Otani please.
Whatever makes Heyward an 18M/yr 4th outfielder. For the Cubs or someone else.
Re-sign Wade Davis. He's the best available option for closer.
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 22, 2017, 09:21:13 PM
Whatever makes Heyward an 18M/yr 4th outfielder. For the Cubs or someone else.
In 2019, his contract goes from $28mm to $20mm.
Why are we bothering with this? The Cubs window has closed, Viva El Birdos and the Ringer said so. Shut it down, boys.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 23, 2017, 08:38:28 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 22, 2017, 09:21:13 PM
Whatever makes Heyward an 18M/yr 4th outfielder. For the Cubs or someone else.
In 2019, his contract goes from $28mm to $20mm.
Love those falling prices!
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 23, 2017, 12:43:33 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 23, 2017, 08:38:28 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 22, 2017, 09:21:13 PM
Whatever makes Heyward an 18M/yr 4th outfielder. For the Cubs or someone else.
In 2019, his contract goes from $28mm to $20mm.
Love those falling prices!
I'd love for him to put up a 130 OPS+ next season and opt out.
And, as long as I'm asking, I'd also like the upcoming Powerball winning numbers.
Quote from: SKO on October 23, 2017, 09:15:21 AM
Why are we bothering with this? The Cubs window has closed, Viva El Birdos and the Ringer said so. Shut it down, boys.
It's true. The Cubs' failure to hit in five games is permanent. Kris Bryant will never be as good as Stephen Pisscotty and should retire immediately.
Sounds like Jim Hickey's hiring gets announced today or tomorrow.
He gets a pitching staff that needs to replace 40% of the rotation, and about half the bullpen.
Godspeed.
I'm hopeful that the Marlins do something dumb and it nets us Christian Yelich.
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 25, 2017, 10:23:59 AM
I'm hopeful that the Marlins do something dumb and it nets us Christian Yelich.
several people have suggested the Cubs might be able to trade Happ for Yelich if they also ate Wei-Yin Chen's contract. I'd probably be down with that.
Quote from: SKO on October 25, 2017, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 25, 2017, 10:23:59 AM
I'm hopeful that the Marlins do something dumb and it nets us Christian Yelich.
several people have suggested the Cubs might be able to trade Happ for Yelich if they also ate Wei-Yin Chen's contract. I'd probably be down with that.
I'd do that in a heartbeat. Then the Cubs can start shopping Almora in whatever bundle they are dangling to get a starting pitcher.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 25, 2017, 11:29:27 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 25, 2017, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 25, 2017, 10:23:59 AM
I'm hopeful that the Marlins do something dumb and it nets us Christian Yelich.
several people have suggested the Cubs might be able to trade Happ for Yelich if they also ate Wei-Yin Chen's contract. I'd probably be down with that.
I'd do that in a heartbeat. Then the Cubs can start shopping Almora in whatever bundle they are dangling to get a starting pitcher.
That'd be sweet.
Pretty excited for Chili Davis and Brian Butterfield Rd.
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 26, 2017, 12:58:01 PM
Pretty excited for Chili Davis and Brian Butterfield Rd.
Butterfield should wear #56
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Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 26, 2017, 12:58:01 PM
Pretty excited for Chili Davis and Brian Butterfield Rd.
Butterfield should wear #56
I favor this due to the fact that it implies no more Hector Rondon.
Jeets has been an owner for all of about five minutes but has wasted no time treating labor like shit. (https://www.fanragsports.com/heyman-perez-and-dawson-exit-marlins-after-low-ball-offers/)
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 28, 2017, 07:44:22 PM
Jeets has been an owner for all of about five minutes but has wasted no time treating labor like shit. (https://www.fanragsports.com/heyman-perez-and-dawson-exit-marlins-after-low-ball-offers/)
I hope he gave them gift bags after he fucked them.
Quote from: Shooter on October 29, 2017, 12:07:29 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 28, 2017, 07:44:22 PM
Jeets has been an owner for all of about five minutes but has wasted no time treating labor like shit. (https://www.fanragsports.com/heyman-perez-and-dawson-exit-marlins-after-low-ball-offers/)
I hope he gave them gift bags after he fucked them.
Time to bring the Hawk back home.
Now 3-time ex-Cub Dave Martinez is the new manager of the Nationals. It'll be interesting to see how Joe replaces him.
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 29, 2017, 10:53:06 AM
Now 3-time ex-Cub Dave Martinez is the new manager of the Nationals. It'll be interesting to see how Joe replaces him.
Corncob dresses for all the wives!
DPD
Along with keeping Wade Davis, I hope Jepstink are in on Brendan Morrow. He could be the two inning bridge guy they'll need once whoever next year's 5 is combusts and Monty finally gets moved to the rotation.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 01, 2017, 08:27:09 AM
DPD
Along with keeping Wade Davis, I hope Jepstink are in on Brendan Morrow. He could be the two inning bridge guy they'll need once whoever next year's 5 is combusts and Monty finally gets moved to the rotation.
Is that Brandon's brother?
The offseason starts tomorrow. This might be Theo's most active offseason yet.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 01, 2017, 07:38:52 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 01, 2017, 08:27:09 AM
DPD
Along with keeping Wade Davis, I hope Jepstink are in on Brendan Morrow. He could be the two inning bridge guy they'll need once whoever next year's 5 is combusts and Monty finally gets moved to the rotation.
Is that Brandon's brother?
The offseason starts tomorrow. This might be Theo's most active offseason yet.
I think he means Brenden, who isn't doing much these days.
Quote from: Brownie on November 01, 2017, 09:42:46 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 01, 2017, 07:38:52 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 01, 2017, 08:27:09 AM
DPD
Along with keeping Wade Davis, I hope Jepstink are in on Brendan Morrow. He could be the two inning bridge guy they'll need once whoever next year's 5 is combusts and Monty finally gets moved to the rotation.
Is that Brandon's brother?
The offseason starts tomorrow. This might be Theo's most active offseason yet.
I think he means Brenden, who isn't doing much these days.
I meant Kenny. I just watched "Miracle".
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 01, 2017, 10:02:51 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 01, 2017, 09:42:46 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 01, 2017, 07:38:52 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 01, 2017, 08:27:09 AM
DPD
Along with keeping Wade Davis, I hope Jepstink are in on Brendan Morrow. He could be the two inning bridge guy they'll need once whoever next year's 5 is combusts and Monty finally gets moved to the rotation.
Is that Brandon's brother?
The offseason starts tomorrow. This might be Theo's most active offseason yet.
I think he means Brenden, who isn't doing much these days.
I meant Kenny. I just watched "Miracle".
You sure it's not Vic Morrow? Oh. Too early?
Quote from: CBStew on November 01, 2017, 10:48:55 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 01, 2017, 10:02:51 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 01, 2017, 09:42:46 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 01, 2017, 07:38:52 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 01, 2017, 08:27:09 AM
DPD
Along with keeping Wade Davis, I hope Jepstink are in on Brendan Morrow. He could be the two inning bridge guy they'll need once whoever next year's 5 is combusts and Monty finally gets moved to the rotation.
Is that Brandon's brother?
The offseason starts tomorrow. This might be Theo's most active offseason yet.
I think he means Brenden, who isn't doing much these days.
I meant Kenny. I just watched "Miracle".
You sure it's not Vic Morrow? Oh. Too early?
Pretty sure abort meant Edward R Morrow
Quote from: thehawk on November 02, 2017, 09:48:23 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 01, 2017, 10:48:55 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 01, 2017, 10:02:51 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 01, 2017, 09:42:46 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 01, 2017, 07:38:52 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 01, 2017, 08:27:09 AM
DPD
Along with keeping Wade Davis, I hope Jepstink are in on Brendan Morrow. He could be the two inning bridge guy they'll need once whoever next year's 5 is combusts and Monty finally gets moved to the rotation.
Is that Brandon's brother?
The offseason starts tomorrow. This might be Theo's most active offseason yet.
I think he means Brenden, who isn't doing much these days.
I meant Kenny. I just watched "Miracle".
