I know it's early, but I don't recall a season in which every single member of the Cubs' bullpen was a welcome sight - and by no fault of the starting rotation. Travis Wood has been getting tapped around lately but other than that, there has been nothing to complain about here. We have a well-deserved Rondon thread but the rest of these guys merit a thread of their own where we can comment on our hard percentage after they put games away with the precision they did last night.
Jedd Jerkoff, have a seat.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 20, 2016, 10:40:04 AM
I know it's early, but I don't recall a season in which every single member of the Cubs' bullpen was a welcome sight - and by no fault of the starting rotation. Travis Wood has been getting tapped around lately but other than that, there has been nothing to complain about here. We have a well-deserved Rondon thread but the rest of these guys merit a thread of their own where we can comment on our hard percentage after they put games away with the precision they did last night.
Jedd Jerkoff, have a seat.
Grichuk running his record up to 0 for 5 with 5 strikeouts against Strop by whiffing completely on three straight sliders was my favorite.
Totally agree. This is the best bullpen I can remember the Cubs having.
There's not one guy that I get nervous about seeing (early season alert acknowledged)
Quote from: PenFoe on April 20, 2016, 10:44:08 AM
Totally agree. This is the best bullpen I can remember the Cubs having.
There's not one guy that I get nervous about seeing (early season alert acknowledged)
I'm a touch concerned that Wood's velocity appears down from where it was after he switched to the pen last year, but guys add velocity as the year goes along, generally.
Even Neil Ramirez with his somewhat diminished fastball is an awfully good guy to have as your 4th or 5th best middle reliever as long as he can spot the fastball at 93/94 and still has his slider.
I love the fact that every start this season has gone at least 6 innings, and it only gets tougher from there.
I also wish I could come up with an entertaining nickname for Trevor Cahill, but "Pillsbury Throwboy" has already been used.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 20, 2016, 11:24:22 AM
I love the fact that every start this season has gone at least 6 innings, and it only gets tougher from there.
I also wish I could come up with an entertaining nickname for Trevor Cahill, but "Pillsbury Throwboy" has already been used.
Cakehill
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I love the fact that every start this season has gone at least 6 innings, and it only gets tougher from there.
I also wish I could come up with an entertaining nickname for Trevor Cahill, but "Pillsbury Throwboy" has already been used.
Cakehill
Cake
hole
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I love the fact that every start this season has gone at least 6 innings, and it only gets tougher from there.
I also wish I could come up with an entertaining nickname for Trevor Cahill, but "Pillsbury Throwboy" has already been used.
Cakehill
Cake hole
Rake mole.
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I love the fact that every start this season has gone at least 6 innings, and it only gets tougher from there.
I also wish I could come up with an entertaining nickname for Trevor Cahill, but "Pillsbury Throwboy" has already been used.
Cakehill
Cake hole
Rake mole.
Wacka mole
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I love the fact that every start this season has gone at least 6 innings, and it only gets tougher from there.
I also wish I could come up with an entertaining nickname for Trevor Cahill, but "Pillsbury Throwboy" has already been used.
Cakehill
Cake hole
Rake mole.
Wacka mole
Holy Moley!
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I love the fact that every start this season has gone at least 6 innings, and it only gets tougher from there.
I also wish I could come up with an entertaining nickname for Trevor Cahill, but "Pillsbury Throwboy" has already been used.
Cakehill
Cake hole
Rake mole.
Wacka mole
Trevor Cahilzobeanz
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I love the fact that every start this season has gone at least 6 innings, and it only gets tougher from there.
I also wish I could come up with an entertaining nickname for Trevor Cahill, but "Pillsbury Throwboy" has already been used.
Cakehill
Cake hole
Rake mole.
Wacka mole
Trevor Cahilzobeanz
Trevor "Made a Mountain out of a" Cahill
I had high hopes for this thread.
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I had high hopes for this thread.
What on earth would have led you to that conclusion
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I love the fact that every start this season has gone at least 6 innings, and it only gets tougher from there.
I also wish I could come up with an entertaining nickname for Trevor Cahill, but "Pillsbury Throwboy" has already been used.
Cakehill
Cake hole
Rake mole.
Wacka mole
Trevor Cahilzobeanz
Trevor "Made a Mountain out of a" Cahill
Shut up, Boomer.
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I love the fact that every start this season has gone at least 6 innings, and it only gets tougher from there.
I also wish I could come up with an entertaining nickname for Trevor Cahill, but "Pillsbury Throwboy" has already been used.
Cakehill
Cake hole
Rake mole.
Wacka mole
Trevor Cahilzobeanz
Trevor "Made a Mountain out of a" Cahill
Shut up, Boomer.
Dr. Trevorkian?
K-hill?
Nah. I got nothing.
K-Mountain?
I think Adam Warren + Bosio Wizardry is going to be the tits.
That two-seamer/sinker thing of Warren's looks absolutely filthy tonight. It moves almost exactly like his change, and (at least according to Pitch F/X) the release point for both is basically identical -- there's just a 10 mph spread between them.
I'm actually not minding Travis Wood right now.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 27, 2016, 08:36:46 AM
I'm actually not minding Travis Wood right now.
I think we all agreed sometime last year that bullpen Travis Wood is just fulfilling his destiny as SeanBearPig2
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I think Adam Warren + Bosio Wizardry is going to be the tits.
That two-seamer/sinker thing of Warren's looks absolutely filthy tonight. It moves almost exactly like his change, and (at least according to Pitch F/X) the release point for both is basically identical -- there's just a 10 mph spread between them.
I imagine they'll keep Hammel around next year with just a $10 mil option, but I'd really like to see what Warren could do as a full-time starter. There's probably not enough high-level pitching depth in the system to just boot Hammel entirely, so it may be another 2 years before we see it happen.
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I think Adam Warren + Bosio Wizardry is going to be the tits.
That two-seamer/sinker thing of Warren's looks absolutely filthy tonight. It moves almost exactly like his change, and (at least according to Pitch F/X) the release point for both is basically identical -- there's just a 10 mph spread between them.
I imagine they'll keep Hammel around next year with just a $10 mil option, but I'd really like to see what Warren could do as a full-time starter. There's probably not enough high-level pitching depth in the system to just boot Hammel entirely, so it may be another 2 years before we see it happen.
Yeah, agree. He definitely appears to have the arsenal to do it. He was moving the ball in and out last night and looked (I thought) really good.
Didn't miss a lot of bats and seems to be more of a pitch to contact guy, which would usually mean lower pitch counts/longer outings, but they were fouling him off like crazy.
It'd be great if they can convert him to a starter, but I think with the aforementioned Bosio-wizardry, he's going to be a really nice asset regardless.
Not this afternoon.
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Not this afternoon.
Pedro was due for one of his bad outings. Better a more or less meaningless contest with the Padres than in St. Louis.
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Not this afternoon.
Pedro was due for one of his bad outings. Better a more or less meaningless contest with the Padres than in St. Louis.
Yeah, heaven forbid the Cards get to 2 games over .500.
Jebus. 7 perfect innings
This pen's basically been solid, BUT when it goes down it completely shits the bed.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 31, 2016, 11:32:40 PM
This pen's basically been solid, BUT when it goes down it completely shits the bed.
In a related story, ropes can hold stuff, but when they break they can't hold stuff.
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on May 31, 2016, 11:32:40 PM
This pen's basically been solid, BUT when it goes down it completely shits the bed.
In a related story, ropes can hold stuff, but when they break they can't hold stuff.
Unit that pitches in high leverage situations tends to have negative impact on games when they perform poorly. Film at eleven.
Adam Warren should stop walking everyone on the planet, though.
You both missed the point. I was saying that this isn't the usual giving up 1-2 runs to blow a save or lose the game. It's that lately when the bullpen fucks up, it's big time with like 4-6 runs.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on June 01, 2016, 12:23:39 PM
You both missed the point. I was saying that this isn't the usual giving up 1-2 runs to blow a save or lose the game. It's that lately when the bullpen fucks up, it's big time with like 4-6 runs.
The Cubs have given up 4 runs or more 17 times this year. That arbitrary cut off is to allow for all situations where your theory might be valid. Of those 4+ RA, most of them have been mostly due to the SP. Here are the days it's been on the RPs:
4-15: Richard gives up 2 unearned runs in a 6-1 loss to Colorado
4-23: Cahill with 3, Ramirez with 2, and Richard with 2 given up during a 13-5 loss to Cincinnati. Nevermind Lackey got it started with 6 ER
5-6: Richard with 2, Grimm with 2 in an 8-6 win against Washington
(I think these next two are why you think it's an epidemic)
5-10: Grimm with 3, Warren with 1 during the 8-7 win against San Diego
5-11: Strop with 3, Ramirez with 1 during the first game of the DH loss against San Diego
5-13: Cahill with 2 ER in the 9th inning of a 9-4 win against Pittsburgh
5-25: Warren with 3 unearned runs from a Holliday HR in a 9-8 win against STL
5-31: that shit from last night.
So, I'd omit 4-23 because Cincinnati was hitting everyone. So, you have 5/6, 5/10, 5/11, 5/31. Doesn't really sound like an epidemic for the bullpen with the 6th best ERA.
The bullpen might be the weakest part of the team and the part that will be the focus at the trade deadline, but I think we can pump the brakes a little.
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on June 01, 2016, 12:23:39 PM
You both missed the point. I was saying that this isn't the usual giving up 1-2 runs to blow a save or lose the game. It's that lately when the bullpen fucks up, it's big time with like 4-6 runs.
The Cubs have given up 4 runs or more 17 times this year. That arbitrary cut off is to allow for all situations where your theory might be valid. Of those 4+ RA, most of them have been mostly due to the SP. Here are the days it's been on the RPs:
4-15: Richard gives up 2 unearned runs in a 6-1 loss to Colorado
4-23: Cahill with 3, Ramirez with 2, and Richard with 2 given up during a 13-5 loss to Cincinnati. Nevermind Lackey got it started with 6 ER
5-6: Richard with 2, Grimm with 2 in an 8-6 win against Washington
(I think these next two are why you think it's an epidemic)
5-10: Grimm with 3, Warren with 1 during the 8-7 win against San Diego
5-11: Strop with 3, Ramirez with 1 during the first game of the DH loss against San Diego
5-13: Cahill with 2 ER in the 9th inning of a 9-4 win against Pittsburgh
5-25: Warren with 3 unearned runs from a Holliday HR in a 9-8 win against STL
5-31: that shit from last night.
So, I'd omit 4-23 because Cincinnati was hitting everyone. So, you have 5/6, 5/10, 5/11, 5/31. Doesn't really sound like an epidemic for the bullpen with the 6th best ERA.
The bullpen might be the weakest part of the team and the part that will be the focus at the trade deadline, but I think we can pump the brakes a little.
*pats Yeti on the head, hands sabrecracker*
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on June 01, 2016, 12:23:39 PM
You both missed the point. I was saying that this isn't the usual giving up 1-2 runs to blow a save or lose the game. It's that lately when the bullpen fucks up, it's big time with like 4-6 runs.
The Cubs have given up 4 runs or more 17 times this year. That arbitrary cut off is to allow for all situations where your theory might be valid. Of those 4+ RA, most of them have been mostly due to the SP. Here are the days it's been on the RPs:
4-15: Richard gives up 2 unearned runs in a 6-1 loss to Colorado
4-23: Cahill with 3, Ramirez with 2, and Richard with 2 given up during a 13-5 loss to Cincinnati. Nevermind Lackey got it started with 6 ER
5-6: Richard with 2, Grimm with 2 in an 8-6 win against Washington
(I think these next two are why you think it's an epidemic)
5-10: Grimm with 3, Warren with 1 during the 8-7 win against San Diego
5-11: Strop with 3, Ramirez with 1 during the first game of the DH loss against San Diego
5-13: Cahill with 2 ER in the 9th inning of a 9-4 win against Pittsburgh
5-25: Warren with 3 unearned runs from a Holliday HR in a 9-8 win against STL
5-31: that shit from last night.
So, I'd omit 4-23 because Cincinnati was hitting everyone. So, you have 5/6, 5/10, 5/11, 5/31. Doesn't really sound like an epidemic for the bullpen with the 6th best ERA.
The bullpen might be the weakest part of the team and the part that will be the focus at the trade deadline, but I think we can pump the brakes a little.
*pats Yeti on the head, hands sabrecracker*
He had plenty of time during ADULT REVOLT to assemble a datase.
Justin Grimm really wants to get his buddy Hector some save opps. Pretty cool of him.
Again with this shit...no clue why Joe even brought in anyone with Lester giving up all of 4 hits and only being at 95 pitches. Don't agree with that call at all. 6-0 lead and under 100, give him a shot to finish it.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on June 06, 2016, 09:17:46 PM
Again with this shit...no clue why Joe even brought in anyone with Lester giving up all of 4 hits and only being at 95 pitches. Don't agree with that call at all. 6-0 lead and under 100, give him a shot to finish it.
They had a 6-0 lead and they are up 10 games on June 6th. Save Lester's bullets for when it actually matters. Going to the pen was the right move. They still won by 2 runs, man
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on June 06, 2016, 09:17:46 PM
Again with this shit...no clue why Joe even brought in anyone with Lester giving up all of 4 hits and only being at 95 pitches. Don't agree with that call at all. 6-0 lead and under 100, give him a shot to finish it.
They had a 6-0 lead and they are up 10 games on June 6th. Save Lester's bullets for when it actually matters. Going to the pen was the right move. They still won by 2 runs, man
And, he threw 113 last time out, which I think was a season high. All good.
Little concerned about Grimm lately but it's probably nothing. Relievers, man. I was getting all down on Adam Warren and then he got some big outs in the AZ series.
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Little concerned about Grimm lately but it's probably nothing. Relievers, man. I was getting all down on Adam Warren and then he got some big outs in the AZ series.
We'll see how Grimm bounces back. He had two or three stretches last year where he couldn't get anybody out (remember last year's series in Philly?) but rebounded nicely each time. For now it doesn't seem like Joe has him fourth or even fifth in the pecking order behind Rondon/Strop/Warren/Wood.
The bullpen has displeased Julie DiCaro, who writes:
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I was away from the TV, but why didn't Lester pitch the 9th?
#Analysis
Clayton Richard would have figured out how to face 3 guys and give up 7 runs.
We should just have the starters pitch 9 innings every game. Then we wouldn't need a bullpen and we could bring up our young studs like Almora, Happ and Murton.
I'm fucking done with Grimm/Richard. They can just find their own ways home. Their own homes please, not Chicago.
It's about time we add Warren to this list of GTFO relievers. Can he strand ANYONE?
Not that I'm at all superstitious, but the bullpen collapse coincided with the moment I turned the game on. After the fourth run bled in, I got the message and am now off to bed.
May 21 - 8 appearances ago - was the last time Clayton Richard appeared in a game without allowing a baserunner.
He's fucking putrid.
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May 21 - 8 appearances ago - was the last time Clayton Richard appeared in a game without allowing a baserunner.
He's fucking putrid.
On the one hand you could say he's been markedly unlucky. He's allowing a .408 BABIP and he's allowing hard contact on only 16.3% of balls put in play against him, which is really good. He's got an insanely good groundball rate of over 70%. Positive regression should be coming at some point, you'd think.
On the other hand, when you throw a 91 MPH fastball with no movement 81% of the time, get basically no strikeouts, and allow guys to put the ball in play 88% of the time, you're going to give up a shit ton of hits.
He's not as bad as he's been, he's also not good enough.
Sucks
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Sucks
The thread title still fits. Just not as originally intended.
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Sucks
The thread title still fits. Just not as originally intended.
Wait--why is Joel Peralta again?
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Sucks
The thread title still fits. Just not as originally intended.
Wait--why is Joel Peralta again?
I said something on twitter about how Joe basically screwed them over by overthinking things and I got some shit for it but I stand by it. I'm not really worried about .158 hitting De Aza's handedness, especially if a 40 year old reliever with shitty stuff and reverse splits is the matchup you want to go with there. I understand not wanting to go to Strop too early (although considering Joe brought him in just one batter later it would have made sense to me to go to him the second Peralta walked De Aza to put a RISP and showed yet again he didn't have anything), but Cahill could get a ground ball, or even Spencer Patton has at least flashed enough major league stuff to go after a crappy pinch hitter and a struggling rookie.
If Lackey had left after five and Joe needed to somehow try to squeeze 12 outs out of this group with Edwards and Grimm presumably unavailable, fine, use Peralta, but in a pretty standard set up situation just go with Cahill or Patton or anyone with any kind of fastball against two shitty hitters and call it a day.
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Sucks
The thread title still fits. Just not as originally intended.
Wait--why is Joel Peralta again?
I said something on twitter about how Joe basically screwed them over by overthinking things and I got some shit for it but I stand by it. I'm not really worried about .158 hitting De Aza's handedness, especially if a 40 year old reliever with shitty stuff and reverse splits is the matchup you want to go with there. I understand not wanting to go to Strop too early (although considering Joe brought him in just one batter later it would have made sense to me to go to him the second Peralta walked De Aza to put a RISP and showed yet again he didn't have anything), but Cahill could get a ground ball, or even Spencer Patton has at least flashed enough major league stuff to go after a crappy pinch hitter and a struggling rookie.
If Lackey had left after five and Joe needed to somehow try to squeeze 12 outs out of this group with Edwards and Grimm presumably unavailable, fine, use Peralta, but in a pretty standard set up situation just go with Cahill or Patton or anyone with any kind of fastball against two shitty hitters and call it a day.
On the bright side, an 11-game lead gives Joe a fuckload of margin for error. But Jesus fucking Christ, Peralta makes me hope Clayton Richard comes back soon.
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Sucks
The thread title still fits. Just not as originally intended.
Wait--why is Joel Peralta again?
I said something on twitter about how Joe basically screwed them over by overthinking things and I got some shit for it but I stand by it. I'm not really worried about .158 hitting De Aza's handedness, especially if a 40 year old reliever with shitty stuff and reverse splits is the matchup you want to go with there. I understand not wanting to go to Strop too early (although considering Joe brought him in just one batter later it would have made sense to me to go to him the second Peralta walked De Aza to put a RISP and showed yet again he didn't have anything), but Cahill could get a ground ball, or even Spencer Patton has at least flashed enough major league stuff to go after a crappy pinch hitter and a struggling rookie.
If Lackey had left after five and Joe needed to somehow try to squeeze 12 outs out of this group with Edwards and Grimm presumably unavailable, fine, use Peralta, but in a pretty standard set up situation just go with Cahill or Patton or anyone with any kind of fastball against two shitty hitters and call it a day.
On the bright side, an 11-game lead gives Joe a fuckload of margin for error. But Jesus fucking Christ, Peralta makes me hope Clayton Richard comes back soon.
Yeah, I get that argument, I don't want him riding Rondon and Strop into the ground trying to win games in June, but that's why I said I'd have even been fine with Patton or whatever. I have a quicker trigger than most, obviously, but Peralta was already released by another team and with the Cubs he'd done nothing other than allow a rocket by Votto that left the yard and one that fortunately found Zobrist's glove. In a situation where they only need to get 9 outs I'd rather just see Joe use the pitchers with the best stuff out there against slapdicks like De Aza rather than get cute about matchups so he has an excuse to use a washed up 40 year old.
Such a shame that the entire internet is a better tactician than Joe Maddon.
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Such a shame that the entire internet is a better tactician than Joe Maddon.
DARPA had a five year study that concluded that one should never use Joel Peralta in a close game.
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I'm fascinated by this year's trading deadline. How serious of a problem does Theo view the bullpen? Will he keep trying to get lucky with garbage bin pickups? (I bet they sign Yohan Flande.) Will they go for a middle tier pick up? Or will he trade real assets for elite bullpen help? If every chance to win is sacred, and their World Series odds are the best in the league right damn now, what will it be?
Cahill has been pretty decent lately, today's pants shitting notwithstanding.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 06, 2016, 04:44:16 PM
Cahill has been pretty decent lately, today's pants shitting notwithstanding.
2 bloops and a wind-blown blast. Rather the Pillsbury Throwboy have an outing like that now than in the playoffs.
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Cahill has been pretty decent lately, today's pants shitting notwithstanding.
2 bloops and a wind-blown blast. Rather the Pillsbury Throwboy have an outing like that now than in the playoffs.
Today was largely unlucky but he's walking almost 5 per 9 and his FIP is over 4.00. He's stranded 88% despite a career strand rate of 72%. He's been more lucky than good this year. I like him as a long man in a much deeper pen post-deadline, hopefully.
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Cahill has been pretty decent lately, today's pants shitting notwithstanding.
2 bloops and a wind-blown blast. Rather the Pillsbury Throwboy have an outing like that now than in the playoffs.
I don't think today's outing precludes him having a similar one in the playoffs.
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Cahill has been pretty decent lately, today's pants shitting notwithstanding.
2 bloops and a wind-blown blast. Rather the Pillsbury Throwboy have an outing like that now than in the playoffs.
I don't think today's outing precludes him having a similar one in the playoffs.
We have a quota system in place for shitty outings. Clayton Richard isn't giving up a hit the rest of the way.
Rooting they get Miller for sure, and at least one more guy (someone like Abad, Doolittle, Jeffress, maybe even Melancon in his walk year if the Pirates get desperate). GET IT DONE TH
The nice thing is they're essentially locked in for the playoffs. They have the luxury of not having to panic and overpay now. Hope that works in their favor.
I'll step aside for GM Fork to break it down enough for us chumps to understand.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 07, 2016, 01:47:47 PM
Rooting they get Miller for sure, and at least one more guy (someone like Abad, Doolittle, Jeffress, maybe even Melancon in his walk year if the Pirates get desperate). GET IT DONE TH
The nice thing is they're essentially locked in for the playoffs. They have the luxury of not having to panic and overpay now. Hope that works in their favor.
I'll step aside for GM Fork to break it down enough for us chumps to understand.
But first, I have to hire SKO as my manager.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 07, 2016, 01:47:47 PM
Rooting they get Miller for sure, and at least one more guy (someone like Abad, Doolittle, Jeffress, maybe even Melancon in his walk year if the Pirates get desperate). GET IT DONE TH
The nice thing is they're essentially locked in for the playoffs. They have the luxury of not having to panic and overpay now. Hope that works in their favor.
I'll step aside for GM Fork to break it down enough for us chumps to understand.
I'm all in favor of Melancon. For that to happen, the Cubs need to put about 5 to 10 games on the Pirates in the next 24 days. Ehh...
Hector blowing 3 of his last 5 save opportunities doesn't help either
This bullpen issue's spreading like the HIV.
Is Joe Nathan still a thing?
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2016, 10:00:23 AM
Is Joe Nathan still a thing?
looking pretty good in AA so far.
In search of bright spots, Carl Edwards Jr. is looking good.
Joe trusting him with the 8th inning in a one-run ballgame was either out of confidence or desperation, but fuck it, it worked.
Great decision by Joe to go with choking Hector in the non-save situation, because he's been so good in those this year. Oh, wait...
But whatever, this loss is on Montero being less than useless and Heyward's terrible baserunning.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:00:29 PM
Great decision by Joe to go with choking Hector in the non-save situation, because he's been so good in those this year. Oh, wait...
But whatever, this loss is on Montero being less than useless and Heyward's terrible baserunning.
Coming into tonight he had a 1.54 ERA and a 0.686 WHIP in non save situations. Go back to your cave
Quote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 09:20:26 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:00:29 PM
Great decision by Joe to go with choking Hector in the non-save situation, because he's been so good in those this year. Oh, wait...
But whatever, this loss is on Montero being less than useless and Heyward's terrible baserunning.
Coming into tonight he had a 1.54 ERA and a 0.686 WHIP in non save situations. Go back to your cave
Oh, wait...
Quote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 09:20:26 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:00:29 PM
Great decision by Joe to go with choking Hector in the non-save situation, because he's been so good in those this year. Oh, wait...
But whatever, this loss is on Montero being less than useless and Heyward's terrible baserunning.
Coming into tonight he had a 1.54 ERA and a 0.686 WHIP in non save situations. Go back to your cave
Okay - to be more precise, in non-save situations with the game tied or one-run saves. He's been good in non-save situations in blowouts/mop up duty and with a multi-run lead, but he's rank dogshit when you need nails...he's 6/10 in one-run save situations and has blown 2/3 situations where he's pitched with the game tied.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:35:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 09:20:26 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:00:29 PM
Great decision by Joe to go with choking Hector in the non-save situation, because he's been so good in those this year. Oh, wait...
But whatever, this loss is on Montero being less than useless and Heyward's terrible baserunning.
Coming into tonight he had a 1.54 ERA and a 0.686 WHIP in non save situations. Go back to your cave
Okay - to be more precise, in non-save situations with the game tied or one-run saves. He's been good in non-save situations in blowouts/mop up duty and with a multi-run lead, but he's rank dogshit when you need nails...he's 6/10 in one-run save situations and has blown 2/3 situations where he's pitched with the game tied.
So wait....you mean he gives up runs some times? The fucking nerve
Quote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 09:51:21 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:35:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 09:20:26 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:00:29 PM
Great decision by Joe to go with choking Hector in the non-save situation, because he's been so good in those this year. Oh, wait...
But whatever, this loss is on Montero being less than useless and Heyward's terrible baserunning.
Coming into tonight he had a 1.54 ERA and a 0.686 WHIP in non save situations. Go back to your cave
Okay - to be more precise, in non-save situations with the game tied or one-run saves. He's been good in non-save situations in blowouts/mop up duty and with a multi-run lead, but he's rank dogshit when you need nails...he's 6/10 in one-run save situations and has blown 2/3 situations where he's pitched with the game tied.
So wait....you mean he gives up runs some times? The fucking nerve
Disproportionately at all the wrong times...
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:54:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 09:51:21 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:35:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 09:20:26 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:00:29 PM
Great decision by Joe to go with choking Hector in the non-save situation, because he's been so good in those this year. Oh, wait...
But whatever, this loss is on Montero being less than useless and Heyward's terrible baserunning.
Coming into tonight he had a 1.54 ERA and a 0.686 WHIP in non save situations. Go back to your cave
Okay - to be more precise, in non-save situations with the game tied or one-run saves. He's been good in non-save situations in blowouts/mop up duty and with a multi-run lead, but he's rank dogshit when you need nails...he's 6/10 in one-run save situations and has blown 2/3 situations where he's pitched with the game tied.
