to the glue factory.
Quote from: Tonker on September 09, 2016, 07:57:00 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on September 08, 2016, 02:21:21 PMQuote from: PenFoe on May 10, 2016, 11:24:43 AMQuote from: Oleg on May 10, 2016, 10:46:18 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 08:28:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 08:23:11 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 07:23:02 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 05:15:28 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2016, 07:28:37 PM
Just got an MLB alert that Strasburg and the Nationals have agreed on a 7-year, $175MM extension. With him off the market does this change anything in the Arrieta negotiations/non-negotiations for the Cubs? I wonder if Strasburg might have been a top target for Theo and Jed. Obviously it doesn't make Jake any younger, but maybe they'd be more willing to come closer to the number of years he wants now.
Not sure Jed & Theo would ever go long and heavy on any starting pitcher that has Dusty's fingerprints on him.
But I can't imagine Boras not wanting to test the open market.
This is funny because Strasburg is a Boras client.
Yeah, but do you think Jake doesn't get at least 7/210 on the open market? That's a pretty big jump from Strasburg's deal.
Depends. Both have their knocks. Strasburg is younger than Arrieta, he's also had TJS. Arrieta is potentially less of an injury risk but then he's also going to be on the wrong side of 30 and has had only one full season.
I have no idea what the motivation is for Strasburg to sign that deal a mere 4 months ahead of free agency. That seems weird. But, he has two opt outs including the first one after his age-31 season, or the age Arrieta will be when he hits free agency. I have no idea how the contract is structured but, assuming he rakes in a cool 75 mil and has the opportunity to hit free agency again at 31? If Arrieta is good for 7/210, would Strasburg come close? So, that would make it a 10-year/$285mm in earnings. I don't think Arrieta is getting anywhere near that.
I guess, in other words, this is probably a bad comp for the Arrieta negotiations.
As much hand-wringing as there was at the time, maybe Strasburg has actually come to appreciate where the Nationals were coming from when they shut him down way back when to save his arm.
Can't think of too many reasons he'd sign this right now.
Unless he's fearful of going on the DL for the 7th time between now and the end of the season and hurting his value.
Looks like Strasburg cashed in (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2016/09/08/for-washington-sports-fans-stephen-strasburg-injury-is-a-feeling-too-familiar/) before Dusty pointed him to the glue factory.
To be fair, Strasburg has only thrown more than 110 pitches once this year, back in April (114).
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2016, 08:08:30 AMQuote from: Tonker on September 09, 2016, 07:57:00 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on September 08, 2016, 02:21:21 PMQuote from: PenFoe on May 10, 2016, 11:24:43 AMQuote from: Oleg on May 10, 2016, 10:46:18 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 08:28:31 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 08:23:11 AMQuote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 07:23:02 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2016, 05:15:28 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2016, 07:28:37 PM
Just got an MLB alert that Strasburg and the Nationals have agreed on a 7-year, $175MM extension. With him off the market does this change anything in the Arrieta negotiations/non-negotiations for the Cubs? I wonder if Strasburg might have been a top target for Theo and Jed. Obviously it doesn't make Jake any younger, but maybe they'd be more willing to come closer to the number of years he wants now.
Not sure Jed & Theo would ever go long and heavy on any starting pitcher that has Dusty's fingerprints on him.
But I can't imagine Boras not wanting to test the open market.
This is funny because Strasburg is a Boras client.
Yeah, but do you think Jake doesn't get at least 7/210 on the open market? That's a pretty big jump from Strasburg's deal.
Depends. Both have their knocks. Strasburg is younger than Arrieta, he's also had TJS. Arrieta is potentially less of an injury risk but then he's also going to be on the wrong side of 30 and has had only one full season.
I have no idea what the motivation is for Strasburg to sign that deal a mere 4 months ahead of free agency. That seems weird. But, he has two opt outs including the first one after his age-31 season, or the age Arrieta will be when he hits free agency. I have no idea how the contract is structured but, assuming he rakes in a cool 75 mil and has the opportunity to hit free agency again at 31? If Arrieta is good for 7/210, would Strasburg come close? So, that would make it a 10-year/$285mm in earnings. I don't think Arrieta is getting anywhere near that.
I guess, in other words, this is probably a bad comp for the Arrieta negotiations.
As much hand-wringing as there was at the time, maybe Strasburg has actually come to appreciate where the Nationals were coming from when they shut him down way back when to save his arm.
Can't think of too many reasons he'd sign this right now.
Unless he's fearful of going on the DL for the 7th time between now and the end of the season and hurting his value.
Looks like Strasburg cashed in (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2016/09/08/for-washington-sports-fans-stephen-strasburg-injury-is-a-feeling-too-familiar/) before Dusty pointed him to the glue factory.
To be fair, Strasburg has only thrown more than 110 pitches once this year, back in April (114).
Yeah I know Dusty's reputation as well as anyone but front offices nowadays aren't going to let someone do what he did to Prior and Wood. The Nats top 4 starters all rank in the top 20 in the MLB in starts per pitch but you'll also find Jake and Lackey in that category as well. Mostly that's just a function of them doing well and staying in games, and 110+ pitch starts are rare even for them. Strasburg is breaking now because he was probably just always going to break. 19 year olds weren't meant to throw 100 MPH.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 09, 2016, 12:04:03 PM
here (http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160908/sports/160908933/) is a pretty good breakdown of the building of the Cubs by Bruce, who managed to not call Gordo and Alvin dipshits when talking about people bitching about the build.
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2016, 12:10:52 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on September 09, 2016, 12:04:03 PM
here (http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160908/sports/160908933/) is a pretty good breakdown of the building of the Cubs by Bruce, who managed to not call Gordo and Alvin dipshits when talking about people bitching about the build.
Bruce is great, however, this is also like the fourth different "how the Cubs were built article" I've seen in the last month. The Athletic just did this like last week. I guess there's not much content with them simply counting down the days to the playoffs so "HOW THIS TEAM LEARNED TO KICK EVERYONE'S ASS" is as good as anything else.
Quote from: Gold Glove SS Cliche Machine
It's pretty cool. I've been blessed that the Cubs gave me the opportunity to play.
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2016, 12:10:52 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on September 09, 2016, 12:04:03 PM
here (http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160908/sports/160908933/) is a pretty good breakdown of the building of the Cubs by Bruce, who managed to not call Gordo and Alvin dipshits when talking about people bitching about the build.
Bruce is great, however, this is also like the fourth different "how the Cubs were built article" I've seen in the last month. The Athletic just did this like last week. I guess there's not much content with them simply counting down the days to the playoffs so "HOW THIS TEAM LEARNED TO KICK EVERYONE'S ASS" is as good as anything else.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 16, 2016, 02:15:54 PM
So many Cubs fans grumbling about backing in to the division last night and others saying that's it fine as the fans can celebrate after a win today. I looked at today's lineup and wondered how pissed Lackey was looking at it and how he'd need to really be on to get his 10th. Yet there he is down 2-0 in the 3rd after giving up a couple of bombs. GL Lackey.
Quote from: SKO on September 16, 2016, 02:33:44 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 16, 2016, 02:15:54 PM
So many Cubs fans grumbling about backing in to the division last night and others saying that's it fine as the fans can celebrate after a win today. I looked at today's lineup and wondered how pissed Lackey was looking at it and how he'd need to really be on to get his 10th. Yet there he is down 2-0 in the 3rd after giving up a couple of bombs. GL Lackey.
They won the division by winning 93 games. The idea of "backing into the division" is dumb.
Quote from: Bort on September 16, 2016, 02:47:56 PMQuote from: SKO on September 16, 2016, 02:33:44 PMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 16, 2016, 02:15:54 PM
So many Cubs fans grumbling about backing in to the division last night and others saying that's it fine as the fans can celebrate after a win today. I looked at today's lineup and wondered how pissed Lackey was looking at it and how he'd need to really be on to get his 10th. Yet there he is down 2-0 in the 3rd after giving up a couple of bombs. GL Lackey.
They won the division by winning 93 games. The idea of "backing into the division" is dumb.
Yeah, my dad was complaining about that last night, and I was like "I cannot give a fuck, as long as they win it." I literally don't care if the next game they win is the first postseason one.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 16, 2016, 03:33:17 PM
The Pirates fan in my office asked me how the backdoor feels. I asked how getting dominated all season feels.
Cubs vs. NL Central, 2016
Reds: 10-3 (.769)
Brewers: 10-6 (.625)
Pirates: 12-3 (.800)
Cardinals: 8-8 (.500)
Total: 40-20 (.667)
Quote from: Grandmaster Wang on September 16, 2016, 03:40:24 PM
On what planet does entering the playoffs with the best record by more than a few, having held the best record for basically the entire season, save a handful of days a couple months ago, equal sneaking in the back door?