You sure it's not Vic Morrow? Oh. Too early?
Pretty sure abort meant Edward R Morrow
Mary Tyler Morrow
I wonder how Tony La Russa will handle Boston's labyrinthine roads after a dozen or so at Cask 'n Flagon.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/tony-la-russa-to-join-red-sox-organization.html (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/tony-la-russa-to-join-red-sox-organization.html)
The only free agent I'm super keen on the Cubs acquiring is the Hawk.
Anyone interested in Hoystein righting the wrong that was the Anthony Rizzo trade and signing Ca$hner for #3-#5?
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on November 02, 2017, 11:14:14 AM
Anyone interested in Hoystein righting the wrong that was the Anthony Rizzo trade and signing Ca$hner for #3-#5?
No. Injury prone, his ERA was way below his FIP, his K rate has absolutely fucking plummeted. 4.6 K/9 in this era? No fucking way he's posting an ERA under 4.00 again if he can't figure out a way to start missing bats again.
Quote from: SKO on November 02, 2017, 11:20:01 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on November 02, 2017, 11:14:14 AM
Anyone interested in Hoystein righting the wrong that was the Anthony Rizzo trade and signing Ca$hner for #3-#5?
No. Injury prone, his ERA was way below his FIP, his K rate has absolutely fucking plummeted. 4.6 K/9 in this era? No fucking way he's posting an ERA under 4.00 again if he can't figure out a way to start missing bats again.
For the bullpen, I might be interested. As a starter, no thanks.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on November 02, 2017, 11:14:14 AM
Anyone interested in Hoystein righting the wrong that was the Anthony Rizzo trade and signing Ca$hner for #3-#5?
I'd rather they take a chance on Alex Cobb. Although I'd also do a happy dance if I see a trade for one of the two better Rays starters out there.
Quote from: Oleg on November 02, 2017, 01:25:30 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on November 02, 2017, 11:14:14 AM
Anyone interested in Hoystein righting the wrong that was the Anthony Rizzo trade and signing Ca$hner for #3-#5?
I'd rather they take a chance on Alex Cobb. Although I'd also do a happy dance if I see a trade for one of the two better Rays starters out there.
The Cobb signing would make a lot of sense
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on November 02, 2017, 11:14:14 AM
Anyone interested in Hoystein righting the wrong that was the Anthony Rizzo trade and signing Ca$hner for #3-#5?
Just put Montgomery in the rotation, since he'd be there during Cashner's DL stints anyway.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 02, 2017, 02:09:57 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on November 02, 2017, 11:14:14 AM
Anyone interested in Hoystein righting the wrong that was the Anthony Rizzo trade and signing Ca$hner for #3-#5?
Just put Montgomery in the rotation, since he'd be there during Cashner's DL stints anyway.
Not going to argue about Cashner's metrics, but I will say the idea of him being injury-prone might be more meme than fact. He's averaged over 150 IP over the last 5 seasons. In two of those seasons--2014 & 2016 when he threw 123 1/3 & 132 innings, respectively-- I'm guessing he was sidelined for a few weeks with an injury but I don't know that 2 DL stints in 5 years marks a guy as injury-prone. I mean Kyle Hendricks, Jake Arrieta and even Jon Lester lost a month of baseball this year.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on November 02, 2017, 02:20:04 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 02, 2017, 02:09:57 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on November 02, 2017, 11:14:14 AM
Anyone interested in Hoystein righting the wrong that was the Anthony Rizzo trade and signing Ca$hner for #3-#5?
Just put Montgomery in the rotation, since he'd be there during Cashner's DL stints anyway.
Not going to argue about Cashner's metrics, but I will say the idea of him being injury-prone might be more meme than fact. He's averaged over 150 IP over the last 5 seasons. In two of those seasons--2014 & 2016 when he threw 123 1/3 & 132 innings, respectively-- I'm guessing he was sidelined for a few weeks with an injury but I don't know that 2 DL stints in 5 years marks a guy as injury-prone. I mean Kyle Hendricks, Jake Arrieta and even Jon Lester lost a month of baseball this year.
That's fair, but his velocity is way down from his peak and he can't strike anybody out, and he doesn't get anywhere near as many groundballs as a dude that strikes out that number of people should get. To be honest I can't see him being an effective reliever either unless it really ups his velocity. He reminds me of when Mat Latos had that hot start for the White Sox last year that was just luck, only his luck ran out in May and Cashner's seems to have made it all year.
Crazy Rumor Guys predict Darvish to the Cubs and the bullpen getting Reed and McGee. (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/2017-18-top-50-mlb-free-agents-with-predictions.html) I wouldn't hate that, assuming they can add another controllable starter.
And, Arrieta to the Brewers.
Quote from: Oleg on November 02, 2017, 03:02:37 PM
Crazy Rumor Guys predict Darvish to the Cubs and the bullpen getting Reed and McGee. (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/2017-18-top-50-mlb-free-agents-with-predictions.html) I wouldn't hate that, assuming they can add another controllable starter.
And, Arrieta to the Brewers.
Where the fuck are the Brewers going to come up with that much money?
And looking at those numbers, Cobb is a better pickup for the Cubs than Darvish.
Quote from: Oleg on November 02, 2017, 03:02:37 PM
Crazy Rumor Guys predict Darvish to the Cubs and the bullpen getting Reed and McGee. (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/2017-18-top-50-mlb-free-agents-with-predictions.html) I wouldn't hate that, assuming they can add another controllable starter.
And, Arrieta to the Brewers.
I'd rather have Jake at 4/100 than Darvish at 6/165.
Quote from: SKO on November 02, 2017, 02:27:06 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on November 02, 2017, 02:20:04 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 02, 2017, 02:09:57 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on November 02, 2017, 11:14:14 AM
Anyone interested in Hoystein righting the wrong that was the Anthony Rizzo trade and signing Ca$hner for #3-#5?
Just put Montgomery in the rotation, since he'd be there during Cashner's DL stints anyway.
Not going to argue about Cashner's metrics, but I will say the idea of him being injury-prone might be more meme than fact. He's averaged over 150 IP over the last 5 seasons. In two of those seasons--2014 & 2016 when he threw 123 1/3 & 132 innings, respectively-- I'm guessing he was sidelined for a few weeks with an injury but I don't know that 2 DL stints in 5 years marks a guy as injury-prone. I mean Kyle Hendricks, Jake Arrieta and even Jon Lester lost a month of baseball this year.
That's fair, but his velocity is way down from his peak and he can't strike anybody out, and he doesn't get anywhere near as many groundballs as a dude that strikes out that number of people should get. To be honest I can't see him being an effective reliever either unless it really ups his velocity. He reminds me of when Mat Latos had that hot start for the White Sox last year that was just luck, only his luck ran out in May and Cashner's seems to have made it all year.
I think his velocity would likely tick up if he was working exclusively out of the bullpen.
WHO WILL BE THE NEW BENCH COACH! I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY RUMORS ABOUT THIS!!!!
Quote from: Hoyas on November 02, 2017, 04:48:51 PM
Quote from: Oleg on November 02, 2017, 03:02:37 PM
Crazy Rumor Guys predict Darvish to the Cubs and the bullpen getting Reed and McGee. (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/2017-18-top-50-mlb-free-agents-with-predictions.html) I wouldn't hate that, assuming they can add another controllable starter.
And, Arrieta to the Brewers.
I'd rather have Jake at 4/100 than Darvish at 6/165.
I'd be very, very surprised to see Jake settle for four years. I reckon the absolute minimum is five and with his fitness levels, he might even get six. I'd also be very, very surprised to see him go to the Brewers, because... well, the Brewers.
Darvish, Reed and McGee would do me nicely:
Lester
QSM
Q
Darvish
Tseng
Maples
Hector
Wilson
Pedro
Tits
CJ
Monty
Reed
... wouldn't be awful.
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2017, 03:04:25 AM
Quote from: Hoyas on November 02, 2017, 04:48:51 PM
Quote from: Oleg on November 02, 2017, 03:02:37 PM
Crazy Rumor Guys predict Darvish to the Cubs and the bullpen getting Reed and McGee. (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/2017-18-top-50-mlb-free-agents-with-predictions.html) I wouldn't hate that, assuming they can add another controllable starter.