So wait....you mean he gives up runs some times? The fucking nerve
Disproportionately at all the wrong times...
He is a closer. He pitches almost exclusively in high leverage situations which means it will always hurt when he gives up runs. He's really fucking good and has an ERA below 2.00 and an otherwordly K:BB ratio. He got beat by a stupid ass bloop single. It's infantile to bitch about Hector Rondon.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:54:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 09:51:21 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:35:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 09:20:26 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:00:29 PM
Great decision by Joe to go with choking Hector in the non-save situation, because he's been so good in those this year. Oh, wait...
But whatever, this loss is on Montero being less than useless and Heyward's terrible baserunning.
Coming into tonight he had a 1.54 ERA and a 0.686 WHIP in non save situations. Go back to your cave
Okay - to be more precise, in non-save situations with the game tied or one-run saves. He's been good in non-save situations in blowouts/mop up duty and with a multi-run lead, but he's rank dogshit when you need nails...he's 6/10 in one-run save situations and has blown 2/3 situations where he's pitched with the game tied.
So wait....you mean he gives up runs some times? The fucking nerve
Disproportionately at all the wrong times...
I feel the same way about your posts.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 20, 2016, 08:28:51 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:54:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 09:51:21 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:35:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 09:20:26 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:00:29 PM
Great decision by Joe to go with choking Hector in the non-save situation, because he's been so good in those this year. Oh, wait...
But whatever, this loss is on Montero being less than useless and Heyward's terrible baserunning.
Coming into tonight he had a 1.54 ERA and a 0.686 WHIP in non save situations. Go back to your cave
Okay - to be more precise, in non-save situations with the game tied or one-run saves. He's been good in non-save situations in blowouts/mop up duty and with a multi-run lead, but he's rank dogshit when you need nails...he's 6/10 in one-run save situations and has blown 2/3 situations where he's pitched with the game tied.
So wait....you mean he gives up runs some times? The fucking nerve
Disproportionately at all the wrong times...
I feel the same way about your posts.
I think his posts were exactly what I needed this morning.
I've had kind of a weird week...not sleeping much, feeling just a bit off-balance, work has been up and down, the dog puked in the back seat yesterday, Facebook and Twitter has been a shitshow thanks to the RNC and everyone getting their knickers in a bunch because Mrs Drumpf decided to plagiarize Mrs Obummer (I mean it's amusing and shit but still...) instead of at the bullshit that's being spewed by the actual policy makers and influencers in Cleveland, and it's been too fucking muggy out.
Then, Cy Jake appeared last night and all was right with the world for a couple of hours. Then, the frustration of the ninth inning happened and all the positive vibrations that accumulated from 6-8:20 or so were wiped away.
I'm in a crabby mood this morning and am finding it best to wait a few minutes before replying to any emails that further my frustration. I didn't even want to come in here cause it was simply a frustrating game and, dammit, I want to SKOscream at my monitor and no amount of reason can stop me.
The remedy? The delightful ignorance and arrogance of CFiHP. So, for once, thank you for putting me back on a path of rational thought and level-headedness. You are truly a vaccine for overreaction and blowing things out of proportion.
Quote from: Oleg on July 20, 2016, 09:22:10 AM
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:54:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 09:51:21 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:35:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 19, 2016, 09:20:26 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:00:29 PM
Great decision by Joe to go with choking Hector in the non-save situation, because he's been so good in those this year. Oh, wait...
But whatever, this loss is on Montero being less than useless and Heyward's terrible baserunning.
Coming into tonight he had a 1.54 ERA and a 0.686 WHIP in non save situations. Go back to your cave
Okay - to be more precise, in non-save situations with the game tied or one-run saves. He's been good in non-save situations in blowouts/mop up duty and with a multi-run lead, but he's rank dogshit when you need nails...he's 6/10 in one-run save situations and has blown 2/3 situations where he's pitched with the game tied.
So wait....you mean he gives up runs some times? The fucking nerve
Disproportionately at all the wrong times...
I feel the same way about your posts.
I think his posts were exactly what I needed this morning.
I've had kind of a weird week...not sleeping much, feeling just a bit off-balance, work has been up and down, the dog puked in the back seat yesterday, Facebook and Twitter has been a shitshow thanks to the RNC and everyone getting their knickers in a bunch because Mrs Drumpf decided to plagiarize Mrs Obummer (I mean it's amusing and shit but still...) instead of at the bullshit that's being spewed by the actual policy makers and influencers in Cleveland, and it's been too fucking muggy out.
Then, Cy Jake appeared last night and all was right with the world for a couple of hours. Then, the frustration of the ninth inning happened and all the positive vibrations that accumulated from 6-8:20 or so were wiped away.
I'm in a crabby mood this morning and am finding it best to wait a few minutes before replying to any emails that further my frustration. I didn't even want to come in here cause it was simply a frustrating game and, dammit, I want to SKOscream at my monitor and no amount of reason can stop me.
The remedy? The delightful ignorance and arrogance of CFiHP. So, for once, thank you for putting me back on a path of rational thought and level-headedness. You are truly a vaccine for overreaction and blowing things out of proportion.
No shit, whenever he posts I think "my god, is that what I sound like when I'm all pissed off?" and the shame forces me to confront things rationally and also to tell him to go fuck himself.
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2016, 09:27:15 AMNo shit, whenever he posts I think "my god, is that what I sound like when I'm all pissed off?"
Yes
Quote from: R-V on July 20, 2016, 09:30:16 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2016, 09:27:15 AMNo shit, whenever he posts I think "my god, is that what I sound like when I'm all pissed off?"
Yes
NOW CONFRONT YOURSELF
Quote from: PANK! on July 20, 2016, 09:35:08 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 20, 2016, 09:30:16 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2016, 09:27:15 AMNo shit, whenever he posts I think "my god, is that what I sound like when I'm all pissed off?"
Yes
NOW CONFRONT YOURSELF
At least I'm usually bitching about someone who is actually struggling, like Heyward, and not Hector Rondon. Or calling Jon Lester an overpaid dickhole like some people I know.
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2016, 09:38:19 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 20, 2016, 09:35:08 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 20, 2016, 09:30:16 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2016, 09:27:15 AMNo shit, whenever he posts I think "my god, is that what I sound like when I'm all pissed off?"
Yes
NOW CONFRONT YOURSELF
At least I'm usually bitching about someone who is actually struggling, like Heyward, and not Hector Rondon. Or calling Jon Lester an overpaid dickhole like some people I know.
I'll wear it.
Quote from: PANK! on July 20, 2016, 09:41:32 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2016, 09:38:19 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 20, 2016, 09:35:08 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 20, 2016, 09:30:16 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2016, 09:27:15 AMNo shit, whenever he posts I think "my god, is that what I sound like when I'm all pissed off?"
Yes
NOW CONFRONT YOURSELF
At least I'm usually bitching about someone who is actually struggling, like Heyward, and not Hector Rondon. Or calling Jon Lester an overpaid dickhole like some people I know.
I'll wear it.
That's alright, when the Cubs win the world series this year I assume I'll have to wear every negative tweet and ranting desipio post around like Marley's chains and I'll do it with a smile.
Quote from: R-V on July 20, 2016, 09:30:16 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 20, 2016, 09:27:15 AMNo shit, whenever he posts I think "my god, is that what I sound like when I'm all pissed off?"
Yes
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:00:29 PM
Great decision by Joe to go with choking Hector in the non-save situation, because he's been so good in those this year. Oh, wait...
But whatever, this loss is on Montero being less than useless and Heyward's terrible baserunning.
ANOTHER hit in a non-save situation. Almost blew the game and the series. What an asshole this guy is. DFA "Choking Hector" immediately. Sad!
...just became a death squad.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 25, 2016, 11:36:11 AM
...just became a death squad.
Not surprising given Chapman's enthusiasm for guns
Grimm has been really good lately.
Can Aroldis throw a 105 mph heater to burn whatever that is off Tyler Saladino's face
So this is what having an elite bullpen is like. 3 IP. 1 H. 0 R. 1 BB. 5 SO.
Not bad. I'm trying not to think about what kind of person the guy at the end might be, but still. Strop looked really good tonight too. Thanks, Orioles.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 29, 2016, 01:49:52 AM
So this is what having an elite bullpen is like. 3 IP. 1 H. 0 R. 1 BB. 5 SO.
Not bad. I'm trying not to think about what kind of person the guy at the end might be, but still. Strop looked really good tonight too. Thanks, Orioles.
I've basically reconciled it in my mind to, he's a shitbag who is helping the guys I like win. And it's better than him being San Francisco's shitbag. So...yay?
There were a number of fans questioning the move of pulling Lackey after six, and I really don't know how anyone could prefer a third time through the order of John Lackey to a well-rested Pedro Strop. Hell I'm not sure there's any Cubs starter right now I don't want Joe to pull after six if the game is close and Strop/Rondon/Chapman are rested.
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 07:26:17 AM
There were a number of fans questioning the move of pulling Lackey after six, and I really don't know how anyone could prefer a third time through the order of John Lackey to a well-rested Pedro Strop. Hell I'm not sure there's any Cubs starter right now I don't want Joe to pull after six if the game is close and Strop/Rondon/Chapman are rested.
Maybe it's just a semantic difference, but getting pinch hit for (granted, by David Ross) with two on and two out in a one-run game isn't "getting pulled" to me.
Quote from: Shooter on July 29, 2016, 08:42:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 07:26:17 AM
There were a number of fans questioning the move of pulling Lackey after six, and I really don't know how anyone could prefer a third time through the order of John Lackey to a well-rested Pedro Strop. Hell I'm not sure there's any Cubs starter right now I don't want Joe to pull after six if the game is close and Strop/Rondon/Chapman are rested.
Maybe it's just a semantic difference, but getting pinch hit for (granted, by David Ross) with two on and two out in a one-run game isn't "getting pulled" to me.
I agree. He was in line for the win and he'd already notched a quality start. Both meaningless stats to us but I know pitchers do care about them. He wasn't pulled, he did his job and then the bullpen did theirs. When you have a bullpen his good you should use it.
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 07:26:17 AM
There were a number of fans questioning the move of pulling Lackey after six, and I really don't know how anyone could prefer a third time through the order of John Lackey to a well-rested Pedro Strop. Hell I'm not sure there's any Cubs starter right now I don't want Joe to pull after six if the game is close and Strop/Rondon/Chapman are rested.
And, if they're not rested, you still have Edwards, Nathan, and (hopefully good) Grimm.
I almost wish would start mixing and matching instead of always going to those three in a predictable manner. Sun in Edwards for Strop or Rondon once in a while, let Nathan pitch a 7th inning...whatever.
Man, this may be fun.
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2016, 08:57:37 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 07:26:17 AM
There were a number of fans questioning the move of pulling Lackey after six, and I really don't know how anyone could prefer a third time through the order of John Lackey to a well-rested Pedro Strop. Hell I'm not sure there's any Cubs starter right now I don't want Joe to pull after six if the game is close and Strop/Rondon/Chapman are rested.
And, if they're not rested, you still have Edwards, Nathan, and (hopefully good) Grimm.
I almost wish would start mixing and matching instead of always going to those three in a predictable manner. Sun in Edwards for Strop or Rondon once in a while, let Nathan pitch a 7th inning...whatever.
Man, this may be fun.
Oh yeah high leverage innings will still go to Edwards and stuff on occasion. I would expect Chapman is unavailable today for instance, and Rondon will probably close if needed and be unavailable Saturday, but yeah when it works out that Strop/Rondon/Shithead McThrowshard are all available on a given day I'd absolutely go to them over trying to squeeze a 7th inning out of a starter.
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2016, 08:57:37 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 07:26:17 AM
There were a number of fans questioning the move of pulling Lackey after six, and I really don't know how anyone could prefer a third time through the order of John Lackey to a well-rested Pedro Strop. Hell I'm not sure there's any Cubs starter right now I don't want Joe to pull after six if the game is close and Strop/Rondon/Chapman are rested.
And, if they're not rested, you still have Edwards, Nathan, and (hopefully good) Grimm.
I almost wish would start mixing and matching instead of always going to those three in a predictable manner. Sun in Edwards for Strop or Rondon once in a while, let Nathan pitch a 7th inning...whatever.
Man, this may be fun.
Today will be a mix & match day. Chapman won't be available, and I'm guessing no Rondon either.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 29, 2016, 09:04:52 AM
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2016, 08:57:37 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 07:26:17 AM
There were a number of fans questioning the move of pulling Lackey after six, and I really don't know how anyone could prefer a third time through the order of John Lackey to a well-rested Pedro Strop. Hell I'm not sure there's any Cubs starter right now I don't want Joe to pull after six if the game is close and Strop/Rondon/Chapman are rested.
And, if they're not rested, you still have Edwards, Nathan, and (hopefully good) Grimm.
I almost wish would start mixing and matching instead of always going to those three in a predictable manner. Sun in Edwards for Strop or Rondon once in a while, let Nathan pitch a 7th inning...whatever.
Man, this may be fun.
Today will be a mix & match day. Chapman won't be available, and I'm guessing no Rondon either.
I guess my point is that the second tier is still really good, too.
Tier 1A
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2016, 09:14:52 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 29, 2016, 09:04:52 AM
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2016, 08:57:37 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 07:26:17 AM
There were a number of fans questioning the move of pulling Lackey after six, and I really don't know how anyone could prefer a third time through the order of John Lackey to a well-rested Pedro Strop. Hell I'm not sure there's any Cubs starter right now I don't want Joe to pull after six if the game is close and Strop/Rondon/Chapman are rested.
And, if they're not rested, you still have Edwards, Nathan, and (hopefully good) Grimm.
I almost wish would start mixing and matching instead of always going to those three in a predictable manner. Sun in Edwards for Strop or Rondon once in a while, let Nathan pitch a 7th inning...whatever.
Man, this may be fun.
Today will be a mix & match day. Chapman won't be available, and I'm guessing no Rondon either.
I guess my point is that the second tier is still really good, too.
The cascade effect of adding just one more good arm is huge. Montgomery is due to not suck at some point as well given how well he was doing in Seattle. Grimm has also looked like 2015 Grimm in his last 7 or 8 appearances. Chapman/Rondon/Strop/Edwards/Grimm/Montgomery should be as good of a late inning mix as there is in the game right now.
I just hope Joe starts to rely less on Travis Wood now that he's got more options because Wood's peripherals definitely indicate he should be a mop up guy. His success in high leverage spots so far this year owes to a ludicrously low sub .200 BABIP and a really high LOB%, because he's walked everyone while striking out hardly anyone and giving up plenty of dingers. Same with Cahill. They should be viewed as mop up and long guys, not middle relief/set up.
Edwards is the guy who I find is the most fun to watch. That filthy breaking ball with 95 MPH heat is just not fair.
I have totally forgotten about Mike Montgomery.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 29, 2016, 09:33:51 AM
Edwards is the guy who I find is the most fun to watch. That filthy breaking ball with 95 MPH heat is just not fair.
Am I the only one who thinks that he would like to buy Edwards a good meal every time I see him take the mound?
Quote from: CBStew on July 29, 2016, 12:13:00 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 29, 2016, 09:33:51 AM
Edwards is the guy who I find is the most fun to watch. That filthy breaking ball with 95 MPH heat is just not fair.
Am I the only one who thinks that he would like to buy Edwards a good meal every time I see him take the mound?
I keep thinking he's wearing a youth jersey.
Welp.
There goes my joyful positive. Even when Arriota pitches a good game this team doesn'the help him...
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on July 30, 2016, 03:31:45 PM
There goes my joyful positive. Even when Arriota pitches a good game this team doesn'the help him...
Whatever "good game" he had going totally got erased by the inexcusable sin of walking the 7 and 8 hitters to open the 8th. I hope it's good for Theo and company to have instant feedback showing that the Chapman trade was really, really dumb, but this one is on Jake.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 30, 2016, 03:34:15 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on July 30, 2016, 03:31:45 PM
There goes my joyful positive. Even when Arriota pitches a good game this team doesn'the help him...
Whatever "good game" he had going totally got erased by the inexcusable sin of walking the 7 and 8 hitters to open the 8th. I hope it's good for Theo and company to have instant feedback showing that the Chapman trade was really, really dumb, but this one is on Jake.
The Cubs have a so-called three-headed monster in their bullpen, with the intent of them taking over games from the 7th inning. Why the fuck was Jake pitching in the 8th to begin with? Cubs had a lead, Jake was the winning pitcher, time to bring out the Hydra.
Quote from: Canadouche on July 30, 2016, 03:41:21 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 30, 2016, 03:34:15 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on July 30, 2016, 03:31:45 PM
There goes my joyful positive. Even when Arriota pitches a good game this team doesn'the help him...
Whatever "good game" he had going totally got erased by the inexcusable sin of walking the 7 and 8 hitters to open the 8th. I hope it's good for Theo and company to have instant feedback showing that the Chapman trade was really, really dumb, but this one is on Jake.
The Cubs have a so-called three-headed monster in their bullpen, with the intent of them taking over games from the 7th inning. Why the fuck was Jake pitching in the 8th to begin with? Cubs had a lead, Jake was the winning pitcher, time to bring out the Hydra.
There's also this spot-on perspective.
Hey, yes Arrieta walked the 1st 2 batters, but did we have to bring in Chapman when we had Rondon(a VERY good pitcher) that had just gotten 2 outs with no runs scored? And Kudos to the guy catching up to the 100 mph fastball for a 2-run 2B for the lead. That's not going to happen very often looking at Chapman's #'s. It's not like we had Wood/Montgomery out there and Chapman was WAY better than them.
Pretty goddamn ridiculous that Theo traded for a shutdown closer and that he gave up a hit.
This trade was dumb because the Cubs already had a closer who sucks because he gives up runs at disproportionately wrong times
Quote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:55:30 AM
Pretty goddamn ridiculous that Theo traded for a shutdown closer and that he gave up a hit.
This trade was dumb because the Cubs already had a closer who sucks because he gives up runs at disproportionately wrong times
These are things that would make Cubs fans mad:
- Joe bringing in Aroldis Chapman to face a LHH in the 8th inning and that guy getting an RBI double off him.
- Joe not bringing in Aroldis Chapman to face a LHH in the 8th inning and that guy getting an RBI double off Rondon.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 30, 2016, 03:34:15 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on July 30, 2016, 03:31:45 PM
There goes my joyful positive. Even when Arriota pitches a good game this team doesn'the help him...
Whatever "good game" he had going totally got erased by the inexcusable sin of walking the 7 and 8 hitters to open the 8th. I hope it's good for Theo and company to have instant feedback showing that the Chapman trade was really, really dumb, but this one is on Jake.
Can't help but wonder what effect the long bottom of the 7th, with two video reviews, had on Jake.
Quote from: Canadouche on July 30, 2016, 03:41:21 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 30, 2016, 03:34:15 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on July 30, 2016, 03:31:45 PM
There goes my joyful positive. Even when Arriota pitches a good game this team doesn'the help him...
Whatever "good game" he had going totally got erased by the inexcusable sin of walking the 7 and 8 hitters to open the 8th. I hope it's good for Theo and company to have instant feedback showing that the Chapman trade was really, really dumb, but this one is on Jake.
The Cubs have a so-called three-headed monster in their bullpen, with the intent of them taking over games from the 7th inning. Why the fuck was Jake pitching in the 8th to begin with? Cubs had a lead, Jake was the winning pitcher, time to bring out the Hydra.
Exactly. There was no fucking reason for Arrieta to even be in the game at that point. That was a Dusty-level move by Maddon.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 31, 2016, 08:40:51 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:55:30 AM
Pretty goddamn ridiculous that Theo traded for a shutdown closer and that he gave up a hit.
This trade was dumb because the Cubs already had a closer who sucks because he gives up runs at disproportionately wrong times
These are things that would make Cubs fans mad:
- Joe bringing in Aroldis Chapman to face a LHH in the 8th inning and that guy getting an RBI double off him.
- Joe not bringing in Aroldis Chapman to face a LHH in the 8th inning and that guy getting an RBI double off Rondon.
Minus Nathan the bullpen was quite good. Hendricks better go at least 7 and have a 3-4 run lead tonight.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:00:29 PM
Great decision by Joe to go with choking Hector in the non-save situation, because he's been so good in those this year. Oh, wait...
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Great decision by Joe to go with choking Hector in the non-save situation, because he's been so good in those this year. Oh, wait...
One of the great things about the years I spent in NY is the former friends and co-workers who are Met fans ripping Familia for being a choker after he blew his first save in 52 opportunities.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 19, 2016, 09:00:29 PM
Great decision by Joe to go with choking Hector in the non-save situation, because he's been so good in those this year. Oh, wait...
One of the great things about the years I spent in NY is the former friends and co-workers who are Met fans ripping Familia for being a choker after he blew his first save in 52 opportunities.
It really is amusing that, no matter the fanbase, no matter the quality of the closer, idiot fans can never keep perspective that even Mariano Rivera never recorded a 0.00 ERA, and that whenever closers do give up runs, teams lose, because that's what happens when you're the last guy on the mound. Slaky compared it to meatballs and goalies and that's pretty apt.
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There goes my joyful positive. Even when Arriota pitches a good game this team doesn'the help him...
Whatever "good game" he had going totally got erased by the inexcusable sin of walking the 7 and 8 hitters to open the 8th. I hope it's good for Theo and company to have instant feedback showing that the Chapman trade was really, really dumb, but this one is on Jake.
The Cubs have a so-called three-headed monster in their bullpen, with the intent of them taking over games from the 7th inning. Why the fuck was Jake pitching in the 8th to begin with? Cubs had a lead, Jake was the winning pitcher, time to bring out the Hydra.
Exactly. There was no fucking reason for Arrieta to even be in the game at that point. That was a Dusty-level move by Maddon.
He was under 90 pitches and spinning a two-hitter. We wouldn't you start the eighth with him, especially with 7-8-9 coming up? Had he gone 1-2-3, he'd have been just over 100 pitches and given Maddon an opportunity to rest Rondon or Chapman.
It didn't work out.
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on July 30, 2016, 03:31:45 PM
There goes my joyful positive. Even when Arriota pitches a good game this team doesn'the help him...
Whatever "good game" he had going totally got erased by the inexcusable sin of walking the 7 and 8 hitters to open the 8th. I hope it's good for Theo and company to have instant feedback showing that the Chapman trade was really, really dumb, but this one is on Jake.
The Cubs have a so-called three-headed monster in their bullpen, with the intent of them taking over games from the 7th inning. Why the fuck was Jake pitching in the 8th to begin with? Cubs had a lead, Jake was the winning pitcher, time to bring out the Hydra.
Exactly. There was no fucking reason for Arrieta to even be in the game at that point. That was a Dusty-level move by Maddon.
He was under 90 pitches and spinning a two-hitter. We wouldn't you start the eighth with him, especially with 7-8-9 coming up? Had he gone 1-2-3, he'd have been just over 100 pitches and given Maddon an opportunity to rest Rondon or Chapman.
It didn't work out.
I was anxious he started the 8th because of how things have gone for him lately but I get Joe wanting to show faith in him and let him have a go at it since his pitch count was still low. I would have removed him after the leadoff walk, but ball four was so close to strike three that I can understand why Joe didn't realize Jake had lost it till he walked the next guy on four straight.
So he left him in a batter too long and I was upset about it but his reasons were doing so were legit so whatever. Shit happens.
Rondon unavailable because of a sore triceps and Pedro may have just torn something. So much for super bullpen
Quote from: SKO on August 10, 2016, 09:26:50 PM
Rondon unavailable because of a sore triceps and Pedro may have just torn something. So much for super bullpen
Carl Edwards Jr disagrees
Torn meniscus for Pedro Strop, surgery tomorrow, estimated four to six week recovery. Not as bad as it could have been. His ancestors and Bob Costas could not be reached for comment.
It was nice to see the actual Mike Montgomery show up last night.
A groundball guy with this infield that can eat innings - this is something we can all support.
Chapman can't go a second inning after a three-pitch ninth?
Quote from: Shooter on August 12, 2016, 01:05:43 PM
Chapman can't go a second inning after a three-pitch ninth?
My guess with Strop and Rondon out, and Edwards apparently not going to throw on back to back days anytime soon, Joe wanted to not overuse Chapman and make sure he is available today/the rest of the series. Also supposedly Chapman has said he doesn't like multi-inning appearances but my stance on that is fuck him because you're a rental and you'll pitch until you die if they order you to.
Quote from: SKO on August 12, 2016, 01:09:37 PM
Quote from: Shooter on August 12, 2016, 01:05:43 PM
Chapman can't go a second inning after a three-pitch ninth?
My guess with Strop and Rondon out, and Edwards apparently not going to throw on back to back days anytime soon, Joe wanted to not overuse Chapman and make sure he is available today/the rest of the series. Also supposedly Chapman has said he doesn't like multi-inning appearances but my stance on that is fuck him because you're a rental and you'll pitch until you die if they order you to.
I wasn't on teh Twitters mid-game, but can I assume more than person reasonably questioned why Maddon pulled Lester after 6 innings and 91 pitches and then, deciding to pull him, pitch Wood instead of Montgomery in the 7th? Mostly I was not thrilled with Lester being pulled in the first place but felt that this mistake was compounded by the fact that he went with Wood.
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Quote from: Shooter on August 12, 2016, 01:05:43 PM
Chapman can't go a second inning after a three-pitch ninth?
My guess with Strop and Rondon out, and Edwards apparently not going to throw on back to back days anytime soon, Joe wanted to not overuse Chapman and make sure he is available today/the rest of the series. Also supposedly Chapman has said he doesn't like multi-inning appearances but my stance on that is fuck him because you're a rental and you'll pitch until you die if they order you to.
I wasn't on teh Twitters mid-game, but can I assume more than person reasonably questioned why Maddon pulled Lester after 6 innings and 91 pitches and then, deciding to pull him, pitch Wood instead of Montgomery in the 7th? Mostly I was not thrilled with Lester being pulled in the first place but felt that this mistake was compounded by the fact that he went with Wood.
I was fine with the move to pull Lester. They had just taken the lead, there was a RISP with 2 outs. A 2 run lead would have been more valuable than an extra inning from Lester. Alas, it didn't work out.