Quote from: Bort on September 16, 2016, 03:41:21 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on September 16, 2016, 03:40:24 PM
On what planet does entering the playoffs with the best record by more than a few, having held the best record for basically the entire season, save a handful of days a couple months ago, equal sneaking in the back door?
The planet where it is necessary for the egos of certain fanbases, to believe that the Cubs can never win.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 16, 2016, 08:19:22 PMI ain't gonna move on until you explain what they should link it to.
They won the division with three weeks left in the goddamn season, they're going to have the best record overall.
If people want to talk about "backing in" with that kind of padding in the standings, they are all cordially invited to link Alvin's taint.
Let's move on.
Quote from: CBStew on September 16, 2016, 10:04:11 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on September 16, 2016, 08:19:22 PMI ain't gonna move on until you explain what they should link it to.
They won the division with three weeks left in the goddamn season, they're going to have the best record overall.
If people want to talk about "backing in" with that kind of padding in the standings, they are all cordially invited to link Alvin's taint.
Let's move on.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 22, 2016, 05:58:54 PM
Cubs vs. NL Central, 2016 (as of Sept. 22)
Reds: 13-3 (.813)
Brewers: 11-8 (.579)
Pirates: 12-3 (.800)
Cardinals: 8-8 (.500)
Total: 44-22 (.667)
Quote from: SKO on September 23, 2016, 07:39:37 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on September 22, 2016, 05:58:54 PM
Cubs vs. NL Central, 2016 (as of Sept. 22)
Reds: 13-3 (.813)
Brewers: 11-8 (.579)
Pirates: 12-3 (.800)
Cardinals: 8-8 (.500)
Total: 44-22 (.667)
I need the Cubs to take 2 of the 3 at least from the Cardinals because reasons
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 23, 2016, 01:47:07 PMQuote from: SKO on September 23, 2016, 07:39:37 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on September 22, 2016, 05:58:54 PM
Cubs vs. NL Central, 2016 (as of Sept. 22)
Reds: 13-3 (.813)
Brewers: 11-8 (.579)
Pirates: 12-3 (.800)
Cardinals: 8-8 (.500)
Total: 44-22 (.667)
I need the Cubs to take 2 of the 3 at least from the Cardinals because reasons
No. You don't.
Quote from: SKO on September 23, 2016, 01:52:02 PMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 23, 2016, 01:47:07 PMQuote from: SKO on September 23, 2016, 07:39:37 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on September 22, 2016, 05:58:54 PM
Cubs vs. NL Central, 2016 (as of Sept. 22)
Reds: 13-3 (.813)
Brewers: 11-8 (.579)
Pirates: 12-3 (.800)
Cardinals: 8-8 (.500)
Total: 44-22 (.667)
I need the Cubs to take 2 of the 3 at least from the Cardinals because reasons
No. You don't.
Lighten up, Francis. I'm not saying they're must wins or that I'll be mad if they don't, just that this team leaving Cardinals fans with absolutely nothing to enjoy about this season would be yet another layer of icing on the cake. Sports is fun. Beating rivals is fun. Let's have fun.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 23, 2016, 01:58:42 PMQuote from: SKO on September 23, 2016, 01:52:02 PMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 23, 2016, 01:47:07 PMQuote from: SKO on September 23, 2016, 07:39:37 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on September 22, 2016, 05:58:54 PM
Cubs vs. NL Central, 2016 (as of Sept. 22)
Reds: 13-3 (.813)
Brewers: 11-8 (.579)
Pirates: 12-3 (.800)
Cardinals: 8-8 (.500)
Total: 44-22 (.667)
I need the Cubs to take 2 of the 3 at least from the Cardinals because reasons
No. You don't.
Lighten up, Francis. I'm not saying they're must wins or that I'll be mad if they don't, just that this team leaving Cardinals fans with absolutely nothing to enjoy about this season would be yet another layer of icing on the cake. Sports is fun. Beating rivals is fun. Let's have fun.
Let me pick myself up from the floor for you telling me to lighten up first
If the Cubs win the World Series, any Cardinal fan bringing up that they won the season series should be of absolute zero consequence to you is all I'm saying.
Quote from: SKO on September 23, 2016, 02:17:53 PMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 23, 2016, 01:58:42 PMQuote from: SKO on September 23, 2016, 01:52:02 PMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 23, 2016, 01:47:07 PMQuote from: SKO on September 23, 2016, 07:39:37 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on September 22, 2016, 05:58:54 PM
Cubs vs. NL Central, 2016 (as of Sept. 22)
Reds: 13-3 (.813)
Brewers: 11-8 (.579)
Pirates: 12-3 (.800)
Cardinals: 8-8 (.500)
Total: 44-22 (.667)
I need the Cubs to take 2 of the 3 at least from the Cardinals because reasons
No. You don't.
Lighten up, Francis. I'm not saying they're must wins or that I'll be mad if they don't, just that this team leaving Cardinals fans with absolutely nothing to enjoy about this season would be yet another layer of icing on the cake. Sports is fun. Beating rivals is fun. Let's have fun.
Let me pick myself up from the floor for you telling me to lighten up first
If the Cubs win the World Series, any Cardinal fan bringing up that they won the season series should be of absolute zero consequence to you is all I'm saying.
True, but in the interim you have to understandthat I am surrounded by the most intolerable Cardinals fans in the world out here in bugtussle and I don't want them to have even the slightest of joys in the rest of their miserable lives. stupid shit that would be washed away by the Cubs winning it all.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 23, 2016, 02:40:24 PMQuote from: SKO on September 23, 2016, 02:17:53 PMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 23, 2016, 01:58:42 PMQuote from: SKO on September 23, 2016, 01:52:02 PMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 23, 2016, 01:47:07 PMQuote from: SKO on September 23, 2016, 07:39:37 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on September 22, 2016, 05:58:54 PM
Cubs vs. NL Central, 2016 (as of Sept. 22)
Reds: 13-3 (.813)
Brewers: 11-8 (.579)
Pirates: 12-3 (.800)
Cardinals: 8-8 (.500)
Total: 44-22 (.667)
I need the Cubs to take 2 of the 3 at least from the Cardinals because reasons
No. You don't.
Lighten up, Francis. I'm not saying they're must wins or that I'll be mad if they don't, just that this team leaving Cardinals fans with absolutely nothing to enjoy about this season would be yet another layer of icing on the cake. Sports is fun. Beating rivals is fun. Let's have fun.
Let me pick myself up from the floor for you telling me to lighten up first
If the Cubs win the World Series, any Cardinal fan bringing up that they won the season series should be of absolute zero consequence to you is all I'm saying.
True, but in the interim you have to understandthat I am surrounded by the most intolerable Cardinals fans in the world out here in bugtussle and I don't want them to have even the slightest of joys in the rest of their miserable lives. stupid shit that would be washed away by the Cubs winning it all.
I'm not saying those people you describe don't exist, but if you actually let something like that bother you in this scenario then I can't help you.
Quote from: SKO on September 23, 2016, 02:45:25 PMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 23, 2016, 02:40:24 PMQuote from: SKO on September 23, 2016, 02:17:53 PMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 23, 2016, 01:58:42 PMQuote from: SKO on September 23, 2016, 01:52:02 PMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 23, 2016, 01:47:07 PMQuote from: SKO on September 23, 2016, 07:39:37 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on September 22, 2016, 05:58:54 PM
Cubs vs. NL Central, 2016 (as of Sept. 22)
Reds: 13-3 (.813)
Brewers: 11-8 (.579)
Pirates: 12-3 (.800)
Cardinals: 8-8 (.500)
Total: 44-22 (.667)
I need the Cubs to take 2 of the 3 at least from the Cardinals because reasons
No. You don't.
Lighten up, Francis. I'm not saying they're must wins or that I'll be mad if they don't, just that this team leaving Cardinals fans with absolutely nothing to enjoy about this season would be yet another layer of icing on the cake. Sports is fun. Beating rivals is fun. Let's have fun.
Let me pick myself up from the floor for you telling me to lighten up first
If the Cubs win the World Series, any Cardinal fan bringing up that they won the season series should be of absolute zero consequence to you is all I'm saying.
True, but in the interim you have to understandthat I am surrounded by the most intolerable Cardinals fans in the world out here in bugtussle and I don't want them to have even the slightest of joys in the rest of their miserable lives. stupid shit that would be washed away by the Cubs winning it all.
I'm not saying those people you describe don't exist, but if you actually let something like that bother you in this scenario then I can't help you.