And, Arrieta to the Brewers.
I'd rather have Jake at 4/100 than Darvish at 6/165.
I'd be very, very surprised to see Jake settle for four years. I reckon the absolute minimum is five and with his fitness levels, he might even get six. I'd also be very, very surprised to see him go to the Brewers, because... well, the Brewers.
Darvish, Reed and McGee would do me nicely:
Lester
QSM
Q
Darvish
Tseng
Maples
Hector
Wilson
Pedro
Tits
CJ
Monty
Reed
... wouldn't be awful.
I'd be pretty surprised if Tseng locked down a rotation spot at the start of this year. I still feel like if they go in-house for one of the starters it is more likely to be Montgomery than anything, and then they'd just spend more money to bolster the pen.
Quote from: SKO on November 07, 2017, 08:11:45 AM
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2017, 03:04:25 AM
Quote from: Hoyas on November 02, 2017, 04:48:51 PM
Quote from: Oleg on November 02, 2017, 03:02:37 PM
Crazy Rumor Guys predict Darvish to the Cubs and the bullpen getting Reed and McGee. (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/2017-18-top-50-mlb-free-agents-with-predictions.html) I wouldn't hate that, assuming they can add another controllable starter.
And, Arrieta to the Brewers.
I'd rather have Jake at 4/100 than Darvish at 6/165.
I'd be very, very surprised to see Jake settle for four years. I reckon the absolute minimum is five and with his fitness levels, he might even get six. I'd also be very, very surprised to see him go to the Brewers, because... well, the Brewers.
Darvish, Reed and McGee would do me nicely:
Lester
QSM
Q
Darvish
Tseng
Maples
Hector
Wilson
Pedro
Tits
CJ
Monty
Reed
... wouldn't be awful.
I'd be pretty surprised if Tseng locked down a rotation spot at the start of this year. I still feel like if they go in-house for one of the starters it is more likely to be Montgomery than anything, and then they'd just spend more money to bolster the pen.
Yeah, I originally had Monty in the rotation, and then thought... fuck it, it's dreamland, I can do what I like.
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2017, 08:19:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 07, 2017, 08:11:45 AM
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2017, 03:04:25 AM
Quote from: Hoyas on November 02, 2017, 04:48:51 PM
Quote from: Oleg on November 02, 2017, 03:02:37 PM
Crazy Rumor Guys predict Darvish to the Cubs and the bullpen getting Reed and McGee. (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/2017-18-top-50-mlb-free-agents-with-predictions.html) I wouldn't hate that, assuming they can add another controllable starter.
And, Arrieta to the Brewers.
I'd rather have Jake at 4/100 than Darvish at 6/165.
I'd be very, very surprised to see Jake settle for four years. I reckon the absolute minimum is five and with his fitness levels, he might even get six. I'd also be very, very surprised to see him go to the Brewers, because... well, the Brewers.
Darvish, Reed and McGee would do me nicely:
Lester
QSM
Q
Darvish
Tseng
Maples
Hector
Wilson
Pedro
Tits
CJ
Monty
Reed
... wouldn't be awful.
I'd be pretty surprised if Tseng locked down a rotation spot at the start of this year. I still feel like if they go in-house for one of the starters it is more likely to be Montgomery than anything, and then they'd just spend more money to bolster the pen.
Yeah, I originally had Monty in the rotation, and then thought... fuck it, it's dreamland, I can do what I like.
so in a world where you dared to dream big you landed on Jen Ho-Tseng as the Cubs 5th starter
Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 06, 2017, 04:14:44 PM
WHO WILL BE THE NEW BENCH COACH! I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY RUMORS ABOUT THIS!!!!
We don't even know who owns the Cubs yet, and you're worried about the bench coach?
Quote from: SKO on November 07, 2017, 08:31:51 AM
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2017, 08:19:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 07, 2017, 08:11:45 AM
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2017, 03:04:25 AM
Quote from: Hoyas on November 02, 2017, 04:48:51 PM
Quote from: Oleg on November 02, 2017, 03:02:37 PM
Crazy Rumor Guys predict Darvish to the Cubs and the bullpen getting Reed and McGee. (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/2017-18-top-50-mlb-free-agents-with-predictions.html) I wouldn't hate that, assuming they can add another controllable starter.
And, Arrieta to the Brewers.
I'd rather have Jake at 4/100 than Darvish at 6/165.
I'd be very, very surprised to see Jake settle for four years. I reckon the absolute minimum is five and with his fitness levels, he might even get six. I'd also be very, very surprised to see him go to the Brewers, because... well, the Brewers.
Darvish, Reed and McGee would do me nicely:
Lester
QSM
Q
Darvish
Tseng
Maples
Hector
Wilson
Pedro
Tits
CJ
Monty
Reed
... wouldn't be awful.
I'd be pretty surprised if Tseng locked down a rotation spot at the start of this year. I still feel like if they go in-house for one of the starters it is more likely to be Montgomery than anything, and then they'd just spend more money to bolster the pen.
Yeah, I originally had Monty in the rotation, and then thought... fuck it, it's dreamland, I can do what I like.
so in a world where you dared to dream big you landed on Jen Ho-Tseng as the Cubs 5th starter
Yes. I'm British. If I dream too big, I have to slam my dick in a drawer and then apologise to everybody.
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2017, 10:28:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 07, 2017, 08:31:51 AM
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2017, 08:19:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 07, 2017, 08:11:45 AM
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2017, 03:04:25 AM
Quote from: Hoyas on November 02, 2017, 04:48:51 PM
Quote from: Oleg on November 02, 2017, 03:02:37 PM
Crazy Rumor Guys predict Darvish to the Cubs and the bullpen getting Reed and McGee. (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/2017-18-top-50-mlb-free-agents-with-predictions.html) I wouldn't hate that, assuming they can add another controllable starter.
And, Arrieta to the Brewers.
I'd rather have Jake at 4/100 than Darvish at 6/165.
I'd be very, very surprised to see Jake settle for four years. I reckon the absolute minimum is five and with his fitness levels, he might even get six. I'd also be very, very surprised to see him go to the Brewers, because... well, the Brewers.
Darvish, Reed and McGee would do me nicely:
Lester
QSM
Q
Darvish
Tseng
Maples
Hector
Wilson
Pedro
Tits
CJ
Monty
Reed
... wouldn't be awful.
I'd be pretty surprised if Tseng locked down a rotation spot at the start of this year. I still feel like if they go in-house for one of the starters it is more likely to be Montgomery than anything, and then they'd just spend more money to bolster the pen.
Yeah, I originally had Monty in the rotation, and then thought... fuck it, it's dreamland, I can do what I like.
so in a world where you dared to dream big you landed on Jen Ho-Tseng as the Cubs 5th starter
Yes. I'm British. If I dream too big, I have to slam my dick in a drawer and then apologise to everybody.
Which is also the only way an Eton graduate can get aroused.
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2017, 11:43:08 AM
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2017, 10:28:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 07, 2017, 08:31:51 AM
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2017, 08:19:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 07, 2017, 08:11:45 AM
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2017, 03:04:25 AM
Quote from: Hoyas on November 02, 2017, 04:48:51 PM
Quote from: Oleg on November 02, 2017, 03:02:37 PM
Crazy Rumor Guys predict Darvish to the Cubs and the bullpen getting Reed and McGee. (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/2017-18-top-50-mlb-free-agents-with-predictions.html) I wouldn't hate that, assuming they can add another controllable starter.
And, Arrieta to the Brewers.
I'd rather have Jake at 4/100 than Darvish at 6/165.
I'd be very, very surprised to see Jake settle for four years. I reckon the absolute minimum is five and with his fitness levels, he might even get six. I'd also be very, very surprised to see him go to the Brewers, because... well, the Brewers.
Darvish, Reed and McGee would do me nicely:
Lester
QSM
Q
Darvish
Tseng
Maples
Hector
Wilson
Pedro
Tits
CJ
Monty
Reed
... wouldn't be awful.
