It's very good. But, it has some small issues.
First two acts are too talky. Takes too long to assemble the team. They don't really generate the kind of byplay between the team to make the team feel like a team. The plot to capture the plans feels half assed. There's one too many Elder Statesmen types in this.
But that's a bit nitpicky. The third act is terrific. They make some very smart and unusual choices with the characters. And Darth Vader is fucking bad ass.
It's a slightly lesser Dirty Dozen in space. Well worth seeing.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 16, 2016, 11:14:58 AM
It's very good. But, it has some small issues.
First two acts are too talky. Takes too long to assemble the team. They don't really generate the kind of byplay between the team to make the team feel like a team. The plot to capture the plans feels half assed. There's one too many Elder Statesmen types in this.
But that's a bit nitpicky. The third act is terrific. They make some very smart and unusual choices with the characters. And Darth Vader is fucking bad ass.
It's a slightly lesser Dirty Dozen in space. Well worth seeing.
The Dirty Dozen was a Pixar movie?
Chuck is dead-on right, which is terrifying. You can see the seams a bit where the re-shoots changed the original plan, because Saw Guererra was poorly explained (if you've watched Clone Wars though that helps) and there was definitely more back story for Galen and Krennic that felt like it had been left on the cutting room floor.
But everything comes together in an absolutely flawless third act that really makes you feel like we're right back where we started.
The Vader scene was utterly terrifying.
Also SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER the way they did Tarkin and Leia was amazing SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
Quote from: SKO on December 16, 2016, 05:08:37 PM
Chuck is dead-on right, which is terrifying. You can see the seams a bit where the re-shoots changed the original plan, because Saw Guererra was poorly explained (if you've watched Clone Wars though that helps) and there was definitely more back story for Galen and Krennic that felt like it had been left on the cutting room floor.
But everything comes together in an absolutely flawless third act that really makes you feel like we're right back where we started.
The Vader scene was utterly terrifying.
The Saw Guererra stuff was the worst part. It was clearly only there because of the TV show. Since I haven't watched the TV show I was very confused why we needed him AND the dad. Guererra is to this movie as Spider-man was to Civil War.
I had read about the Vader scene. Without spoiling anything, I at first thought, "Man, the critics oversold it." Then, it was "Ah ha!"
I, too, really enjoyed it, and am looking forward to watching it again.
The Vader scene at the end was outstanding. It's obvious that the abilities of the Jedi have changed from when Lucas made the first Star Wars movie, as that scene of ass-kickery should have occurred at the beginning of Star Wars as well.
The Vader scene was everything I wanted from the prequels.
I went to see two films this Christmas: the new J.K. Rowling, and this one. I slept for a good three-quarters of an hour in the middle of both.
Quote from: Tonker on January 02, 2017, 02:33:17 PM
I went to see two films this Christmas: the new J.K. Rowling, and this one. I slept for a good three-quarters of an hour in the middle of both.
Plinkett dropped an 7-8 minute piece on R1. Pretty much nailed it.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 02, 2017, 06:06:16 PM
Quote from: Tonker on January 02, 2017, 02:33:17 PM
I went to see two films this Christmas: the new J.K. Rowling, and this one. I slept for a good three-quarters of an hour in the middle of both.
Plinkett dropped an 7-8 minute piece on R1. Pretty much nailed it.
I agree with him and most reviewers who say the character development in the movie was fairly poor overall and that the first two acts were choppy story-wise. That said, I think his whole "the movie doesn't stand on its own without the star wars nostalgia" criticism is a little ridiculous.
"If you didn't know what Star Wars was you wouldn't know how Vader was choking that guy, why the Empire is bad, why the whole point of this movie is to steal the plans but not blow up the Death Star".
Well, no shit. No one should see this movie if they haven't seen fucking Star Wars. I don't think a valid criticism of franchise movies is "well, they rely too much on the franchise" and yet Plinkett goes to that well a lot. He acts like everyone should just accept that the fact that Disney now makes Star Wars and that it's going to be an endless franchise is inherently bad. If the franchise installments are actually good, and make sense, then make as many as you want. I'm not asking for Citizen Kane, I want competently made films set in the Star Wars universe. TFA and Rogue One are exactly that, the Prequels were not. "GRR FRANCHISING" is not sufficient criticism for me.
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2017, 11:24:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 02, 2017, 06:06:16 PM
Quote from: Tonker on January 02, 2017, 02:33:17 PM
I went to see two films this Christmas: the new J.K. Rowling, and this one. I slept for a good three-quarters of an hour in the middle of both.
Plinkett dropped an 7-8 minute piece on R1. Pretty much nailed it.
I agree with him and most reviewers who say the character development in the movie was fairly poor overall and that the first two acts were choppy story-wise. That said, I think his whole "the movie doesn't stand on its own without the star wars nostalgia" criticism is a little ridiculous.
"If you didn't know what Star Wars was you wouldn't know how Vader was choking that guy, why the Empire is bad, why the whole point of this movie is to steal the plans but not blow up the Death Star".
Well, no shit. No one should see this movie if they haven't seen fucking Star Wars. I don't think a valid criticism of franchise movies is "well, they rely too much on the franchise" and yet Plinkett goes to that well a lot. He acts like everyone should just accept that the fact that Disney now makes Star Wars and that it's going to be an endless franchise is inherently bad. If the franchise installments are actually good, and make sense, then make as many as you want. I'm not asking for Citizen Kane, I want competently made films set in the Star Wars universe. TFA and Rogue One are exactly that, the Prequels were not. "GRR FRANCHISING" is not sufficient criticism for me.
I find that to be an odd criticism since Empire, which is usually hailed as the best in the series relies almost entirely on character development from its predecessor.
Quote from: CT III on January 03, 2017, 11:33:29 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2017, 11:24:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 02, 2017, 06:06:16 PM
Quote from: Tonker on January 02, 2017, 02:33:17 PM
I went to see two films this Christmas: the new J.K. Rowling, and this one. I slept for a good three-quarters of an hour in the middle of both.
Plinkett dropped an 7-8 minute piece on R1. Pretty much nailed it.
I agree with him and most reviewers who say the character development in the movie was fairly poor overall and that the first two acts were choppy story-wise. That said, I think his whole "the movie doesn't stand on its own without the star wars nostalgia" criticism is a little ridiculous.
"If you didn't know what Star Wars was you wouldn't know how Vader was choking that guy, why the Empire is bad, why the whole point of this movie is to steal the plans but not blow up the Death Star".
Well, no shit. No one should see this movie if they haven't seen fucking Star Wars. I don't think a valid criticism of franchise movies is "well, they rely too much on the franchise" and yet Plinkett goes to that well a lot. He acts like everyone should just accept that the fact that Disney now makes Star Wars and that it's going to be an endless franchise is inherently bad. If the franchise installments are actually good, and make sense, then make as many as you want. I'm not asking for Citizen Kane, I want competently made films set in the Star Wars universe. TFA and Rogue One are exactly that, the Prequels were not. "GRR FRANCHISING" is not sufficient criticism for me.
I find that to be an odd criticism since Empire, which is usually hailed as the best in the series relies almost entirely on character development from its predecessor.
Yeah, I'm not completely with him on the "movie makes no sense without knowing Ep 4." But the character stuff was dead on.