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It was nice to see the actual Mike Montgomery show up last night.
That tightrope act? I hope that was only a glimpse of the actual Mike Montgomery, and the actual Mike Montgomery is better about limiting how many reach base. He got out of it, but it wasn't exactly pretty.
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It was nice to see the actual Mike Montgomery show up last night.
That tightrope act? I hope that was only a glimpse of the actual Mike Montgomery, and the actual Mike Montgomery is better about limiting how many reach base. He got out of it, but it wasn't exactly pretty.
His first inning was pretty efficient and he
did strike out Carpenter with the bases loaded i nhis second inning.
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It was nice to see the actual Mike Montgomery show up last night.
That tightrope act? I hope that was only a glimpse of the actual Mike Montgomery, and the actual Mike Montgomery is better about limiting how many reach base. He got out of it, but it wasn't exactly pretty.
His first inning was pretty efficient and he did strike out Carpenter with the bases loaded i nhis second inning.
I nhis who
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It was nice to see the actual Mike Montgomery show up last night.
That tightrope act? I hope that was only a glimpse of the actual Mike Montgomery, and the actual Mike Montgomery is better about limiting how many reach base. He got out of it, but it wasn't exactly pretty.
His first inning was pretty efficient and he did strike out Carpenter with the bases loaded i nhis second inning.
DWIGHT MONTGOMERY: Through concentration, I can load and unload the bases at will.
PAM BEESLY: Why would you want to load the bases?
DWIGHT MONTGOMERY: So I can leave them loaded.
Joe Smith kinda sucks.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 13, 2016, 06:14:06 PM
Joe Smith kinda sucks.
Yeah. I'm sure he'll get a few more chances in the last two pretty much meaningless months but I'm thinking the "groundball specialist ROOGY" experiment isn't really working
Quote from: SKO on August 13, 2016, 06:40:22 PM
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Joe Smith kinda sucks.
Yeah. I'm sure he'll get a few more chances in the last two pretty much meaningless months but I'm thinking the "groundball specialist ROOGY" experiment isn't really working
A "groundball specialist ROOGY" actually still sounds like a great idea to me. Once the Cubs get a RHRP who gets groundballs, it'll be interesting to see how well it works.
DPD.
The "groundball specialist" as a Cub:
17 batters faced. 14 balls in play. 12 fly balls. 3 HR. 2 BB. 1 SO.
For comparison, he averaged a home run to about every 60 batters faced as an Angel/Indian.
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Joe Smith kinda sucks.
Yeah. I'm sure he'll get a few more chances in the last two pretty much meaningless months but I'm thinking the "groundball specialist ROOGY" experiment isn't really working
A "groundball specialist ROOGY" actually still sounds like a great idea to me. Once the Cubs get a RHRP who gets groundballs, it'll be interesting to see how well it works.
Oh yeah the concept is great, and there was a lot to indicate Smith could be that guy. Just not looking like it's going to work
"You know, on second thought, maybe we should have sent Hector on that DL/rehab assignment instead of just keeping him active for two weeks."
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 14, 2016, 09:28:55 PM
"You know, on second thought, maybe we should have sent Hector on that DL/rehab assignment instead of just keeping him active for two weeks."
On the bright side, his velocity is where it should be. He'll get his pitches down next time out.
But yeah, I'm with you on the DL/rehab.
Damn it.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 20, 2016, 12:29:32 AM
Damn it.
I keep looking forward to the bullpen depth leading to Wood never pitching in high leverage spots and then people get hurt and he's right back out there every other day
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 20, 2016, 12:29:32 AM
Damn it.
I keep looking forward to the bullpen depth leading to Wood never pitching in high leverage spots and then people get hurt and he's right back out there every other day
I'd rather not see them blow a 4 run lead and have to empty out the bullpen on the first game of a road trip, with a bullpen monster spot start coming up tomorrow. If I have to watch them get swept by friggin' San Diego again I'm gonna be pissed.
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 20, 2016, 12:29:32 AM
Damn it.
I keep looking forward to the bullpen depth leading to Wood never pitching in high leverage spots and then people get hurt and he's right back out there every other day
I'd rather not see them blow a 4 run lead and have to empty out the bullpen on the first game of a road trip, with a bullpen monster spot start coming up tomorrow. If I have to watch them get swept by friggin' San Diego again I'm gonna be pissed.
My guess is Montgomery/Cahill are combining for 6-7 innings regardless of how many runs they allow. Someone's gonna have to wear one
Fuck
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Damn it.
I keep looking forward to the bullpen depth leading to Wood never pitching in high leverage spots and then people get hurt and he's right back out there every other day
I'd rather not see them blow a 4 run lead and have to empty out the bullpen on the first game of a road trip, with a bullpen monster spot start coming up tomorrow. If I have to watch them get swept by friggin' San Diego again I'm gonna be pissed.
My guess is Montgomery/Cahill are combining for 6-7 innings regardless of how many runs they allow. Someone's gonna have to wear one
I vote Matusz
Talk about another turd from the vets tonight...hey at least the rooks didn't shit themselves like the rest.
Another pants shitting from Wood tonight...
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 20, 2016, 01:40:37 AM
Talk about another turd from the vets tonight...hey at least the rooks didn't shit themselves like the rest.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 31, 2016, 11:03:51 PM
Another pants shitting from Wood tonight...
You sure talk about poop a lot.
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 20, 2016, 01:40:37 AM
Talk about another turd from the vets tonight...hey at least the rooks didn't shit themselves like the rest.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 31, 2016, 11:03:51 PM
Another pants shitting from Wood tonight...
You sure talk about poop a lot.
But in his defense, look at all those periods.
One good thing going on with the pen's that Grimm looks like he's got himself back on track.
Quote from: Scatman Of Others on September 01, 2016, 05:14:07 AM
One good thing going on with the pen's that Grimm looks like he's got himself back on track his shit doesn't stink.
Cubs could certainly use a blowout tonight.
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One good thing going on with the pen's that Grimm looks like he's got himself back on track his shit doesn't stink.
I see what you did thar. Well played. I hope Z gets more work and maybe he'll keep it up so that he can take Wood's spot in October. I know, wishful thinking, but the thought of Wood pitching in the playoffs scares the shit outta me.
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One good thing going on with the pen's that Grimm looks like he's got himself back on track his shit doesn't stink.
I see what you did thar. Well played. I hope Z gets more work and maybe he'll keep it up so that he can take Wood's spot in October. I know, wishful thinking, but the thought of Wood pitching in the playoffs scares the shit outta me.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 31, 2016, 11:55:11 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 20, 2016, 01:40:37 AM
Talk about another turd from the vets tonight...hey at least the rooks didn't shit themselves like the rest.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 31, 2016, 11:03:51 PM
Another pants shitting from Wood tonight...
You sure talk about poop a lot.
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Quote from: Scatman Of Others on September 01, 2016, 05:14:07 AM
One good thing going on with the pen's that Grimm looks like he's got himself back on track his shit doesn't stink.
I see what you did thar. Well played. I hope Z gets more work and maybe he'll keep it up so that he can take Wood's spot in October. I know, wishful thinking, but the thought of Wood pitching in the playoffs scares the shit outta me.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 31, 2016, 11:55:11 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 20, 2016, 01:40:37 AM
Talk about another turd from the vets tonight...hey at least the rooks didn't shit themselves like the rest.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 31, 2016, 11:03:51 PM
Another pants shitting from Wood tonight...
You sure talk about poop a lot.
Pretty sure that one was on purpose, unless I'm giving him too much credit.
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Quote from: Scatman Of Others on September 01, 2016, 05:14:07 AM
One good thing going on with the pen's that Grimm looks like he's got himself back on track his shit doesn't stink.
I see what you did thar. Well played. I hope Z gets more work and maybe he'll keep it up so that he can take Wood's spot in October. I know, wishful thinking, but the thought of Wood pitching in the playoffs scares the shit outta me.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 31, 2016, 11:55:11 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 20, 2016, 01:40:37 AM
Talk about another turd from the vets tonight...hey at least the rooks didn't shit themselves like the rest.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 31, 2016, 11:03:51 PM
Another pants shitting from Wood tonight...
You sure talk about poop a lot.
Pretty sure that one was on purpose, unless I'm giving him too much credit.
Credit has to be earned in the feral jungle Thunderdome of my mind.
This.Fucking.Bullpen. earned the thread tonight. And hey, look, no Wood or Cahill involved tonight, Maybe that's why it was a bit calmer tonight. Smith looked very impressive coming off the dl.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 01, 2016, 10:57:53 PM
This.Fucking.Bullpen. earned the thread tonight. And hey, look, no Wood or Cahill involved tonight, Maybe that's why it was a bit calmer tonight. Smith looked very impressive coming off the dl.
There was a distinct lack of fecal odor tonight.
Yes there was Saul, yes there was.
Zastryzny is certainly going to make Joe make a hard choice in October.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 02, 2016, 12:05:41 PM
Zastryzny is certainly going to make Joe make a hard choice in October.
I think Wood will mitigate the toughness of the choice.
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Zastryzny is certainly going to make Joe make a hard choice in October.
I think Wood will mitigate the toughness of the choice.
Sahadev Sharma was saying on Twitter the other day that Joe absolutely loves Wood for "gamer and grit" reasons, so I'm be pretty surprised if Joe doesn't let him on the postseason roster in favor of a rookie.
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Zastryzny is certainly going to make Joe make a hard choice in October.
I think Wood will mitigate the toughness of the choice.
Sahadev Sharma was saying on Twitter the other day that Joe absolutely loves Wood for "gamer and grit" reasons, so I'm be pretty surprised if Joe doesn't let him on the postseason roster in favor of a rookie.
Wood's fine as a LOOGY. It's using him against righties that's stupid. Zazszzsztrzzzsszzny has been more of a long reliever, so unless Jason Hammel is getting playoff starts, there's not as much need for a tandem starter/long man (especially in a five-game series).
Even Joe Smith is getting guys out since he came off the DL.
Now we know Tubby Trevor can only go 2 innings before he's weak from hunger.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 12, 2016, 09:17:21 AM
Now we know Tubby Trevor can only go 2 innings before he's weak from hunger.
To be honest I don't really even know that I blame him for the two dingers. If it were a closer game he may not have made those pitches, both of them were first pitch fastballs where he was clearly just trying to throw strikes and get the game over with and not walk anyone, which is all you really want from a long man with a 6 run lead.
Intrepid Reader: Hector Rondon
This is fine. (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/11493214/v1239638683/)
Quote from: Saul Goodman on March 16, 2017, 02:17:39 AM
Intrepid Reader: Hector Rondon
This is fine. (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/11493214/v1239638683/)
He won a WS in the USA. Maybe he was just paying it back
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on March 16, 2017, 02:17:39 AM
Intrepid Reader: Hector Rondon
This is fine. (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/11493214/v1239638683/)
He won a WS in the USA. Maybe he was just paying it back
Has Hector put on a few pounds? Like 25?
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Intrepid Reader: Hector Rondon
This is fine. (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/11493214/v1239638683/)
He won a WS in the USA. Maybe he was just paying it back
Has Hector put on a few pounds? Like 25?
Well, he'll never make center field with that attitude.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on March 16, 2017, 02:17:39 AM
Intrepid Reader: Hector Rondon
This is fine. (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/11493214/v1239638683/)
Someone switch his setting to minor league? Jon Lester could have hit those out.
Outfuckingstanding work for these guys today. Rondon, Strop, Edwards, and Davis combined: 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 4 SO, 3 holds, 1 save. That Strop error made things a little dicey and Davis had some issues in the ninth, but they shut the Cardinals down. Good signs.
And if saves were like tackles and more than one guy could get credit for it, Edwards definitely earned it choking the life out of that 8th inning mini-rally.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2017, 04:13:23 PM
Outfuckingstanding work for these guys today. Rondon, Strop, Edwards, and Davis combined: 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 4 SO, 3 holds, 1 save. That Strop error made things a little dicey and Davis had some issues in the ninth, but they shut the Cardinals down. Good signs.
And if saves were like tackles and more than one guy could get credit for it, Edwards definitely earned it choking the life out of that 8th inning mini-rally.
Oh, so
now we're okay with Cubs relievers choking the life out of things?
Quote from: ChuckD on April 06, 2017, 04:43:52 PM
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Outfuckingstanding work for these guys today. Rondon, Strop, Edwards, and Davis combined: 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 4 SO, 3 holds, 1 save. That Strop error made things a little dicey and Davis had some issues in the ninth, but they shut the Cardinals down. Good signs.
And if saves were like tackles and more than one guy could get credit for it, Edwards definitely earned it choking the life out of that 8th inning mini-rally.
Oh, so now we're okay with Cubs relievers choking the life out of things?
If they're baseball things, yes. You're not in favor of relievers choking non-baseball-related things, are you?
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Outfuckingstanding work for these guys today. Rondon, Strop, Edwards, and Davis combined: 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 4 SO, 3 holds, 1 save. That Strop error made things a little dicey and Davis had some issues in the ninth, but they shut the Cardinals down. Good signs.
And if saves were like tackles and more than one guy could get credit for it, Edwards definitely earned it choking the life out of that 8th inning mini-rally.
Oh, so now we're okay with Cubs relievers choking the life out of things?
If they're baseball things, yes. You're not in favor of relievers choking non-baseball-related things, are you?
I think we've all watched plenty of Cubs relievers choking.
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Outfuckingstanding work for these guys today. Rondon, Strop, Edwards, and Davis combined: 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 4 SO, 3 holds, 1 save. That Strop error made things a little dicey and Davis had some issues in the ninth, but they shut the Cardinals down. Good signs.
And if saves were like tackles and more than one guy could get credit for it, Edwards definitely earned it choking the life out of that 8th inning mini-rally.
Oh, so now we're okay with Cubs relievers choking the life out of things?
If they're baseball things, yes. You're not in favor of relievers choking non-baseball-related things, are you?
I think we've all watched plenty of Cubs relievers choking.
Ah, Brown Spot Bob. I don't miss him.
How long until DFA-ing Stop is an option? He's becoming a massive liability. Also, whoever had the idea to throw Cutch 4 straight sliders when the guy can't hit a 95 mph fastball anymore needs to spend some more time with the opposing scouting reports.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 15, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
How long until DFA-ing Stop is an option? He's becoming a massive liability. Also, whoever had the idea to throw Cutch 4 straight sliders when the guy can't hit a 95 mph fastball anymore needs to spend some more time with the opposing scouting reports.
It's more than four fucking innings, you dope.
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2017, 04:20:23 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 15, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
How long until DFA-ing Stop is an option? He's becoming a massive liability. Also, whoever had the idea to throw Cutch 4 straight sliders when the guy can't hit a 95 mph fastball anymore needs to spend some more time with the opposing scouting reports.
It's more than four fucking innings, you dope.
Yeah, that's just stupid. I hate watching them piss away a lead but CFiHP is gonna CFiHP no matter what.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 15, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
How long until DFA-ing Stop is an option? He's becoming a massive liability. Also, whoever had the idea to throw Cutch 4 straight sliders when the guy can't hit a 95 mph fastball anymore needs to spend some more time with the opposing scouting reports.
It's more than four fucking innings, you dope.
Yeah, that's just stupid. I hate watching them piss away a lead but CFiHP is gonna CFiHP no matter what.
Shit it's not even like his velocity is down. He looks like Strop, he's just in one of those funks where he has no command. I'd be worried if he hadn't done this for various stretches for his entire career.
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Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2017, 04:20:23 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 15, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
How long until DFA-ing Stop is an option? He's becoming a massive liability. Also, whoever had the idea to throw Cutch 4 straight sliders when the guy can't hit a 95 mph fastball anymore needs to spend some more time with the opposing scouting reports.
It's more than four fucking innings, you dope.
Yeah, that's just stupid. I hate watching them piss away a lead but CFiHP is gonna CFiHP no matter what.
Shit it's not even like his velocity is down. He looks like Strop, he's just in one of those funks where he has no command. I'd be worried if he hadn't done this for various stretches for his entire career.
Sign a guy to an extension.
Overreact to the first 12 games.
DFA said guy.
Profit
Quote from: Yeti on April 15, 2017, 07:59:47 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2017, 04:39:00 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 15, 2017, 04:36:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2017, 04:20:23 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 15, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
How long until DFA-ing Stop is an option? He's becoming a massive liability. Also, whoever had the idea to throw Cutch 4 straight sliders when the guy can't hit a 95 mph fastball anymore needs to spend some more time with the opposing scouting reports.
It's more than four fucking innings, you dope.
Yeah, that's just stupid. I hate watching them piss away a lead but CFiHP is gonna CFiHP no matter what.
Shit it's not even like his velocity is down. He looks like Strop, he's just in one of those funks where he has no command. I'd be worried if he hadn't done this for various stretches for his entire career.
Sign a guy to an extension.
Overreact to the first 12 games.
DFA said guy.
Profit
That's Cub.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 15, 2017, 10:15:26 PM
Quote from: Yeti on April 15, 2017, 07:59:47 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2017, 04:39:00 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 15, 2017, 04:36:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2017, 04:20:23 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 15, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
How long until DFA-ing Stop is an option? He's becoming a massive liability. Also, whoever had the idea to throw Cutch 4 straight sliders when the guy can't hit a 95 mph fastball anymore needs to spend some more time with the opposing scouting reports.
It's more than four fucking innings, you dope.
Yeah, that's just stupid. I hate watching them piss away a lead but CFiHP is gonna CFiHP no matter what.
Shit it's not even like his velocity is down. He looks like Strop, he's just in one of those funks where he has no command. I'd be worried if he hadn't done this for various stretches for his entire career.
Sign a guy to an extension.
Overreact to the first 12 games.
DFA said guy.
Profit
That's Cub.
It happened to me: I laughed at a Forkjoke.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 15, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
How long until DFA-ing Stop is an option? He's becoming a massive liability. Also, whoever had the idea to throw Cutch 4 straight sliders when the guy can't hit a 95 mph fastball anymore needs to spend some more time with the opposing scouting reports.
Stop?
Are you sending a telegram?
Not a great stretch.
ANY TEAM THAT HAS RYAN BRAUN IS MY ENEMY.
Quote from: Brownie on April 17, 2017, 09:48:29 PM
Not a great stretch.
ANY TEAM THAT HAS RYAN BRAUN IS MY ENEMY.
Which will be the Dodgers, soon enough.
Quote from: flannj on April 16, 2017, 10:59:18 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 15, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
How long until DFA-ing Stop is an option? He's becoming a massive liability. Also, whoever had the idea to throw Cutch 4 straight sliders when the guy can't hit a 95 mph fastball anymore needs to spend some more time with the opposing scouting reports.
Stop?
Are you sending a telegram?
HOW OLD PEDO STOP
Quote from: Tonker on April 18, 2017, 04:57:03 AM
Quote from: flannj on April 16, 2017, 10:59:18 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 15, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
How long until DFA-ing Stop is an option? He's becoming a massive liability. Also, whoever had the idea to throw Cutch 4 straight sliders when the guy can't hit a 95 mph fastball anymore needs to spend some more time with the opposing scouting reports.
Stop?
Are you sending a telegram?
HOW OLD PEDO STOP
OLD PEDO STOP SHITTY, HOW YOU?
Quote from: Brownie on April 18, 2017, 09:32:14 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 18, 2017, 04:57:03 AM
Quote from: flannj on April 16, 2017, 10:59:18 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 15, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
How long until DFA-ing Stop is an option? He's becoming a massive liability. Also, whoever had the idea to throw Cutch 4 straight sliders when the guy can't hit a 95 mph fastball anymore needs to spend some more time with the opposing scouting reports.
Stop?
Are you sending a telegram?
HOW OLD PEDO STOP
OLD PEDO STOP SHITTY, HOW YOU?
/SCENE
Having Nasty Rondon back is a plus.
Was this real (http://kensmouthpiece.blogspot.com/2013/04/fix-your-crooked-hat.html?m=1) or a joke? I can't figure it out.
Davis/Edwards/Rondon combined:
33.2 IP, 40 K, 11 BB, 1 ER.
I feel like that's good. Is that good? Where's Chuck D when you need him?
Quote from: SKO on May 03, 2017, 08:00:19 AM
Davis/Edwards/Rondon combined:
33.2 IP, 40 K, 11 BB, 1 ER.
I feel like that's good. Is that good? Where's Chuck D when you need him?
Can we bring in the bullpen to pitch the first, and then have the starters pitch innings 2-7 or 8?
Can we just never have Rondon pitch again in a high leverage situation?
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 05, 2017, 04:33:13 PM
Can we just never have Rondon pitch again in a high leverage situation?
How dare he!
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 05, 2017, 04:33:13 PM
Can we just never have Rondon pitch again in a high leverage situation?
I'm not on your team in what I assume is a softball league for terrible lawyers with terrible opinions, so I guess I don't really know why I'm getting a vote, but ... sure, that sounds good.
Quote from: ChuckD on May 05, 2017, 04:50:43 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 05, 2017, 04:33:13 PM
Can we just never have Rondon pitch again in a high leverage situation?
I'm not on your team in what I assume is a softball league for terrible lawyers with terrible opinions, so I guess I don't really know why I'm getting a vote, but ... sure, that sounds good.
His August/September/Postseason #s last year were putrid (WHIP north of 1.5, not missing as many bats). His stuff this season has hardly seemed electric - the numbers are better than they were at the end of the year last year, but his failure to consistently miss bats and hard contact against him point to him being closer to his awful numbers to end last season than his electric numbers prior to last August.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 07, 2017, 02:43:51 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 05, 2017, 04:50:43 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 05, 2017, 04:33:13 PM
Can we just never have Rondon pitch again in a high leverage situation?
I'm not on your team in what I assume is a softball league for terrible lawyers with terrible opinions, so I guess I don't really know why I'm getting a vote, but ... sure, that sounds good.
His August/September/Postseason #s last year were putrid (WHIP north of 1.5, not missing as many bats). His stuff this season has hardly seemed electric - the numbers are better than they were at the end of the year last year, but his failure to consistently miss bats and hard contact against him point to him being closer to his awful numbers to end last season than his electric numbers prior to last August.
electric
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 07, 2017, 02:43:51 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 05, 2017, 04:50:43 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 05, 2017, 04:33:13 PM
Can we just never have Rondon pitch again in a high leverage situation?
I'm not on your team in what I assume is a softball league for terrible lawyers with terrible opinions, so I guess I don't really know why I'm getting a vote, but ... sure, that sounds good.
His August/September/Postseason #s last year were putrid (WHIP north of 1.5, not missing as many bats). His stuff this season has hardly seemed electric - the numbers are better than they were at the end of the year last year, but his failure to consistently miss bats and hard contact against him point to him being closer to his awful numbers to end last season than his electric numbers prior to last August.
Geez, it's almost as if he got hurt and never recovered from his injury until the offseason.
Dylan Floro will try to live up to the high expectations that come with donning Brian Matusz's #15.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2017, 01:59:51 AM
Dylan Floro will try to live up to the high expectations that come with donning Brian Matusz's George Mitterwald's #15.
#NeverForget
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2017, 01:59:51 AM
Dylan Floro will try to live up to the high expectations that come with donning Brian Matusz's #15.
Already exceeded them
Wade Davis is the most amazing closer I have ever seen. He doesn't even break a sweat out there. Even the one time he seemed like he even had the possibility of blowing it, after Willson and Rizzo let that disaster happen in STL, he just yawned and took down Fat Adams like it was nothing. Cutter, Cutter, Cutter, let's go home boys.
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2017, 08:14:38 AM
Wade Davis is the most amazing closer I have ever seen. He doesn't even break a sweat out there. Even the one time he seemed like he even had the possibility of blowing it, after Willson and Rizzo let that disaster happen in STL, he just yawned and took down Fat Adams like it was nothing. Cutter, Cutter, Cutter, let's go home boys.
Too bad he's being wasted on a team that can't seem to get it together. I'm not saying it's too late by any means, but it's frustrating to see them stumble along.
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2017, 08:14:38 AM
Wade Davis is the most amazing closer I have ever seen. He doesn't even break a sweat out there. Even the one time he seemed like he even had the possibility of blowing it, after Willson and Rizzo let that disaster happen in STL, he just yawned and took down Fat Adams like it was nothing. Cutter, Cutter, Cutter, let's go home boys.
If Theo wanted to extend him, I'd be OK with it.
Quote from: Canadouche on May 17, 2017, 08:22:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2017, 08:14:38 AM
Wade Davis is the most amazing closer I have ever seen. He doesn't even break a sweat out there. Even the one time he seemed like he even had the possibility of blowing it, after Willson and Rizzo let that disaster happen in STL, he just yawned and took down Fat Adams like it was nothing. Cutter, Cutter, Cutter, let's go home boys.
Too bad he's being wasted on a team that can't seem to get it together. I'm not saying it's too late by any means, but it's frustrating to see them stumble along.
Oh I know, dude. They're 19-19 in May, to find a team that was .500 at this point in the season and made, say, a league Championship Series you'd have to go all of the way back to last year (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2016-schedule-scores.shtml). To find a team that was 19-19 and managed to win the NLC a year after making it to the World Series you gotta go all of the way back to 2014 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/STL/2014-schedule-scores.shtml). To find a team that was .500 this late in the year (or even, like, a month and a half later) and made the world series you gotta go all of the way back to 2015 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/2015-schedule-scores.shtml).
Such a waste.
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2017, 08:42:31 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on May 17, 2017, 08:22:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2017, 08:14:38 AM
Wade Davis is the most amazing closer I have ever seen. He doesn't even break a sweat out there. Even the one time he seemed like he even had the possibility of blowing it, after Willson and Rizzo let that disaster happen in STL, he just yawned and took down Fat Adams like it was nothing. Cutter, Cutter, Cutter, let's go home boys.
Too bad he's being wasted on a team that can't seem to get it together. I'm not saying it's too late by any means, but it's frustrating to see them stumble along.
Oh I know, dude. They're 19-19 in May, to find a team that was .500 at this point in the season and made, say, a league Championship Series you'd have to go all of the way back to last year (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2016-schedule-scores.shtml). To find a team that was 19-19 and managed to win the NLC a year after making it to the World Series you gotta go all of the way back to 2014 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/STL/2014-schedule-scores.shtml). To find a team that was .500 this late in the year (or even, like, a month and a half later) and made the world series you gotta go all of the way back to 2015 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/2015-schedule-scores.shtml).