I said "in the interim", as in between now and when the Cubs do win it all. Until then these 1908 screaming bastards take any shots they can at the Cubs.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 23, 2016, 01:58:42 PMQuote from: SKO on September 23, 2016, 01:52:02 PMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 23, 2016, 01:47:07 PMQuote from: SKO on September 23, 2016, 07:39:37 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on September 22, 2016, 05:58:54 PM
Cubs vs. NL Central, 2016 (as of Sept. 22)
Reds: 13-3 (.813)
Brewers: 11-8 (.579)
Pirates: 12-3 (.800)
Cardinals: 8-8 (.500)
Total: 44-22 (.667)
I need the Cubs to take 2 of the 3 at least from the Cardinals because reasons
No. You don't.
Lighten up, Francis. I'm not saying they're must wins or that I'll be mad if they don't, just that this team leaving Cardinals fans with absolutely nothing to enjoy about this season would be yet another layer of icing on the cake. Sports is fun. Beating rivals is fun. Let's have fun.
Let me pick myself up from the floor for you telling me to lighten up firstIfWhen the Cubs win the World Series, any Cardinal fan bringing up that they won the season series should be of absolute zero consequence to you is all I'm saying.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 23, 2016, 02:50:21 PM
Fuck those assholes.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 24, 2016, 01:00:51 AM
They clinched due to tiebreaker with Washington.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 24, 2016, 01:08:44 AMQuote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 24, 2016, 01:00:51 AM
They clinched due to tiebreaker with Washington.
Thanks to the series when Dusty got his ass handed to him for batting Zimmerman after Harper every game come hell or high water.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 24, 2016, 09:30:09 PM
Cubs vs. NL Central, 2016 (after game of Sept. 24)
Reds: 13-3 (.813)
Pirates: 12-3 (.800)
Brewers: 11-8 (.579)
Cardinals: 9-9 (.500)
Total: 45-23 (.662)
Games Remaining (Regular Season)
at Reds: 3
at Pirates: 4
vs Brewers: 0
vs Cardinals: 1
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 25, 2016, 11:19:33 AMFor the benefit of us Northern Californians, would you explain what a "thunderstorm" is?Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 24, 2016, 09:30:09 PM
Cubs vs. NL Central, 2016 (after game of Sept. 24)
Reds: 13-3 (.813)
Pirates: 12-3 (.800)
Brewers: 11-8 (.579)
Cardinals: 9-9 (.500)
Total: 45-23 (.662)
Games Remaining (Regular Season)
at Reds: 3
at Pirates: 4
vs Brewers: 0
vs Cardinals: 1
Thunderstorms are in the forecast for tonight.
Even though I have tickets, I have to admit a makeup game next Monday where the Cubs could eliminate the Cardinals would just be too fucking good. I'm pretty sure LFork wouldn't mind taking a day off for that.
Quote from: CBStew on September 25, 2016, 05:00:16 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on September 25, 2016, 11:19:33 AMFor the benefit of us Northern Californians, would you explain what a "thunderstorm" is?Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 24, 2016, 09:30:09 PM
Cubs vs. NL Central, 2016 (after game of Sept. 24)
Reds: 13-3 (.813)
Pirates: 12-3 (.800)
Brewers: 11-8 (.579)
Cardinals: 9-9 (.500)
Total: 45-23 (.662)
Games Remaining (Regular Season)
at Reds: 3
at Pirates: 4
vs Brewers: 0
vs Cardinals: 1
Thunderstorms are in the forecast for tonight.
Even though I have tickets, I have to admit a makeup game next Monday where the Cubs could eliminate the Cardinals would just be too fucking good. I'm pretty sure LFork wouldn't mind taking a day off for that.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 25, 2016, 11:19:33 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on September 24, 2016, 09:30:09 PM
Cubs vs. NL Central, 2016 (after game of Sept. 24)
Reds: 13-3 (.813)
Pirates: 12-3 (.800)
Brewers: 11-8 (.579)
Cardinals: 9-9 (.500)
Total: 45-23 (.662)
Games Remaining (Regular Season)
at Reds: 3
at Pirates: 4
vs Brewers: 0
vs Cardinals: 1
Thunderstorms are in the forecast for tonight.
Even though I have tickets, I have to admit a makeup game next Monday where the Cubs could eliminate the Cardinals would just be too fucking good. I'm pretty sure LFork wouldn't mind taking a day off for that.
Quote from: Canadouche on September 27, 2016, 09:09:51 AM
Removing the 5-15 span that tested our sanity, the Cubs would be 95-41, a .699 winning percentage, which would've put them on pace for a 113-win season. So as good as they've been, their win total doesn't reflect how good they actually are. That's kind of crazy.
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 09:15:12 AMQuote from: Canadouche on September 27, 2016, 09:09:51 AM
Removing the 5-15 span that tested our sanity, the Cubs would be 95-41, a .699 winning percentage, which would've put them on pace for a 113-win season. So as good as they've been, their win total doesn't reflect how good they actually are. That's kind of crazy.
Their Pythagorean win-loss record is 105-51. By Pythagorean record only two teams have had worse luck than the Cubs, the Twins and the Rays. Fire Maddon.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 27, 2016, 10:55:16 AM
My question is, at what point is this season considered a success/failure?
While this team isn't set up for a one-and-done, all the ducks are in a row for a championship. Last year, making the playoffs was great, knocking off the Cards was gravy. The expectations based upon what was done last winter and during the season has changed the goal.
This year, I'd think anything less than a parade is a disappointment.
Quote from: Grandmaster Wang on September 27, 2016, 11:27:46 AM
Well, I'll be That Guy. 100+ wins. Good shot of winning the division by 20+ games. Best team in baseball all season long, by a pretty considerable margin.
This is by far the best Cubs team I've ever witnessed in my 44 years. Not to mention the most fun.
I can definitely agree that the words "disappointment" and "failure" might be appropriate to describe a playoff push that ends short of a championship or at least WS appearance.
But the season? Nah, the season is already nothing short of a first-in-my-lifetime success, and nothing that could possibly happen from here on out can change that.
Especially factoring in that they've already well established that this is no one-year-wonder type of deal. They're still getting better, and even if it doesn't happen this year, the window isn't just wide the fuck open, it's actually getting wider. Now don't get me wrong, I'm 100% down with "strike now, the future is promised to no one." I get it. Win. It could very well be that ten years from now we look back and it turns out 2016 was in fact their best shot, and they blew it. At which point, it will in fact have been a huge, soul-crushing disappointment and failure. But that's a conclusion that can only be made with years of hindsight, and in the meantime, I sure as hell ain't betting on that being how it ends up going down.
It's really all moot anyway, because this shit is happening. Now. For real. This is BONERTIME. The Season of Splooge. Disappointment and/or failure are simply not realistic outcomes. High five.
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 11:30:53 AMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on September 27, 2016, 11:27:46 AM
Well, I'll be That Guy. 100+ wins. Good shot of winning the division by 20+ games. Best team in baseball all season long, by a pretty considerable margin.
This is by far the best Cubs team I've ever witnessed in my 44 years. Not to mention the most fun.
I can definitely agree that the words "disappointment" and "failure" might be appropriate to describe a playoff push that ends short of a championship or at least WS appearance.
But the season? Nah, the season is already nothing short of a first-in-my-lifetime success, and nothing that could possibly happen from here on out can change that.
Especially factoring in that they've already well established that this is no one-year-wonder type of deal. They're still getting better, and even if it doesn't happen this year, the window isn't just wide the fuck open, it's actually getting wider. Now don't get me wrong, I'm 100% down with "strike now, the future is promised to no one." I get it. Win. It could very well be that ten years from now we look back and it turns out 2016 was in fact their best shot, and they blew it. At which point, it will in fact have been a huge, soul-crushing disappointment and failure. But that's a conclusion that can only be made with years of hindsight, and in the meantime, I sure as hell ain't betting on that being how it ends up going down.
It's really all moot anyway, because this shit is happening. Now. For real. This is BONERTIME. The Season of Splooge. Disappointment and/or failure are simply not realistic outcomes. High five.
I know this is a common perception, and they should be good for years to come, but they won't be better than this. They will not have a historically great defense every year. Arrieta/Lester/Lackey will be another year older, then Arrieta might be gone. Kyle Hendricks may never put up a sub 2 ERA ever again. This is the best team they will field simply because it might be the best team anyone has fielded since the 1998 Yankees, it will be very hard to quantify this as anything other than a disappointment if they don't take advantage of this opportunity.
Doesn't mean anything other than "playoffs are random" will be to blame. Doesn't mean anyone will have to choke or fuck up or that Theo missed some key flaw in the team's construction, but it will be a disappointment.
Quote from: Canadouche on September 27, 2016, 11:42:10 AMQuote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 11:30:53 AMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on September 27, 2016, 11:27:46 AM
Well, I'll be That Guy. 100+ wins. Good shot of winning the division by 20+ games. Best team in baseball all season long, by a pretty considerable margin.
This is by far the best Cubs team I've ever witnessed in my 44 years. Not to mention the most fun.
I can definitely agree that the words "disappointment" and "failure" might be appropriate to describe a playoff push that ends short of a championship or at least WS appearance.