This was a tough story to tell. You walk into the theater knowing that the heist is successful. That means that the plot is basically secondary to the characters. And the characters were poorly done.
That said, the third act was great and that a FRANCHISE would introduce new characters and kill all of them off was a bold choice.
Then again, I guess once Disney saw how shitty they were, killing them off was maybe not so bold.
Quote from: CT III on January 03, 2017, 11:33:29 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2017, 11:24:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 02, 2017, 06:06:16 PM
Quote from: Tonker on January 02, 2017, 02:33:17 PM
I went to see two films this Christmas: the new J.K. Rowling, and this one. I slept for a good three-quarters of an hour in the middle of both.
Plinkett dropped an 7-8 minute piece on R1. Pretty much nailed it.
I agree with him and most reviewers who say the character development in the movie was fairly poor overall and that the first two acts were choppy story-wise. That said, I think his whole "the movie doesn't stand on its own without the star wars nostalgia" criticism is a little ridiculous.
"If you didn't know what Star Wars was you wouldn't know how Vader was choking that guy, why the Empire is bad, why the whole point of this movie is to steal the plans but not blow up the Death Star".
Well, no shit. No one should see this movie if they haven't seen fucking Star Wars. I don't think a valid criticism of franchise movies is "well, they rely too much on the franchise" and yet Plinkett goes to that well a lot. He acts like everyone should just accept that the fact that Disney now makes Star Wars and that it's going to be an endless franchise is inherently bad. If the franchise installments are actually good, and make sense, then make as many as you want. I'm not asking for Citizen Kane, I want competently made films set in the Star Wars universe. TFA and Rogue One are exactly that, the Prequels were not. "GRR FRANCHISING" is not sufficient criticism for me.
I find that to be an odd criticism since Empire, which is usually hailed as the best in the series relies almost entirely on character development from its predecessor.
It's an asinine criticism, because if your movie in no way relies on tying in to the shared Star Wars universe, it should probably be a stand-alone, non-franchise movie in the first place.
I find all this bitching about "franchise movies," "comic book movies," or whatever to be fairly pointless. If a movie is good, it's good. If it's bad, it's bad. There are plenty of shitty movies not based on comics or ongoing franchises, and there are plenty of entertaining movies that are.
DPD - I do think the character work on Rogue One was pretty bad, for the record. But it was still an overall enjoyable movie.
Quote from: Bort on January 03, 2017, 11:57:37 AM
DPD - I do think the character work on Rogue One was pretty bad, for the record. But it was still an overall enjoyable movie.
The second time through I actually thought they did a better job on Jyn than I thought the first time watching it. Her conversion from cynic to leader felt forced and way too sudden, but watching it again and realizing both her adopted father figure (Saw) and her real father died right after begging her to do the right thing/save the rebellion/destroy the Death Star, her development didn't feel as rushed.
Cassian was a cypher, and just having him vaguely allude to his tragic past as justification for his behavior is still weak, we really needed to know his story.
I'd have liked more on why the pilot decided to defect, why Galen meant so much to him, and there's a good story to be told about Chirrut and Baze being Jedi-worshipping monks who have to find their place in a world after basically watching God die. That movie did not tell it.
So yeah, I get the character criticism. About halfway through my first watch of the movie I wasn't sure I was even enjoying it, but the ending really packs such a punch I don't care.
Also the benefit of being an uber-Star Wars nerd who reads all of the books and comics and watches the shows is that I know I'm going to get plenty of tie-in media that eventually fills in all of the holes to my satisfaction anyway.
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2017, 12:29:22 PM
Quote from: Bort on January 03, 2017, 11:57:37 AM
DPD - I do think the character work on Rogue One was pretty bad, for the record. But it was still an overall enjoyable movie.
The second time through I actually thought they did a better job on Jyn than I thought the first time watching it. Her conversion from cynic to leader felt forced and way too sudden, but watching it again and realizing both her adopted father figure (Saw) and her real father died right after begging her to do the right thing/save the rebellion/destroy the Death Star, her development didn't feel as rushed.
Cassian was a cypher, and just having him vaguely allude to his tragic past as justification for his behavior is still weak, we really needed to know his story.
I'd have liked more on why the pilot decided to defect, why Galen meant so much to him, and there's a good story to be told about Chirrut and Baze being Jedi-worshipping monks who have to find their place in a world after basically watching God die. That movie did not tell it.
So yeah, I get the character criticism. About halfway through my first watch of the movie I wasn't sure I was even enjoying it, but the ending really packs such a punch I don't care.
Also the benefit of being an uber-Star Wars nerd who reads all of the books and comics and watches the shows is that I know I'm going to get plenty of tie-in media that eventually fills in all of the holes to my satisfaction anyway.
It also seems clear from the news stories about the rewrites done / 40% of the filming being reshot is that the character work was done and it came out pretty bad. I'd guess they saved the film by cutting all of that out and just showing action. I'm very curious to see what Edwards gets next. His IMDB page doesn't show a current project.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 03, 2017, 01:25:49 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2017, 12:29:22 PM
Quote from: Bort on January 03, 2017, 11:57:37 AM
DPD - I do think the character work on Rogue One was pretty bad, for the record. But it was still an overall enjoyable movie.
The second time through I actually thought they did a better job on Jyn than I thought the first time watching it. Her conversion from cynic to leader felt forced and way too sudden, but watching it again and realizing both her adopted father figure (Saw) and her real father died right after begging her to do the right thing/save the rebellion/destroy the Death Star, her development didn't feel as rushed.
Cassian was a cypher, and just having him vaguely allude to his tragic past as justification for his behavior is still weak, we really needed to know his story.
I'd have liked more on why the pilot decided to defect, why Galen meant so much to him, and there's a good story to be told about Chirrut and Baze being Jedi-worshipping monks who have to find their place in a world after basically watching God die. That movie did not tell it.
So yeah, I get the character criticism. About halfway through my first watch of the movie I wasn't sure I was even enjoying it, but the ending really packs such a punch I don't care.
Also the benefit of being an uber-Star Wars nerd who reads all of the books and comics and watches the shows is that I know I'm going to get plenty of tie-in media that eventually fills in all of the holes to my satisfaction anyway.
It also seems clear from the news stories about the rewrites done / 40% of the filming being reshot is that the character work was done and it came out pretty bad. I'd guess they saved the film by cutting all of that out and just showing action. I'm very curious to see what Edwards gets next. His IMDB page doesn't show a current project.
Yeah, RESHOOTS are usually thrown around as a big red flag and people like to just automatically assume the evil old studio is trying to crush the auteur director but a lot of times studio interference saves shit like this. There were all kinds of rumors about Disney running off the director for Thor 2 and Ant-Man and yet both movies ended up legitimately fun, entertaining blockbuster fare.
Sometimes directors go overboard, too, and studios really do have to rein them in. The rumors are that the Edwards cut was far darker and far less hopeful than what they got. I understand wanting to do a gritty, nihilistic "war is hell and both sides really lose" kinda thing but that doesn't really work as a Star Wars movie. There are shades of grey but "empire bad, rebels good, stopping Nazis who blow up planets is necessary work" is kind of essential to the story.