Such a waste.
I did have the thought, last night, that choosing any time on this homestand for Davis to blow his first Save would be tough to swallow. Hopefully they get on a roll on this homestand and when Davis does blow his first save--which
will happen at some point-- that it'll be when they're 10 over and in first place. I know the thought of "getting a blown save out of the way" is irrational, but so is investing our emotion in contests over. which we have no control so here we are.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on May 17, 2017, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2017, 08:42:31 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on May 17, 2017, 08:22:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2017, 08:14:38 AM
Wade Davis is the most amazing closer I have ever seen. He doesn't even break a sweat out there. Even the one time he seemed like he even had the possibility of blowing it, after Willson and Rizzo let that disaster happen in STL, he just yawned and took down Fat Adams like it was nothing. Cutter, Cutter, Cutter, let's go home boys.
Too bad he's being wasted on a team that can't seem to get it together. I'm not saying it's too late by any means, but it's frustrating to see them stumble along.
Oh I know, dude. They're 19-19 in May, to find a team that was .500 at this point in the season and made, say, a league Championship Series you'd have to go all of the way back to last year (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2016-schedule-scores.shtml). To find a team that was 19-19 and managed to win the NLC a year after making it to the World Series you gotta go all of the way back to 2014 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/STL/2014-schedule-scores.shtml). To find a team that was .500 this late in the year (or even, like, a month and a half later) and made the world series you gotta go all of the way back to 2015 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/2015-schedule-scores.shtml).
Such a waste.
I did have the thought, last night, that choosing any time on this homestand for Davis to blow his first Save would be tough to swallow. Hopefully they get on a roll on this homestand and when Davis does blow his first save--which will happen at some point-- that it'll be when they're 10 over and in first place. I know the thought of "getting a blown save out of the way" is irrational, but so is investing our emotion in contests over. which we have no control so here we are.
Yeah he has to blow one eventually but I mean, it might just be one, and it might be months from now. The dude has an era of 1.09 going back to 2014. That's over 200 fucking games. Insane.
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2017, 10:02:21 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on May 17, 2017, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2017, 08:42:31 AM
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Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2017, 08:14:38 AM
Wade Davis is the most amazing closer I have ever seen. He doesn't even break a sweat out there. Even the one time he seemed like he even had the possibility of blowing it, after Willson and Rizzo let that disaster happen in STL, he just yawned and took down Fat Adams like it was nothing. Cutter, Cutter, Cutter, let's go home boys.
Too bad he's being wasted on a team that can't seem to get it together. I'm not saying it's too late by any means, but it's frustrating to see them stumble along.
Oh I know, dude. They're 19-19 in May, to find a team that was .500 at this point in the season and made, say, a league Championship Series you'd have to go all of the way back to last year (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2016-schedule-scores.shtml). To find a team that was 19-19 and managed to win the NLC a year after making it to the World Series you gotta go all of the way back to 2014 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/STL/2014-schedule-scores.shtml). To find a team that was .500 this late in the year (or even, like, a month and a half later) and made the world series you gotta go all of the way back to 2015 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/2015-schedule-scores.shtml).
Such a waste.
I did have the thought, last night, that choosing any time on this homestand for Davis to blow his first Save would be tough to swallow. Hopefully they get on a roll on this homestand and when Davis does blow his first save--which will happen at some point-- that it'll be when they're 10 over and in first place. I know the thought of "getting a blown save out of the way" is irrational, but so is investing our emotion in contests over. which we have no control so here we are.
Yeah he has to blow one eventually but I mean, it might just be one, and it might be months from now. The dude has an era of 1.09 going back to 2014. That's over 200 fucking games. Insane.
I'm okay with more than one so long as they happen after they've righted the ship. Again--this not remotely rational-- but I'm concerned that he's been lights out while they've struggled as a team. Had he contributed to their meh start I wouldn't be having these stupid thoughts.
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Quote from: Canadouche on May 17, 2017, 08:22:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2017, 08:14:38 AM
Wade Davis is the most amazing closer I have ever seen. He doesn't even break a sweat out there. Even the one time he seemed like he even had the possibility of blowing it, after Willson and Rizzo let that disaster happen in STL, he just yawned and took down Fat Adams like it was nothing. Cutter, Cutter, Cutter, let's go home boys.
Too bad he's being wasted on a team that can't seem to get it together. I'm not saying it's too late by any means, but it's frustrating to see them stumble along.
Oh I know, dude. They're 19-19 in May, to find a team that was .500 at this point in the season and made, say, a league Championship Series you'd have to go all of the way back to last year (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2016-schedule-scores.shtml). To find a team that was 19-19 and managed to win the NLC a year after making it to the World Series you gotta go all of the way back to 2014 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/STL/2014-schedule-scores.shtml). To find a team that was .500 this late in the year (or even, like, a month and a half later) and made the world series you gotta go all of the way back to 2015 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/2015-schedule-scores.shtml).
Such a waste.
I did have the thought, last night, that choosing any time on this homestand for Davis to blow his first Save would be tough to swallow. Hopefully they get on a roll on this homestand and when Davis does blow his first save--which will happen at some point-- that it'll be when they're 10 over and in first place. I know the thought of "getting a blown save out of the way" is irrational, but so is investing our emotion in contests over. which we have no control so here we are.
Yeah he has to blow one eventually but I mean, it might just be one, and it might be months from now. The dude has an era of 1.09 going back to 2014. That's over 200 fucking games. Insane.
I'm okay with more than one so long as they happen after they've righted the ship. Again--this not remotely rational-- but I'm concerned that he's been lights out while they've struggled as a team. Had he contributed to their meh start I wouldn't be having these stupid thoughts.
You'd just have other ones.
Eddie Butler is the bullpen's best friend. He represents full-time employment for them.
Quote from: CBStew on May 19, 2017, 01:42:30 PM
Eddie Davis is the bullpen's best friend. He represents full-time employment for them.
That inning was brutal but this is his second start, his first he threw six scoreless. Let's give him a few before we throw him into Brett Anderson's firebarn.
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2017, 01:43:54 PM
Quote from: CBStew on May 19, 2017, 01:42:30 PM
Eddie Davis is the bullpen's best friend. He represents full-time employment for them.
That inning was brutal but this is his second start, his first he threw six scoreless. Let's give him a few before we throw him into Brett Anderson's firebarn.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2r2om4j.jpg)
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2017, 01:43:54 PM
Quote from: CBStew on May 19, 2017, 01:42:30 PM
Eddie Davis is the bullpen's best friend. He represents full-time employment for them.
That inning was brutal but this is his second start, his first he threw six scoreless. Let's give him a few before we throw him into Brett Anderson's firebarn.
With his control you can trade him for Darvish so he can actually be Walker: Texas Ranger.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 19, 2017, 03:17:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2017, 01:43:54 PM
Quote from: CBStew on May 19, 2017, 01:42:30 PM
Eddie Davis is the bullpen's best friend. He represents full-time employment for them.
That inning was brutal but this is his second start, his first he threw six scoreless. Let's give him a few before we throw him into Brett Anderson's firebarn.
With his control you can trade him for Darvish so he can actually be Walker: Texas Ranger.
:|
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Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2017, 08:14:38 AM
Wade Davis is the most amazing closer I have ever seen. He doesn't even break a sweat out there. Even the one time he seemed like he even had the possibility of blowing it, after Willson and Rizzo let that disaster happen in STL, he just yawned and took down Fat Adams like it was nothing. Cutter, Cutter, Cutter, let's go home boys.
Too bad he's being wasted on a team that can't seem to get it together. I'm not saying it's too late by any means, but it's frustrating to see them stumble along.
Oh I know, dude. They're 19-19 in May, to find a team that was .500 at this point in the season and made, say, a league Championship Series you'd have to go all of the way back to last year (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2016-schedule-scores.shtml). To find a team that was 19-19 and managed to win the NLC a year after making it to the World Series you gotta go all of the way back to 2014 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/STL/2014-schedule-scores.shtml). To find a team that was .500 this late in the year (or even, like, a month and a half later) and made the world series you gotta go all of the way back to 2015 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/2015-schedule-scores.shtml).
Such a waste.
I did have the thought, last night, that choosing any time on this homestand for Davis to blow his first Save would be tough to swallow. Hopefully they get on a roll on this homestand and when Davis does blow his first save--which will happen at some point-- that it'll be when they're 10 over and in first place. I know the thought of "getting a blown save out of the way" is irrational, but so is investing our emotion in contests over. which we have no control so here we are.
...or instead of blowing his first save at an inopportune time, he can come in with a 3-run lead and get his first bad outing out of the way, and the Cubs sill win. Win-Win.
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Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2017, 08:14:38 AM
Wade Davis is the most amazing closer I have ever seen. He doesn't even break a sweat out there. Even the one time he seemed like he even had the possibility of blowing it, after Willson and Rizzo let that disaster happen in STL, he just yawned and took down Fat Adams like it was nothing. Cutter, Cutter, Cutter, let's go home boys.
Too bad he's being wasted on a team that can't seem to get it together. I'm not saying it's too late by any means, but it's frustrating to see them stumble along.
Oh I know, dude. They're 19-19 in May, to find a team that was .500 at this point in the season and made, say, a league Championship Series you'd have to go all of the way back to last year (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2016-schedule-scores.shtml). To find a team that was 19-19 and managed to win the NLC a year after making it to the World Series you gotta go all of the way back to 2014 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/STL/2014-schedule-scores.shtml). To find a team that was .500 this late in the year (or even, like, a month and a half later) and made the world series you gotta go all of the way back to 2015 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/2015-schedule-scores.shtml).
Such a waste.
I did have the thought, last night, that choosing any time on this homestand for Davis to blow his first Save would be tough to swallow. Hopefully they get on a roll on this homestand and when Davis does blow his first save--which will happen at some point-- that it'll be when they're 10 over and in first place. I know the thought of "getting a blown save out of the way" is irrational, but so is investing our emotion in contests over. which we have no control so here we are.
...or instead of blowing his first save at an inopportune time, he can come in with a 3-run lead and get his first bad outing out of the way, and the Cubs sill win. Win-Win.
The Ol' Rod Beck Save.
Quote from: SKO on May 25, 2017, 09:18:08 AM
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Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2017, 08:14:38 AM
Wade Davis is the most amazing closer I have ever seen. He doesn't even break a sweat out there. Even the one time he seemed like he even had the possibility of blowing it, after Willson and Rizzo let that disaster happen in STL, he just yawned and took down Fat Adams like it was nothing. Cutter, Cutter, Cutter, let's go home boys.
Too bad he's being wasted on a team that can't seem to get it together. I'm not saying it's too late by any means, but it's frustrating to see them stumble along.
Oh I know, dude. They're 19-19 in May, to find a team that was .500 at this point in the season and made, say, a league Championship Series you'd have to go all of the way back to last year (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2016-schedule-scores.shtml). To find a team that was 19-19 and managed to win the NLC a year after making it to the World Series you gotta go all of the way back to 2014 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/STL/2014-schedule-scores.shtml). To find a team that was .500 this late in the year (or even, like, a month and a half later) and made the world series you gotta go all of the way back to 2015 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/2015-schedule-scores.shtml).
Such a waste.
I did have the thought, last night, that choosing any time on this homestand for Davis to blow his first Save would be tough to swallow. Hopefully they get on a roll on this homestand and when Davis does blow his first save--which will happen at some point-- that it'll be when they're 10 over and in first place. I know the thought of "getting a blown save out of the way" is irrational, but so is investing our emotion in contests over. which we have no control so here we are.
...or instead of blowing his first save at an inopportune time, he can come in with a 3-run lead and get his first bad outing out of the way, and the Cubs sill win. Win-Win.
The Ol' Rod Beck Sweaty Joe Borowski Save.
Quote from: thehawk on May 25, 2017, 10:31:57 AM
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Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2017, 08:14:38 AM
Wade Davis is the most amazing closer I have ever seen. He doesn't even break a sweat out there. Even the one time he seemed like he even had the possibility of blowing it, after Willson and Rizzo let that disaster happen in STL, he just yawned and took down Fat Adams like it was nothing. Cutter, Cutter, Cutter, let's go home boys.
Too bad he's being wasted on a team that can't seem to get it together. I'm not saying it's too late by any means, but it's frustrating to see them stumble along.
Oh I know, dude. They're 19-19 in May, to find a team that was .500 at this point in the season and made, say, a league Championship Series you'd have to go all of the way back to last year (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2016-schedule-scores.shtml). To find a team that was 19-19 and managed to win the NLC a year after making it to the World Series you gotta go all of the way back to 2014 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/STL/2014-schedule-scores.shtml). To find a team that was .500 this late in the year (or even, like, a month and a half later) and made the world series you gotta go all of the way back to 2015 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/2015-schedule-scores.shtml).
Such a waste.
I did have the thought, last night, that choosing any time on this homestand for Davis to blow his first Save would be tough to swallow. Hopefully they get on a roll on this homestand and when Davis does blow his first save--which will happen at some point-- that it'll be when they're 10 over and in first place. I know the thought of "getting a blown save out of the way" is irrational, but so is investing our emotion in contests over. which we have no control so here we are.
...or instead of blowing his first save at an inopportune time, he can come in with a 3-run lead and get his first bad outing out of the way, and the Cubs sill win. Win-Win.
The Ol' Rod Beck Sweaty Joe Borowski Save.
The Ol' Fat Guy Closer Save. The only thing closer to a grabber than him is you when they're pitching.
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2017, 04:20:23 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 15, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
How long until DFA-ing Stop is an option? He's becoming a massive liability. Also, whoever had the idea to throw Cutch 4 straight sliders when the guy can't hit a 95 mph fastball anymore needs to spend some more time with the opposing scouting reports.
It's more than four fucking innings, you dope.
Not that we need further evidence CFIHP is a fucking moran, but since he posted this idiotic notion Strop has a 2.31 ERA and has struck out 32 in 27 2/3 innings.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 15, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
How long until DFA-ing Stop is an option? He's becoming a massive liability. Also, whoever had the idea to throw Cutch 4 straight sliders when the guy can't hit a 95 mph fastball anymore needs to spend some more time with the opposing scouting reports.
It's more than four fucking innings, you dope.
Not that we need further evidence CFIHP is a fucking moran, but since he posted this idiotic notion Strop has a 2.31 ERA and has struck out 32 in 27 2/3 innings.
Strop going from fucking ghastly to lights-out isn't exactly a new thing around here.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 05, 2017, 03:43:58 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2017, 03:40:36 PM
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 15, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
How long until DFA-ing Stop is an option? He's becoming a massive liability. Also, whoever had the idea to throw Cutch 4 straight sliders when the guy can't hit a 95 mph fastball anymore needs to spend some more time with the opposing scouting reports.
It's more than four fucking innings, you dope.
Not that we need further evidence CFIHP is a fucking moran, but since he posted this idiotic notion Strop has a 2.31 ERA and has struck out 32 in 27 2/3 innings.
Strop going from fucking ghastly to lights-out isn't exactly a new thing around here.
Indeed, my response to him back then was that stretches of inexplicable wildness followed by prolonged awesome is basically the entire Pedro Strop experience in a nutshell.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 15, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
How long until DFA-ing Stop is an option? He's becoming a massive liability. Also, whoever had the idea to throw Cutch 4 straight sliders when the guy can't hit a 95 mph fastball anymore needs to spend some more time with the opposing scouting reports.
It's more than four fucking innings, you dope.
Not that we need further evidence CFIHP is a fucking moran, but since he posted this idiotic notion Strop has a 2.31 ERA and has struck out 32 in 27 2/3 innings.
Strop going from fucking ghastly to lights-out isn't exactly a new thing around here.
Indeed, my response to him back then was that stretches of inexplicable wildness followed by prolonged awesome is basically the entire Pedro Strop experience in a nutshell.
Taking the whole package, he's still one of the better 7th inning guys around.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 05, 2017, 04:30:55 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2017, 03:56:33 PM
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 15, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
How long until DFA-ing Stop is an option? He's becoming a massive liability. Also, whoever had the idea to throw Cutch 4 straight sliders when the guy can't hit a 95 mph fastball anymore needs to spend some more time with the opposing scouting reports.
It's more than four fucking innings, you dope.
Not that we need further evidence CFIHP is a fucking moran, but since he posted this idiotic notion Strop has a 2.31 ERA and has struck out 32 in 27 2/3 innings.
Strop going from fucking ghastly to lights-out isn't exactly a new thing around here.
Indeed, my response to him back then was that stretches of inexplicable wildness followed by prolonged awesome is basically the entire Pedro Strop experience in a nutshell.
Taking the whole package, he's still one of the better 7th inning guys around.
Guys, are we seriously not doing "phrasing" anymore?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 05, 2017, 04:40:46 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 05, 2017, 04:30:55 PM
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Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2017, 03:40:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2017, 04:20:23 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 15, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
How long until DFA-ing Stop is an option? He's becoming a massive liability. Also, whoever had the idea to throw Cutch 4 straight sliders when the guy can't hit a 95 mph fastball anymore needs to spend some more time with the opposing scouting reports.
It's more than four fucking innings, you dope.
Not that we need further evidence CFIHP is a fucking moran, but since he posted this idiotic notion Strop has a 2.31 ERA and has struck out 32 in 27 2/3 innings.
Strop going from fucking ghastly to lights-out isn't exactly a new thing around here.
Indeed, my response to him back then was that stretches of inexplicable wildness followed by prolonged awesome is basically the entire Pedro Strop experience in a nutshell.
Taking the whole package, he's still one of the better 7th inning guys around.
Guys, are we seriously not doing "phrasing" anymore?
Shouldn't that be a Sterling Archer response?
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 05, 2017, 04:40:46 PM
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Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2017, 03:56:33 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 05, 2017, 03:43:58 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2017, 03:40:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2017, 04:20:23 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 15, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
How long until DFA-ing Stop is an option? He's becoming a massive liability. Also, whoever had the idea to throw Cutch 4 straight sliders when the guy can't hit a 95 mph fastball anymore needs to spend some more time with the opposing scouting reports.
It's more than four fucking innings, you dope.
Not that we need further evidence CFIHP is a fucking moran, but since he posted this idiotic notion Strop has a 2.31 ERA and has struck out 32 in 27 2/3 innings.
Strop going from fucking ghastly to lights-out isn't exactly a new thing around here.
Indeed, my response to him back then was that stretches of inexplicable wildness followed by prolonged awesome is basically the entire Pedro Strop experience in a nutshell.
Taking the whole package, he's still one of the better 7th inning guys around.
Guys, are we seriously not doing "phrasing" anymore?
Shouldn't that be a Sterling Archer response?
Yeah, but no one really liked him much.
Rondon's looking pretty damn good lately. How soon until Joe tries him in a high-leverage situation?
When this bullpen is good, it's great.
But when it's bad, the 1988 Cubs bullpen averts its eyes.
Hopefully everyone got the suck out of their systems at once.
Yeesh!
Well then.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 19, 2017, 08:42:00 AM
Rondon's looking pretty damn good lately. How soon until Joe tries him in a high-leverage situation?
Fucking FORKSCOUT.
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 19, 2017, 08:42:00 AM
Rondon's looking pretty damn good lately. How soon until Joe tries him in a high-leverage situation?
Fucking FORKSCOUT.
This is pretty impressive.
By this point, I am confident that we're all baseball plebes compared to Theo, but, rather than go after another top-of-the-line starter (especially one that might turn out to be a rental), wouldn't it make more sense to grab another top-of-the-line reliever, who could be a Miller type in the post season?
Quote from: Canadouche on July 23, 2017, 06:02:29 PM
By this point, I am confident that we're all baseball plebes compared to Theo, but, rather than go after another top-of-the-line starter (especially one that might turn out to be a rental), wouldn't it make more sense to grab another top-of-the-line reliever, who could be a Miller type in the post season?
Who is the Miller type you think they should get?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 23, 2017, 06:59:32 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 23, 2017, 06:02:29 PM
By this point, I am confident that we're all baseball plebes compared to Theo, but, rather than go after another top-of-the-line starter (especially one that might turn out to be a rental), wouldn't it make more sense to grab another top-of-the-line reliever, who could be a Miller type in the post season?
Who is the Miller type you think they should get?
I'm not even going to bother to exercise the brain cells on a hypothetical, but while he was universally seen as being an amazing set-up man, Miller didn't achieve his mythical status until after the Indians traded for him and used him in an unconventional, and highly successful, way. I would have to think that there are some non-competitive teams out there who have amazing set-up men that they might be persuaded to trade, and probably for a smaller package than whoever the Cubs give up to yield a pitcher like Darvish. And while we're on the subject, if the Cubs did go out and get Darvish, who would he be replacing on the playoff roster as a starter?
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 23, 2017, 06:59:32 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 23, 2017, 06:02:29 PM
By this point, I am confident that we're all baseball plebes compared to Theo, but, rather than go after another top-of-the-line starter (especially one that might turn out to be a rental), wouldn't it make more sense to grab another top-of-the-line reliever, who could be a Miller type in the post season?
Who is the Miller type you think they should get?
I'm not even going to bother to exercise the brain cells on a hypothetical, but while he was universally seen as being an amazing set-up man, Miller didn't achieve his mythical status until after the Indians traded for him and used him in an unconventional, and highly successful, way. I would have to think that there are some non-competitive teams out there who have amazing set-up men that they might be persuaded to trade, and probably for a smaller package than whoever the Cubs give up to yield a pitcher like Darvish. And while we're on the subject, if the Cubs did go out and get Darvish, who would he be replacing on the playoff roster as a starter?
I'm sorry are you arguing that Andrew Miller, he of the 48 million dollar contract,who was traded for a top 100 prospect among others, wasn't well known or acknowledged as an elite reliever before he ended up in Cleveland?
Quote from: SKO on July 24, 2017, 12:02:05 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 23, 2017, 09:33:48 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 23, 2017, 06:59:32 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 23, 2017, 06:02:29 PM
By this point, I am confident that we're all baseball plebes compared to Theo, but, rather than go after another top-of-the-line starter (especially one that might turn out to be a rental), wouldn't it make more sense to grab another top-of-the-line reliever, who could be a Miller type in the post season?
Who is the Miller type you think they should get?
I'm not even going to bother to exercise the brain cells on a hypothetical, but while he was universally seen as being an amazing set-up man, Miller didn't achieve his mythical status until after the Indians traded for him and used him in an unconventional, and highly successful, way. I would have to think that there are some non-competitive teams out there who have amazing set-up men that they might be persuaded to trade, and probably for a smaller package than whoever the Cubs give up to yield a pitcher like Darvish. And while we're on the subject, if the Cubs did go out and get Darvish, who would he be replacing on the playoff roster as a starter?
I'm sorry are you arguing that Andrew Miller, he of the 48 million dollar contract,who was traded for a top 100 prospect among others, wasn't well known or acknowledged as an elite reliever before he ended up in Cleveland?
Yeah... I don't understand this Kurt argument at all.
I'll take a crack at the Darvish question though.
1. Lester
2. Darvish
3. Quintana
4. Arrieta/Hendricks -- whoever pitched better down the stretch
Bullpen:
Montgomery
Hendricks/Arrieta
Back home in Texas, aggressively questioning his wife whether or not she has cancer yet, and definitely not within 100 names of the playoff roster:
Lackey
I mean, if they could actualy get Britton, that would be cool I guess.
...but really though, did Kurt just block out the 9 million sportswriters who were trying to trade Kyle Schwarber for Andrew Miller last year because he was TEH MISSING PIECE? If so, good work I guess
Quote from: SKO on July 24, 2017, 08:07:52 AM...but really though, did Kurt just block out the 9 million sportswriters who were trying to trade Kyle Schwarber for Andrew Miller last year because he was TEH MISSING PIECE? If so, good work I guess
Kurt, no one will think any less of you if you visit this thread (http://desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7056.0) and admit you have never actually watched baseball.
Quote from: SKO on July 24, 2017, 08:07:52 AM
...but really though, did Kurt just block out the 9 million sportswriters who were trying to trade Kyle Schwarber for Andrew Miller last year because he was TEH MISSING PIECE? If so, good work I guess
I kind of expected people to focus on that.
QuoteI'm not even going to bother to exercise the brain cells on a hypothetical, but while he was universally seen as being an amazing set-up man, Miller didn't achieve his mythical status until after the Indians traded for him and used him in an unconventional, and highly successful, way. I would have to think that there are some non-competitive teams out there who have amazing set-up men that they might be persuaded to trade, and probably for a smaller package than whoever the Cubs give up to yield a pitcher like Darvish. And while we're on the subject, if the Cubs did go out and get Darvish, who would he be replacing on the playoff roster as a starter?
Kurt: Wouldn't this hypothetical deal be great?
Also Kurt: I don't waste brain cells on hypotheticals.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 24, 2017, 11:26:34 PM
Kurt: Wouldn't this hypothetical deal be great?
Also Kurt: I don't waste brain cells on hypotheticals.
Just being realistic - we don't possess the same tools as Theo or any other exec, so any specific trade scenario we cook up would be ill-informed at best. I think there's a pretty significant difference between saying "why not a reliable reliever" and saying "this guy for these guys."
MotherFUCK.
This fucking bullpen.
Fortunately, that fucking bullpen was worse.
Is it me, or does CEJ have issues going on the second day of back to back outings?
Quote from: thehawk on August 17, 2017, 09:22:55 AM
Is it me, or does CEJ have issues going on the second day of back to back outings?
It's not just you. If he has 1 day in between outings he's got an opponent OPS against of .509 and his ERA is 2.49. On 0 Days rest he has an opponent OPS against of .745 and an ERA 3.38.
Weirdly enough his worst numbers have come when he's had 2 days off in between appearances. Some of this is probably just small sample size weirdness, but it does seem like he benefits from fairly regular usage with a day in between each appearance.
Maybe I should be more worried about this bullpen than I have been most of the season. Especially with an eye toward postseason high leverage situations.
They only really have one guy they can count on, Wade Davis, and even he has had his bouts with shakiness.
Duensing and Edwards are effective to a certain extent but not always reliably so -- Carl has had some really bad meltdowns and can't pitch every day (despite Joe's belief to the contrary) and while Duensing has had a solid season I don't know if I trust that to continue.