I'd be pretty surprised if Tseng locked down a rotation spot at the start of this year. I still feel like if they go in-house for one of the starters it is more likely to be Montgomery than anything, and then they'd just spend more money to bolster the pen.
Yeah, I originally had Monty in the rotation, and then thought... fuck it, it's dreamland, I can do what I like.
so in a world where you dared to dream big you landed on Jen Ho-Tseng as the Cubs 5th starter
Yes. I'm British. If I dream too big, I have to slam my dick in a drawer and then apologise to everybody.
Which is also the only way an Eton graduate can get aroused.
Hello, hooray, I prefer the plague...
Quote from: SKO on November 07, 2017, 08:31:51 AM
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2017, 08:19:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 07, 2017, 08:11:45 AM
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2017, 03:04:25 AM
Quote from: Hoyas on November 02, 2017, 04:48:51 PM
Quote from: Oleg on November 02, 2017, 03:02:37 PM
Crazy Rumor Guys predict Darvish to the Cubs and the bullpen getting Reed and McGee. (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/2017-18-top-50-mlb-free-agents-with-predictions.html) I wouldn't hate that, assuming they can add another controllable starter.
And, Arrieta to the Brewers.
I'd rather have Jake at 4/100 than Darvish at 6/165.
I'd be very, very surprised to see Jake settle for four years. I reckon the absolute minimum is five and with his fitness levels, he might even get six. I'd also be very, very surprised to see him go to the Brewers, because... well, the Brewers.
Darvish, Reed and McGee would do me nicely:
Lester
QSM
Q
Darvish
Tseng
Maples
Hector
Wilson
Pedro
Tits
CJ
Monty
Reed
... wouldn't be awful.
I'd be pretty surprised if Tseng locked down a rotation spot at the start of this year. I still feel like if they go in-house for one of the starters it is more likely to be Montgomery than anything, and then they'd just spend more money to bolster the pen.
Yeah, I originally had Monty in the rotation, and then thought... fuck it, it's dreamland, I can do what I like.
so in a world where you dared to dream big you landed on Jen Ho-Tseng as the Cubs 5th starter
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Phil Rogers with a Faustian +1 (https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/927982893959471104).
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Phil Rogers with a Faustian +1 (https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/927982893959471104).
Basically 40 million to two mediocre pitchers through 2020? Shit. Heyward is that bad, huh?
Brandon Hyde promoted to Bench Coach.
In other words, David Ross said no.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 09, 2017, 10:15:53 AM
Brandon Hyde promoted to Bench Coach.
In other words, David Ross said no.
I doubt it was actually ever offered to him. He's not ready.
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Brandon Hyde promoted to Bench Coach.
In other words, David Ross said no.
I doubt it was actually ever offered to him. He's not ready.
Rosenthal said it was because the Mets offered Hyde their bench coach job and the Cubs didn't wanna lose him. But Fork gonna Fork.
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Brandon Hyde promoted to Bench Coach.
In other words, David Ross said no.
I doubt it was actually ever offered to him. He's not ready.
Rosenthal said it was because the Mets offered Hyde their bench coach job and the Cubs didn't wanna lose him. But Fork gonna Fork.
Purely objectively, I think I'd rather be the Cubs' first base coach than the dumpster fire Mets' bench coach. Sorry if this offends
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Brandon Hyde promoted to Bench Coach.
In other words, David Ross said no.
I doubt it was actually ever offered to him. He's not ready.
Rosenthal said it was because the Mets offered Hyde their bench coach job and the Cubs didn't wanna lose him. But Fork gonna Fork.
Purely objectively, I think I'd rather be the Cubs' first base coach than the dumpster fire Mets' bench coach. Sorry if this offends
Understandable but bench coach is obviously a raise and the traditional last step before becoming a managerial candidate.
Seriously though ... first base coach might be an appropriate start for Ross, if he wants to leave the side hustles behind and start coaching. Think of all the little pep talks he would give each batter who reached first. It'd be adorable. He and Anthony Rizzo would probably fully embrace for a solid ten seconds after each HBP.
Normally I'd want a new coach to start in the minors but I think Ross is a special case. He's more valuable to the big league club and it would make an easier transition for him.
With that said, I hear Ryne Sandberg is available.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 09, 2017, 12:20:39 PM
Seriously though ... first base coach might be an appropriate start for Ross, if he wants to leave the side hustles behind and start coaching. Think of all the little pep talks he would give each batter who reached first. It'd be adorable. He and Anthony Rizzo would probably fully embrace for a solid ten seconds after each HBP.
Normally I'd want a new coach to start in the minors but I think Ross is a special case. He's more valuable to the big league club and it would make an easier transition for him.
With that said, I hear Ryne Sandberg is available.
Ross' familiarity and credibility with the current roster would make it reasonable to jump the usual career path. But truth is, he's probably stacking more ched and definitely getting more family time doing what he's doing.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 09, 2017, 12:20:39 PM
Seriously though ... first base coach might be an appropriate start for Ross, if he wants to leave the side hustles behind and start coaching. Think of all the little pep talks he would give each batter who reached first. It'd be adorable. He and Anthony Rizzo would probably fully embrace for a solid ten seconds after each HBP.
Normally I'd want a new coach to start in the minors but I think Ross is a special case. He's more valuable to the big league club and it would make an easier transition for him.
With that said, I hear Ryne Sandberg is available.
I wonder if Ryno still wants the 4 months of travel. Just bought a big house in Gurnee. Grandkids all around.
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 09, 2017, 12:20:39 PM
Seriously though ... first base coach might be an appropriate start for Ross, if he wants to leave the side hustles behind and start coaching. Think of all the little pep talks he would give each batter who reached first. It'd be adorable. He and Anthony Rizzo would probably fully embrace for a solid ten seconds after each HBP.
Normally I'd want a new coach to start in the minors but I think Ross is a special case. He's more valuable to the big league club and it would make an easier transition for him.
With that said, I hear Ryne Sandberg is available.
I wonder if Ryno still wants the 4 months of travel. Just bought a big house in Gurnee. Grandkids all around.
Wonder if the grandkids have to move to Washington.
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 09, 2017, 12:20:39 PM
Seriously though ... first base coach might be an appropriate start for Ross, if he wants to leave the side hustles behind and start coaching. Think of all the little pep talks he would give each batter who reached first. It'd be adorable. He and Anthony Rizzo would probably fully embrace for a solid ten seconds after each HBP.
Normally I'd want a new coach to start in the minors but I think Ross is a special case. He's more valuable to the big league club and it would make an easier transition for him.
With that said, I hear Ryne Sandberg is available.
I wonder if Ryno still wants the 4 months of travel. Just bought a big house in Gurnee. Grandkids all around.
I thought he was in lake bluff
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 09, 2017, 12:20:39 PM
Seriously though ... first base coach might be an appropriate start for Ross, if he wants to leave the side hustles behind and start coaching. Think of all the little pep talks he would give each batter who reached first. It'd be adorable. He and Anthony Rizzo would probably fully embrace for a solid ten seconds after each HBP.
Normally I'd want a new coach to start in the minors but I think Ross is a special case. He's more valuable to the big league club and it would make an easier transition for him.
With that said, I hear Ryne Sandberg is available.
I wonder if Ryno still wants the 4 months of travel. Just bought a big house in Gurnee. Grandkids all around.
I thought he was in lake bluff
I sit corrected. Lake Bluff. (https://chicago.curbed.com/2016/4/5/11369820/chicago-cubs-ryne-sandberg-lake-bluff-chicago-home)
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 09, 2017, 12:20:39 PM
Seriously though ... first base coach might be an appropriate start for Ross, if he wants to leave the side hustles behind and start coaching. Think of all the little pep talks he would give each batter who reached first. It'd be adorable. He and Anthony Rizzo would probably fully embrace for a solid ten seconds after each HBP.
Normally I'd want a new coach to start in the minors but I think Ross is a special case. He's more valuable to the big league club and it would make an easier transition for him.