I've finally just seen it. Some mild SPOILERS below:
I loved it. The characters were a bit thin but I'm a guy who loves the shit out of Kelly's Heroes and the only characters I can even name from that movie are the titular Kelly and Oddball. And Don Rickles, who is playing Don Rickles.
What was I talking about? Oh yeah, Rogue One. It had what I wanted: a filthy, lived-in world. Periods of violence, punctuated by a robot or monk cracking wise. And a third act battle that goes down as maybe the finest combat sequence this series has ever put on screen.
I could have done without a couple of the extra video game contrivances thrown in the way of the heroes transmitting the plans (since we knew it was going to happen) but I can forgive just about anything of a movie that gives me a convincingly filmed scene featuring one Star Destroyer cleaving another in twain before absolutely WRECKING a planetary shield. If you were looking for something that gave a deeper insight into the SW universe, I can understand why you'd be disappointed. I wasn't, and I'm not.
Quote from: CT III on January 07, 2017, 09:03:03 PM
I've finally just seen it. Some mild SPOILERS below:
I loved it. The characters were a bit thin but I'm a guy who loves the shit out of Kelly's Heroes and the only characters I can even name from that movie are the titular Kelly and Oddball. And Don Rickles, who is playing Don Rickles.
What was I talking about? Oh yeah, Rogue One. It had what I wanted: a filthy, lived-in world. Periods of violence, punctuated by a robot or monk cracking wise. And a third act battle that goes down as maybe the finest combat sequence this series has ever put on screen.
I could have done without a couple of the extra video game contrivances thrown in the way of the heroes transmitting the plans (since we knew it was going to happen) but I can forgive just about anything of a movie that gives me a convincingly filmed scene featuring one Star Destroyer cleaving another in twain before absolutely WRECKING a planetary shield. If you were looking for something that gave a deeper insight into the SW universe, I can understand why you'd be disappointed. I wasn't, and I'm not.
Twain. Things get cleaved in twain.
Quote from: Tonker on January 08, 2017, 01:10:59 AM
Quote from: CT III on January 07, 2017, 09:03:03 PM
I've finally just seen it. Some mild SPOILERS below:
I loved it. The characters were a bit thin but I'm a guy who loves the shit out of Kelly's Heroes and the only characters I can even name from that movie are the titular Kelly and Oddball. And Don Rickles, who is playing Don Rickles.
What was I talking about? Oh yeah, Rogue One. It had what I wanted: a filthy, lived-in world. Periods of violence, punctuated by a robot or monk cracking wise. And a third act battle that goes down as maybe the finest combat sequence this series has ever put on screen.
I could have done without a couple of the extra video game contrivances thrown in the way of the heroes transmitting the plans (since we knew it was going to happen) but I can forgive just about anything of a movie that gives me a convincingly filmed scene featuring one Star Destroyer cleaving another in twain before absolutely WRECKING a planetary shield. If you were looking for something that gave a deeper insight into the SW universe, I can understand why you'd be disappointed. I wasn't, and I'm not.
Twain. Things get cleaved in twain.
Dude, he's not even going to remember this post.
Quote from: CT III on January 07, 2017, 09:03:03 PM
I've finally just seen it. Some mild SPOILERS below:
I loved it. The characters were a bit thin but I'm a guy who loves the shit out of Kelly's Heroes and the only characters I can even name from that movie are the titular Kelly and Oddball. And Don Rickles, who is playing Don Rickles.
What was I talking about? Oh yeah, Rogue One. It had what I wanted: a filthy, lived-in world. Periods of violence, punctuated by a robot or monk cracking wise. And a third act battle that goes down as maybe the finest combat sequence this series has ever put on screen.
I could have done without a couple of the extra video game contrivances thrown in the way of the heroes transmitting the plans (since we knew it was going to happen) but I can forgive just about anything of a movie that gives me a convincingly filmed scene featuring one Star Destroyer cleaving another in twain before absolutely WRECKING a planetary shield. If you were looking for something that gave a deeper insight into the SW universe, I can understand why you'd be disappointed. I wasn't, and I'm not.
Pretty much all of this. The last 30 minutes or so was especially fantastic.
My only minor disappointment was that the final Vader scene had been built up by so many people that it ended up being a little underwhelming for me. Probably just a product of expectations though.
Quote from: Eli on January 08, 2017, 10:23:48 PM
Quote from: CT III on January 07, 2017, 09:03:03 PM
I've finally just seen it. Some mild SPOILERS below:
I loved it. The characters were a bit thin but I'm a guy who loves the shit out of Kelly's Heroes and the only characters I can even name from that movie are the titular Kelly and Oddball. And Don Rickles, who is playing Don Rickles.
What was I talking about? Oh yeah, Rogue One. It had what I wanted: a filthy, lived-in world. Periods of violence, punctuated by a robot or monk cracking wise. And a third act battle that goes down as maybe the finest combat sequence this series has ever put on screen.
I could have done without a couple of the extra video game contrivances thrown in the way of the heroes transmitting the plans (since we knew it was going to happen) but I can forgive just about anything of a movie that gives me a convincingly filmed scene featuring one Star Destroyer cleaving another in twain before absolutely WRECKING a planetary shield. If you were looking for something that gave a deeper insight into the SW universe, I can understand why you'd be disappointed. I wasn't, and I'm not.
Pretty much all of this. The last 30 minutes or so was especially fantastic.
My only minor disappointment was that the final Vader scene had been built up by so many people that it ended up being a little underwhelming for me. Probably just a product of expectations though.
Agreed on the Vader bit. It was good but what I'd just seen blew it away.
However that goes both ways, because while Tarkin's presence in the film was built up to be anything from a disappointment to a disaster, it didn't really bother me at all.
Quote from: CT III on January 07, 2017, 09:03:03 PM
I've finally just seen it. Some mild SPOILERS below:
I loved it. The characters were a bit thin but I'm a guy who loves the shit out of Kelly's Heroes and the only characters I can even name from that movie are the titular Kelly and Oddball. And Don Rickles, who is playing Don Rickles.
What was I talking about? Oh yeah, Rogue One. It had what I wanted: a filthy, lived-in world. Periods of violence, punctuated by a robot or monk cracking wise. And a third act battle that goes down as maybe the finest combat sequence this series has ever put on screen.
I could have done without a couple of the extra video game contrivances thrown in the way of the heroes transmitting the plans (since we knew it was going to happen) but I can forgive just about anything of a movie that gives me a convincingly filmed scene featuring one Star Destroyer cleaving another in twain before absolutely WRECKING a planetary shield. If you were looking for something that gave a deeper insight into the SW universe, I can understand why you'd be disappointed. I wasn't, and I'm not.
Yawn. That old trope?
Quote from: CT III on January 08, 2017, 11:46:56 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 08, 2017, 10:23:48 PM
Quote from: CT III on January 07, 2017, 09:03:03 PM
I've finally just seen it. Some mild SPOILERS below:
I loved it. The characters were a bit thin but I'm a guy who loves the shit out of Kelly's Heroes and the only characters I can even name from that movie are the titular Kelly and Oddball. And Don Rickles, who is playing Don Rickles.
What was I talking about? Oh yeah, Rogue One. It had what I wanted: a filthy, lived-in world. Periods of violence, punctuated by a robot or monk cracking wise. And a third act battle that goes down as maybe the finest combat sequence this series has ever put on screen.