The next tier down is Strop and Montgomery: great in certain spots, but inconsistent and prone to giving up more than their fair share of runs.
After that, it's who-the-hell-knows with Grimm, Rondon, and Wilson.
I don't think there's much they can do at this point. Did Britton clear waivers?
Justin Wilson might be the worst reliever the Cubs have ever had. Grimm possibly second-worst.
Quote from: Brownie on August 17, 2017, 05:09:36 PM
Justin Wilson might be the worst reliever the Cubs have ever had. Grimm possibly second-worst.
I just got hit in the head with the toy TJ threw across the room.
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Quote from: Brownie on August 17, 2017, 05:09:36 PM
Justin Wilson might be the worst reliever the Cubs have ever had. Grimm possibly second-worst.
I just got hit in the head with the toy TJ threw across the room.
Must be nice to have forgotten the Jose Veras era
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 17, 2017, 04:25:33 PM
Maybe I should be more worried about this bullpen than I have been most of the season. Especially with an eye toward postseason high leverage situations.
They only really have one guy they can count on, Wade Davis, and even he has had his bouts with shakiness.
Duensing and Edwards are effective to a certain extent but not always reliably so -- Carl has had some really bad meltdowns and can't pitch every day (despite Joe's belief to the contrary) and while Duensing has had a solid season I don't know if I trust that to continue.
The next tier down is Strop and Montgomery: great in certain spots, but inconsistent and prone to giving up more than their fair share of runs.
After that, it's who-the-hell-knows with Grimm, Rondon, and Wilson.
I don't think there's much they can do at this point. Did Britton clear waivers?
I'll be honest--I'm not as worried about the bullpen as their regular season would normally lead someone to be. At least I don't know whether the Cubs bullpen is really any better or worse than any of the teams they'll be squaring off against in the playoffs. The bullpen was average-to-good in the first half (Davis and Edwards were pretty good, on balance, and in any event they were not to blame for the team's sluggish 1st half nearly as much as the rotation). It hurt when CEJ blew two games in a week against playoff-caliber teams at a time when the Cubs had sort of turned things around and which prevented them from having an even more monstrous start to the second half. Shit, if CEJ is Good CEJ in that week the Cubs go 4-2 against AZ and WASH instead of the opposite and everyone's probably a little more optimistic. They're certainly pretty uneven right now and not exactly exuding confidence, but there're still 6 weeks for them to get it straight and--for the one millionth time it seems it should be said--this year and this division has luckily afforded them all season to get their shit straight.
TL;DR: Edwards, Strop and Wade will be as good as any other playoff team's bullpen, even LA's (I also think Wilson will have turned it around by September. He fucking better).
Quote from: A. Baldheaded Prick on August 18, 2017, 08:56:20 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 17, 2017, 04:25:33 PM
Maybe I should be more worried about this bullpen than I have been most of the season. Especially with an eye toward postseason high leverage situations.
They only really have one guy they can count on, Wade Davis, and even he has had his bouts with shakiness.
Duensing and Edwards are effective to a certain extent but not always reliably so -- Carl has had some really bad meltdowns and can't pitch every day (despite Joe's belief to the contrary) and while Duensing has had a solid season I don't know if I trust that to continue.
The next tier down is Strop and Montgomery: great in certain spots, but inconsistent and prone to giving up more than their fair share of runs.
After that, it's who-the-hell-knows with Grimm, Rondon, and Wilson.
I don't think there's much they can do at this point. Did Britton clear waivers?
I'll be honest--I'm not as worried about the bullpen as their regular season would normally lead someone to be. At least I don't know whether the Cubs bullpen is really any better or worse than any of the teams they'll be squaring off against in the playoffs. The bullpen was average-to-good in the first half (Davis and Edwards were pretty good, on balance, and in any event they were not to blame for their sluggish 1st half nearly as much as the rotation). It hurt when CEJ blew two games in a week against playoff-caliber teams at a time when the Cubs has sort of turned things around and which prevented them from having an even more monstrous start to the second half. Shit, if CEJ is Good CEJ in that week the Cubs go 4-2 against AZ and WASH instead of the opposite and everyone's probably a little more optimistic. They're certainly pretty uneven right now and not exactly exuding confidence, but there're still 6 weeks for them to get it straight and--for the one millionth time it seems it should be said--this year and this division has luckily afforded them all season to get their shit straight.
TL;DR: Edwards, Strop and Wade will be as good as any other playoff team's bullpen, even LA's (I also think Wilson will have turned it around by September. He fucking better).
It's been a while since I've seen anybody look as visibly lost as Wilson does out there at the moment. Joe needs to get him into a few laughers or heavy losses, stat - send him out there when it doesn't matter how he pitches and maybe he'll remember how to throw a fucking strike. Otherwise, it's hard to see how he's going to turn it around.
Quote from: Tonker on August 18, 2017, 10:26:56 AM
Quote from: A. Baldheaded Prick on August 18, 2017, 08:56:20 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 17, 2017, 04:25:33 PM
Maybe I should be more worried about this bullpen than I have been most of the season. Especially with an eye toward postseason high leverage situations.
They only really have one guy they can count on, Wade Davis, and even he has had his bouts with shakiness.
Duensing and Edwards are effective to a certain extent but not always reliably so -- Carl has had some really bad meltdowns and can't pitch every day (despite Joe's belief to the contrary) and while Duensing has had a solid season I don't know if I trust that to continue.
The next tier down is Strop and Montgomery: great in certain spots, but inconsistent and prone to giving up more than their fair share of runs.
After that, it's who-the-hell-knows with Grimm, Rondon, and Wilson.
I don't think there's much they can do at this point. Did Britton clear waivers?
I'll be honest--I'm not as worried about the bullpen as their regular season would normally lead someone to be. At least I don't know whether the Cubs bullpen is really any better or worse than any of the teams they'll be squaring off against in the playoffs. The bullpen was average-to-good in the first half (Davis and Edwards were pretty good, on balance, and in any event they were not to blame for their sluggish 1st half nearly as much as the rotation). It hurt when CEJ blew two games in a week against playoff-caliber teams at a time when the Cubs has sort of turned things around and which prevented them from having an even more monstrous start to the second half. Shit, if CEJ is Good CEJ in that week the Cubs go 4-2 against AZ and WASH instead of the opposite and everyone's probably a little more optimistic. They're certainly pretty uneven right now and not exactly exuding confidence, but there're still 6 weeks for them to get it straight and--for the one millionth time it seems it should be said--this year and this division has luckily afforded them all season to get their shit straight.
TL;DR: Edwards, Strop and Wade will be as good as any other playoff team's bullpen, even LA's (I also think Wilson will have turned it around by September. He fucking better).
It's been a while since I've seen anybody look as visibly lost as Wilson does out there at the moment. Joe needs to get him into a few laughers or heavy losses, stat - send him out there when it doesn't matter how he pitches and maybe he'll remember how to throw a fucking strike. Otherwise, it's hard to see how he's going to turn it around.
Man it's like David Weather in 2001 all over again!
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 17, 2017, 04:25:33 PM
Maybe I should be more worried about this bullpen than I have been most of the season. Especially with an eye toward postseason high leverage situations.
They only really have one guy they can count on, Wade Davis, and even he has had his bouts with shakiness.
Duensing and Edwards are effective to a certain extent but not always reliably so -- Carl has had some really bad meltdowns and can't pitch every day (despite Joe's belief to the contrary) and while Duensing has had a solid season I don't know if I trust that to continue.
The next tier down is Strop and Montgomery: great in certain spots, but inconsistent and prone to giving up more than their fair share of runs.
After that, it's who-the-hell-knows with Grimm, Rondon, and Wilson.
I don't think there's much they can do at this point. Did Britton clear waivers?
So...just like every bullpen in the history of baseball?
Quote from: A. Baldheaded Prick on August 18, 2017, 10:49:46 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 18, 2017, 10:26:56 AM
Quote from: A. Baldheaded Prick on August 18, 2017, 08:56:20 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 17, 2017, 04:25:33 PM
Maybe I should be more worried about this bullpen than I have been most of the season. Especially with an eye toward postseason high leverage situations.
They only really have one guy they can count on, Wade Davis, and even he has had his bouts with shakiness.
Duensing and Edwards are effective to a certain extent but not always reliably so -- Carl has had some really bad meltdowns and can't pitch every day (despite Joe's belief to the contrary) and while Duensing has had a solid season I don't know if I trust that to continue.
The next tier down is Strop and Montgomery: great in certain spots, but inconsistent and prone to giving up more than their fair share of runs.
After that, it's who-the-hell-knows with Grimm, Rondon, and Wilson.
I don't think there's much they can do at this point. Did Britton clear waivers?
I'll be honest--I'm not as worried about the bullpen as their regular season would normally lead someone to be. At least I don't know whether the Cubs bullpen is really any better or worse than any of the teams they'll be squaring off against in the playoffs. The bullpen was average-to-good in the first half (Davis and Edwards were pretty good, on balance, and in any event they were not to blame for their sluggish 1st half nearly as much as the rotation). It hurt when CEJ blew two games in a week against playoff-caliber teams at a time when the Cubs has sort of turned things around and which prevented them from having an even more monstrous start to the second half. Shit, if CEJ is Good CEJ in that week the Cubs go 4-2 against AZ and WASH instead of the opposite and everyone's probably a little more optimistic. They're certainly pretty uneven right now and not exactly exuding confidence, but there're still 6 weeks for them to get it straight and--for the one millionth time it seems it should be said--this year and this division has luckily afforded them all season to get their shit straight.
TL;DR: Edwards, Strop and Wade will be as good as any other playoff team's bullpen, even LA's (I also think Wilson will have turned it around by September. He fucking better).
It's been a while since I've seen anybody look as visibly lost as Wilson does out there at the moment. Joe needs to get him into a few laughers or heavy losses, stat - send him out there when it doesn't matter how he pitches and maybe he'll remember how to throw a fucking strike. Otherwise, it's hard to see how he's going to turn it around.
Man it's like David Weather in 2001 all over again!
You know I have a lot of Cubs memories from before I was 10 that stick out, but I never really followed the team closely bc I was too young. Just generic "go Cubs because dad and Grandpa like them" stuff. Then the 98 Cubs kinda hooked me for real, but right around age 13 in 2001 I really started to consider teenage rebellion. Mark Grace was my favorite and he'd jumped ship to Arizona, and they were a young, hip expansion franchise with stars. I might have jumped to Arizona had the 2001 Cubs not also gotten off to an unexpectedly hot start that kept me on the line just long enough to be pretty upset when they blew it down the stretch. Their downfall pretty much started with the Weathers and Tucker acquisitions, so to this day I bear a very irrational hatred of them both. Shit, Tucker was actually pretty good as a Cub in 2001 just going off the numbers. It doesn't matter. I despise him.
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 17, 2017, 04:25:33 PM
Maybe I should be more worried about this bullpen than I have been most of the season. Especially with an eye toward postseason high leverage situations.
They only really have one guy they can count on, Wade Davis, and even he has had his bouts with shakiness.
Duensing and Edwards are effective to a certain extent but not always reliably so -- Carl has had some really bad meltdowns and can't pitch every day (despite Joe's belief to the contrary) and while Duensing has had a solid season I don't know if I trust that to continue.
The next tier down is Strop and Montgomery: great in certain spots, but inconsistent and prone to giving up more than their fair share of runs.
After that, it's who-the-hell-knows with Grimm, Rondon, and Wilson.
I don't think there's much they can do at this point. Did Britton clear waivers?
I'll be honest--I'm not as worried about the bullpen as their regular season would normally lead someone to be. At least I don't know whether the Cubs bullpen is really any better or worse than any of the teams they'll be squaring off against in the playoffs. The bullpen was average-to-good in the first half (Davis and Edwards were pretty good, on balance, and in any event they were not to blame for their sluggish 1st half nearly as much as the rotation). It hurt when CEJ blew two games in a week against playoff-caliber teams at a time when the Cubs has sort of turned things around and which prevented them from having an even more monstrous start to the second half. Shit, if CEJ is Good CEJ in that week the Cubs go 4-2 against AZ and WASH instead of the opposite and everyone's probably a little more optimistic. They're certainly pretty uneven right now and not exactly exuding confidence, but there're still 6 weeks for them to get it straight and--for the one millionth time it seems it should be said--this year and this division has luckily afforded them all season to get their shit straight.
TL;DR: Edwards, Strop and Wade will be as good as any other playoff team's bullpen, even LA's (I also think Wilson will have turned it around by September. He fucking better).
It's been a while since I've seen anybody look as visibly lost as Wilson does out there at the moment. Joe needs to get him into a few laughers or heavy losses, stat - send him out there when it doesn't matter how he pitches and maybe he'll remember how to throw a fucking strike. Otherwise, it's hard to see how he's going to turn it around.
Man it's like David Weather in 2001 all over again!
You know I have a lot of Cubs memories from before I was 10 that stick out, but I never really followed the team closely bc I was too young. Just generic "go Cubs because dad and Grandpa like them" stuff. Then the 98 Cubs kinda hooked me for real, but right around age 13 in 2001 I really started to consider teenage rebellion. Mark Grace was my favorite and he'd jumped ship to Arizona, and they were a young, hip expansion franchise with stars. I might have jumped to Arizona had the 2001 Cubs not also gotten off to an unexpectedly hot start that kept me on the line just long enough to be pretty upset when they blew it down the stretch. Their downfall pretty much started with the Weathers and Tucker acquisitions, so to this day I bear a very irrational hatred of them both. Shit, Tucker was actually pretty good as a Cub in 2001 just going off the numbers. It doesn't matter. I despise him.
Me too.
Also, about a few month after Weathers showed up and was bad my brother told me that DAY VOTTO--who was color guy for the Cubs' broadcasts that year, alternating with Joe Carter on TV that year--told my brother that Weathers basically complained about being hurt from the moment he arrived.
Nice choice, Andy.
I should add that I was a fan beginning in 1979 and 2001 was the first time in my fandom that the Cubs were legitimately in contention and managed to fade--the reputation people had of the Cubs thanks to the Durocher-Era Cubs wasn't actually true in my life until that season. Until then, every time (yes ALL THREE TIMES in '84, '89 '98) that they were in contention at Labor Day they closed the deal, and I spent a great deal of time arguing with Cub-hating strangers on the Internet during that season who said the Cubs "were going to choke like they always do" pointing out that the only 3 times in 3 decades that they had a chance to choke anything away that they actually closed the deal...until they actually did play themselves out of contention that September (Fuck YOU, Tom Gordon and Kyle Farnsworth).
I understand of course that this says more about the fact that the Cubs rarely ever did compete but that's a different point altogether.
Good times.
Quote from: A. Baldheaded Prick on August 18, 2017, 11:36:39 AM
I should add that I was a fan beginning in 1979 and 2001 was the first time in my fandom that the Cubs were legitimately in contention and managed to fade--the reputation people had of the Cubs thanks to the Durocher-Era Cubs wasn't actually true in my life until that season. Until then, every time (yes ALL THREE TIMES in '84, '89 '98) that they were in contention at Labor Day they closed the deal, and I spent a great deal of time arguing with Cub-hating strangers on the Internet during that season who said the Cubs "were going to choke like they always do" pointing out that the only 3 times in 3 decades that they had a chance to choke anything away that they actually closed the deal...until they actually did play themselves out of contention that September (Fuck YOU, Tom Gordon and Kyle Farnsworth).
I understand of course that this says more about the fact that the Cubs rarely ever did compete but that's a different point altogether.
Good times.
Age has its privileges. My fandom goes back to 1942, when I first became aware of the Cubs. (Although I have a photograph of my older brother at the age of 5 or so in the 1930s wearing a complete Cub uniform. I always got hand me downs, but somehow I never got that uniform.) The forties were not terrible for the Cubs; a pennant and some decent finishes. But then there was a long drought and a few heartbreaks from the 50s on. I no longer lived in Chicago, and the Cubs were rarely on national TV. I did go to Giant games whenever the Cubs came to town, confusing the hell out of my bride, who couldn't understand my unflinching loyalty or my deep depression in 1983. The 2016 championship was a great relief. One of my thoughts last October was that I could finally let go...if I wanted to.
Quote from: Brownie on August 17, 2017, 05:09:36 PM
Justin Wilson might be the worst reliever the Cubs have ever had. Grimm possibly second-worst.
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0818/chicago_g_gregg_200.jpg)
"Say what?"
If there's another tolerable arm in Iowa after calling up Zastryzny and Pena, it might be a good time for Wilson to come up with some "elbow tendinitis" or such. Take a few days off, and throw some rehab innings in the PCL to see if he can find the plate.
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Justin Wilson might be the worst reliever the Cubs have ever had. Grimm possibly second-worst.
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0818/chicago_g_gregg_200.jpg)
"Say what?"
4.13 ERA in 134 appearances. Nice try
What the fuck Hector?
Quote from: flannj on August 23, 2017, 09:06:00 PM
What the fuck Hector?
I think he's just done. He's just never been the same dude since the triceps injury last year. It sucks, because peak Hector was as good as any reliever in baseball
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What the fuck Hector?
I think he's just done. He's just never been the same dude since the triceps injury last year. It sucks, because peak Hector was as good as any reliever in baseball
He hit 99 the night before while cleaning up Duensing's mess.
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What the fuck Hector?
I think he's just done. He's just never been the same dude since the triceps injury last year. It sucks, because peak Hector was as good as any reliever in baseball
He hit 99 the night before while cleaning up Duensing's mess.
Fastball is still down from last year, which was already down from 2015, but the problem doesn't seem to be his velocity it's his movement, which can be affected by injury too. He used to have that wicked 2 seamer and now everything he throws just catches too much of the plate, and he never had a great slider to begin with.
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What the fuck Hector?
I think he's just done. He's just never been the same dude since the triceps injury last year. It sucks, because peak Hector was as good as any reliever in baseball
He hit 99 the night before while cleaning up Duensing's mess.
Fastball is still down from last year, which was already down from 2015, but the problem doesn't seem to be his velocity it's his movement, which can be affected by injury too. He used to have that wicked 2 seamer and now everything he throws just catches too much of the plate, and he never had a great slider to begin with.
Any credence to the notion that he's tipping his pitches?
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What the fuck Hector?
I think he's just done. He's just never been the same dude since the triceps injury last year. It sucks, because peak Hector was as good as any reliever in baseball
He hit 99 the night before while cleaning up Duensing's mess.
Fastball is still down from last year, which was already down from 2015, but the problem doesn't seem to be his velocity it's his movement, which can be affected by injury too. He used to have that wicked 2 seamer and now everything he throws just catches too much of the plate, and he never had a great slider to begin with.
His walk rate is 9.7%, the highest it's been since his rookie season. I'd say he's not getting enough of the plate.
Plus, taking a quick gander at his splits on B-R, it appears that if he's 1-1 or behind in the count, he starts throwing get-me-over shit that's getting hammered.
So his overall lack of command is causing him to play it too safe, and he's getting lit up.
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Quote from: flannj on August 23, 2017, 09:06:00 PM
What the fuck Hector?
I think he's just done. He's just never been the same dude since the triceps injury last year. It sucks, because peak Hector was as good as any reliever in baseball
He hit 99 the night before while cleaning up Duensing's mess.
Fastball is still down from last year, which was already down from 2015, but the problem doesn't seem to be his velocity it's his movement, which can be affected by injury too. He used to have that wicked 2 seamer and now everything he throws just catches too much of the plate, and he never had a great slider to begin with.
His walk rate is 9.7%, the highest it's been since his rookie season. I'd say he's not getting enough of the plate.
Plus, taking a quick gander at his splits on B-R, it appears that if he's 1-1 or behind in the count, he starts throwing get-me-over shit that's getting hammered.
So his overall lack of command is causing him to play it too safe, and he's getting lit up.
One could say that a function of loss of command/loss of movement is that your fastball does not go where you expect it to go, which means you can A) walk a lot of guys while also B) leaving fastballs in the heart of the zone when you miss inside rather than out.
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Quote from: flannj on August 23, 2017, 09:06:00 PM
What the fuck Hector?
I think he's just done. He's just never been the same dude since the triceps injury last year. It sucks, because peak Hector was as good as any reliever in baseball
He hit 99 the night before while cleaning up Duensing's mess.
Fastball is still down from last year, which was already down from 2015, but the problem doesn't seem to be his velocity it's his movement, which can be affected by injury too. He used to have that wicked 2 seamer and now everything he throws just catches too much of the plate, and he never had a great slider to begin with.
Any credence to the notion that he's tipping his pitches?
No idea? I'm not being ForkScout, just based on my untrained meatball observations it just looks like he doesn't hit 98/99 as often as he used to (backed up by stats) and the fastball he does have doesn't cut like it used to, velocity aside. I'm sure there's some Brooks Baseball thing that can confirm/deny this but I was just saying what it looked like to me.
TPD: http://www.brooksbaseball.net/velo.php?player=444468&time=month&startDate=03/30/2007&endDate=08/24/2017&s_type=2
This here makes it look like his velocity has been all over the place this year, as opposed to being fairly consistent month to month in 2015/16, and then the horizontal movement on his fastball especially has varied wildly as well. So guessing his mechanics are fucked and he has no idea where the fastball is going anymore.
Hi.
Also: Albert Ian. My dude. What was that.
(#8 looked like #5 on my phone)
For the love of God. Do they have a rota for who's going to cough up three runs in the eighth and/or ninth?
Here's hoping the Cubs put in, and will win, a claim on Juan Nicasio, who the Pirates put on release waivers for some reason.
Strop needs to work on his bat flip.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 29, 2017, 09:13:15 PM
Here's hoping the Cubs put in, and will win, a claim on Juan Nicasio, who the Pirates put on release waivers for some reason.
Damn it. The stupid non-contending Phillies won Nicasio. At least the Cubs won't have to face him in the playoffs.
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 29, 2017, 09:13:15 PM
Here's hoping the Cubs put in, and will win, a claim on Juan Nicasio, who the Pirates put on release waivers for some reason.
Damn it. The stupid non-contending Phillies won Nicasio. At least the Cubs won't have to face him in the playoffs.
I would kill for the Cubs to face Juan Nicasio in the playoffs. They absolutely wreck his shit. Last year he had a 7.56 ERA and 1.207 OPS against them, this year it's 9.00 ERA and .889.
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Here's hoping the Cubs put in, and will win, a claim on Juan Nicasio, who the Pirates put on release waivers for some reason.
Damn it. The stupid non-contending Phillies won Nicasio. At least the Cubs won't have to face him in the playoffs.
I would kill for the Cubs to face Juan Nicasio in the playoffs. They absolutely wreck his shit. Last year he had a 7.56 ERA and 1.207 OPS against them, this year it's 9.00 ERA and .889.
If the Cardinals got him he would have been good. That's the law.
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Here's hoping the Cubs put in, and will win, a claim on Juan Nicasio, who the Pirates put on release waivers for some reason.
Damn it. The stupid non-contending Phillies won Nicasio. At least the Cubs won't have to face him in the playoffs.
I would kill for the Cubs to face Juan Nicasio in the playoffs. They absolutely wreck his shit. Last year he had a 7.56 ERA and 1.207 OPS against them, this year it's 9.00 ERA and .889.
FYSKO
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Here's hoping the Cubs put in, and will win, a claim on Juan Nicasio, who the Pirates put on release waivers for some reason.
Damn it. The stupid non-contending Phillies won Nicasio. At least the Cubs won't have to face him in the playoffs.
I would kill for the Cubs to face Juan Nicasio in the playoffs. They absolutely wreck his shit. Last year he had a 7.56 ERA and 1.207 OPS against them, this year it's 9.00 ERA and .889.
FYSKO
meh...Nicasio teetered and, in any event, was so inefficient that he'll be rendered useless tomorrow.
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Here's hoping the Cubs put in, and will win, a claim on Juan Nicasio, who the Pirates put on release waivers for some reason.
Damn it. The stupid non-contending Phillies won Nicasio. At least the Cubs won't have to face him in the playoffs.
I would kill for the Cubs to face Juan Nicasio in the playoffs. They absolutely wreck his shit. Last year he had a 7.56 ERA and 1.207 OPS against them, this year it's 9.00 ERA and .889.
FYSKO
meh...Nicasio teetered and, in any event, was so inefficient that he'll be rendered useless tomorrow.
Yeah Bryant nearly tied the game on the first pitch he threw, he put two on in the 9th. Meh. If that's the best he can do against them my point stands.
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Here's hoping the Cubs put in, and will win, a claim on Juan Nicasio, who the Pirates put on release waivers for some reason.
Damn it. The stupid non-contending Phillies won Nicasio. At least the Cubs won't have to face him in the playoffs.
I would kill for the Cubs to face Juan Nicasio in the playoffs. They absolutely wreck his shit. Last year he had a 7.56 ERA and 1.207 OPS against them, this year it's 9.00 ERA and .889.
FYSKO
meh...Nicasio teetered and, in any event, was so inefficient that he'll be rendered useless tomorrow.
Yeah Bryant nearly tied the game on the first pitch he threw, he put two on in the 9th. Meh. If that's the best he can do against them my point stands.
It's my fault, guys. I yelled "TIE GAME!" as soon as the ball left Bryant's bat.
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Here's hoping the Cubs put in, and will win, a claim on Juan Nicasio, who the Pirates put on release waivers for some reason.
Damn it. The stupid non-contending Phillies won Nicasio. At least the Cubs won't have to face him in the playoffs.
I would kill for the Cubs to face Juan Nicasio in the playoffs. They absolutely wreck his shit. Last year he had a 7.56 ERA and 1.207 OPS against them, this year it's 9.00 ERA and .889.
FYSKO
meh...Nicasio teetered and, in any event, was so inefficient that he'll be rendered useless tomorrow.
Yeah Bryant nearly tied the game on the first pitch he threw, he put two on in the 9th. Meh. If that's the best he can do against them my point stands.
"After not wrecking his shit, my point about wrecking his shit still stands"
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Here's hoping the Cubs put in, and will win, a claim on Juan Nicasio, who the Pirates put on release waivers for some reason.
Damn it. The stupid non-contending Phillies won Nicasio. At least the Cubs won't have to face him in the playoffs.