But the season? Nah, the season is already nothing short of a first-in-my-lifetime success, and nothing that could possibly happen from here on out can change that.
Especially factoring in that they've already well established that this is no one-year-wonder type of deal. They're still getting better, and even if it doesn't happen this year, the window isn't just wide the fuck open, it's actually getting wider. Now don't get me wrong, I'm 100% down with "strike now, the future is promised to no one." I get it. Win. It could very well be that ten years from now we look back and it turns out 2016 was in fact their best shot, and they blew it. At which point, it will in fact have been a huge, soul-crushing disappointment and failure. But that's a conclusion that can only be made with years of hindsight, and in the meantime, I sure as hell ain't betting on that being how it ends up going down.
It's really all moot anyway, because this shit is happening. Now. For real. This is BONERTIME. The Season of Splooge. Disappointment and/or failure are simply not realistic outcomes. High five.
I know this is a common perception, and they should be good for years to come, but they won't be better than this. They will not have a historically great defense every year. Arrieta/Lester/Lackey will be another year older, then Arrieta might be gone. Kyle Hendricks may never put up a sub 2 ERA ever again. This is the best team they will field simply because it might be the best team anyone has fielded since the 1998 Yankees, it will be very hard to quantify this as anything other than a disappointment if they don't take advantage of this opportunity.
Doesn't mean anything other than "playoffs are random" will be to blame. Doesn't mean anyone will have to choke or fuck up or that Theo missed some key flaw in the team's construction, but it will be a disappointment.
I wouldn't go so far. Without making a single move, the Cubs will be adding an offensive force to their outfield next year through Schwarber. Nobody expects the pitching to improve, it only has to maintain. The offense has not peaked.
That said, I fully expect the Cubs to try to upgrade on Hammel. The "easy" solution is grabbing a younger starter from a rebuilding team, whose contract they would control for a few years.
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 11:48:41 AM
Simply "maintaining" a historically great run prevention pace, especially with at least three starting pitchers well into their 30s and with another year of heavy innings loads on their arms, is not a simple task in the slightest. "just need to maintain arguably one of the best rotations in MLB history" is unbelievably difficult. The Cardinals had a historically good rotation last year and it fell to pieces this year. These Cubs are better and more talented than those Cardinals pitchers were, but there's still matters of luck, health, etc that will not be repeated next year.
They are adding Schwarber's offense, yes, but that also means they are adding his defense, not to mention they are likely to lose Dexter Fowler. Kris Bryant will probably not put up almost 9 wins a year every year, Bryce Harper managed over 9 WAR last year and this year he wont' even hit 4. That level of elite production is very, very, hard to sustain.
Also if there was anything at all "easy" about adding a "young cost-controlled starter" from a rebuilding team the Cubs would have done that already because that has been Theo's number one target for several offseasons and trade deadlines. Why would rebuilding teams trade young, cheap assets with multiple years of control? They don't.
The Cubs are great. There is a vast talent gap between them and the rest of MLB. Some of that is likely to erode next year. In their case that "erosion" will probably and hopefully mean going from a 110 win true talent team to a 95 win true talent team at worst, but they will not be this good again. This is the best opportunity. Not taking advantage of it would suck major ass and you're all lying to yourselves if you act like it won't.
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 11:48:41 AMThis is the best opportunity. Not taking advantage of it would suck major ass and you're all lying to yourselves if you act like it won't.
Quote from: Grandmaster Wang on September 27, 2016, 12:11:58 PMQuote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 11:48:41 AMThis is the best opportunity. Not taking advantage of it would suck major ass and you're all lying to yourselves if you act like it won't.
I think we're missing each other in the nuance here. OF COURSE it will be heartbreaking if they don't take this all the way. (Spoiler alert: They will.) But I believe the original question underpinning this here thought exercise was "At what point does THE SEASON go from success to failure?" and all I'm saying is that the first 100+ win season in 80 years is already historically successful and can't possibly become a failure on the whole at this point. Can it end in heartbreak? Of course. It always does. (Except that it won't, not this year, because they absolutely are doing this thing. It is known.) Your mileage may vary. All I'm saying is that in my estimation, the success that has been the 2016 season cannot be erased by whatever nine separate misfortunes which could potentially (in some kind of alternate reality) come next. Sure, it would suck. It won't erase the last 6 months.
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 12:33:53 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on September 27, 2016, 12:11:58 PMQuote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 11:48:41 AMThis is the best opportunity. Not taking advantage of it would suck major ass and you're all lying to yourselves if you act like it won't.
I think we're missing each other in the nuance here. OF COURSE it will be heartbreaking if they don't take this all the way. (Spoiler alert: They will.) But I believe the original question underpinning this here thought exercise was "At what point does THE SEASON go from success to failure?" and all I'm saying is that the first 100+ win season in 80 years is already historically successful and can't possibly become a failure on the whole at this point. Can it end in heartbreak? Of course. It always does. (Except that it won't, not this year, because they absolutely are doing this thing. It is known.) Your mileage may vary. All I'm saying is that in my estimation, the success that has been the 2016 season cannot be erased by whatever nine separate misfortunes which could potentially (in some kind of alternate reality) come next. Sure, it would suck. It won't erase the last 6 months.
If they fail to win the world series this year I will be heartbroken and disgusted and so bitter and angry I will probably avoid this place and all discussion of baseball until next year starts. If they win the world series next year then I will retroactively deem this year a success once again. I'll also fondly remember 2008, and talk openly about how cool Mark Prior was in 2003. Until said World Series redeems a lifetime of Cubs fandom, however, I'd be unable to look back at this season with anything other than pain.
If you can take a more positive spin on it, by all means, do you. I'm not a healthy individual, though.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 27, 2016, 11:56:09 AMHarper also had a manager who steadfastly refused to put Murphy behind him in the batting order the first half of the season.
Quote from: Canadouche on September 27, 2016, 11:42:10 AM
I wouldn't go so far. Without making a single move, the Cubs will be adding an offensive force to their outfield next year through Schwarber. Nobody expects the pitching to improve, it only has to maintain. The offense has not peaked.
That said, I fully expect the Cubs to try to upgrade on Hammel. The "easy" solution is grabbing a younger starter from a rebuilding team, whose contract they would control for a few years.
Quote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 12:33:53 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on September 27, 2016, 12:11:58 PMQuote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 11:48:41 AMThis is the best opportunity. Not taking advantage of it would suck major ass and you're all lying to yourselves if you act like it won't.
I think we're missing each other in the nuance here. OF COURSE it will be heartbreaking if they don't take this all the way. (Spoiler alert: They will.) But I believe the original question underpinning this here thought exercise was "At what point does THE SEASON go from success to failure?" and all I'm saying is that the first 100+ win season in 80 years is already historically successful and can't possibly become a failure on the whole at this point. Can it end in heartbreak? Of course. It always does. (Except that it won't, not this year, because they absolutely are doing this thing. It is known.) Your mileage may vary. All I'm saying is that in my estimation, the success that has been the 2016 season cannot be erased by whatever nine separate misfortunes which could potentially (in some kind of alternate reality) come next. Sure, it would suck. It won't erase the last 6 months.
If they fail to win the world series this year I will be heartbroken and disgusted and so bitter and angry I will probably avoid this place and all discussion of baseball until next year starts. If they win the world series next year then I will retroactively deem this year a success once again. I'll also fondly remember 2008, and talk openly about how cool Mark Prior was in 2003. Until said World Series redeems a lifetime of Cubs fandom, however, I'd be unable to look back at this season with anything other than pain.
If you can take a more positive spin on it, by all means, do you. I'm not a healthy individual, though.
Quote from: ChuckD on September 27, 2016, 01:15:32 PMQuote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 12:33:53 PMQuote from: Grandmaster Wang on September 27, 2016, 12:11:58 PMQuote from: SKO on September 27, 2016, 11:48:41 AMThis is the best opportunity. Not taking advantage of it would suck major ass and you're all lying to yourselves if you act like it won't.
I think we're missing each other in the nuance here. OF COURSE it will be heartbreaking if they don't take this all the way. (Spoiler alert: They will.) But I believe the original question underpinning this here thought exercise was "At what point does THE SEASON go from success to failure?" and all I'm saying is that the first 100+ win season in 80 years is already historically successful and can't possibly become a failure on the whole at this point. Can it end in heartbreak? Of course. It always does. (Except that it won't, not this year, because they absolutely are doing this thing. It is known.) Your mileage may vary. All I'm saying is that in my estimation, the success that has been the 2016 season cannot be erased by whatever nine separate misfortunes which could potentially (in some kind of alternate reality) come next. Sure, it would suck. It won't erase the last 6 months.