I could have done without a couple of the extra video game contrivances thrown in the way of the heroes transmitting the plans (since we knew it was going to happen) but I can forgive just about anything of a movie that gives me a convincingly filmed scene featuring one Star Destroyer cleaving another in twain before absolutely WRECKING a planetary shield. If you were looking for something that gave a deeper insight into the SW universe, I can understand why you'd be disappointed. I wasn't, and I'm not.
Pretty much all of this. The last 30 minutes or so was especially fantastic.
My only minor disappointment was that the final Vader scene had been built up by so many people that it ended up being a little underwhelming for me. Probably just a product of expectations though.
Agreed on the Vader bit. It was good but what I'd just seen blew it away.
However that goes both ways, because while Tarkin's presence in the film was built up to be anything from a disappointment to a disaster, it didn't really bother me at all.
Yeah one review I had read before the movie said Tarkin's presence was so distracting it was like a "PS4 character standing in a room of real people" so when I actually saw him I was like "Christ, it's nowhere near that bad" so it never bothered me.
Quote from: Tonker on January 08, 2017, 01:10:59 AM
Quote from: CT III on January 07, 2017, 09:03:03 PM
I've finally just seen it. Some mild SPOILERS below:
I loved it. The characters were a bit thin but I'm a guy who loves the shit out of Kelly's Heroes and the only characters I can even name from that movie are the titular Kelly and Oddball. And Don Rickles, who is playing Don Rickles.
What was I talking about? Oh yeah, Rogue One. It had what I wanted: a filthy, lived-in world. Periods of violence, punctuated by a robot or monk cracking wise. And a third act battle that goes down as maybe the finest combat sequence this series has ever put on screen.
I could have done without a couple of the extra video game contrivances thrown in the way of the heroes transmitting the plans (since we knew it was going to happen) but I can forgive just about anything of a movie that gives me a convincingly filmed scene featuring one Star Destroyer cleaving another in twain before absolutely WRECKING a planetary shield. If you were looking for something that gave a deeper insight into the SW universe, I can understand why you'd be disappointed. I wasn't, and I'm not.
Twain. Things get cleaved in twain.
I agree with CT. If you are going to use words like "cleaved" it is obligatory that you use the word "twain". Mark my words.
Quote from: SKO on January 09, 2017, 10:04:51 AM
Quote from: CT III on January 08, 2017, 11:46:56 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 08, 2017, 10:23:48 PM
Quote from: CT III on January 07, 2017, 09:03:03 PM
I've finally just seen it. Some mild SPOILERS below:
I loved it. The characters were a bit thin but I'm a guy who loves the shit out of Kelly's Heroes and the only characters I can even name from that movie are the titular Kelly and Oddball. And Don Rickles, who is playing Don Rickles.
What was I talking about? Oh yeah, Rogue One. It had what I wanted: a filthy, lived-in world. Periods of violence, punctuated by a robot or monk cracking wise. And a third act battle that goes down as maybe the finest combat sequence this series has ever put on screen.
I could have done without a couple of the extra video game contrivances thrown in the way of the heroes transmitting the plans (since we knew it was going to happen) but I can forgive just about anything of a movie that gives me a convincingly filmed scene featuring one Star Destroyer cleaving another in twain before absolutely WRECKING a planetary shield. If you were looking for something that gave a deeper insight into the SW universe, I can understand why you'd be disappointed. I wasn't, and I'm not.
Pretty much all of this. The last 30 minutes or so was especially fantastic.
My only minor disappointment was that the final Vader scene had been built up by so many people that it ended up being a little underwhelming for me. Probably just a product of expectations though.
Agreed on the Vader bit. It was good but what I'd just seen blew it away.
However that goes both ways, because while Tarkin's presence in the film was built up to be anything from a disappointment to a disaster, it didn't really bother me at all.
Yeah one review I had read before the movie said Tarkin's presence was so distracting it was like a "PS4 character standing in a room of real people" so when I actually saw him I was like "Christ, it's nowhere near that bad" so it never bothered me.
I thought Tarkin looked great, but Leia seemed off to me.
The whole movie was worth it just for Red an Gold leaders.
Quote from: Tony on January 12, 2017, 09:03:08 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 09, 2017, 10:04:51 AM
Quote from: CT III on January 08, 2017, 11:46:56 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 08, 2017, 10:23:48 PM
Quote from: CT III on January 07, 2017, 09:03:03 PM
I've finally just seen it. Some mild SPOILERS below:
I loved it. The characters were a bit thin but I'm a guy who loves the shit out of Kelly's Heroes and the only characters I can even name from that movie are the titular Kelly and Oddball. And Don Rickles, who is playing Don Rickles.
What was I talking about? Oh yeah, Rogue One. It had what I wanted: a filthy, lived-in world. Periods of violence, punctuated by a robot or monk cracking wise. And a third act battle that goes down as maybe the finest combat sequence this series has ever put on screen.
I could have done without a couple of the extra video game contrivances thrown in the way of the heroes transmitting the plans (since we knew it was going to happen) but I can forgive just about anything of a movie that gives me a convincingly filmed scene featuring one Star Destroyer cleaving another in twain before absolutely WRECKING a planetary shield. If you were looking for something that gave a deeper insight into the SW universe, I can understand why you'd be disappointed. I wasn't, and I'm not.
Pretty much all of this. The last 30 minutes or so was especially fantastic.
My only minor disappointment was that the final Vader scene had been built up by so many people that it ended up being a little underwhelming for me. Probably just a product of expectations though.
Agreed on the Vader bit. It was good but what I'd just seen blew it away.
However that goes both ways, because while Tarkin's presence in the film was built up to be anything from a disappointment to a disaster, it didn't really bother me at all.
Yeah one review I had read before the movie said Tarkin's presence was so distracting it was like a "PS4 character standing in a room of real people" so when I actually saw him I was like "Christ, it's nowhere near that bad" so it never bothered me.
I thought Tarkin looked great, but Leia seemed off to me.
The whole movie was worth it just for Red an Gold leaders.
I endorse this post.
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I've finally just seen it. Some mild SPOILERS below:
I loved it. The characters were a bit thin but I'm a guy who loves the shit out of Kelly's Heroes and the only characters I can even name from that movie are the titular Kelly and Oddball. And Don Rickles, who is playing Don Rickles.
What was I talking about? Oh yeah, Rogue One. It had what I wanted: a filthy, lived-in world. Periods of violence, punctuated by a robot or monk cracking wise. And a third act battle that goes down as maybe the finest combat sequence this series has ever put on screen.
I could have done without a couple of the extra video game contrivances thrown in the way of the heroes transmitting the plans (since we knew it was going to happen) but I can forgive just about anything of a movie that gives me a convincingly filmed scene featuring one Star Destroyer cleaving another in twain before absolutely WRECKING a planetary shield. If you were looking for something that gave a deeper insight into the SW universe, I can understand why you'd be disappointed. I wasn't, and I'm not.
Pretty much all of this. The last 30 minutes or so was especially fantastic.
My only minor disappointment was that the final Vader scene had been built up by so many people that it ended up being a little underwhelming for me. Probably just a product of expectations though.
Agreed on the Vader bit. It was good but what I'd just seen blew it away.