With that said, I hear Ryne Sandberg is available.
I wonder if Ryno still wants the 4 months of travel. Just bought a big house in Gurnee. Grandkids all around.
Wonder if the grandkids have to move to Washington.
"Sandberg, who had most recently been living in the Phoenix area, tells Crain's that he has grandchildren in Lake Bluff."
anybody know if Ryne Sandberg lives in Lake Bluff?
David Ross is so played out
Nightengale said on Twitter than the Cubs are hiring Andre Dawson.
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Nightengale said on Twitter than the Cubs are hiring Andre Dawson.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
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OK A-holes. It's fixed. Enjoy the orange links, because I have no fucking idea how to change them. I basically learned scripting in four days to fix this damned thing. - Andy
I for one welcome our new orange link overlords.
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OK A-holes. It's fixed. Enjoy the orange links, because I have no fucking idea how to change them. I basically learned scripting in four days to fix this damned thing. - Andy
I for one welcome our new orange link overlords.
Orange is the new blue!
Joe's wacky moves can actually be a selling point to Ohtani. Other teams can talk about getting him involved but the Cubs can show video of Travis Wood playing the outfield, homering in the playoffs, etc. It's better than nothing at least.
Maybe "Freezing Cold Stove Buried Under a Foot of Snow" would have been a better thread title.
Derek Jeter is really gonna burn his golden reputation to the ground in less than a year as an owner, huh. (https://sports.yahoo.com/derek-jeter-led-marlins-parted-ways-scout-hospital-undergoing-cancer-surgery-162134586.html)
I think "Hey Loria, hold my beer" might have literally been written into the purchase and sale agreement.
In other news, I'm hearing there's mutual interest between the Marlins and John Lackey, who was impressed by the move.
Give me Ohtani or give me death
Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 25, 2017, 02:51:12 PM
Joe's wacky moves can actually be a selling point to Ohtani. Other teams can talk about getting him involved but the Cubs can show video of Travis Wood playing the outfield, homering in the playoffs, etc. It's better than nothing at least.
See? SEE?? (http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/12/05/joe-maddon-is-a-big-fan-of-players-like-shohei-ohtani-wink-wink-nudge-nudge/)
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 25, 2017, 02:51:12 PM
Joe's wacky moves can actually be a selling point to Ohtani. Other teams can talk about getting him involved but the Cubs can show video of Travis Wood playing the outfield, homering in the playoffs, etc. It's better than nothing at least.
See? SEE?? (http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/12/05/joe-maddon-is-a-big-fan-of-players-like-shohei-ohtani-wink-wink-nudge-nudge/)
The Cubs' entire presentation consisted of Maddon showing up in a bathrobe and saying, "Hey Shohei...let's get weird, man."
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Joe's wacky moves can actually be a selling point to Ohtani. Other teams can talk about getting him involved but the Cubs can show video of Travis Wood playing the outfield, homering in the playoffs, etc. It's better than nothing at least.
See? SEE?? (http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/12/05/joe-maddon-is-a-big-fan-of-players-like-shohei-ohtani-wink-wink-nudge-nudge/)
The Cubs' entire presentation consisted of Maddon showing up in a bathrobe and saying, "Hey Shohei...let's get weird, man."
It wasn't just the hype video the Cubs made three years ago with the words, "Shohei Ohtani" dubbed over "Jon Lester"?
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Joe's wacky moves can actually be a selling point to Ohtani. Other teams can talk about getting him involved but the Cubs can show video of Travis Wood playing the outfield, homering in the playoffs, etc. It's better than nothing at least.
See? SEE?? (http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/12/05/joe-maddon-is-a-big-fan-of-players-like-shohei-ohtani-wink-wink-nudge-nudge/)
The Cubs' entire presentation consisted of Maddon showing up in a bathrobe and saying, "Hey Shohei...let's get weird, man."
Joe has definitely spent too much time scrolling the WTF, Japan thread then.
Tyler Chatwood. A Cub.
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Tyler Chatwood. A Cub.
3 years, 38 mil is not bad for a guy's age 28-30 seasons. Well below qualifying offer rate. If he can keep up that groundball rate this is gonna be a steal, either way he should put up solid numbers for a back end guy. He has a career ERA of 3.31 on the road.
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Tyler Chatwood. A Cub.
3 years, 38 mil is not bad for a guy's age 28-30 seasons. Well below qualifying offer rate. If he can keep up that groundball rate this is gonna be a steal, either way he should put up solid numbers for a back end guy. He has a career ERA of 3.31 on the road.
With the Cubs' globetrotter infield--especially (and more importantly) up the middle-- Chatwood should shape up to have a helluva year.
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Tyler Chatwood. A Cub.
3 years, 38 mil is not bad for a guy's age 28-30 seasons. Well below qualifying offer rate. If he can keep up that groundball rate this is gonna be a steal, either way he should put up solid numbers for a back end guy. He has a career ERA of 3.31 on the road.
I positive. This is a good start to the offseason (sorry if this offends, Dario). And there's a chance Jim Hickey will earn his money and get even more out of him.
Plus,
if they land Ohtani and go to a six-man rotation, which I'd actually like to see as long as they're not running out a warmed-over turd to fill the #6, they're going to need more starters anyway.
There's a lot of people complaining this is too much money for Chatwood given his bad K/BB ratio, which is weird, because 12.7 mil a year for 3 years is 1) well below the qualifying offer anyway 2)an amount the Cubs can eat if this deal goes sour, in fact it's an AAV they have eaten before, considering they paid both Edwin Jackson and Miguel Montero about that much to not play for them for parts of the last three years.
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Tyler Chatwood. A Cub.
Slam.
Guy doesn't get his own thread?
"Tyler" is almost as bad a first name as "Chipper".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohXn8WKpYaA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohXn8WKpYaA)
After having informed the Cardinals that he didn't want to play in the midwest, Stanton has listed the Cubs as one of several teams to whom he'd accept a trade.
Seems like the Cubs are the belle of the ball these days.
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Tyler Chatwood. A Cub.
Slam.
Guy doesn't get his own thread?
"Tyler" is almost as bad a first name as "Chipper".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohXn8WKpYaA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohXn8WKpYaA)
One of my favorite Carlin clips, mainly because most every Todd I've come across is a dick-weed of the first order.
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Tyler Chatwood. A Cub.
Slam.
Guy doesn't get his own thread?
"Tyler" is almost as bad a first name as "Chipper".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohXn8WKpYaA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohXn8WKpYaA)
One of my favorite Carlin clips, mainly because most every Todd I've come across is a dick-weed of the first order.
Hi
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Tyler Chatwood. A Cub.
Slam.
Guy doesn't get his own thread?
"Tyler" is almost as bad a first name as "Chipper".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohXn8WKpYaA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohXn8WKpYaA)
One of my favorite Carlin clips, mainly because most every Todd I've come across is a dick-weed of the first order.
Hi
Exhibit A.
Quote from: SKO on December 07, 2017, 01:36:31 PM
There's a lot of people complaining this is too much money for Chatwood given his bad K/BB ratio, which is weird, because 12.7 mil a year for 3 years is 1) well below the qualifying offer anyway 2)an amount the Cubs can eat if this deal goes sour, in fact it's an AAV they have eaten before, considering they paid both Edwin Jackson and Miguel Montero about that much to not play for them for parts of the last three years.
Although I agree that this is a great deal, I'm having a hard time understanding why you (and Fork) keep comparing this to a QO. The Cubs are on the hook for 38MM. I'm sure they would have gladly given him a 1/18MM instead.
I bet they just showed Ohtani that "Homer at the Bat" Simpsons episode. Playing Pedro Strop in LF has nothing on that, sadly.
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Give me Ohtani or give me death
Win win
RIP, Saul.
Ohtani's gonna be an Angel (the LA kind).
RIP, me. Definitely did not see the Angels coming. I would've bet Padres before Angels even.
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Give me Ohtani or give me death
Win win
RIP, Saul.
Ohtani's gonna be an Angel (the LA kind).