If they fail to win the world series this year I will be heartbroken and disgusted and so bitter and angry I will probably avoid this place and all discussion of baseball until next year starts. If they win the world series next year then I will retroactively deem this year a success once again. I'll also fondly remember 2008, and talk openly about how cool Mark Prior was in 2003. Until said World Series redeems a lifetime of Cubs fandom, however, I'd be unable to look back at this season with anything other than pain.
If you can take a more positive spin on it, by all means, do you. I'm not a healthy individual, though.
So basically the same as any other day following a Cubs loss?
Quote from: Bort on September 27, 2016, 01:01:59 PM
I guess I'm a freak, because I will definitely be very upset if they don't go all the way, but I'll probably get over it and have largely fond memories of this year even in the worst case scenario.
Quote from: Eli on September 27, 2016, 01:40:08 PMQuote from: Bort on September 27, 2016, 01:01:59 PM
I guess I'm a freak, because I will definitely be very upset if they don't go all the way, but I'll probably get over it and have largely fond memories of this year even in the worst case scenario.
I think I'd be the same way. There's no need this week to be overly doomsday, but it's hard to not be aware that the numbers say they're ~3x more likely to fail than win it. And those are their odds as a really elite team.
I've wondered if this detachment could work against me if they do end up winning it, but I could probably shove down those feelings pretty easily while wearing my 2016 World Series Champions T-shirt for 800 straight days.
Quote from: Oleg on September 28, 2016, 09:31:28 AM
With the Wilson Ramos injury, I started thinking that guys like Tim Buss and the training and medical staff of The Cubs don't get enough praise.
They've really had just one significant injury in the past 2 years and it was fluky.
I suppose we'll have to wait and see how Rondon's arm plays out.
And Soler has weird leg muscles.
But that's about it, huh?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 28, 2016, 09:35:46 AMQuote from: Oleg on September 28, 2016, 09:31:28 AM
With the Wilson Ramos injury, I started thinking that guys like Tim Buss and the training and medical staff of The Cubs don't get enough praise.
They've really had just one significant injury in the past 2 years and it was fluky.
I suppose we'll have to wait and see how Rondon's arm plays out.
And Soler has weird leg muscles.
But that's about it, huh?
Fowler missed a month this season.
Quote from: Oleg on September 28, 2016, 09:54:15 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on September 28, 2016, 09:35:46 AMQuote from: Oleg on September 28, 2016, 09:31:28 AM
With the Wilson Ramos injury, I started thinking that guys like Tim Buss and the training and medical staff of The Cubs don't get enough praise.
They've really had just one significant injury in the past 2 years and it was fluky.
I suppose we'll have to wait and see how Rondon's arm plays out.
And Soler has weird leg muscles.
But that's about it, huh?
Fowler missed a month this season.
Oh yeah.
Well, still seems impressive.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 28, 2016, 09:58:51 AMQuote from: Oleg on September 28, 2016, 09:54:15 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on September 28, 2016, 09:35:46 AMQuote from: Oleg on September 28, 2016, 09:31:28 AM
With the Wilson Ramos injury, I started thinking that guys like Tim Buss and the training and medical staff of The Cubs don't get enough praise.
They've really had just one significant injury in the past 2 years and it was fluky.
I suppose we'll have to wait and see how Rondon's arm plays out.
And Soler has weird leg muscles.
But that's about it, huh?
Fowler missed a month this season.
Oh yeah.
Well, still seems impressive.
More impressive was having Contreras and Almora ready to fill in instead of having to overpay for a stopgap veteran.
Quote from: Canadouche on September 29, 2016, 05:39:55 PM
Part of me is waiting for the Pirates to start playing dirty as revenge for the sustained, embarrassing beating they've been taking from the Cubs these last two years.
Quote from: Bort on September 29, 2016, 06:39:47 PMQuote from: Canadouche on September 29, 2016, 05:39:55 PM
Part of me is waiting for the Pirates to start playing dirty as revenge for the sustained, embarrassing beating they've been taking from the Cubs these last two years.
"Part of me is waiting for something to happen" is the most noncommittally Canadian thing I've ever heard that didn't also include an apology.
Quote from: Canadouche on September 29, 2016, 05:39:55 PM
Part of me is waiting for the Pirates to start playing dirty as revenge for the sustained, embarrassing beating they've been taking from the Cubs these last two years.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 02, 2016, 05:35:58 PM
Cubs vs. NL Central, 2016
Reds: 15-4 (.789)
Pirates: 14-4-1 (.737)
Brewers: 11-8 (.579)
Cardinals: 10-9 (.526)
Total: 50-25-1 (.658)
Quote from: R-V on October 03, 2016, 09:19:36 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on October 02, 2016, 05:35:58 PM
Cubs vs. NL Central, 2016
Reds: 15-4 (.789)
Pirates: 14-4-1 (.737)
Brewers: 11-8 (.579)
Cardinals: 10-9 (.526)
Total: 50-25-1 (.658)
I admit it...I have no idea why you keep posting updated Cubs records vs. NL Central teams.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 03, 2016, 10:18:53 AMQuote from: R-V on October 03, 2016, 09:19:36 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on October 02, 2016, 05:35:58 PM
Cubs vs. NL Central, 2016
Reds: 15-4 (.789)
Pirates: 14-4-1 (.737)
Brewers: 11-8 (.579)
Cardinals: 10-9 (.526)
Total: 50-25-1 (.658)
I admit it...I have no idea why you keep posting updated Cubs records vs. NL Central teams.
Same
Quote from: SKO on October 03, 2016, 10:31:40 AMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 03, 2016, 10:18:53 AMQuote from: R-V on October 03, 2016, 09:19:36 AMQuote from: Saul Goodman on October 02, 2016, 05:35:58 PM
Cubs vs. NL Central, 2016
Reds: 15-4 (.789)
Pirates: 14-4-1 (.737)
Brewers: 11-8 (.579)
Cardinals: 10-9 (.526)
Total: 50-25-1 (.658)
I admit it...I have no idea why you keep posting updated Cubs records vs. NL Central teams.
Same
On the other hand the Sox Bro who argued with me on twitter earlier this year that the Cubs would be a wildcard team in the powerhouse that is the AL Central is probably using the Cubs dominance of the NLC as proof of his theory, in some kind of ass backwards logic.
Quote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Between sending down La Stella in favor of Coghlan, giving Matusz a start because fuck it why not, and using Joel Peralta at all it feels like the Cubs are using the rest of the season for roster tinkering rather than winning which is pretty fucking dumb considering their lead is now longer even remotely close to insurmountable
QuoteExactly three months before Halloween, Theo Epstein was so pissed off at himself he started to bang on street signs. It was July 31, the day before the trade deadline, and the St. Louis Cardinals were threatening to winnow the Cubs' National League Central division lead, once 12½ games, to 5½. And Epstein thought it was all his fault.
A left-hander named Brian Matusz, like Arrieta a former Baltimore pitching prospect, started for the Cubs that night. Chicago was trying to build organizational depth and figured Matusz a safe risk, especially after he had pitched well at Triple-A. Matusz allowed a two-run homer in the first, second and third innings, and Epstein, hunkered down for days in trade talks, needed some fresh air. He and Hoyer decided to take a walk. They ended up going for miles – talking, self-flagellating and whacking signs out of frustration. Never again would he do this, put at risk the dynamic of the clubhouse Maddon spent so long building for a flight of fancy.
"I felt like I had personally cost the team a game in the pennant race," Epstein said.
"He took it personally," Hoyer said.
"I took it very personally," Epstein said.
"We were too cute about it," Hoyer said.
"We overthought it," Epstein said.
In the eighth inning, Epstein headed down to the Cubs' clubhouse, ready to own his mistake face to face with the players. He refused to run from his errors. If he wanted the respect of players, he needed to face them.
Quote from: SKO on November 08, 2016, 06:53:25 AMQuote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Between sending down La Stella in favor of Coghlan, giving Matusz a start because fuck it why not, and using Joel Peralta at all it feels like the Cubs are using the rest of the season for roster tinkering rather than winning which is pretty fucking dumb considering their lead is now longer even remotely close to insurmountable
It appears Theo is as big of a meatball as I am (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-theo-epstein-broke-another-curse-and-built-the-world-series-champion-cubs-155257017.html):QuoteExactly three months before Halloween, Theo Epstein was so pissed off at himself he started to bang on street signs. It was July 31, the day before the trade deadline, and the St. Louis Cardinals were threatening to winnow the Cubs' National League Central division lead, once 12½ games, to 5½. And Epstein thought it was all his fault.
A left-hander named Brian Matusz, like Arrieta a former Baltimore pitching prospect, started for the Cubs that night. Chicago was trying to build organizational depth and figured Matusz a safe risk, especially after he had pitched well at Triple-A. Matusz allowed a two-run homer in the first, second and third innings, and Epstein, hunkered down for days in trade talks, needed some fresh air. He and Hoyer decided to take a walk. They ended up going for miles – talking, self-flagellating and whacking signs out of frustration. Never again would he do this, put at risk the dynamic of the clubhouse Maddon spent so long building for a flight of fancy.