However that goes both ways, because while Tarkin's presence in the film was built up to be anything from a disappointment to a disaster, it didn't really bother me at all.
Yeah one review I had read before the movie said Tarkin's presence was so distracting it was like a "PS4 character standing in a room of real people" so when I actually saw him I was like "Christ, it's nowhere near that bad" so it never bothered me.
I thought Tarkin looked great, but Leia seemed off to me.
The whole movie was worth it just for Red an Gold leaders.
I endorse this post.
My wife has probably only watched A New Hope all of the way through with me once, and so she did not remember that Luke was Red 5, so she shot me a weird look when I started chuckling as soon as they showed the original Red 5, since you knew immediately that guy was a goner.
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I've finally just seen it. Some mild SPOILERS below:
I loved it. The characters were a bit thin but I'm a guy who loves the shit out of Kelly's Heroes and the only characters I can even name from that movie are the titular Kelly and Oddball. And Don Rickles, who is playing Don Rickles.
What was I talking about? Oh yeah, Rogue One. It had what I wanted: a filthy, lived-in world. Periods of violence, punctuated by a robot or monk cracking wise. And a third act battle that goes down as maybe the finest combat sequence this series has ever put on screen.
I could have done without a couple of the extra video game contrivances thrown in the way of the heroes transmitting the plans (since we knew it was going to happen) but I can forgive just about anything of a movie that gives me a convincingly filmed scene featuring one Star Destroyer cleaving another in twain before absolutely WRECKING a planetary shield. If you were looking for something that gave a deeper insight into the SW universe, I can understand why you'd be disappointed. I wasn't, and I'm not.
Pretty much all of this. The last 30 minutes or so was especially fantastic.
My only minor disappointment was that the final Vader scene had been built up by so many people that it ended up being a little underwhelming for me. Probably just a product of expectations though.
Agreed on the Vader bit. It was good but what I'd just seen blew it away.
However that goes both ways, because while Tarkin's presence in the film was built up to be anything from a disappointment to a disaster, it didn't really bother me at all.
Yeah one review I had read before the movie said Tarkin's presence was so distracting it was like a "PS4 character standing in a room of real people" so when I actually saw him I was like "Christ, it's nowhere near that bad" so it never bothered me.
I thought Tarkin looked great, but Leia seemed off to me.
The whole movie was worth it just for Red an Gold leaders.
I endorse this post.
My wife has probably only watched A New Hope all of the way through with me once, and so she did not remember that Luke was Red 5, so she shot me a weird look when I started chuckling as soon as they showed the original Red 5, since you knew immediately that guy was a goner.
I DVR'd all the Star Wars movies when they were on TV a couple months ago, and decided to show it to my kid who is not even 2 yet assuming he'd be bored because it wasn't animated. Well, I was wrong. He's obsessed with it. He requests it every damn day. When the Star Wars logo comes on the screen he points and screams and kicks his legs. He waves goodbye to the words on the opening crawl. And he loves R2-D2. That's how he asks for the movie. He hands me the remote and and say "Artoo...Artoo!". So we've watched A New Hope basically every day for a couple months.
When Mrs. Butthead and I left the theater after seeing Rogue One I said something about Red 5 assuming she would be as excited as I was about it because we've watched the battle of Yavin a million times recently, but I got a blank stare back. I guess I didn't marry a nerd.
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I've finally just seen it. Some mild SPOILERS below:
I loved it. The characters were a bit thin but I'm a guy who loves the shit out of Kelly's Heroes and the only characters I can even name from that movie are the titular Kelly and Oddball. And Don Rickles, who is playing Don Rickles.
What was I talking about? Oh yeah, Rogue One. It had what I wanted: a filthy, lived-in world. Periods of violence, punctuated by a robot or monk cracking wise. And a third act battle that goes down as maybe the finest combat sequence this series has ever put on screen.
I could have done without a couple of the extra video game contrivances thrown in the way of the heroes transmitting the plans (since we knew it was going to happen) but I can forgive just about anything of a movie that gives me a convincingly filmed scene featuring one Star Destroyer cleaving another in twain before absolutely WRECKING a planetary shield. If you were looking for something that gave a deeper insight into the SW universe, I can understand why you'd be disappointed. I wasn't, and I'm not.
Pretty much all of this. The last 30 minutes or so was especially fantastic.
My only minor disappointment was that the final Vader scene had been built up by so many people that it ended up being a little underwhelming for me. Probably just a product of expectations though.
Agreed on the Vader bit. It was good but what I'd just seen blew it away.
However that goes both ways, because while Tarkin's presence in the film was built up to be anything from a disappointment to a disaster, it didn't really bother me at all.
Yeah one review I had read before the movie said Tarkin's presence was so distracting it was like a "PS4 character standing in a room of real people" so when I actually saw him I was like "Christ, it's nowhere near that bad" so it never bothered me.
I thought Tarkin looked great, but Leia seemed off to me.
The whole movie was worth it just for Red an Gold leaders.
I endorse this post.
My wife has probably only watched A New Hope all of the way through with me once, and so she did not remember that Luke was Red 5, so she shot me a weird look when I started chuckling as soon as they showed the original Red 5, since you knew immediately that guy was a goner.
I DVR'd all the Star Wars movies when they were on TV a couple months ago, and decided to show it to my kid who is not even 2 yet assuming he'd be bored because it wasn't animated. Well, I was wrong. He's obsessed with it. He requests it every damn day. When the Star Wars logo comes on the screen he points and screams and kicks his legs. He waves goodbye to the words on the opening crawl. And he loves R2-D2. That's how he asks for the movie. He hands me the remote and and say "Artoo...Artoo!". So we've watched A New Hope basically every day for a couple months.
When Mrs. Butthead and I left the theater after seeing Rogue One I said something about Red 5 assuming she would be as excited as I was about it because we've watched the battle of Yavin a million times recently, but I got a blank stare back. I guess I didn't marry a nerd.
Same. My son is only about 20 months old but he's already way into it. I'm sure knowing me people think I forced it on him, but no, from the moment that kid saw Darth Vader he fell in love. He walks around doing the breathing noise, playing with an R2 D2 I got him and saying BEEP BOOP, fighting with a lightsaber. I brought all of my old figures home from my folks house and he loves to play with them. We get home every day and he runs to the case and yells "SHABER" which is his way of saying I need to get the Darth Vader figure out and put his lightsaber in his hand.
When he freaks out in the car you can get him to calm down by playing the Imperial March.
It is all I could ever have hoped for as a dad.
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My wife has probably only watched A New Hope all of the way through with me once, and so she did not remember that Luke was Red 5, so she shot me a weird look when I started chuckling as soon as they showed the original Red 5, since you knew immediately that guy was a goner.
I DVR'd all the Star Wars movies when they were on TV a couple months ago, and decided to show it to my kid who is not even 2 yet assuming he'd be bored because it wasn't animated. Well, I was wrong. He's obsessed with it. He requests it every damn day. When the Star Wars logo comes on the screen he points and screams and kicks his legs. He waves goodbye to the words on the opening crawl. And he loves R2-D2. That's how he asks for the movie. He hands me the remote and and say "Artoo...Artoo!". So we've watched A New Hope basically every day for a couple months.