RIP, me. Definitely did not see the Angels coming. I would've bet Padres before Angels even.
Some dude in the Guardian comments had this to say:
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Yes, I agree, it doesn't make a lot of sense, however, according to a piece by Mike Oz at Yahoo Sports, Angels GM Billy Eppler had cultivated a personal relationship with Ohtani, having chased himi since he was an assistant GM with the Yankees and Ohtani was a high schooler.
Here's a tweet from The Athletic's Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal:
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Agent (not from CAA) on Ohtani signing: "Eppler made this happen. 100% all him. He has been on Ohtani since he was in HS and I will bet he absolutely crushed the presentation. This is a credit to him." Eppler visited Japan while with NYY and after becoming LAA GM in Oct. 2015.
3:31 PM - Dec 8, 2017
Some of Oz's other pro-Angels points include the fact that since the Angels have lacked pitching in recent years, he could make an immediate impact, that he might be able to get the team to a Wild Card spot -- something they've failed to do recently, that he'll be near enough to Hollywood without being in the thick of L.A., and that he might be able to DH in place of Albert Pujols.
Those are all reasonable points, I suppose. Still, since the money was neither here nor there, really, I'm a little suspicious of a professional athlete who essentially appears to be going for comfort rather than competitiveness. It doesn't bode well.
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Give me Ohtani or give me death
Win win
RIP, Saul.
Ohtani's gonna be an Angel (the LA kind).
RIP, me. Definitely did not see the Angels coming. I would've bet Padres before Angels even.
Some dude in the Guardian comments had this to say:
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Yes, I agree, it doesn't make a lot of sense, however, according to a piece by Mike Oz at Yahoo Sports, Angels GM Billy Eppler had cultivated a personal relationship with Ohtani, having chased himi since he was an assistant GM with the Yankees and Ohtani was a high schooler.
Here's a tweet from The Athletic's Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal:
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Agent (not from CAA) on Ohtani signing: "Eppler made this happen. 100% all him. He has been on Ohtani since he was in HS and I will bet he absolutely crushed the presentation. This is a credit to him." Eppler visited Japan while with NYY and after becoming LAA GM in Oct. 2015.
3:31 PM - Dec 8, 2017
Some of Oz's other pro-Angels points include the fact that since the Angels have lacked pitching in recent years, he could make an immediate impact, that he might be able to get the team to a Wild Card spot -- something they've failed to do recently, that he'll be near enough to Hollywood without being in the thick of L.A., and that he might be able to DH in place of Albert Pujols.
Those are all reasonable points, I suppose. Still, since the money was neither here nor there, really, I'm a little suspicious of a professional athlete who essentially appears to be going for comfort rather than competitiveness. It doesn't bode well.
"2018 Angels: Ohtani and Trout and pray the fire's not out"
Cubs are reportedly close to signing Brandon Morrow. I also positive.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on December 10, 2017, 02:51:42 PM
Cubs are reportedly close to signing Brandon Morrow. I also positive.
No word on Cobb yet, so they might have to fight for him this week. If they signed him...
1. Lester
2. Hendricks
3. Quintana
4. Cobb
5. Chatwood
CL: Morrow
SU: Strop
SU: Edwards Jr.
MR: Montgomery
MR: Grimm
MR: Maples
MR: Wilson
MR: Zastryzny/Alvarez?
That's a 13-man staff right there. If Cobb signs elsewhere, Montgomery becomes the 5.
There's not much else to do, really. A backup catcher and maybe a speedy outfielder. A better bullpen arm could also be added (Addison Reed?) if they wanted to keep Maples down longer. But they might not trade any of the young position players after all.
At some point at least one of these pitchers they've drafted over the last five years has to turn into something right?
Quote from: D. Doluntap on December 10, 2017, 08:34:59 PM
At some point at least one of these pitchers they've drafted over the last five years has to turn into something right?
Their 6th rounder in 2014 turned into Jose Quintana!
Quote from: Saul Goodman on December 10, 2017, 02:51:42 PM
Cubs are reportedly close to signing Brandon Morrow. I also positive.
It's not that I dislike the Morrow signing (though the money is a bit nuts for a reliever one-year removed from a dismal season), as much as I think Pat Neshek was a much better option, especially in light of Neshek likely commanding a similar, or perhaps slightly lesser salary.
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Cubs are reportedly close to signing Brandon Morrow. I also positive.
It's not that I dislike the Morrow signing (though the money is a bit nuts for a reliever one-year removed from a dismal season), as much as I think Pat Neshek was a much better option, especially in light of Neshek likely commanding a similar, or perhaps slightly lesser salary.
He was awful two years ago but he then was worth getting on for two wins last year, so I don't think a two-year, $21MM contract is too much of a stretch at all. If he falls somewhere in between his last two years' lines, the Cubs will just about get their money's worth, and if he does repeat last year's performance then they'll make out like bandits.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on December 10, 2017, 08:30:28 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on December 10, 2017, 02:51:42 PM
Cubs are reportedly close to signing Brandon Morrow. I also positive.
No word on Cobb yet, so they might have to fight for him this week. If they signed him...
1. Lester
2. Hendricks
3. Quintana
4. Cobb
5. Chatwood
CL: Morrow
SU: Strop
SU: Edwards Jr.
MR: Montgomery
MR: Grimm
MR: Maples
MR: Wilson
MR: Zastryzny/Alvarez?
That's a 13-man staff right there. If Cobb signs elsewhere, Montgomery becomes the 5.
There's not much else to do, really. A backup catcher and maybe a speedy outfielder. A better bullpen arm could also be added (Addison Reed?) if they wanted to keep Maples down longer. But they might not trade any of the young position players after all.
I don't think the Cubs are in a "Cobb or nothing" mindset. If Cobb goes elsewhere, then they can explore trade options.
Also, I'd prefer bringing back Duensing as the lefty middle innings guy over Zastryzny.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on December 10, 2017, 09:22:23 PM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on December 10, 2017, 08:34:59 PM
At some point at least one of these pitchers they've drafted over the last five years has to turn into something right?
Their 6th rounder in 2014 turned into Jose Quintana!
Ok, that's true.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 11, 2017, 12:20:03 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on December 10, 2017, 02:51:42 PM
Cubs are reportedly close to signing Brandon Morrow. I also positive.
It's not that I dislike the Morrow signing (though the money is a bit nuts for a reliever one-year removed from a dismal season), as much as I think Pat Neshek was a much better option, especially in light of Neshek likely commanding a similar, or perhaps slightly lesser salary.
Who gives a shit about lesser salary? All that matters are the years. Cubs are well below the luxury tax now, they can afford to overpay him relative to the market for a few years, its' not like they have a ton of other places they need to spend that money. If they sign Cobb (or even if they don't) it's likely any big moves they have left in the tank will be trades for young (i.e. cheap) players like Archer or Stroman or Yelich. They have the money, throw it at the best reliever available, minimize the risk by limiting the years.
DPD, but my ideal offseason from here is:
1) Sign Cobb
2) Add another late inning reliever
3) Trade Happ and some shit to Florida for Yelich, eat a bad contract of theirs if you need to.
2017 rotation:
Hendricks
Quintana
Lester
Cobb
Chatwood
Bullpen:
Morrow
FA Reliever
Edwards
Strop
Wilson
Monty
Who Knows
Who Cares
Yelich CF
Bryant 3B
Rizzo 1B
Contreras C
Schwarber LF
Baez 2B
Russell SS
HeyMora Platoon RF
Bench:
La Stella
Zobrist
Caratini or Veteran Backup Catcher
Zagunis or some shit.
Quote from: SKO on December 11, 2017, 10:33:14 AM
DPD, but my ideal offseason from here is:
1) Sign Cobb
2) Add another late inning reliever
3) Trade Happ and some shit to Florida for Yelich, eat a bad contract of theirs if you need to.
2017 rotation:
Hendricks
Quintana
Lester
Cobb
Chatwood
Bullpen:
Morrow
FA Reliever
Edwards
Strop
Wilson
Monty
Who Knows
Who Cares
Yelich CF
Bryant 3B
Rizzo 1B
Contreras C
Schwarber LF
Baez 2B
Russell SS
HeyMora Platoon RF
Bench:
La Stella
Zobrist
Caratini or Veteran Backup Catcher
Zagunis or some shit.