I would kill for the Cubs to face Juan Nicasio in the playoffs. They absolutely wreck his shit. Last year he had a 7.56 ERA and 1.207 OPS against them, this year it's 9.00 ERA and .889.
FYSKO
meh...Nicasio teetered and, in any event, was so inefficient that he'll be rendered useless tomorrow.
Yeah Bryant nearly tied the game on the first pitch he threw, he put two on in the 9th. Meh. If that's the best he can do against them my point stands.
"After not wrecking his shit, my point about wrecking his shit still stands"
Yeah that lowered his career ERA vs the Cubs to 5.46 and they now only have a collective batting line against him of .296/.382/.544. They absolutely do not wreck his shit.
INTREPID READER SAUL GOODMAN:I don't always use small sample sizes to make my point, but when I do I make sure to use ONE FUCKING INNING to do so.
Shit his xFIP for that outing was 5.83. He was lucky not to blow it. He put 3 guys on base in an inning and a third.
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Here's hoping the Cubs put in, and will win, a claim on Juan Nicasio, who the Pirates put on release waivers for some reason.
Damn it. The stupid non-contending Phillies won Nicasio. At least the Cubs won't have to face him in the playoffs.
I would kill for the Cubs to face Juan Nicasio in the playoffs. They absolutely wreck his shit. Last year he had a 7.56 ERA and 1.207 OPS against them, this year it's 9.00 ERA and .889.
FYSKO
meh...Nicasio teetered and, in any event, was so inefficient that he'll be rendered useless tomorrow.
Yeah Bryant nearly tied the game on the first pitch he threw, he put two on in the 9th. Meh. If that's the best he can do against them my point stands.
"After not wrecking his shit, my point about wrecking his shit still stands"
Yeah that lowered his career ERA vs the Cubs to 5.46 and they now only have a collective batting line against him of .296/.382/.544. They absolutely do not wreck his shit.
INTREPID READER SAUL GOODMAN:
I don't always use small sample sizes to make my point, but when I do I make sure to use ONE FUCKING INNING to do so.
Shit his xFIP for that outing was 5.83. He was lucky not to blow it. He put 3 guys on base in an inning and a third.
You're the one who said he wanted more FYSKO's, buddy, so something something no good deed goes something.
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 29, 2017, 09:13:15 PM
Here's hoping the Cubs put in, and will win, a claim on Juan Nicasio, who the Pirates put on release waivers for some reason.
Damn it. The stupid non-contending Phillies won Nicasio. At least the Cubs won't have to face him in the playoffs.
I would kill for the Cubs to face Juan Nicasio in the playoffs. They absolutely wreck his shit. Last year he had a 7.56 ERA and 1.207 OPS against them, this year it's 9.00 ERA and .889.
FYSKO
meh...Nicasio teetered and, in any event, was so inefficient that he'll be rendered useless tomorrow.
Yeah Bryant nearly tied the game on the first pitch he threw, he put two on in the 9th. Meh. If that's the best he can do against them my point stands.
"After not wrecking his shit, my point about wrecking his shit still stands"
Yeah that lowered his career ERA vs the Cubs to 5.46 and they now only have a collective batting line against him of .296/.382/.544. They absolutely do not wreck his shit.
INTREPID READER SAUL GOODMAN:
I don't always use small sample sizes to make my point, but when I do I make sure to use ONE FUCKING INNING to do so.
Shit his xFIP for that outing was 5.83. He was lucky not to blow it. He put 3 guys on base in an inning and a third.
You're the one who said he wanted more FYSKO's, buddy, so something something no good deed goes something.
Ask, and ye shall receive (https://twitter.com/Cubs/status/913109157254959104).
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Here's hoping the Cubs put in, and will win, a claim on Juan Nicasio, who the Pirates put on release waivers for some reason.
Damn it. The stupid non-contending Phillies won Nicasio. At least the Cubs won't have to face him in the playoffs.
I would kill for the Cubs to face Juan Nicasio in the playoffs. They absolutely wreck his shit. Last year he had a 7.56 ERA and 1.207 OPS against them, this year it's 9.00 ERA and .889.
FYSKO
meh...Nicasio teetered and, in any event, was so inefficient that he'll be rendered useless tomorrow.
Yeah Bryant nearly tied the game on the first pitch he threw, he put two on in the 9th. Meh. If that's the best he can do against them my point stands.
"After not wrecking his shit, my point about wrecking his shit still stands"
Yeah that lowered his career ERA vs the Cubs to 5.46 and they now only have a collective batting line against him of .296/.382/.544. They absolutely do not wreck his shit.
INTREPID READER SAUL GOODMAN:
I don't always use small sample sizes to make my point, but when I do I make sure to use ONE FUCKING INNING to do so.
Shit his xFIP for that outing was 5.83. He was lucky not to blow it. He put 3 guys on base in an inning and a third.
You're the one who said he wanted more FYSKO's, buddy, so something something no good deed goes something.
That was specifically for Heyward. I took the lead in Heyward hating and he's finally hitting again. For that do I get fucked? Nope. It's high school all over again.
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Here's hoping the Cubs put in, and will win, a claim on Juan Nicasio, who the Pirates put on release waivers for some reason.
Damn it. The stupid non-contending Phillies won Nicasio. At least the Cubs won't have to face him in the playoffs.
I would kill for the Cubs to face Juan Nicasio in the playoffs. They absolutely wreck his shit. Last year he had a 7.56 ERA and 1.207 OPS against them, this year it's 9.00 ERA and .889.
FYSKO
meh...Nicasio teetered and, in any event, was so inefficient that he'll be rendered useless tomorrow.
Yeah Bryant nearly tied the game on the first pitch he threw, he put two on in the 9th. Meh. If that's the best he can do against them my point stands.
"After not wrecking his shit, my point about wrecking his shit still stands"
Yeah that lowered his career ERA vs the Cubs to 5.46 and they now only have a collective batting line against him of .296/.382/.544. They absolutely do not wreck his shit.
INTREPID READER SAUL GOODMAN:
I don't always use small sample sizes to make my point, but when I do I make sure to use ONE FUCKING INNING to do so.
Shit his xFIP for that outing was 5.83. He was lucky not to blow it. He put 3 guys on base in an inning and a third.
You're the one who said he wanted more FYSKO's, buddy, so something something no good deed goes something.
That was specifically for Heyward. I took the lead in Heyward hating and he's finally hitting again. For that do I get fucked? Nope. It's high school all over again.
Nobody was fucking you in high school.
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 29, 2017, 09:13:15 PM
Here's hoping the Cubs put in, and will win, a claim on Juan Nicasio, who the Pirates put on release waivers for some reason.
Damn it. The stupid non-contending Phillies won Nicasio. At least the Cubs won't have to face him in the playoffs.
I would kill for the Cubs to face Juan Nicasio in the playoffs. They absolutely wreck his shit. Last year he had a 7.56 ERA and 1.207 OPS against them, this year it's 9.00 ERA and .889.
FYSKO
meh...Nicasio teetered and, in any event, was so inefficient that he'll be rendered useless tomorrow.
Yeah Bryant nearly tied the game on the first pitch he threw, he put two on in the 9th. Meh. If that's the best he can do against them my point stands.
"After not wrecking his shit, my point about wrecking his shit still stands"
Yeah that lowered his career ERA vs the Cubs to 5.46 and they now only have a collective batting line against him of .296/.382/.544. They absolutely do not wreck his shit.
INTREPID READER SAUL GOODMAN:
I don't always use small sample sizes to make my point, but when I do I make sure to use ONE FUCKING INNING to do so.
Shit his xFIP for that outing was 5.83. He was lucky not to blow it. He put 3 guys on base in an inning and a third.
You're the one who said he wanted more FYSKO's, buddy, so something something no good deed goes something.
That was specifically for Heyward. I took the lead in Heyward hating and he's finally hitting again. For that do I get fucked? Nope. It's high school all over again.
Nobody was fucking you in high school.
Jesus Christ, that was the fucking joke. READ IT AGAIN, GRANDPA
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 31, 2017, 02:13:10 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 29, 2017, 09:13:15 PM
Here's hoping the Cubs put in, and will win, a claim on Juan Nicasio, who the Pirates put on release waivers for some reason.
Damn it. The stupid non-contending Phillies won Nicasio. At least the Cubs won't have to face him in the playoffs.
I would kill for the Cubs to face Juan Nicasio in the playoffs. They absolutely wreck his shit. Last year he had a 7.56 ERA and 1.207 OPS against them, this year it's 9.00 ERA and .889.
FYSKO
meh...Nicasio teetered and, in any event, was so inefficient that he'll be rendered useless tomorrow.
Yeah Bryant nearly tied the game on the first pitch he threw, he put two on in the 9th. Meh. If that's the best he can do against them my point stands.
"After not wrecking his shit, my point about wrecking his shit still stands"
Yeah that lowered his career ERA vs the Cubs to 5.46 and they now only have a collective batting line against him of .296/.382/.544. They absolutely do not wreck his shit.
INTREPID READER SAUL GOODMAN:
I don't always use small sample sizes to make my point, but when I do I make sure to use ONE FUCKING INNING to do so.
Shit his xFIP for that outing was 5.83. He was lucky not to blow it. He put 3 guys on base in an inning and a third.
You're the one who said he wanted more FYSKO's, buddy, so something something no good deed goes something.
That was specifically for Heyward. I took the lead in Heyward hating and he's finally hitting again. For that do I get fucked? Nope. It's high school all over again.
Nobody was fucking you in high school.
Jesus Christ, that was the fucking joke. READ IT AGAIN, GRANDPA
I didn't sire both you
AND your dad.
CJ and Wade off to a great start.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 07, 2017, 01:49:44 AM
CJ and Wade off to a great start.
Wade off to a great start.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 07, 2017, 07:38:50 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 07, 2017, 01:49:44 AM
CJ and Wade off to a great start.
Wade off to a great start.
Didn't somebody run stats on CJ on back-to-back days, and the results were suboptimal?
I thought we'd be seeing a second inning out of Strop after his effective inning. Was a little surprised to see CJ working for consecutive days.
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CJ and Wade off to a great start.
Wade off to a great start.
Didn't somebody run stats on CJ on back-to-back days, and the results were suboptimal?
I seem to recal that.
On 0 days rest this year he (only made 12 appearances so, small sample size) he allowed an opposing slash line of: .167/.300/.292 and had a 2.25 ERA.
So, no. Sometimes guys hang curveballs. Sometimes Bryce Harper will crush a hanging curveball. Using a dude who had the 4th best wOBA vs LHB among all relievers wasn't the problem. Dude didn't execute.
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CJ and Wade off to a great start.
Wade off to a great start.
Didn't somebody run stats on CJ on back-to-back days, and the results were suboptimal?
I seem to recal that.
On 0 days rest this year he (only made 12 appearances so, small sample size) he allowed an opposing slash line of: .167/.300/.292 and had a 2.25 ERA.
So, no. Sometimes guys hang curveballs. Sometimes Bryce Harper will crush a hanging curveball. Using a dude who had the 4th best wOBA vs LHB among all relievers wasn't the problem. Dude didn't execute.
The amount of ledge jumping ofer Maddon's bullpen management was spectacular. Edwards gets lots of guys out, Montgomery gets lots of grounders. Shit just didn't work out this time. So fuck it, they can close it out at home.
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CJ and Wade off to a great start.
Wade off to a great start.
Didn't somebody run stats on CJ on back-to-back days, and the results were suboptimal?
I seem to recal that.
On 0 days rest this year he (only made 12 appearances so, small sample size) he allowed an opposing slash line of: .167/.300/.292 and had a 2.25 ERA.
So, no. Sometimes guys hang curveballs. Sometimes Bryce Harper will crush a hanging curveball. Using a dude who had the 4th best wOBA vs LHB among all relievers wasn't the problem. Dude didn't execute.
The amount of ledge jumping ofer Maddon's bullpen management was spectacular. Edwards gets lots of guys out, Montgomery gets lots of grounders. Shit just didn't work out this time. So fuck it, they can close it out at home.
I have basically dedicated an entire thread to second-guessing Joe all year and I still can't see how "using his very good 8th inning reliever in the 8th inning" became a thing to question. Sometimes the right pitcher for the job still fucks up.
The people screaming JUST USE WADE DAVIS FOR 2 INNINGS have lost their goddamn minds, too. Wade looked ragged and gave up a walkoff bomb the last time he went more than 1 inning. That's not a solution either, at least not this early in the playoffs. Guys gotta step up.
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CJ and Wade off to a great start.
Wade off to a great start.
Didn't somebody run stats on CJ on back-to-back days, and the results were suboptimal?
I seem to recal that.
On 0 days rest this year he (only made 12 appearances so, small sample size) he allowed an opposing slash line of: .167/.300/.292 and had a 2.25 ERA.
So, no. Sometimes guys hang curveballs. Sometimes Bryce Harper will crush a hanging curveball. Using a dude who had the 4th best wOBA vs LHB among all relievers wasn't the problem. Dude didn't execute.
The amount of ledge jumping ofer Maddon's bullpen management was spectacular. Edwards gets lots of guys out, Montgomery gets lots of grounders. Shit just didn't work out this time. So fuck it, they can close it out at home.
I have basically dedicated an entire thread to second-guessing Joe all year and I still can't see how "using his very good 8th inning reliever in the 8th inning" became a thing to question. Sometimes the right pitcher for the job still fucks up.
The people screaming JUST USE WADE DAVIS FOR 2 INNINGS have lost their goddamn minds, too. Wade looked ragged and gave up a walkoff bomb the last time he went more than 1 inning. That's not a solution either, at least not this early in the playoffs. Guys gotta step up.
The fact that Joe can't trust Justin Wilson is a real bite in the balls. It would be awesome if Detroit Wilson showed up and could be an 8th inning guy, but Joe's not exploring that until Spring Training.
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CJ and Wade off to a great start.
Wade off to a great start.
Didn't somebody run stats on CJ on back-to-back days, and the results were suboptimal?
I seem to recal that.
On 0 days rest this year he (only made 12 appearances so, small sample size) he allowed an opposing slash line of: .167/.300/.292 and had a 2.25 ERA.
So, no. Sometimes guys hang curveballs. Sometimes Bryce Harper will crush a hanging curveball. Using a dude who had the 4th best wOBA vs LHB among all relievers wasn't the problem. Dude didn't execute.
The amount of ledge jumping ofer Maddon's bullpen management was spectacular. Edwards gets lots of guys out, Montgomery gets lots of grounders. Shit just didn't work out this time. So fuck it, they can close it out at home.
I have basically dedicated an entire thread to second-guessing Joe all year and I still can't see how "using his very good 8th inning reliever in the 8th inning" became a thing to question. Sometimes the right pitcher for the job still fucks up.
The people screaming JUST USE WADE DAVIS FOR 2 INNINGS have lost their goddamn minds, too. Wade looked ragged and gave up a walkoff bomb the last time he went more than 1 inning. That's not a solution either, at least not this early in the playoffs. Guys gotta step up.
The fact that Joe can't trust Justin Wilson is a real bite in the balls. It would be awesome if Detroit Wilson showed up and could be an 8th inning guy, but Joe's not exploring that until Spring Training.
There will be other chances and I think Wilson will get the call. If Joe used Wilson there and Wilson served it up then you're running the risk of losing him forever. I feel like Wilson has 1 chance to not shit the tub and if he succeeds he can maybe hopefully build on it. I know this is weird reasoning but I'm also confident that this won't be the only opportunity to have used Wilson and there may have been a "big picture" benefit for Edwards from that at-bat too.
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CJ and Wade off to a great start.
Wade off to a great start.
Didn't somebody run stats on CJ on back-to-back days, and the results were suboptimal?
I seem to recal that.
On 0 days rest this year he (only made 12 appearances so, small sample size) he allowed an opposing slash line of: .167/.300/.292 and had a 2.25 ERA.
So, no. Sometimes guys hang curveballs. Sometimes Bryce Harper will crush a hanging curveball. Using a dude who had the 4th best wOBA vs LHB among all relievers wasn't the problem. Dude didn't execute.
The amount of ledge jumping ofer Maddon's bullpen management was spectacular. Edwards gets lots of guys out, Montgomery gets lots of grounders. Shit just didn't work out this time. So fuck it, they can close it out at home.
I have basically dedicated an entire thread to second-guessing Joe all year and I still can't see how "using his very good 8th inning reliever in the 8th inning" became a thing to question. Sometimes the right pitcher for the job still fucks up.
The people screaming JUST USE WADE DAVIS FOR 2 INNINGS have lost their goddamn minds, too. Wade looked ragged and gave up a walkoff bomb the last time he went more than 1 inning. That's not a solution either, at least not this early in the playoffs. Guys gotta step up.
The fact that Joe can't trust Justin Wilson is a real bite in the balls. It would be awesome if Detroit Wilson showed up and could be an 8th inning guy, but Joe's not exploring that until Spring Training.
There will be other chances and I think Wilson will get the call. If Joe used Wilson there and Wilson served it up then you're running the risk of losing him forever. I feel like Wilson has 1 chance to not shit the tub and if he succeeds he can maybe hopefully build on it. I know this is weird reasoning but I'm also confident that this won't be the only opportunity to have used Wilson and there may have been a "big picture" benefit for Edwards from that at-bat too.
Yeah if Justin Wilson had been Detroit Wilson I'd have definitely wanted him in over Carl. Carl has good splits vs lefties but I tend to think you should make the decision based on the batter's splits and not the pitchers. I got violently angry at Joe Maddon during G1 of the 2015 NLDS cuz in a big spot he let Coghlan (.116/.208/.140 vs LHP in 2015) face Siegrist in a big spot because of Siegrist's reverse splits and Coghlan sat and watched strike 3 like the dipshit he was. If the Cubs had a dominant LOOGY I'd have wanted him to face Harper instead. Justin Wilson right now isn't a dominant LOOGY, so Joe really made the only call he could make. Montgomery is more likely than Edwards to give up a walk/hit/HR most of the time anyway.
I can't imagine how helpless a fielder must feel standing behind Carl Edwards.
This fucking bullpen, indeed.
That's twice that idiot's completely shit himself this series and fucked the team. IF the Cubs can pull it off tomorrow, good luck Carl on seeing meaningful baseball the rest of this year.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 11, 2017, 06:32:06 PM
That's twice that idiot's completely shit himself this series and fucked the team. IF the Cubs can pull it off tomorrow, good luck Carl on seeing meaningful baseball the rest of this year.
Delete your account
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 11, 2017, 06:32:06 PM
That's twice that idiot's completely shit himself this series and fucked the team. IF the Cubs can pull it off tomorrow, good luck Carl on seeing meaningful baseball the rest of this year.
Carl also came up big twice this series as well. Nats 2, Carl's Jr. 2.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 11, 2017, 06:32:06 PM
That's twice that idiot's completely shit himself this series and fucked the team. IF the Cubs can pull it off tomorrow, good luck Carl on seeing meaningful baseball the rest of this year.
*Makes note in binder.*
Good to see Rondon is back.
Goddamn gutless fucking assholes. Everyone other than Wade, anyway
Quote from: SKO on October 14, 2017, 09:43:44 PM
Goddamn gutless fucking assholes. Everyone other than Wade, anyway
As rocky as the pen has been this game, Quintana's inexcusable two walks have been the culprit. Why Lackey wasn't ready, I don't know. I'll take the unknown to the fucking dumpster fires we've seen do nothing but walk guys and give up bombs.
**Nevermind, why Montgomery got to come back out in the 8th is beyond me. This guy is a fucking dumpster fire right now and should be DL'd out of this series after tonight.**
What are the odds that the front office is scouring potential free agents this moment to overhaul this dumpster fire?
And while Quintana wasn't perfect, this ump's strike zone is pretty shitty.
Pretty sure Lackey is in to throw at Puig.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 14, 2017, 09:47:58 PM
What are the odds that the front office is scouring potential free agents this moment to overhaul this dumpster fire?
Boy, let's throw money at a mercurial position subject to massive swings of variance. Throwing money at all but the very best relievers is as clever as trading for Justin Wilson.
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 14, 2017, 09:47:58 PM
What are the odds that the front office is scouring potential free agents this moment to overhaul this dumpster fire?
Boy, let's throw money at a mercurial position subject to massive swings of variance. Throwing money at all but the very best relievers is as clever as trading for Justin Wilson.
Justin Wilson will probably be awesome next year. And we could always give three year contracts to Bobby Howry and Scott Eyre again that was cool.
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 14, 2017, 09:47:58 PM
What are the odds that the front office is scouring potential free agents this moment to overhaul this dumpster fire?
Boy, let's throw money at a mercurial position subject to massive swings of variance. Throwing money at all but the very best relievers is as clever as trading for Justin Wilson.
Justin Wilson will probably be awesome next year.
He'd better be. Hell, they're allowed one letdown game after that insane Game 5. Today, shitty bullpen is shitty. Be better tomorrow.
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What are the odds that the front office is scouring potential free agents this moment to overhaul this dumpster fire?
Yeah hopefully giving Davis/Strop/Carl's Jr...and uh.../Duensing a day off will help.
Boy, let's throw money at a mercurial position subject to massive swings of variance. Throwing money at all but the very best relievers is as clever as trading for Justin Wilson.
Justin Wilson will probably be awesome next year.
He'd better be. Hell, they're allowed one letdown game after that insane Game 5. Today, shitty bullpen is shitty. Be better tomorrow.
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 14, 2017, 09:47:58 PM
What are the odds that the front office is scouring potential free agents this moment to overhaul this dumpster fire?
Yeah hopefully giving Davis/Strop/Carl's Jr...and uh.../Duensing a day off will help.
Boy, let's throw money at a mercurial position subject to massive swings of variance. Throwing money at all but the very best relievers is as clever as trading for Justin Wilson.
Justin Wilson will probably be awesome next year.
He'd better be. Hell, they're allowed one letdown game after that insane Game 5. Today, shitty bullpen is shitty. Be better tomorrow.
You really PANKed that one. Nice.
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 14, 2017, 09:47:58 PM
What are the odds that the front office is scouring potential free agents this moment to overhaul this dumpster fire?
Yeah hopefully giving Davis/Strop/Carl's Jr...and uh.../Duensing a day off will help.
Boy, let's throw money at a mercurial position subject to massive swings of variance. Throwing money at all but the very best relievers is as clever as trading for Justin Wilson.
Justin Wilson will probably be awesome next year.
He'd better be. Hell, they're allowed one letdown game after that insane Game 5. Today, shitty bullpen is shitty. Be better tomorrow.
You really PANKed that one. Nice.
"Sent from my iPhone."
Is it possible that running a program in which you keep all your starters -- even if healthy -- below 200 innings a year results in overusing your relievers to the point where they can't be relied upon by the end of the year? I don't think they're bad, I just think they're out of gas.
Nice pitching, John.
I really hope that's the last time we see Lackey pitch for the Cubs.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 15, 2017, 10:01:14 PM
I really hope that's the last time we see Lackey pitch for the Cubs.
Would've been a moot point if the offense had managed to do something.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 15, 2017, 10:01:14 PM
I really hope that's the last time we see Lackey pitch for the Cubs.
I'm not arguing the point of Lackey's meatball, just that with the exception of G5 of the NLDS, this group offensively has been a bunch of gutless, fucking pussies.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 15, 2017, 10:01:14 PM
I really hope that's the last time we see Lackey pitch for the Cubs.
It would certainly be a fitting ending.
What I'm struggling with - starters and pen - is how many non-competitive pitches they throw out of the zone. It seems like everyone we've faced rarely works 2 or 3 ball counts and is just pounding the zone. And for our pitchers, this has been a trend all season...rarely do starters work into the 7th or 8th because their pitch count is driven up by a high volume of balls thrown.
I'm not sure if this is us now being behind philosophically, pitchers being tired, or what, but this postseason is suggesting that there's a lot to be said for just throwing strikes early in the count.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 17, 2017, 11:43:19 PM
What I'm struggling with - starters and pen - is how many non-competitive pitches they throw out of the zone. It seems like everyone we've faced rarely works 2 or 3 ball counts and is just pounding the zone. And for our pitchers, this has been a trend all season...rarely do starters work into the 7th or 8th because their pitch count is driven up by a high volume of balls thrown.
I'm not sure if this is us now being behind philosophically, pitchers being tired, or what, but this postseason is suggesting that there's a lot to be said for just throwing strikes early in the count.
This is the biggest revelation since the discovery that outscoring your opponent results in victories.
bump. Jepstink did some good shopping this winter.
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bump. Jepstink did some good shopping this winter.
Every time I try to figure out something Epstink has done right since 2016, I end up scratching my head.
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bump. Jepstink did some good shopping this winter.
Every time I try to figure out something Epstink has done right since 2016, I end up scratching my head.
Instead of a guy like Cishek who only gets guys out he could have gotten someone who throws normally.
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bump. Jepstink did some good shopping this winter.
Every time I try to figure out something Epstink has done right since 2016, I end up scratching my head.
Instead of a guy like Cishek who only gets guys out he could have gotten someone who throws normally.
Cishek is great. I love those sidearmed weirdoes.
There's the Eddie Butler we all know and love.
Did I say love? Sorry, I meant the opposite.
The HBP stunk but that was a hell of a job by Cishek to avoid the total meltdown there.
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The HBP stunk but that was a hell of a job by Cishek to avoid the total meltdown there.
The Cubs' or yours?
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Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2018, 03:54:18 PM
The HBP stunk but that was a hell of a job by Cishek to avoid the total meltdown there.
The Cubs' or yours?
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Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2018, 03:54:18 PM
The HBP stunk but that was a hell of a job by Cishek to avoid the total meltdown there.
The Cubs' or yours?
this was good. I laughed. .
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Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2018, 03:54:18 PM
The HBP stunk but that was a hell of a job by Cishek to avoid the total meltdown there.
The Cubs' or yours?
this was good. I laughed. .
In all seriousness Sea Shack has looked pretty damn good in the early going.
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Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2018, 03:54:18 PM
The HBP stunk but that was a hell of a job by Cishek to avoid the total meltdown there.
The Cubs' or yours?
this was good. I laughed. .
In all seriousness Sea Shack has looked pretty damn good in the early going.