When Mrs. Butthead and I left the theater after seeing Rogue One I said something about Red 5 assuming she would be as excited as I was about it because we've watched the battle of Yavin a million times recently, but I got a blank stare back. I guess I didn't marry a nerd.
Same. My son is only about 20 months old but he's already way into it. I'm sure knowing me people think I forced it on him, but no, from the moment that kid saw Darth Vader he fell in love. He walks around doing the breathing noise, playing with an R2 D2 I got him and saying BEEP BOOP, fighting with a lightsaber. I brought all of my old figures home from my folks house and he loves to play with them. We get home every day and he runs to the case and yells "SHABER" which is his way of saying I need to get the Darth Vader figure out and put his lightsaber in his hand.
When he freaks out in the car you can get him to calm down by playing the Imperial March.
It is all I could ever have hoped for as a dad.
My mom has accused me of brainwashing her grandson because he watches Star Wars so much. I'm actually getting sick of watching it, but it's easier to play it again than it is to argue with him.
We do the same thing in the car... playing the soundtrack will calm him down pretty quickly.
Has he seen all the movies? I am trying to wait to show him Empire until he's old enough to understand the surprise ending so he gets the full impact of it, but that means watching ANH over and over and over for the foreseeable future.
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My wife has probably only watched A New Hope all of the way through with me once, and so she did not remember that Luke was Red 5, so she shot me a weird look when I started chuckling as soon as they showed the original Red 5, since you knew immediately that guy was a goner.
I DVR'd all the Star Wars movies when they were on TV a couple months ago, and decided to show it to my kid who is not even 2 yet assuming he'd be bored because it wasn't animated. Well, I was wrong. He's obsessed with it. He requests it every damn day. When the Star Wars logo comes on the screen he points and screams and kicks his legs. He waves goodbye to the words on the opening crawl. And he loves R2-D2. That's how he asks for the movie. He hands me the remote and and say "Artoo...Artoo!". So we've watched A New Hope basically every day for a couple months.
When Mrs. Butthead and I left the theater after seeing Rogue One I said something about Red 5 assuming she would be as excited as I was about it because we've watched the battle of Yavin a million times recently, but I got a blank stare back. I guess I didn't marry a nerd.
Same. My son is only about 20 months old but he's already way into it. I'm sure knowing me people think I forced it on him, but no, from the moment that kid saw Darth Vader he fell in love. He walks around doing the breathing noise, playing with an R2 D2 I got him and saying BEEP BOOP, fighting with a lightsaber. I brought all of my old figures home from my folks house and he loves to play with them. We get home every day and he runs to the case and yells "SHABER" which is his way of saying I need to get the Darth Vader figure out and put his lightsaber in his hand.
When he freaks out in the car you can get him to calm down by playing the Imperial March.
It is all I could ever have hoped for as a dad.
My mom has accused me of brainwashing her grandson because he watches Star Wars so much. I'm actually getting sick of watching it, but it's easier to play it again than it is to argue with him.
We do the same thing in the car... playing the soundtrack will calm him down pretty quickly.
Has he seen all the movies? I am trying to wait to show him Empire until he's old enough to understand the surprise ending so he gets the full impact of it, but that means watching ANH over and over and over for the foreseeable future.
He'll only pay attention for about 10-15 minutes at a time, tops, so we mostly just watch the lightsaber fights and really any time Darth Vader is doing something, but he likes watching Clone Wars.
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My wife has probably only watched A New Hope all of the way through with me once, and so she did not remember that Luke was Red 5, so she shot me a weird look when I started chuckling as soon as they showed the original Red 5, since you knew immediately that guy was a goner.
I DVR'd all the Star Wars movies when they were on TV a couple months ago, and decided to show it to my kid who is not even 2 yet assuming he'd be bored because it wasn't animated. Well, I was wrong. He's obsessed with it. He requests it every damn day. When the Star Wars logo comes on the screen he points and screams and kicks his legs. He waves goodbye to the words on the opening crawl. And he loves R2-D2. That's how he asks for the movie. He hands me the remote and and say "Artoo...Artoo!". So we've watched A New Hope basically every day for a couple months.
When Mrs. Butthead and I left the theater after seeing Rogue One I said something about Red 5 assuming she would be as excited as I was about it because we've watched the battle of Yavin a million times recently, but I got a blank stare back. I guess I didn't marry a nerd.
Same. My son is only about 20 months old but he's already way into it. I'm sure knowing me people think I forced it on him, but no, from the moment that kid saw Darth Vader he fell in love. He walks around doing the breathing noise, playing with an R2 D2 I got him and saying BEEP BOOP, fighting with a lightsaber. I brought all of my old figures home from my folks house and he loves to play with them. We get home every day and he runs to the case and yells "SHABER" which is his way of saying I need to get the Darth Vader figure out and put his lightsaber in his hand.
When he freaks out in the car you can get him to calm down by playing the Imperial March.
It is all I could ever have hoped for as a dad.
My mom has accused me of brainwashing her grandson because he watches Star Wars so much. I'm actually getting sick of watching it, but it's easier to play it again than it is to argue with him.
We do the same thing in the car... playing the soundtrack will calm him down pretty quickly.
Has he seen all the movies? I am trying to wait to show him Empire until he's old enough to understand the surprise ending so he gets the full impact of it, but that means watching ANH over and over and over for the foreseeable future.
He'll only pay attention for about 10-15 minutes at a time, tops, so we mostly just watch the lightsaber fights and really any time Darth Vader is doing something, but he likes watching Clone Wars.
My guy will sit there for a lot of the movie, if not the entire thing sometimes. Every once in a while I ask him if he actually understands what the hell is going on, and he just points at the TV and says "Artoo". I can't imagine he gets it, but he's happy so whatever.
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I DVR'd all the Star Wars movies when they were on TV a couple months ago, and decided to show it to my kid who is not even 2 yet assuming he'd be bored because it wasn't animated. Well, I was wrong. He's obsessed with it. He requests it every damn day. When the Star Wars logo comes on the screen he points and screams and kicks his legs. He waves goodbye to the words on the opening crawl. And he loves R2-D2. That's how he asks for the movie. He hands me the remote and and say "Artoo...Artoo!". So we've watched A New Hope basically every day for a couple months.
When Mrs. Butthead and I left the theater after seeing Rogue One I said something about Red 5 assuming she would be as excited as I was about it because we've watched the battle of Yavin a million times recently, but I got a blank stare back. I guess I didn't marry a nerd.
Same. My son is only about 20 months old but he's already way into it. I'm sure knowing me people think I forced it on him, but no, from the moment that kid saw Darth Vader he fell in love. He walks around doing the breathing noise, playing with an R2 D2 I got him and saying BEEP BOOP, fighting with a lightsaber. I brought all of my old figures home from my folks house and he loves to play with them. We get home every day and he runs to the case and yells "SHABER" which is his way of saying I need to get the Darth Vader figure out and put his lightsaber in his hand.
When he freaks out in the car you can get him to calm down by playing the Imperial March.
It is all I could ever have hoped for as a dad.
I guess I'm in the minority here, but I'm waiting until my kid is a bit older before we show him Star Wars. (In general, we try to limit his tv to about 45 minutes a week, and that's split up over the weekend.) I've been thinking we might watch the Clone Wars when he's 3 or 4, but I want him to be old enough to really follow along and understand the movies before he finds out the big reveal about Vader -- so, maybe when he's 6 or 7.