I dig. Thed could also try Almora and slightly better shit vs Happ and some shit for Yelich, and then have Heyapp playing RF. It'd be cool to have Happ become Zobrist when Benny hangs them up to work on his duet album with Julianna.
Quote from: SKO on December 11, 2017, 10:33:14 AM
DPD, but my ideal offseason from here is:
1) Sign Cobb
2) Add another late inning reliever
3) Trade Happ and some shit to Florida for Yelich, eat a bad contract of theirs if you need to.
2017 rotation:
Hendricks
Quintana
Lester
Cobb
Chatwood
Bullpen:
Morrow
FA Reliever
Edwards
Strop
Wilson
Monty
Who Knows
Who Cares
Yelich CF
Bryant 3B
Rizzo 1B
Contreras C
Schwarber LF
Baez 2B
Russell SS
HeyMora Platoon RF
Bench:
La Stella
Zobrist
Caratini or Veteran Backup Catcher
Zagunis or some shit.
Yelich would be an awesome get, but I just can't see the Cubs outbidding everyone else who is going to want him. Wouldn't mind being wrong.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on December 11, 2017, 12:56:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 11, 2017, 10:33:14 AM
DPD, but my ideal offseason from here is:
1) Sign Cobb
2) Add another late inning reliever
3) Trade Happ and some shit to Florida for Yelich, eat a bad contract of theirs if you need to.
2017 rotation:
Hendricks
Quintana
Lester
Cobb
Chatwood
Bullpen:
Morrow
FA Reliever
Edwards
Strop
Wilson
Monty
Who Knows
Who Cares
Yelich CF
Bryant 3B
Rizzo 1B
Contreras C
Schwarber LF
Baez 2B
Russell SS
HeyMora Platoon RF
Bench:
La Stella
Zobrist
Caratini or Veteran Backup Catcher
Zagunis or some shit.
Yelich would be an awesome get, but I just can't see the Cubs outbidding everyone else who is going to want him. Wouldn't mind being wrong.
I feel like it'd be hard to top a guy like Happ in a trade like that but who knows.
Quote from: SKO on December 11, 2017, 01:08:33 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on December 11, 2017, 12:56:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 11, 2017, 10:33:14 AM
DPD, but my ideal offseason from here is:
1) Sign Cobb
2) Add another late inning reliever
3) Trade Happ and some shit to Florida for Yelich, eat a bad contract of theirs if you need to.
2017 rotation:
Hendricks
Quintana
Lester
Cobb
Chatwood
Bullpen:
Morrow
FA Reliever
Edwards
Strop
Wilson
Monty
Who Knows
Who Cares
Yelich CF
Bryant 3B
Rizzo 1B
Contreras C
Schwarber LF
Baez 2B
Russell SS
HeyMora Platoon RF
Bench:
La Stella
Zobrist
Caratini or Veteran Backup Catcher
Zagunis or some shit.
Yelich would be an awesome get, but I just can't see the Cubs outbidding everyone else who is going to want him. Wouldn't mind being wrong.
I feel like it'd be hard to top a guy like Happ in a trade like that but who knows.
The Marlins only seem to care about salary relief, and the Cubs would probably tell Jeter to go fuck himself if he insists on tying Chen, Prado, or Volquez around Yelich's neck.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on December 11, 2017, 01:48:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 11, 2017, 01:08:33 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on December 11, 2017, 12:56:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 11, 2017, 10:33:14 AM
DPD, but my ideal offseason from here is:
1) Sign Cobb
2) Add another late inning reliever
3) Trade Happ and some shit to Florida for Yelich, eat a bad contract of theirs if you need to.
2017 rotation:
Hendricks
Quintana
Lester
Cobb
Chatwood
Bullpen:
Morrow
FA Reliever
Edwards
Strop
Wilson
Monty
Who Knows
Who Cares
Yelich CF
Bryant 3B
Rizzo 1B
Contreras C
Schwarber LF
Baez 2B
Russell SS
HeyMora Platoon RF
Bench:
La Stella
Zobrist
Caratini or Veteran Backup Catcher
Zagunis or some shit.
Yelich would be an awesome get, but I just can't see the Cubs outbidding everyone else who is going to want him. Wouldn't mind being wrong.
I feel like it'd be hard to top a guy like Happ in a trade like that but who knows.
The Marlins only seem to care about salary relief, and the Cubs would probably tell Jeter to go fuck himself if he insists on tying Chen, Prado, or Volquez around Yelich's neck.
But why, though? The Cubs could definitely eat some salary and just DFA the player in question. They have the flexibility to do that the same way the Dodgers do. It'd probably be worth it in order to get a great player.
Quote from: SKO on December 11, 2017, 02:21:11 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on December 11, 2017, 01:48:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 11, 2017, 01:08:33 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on December 11, 2017, 12:56:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 11, 2017, 10:33:14 AM
DPD, but my ideal offseason from here is:
1) Sign Cobb
2) Add another late inning reliever
3) Trade Happ and some shit to Florida for Yelich, eat a bad contract of theirs if you need to.
2017 rotation:
Hendricks
Quintana
Lester
Cobb
Chatwood
Bullpen:
Morrow
FA Reliever
Edwards
Strop
Wilson
Monty
Who Knows
Who Cares
Yelich CF
Bryant 3B
Rizzo 1B
Contreras C
Schwarber LF
Baez 2B
Russell SS
HeyMora Platoon RF
Bench:
La Stella
Zobrist
Caratini or Veteran Backup Catcher
Zagunis or some shit.
Yelich would be an awesome get, but I just can't see the Cubs outbidding everyone else who is going to want him. Wouldn't mind being wrong.
I feel like it'd be hard to top a guy like Happ in a trade like that but who knows.
The Marlins only seem to care about salary relief, and the Cubs would probably tell Jeter to go fuck himself if he insists on tying Chen, Prado, or Volquez around Yelich's neck.
But why, though? The Cubs could definitely eat some salary and just DFA the player in question. They have the flexibility to do that the same way the Dodgers do. It'd probably be worth it in order to get a great player.
I dunno...they dealt Stanton without even getting Torres in return. I think Jepstink might be able to pry Yelich loose for Almora and a couple minor league dudes, and they can hang onto Happ.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on December 12, 2017, 08:39:47 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 11, 2017, 02:21:11 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on December 11, 2017, 01:48:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 11, 2017, 01:08:33 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on December 11, 2017, 12:56:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 11, 2017, 10:33:14 AM
DPD, but my ideal offseason from here is:
1) Sign Cobb
2) Add another late inning reliever
3) Trade Happ and some shit to Florida for Yelich, eat a bad contract of theirs if you need to.
2017 rotation:
Hendricks
Quintana
Lester
Cobb
Chatwood
Bullpen:
Morrow
FA Reliever
Edwards
Strop
Wilson
Monty
Who Knows
Who Cares
Yelich CF
Bryant 3B
Rizzo 1B
Contreras C
Schwarber LF
Baez 2B
Russell SS
HeyMora Platoon RF
Bench:
La Stella
Zobrist
Caratini or Veteran Backup Catcher
Zagunis or some shit.
Yelich would be an awesome get, but I just can't see the Cubs outbidding everyone else who is going to want him. Wouldn't mind being wrong.
I feel like it'd be hard to top a guy like Happ in a trade like that but who knows.
The Marlins only seem to care about salary relief, and the Cubs would probably tell Jeter to go fuck himself if he insists on tying Chen, Prado, or Volquez around Yelich's neck.
But why, though? The Cubs could definitely eat some salary and just DFA the player in question. They have the flexibility to do that the same way the Dodgers do. It'd probably be worth it in order to get a great player.
I dunno...they dealt Stanton without even getting Torres in return. I think Jepstink might be able to pry Yelich loose for Almora and a couple minor league dudes, and they can hang onto Happ.