He's been good everywhere he's ever gone, I honestly don't know how the Cubs got him so cheap
DPD but Morrow has some serious shit. It's a shame he's had such trouble with injuries in his career because he's very clearly got the stuff to be an elite closer.
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The HBP stunk but that was a hell of a job by Cishek to avoid the total meltdown there.
The Cubs' or yours?
this was good. I laughed. .
In all seriousness Sea Shack has looked pretty damn good in the early going.
He's been good everywhere he's ever gone, I honestly don't know how the Cubs got him so cheap
He throws weird, which frightens and confuses GMs. Or something.
"Let's pick this kid up off waivers from the Reds..."
Said no competent front office ever.
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DPD but Morrow has some serious shit. It's a shame he's had such trouble with injuries in his career because he's very clearly got the stuff to be an elite closer.
For some reason I originally read this as "elite loser".
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"Let's pick this kid up off waivers from the Reds..."
Said no competent front office ever.
no good player was ever on waivers. science
So you wanna know why they call it a "bullpen"? Back in the day, it was the fashion for those folks to keep barnyard animals at the ball park, so many of the boys was straight off the farm and still had chores amongst which was the caring for the bovine critters and you know that they had to keep the boy cows separate from the girl cows being as the boy cows had things on their minds other than givin milk which they were not so good at. So anyway they put rings in the noses of the boy cows because that was the style of the day an' if you didn't want to walk around behind the boy cow which made good sense then you could tell which were which by just lookin it in the face and anyhow if you had a pen then you could keep the boy cow from adding to the mound cause the mound weren't supposed to be much higher than it was it them days.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 07, 2018, 12:58:10 AM
"Let's pick this kid up off waivers from the Reds..."
Said no competent front office ever.
no good player was ever on waivers. science
I'm wondering which bullpen out there has some kind of great player in the 8th spot in the pen. He'd already used Cishek, Wilson, Morrow, Edwards, and Montgomery, and he'd used Strop for 2 innings (which is already rare to begin with) the day before. They were down to the last man standing, and that guy is already an injury fill in for Eddie Butler, who was doing pretty well before he got hurt.
I'm pretty fucking pissed obviously but this is the dumbest possible complaint. The bullpen is not and has not been a problem this year.
The problem with wanting to rant and blame a single person for this team is that it's bullshit. Theo Epstein assembled as good of a roster as anyone in baseball. Maddon has mostly managed this team fine, he's used his bullpen fine. There's a bunch of talented players playing like shit, and then there's Jason Heyward. Just like last year the only solution is hope they get their heads out of their asses before it's too late. My concern here is I think that Cardinals team looks like an 88-91 win squad and not last year's 83 win version or whatever, so the Cubs are gonna need to start playing up to their capabilities quickly or the division's not going to be waiting for them.
oh and before I get accused of chicken little bullshit over the Cardinals that's not my panicky notion, both fangraphs and baseball prospectus have the cardinals favored to win the division now. The cubs dicked away their cushion.
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"Let's pick this kid up off waivers from the Reds..."
Said no competent front office ever.
I'm not sure the Reds' talent evaluation is the hill you want to die on here, Hoss.
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oh and before I get accused of chicken little bullshit over the Cardinals that's not my panicky notion, both fangraphs and baseball prospectus have the cardinals favored to win the division now. The cubs dicked away their cushion.
Just in case anyone is wondering, none of these things is true.
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Quote from: SKO on May 07, 2018, 01:41:54 PM
oh and before I get accused of chicken little bullshit over the Cardinals that's not my panicky notion, both fangraphs and baseball prospectus have the cardinals favored to win the division now. The cubs dicked away their cushion.
Just in case anyone is wondering, none of these things is true.
Ha did it change after last night? As of yesterday morning the Cardinals were favored on both.
Ah I guess it was just BP that was that down on them yesterday: http://www.bleachernation.com/2018/05/07/the-cubs-playoff-odds-after-an-ugly-series-sweep-have-turned-sour-as-in-not-the-clear-favorites/
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oh and before I get accused of chicken little bullshit over the Cardinals that's not my panicky notion, both fangraphs and baseball prospectus have the cardinals favored to win the division now. The cubs dicked away their cushion.
Just in case anyone is wondering, none of these things is true.
Ha did it change after last night? As of yesterday morning the Cardinals were favored on both.
Ah I guess it was just BP that was that down on them yesterday: http://www.bleachernation.com/2018/05/07/the-cubs-playoff-odds-after-an-ugly-series-sweep-have-turned-sour-as-in-not-the-clear-favorites/
So I guess there's no point in playing the remaining 130 games then.
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oh and before I get accused of chicken little bullshit over the Cardinals that's not my panicky notion, both fangraphs and baseball prospectus have the cardinals favored to win the division now. The cubs dicked away their cushion.
Just in case anyone is wondering, none of these things is true.
Ha did it change after last night? As of yesterday morning the Cardinals were favored on both.
Ah I guess it was just BP that was that down on them yesterday: http://www.bleachernation.com/2018/05/07/the-cubs-playoff-odds-after-an-ugly-series-sweep-have-turned-sour-as-in-not-the-clear-favorites/
So I guess there's no point in playing the remaining 130 games then.
Never said there wasn't, just that the cubs should try playing well in those remaining 130 games, as opposed to puttering around .500 and assuming the division will come back to them like it did last year. I don't think these Cardinals are a great team by any stretch, probably a 90 win team at best, but they have a higher floor than these Cubs because that organization's insistence on depth over talent at most spot means they're fairly consistent. The Cubs have a much, much higher ceiling but we've also been staring at their floor most of the year so far.
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oh and before I get accused of chicken little bullshit over the Cardinals that's not my panicky notion, both fangraphs and baseball prospectus have the cardinals favored to win the division now. The cubs dicked away their cushion.
Just in case anyone is wondering, none of these things is true.
Ha did it change after last night? As of yesterday morning the Cardinals were favored on both.
Ah I guess it was just BP that was that down on them yesterday: http://www.bleachernation.com/2018/05/07/the-cubs-playoff-odds-after-an-ugly-series-sweep-have-turned-sour-as-in-not-the-clear-favorites/
So I guess there's no point in playing the remaining 130 games then.
Never said there wasn't, just that the cubs should try playing well in those remaining 130 games, as opposed to puttering around .500 and assuming the division will come back to them like it did last year. I don't think these Cardinals are a great team by any stretch, probably a 90 win team at best, but they have a higher floor than these Cubs because that organization's insistence on depth over talent at most spot means they're fairly consistent. The Cubs have a much, much higher ceiling but we've also been staring at their floor most of the year so far.
Good advice. Why doesn't anybody else recognize that the Cubs aren't trying to play well? Christ why won't somebody listen to this blithering genius savant voice from the cornfields? All along, conventional wisdom has suggested teams are better off "puttering around .500" and that's clearly the Cubs' blueprint, but you make such a cogent argument about trying to play well. Here's hoping they start to fucking listen to such common sense as dispensed here.
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oh and before I get accused of chicken little bullshit over the Cardinals that's not my panicky notion, both fangraphs and baseball prospectus have the cardinals favored to win the division now. The cubs dicked away their cushion.
Just in case anyone is wondering, none of these things is true.
Ha did it change after last night? As of yesterday morning the Cardinals were favored on both.
Ah I guess it was just BP that was that down on them yesterday: http://www.bleachernation.com/2018/05/07/the-cubs-playoff-odds-after-an-ugly-series-sweep-have-turned-sour-as-in-not-the-clear-favorites/
So I guess there's no point in playing the remaining 130 games then.
Never said there wasn't, just that the cubs should try playing well in those remaining 130 games, as opposed to puttering around .500 and assuming the division will come back to them like it did last year. I don't think these Cardinals are a great team by any stretch, probably a 90 win team at best, but they have a higher floor than these Cubs because that organization's insistence on depth over talent at most spot means they're fairly consistent. The Cubs have a much, much higher ceiling but we've also been staring at their floor most of the year so far.
So to be clear...the Cardinals are currently firing on all cylinders, and the Cubs still can't get the engine to turn over.
While this has been happening, the Cardinals lead the Cubs by an insurmountable 2.5 games.
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oh and before I get accused of chicken little bullshit over the Cardinals that's not my panicky notion, both fangraphs and baseball prospectus have the cardinals favored to win the division now. The cubs dicked away their cushion.
Just in case anyone is wondering, none of these things is true.
Ha did it change after last night? As of yesterday morning the Cardinals were favored on both.
Ah I guess it was just BP that was that down on them yesterday: http://www.bleachernation.com/2018/05/07/the-cubs-playoff-odds-after-an-ugly-series-sweep-have-turned-sour-as-in-not-the-clear-favorites/
So I guess there's no point in playing the remaining 130 games then.
Never said there wasn't, just that the cubs should try playing well in those remaining 130 games, as opposed to puttering around .500 and assuming the division will come back to them like it did last year. I don't think these Cardinals are a great team by any stretch, probably a 90 win team at best, but they have a higher floor than these Cubs because that organization's insistence on depth over talent at most spot means they're fairly consistent. The Cubs have a much, much higher ceiling but we've also been staring at their floor most of the year so far.
So to be clear...the Cardinals are currently firing on all cylinders, and the Cubs still can't get the engine to turn over.
While this has been happening, the Cardinals lead the Cubs by an insurmountable 2.5 games.
Didn't say the Cardinals are firing on all cylinders. I think Cubs fans are consistently underrating them as a threat based on the last two years, but I think this is the best group they've run out there in a few years. If they straighten out their bullpen there's not too many holes on that roster, and the projections mostly agree. BP has both the Cubs and Cardinals at 87 wins, FG has the Cubs projected for 90 and STL for 88. The math doesn't have them that far apart.
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oh and before I get accused of chicken little bullshit over the Cardinals that's not my panicky notion, both fangraphs and baseball prospectus have the cardinals favored to win the division now. The cubs dicked away their cushion.
Just in case anyone is wondering, none of these things is true.
Ha did it change after last night? As of yesterday morning the Cardinals were favored on both.
Ah I guess it was just BP that was that down on them yesterday: http://www.bleachernation.com/2018/05/07/the-cubs-playoff-odds-after-an-ugly-series-sweep-have-turned-sour-as-in-not-the-clear-favorites/
So I guess there's no point in playing the remaining 130 games then.
Never said there wasn't, just that the cubs should try playing well in those remaining 130 games, as opposed to puttering around .500 and assuming the division will come back to them like it did last year. I don't think these Cardinals are a great team by any stretch, probably a 90 win team at best, but they have a higher floor than these Cubs because that organization's insistence on depth over talent at most spot means they're fairly consistent. The Cubs have a much, much higher ceiling but we've also been staring at their floor most of the year so far.
Good advice. Why doesn't anybody else recognize that the Cubs aren't trying to play well? Christ why won't somebody listen to this blithering genius savant voice from the cornfields? All along, conventional wisdom has suggested teams are better off "puttering around .500" and that's clearly the Cubs' blueprint, but you make such a cogent argument about trying to play well. Here's hoping they start to fucking listen to such common sense as dispensed here.
Hey if the advice is "just shut the fuck up and watch the games" and never complain about anything can I strongly suggest it apply to everyone?
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oh and before I get accused of chicken little bullshit over the Cardinals that's not my panicky notion, both fangraphs and baseball prospectus have the cardinals favored to win the division now. The cubs dicked away their cushion.
Just in case anyone is wondering, none of these things is true.
Ha did it change after last night? As of yesterday morning the Cardinals were favored on both.
Ah I guess it was just BP that was that down on them yesterday: http://www.bleachernation.com/2018/05/07/the-cubs-playoff-odds-after-an-ugly-series-sweep-have-turned-sour-as-in-not-the-clear-favorites/
So I guess there's no point in playing the remaining 130 games then.
Never said there wasn't, just that the cubs should try playing well in those remaining 130 games, as opposed to puttering around .500 and assuming the division will come back to them like it did last year. I don't think these Cardinals are a great team by any stretch, probably a 90 win team at best, but they have a higher floor than these Cubs because that organization's insistence on depth over talent at most spot means they're fairly consistent. The Cubs have a much, much higher ceiling but we've also been staring at their floor most of the year so far.
So to be clear...the Cardinals are currently firing on all cylinders, and the Cubs still can't get the engine to turn over.
While this has been happening, the Cardinals lead the Cubs by an insurmountable 2.5 games.
The point you're missing is that the Cubs have pissed away their cushion which would have allowed them to win the division easily which, though rather uncommon is, nevertheless the expectation of a suddenly-entitled fanbase that seems put off by having to endure the highs and lows of a....baseball season (and no coping mechanism to deal with the vicissitudes of a 6 months season where games are played every day). Fucking selfish cunts these people are, not even considering the inconvenience they're foisting on their fans. And fuck YOU for being cool with it, sheeple.
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Quote from: SKO on May 07, 2018, 01:41:54 PM
oh and before I get accused of chicken little bullshit over the Cardinals that's not my panicky notion, both fangraphs and baseball prospectus have the cardinals favored to win the division now. The cubs dicked away their cushion.
Just in case anyone is wondering, none of these things is true.
Ha did it change after last night? As of yesterday morning the Cardinals were favored on both.
Ah I guess it was just BP that was that down on them yesterday: http://www.bleachernation.com/2018/05/07/the-cubs-playoff-odds-after-an-ugly-series-sweep-have-turned-sour-as-in-not-the-clear-favorites/
So I guess there's no point in playing the remaining 130 games then.
Never said there wasn't, just that the cubs should try playing well in those remaining 130 games, as opposed to puttering around .500 and assuming the division will come back to them like it did last year. I don't think these Cardinals are a great team by any stretch, probably a 90 win team at best, but they have a higher floor than these Cubs because that organization's insistence on depth over talent at most spot means they're fairly consistent. The Cubs have a much, much higher ceiling but we've also been staring at their floor most of the year so far.
So to be clear...the Cardinals are currently firing on all cylinders, and the Cubs still can't get the engine to turn over.
While this has been happening, the Cardinals lead the Cubs by an insurmountable 2.5 games.
Didn't say the Cardinals are firing on all cylinders. I think Cubs fans are consistently underrating them as a threat based on the last two years, but I think this is the best group they've run out there in a few years. If they straighten out their bullpen there's not too many holes on that roster.
As long as they've got
Benjamin Grimm Jose Martinez over at 1B, their defense is going to be suspect.
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oh and before I get accused of chicken little bullshit over the Cardinals that's not my panicky notion, both fangraphs and baseball prospectus have the cardinals favored to win the division now. The cubs dicked away their cushion.
Just in case anyone is wondering, none of these things is true.
Ha did it change after last night? As of yesterday morning the Cardinals were favored on both.
Ah I guess it was just BP that was that down on them yesterday: http://www.bleachernation.com/2018/05/07/the-cubs-playoff-odds-after-an-ugly-series-sweep-have-turned-sour-as-in-not-the-clear-favorites/
So I guess there's no point in playing the remaining 130 games then.
Never said there wasn't, just that the cubs should try playing well in those remaining 130 games, as opposed to puttering around .500 and assuming the division will come back to them like it did last year. I don't think these Cardinals are a great team by any stretch, probably a 90 win team at best, but they have a higher floor than these Cubs because that organization's insistence on depth over talent at most spot means they're fairly consistent. The Cubs have a much, much higher ceiling but we've also been staring at their floor most of the year so far.
So to be clear...the Cardinals are currently firing on all cylinders, and the Cubs still can't get the engine to turn over.
While this has been happening, the Cardinals lead the Cubs by an insurmountable 2.5 games.
The point you're missing is that the Cubs have pissed away their cushion which would have allowed them to win the division easily which, though rather uncommon is, nevertheless the expectation of a suddenly-entitled fanbase that seems put off by having to endure the highs and lows of a....baseball season (and no coping mechanism to deal with the vicissitudes of a 6 months season where games are played every day). Fucking selfish cunts these people are, not even considering the inconvenience they're foisting on their fans. And fuck YOU for being cool with it, sheeple.
I mean if you think given the core of talent they have to work with and their resources that the Cubs shouldn't be the clear and overwhelming favorite in this division I would say that you do have too low of expectations for them, yes. The Cubs are a 95+ win true talent team puttering along at an 87 win pace, the Cardinals are an 88-90 win team playing like one.
Plus, I believe it was you yelling at me when I wanted the Cubs to answer the Brewers moves for Yelich and Cain by signing Darvish about how the Cubs would be making moves with the aim of winning titles, not winning the division, as the division isn't an issue and their sights should be set higher. So I'm gonna say if our goal here is winning titles then playing well enough that they clinch this division easily should be part of that process.
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oh and before I get accused of chicken little bullshit over the Cardinals that's not my panicky notion, both fangraphs and baseball prospectus have the cardinals favored to win the division now. The cubs dicked away their cushion.
Just in case anyone is wondering, none of these things is true.
Ha did it change after last night? As of yesterday morning the Cardinals were favored on both.
Ah I guess it was just BP that was that down on them yesterday: http://www.bleachernation.com/2018/05/07/the-cubs-playoff-odds-after-an-ugly-series-sweep-have-turned-sour-as-in-not-the-clear-favorites/
So I guess there's no point in playing the remaining 130 games then.
Never said there wasn't, just that the cubs should try playing well in those remaining 130 games, as opposed to puttering around .500 and assuming the division will come back to them like it did last year. I don't think these Cardinals are a great team by any stretch, probably a 90 win team at best, but they have a higher floor than these Cubs because that organization's insistence on depth over talent at most spot means they're fairly consistent. The Cubs have a much, much higher ceiling but we've also been staring at their floor most of the year so far.
Good advice. Why doesn't anybody else recognize that the Cubs aren't trying to play well? Christ why won't somebody listen to this blithering genius savant voice from the cornfields? All along, conventional wisdom has suggested teams are better off "puttering around .500" and that's clearly the Cubs' blueprint, but you make such a cogent argument about trying to play well. Here's hoping they start to fucking listen to such common sense as dispensed here.
Hey if the advice is "just shut the fuck up and watch the games" and never complain about anything can I strongly suggest it apply to everyone?
here let me help you:
Suggested things to complain/worry about:
Heyward's disappointing D. (and of course his continued wet noodle of a bat)
Javy's disappointing D
Russell's troubling offense (recent stretch notwithstanding)
Happ's struggles
Rizzo's bat
Yu's slow start
Things not to complain about:
Being behind 2 1/2 games to any team--let alone the Slapdick Cardinals--on May Fucking 7th. Especially since it seems you're just voicing your having been inconvenienced by them not neatly wrapping up the division by the All-Star Break.
Seriously, you can rant all you want but this panicky "ZOMG the STANDINGS" in May is some embarrassing Chip Caray level of alarmism. Have some fucking dignity, will ya?
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oh and before I get accused of chicken little bullshit over the Cardinals that's not my panicky notion, both fangraphs and baseball prospectus have the cardinals favored to win the division now. The cubs dicked away their cushion.
Just in case anyone is wondering, none of these things is true.
Ha did it change after last night? As of yesterday morning the Cardinals were favored on both.
Ah I guess it was just BP that was that down on them yesterday: http://www.bleachernation.com/2018/05/07/the-cubs-playoff-odds-after-an-ugly-series-sweep-have-turned-sour-as-in-not-the-clear-favorites/
So I guess there's no point in playing the remaining 130 games then.
Never said there wasn't, just that the cubs should try playing well in those remaining 130 games, as opposed to puttering around .500 and assuming the division will come back to them like it did last year. I don't think these Cardinals are a great team by any stretch, probably a 90 win team at best, but they have a higher floor than these Cubs because that organization's insistence on depth over talent at most spot means they're fairly consistent. The Cubs have a much, much higher ceiling but we've also been staring at their floor most of the year so far.
Good advice. Why doesn't anybody else recognize that the Cubs aren't trying to play well? Christ why won't somebody listen to this blithering genius savant voice from the cornfields? All along, conventional wisdom has suggested teams are better off "puttering around .500" and that's clearly the Cubs' blueprint, but you make such a cogent argument about trying to play well. Here's hoping they start to fucking listen to such common sense as dispensed here.
Hey if the advice is "just shut the fuck up and watch the games" and never complain about anything can I strongly suggest it apply to everyone?
here let me help you:
Suggested things to complain/worry about:
Heyward's disappointing D. (and of course his continued wet noodle of a bat)
Javy's disappointing D
Russell's troubling offense (recent stretch notwithstanding)
Happ's struggles
Rizzo's bat
Yu's slow start
Things not to complain about:
Being behind 2 1/2 games to any team--let alone the Slapdick Cardinals--on May Fucking 7th. Especially since it seems you're just voicing your having been inconvenienced by them not neatly wrapping up the division by the All-Star Break.
Seriously, you can rant all you want but this panicky "ZOMG the STANDINGS" in May is some embarrassing Chip Caray level of alarmism. Have some fucking dignity, will ya?
What kind of weird ass logic is this? All of those things you say I can worry about ARE WHAT ARE CAUSING THE ISSUES WITH THE STANDINGS. My point is that if THOSE THINGS CONTINUE they can't just expect that the division will fall back to them whenever they get them figured out. Saying I can't worry about one but I should worry about the other when one is the cause of the other is...kind of ass backwards.
I'm not worried about the standings in May, I am worried that the team is under-achieving yet again, and while I'm with everyone on the whole "they'll figure it out eventually" train, my point is they probably have less time to dick around than they did last year, when the dicking around lasted till July. I would suggest they stop dicking around before June this year.
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oh and before I get accused of chicken little bullshit over the Cardinals that's not my panicky notion, both fangraphs and baseball prospectus have the cardinals favored to win the division now. The cubs dicked away their cushion.
Just in case anyone is wondering, none of these things is true.
Ha did it change after last night? As of yesterday morning the Cardinals were favored on both.
Ah I guess it was just BP that was that down on them yesterday: http://www.bleachernation.com/2018/05/07/the-cubs-playoff-odds-after-an-ugly-series-sweep-have-turned-sour-as-in-not-the-clear-favorites/
So I guess there's no point in playing the remaining 130 games then.
Never said there wasn't, just that the cubs should try playing well in those remaining 130 games, as opposed to puttering around .500 and assuming the division will come back to them like it did last year. I don't think these Cardinals are a great team by any stretch, probably a 90 win team at best, but they have a higher floor than these Cubs because that organization's insistence on depth over talent at most spot means they're fairly consistent. The Cubs have a much, much higher ceiling but we've also been staring at their floor most of the year so far.
So to be clear...the Cardinals are currently firing on all cylinders, and the Cubs still can't get the engine to turn over.
While this has been happening, the Cardinals lead the Cubs by an insurmountable 2.5 games.
The point you're missing is that the Cubs have pissed away their cushion which would have allowed them to win the division easily which, though rather uncommon is, nevertheless the expectation of a suddenly-entitled fanbase that seems put off by having to endure the highs and lows of a....baseball season (and no coping mechanism to deal with the vicissitudes of a 6 months season where games are played every day). Fucking selfish cunts these people are, not even considering the inconvenience they're foisting on their fans. And fuck YOU for being cool with it, sheeple.
I mean if you think given the core of talent they have to work with and their resources that the Cubs shouldn't be the clear and overwhelming favorite in this division I would say that you do have too low of expectations for them, yes. The Cubs are a 95+ win true talent team puttering along at an 87 win pace, the Cardinals are an 88-90 win team playing like one.
You're using 5 weeks of play to project 6 months. I really can't help your inability to take in an entire season. I can't. I'm not even suggesting you enjoy it all--though I've personally enjoyed pretty much every moment since Kris Bryant won the walkoff game against Colorado in July 2015 since, you know, I waited over 40 years to watch an exceptional baseball team (which is what they are in spite of your sad dissatisfaction). Warts and all. Fan all you want but just know you're losing your shit after 5 weeks of play over a team that has come within 1 step of the World Series 3 times over the course of the last 150+ weeks. WHAT. THE. FUCK. DID. YOU. EXPECT. YOU. ENTITLED. ASSHOLE.
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oh and before I get accused of chicken little bullshit over the Cardinals that's not my panicky notion, both fangraphs and baseball prospectus have the cardinals favored to win the division now. The cubs dicked away their cushion.
Just in case anyone is wondering, none of these things is true.
Ha did it change after last night? As of yesterday morning the Cardinals were favored on both.
Ah I guess it was just BP that was that down on them yesterday: http://www.bleachernation.com/2018/05/07/the-cubs-playoff-odds-after-an-ugly-series-sweep-have-turned-sour-as-in-not-the-clear-favorites/
So I guess there's no point in playing the remaining 130 games then.
Never said there wasn't, just that the cubs should try playing well in those remaining 130 games, as opposed to puttering around .500 and assuming the division will come back to them like it did last year. I don't think these Cardinals are a great team by any stretch, probably a 90 win team at best, but they have a higher floor than these Cubs because that organization's insistence on depth over talent at most spot means they're fairly consistent. The Cubs have a much, much higher ceiling but we've also been staring at their floor most of the year so far.
Good advice. Why doesn't anybody else recognize that the Cubs aren't trying to play well? Christ why won't somebody listen to this blithering genius savant voice from the cornfields? All along, conventional wisdom has suggested teams are better off "puttering around .500" and that's clearly the Cubs' blueprint, but you make such a cogent argument about trying to play well. Here's hoping they start to fucking listen to such common sense as dispensed here.
Hey if the advice is "just shut the fuck up and watch the games" and never complain about anything can I strongly suggest it apply to everyone?
here let me help you:
Suggested things to complain/worry about:
Heyward's disappointing D. (and of course his continued wet noodle of a bat)
Javy's disappointing D
Russell's troubling offense (recent stretch notwithstanding)
Happ's struggles
Rizzo's bat
Yu's slow start
Things not to complain about:
Being behind 2 1/2 games to any team--let alone the Slapdick Cardinals--on May Fucking 7th. Especially since it seems you're just voicing your having been inconvenienced by them not neatly wrapping up the division by the All-Star Break.
Seriously, you can rant all you want but this panicky "ZOMG the STANDINGS" in May is some embarrassing Chip Caray level of alarmism. Have some fucking dignity, will ya?
What kind of weird ass logic is this? All of those things you say I can worry about ARE WHAT ARE CAUSING THE ISSUES WITH THE STANDINGS. My point is that if THOSE THINGS CONTINUE they can't just expect that the division will fall back to them whenever they get them figured out. Saying I can't worry about one but I should worry about the other when one is the cause of the other is...kind of ass backwards.