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I DVR'd all the Star Wars movies when they were on TV a couple months ago, and decided to show it to my kid who is not even 2 yet assuming he'd be bored because it wasn't animated. Well, I was wrong. He's obsessed with it. He requests it every damn day. When the Star Wars logo comes on the screen he points and screams and kicks his legs. He waves goodbye to the words on the opening crawl. And he loves R2-D2. That's how he asks for the movie. He hands me the remote and and say "Artoo...Artoo!". So we've watched A New Hope basically every day for a couple months.
When Mrs. Butthead and I left the theater after seeing Rogue One I said something about Red 5 assuming she would be as excited as I was about it because we've watched the battle of Yavin a million times recently, but I got a blank stare back. I guess I didn't marry a nerd.
Same. My son is only about 20 months old but he's already way into it. I'm sure knowing me people think I forced it on him, but no, from the moment that kid saw Darth Vader he fell in love. He walks around doing the breathing noise, playing with an R2 D2 I got him and saying BEEP BOOP, fighting with a lightsaber. I brought all of my old figures home from my folks house and he loves to play with them. We get home every day and he runs to the case and yells "SHABER" which is his way of saying I need to get the Darth Vader figure out and put his lightsaber in his hand.
When he freaks out in the car you can get him to calm down by playing the Imperial March.
It is all I could ever have hoped for as a dad.
I guess I'm in the minority here, but I'm waiting until my kid is a bit older before we show him Star Wars. (In general, we try to limit his tv to about 45 minutes a week, and that's split up over the weekend.) I've been thinking we might watch the Clone Wars when he's 3 or 4, but I want him to be old enough to really follow along and understand the movies before he finds out the big reveal about Vader -- so, maybe when he's 6 or 7.
I saw the big reveal when I was my son's age (four - seeing Empire was my earliest movie theater memory), but I'm neurotypical*, and my son is very much not. I'm really not sure he's fully taking in the plot of anything we watch (he usually runs around the room and only stops to watch occasionally), but I've been avoiding Empire in front of him for that reason. I've watched a New Hope, and a lot of Rebels and Clone Wars, and he loves seeing the action and hearing the music, but I don't think he knows any of the characters at all. I'm hoping once he reaches a point where it's clear he can follow the storyline, I can show him the movies for real.
*Mostly. I have my doubts sometimes about myself in that regard.
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I DVR'd all the Star Wars movies when they were on TV a couple months ago, and decided to show it to my kid who is not even 2 yet assuming he'd be bored because it wasn't animated. Well, I was wrong. He's obsessed with it. He requests it every damn day. When the Star Wars logo comes on the screen he points and screams and kicks his legs. He waves goodbye to the words on the opening crawl. And he loves R2-D2. That's how he asks for the movie. He hands me the remote and and say "Artoo...Artoo!". So we've watched A New Hope basically every day for a couple months.
When Mrs. Butthead and I left the theater after seeing Rogue One I said something about Red 5 assuming she would be as excited as I was about it because we've watched the battle of Yavin a million times recently, but I got a blank stare back. I guess I didn't marry a nerd.
Same. My son is only about 20 months old but he's already way into it. I'm sure knowing me people think I forced it on him, but no, from the moment that kid saw Darth Vader he fell in love. He walks around doing the breathing noise, playing with an R2 D2 I got him and saying BEEP BOOP, fighting with a lightsaber. I brought all of my old figures home from my folks house and he loves to play with them. We get home every day and he runs to the case and yells "SHABER" which is his way of saying I need to get the Darth Vader figure out and put his lightsaber in his hand.
When he freaks out in the car you can get him to calm down by playing the Imperial March.
It is all I could ever have hoped for as a dad.
I guess I'm in the minority here, but I'm waiting until my kid is a bit older before we show him Star Wars. (In general, we try to limit his tv to about 45 minutes a week, and that's split up over the weekend.) I've been thinking we might watch the Clone Wars when he's 3 or 4, but I want him to be old enough to really follow along and understand the movies before he finds out the big reveal about Vader -- so, maybe when he's 6 or 7.
I saw the big reveal when I was my son's age (four - seeing Empire was my earliest movie theater memory), but I'm neurotypical*, and my son is very much not. I'm really not sure he's fully taking in the plot of anything we watch (he usually runs around the room and only stops to watch occasionally), but I've been avoiding Empire in front of him for that reason. I've watched a New Hope, and a lot of Rebels and Clone Wars, and he loves seeing the action and hearing the music, but I don't think he knows any of the characters at all. I'm hoping once he reaches a point where it's clear he can follow the storyline, I can show him the movies for real.
*Mostly. I have my doubts sometimes about myself in that regard.
I just remember being in either kindergarten or the first grade, and watching A New Hope at my best friend's house. I thought it was amazing, and mesmerizing, but I had no fucking clue what was going on. Then again, he's definitely smarter than I was at his age, so maybe by 4 or 5 he'll be able to follow along. But at this point, he's never watched a movie and I don't think he'd be able to handle one.
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I DVR'd all the Star Wars movies when they were on TV a couple months ago, and decided to show it to my kid who is not even 2 yet assuming he'd be bored because it wasn't animated. Well, I was wrong. He's obsessed with it. He requests it every damn day. When the Star Wars logo comes on the screen he points and screams and kicks his legs. He waves goodbye to the words on the opening crawl. And he loves R2-D2. That's how he asks for the movie. He hands me the remote and and say "Artoo...Artoo!". So we've watched A New Hope basically every day for a couple months.
When Mrs. Butthead and I left the theater after seeing Rogue One I said something about Red 5 assuming she would be as excited as I was about it because we've watched the battle of Yavin a million times recently, but I got a blank stare back. I guess I didn't marry a nerd.
Same. My son is only about 20 months old but he's already way into it. I'm sure knowing me people think I forced it on him, but no, from the moment that kid saw Darth Vader he fell in love. He walks around doing the breathing noise, playing with an R2 D2 I got him and saying BEEP BOOP, fighting with a lightsaber. I brought all of my old figures home from my folks house and he loves to play with them. We get home every day and he runs to the case and yells "SHABER" which is his way of saying I need to get the Darth Vader figure out and put his lightsaber in his hand.
When he freaks out in the car you can get him to calm down by playing the Imperial March.
It is all I could ever have hoped for as a dad.
I guess I'm in the minority here, but I'm waiting until my kid is a bit older before we show him Star Wars. (In general, we try to limit his tv to about 45 minutes a week, and that's split up over the weekend.) I've been thinking we might watch the Clone Wars when he's 3 or 4, but I want him to be old enough to really follow along and understand the movies before he finds out the big reveal about Vader -- so, maybe when he's 6 or 7.
I saw the big reveal when I was my son's age (four - seeing Empire was my earliest movie theater memory), but I'm neurotypical*, and my son is very much not. I'm really not sure he's fully taking in the plot of anything we watch (he usually runs around the room and only stops to watch occasionally), but I've been avoiding Empire in front of him for that reason. I've watched a New Hope, and a lot of Rebels and Clone Wars, and he loves seeing the action and hearing the music, but I don't think he knows any of the characters at all. I'm hoping once he reaches a point where it's clear he can follow the storyline, I can show him the movies for real.