"I felt like I had personally cost the team a game in the pennant race," Epstein said.
"He took it personally," Hoyer said.
"I took it very personally," Epstein said.
"We were too cute about it," Hoyer said.
"We overthought it," Epstein said.
In the eighth inning, Epstein headed down to the Cubs' clubhouse, ready to own his mistake face to face with the players. He refused to run from his errors. If he wanted the respect of players, he needed to face them.
Quote from: R-V on November 08, 2016, 09:33:12 AMQuote from: SKO on November 08, 2016, 06:53:25 AMQuote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Between sending down La Stella in favor of Coghlan, giving Matusz a start because fuck it why not, and using Joel Peralta at all it feels like the Cubs are using the rest of the season for roster tinkering rather than winning which is pretty fucking dumb considering their lead is now longer even remotely close to insurmountable
It appears Theo is as big of a meatball as I am (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-theo-epstein-broke-another-curse-and-built-the-world-series-champion-cubs-155257017.html):QuoteExactly three months before Halloween, Theo Epstein was so pissed off at himself he started to bang on street signs. It was July 31, the day before the trade deadline, and the St. Louis Cardinals were threatening to winnow the Cubs' National League Central division lead, once 12½ games, to 5½. And Epstein thought it was all his fault.
A left-hander named Brian Matusz, like Arrieta a former Baltimore pitching prospect, started for the Cubs that night. Chicago was trying to build organizational depth and figured Matusz a safe risk, especially after he had pitched well at Triple-A. Matusz allowed a two-run homer in the first, second and third innings, and Epstein, hunkered down for days in trade talks, needed some fresh air. He and Hoyer decided to take a walk. They ended up going for miles – talking, self-flagellating and whacking signs out of frustration. Never again would he do this, put at risk the dynamic of the clubhouse Maddon spent so long building for a flight of fancy.
"I felt like I had personally cost the team a game in the pennant race," Epstein said.
"He took it personally," Hoyer said.
"I took it very personally," Epstein said.
"We were too cute about it," Hoyer said.
"We overthought it," Epstein said.
In the eighth inning, Epstein headed down to the Cubs' clubhouse, ready to own his mistake face to face with the players. He refused to run from his errors. If he wanted the respect of players, he needed to face them.
One of the thousands of interesting things about this year's team, and the construction of it, is that when the Cubs hired Theo I had a pretty un-nuanced view of him as a stat dweeb (and I love stats!) who did a funny thing in a gorilla suit once. And that couldn't be further than the truth - his mentality is basically 1/3 Huey (meatball), 1/3 Chuck Dickens (brainiac stat dweeb) and 1/3 Mark DeRosa (extremely likeable personality who works hard & plays hard) which it turns out is a great recipe for running a baseball team.
Quote from: R-V on November 08, 2016, 09:33:12 AM
1/3 Huey (meatball), 1/3 Chuck Dickens (brainiac stat dweeb) and 1/3 Mark DeRosa (extremely likeable personality who works hard & plays hard)
Quote from: R-V on November 08, 2016, 09:33:12 AMQuote from: SKO on November 08, 2016, 06:53:25 AMQuote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Between sending down La Stella in favor of Coghlan, giving Matusz a start because fuck it why not, and using Joel Peralta at all it feels like the Cubs are using the rest of the season for roster tinkering rather than winning which is pretty fucking dumb considering their lead is now longer even remotely close to insurmountable
It appears Theo is as big of a meatball as I am (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-theo-epstein-broke-another-curse-and-built-the-world-series-champion-cubs-155257017.html):QuoteExactly three months before Halloween, Theo Epstein was so pissed off at himself he started to bang on street signs. It was July 31, the day before the trade deadline, and the St. Louis Cardinals were threatening to winnow the Cubs' National League Central division lead, once 12½ games, to 5½. And Epstein thought it was all his fault.
A left-hander named Brian Matusz, like Arrieta a former Baltimore pitching prospect, started for the Cubs that night. Chicago was trying to build organizational depth and figured Matusz a safe risk, especially after he had pitched well at Triple-A. Matusz allowed a two-run homer in the first, second and third innings, and Epstein, hunkered down for days in trade talks, needed some fresh air. He and Hoyer decided to take a walk. They ended up going for miles – talking, self-flagellating and whacking signs out of frustration. Never again would he do this, put at risk the dynamic of the clubhouse Maddon spent so long building for a flight of fancy.
"I felt like I had personally cost the team a game in the pennant race," Epstein said.
"He took it personally," Hoyer said.
"I took it very personally," Epstein said.
"We were too cute about it," Hoyer said.
"We overthought it," Epstein said.
In the eighth inning, Epstein headed down to the Cubs' clubhouse, ready to own his mistake face to face with the players. He refused to run from his errors. If he wanted the respect of players, he needed to face them.
One of the thousands of interesting things about this year's team, and the construction of it, is that when the Cubs hired Theo I had a pretty un-nuanced view of him as a stat dweeb (and I love stats!) who did a funny thing in a gorilla suit once. And that couldn't be further than the truth - his mentality is basically 1/3 Huey (meatball), 1/3 Chuck Dickens (brainiac stat dweeb) and 1/3 Mark DeRosa (extremely likeable personality who works hard & plays hard) which it turns out is a great recipe for running a baseball team.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on November 08, 2016, 09:50:53 AMQuote from: R-V on November 08, 2016, 09:33:12 AMQuote from: SKO on November 08, 2016, 06:53:25 AMQuote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Between sending down La Stella in favor of Coghlan, giving Matusz a start because fuck it why not, and using Joel Peralta at all it feels like the Cubs are using the rest of the season for roster tinkering rather than winning which is pretty fucking dumb considering their lead is now longer even remotely close to insurmountable
It appears Theo is as big of a meatball as I am (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-theo-epstein-broke-another-curse-and-built-the-world-series-champion-cubs-155257017.html):QuoteExactly three months before Halloween, Theo Epstein was so pissed off at himself he started to bang on street signs. It was July 31, the day before the trade deadline, and the St. Louis Cardinals were threatening to winnow the Cubs' National League Central division lead, once 12½ games, to 5½. And Epstein thought it was all his fault.
A left-hander named Brian Matusz, like Arrieta a former Baltimore pitching prospect, started for the Cubs that night. Chicago was trying to build organizational depth and figured Matusz a safe risk, especially after he had pitched well at Triple-A. Matusz allowed a two-run homer in the first, second and third innings, and Epstein, hunkered down for days in trade talks, needed some fresh air. He and Hoyer decided to take a walk. They ended up going for miles – talking, self-flagellating and whacking signs out of frustration. Never again would he do this, put at risk the dynamic of the clubhouse Maddon spent so long building for a flight of fancy.
"I felt like I had personally cost the team a game in the pennant race," Epstein said.
"He took it personally," Hoyer said.
"I took it very personally," Epstein said.
"We were too cute about it," Hoyer said.
"We overthought it," Epstein said.
In the eighth inning, Epstein headed down to the Cubs' clubhouse, ready to own his mistake face to face with the players. He refused to run from his errors. If he wanted the respect of players, he needed to face them.
One of the thousands of interesting things about this year's team, and the construction of it, is that when the Cubs hired Theo I had a pretty un-nuanced view of him as a stat dweeb (and I love stats!) who did a funny thing in a gorilla suit once. And that couldn't be further than the truth - his mentality is basically 1/3 Huey (meatball), 1/3 Chuck Dickens (brainiac stat dweeb) and 1/3 Mark DeRosa (extremely likeable personality who works hard & plays hard) which it turns out is a great recipe for running a baseball team.
Fuck Mark DeRosa, you fanboy shitheel.
Quote from: R-V on November 08, 2016, 09:56:49 AMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on November 08, 2016, 09:50:53 AMQuote from: R-V on November 08, 2016, 09:33:12 AMQuote from: SKO on November 08, 2016, 06:53:25 AMQuote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Between sending down La Stella in favor of Coghlan, giving Matusz a start because fuck it why not, and using Joel Peralta at all it feels like the Cubs are using the rest of the season for roster tinkering rather than winning which is pretty fucking dumb considering their lead is now longer even remotely close to insurmountable
It appears Theo is as big of a meatball as I am (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-theo-epstein-broke-another-curse-and-built-the-world-series-champion-cubs-155257017.html):QuoteExactly three months before Halloween, Theo Epstein was so pissed off at himself he started to bang on street signs. It was July 31, the day before the trade deadline, and the St. Louis Cardinals were threatening to winnow the Cubs' National League Central division lead, once 12½ games, to 5½. And Epstein thought it was all his fault.