I'm not worried about the standings in May, I am worried that the team is under-achieving yet again, and while I'm with everyone on the whole "they'll figure it out eventually" train, my point is they probably have less time to dick around than they did last year, when the dicking around lasted till July. I would suggest they stop dicking around before June this year.
Ye of little faith. It's almost as if you just started watching these assholes.
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oh and before I get accused of chicken little bullshit over the Cardinals that's not my panicky notion, both fangraphs and baseball prospectus have the cardinals favored to win the division now. The cubs dicked away their cushion.
Just in case anyone is wondering, none of these things is true.
Ha did it change after last night? As of yesterday morning the Cardinals were favored on both.
Ah I guess it was just BP that was that down on them yesterday: http://www.bleachernation.com/2018/05/07/the-cubs-playoff-odds-after-an-ugly-series-sweep-have-turned-sour-as-in-not-the-clear-favorites/
So I guess there's no point in playing the remaining 130 games then.
Never said there wasn't, just that the cubs should try playing well in those remaining 130 games, as opposed to puttering around .500 and assuming the division will come back to them like it did last year. I don't think these Cardinals are a great team by any stretch, probably a 90 win team at best, but they have a higher floor than these Cubs because that organization's insistence on depth over talent at most spot means they're fairly consistent. The Cubs have a much, much higher ceiling but we've also been staring at their floor most of the year so far.
So to be clear...the Cardinals are currently firing on all cylinders, and the Cubs still can't get the engine to turn over.
While this has been happening, the Cardinals lead the Cubs by an insurmountable 2.5 games.
The point you're missing is that the Cubs have pissed away their cushion which would have allowed them to win the division easily which, though rather uncommon is, nevertheless the expectation of a suddenly-entitled fanbase that seems put off by having to endure the highs and lows of a....baseball season (and no coping mechanism to deal with the vicissitudes of a 6 months season where games are played every day). Fucking selfish cunts these people are, not even considering the inconvenience they're foisting on their fans. And fuck YOU for being cool with it, sheeple.
I mean if you think given the core of talent they have to work with and their resources that the Cubs shouldn't be the clear and overwhelming favorite in this division I would say that you do have too low of expectations for them, yes. The Cubs are a 95+ win true talent team puttering along at an 87 win pace, the Cardinals are an 88-90 win team playing like one.
You're using 5 weeks of play to project 6 months. I really can't help your inability to take in an entire season. I can't. I'm not even suggesting you enjoy it all--though I've personally enjoyed pretty much every moment since Kris Bryant won the walkoff game against Colorado in July 2015 since, you know, I waited over 40 years to watch an exceptional baseball team (which is what they are in spite of your sad dissatisfaction). Warts and all. Fan all you want but just know you're losing your shit after 5 weeks of play over a team that has come within 1 step of the World Series 3 times over the course of the last 150+ weeks. WHAT. THE. FUCK. DID. YOU. EXPECT. YOU. ENTITLED. ASSHOLE.
I mean *I'm* not using 5 weeks to project 6 months. Those projections are data driven, and based on the fact that x number of teams that have played like this for this length of time tend to do x. The Cubs will probably play better! They also might fuck up enough in the early going that they really hurt their overall record by the time they do play up to their ability. The 2016 Astros got off to a slow start, then played like a 90+ win team for 5/6 months. But that first month sank them and cost them a playoff spot anyway. These things do matter. What I expect is that I was told to shut up and enjoy 7 years of title contention. In order to contend for the title they should try winning the division. In order to try winning the division they should play better than their divisional opponents. In order to play better than their divisional opponents they should try winning more than like, 50% of their games.
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Heyward's disappointing D. (and of course his continued wet noodle of a bat)
Javy's disappointing D
Russell's troubling offense (recent stretch notwithstanding)
Happ's struggles
Rizzo's bat
Yu's slow start
But hey since you asked I am worried about # 1, 3, 4, and 6. Javy's defense is fine. He made some bad throws in the cold and sometimes he tries to do too much. It'll even out with how often he does shit no one else can do. Rizzo will be fine. He had a stretch between late april/mid may last year where he looked every bit this bad. He's coming around.
Heyward is just a sunk cost and needs to be treated as such, but that's definitely not going to happen if Happ doesn't figure his shit out (and I will hold off on taking a 2 HR game against an AAA team as proof that he has, though he's definitely been better of late) and force him to the bench. I'm beginning to think Russell is just never going to be that guy. He's been bad more often than not offensively, and his power has just flat out vanished. I have no idea what Darvish' deal is but I'd say his track record matters more than his struggles, but who knows if this DL stint might slow him down even further.
I do find it funny that the guys who most often respond to the worriers with "bah, this team is gonna win multiple titles during this run, calm the fuck down" seem the most angry at people who appear to have set their expectations at...winning multiple titles. Although to be fair to Huey that boast usually comes more from Fork.
Quote from: SKO on May 08, 2018, 11:56:35 AM
I do find it funny that the guys who most often respond to the worriers with "bah, this team is gonna win multiple titles during this run, calm the fuck down" seem the most angry at people who appear to have set their expectations at...winning multiple titles. Although to be fair to Huey that boast usually comes more from Fork.
No I expect them to win multiple titles and will be disappointed if they don't. However I don't agree that winning the regular season easily indicates improved odds of winning it all any more than sneaking in and getting hot indicates the same. The point is to get in, which they have for 3 years running. From there, it's a new season.
Even when they did cruise through a regular season,it didn't mean jack shit as far as their postseason was concerned and easily could've turned to dust. They were looking into the abyss in each series that year, and but for a couple plays here and there, they might have gone down. Their ability to bounce off the mat against San Francisco when they were looking at blowing a 2-0 series lead, coming back down 2-1 to LA when they weren't hitting, and down 3-1 to Cleveland (also not hitting) had jack shit to do with the fact that they were 25-6 at some point 5 months earlier.
I don't know why you operate under some misguided premise that coasting through the regular season ensures a championship, but you do and I suggest that's your problem. Trying to flip the script and point out some a-ha! hypocrisy is pretty fucking weak tea, hoss. Just own up to being an impulsive idiot with the memory and attention span of a gnat. Me? I just plan on following and enjoying this team through their highs and lows and gearing up for a hopefully successful run in October. It's not hard to do with this team. Doubting them seems to take more effort than trusting that they'll be there at the end but you be you.
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Quote from: SKO on May 08, 2018, 11:56:35 AM
I do find it funny that the guys who most often respond to the worriers with "bah, this team is gonna win multiple titles during this run, calm the fuck down" seem the most angry at people who appear to have set their expectations at...winning multiple titles. Although to be fair to Huey that boast usually comes more from Fork.
No I expect them to win multiple titles and will be disappointed if they don't. However I don't agree that winning the regular season easily indicates improved odds of winning it all any more than sneaking in and getting hot indicates the same. The point is to get in, which they have for 3 years running. From there, it's a new season.
Even when they did cruise through a regular season,it didn't mean jack shit as far as their postseason was concerned and easily could've turned to dust. They were looking into the abyss in each series that year, and but for a couple plays here and there, they might have gone down. Their ability to bounce off the mat against San Francisco when they were looking at blowing a 2-0 series lead, coming back down 2-1 to LA when they weren't hitting, and down 3-1 to Cleveland (also not hitting) had jack shit to do with the fact that they were 25-6 at some point 5 months earlier.
I don't know why you operate under some misguided premise that coasting through the regular season ensures a championship, but you do and I suggest that's your problem. Trying to flip the script and point out some a-ha! hypocrisy is pretty fucking weak tea, hoss. Just own up to being an impulsive idiot with the memory and attention span of a gnat. Me? I just plan on following and enjoying this team through their highs and lows and gearing up for a hopefully successful run in October. It's not hard to do with this team. Doubting them seems to take more effort than trusting that they'll be there at the end but you be you.
To be fair "just get in" mattered more before the play in game. The added value of not having to burn your ace in a win or go home situation is huge.
Also "you be you" kinda has no meaning when you consistently object to me being me at every juncture. If it doesn't bother you maybe try not responding to me every time
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I do find it funny that the guys who most often respond to the worriers with "bah, this team is gonna win multiple titles during this run, calm the fuck down" seem the most angry at people who appear to have set their expectations at...winning multiple titles. Although to be fair to Huey that boast usually comes more from Fork.
No I expect them to win multiple titles and will be disappointed if they don't. However I don't agree that winning the regular season easily indicates improved odds of winning it all any more than sneaking in and getting hot indicates the same. The point is to get in, which they have for 3 years running. From there, it's a new season.
Even when they did cruise through a regular season,it didn't mean jack shit as far as their postseason was concerned and easily could've turned to dust. They were looking into the abyss in each series that year, and but for a couple plays here and there, they might have gone down. Their ability to bounce off the mat against San Francisco when they were looking at blowing a 2-0 series lead, coming back down 2-1 to LA when they weren't hitting, and down 3-1 to Cleveland (also not hitting) had jack shit to do with the fact that they were 25-6 at some point 5 months earlier.
I don't know why you operate under some misguided premise that coasting through the regular season ensures a championship, but you do and I suggest that's your problem. Trying to flip the script and point out some a-ha! hypocrisy is pretty fucking weak tea, hoss. Just own up to being an impulsive idiot with the memory and attention span of a gnat. Me? I just plan on following and enjoying this team through their highs and lows and gearing up for a hopefully successful run in October. It's not hard to do with this team. Doubting them seems to take more effort than trusting that they'll be there at the end but you be you.
To be fair "just get in" mattered more before the play in game. The added value of not having to burn your ace in a win or go home situation is huge.
Also "you be you" kinda has no meaning when you consistently object to me being me at every juncture. If it doesn't bother you maybe try not responding to me every time
Well I did follow your advice and stopped following you on Twitter.
And you actually make a good point (!) about just getting in in the Coinflip Game Era. However, at the risk of being struck down for my hubris, I literally find the Cardinals competing for divisional supremacy laughable. I literally laugh at the notion. And getting pantsed by those turds this weekend hasn't moved the needle one bit for me. Let 'em feel good about themselves. The Cubs have absolutely dropped the hammer on this franchise in the months of September and October 3 years running and I look forward to them doing it again. Being scared of this team is beneath us as Cubs fans and I give 2 shits what the standing are in May.
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I do find it funny that the guys who most often respond to the worriers with "bah, this team is gonna win multiple titles during this run, calm the fuck down" seem the most angry at people who appear to have set their expectations at...winning multiple titles. Although to be fair to Huey that boast usually comes more from Fork.
No I expect them to win multiple titles and will be disappointed if they don't. However I don't agree that winning the regular season easily indicates improved odds of winning it all any more than sneaking in and getting hot indicates the same. The point is to get in, which they have for 3 years running. From there, it's a new season.
Even when they did cruise through a regular season,it didn't mean jack shit as far as their postseason was concerned and easily could've turned to dust. They were looking into the abyss in each series that year, and but for a couple plays here and there, they might have gone down. Their ability to bounce off the mat against San Francisco when they were looking at blowing a 2-0 series lead, coming back down 2-1 to LA when they weren't hitting, and down 3-1 to Cleveland (also not hitting) had jack shit to do with the fact that they were 25-6 at some point 5 months earlier.
I don't know why you operate under some misguided premise that coasting through the regular season ensures a championship, but you do and I suggest that's your problem. Trying to flip the script and point out some a-ha! hypocrisy is pretty fucking weak tea, hoss. Just own up to being an impulsive idiot with the memory and attention span of a gnat. Me? I just plan on following and enjoying this team through their highs and lows and gearing up for a hopefully successful run in October. It's not hard to do with this team. Doubting them seems to take more effort than trusting that they'll be there at the end but you be you.
To be fair "just get in" mattered more before the play in game. The added value of not having to burn your ace in a win or go home situation is huge.
Also "you be you" kinda has no meaning when you consistently object to me being me at every juncture. If it doesn't bother you maybe try not responding to me every time
Well I did follow your advice and stopped following you on Twitter.
And you actually make a good point (!) about just getting in in the Coinflip Game Era. However, at the risk of being struck down for my hubris, I literally find the Cardinals competing for divisional supremacy laughable. I literally laugh at the notion. And getting pantsed by those turds this weekend hasn't moved the needle one bit for me. Let 'em feel good about themselves. The Cubs have absolute dropped the hammer on this franchise in the months of September and October 3 years running and I look forward to them doing it again. Being scared this of team is beneath us as Cubs fans and I give 2 shits what the stranding are in May.
And that's a perfectly valid and acceptable response provided you realize the numbers don't consider the Cubs to have that much of an advantage here. Your hubris is also an irrational and emotional response, just the opposite of mine.
We're not so different, you and I.
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I do find it funny that the guys who most often respond to the worriers with "bah, this team is gonna win multiple titles during this run, calm the fuck down" seem the most angry at people who appear to have set their expectations at...winning multiple titles. Although to be fair to Huey that boast usually comes more from Fork.
No I expect them to win multiple titles and will be disappointed if they don't. However I don't agree that winning the regular season easily indicates improved odds of winning it all any more than sneaking in and getting hot indicates the same. The point is to get in, which they have for 3 years running. From there, it's a new season.
Even when they did cruise through a regular season,it didn't mean jack shit as far as their postseason was concerned and easily could've turned to dust. They were looking into the abyss in each series that year, and but for a couple plays here and there, they might have gone down. Their ability to bounce off the mat against San Francisco when they were looking at blowing a 2-0 series lead, coming back down 2-1 to LA when they weren't hitting, and down 3-1 to Cleveland (also not hitting) had jack shit to do with the fact that they were 25-6 at some point 5 months earlier.
I don't know why you operate under some misguided premise that coasting through the regular season ensures a championship, but you do and I suggest that's your problem. Trying to flip the script and point out some a-ha! hypocrisy is pretty fucking weak tea, hoss. Just own up to being an impulsive idiot with the memory and attention span of a gnat. Me? I just plan on following and enjoying this team through their highs and lows and gearing up for a hopefully successful run in October. It's not hard to do with this team. Doubting them seems to take more effort than trusting that they'll be there at the end but you be you.
To be fair "just get in" mattered more before the play in game. The added value of not having to burn your ace in a win or go home situation is huge.
Also "you be you" kinda has no meaning when you consistently object to me being me at every juncture. If it doesn't bother you maybe try not responding to me every time
Well I did follow your advice and stopped following you on Twitter.
And you actually make a good point (!) about just getting in in the Coinflip Game Era. However, at the risk of being struck down for my hubris, I literally find the Cardinals competing for divisional supremacy laughable. I literally laugh at the notion. And getting pantsed by those turds this weekend hasn't moved the needle one bit for me. Let 'em feel good about themselves. The Cubs have absolute dropped the hammer on this franchise in the months of September and October 3 years running and I look forward to them doing it again. Being scared this of team is beneath us as Cubs fans and I give 2 shits what the stranding are in May.
And that's a perfectly valid and acceptable response provided you realize the numbers don't consider the Cubs to have that much of an advantage here. Your hubris is also an irrational and emotional response, just the opposite of mine.
We're not so different, you and I.
Okay, I laughed.
Asshole.
Also the regular season results do to tend to be predictive in terms of the postseason. Although most people act like winning 100 games is some kinda curse because they remember x number of 100 win teams that flopped, a true talent 100 wins the pennant almost half of the time in the WC Era, the odds get worse the lower you go. It's like the mythical President's Cup curse or whatever that is bullshit because 1 seeds in the NHL win more often than other seeds.
The 2016 Cubs for example had about a 25% chance of winning the whole thing, I believe, whereas your average 90 win wildcard team has maybe an 8-12% chance generally. Up to you how much that extra 12% is worth. Theo wagered it was worth Gleyber Torres, anyway.
I know all of this bc you can bet your ass I spent the summer of 2016 calculating just how likely that team was to win it all.
If 162 games divided out into innings, we're currently in the bottom of the second.
The Cubs are going to win the fucking World Serious, and when they do, I want you to remember the self-defecation you wallowed in on May Fucking Eighth.
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If 162 games divided out into innings, we're currently in the bottom of the second.
The Cubs are going to win the fucking World Serious, and when they do, I want you to remember the self-defecation you wallowed in on May Fucking Eighth.
Keep the Faith on May Fucking Eighth
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 08, 2018, 03:53:34 PM
If 162 games divided out into innings, we're currently in the bottom of the second.
The Cubs are going to win the fucking World Serious, and when they do, I want you to remember the self-defecation you wallowed in on May Fucking Eighth.
I'm gonna remember, and laugh, and learn nothing, and do this all over again, and you can't stop me.
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If 162 games divided out into innings, we're currently in the bottom of the second.
The Cubs are going to win the fucking World Serious, and when they do, I want you to remember the self-defecation you wallowed in on May Fucking Eighth.
I'm gonna remember, and laugh, and learn nothing, and do this all over again, and you can't stop me.
I'm hiding the fucking Mallomars where you can't find them.
speaking of this fucking bullpen it's like really fucking good. Hopefully the starters can start logging some more innings so they don't wear down in the second half like they did last year but so far this is the most reliable Cubs bullpen I can remember. I wish Morrow hadn't blown *that* particular save, but hard to bitch about him otherwise.
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here let me help you:
Suggested things to complain/worry about:
Rizzo's bat
how dare you, you entitled sonofabitch
Is the Justin Hancock experiment over?
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here let me help you:
Suggested things to complain/worry about:
Rizzo's bat
how dare you, you entitled sonofabitch
I know, right?
(https://i.imgur.com/CDttdfh.png)
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here let me help you:
Suggested things to complain/worry about:
Rizzo's bat
how dare you, you entitled sonofabitch
I know, right?
(https://i.imgur.com/CDttdfh.png)
Well I mean we'd already established that
I was an entitled asshole.
Montgomery has been less than good this year. His ERA and FIP are up over a run, and his K rate has been cut in half, from 18.5% last year to 9.3% this year.
Oleg and I were nosing around, and swaw that he's going to his changeup a a lot more (18.3% up from 12.1% last year), and his curveball a lot less 18.7%, down from 23.9 last year).
Where it gets really weird is that his soft contact is up about 10%, while his hard contact has dropped by that corresponding percentage. And his GB%, which is always good, is actually up from 57.8% to 67.2%.
Anybody got any ideas?
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Montgomery has been less than good this year. His ERA and FIP are up over a run, and his K rate has been cut in half, from 18.5% last year to 9.3% this year.
Oleg and I were nosing around, and swaw that he's going to his changeup a a lot more (18.3% up from 12.1% last year), and his curveball a lot less 18.7%, down from 23.9 last year).
Where it gets really weird is that his soft contact is up about 10%, while his hard contact has dropped by that corresponding percentage. And his GB%, which is always good, is actually up from 57.8% to 67.2%.
Anybody got any ideas?
They asked him to throw his curveball less because he struggled to throw it for strikes, and he gets weak contact off his changeup? I dunno. He's not gonna K a lot of dudes without that hook though because he doesn't really have any other swing and miss pitches.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2018, 03:13:01 PM
Montgomery has been less than good this year. His ERA and FIP are up over a run, and his K rate has been cut in half, from 18.5% last year to 9.3% this year.
Oleg and I were nosing around, and swaw that he's going to his changeup a a lot more (18.3% up from 12.1% last year), and his curveball a lot less 18.7%, down from 23.9 last year).
Where it gets really weird is that his soft contact is up about 10%, while his hard contact has dropped by that corresponding percentage. And his GB%, which is always good, is actually up from 57.8% to 67.2%.
Anybody got any ideas?
Chris Bosio is good, and Jim Hickey is bad. QED.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 10, 2018, 08:34:50 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2018, 03:13:01 PM
Montgomery has been less than good this year. His ERA and FIP are up over a run, and his K rate has been cut in half, from 18.5% last year to 9.3% this year.
Oleg and I were nosing around, and swaw that he's going to his changeup a a lot more (18.3% up from 12.1% last year), and his curveball a lot less 18.7%, down from 23.9 last year).
Where it gets really weird is that his soft contact is up about 10%, while his hard contact has dropped by that corresponding percentage. And his GB%, which is always good, is actually up from 57.8% to 67.2%.
Anybody got any ideas?
Chris Bosio is good, and Jim Hickey is bad. QED.
More to the root cause, Epstink is terrible.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 11, 2018, 08:25:58 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 10, 2018, 08:34:50 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2018, 03:13:01 PM
Montgomery has been less than good this year. His ERA and FIP are up over a run, and his K rate has been cut in half, from 18.5% last year to 9.3% this year.
Oleg and I were nosing around, and swaw that he's going to his changeup a a lot more (18.3% up from 12.1% last year), and his curveball a lot less 18.7%, down from 23.9 last year).
Where it gets really weird is that his soft contact is up about 10%, while his hard contact has dropped by that corresponding percentage. And his GB%, which is always good, is actually up from 57.8% to 67.2%.
Anybody got any ideas?
Chris Bosio is good, and Jim Hickey is bad. QED.
More to the root cause, Epstink is terrible.
Maybe we should call him Epstunk because he's a washed up has been who hasn't done anything good since 2016.
Quote from: SKO on May 11, 2018, 08:34:10 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 11, 2018, 08:25:58 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 10, 2018, 08:34:50 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2018, 03:13:01 PM
Montgomery has been less than good this year. His ERA and FIP are up over a run, and his K rate has been cut in half, from 18.5% last year to 9.3% this year.
Oleg and I were nosing around, and swaw that he's going to his changeup a a lot more (18.3% up from 12.1% last year), and his curveball a lot less 18.7%, down from 23.9 last year).
Where it gets really weird is that his soft contact is up about 10%, while his hard contact has dropped by that corresponding percentage. And his GB%, which is always good, is actually up from 57.8% to 67.2%.
Anybody got any ideas?
Chris Bosio is good, and Jim Hickey is bad. QED.
More to the root cause, Epstink is terrible.
Maybe we should call him Epstunk because he's a washed up has been who hasn't done anything good since 2016.
ingrate
Quote from: CBStew on May 11, 2018, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 11, 2018, 08:34:10 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 11, 2018, 08:25:58 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 10, 2018, 08:34:50 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2018, 03:13:01 PM
Montgomery has been less than good this year. His ERA and FIP are up over a run, and his K rate has been cut in half, from 18.5% last year to 9.3% this year.
Oleg and I were nosing around, and swaw that he's going to his changeup a a lot more (18.3% up from 12.1% last year), and his curveball a lot less 18.7%, down from 23.9 last year).
Where it gets really weird is that his soft contact is up about 10%, while his hard contact has dropped by that corresponding percentage. And his GB%, which is always good, is actually up from 57.8% to 67.2%.
Anybody got any ideas?
Chris Bosio is good, and Jim Hickey is bad. QED.
More to the root cause, Epstink is terrible.
Maybe we should call him Epstunk because he's a washed up has been who hasn't done anything good since 2016.
ingrate
more like "I'm great" amirite
Quote from: SKO on May 11, 2018, 11:45:52 AM
Quote from: CBStew on May 11, 2018, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 11, 2018, 08:34:10 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 11, 2018, 08:25:58 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 10, 2018, 08:34:50 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 10, 2018, 03:13:01 PM
Montgomery has been less than good this year. His ERA and FIP are up over a run, and his K rate has been cut in half, from 18.5% last year to 9.3% this year.
Oleg and I were nosing around, and swaw that he's going to his changeup a a lot more (18.3% up from 12.1% last year), and his curveball a lot less 18.7%, down from 23.9 last year).
Where it gets really weird is that his soft contact is up about 10%, while his hard contact has dropped by that corresponding percentage. And his GB%, which is always good, is actually up from 57.8% to 67.2%.
Anybody got any ideas?
Chris Bosio is good, and Jim Hickey is bad. QED.
More to the root cause, Epstink is terrible.
Maybe we should call him Epstunk because he's a washed up has been who hasn't done anything good since 2016.
ingrate
more like "I'm great" amirite
no
So Justin Hancock is on the roster because the Cubs need someone to put in there in the 8th inning when they have a 9 run lead?
Duensing is painful to watch.
Well that sucked.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 03, 2018, 08:25:12 PM
Well that sucked.
You don't get to bill six minutes for that.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 03, 2018, 08:25:12 PM
Well that sucked.
One bullpen implosion a month isn't that bad.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 04, 2018, 08:10:53 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 03, 2018, 08:25:12 PM
Well that sucked.
One bullpen implosion a month isn't that bad.
I'll settle for one a week? Holy shit this pen is trash right now.
Dillon Maples really needs to lean into this whole "blazing speed and no control" thing by either letting his hair grow or getting some goofy glasses or something - maybe firing his first warmup pitch into the backstop. If he can't throw strikes, he might as well be a character.
In the meantime, it's fung watching opposing batters bail out on strikes.
Fuck the Ricketts for putting together such a cheap-ass piece of shit excuse for a bullpen. They're getting exactly what they deserve, this week especially.
Is this where we talk about Pedro Strop being a fucking piece of shit? Or do I have the wrong thread?
Bump
Am I the only one? It seems to me that the relief pitchers that the Cubs are acquiring have one thing in common. They are all coming off injuries and have spent most of the previous season on the disabled list. Cobble 4 or 5 of them together and you may get one whole pitcher.
Quote from: CBStew on December 21, 2019, 11:39:29 AM
Am I the only one? It seems to me that the relief pitchers that the Cubs are acquiring have one thing in common. They are all coming off injuries and have spent most of the previous season on the disabled list. Cobble 4 or 5 of them together and you may get one whole pitcher.
We might be at the beginning of a terrible Frankenstein spin off B movie.
Quote from: Bort on December 21, 2019, 01:36:28 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 21, 2019, 11:39:29 AM
Am I the only one? It seems to me that the relief pitchers that the Cubs are acquiring have one thing in common. They are all coming off injuries and have spent most of the previous season on the disabled list. Cobble 4 or 5 of them together and you may get one whole pitcher.
We might be at the beginning of a terrible Frankenstein spin off B movie.
That was the Hendry strategy. Roll the dice on cheap, damaged arms, with big upside. It occasionally worked, but mayyyybe not the hallmark of a winner?
The Cubs MUST sign Richard Hill.
1.He is 39 years old.
2. He is trying to get over a pitching arm injury.
3. And he was just arrested for disorderly conduct.
perfect.