*Mostly. I have my doubts sometimes about myself in that regard.
I just remember being in either kindergarten or the first grade, and watching A New Hope at my best friend's house. I thought it was amazing, and mesmerizing, but I had no fucking clue what was going on. Then again, he's definitely smarter than I was at his age, so maybe by 4 or 5 he'll be able to follow along. But at this point, he's never watched a movie and I don't think he'd be able to handle one.
I know there is no way he gets what's going on. He just like Artoo and the Jawas and the spaceships. Hell... he says "daddy!" when Obi-Wan first appears, which makes me feel great about the gray hair in my beard. So there is no way he would understand the Vader surprise. My wife thinks I'm crazy for thinking I could possibly ruim it for him this young, but I still refuse to put Empire on if he's in the room.
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Quote from: Tony on January 13, 2017, 10:40:12 AM
I DVR'd all the Star Wars movies when they were on TV a couple months ago, and decided to show it to my kid who is not even 2 yet assuming he'd be bored because it wasn't animated. Well, I was wrong. He's obsessed with it. He requests it every damn day. When the Star Wars logo comes on the screen he points and screams and kicks his legs. He waves goodbye to the words on the opening crawl. And he loves R2-D2. That's how he asks for the movie. He hands me the remote and and say "Artoo...Artoo!". So we've watched A New Hope basically every day for a couple months.
When Mrs. Butthead and I left the theater after seeing Rogue One I said something about Red 5 assuming she would be as excited as I was about it because we've watched the battle of Yavin a million times recently, but I got a blank stare back. I guess I didn't marry a nerd.
Same. My son is only about 20 months old but he's already way into it. I'm sure knowing me people think I forced it on him, but no, from the moment that kid saw Darth Vader he fell in love. He walks around doing the breathing noise, playing with an R2 D2 I got him and saying BEEP BOOP, fighting with a lightsaber. I brought all of my old figures home from my folks house and he loves to play with them. We get home every day and he runs to the case and yells "SHABER" which is his way of saying I need to get the Darth Vader figure out and put his lightsaber in his hand.
When he freaks out in the car you can get him to calm down by playing the Imperial March.
It is all I could ever have hoped for as a dad.
I guess I'm in the minority here, but I'm waiting until my kid is a bit older before we show him Star Wars. (In general, we try to limit his tv to about 45 minutes a week, and that's split up over the weekend.) I've been thinking we might watch the Clone Wars when he's 3 or 4, but I want him to be old enough to really follow along and understand the movies before he finds out the big reveal about Vader -- so, maybe when he's 6 or 7.
I saw the big reveal when I was my son's age (four - seeing Empire was my earliest movie theater memory), but I'm neurotypical*, and my son is very much not. I'm really not sure he's fully taking in the plot of anything we watch (he usually runs around the room and only stops to watch occasionally), but I've been avoiding Empire in front of him for that reason. I've watched a New Hope, and a lot of Rebels and Clone Wars, and he loves seeing the action and hearing the music, but I don't think he knows any of the characters at all. I'm hoping once he reaches a point where it's clear he can follow the storyline, I can show him the movies for real.
*Mostly. I have my doubts sometimes about myself in that regard.
I just remember being in either kindergarten or the first grade, and watching A New Hope at my best friend's house. I thought it was amazing, and mesmerizing, but I had no fucking clue what was going on. Then again, he's definitely smarter than I was at his age, so maybe by 4 or 5 he'll be able to follow along. But at this point, he's never watched a movie and I don't think he'd be able to handle one.
I know there is no way he gets what's going on. He just like Artoo and the Jawas and the spaceships. Hell... he says "daddy!" when Obi-Wan first appears, which makes me feel great about the gray hair in my beard. So there is no way he would understand the Vader surprise. My wife thinks I'm crazy for thinking I could possibly ruim it for him this young, but I still refuse to put Empire on if he's in the room.
Take it from the "Been through that" side, you have to show it as soon as you think he's ready because "Luke, I am your father" is something he's going to hear. We did Machette (sans Phantom) with Little Girl Murton about 15 months ago. She loved them, but she knew what was coming.
She now sleeps with a plush Chewie that growls. She's gotten to the point where we had IV-Despecialized on a few weeks ago, Chewie growled, and she said, "Hey! That's the growl my Chewie makes!" Chip off the old block.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 17, 2017, 09:26:21 AM
Take it from the "Been through that" side, you have to show it as soon as you think he's ready because "Luke, I am your father" is something he's going to hear. We did Machette (sans Phantom) with Little Girl Murton about 15 months ago. She loved them, but she knew what was coming.
She now sleeps with a plush Chewie that growls. She's gotten to the point where we had IV-Despecialized on a few weeks ago, Chewie growled, and she said, "Hey! That's the growl my Chewie makes!" Chip off the old block.
We're going to basically do Machete for sure, although I won't cut out Episode I. Rogue One kind of puts a kink in things, though -- I don't think I'd want him to see it before A New Hope. I think, logically, Rogue One doesn't get inserted until the first rewatch.
Quote from: Canadouche on January 17, 2017, 07:55:54 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 17, 2017, 09:26:21 AM
Take it from the "Been through that" side, you have to show it as soon as you think he's ready because "Luke, I am your father" is something he's going to hear. We did Machette (sans Phantom) with Little Girl Murton about 15 months ago. She loved them, but she knew what was coming.
She now sleeps with a plush Chewie that growls. She's gotten to the point where we had IV-Despecialized on a few weeks ago, Chewie growled, and she said, "Hey! That's the growl my Chewie makes!" Chip off the old block.
We're going to basically do Machete for sure, although I won't cut out Episode I. Rogue One kind of puts a kink in things, though -- I don't think I'd want him to see it before A New Hope. I think, logically, Rogue One doesn't get inserted until the first rewatch.
Added Phantom later. She turned it off. Bored. And she was a little bored by Rogue One until the third act. Do R1 on the back end.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 17, 2017, 08:08:34 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on January 17, 2017, 07:55:54 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 17, 2017, 09:26:21 AM
Take it from the "Been through that" side, you have to show it as soon as you think he's ready because "Luke, I am your father" is something he's going to hear. We did Machette (sans Phantom) with Little Girl Murton about 15 months ago. She loved them, but she knew what was coming.
She now sleeps with a plush Chewie that growls. She's gotten to the point where we had IV-Despecialized on a few weeks ago, Chewie growled, and she said, "Hey! That's the growl my Chewie makes!" Chip off the old block.
We're going to basically do Machete for sure, although I won't cut out Episode I. Rogue One kind of puts a kink in things, though -- I don't think I'd want him to see it before A New Hope. I think, logically, Rogue One doesn't get inserted until the first rewatch.
Added Phantom later. She turned it off. Bored. And she was a little bored by Rogue One until the third act. Do R1 on the back end.
Phantom Menace is boring as hell, and it's one of the reasons I hate the excuse "but little kids liked the prequels!" I loved Star Wars more than anything and saw Phantom Menace when I was 11 and I was bored as fuck until the very end. Attack of the Clones and Sith have a bit more action in them from the jump so I can see where kids might like them more but Phantom Menace is irredeemably bad for all ages and you should just skip it.
Show the kid Clone Wars, toss him the Revenge of the Sith novelization, move on.