A left-hander named Brian Matusz, like Arrieta a former Baltimore pitching prospect, started for the Cubs that night. Chicago was trying to build organizational depth and figured Matusz a safe risk, especially after he had pitched well at Triple-A. Matusz allowed a two-run homer in the first, second and third innings, and Epstein, hunkered down for days in trade talks, needed some fresh air. He and Hoyer decided to take a walk. They ended up going for miles – talking, self-flagellating and whacking signs out of frustration. Never again would he do this, put at risk the dynamic of the clubhouse Maddon spent so long building for a flight of fancy.
"I felt like I had personally cost the team a game in the pennant race," Epstein said.
"He took it personally," Hoyer said.
"I took it very personally," Epstein said.
"We were too cute about it," Hoyer said.
"We overthought it," Epstein said.
In the eighth inning, Epstein headed down to the Cubs' clubhouse, ready to own his mistake face to face with the players. He refused to run from his errors. If he wanted the respect of players, he needed to face them.
One of the thousands of interesting things about this year's team, and the construction of it, is that when the Cubs hired Theo I had a pretty un-nuanced view of him as a stat dweeb (and I love stats!) who did a funny thing in a gorilla suit once. And that couldn't be further than the truth - his mentality is basically 1/3 Huey (meatball), 1/3 Chuck Dickens (brainiac stat dweeb) and 1/3 Mark DeRosa (extremely likeable personality who works hard & plays hard) which it turns out is a great recipe for running a baseball team.
Fuck Mark DeRosa, you fanboy shitheel.
I guess it's safe to say you took the bait.
Quote from: R-V on November 08, 2016, 09:56:49 AMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on November 08, 2016, 09:50:53 AMQuote from: R-V on November 08, 2016, 09:33:12 AMQuote from: SKO on November 08, 2016, 06:53:25 AMQuote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?
Between sending down La Stella in favor of Coghlan, giving Matusz a start because fuck it why not, and using Joel Peralta at all it feels like the Cubs are using the rest of the season for roster tinkering rather than winning which is pretty fucking dumb considering their lead is now longer even remotely close to insurmountable
It appears Theo is as big of a meatball as I am (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-theo-epstein-broke-another-curse-and-built-the-world-series-champion-cubs-155257017.html):QuoteExactly three months before Halloween, Theo Epstein was so pissed off at himself he started to bang on street signs. It was July 31, the day before the trade deadline, and the St. Louis Cardinals were threatening to winnow the Cubs' National League Central division lead, once 12½ games, to 5½. And Epstein thought it was all his fault.
A left-hander named Brian Matusz, like Arrieta a former Baltimore pitching prospect, started for the Cubs that night. Chicago was trying to build organizational depth and figured Matusz a safe risk, especially after he had pitched well at Triple-A. Matusz allowed a two-run homer in the first, second and third innings, and Epstein, hunkered down for days in trade talks, needed some fresh air. He and Hoyer decided to take a walk. They ended up going for miles – talking, self-flagellating and whacking signs out of frustration. Never again would he do this, put at risk the dynamic of the clubhouse Maddon spent so long building for a flight of fancy.
"I felt like I had personally cost the team a game in the pennant race," Epstein said.
"He took it personally," Hoyer said.
"I took it very personally," Epstein said.
"We were too cute about it," Hoyer said.
"We overthought it," Epstein said.
In the eighth inning, Epstein headed down to the Cubs' clubhouse, ready to own his mistake face to face with the players. He refused to run from his errors. If he wanted the respect of players, he needed to face them.
One of the thousands of interesting things about this year's team, and the construction of it, is that when the Cubs hired Theo I had a pretty un-nuanced view of him as a stat dweeb (and I love stats!) who did a funny thing in a gorilla suit once. And that couldn't be further than the truth - his mentality is basically 1/3 Huey (meatball), 1/3 Chuck Dickens (brainiac stat dweeb) and 1/3 Mark DeRosa (extremely likeable personality who works hard & plays hard) which it turns out is a great recipe for running a baseball team.
Fuck Mark DeRosa, you fanboy shitheel.
I guess it's safe to say you took the bait.
Quote from: SKO on November 08, 2016, 11:09:21 AM
I enjoy that Huey still hates Mark DeRosa, because this is me last week:
Me: God, I forgive them, I forgive them all. All the ex-Cubs can celebrate this!
Wife: oh look there's Ryan Dempster in the parade!
Me: oh...uhh...*twitching* okay then
Wife: What about Dusty Baker?
Me: Well, alright maybe not everyone is forgiven
Wife: Ryan Theriot?
Me: Fuck that shitheel.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on November 08, 2016, 11:18:28 AMQuote from: SKO on November 08, 2016, 11:09:21 AM
I enjoy that Huey still hates Mark DeRosa, because this is me last week:
Me: God, I forgive them, I forgive them all. All the ex-Cubs can celebrate this!
Wife: oh look there's Ryan Dempster in the parade!
Me: oh...uhh...*twitching* okay then
Wife: What about Dusty Baker?
Me: Well, alright maybe not everyone is forgiven
Wife: Ryan Theriot?
Me: Fuck that shitheel.
DeRosa is actually likeable. I heard him interviewed on the SCORE a few weeks ago and thought I was listening to clips from "Goodfellas" he sounds so much like Ray Liotta. He's got charisma, and he's also had the decency to stay the fuck out of the Cubs' way since shitting the tub in consecutive seasons.
I only took the bait because RV begged me to and who am I to disappoint?
But just so we're clear--even though the Cubs won it all I still want Ryan Dempster to die a slow, painful death, the sooner, the better, thanks. Jesus, that asshat is so immeasurably hateable.
Quote from: SKO on November 08, 2016, 11:22:13 AMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on November 08, 2016, 11:18:28 AMQuote from: SKO on November 08, 2016, 11:09:21 AM
I enjoy that Huey still hates Mark DeRosa, because this is me last week:
Me: God, I forgive them, I forgive them all. All the ex-Cubs can celebrate this!
Wife: oh look there's Ryan Dempster in the parade!
Me: oh...uhh...*twitching* okay then
Wife: What about Dusty Baker?
Me: Well, alright maybe not everyone is forgiven
Wife: Ryan Theriot?
Me: Fuck that shitheel.
DeRosa is actually likeable. I heard him interviewed on the SCORE a few weeks ago and thought I was listening to clips from "Goodfellas" he sounds so much like Ray Liotta. He's got charisma, and he's also had the decency to stay the fuck out of the Cubs' way since shitting the tub in consecutive seasons.
I only took the bait because RV begged me to and who am I to disappoint?
But just so we're clear--even though the Cubs won it all I still want Ryan Dempster to die a slow, painful death, the sooner, the better, thanks. Jesus, that asshat is so immeasurably hateable.
Yeah basically what I meant was I am giving Alex Gonzalez a full pardon and that I will love Derrek Lee and Aramis even more than I already did. I'm not about to hug Corey Patterson or something. Also I can now remember Mark Prior without wanting to die.
Quote from: Bort on November 08, 2016, 11:48:42 AMQuote from: SKO on November 08, 2016, 11:22:13 AMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on November 08, 2016, 11:18:28 AMQuote from: SKO on November 08, 2016, 11:09:21 AM
I enjoy that Huey still hates Mark DeRosa, because this is me last week:
Me: God, I forgive them, I forgive them all. All the ex-Cubs can celebrate this!
Wife: oh look there's Ryan Dempster in the parade!
Me: oh...uhh...*twitching* okay then
Wife: What about Dusty Baker?
Me: Well, alright maybe not everyone is forgiven
Wife: Ryan Theriot?
Me: Fuck that shitheel.
DeRosa is actually likeable. I heard him interviewed on the SCORE a few weeks ago and thought I was listening to clips from "Goodfellas" he sounds so much like Ray Liotta. He's got charisma, and he's also had the decency to stay the fuck out of the Cubs' way since shitting the tub in consecutive seasons.
I only took the bait because RV begged me to and who am I to disappoint?
But just so we're clear--even though the Cubs won it all I still want Ryan Dempster to die a slow, painful death, the sooner, the better, thanks. Jesus, that asshat is so immeasurably hateable.
Yeah basically what I meant was I am giving Alex Gonzalez a full pardon and that I will love Derrek Lee and Aramis even more than I already did. I'm not about to hug Corey Patterson or something. Also I can now remember Mark Prior without wanting to die.
I just threw an extra log on Snork's barn because my bullshit toleration still has its limits.
Quote from: Eli on November 08, 2016, 12:16:22 PMQuote from: Bort on November 08, 2016, 11:48:42 AMQuote from: SKO on November 08, 2016, 11:22:13 AMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on November 08, 2016, 11:18:28 AMQuote from: SKO on November 08, 2016, 11:09:21 AM
I enjoy that Huey still hates Mark DeRosa, because this is me last week:
Me: God, I forgive them, I forgive them all. All the ex-Cubs can celebrate this!
Wife: oh look there's Ryan Dempster in the parade!
Me: oh...uhh...*twitching* okay then
Wife: What about Dusty Baker?
Me: Well, alright maybe not everyone is forgiven
Wife: Ryan Theriot?
Me: Fuck that shitheel.
DeRosa is actually likeable. I heard him interviewed on the SCORE a few weeks ago and thought I was listening to clips from "Goodfellas" he sounds so much like Ray Liotta. He's got charisma, and he's also had the decency to stay the fuck out of the Cubs' way since shitting the tub in consecutive seasons.
I only took the bait because RV begged me to and who am I to disappoint?
But just so we're clear--even though the Cubs won it all I still want Ryan Dempster to die a slow, painful death, the sooner, the better, thanks. Jesus, that asshat is so immeasurably hateable.
Yeah basically what I meant was I am giving Alex Gonzalez a full pardon and that I will love Derrek Lee and Aramis even more than I already did. I'm not about to hug Corey Patterson or something. Also I can now remember Mark Prior without wanting to die.
I just threw an extra log on Snork's barn because my bullshit toleration still has its limits.
The Cubs kicking his ass in the NLDS should keep that flame going for eternity.
Quote from: SKO on November 08, 2016, 12:53:42 PMQuote from: Eli on November 08, 2016, 12:16:22 PMQuote from: Bort on November 08, 2016, 11:48:42 AMQuote from: SKO on November 08, 2016, 11:22:13 AMQuote from: Cannonball Titcomb on November 08, 2016, 11:18:28 AMQuote from: SKO on November 08, 2016, 11:09:21 AM
I enjoy that Huey still hates Mark DeRosa, because this is me last week:
Me: God, I forgive them, I forgive them all. All the ex-Cubs can celebrate this!
Wife: oh look there's Ryan Dempster in the parade!
Me: oh...uhh...*twitching* okay then
Wife: What about Dusty Baker?
Me: Well, alright maybe not everyone is forgiven
Wife: Ryan Theriot?
Me: Fuck that shitheel.
DeRosa is actually likeable. I heard him interviewed on the SCORE a few weeks ago and thought I was listening to clips from "Goodfellas" he sounds so much like Ray Liotta. He's got charisma, and he's also had the decency to stay the fuck out of the Cubs' way since shitting the tub in consecutive seasons.
I only took the bait because RV begged me to and who am I to disappoint?
But just so we're clear--even though the Cubs won it all I still want Ryan Dempster to die a slow, painful death, the sooner, the better, thanks. Jesus, that asshat is so immeasurably hateable.
Yeah basically what I meant was I am giving Alex Gonzalez a full pardon and that I will love Derrek Lee and Aramis even more than I already did. I'm not about to hug Corey Patterson or something. Also I can now remember Mark Prior without wanting to die.
I just threw an extra log on Snork's barn because my bullshit toleration still has its limits.
The Cubs kicking his ass in the NLDS should keep that flame going for eternity.
I wonder if he's figured out yet how a team can get better by trading Scott Feldman
(http://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2016_44/1779801/161104-jake-arrieta_91a7051637fbc60e9f555370bb0af07a.nbcnews-ux-600-480.jpg)
Quote from: Yeti on July 13, 2016, 08:36:53 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 13, 2016, 08:13:13 AMQuote from: flannj on July 12, 2016, 10:35:05 PM
I hate Bud Selig.
Fuck Selig.
Cubs in 6.
I heard a caller mention something about the 4 games in AL parks. He said, if it gets to game 7, that means the Cubs will have been able to put out an optimized batting order 4 games, as opposed to 3, and that may help them since I believe most of us agree the Cubs probably have the best lineup and great depth.
Also, 4 games of Schwarber
Quote from: CT III on November 15, 2016, 12:48:13 PMQuote from: Yeti on July 13, 2016, 08:36:53 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 13, 2016, 08:13:13 AMQuote from: flannj on July 12, 2016, 10:35:05 PM
I hate Bud Selig.
Fuck Selig.
Cubs in 6.
I heard a caller mention something about the 4 games in AL parks. He said, if it gets to game 7, that means the Cubs will have been able to put out an optimized batting order 4 games, as opposed to 3, and that may help them since I believe most of us agree the Cubs probably have the best lineup and great depth.
Also, 4 games of Schwarber
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 15, 2016, 12:52:51 PMQuote from: CT III on November 15, 2016, 12:48:13 PMQuote from: Yeti on July 13, 2016, 08:36:53 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 13, 2016, 08:13:13 AMQuote from: flannj on July 12, 2016, 10:35:05 PM
I hate Bud Selig.
Fuck Selig.
Cubs in 6.
I heard a caller mention something about the 4 games in AL parks. He said, if it gets to game 7, that means the Cubs will have been able to put out an optimized batting order 4 games, as opposed to 3, and that may help them since I believe most of us agree the Cubs probably have the best lineup and great depth.
Also, 4 games of Schwarber
Fortunately, Joe Maddon can influence home field in the 2017 World Series.
Quote from: ChuckD on November 15, 2016, 01:14:20 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on November 15, 2016, 12:52:51 PMQuote from: CT III on November 15, 2016, 12:48:13 PMQuote from: Yeti on July 13, 2016, 08:36:53 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 13, 2016, 08:13:13 AMQuote from: flannj on July 12, 2016, 10:35:05 PM
I hate Bud Selig.
Fuck Selig.
Cubs in 6.
I heard a caller mention something about the 4 games in AL parks. He said, if it gets to game 7, that means the Cubs will have been able to put out an optimized batting order 4 games, as opposed to 3, and that may help them since I believe most of us agree the Cubs probably have the best lineup and great depth.
Also, 4 games of Schwarber
Fortunately, Joe Maddon can influence home field in the 2017 World Series.
Can't wait to see Bartolo Colon in LF.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 15, 2016, 01:24:49 PMQuote from: ChuckD on November 15, 2016, 01:14:20 PMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on November 15, 2016, 12:52:51 PMQuote from: CT III on November 15, 2016, 12:48:13 PMQuote from: Yeti on July 13, 2016, 08:36:53 AMQuote from: Quality Start Machine on July 13, 2016, 08:13:13 AMQuote from: flannj on July 12, 2016, 10:35:05 PM
I hate Bud Selig.
Fuck Selig.
Cubs in 6.
I heard a caller mention something about the 4 games in AL parks. He said, if it gets to game 7, that means the Cubs will have been able to put out an optimized batting order 4 games, as opposed to 3, and that may help them since I believe most of us agree the Cubs probably have the best lineup and great depth.
Also, 4 games of Schwarber
Fortunately, Joe Maddon can influence home field in the 2017 World Series.
Can't wait to see Bartolo Colon in LF.
We all know Joe will use one of his manager's selections to make Travis Wood an All-Star (again).
Quote from: CBStew on January 11, 2017, 04:47:14 PM
Another reason to live the Cubs!
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cubs-choose-to-visit-white-house-in-president-obamas-final-days-in-office-030009932.html
Quote from: Bort on January 11, 2017, 05:35:57 PMQuote from: CBStew on January 11, 2017, 04:47:14 PM
Another reason to live the Cubs!
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cubs-choose-to-visit-white-house-in-president-obamas-final-days-in-office-030009932.html
Not only do they not have to shake Trump's piss-stained hands: they also get to troll the most famous White Sox fan.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on January 12, 2017, 07:22:20 PM
I'd rather the Cubs get congratulated by a Chicagoan than by ashitpeestain who rags on us every chance he gets.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on January 17, 2017, 12:12:40 AM
Glad they did this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehDF6U3tYpo) now instead of during the season. Donald Trump would have spent 40 minutes ranting about what a bitch Laura Ricketts is for supporting Crooked Hillary (as Todd Ricketts uncomfortably stared at his shoes).
Quote from: PenFoe on January 17, 2017, 03:52:43 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on January 17, 2017, 12:12:40 AM
Glad they did this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehDF6U3tYpo) now instead of during the season. Donald Trump would have spent 40 minutes ranting about what a bitch Laura Ricketts is for supporting Crooked Hillary (as Todd Ricketts uncomfortably stared at his shoes).
Cogs looks like he would have really preferred they waited another 4 days.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on January 17, 2017, 10:39:28 PMQuote from: PenFoe on January 17, 2017, 03:52:43 PMQuote from: Saul Goodman on January 17, 2017, 12:12:40 AM
Glad they did this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehDF6U3tYpo) now instead of during the season. Donald Trump would have spent 40 minutes ranting about what a bitch Laura Ricketts is for supporting Crooked Hillary (as Todd Ricketts uncomfortably stared at his shoes).
Cogs looks like he would have really preferred they waited another 4 days.
Not that I needed more reasons to hate him, but it works.