Yeah but they weren't trading Giancarlo Stanton, they were trading his contract. the Cubs could have offered Kris Bryant and Anthony Rizzo and the Marlins would have taken the Yankees offer because the 265 million dollars was all they gave a shit about.
Yelich doesn't have quite as much of an onerous deal so it would presumably take either legit prospects or, more likely, a willingness to eat a bad Marlins contract in exchange for getting the guy you want. I'd be fine with the Cubs getting Chen if it was the key to getting Yelich.
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2017, 09:19:30 AM
Yeah but they weren't trading Giancarlo Stanton, they were trading his contract. the Cubs could have offered Kris Bryant and Anthony Rizzo and the Marlins would have taken the Yankees offer because the 265 million dollars was all they gave a shit about.
I know you're just trying to make a point, but any team that wouldn't take an elite 1B who has 4 years/$47 million left on his deal, and a player who is entering his first arbitration year after three years where his worst season was a 6.5 WAR should have their franchise revoked.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on December 12, 2017, 10:13:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2017, 09:19:30 AM
Yeah but they weren't trading Giancarlo Stanton, they were trading his contract. the Cubs could have offered Kris Bryant and Anthony Rizzo and the Marlins would have taken the Yankees offer because the 265 million dollars was all they gave a shit about.
I know you're just trying to make a point, but any team that wouldn't take an elite 1B who has 4 years/$47 million left on his deal, and a player who is entering his first arbitration year after three years where his worst season was a 6.5 WAR should have their franchise revoked.
I absolutely think the Marlins should have their franchise revoked, yes, but seriously the Marlins straight up admitted they were offered better prospects for Stanton but they had to dump the salary no matter what. The Dodgers offered legitimate prospects but were only willing to eat about half the cash, so he got traded to NY for nothing other than money, basically. The Cubs straight up could have offered Bryant and Rizzo but if they weren't willing to eat more money than the Yankees nothing was going to happen. The Marlins have been told to slash payroll from 115 million (which was already 20th in the league) to 55 million, where the Rays and the rebuilding Brewers were.
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2017, 10:42:16 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on December 12, 2017, 10:13:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2017, 09:19:30 AM
Yeah but they weren't trading Giancarlo Stanton, they were trading his contract. the Cubs could have offered Kris Bryant and Anthony Rizzo and the Marlins would have taken the Yankees offer because the 265 million dollars was all they gave a shit about.
I know you're just trying to make a point, but any team that wouldn't take an elite 1B who has 4 years/$47 million left on his deal, and a player who is entering his first arbitration year after three years where his worst season was a 6.5 WAR should have their franchise revoked.
I absolutely think the Marlins should have their franchise revoked, yes, but seriously the Marlins straight up admitted they were offered better prospects for Stanton but they had to dump the salary no matter what. The Dodgers offered legitimate prospects but were only willing to eat about half the cash, so he got traded to NY for nothing other than money, basically. The Cubs straight up could have offered Bryant and Rizzo but if they weren't willing to eat more money than the Yankees nothing was going to happen. The Marlins have been told to slash payroll from 115 million (which was already 20th in the league) to 55 million, where the Rays and the rebuilding Brewers were.
So Stanton is out of the NL and he rejected the Cardinals (semi) publicly.
This all works for me!
Quote from: PenFoe on December 12, 2017, 03:15:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2017, 10:42:16 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on December 12, 2017, 10:13:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2017, 09:19:30 AM
Yeah but they weren't trading Giancarlo Stanton, they were trading his contract. the Cubs could have offered Kris Bryant and Anthony Rizzo and the Marlins would have taken the Yankees offer because the 265 million dollars was all they gave a shit about.
I know you're just trying to make a point, but any team that wouldn't take an elite 1B who has 4 years/$47 million left on his deal, and a player who is entering his first arbitration year after three years where his worst season was a 6.5 WAR should have their franchise revoked.
I absolutely think the Marlins should have their franchise revoked, yes, but seriously the Marlins straight up admitted they were offered better prospects for Stanton but they had to dump the salary no matter what. The Dodgers offered legitimate prospects but were only willing to eat about half the cash, so he got traded to NY for nothing other than money, basically. The Cubs straight up could have offered Bryant and Rizzo but if they weren't willing to eat more money than the Yankees nothing was going to happen. The Marlins have been told to slash payroll from 115 million (which was already 20th in the league) to 55 million, where the Rays and the rebuilding Brewers were.
So Stanton is out of the NL and he rejected the Cardinals (semi) publicly.
This all works for me!
Yeah, ultimately, I can't complain.
I like the Drew Smyly signing. He costs almost nothing, and the Cubs have what amounts to a minor league LH pitcher sho will be ready for 2019.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on December 13, 2017, 08:15:53 AM
I like the Drew Smyly signing. He costs almost nothing, and the Cubs have what amounts to a minor league LH pitcher sho will be ready for 2019.
He's the new Ryan Dempster!
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 13, 2017, 08:20:02 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on December 13, 2017, 08:15:53 AM
I like the Drew Smyly signing. He costs almost nothing, and the Cubs have what amounts to a minor league LH pitcher sho will be ready for 2019.
He's the new Ryan Dempster!
As long as he's not the new Scott Williamson
Or Scott Baker.
I positive the Steve Cishek (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6483&position=P) signing.
Congratulations to Mikey M. (http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/12/13/mike-montgomery-clarifies-comments-but-is-quite-clear-that-he-wants-to-start/) on his newly earned degree from the Todd Walker School of Dispute Resolution. I'm sure the Cubs will immediately slot him into the rotation now. (But seriously, a six-man rotation would be worth trying.)
Quote from: PenFoe on December 12, 2017, 03:15:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2017, 10:42:16 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on December 12, 2017, 10:13:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2017, 09:19:30 AM
Yeah but they weren't trading Giancarlo Stanton, they were trading his contract. the Cubs could have offered Kris Bryant and Anthony Rizzo and the Marlins would have taken the Yankees offer because the 265 million dollars was all they gave a shit about.
I know you're just trying to make a point, but any team that wouldn't take an elite 1B who has 4 years/$47 million left on his deal, and a player who is entering his first arbitration year after three years where his worst season was a 6.5 WAR should have their franchise revoked.
I absolutely think the Marlins should have their franchise revoked, yes, but seriously the Marlins straight up admitted they were offered better prospects for Stanton but they had to dump the salary no matter what. The Dodgers offered legitimate prospects but were only willing to eat about half the cash, so he got traded to NY for nothing other than money, basically. The Cubs straight up could have offered Bryant and Rizzo but if they weren't willing to eat more money than the Yankees nothing was going to happen. The Marlins have been told to slash payroll from 115 million (which was already 20th in the league) to 55 million, where the Rays and the rebuilding Brewers were.
So Stanton is out of the NL and he rejected the Cardinals (semi) publicly.
This all works for me!
As someone on Twitter pointed out, he trashed the Marlins on his way out the door, but would still rather have played there than St. Louis.
2018 "Los Angeles" Angels of Anaheim
C Maldonado (R)
1B Pujols/Cron/Marte (R/R/R)
2B Kinsler (R)
SS Simmons (R)
3B Cozart (R)
LF Upton (R)
CF Trout (R)
RF Calhoun (L)
DH Ohtani/Pujols (L/R)
So the Angels have decided to honor their Orange County home and except for a couple token lefties go full alt-right?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on December 15, 2017, 01:53:27 PM
2018 "Los Angeles" Angels of Anaheim
C Maldonado (R)
1B Pujols/Cron/Marte (R/R/R)
2B Kinsler (R)
SS Simmons (R)
3B Cozart (R)
LF Upton (R)
CF Trout (R)
RF Calhoun (L)
DH Ohtani/Pujols (L/R)
So the Angels have decided to honor their Orange County home and except for a couple token lefties go full alt-right?
I'm sure that signing the 32 year old Cozart (who is coming off the best year of his life by a couple wins) won't bite them in the ass at all.
This would be fun.
http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/12/15/enormous-grain-of-salt-report-out-of-japan-seems-to-suggest-cubs-are-in-on-yu-darvish/
Quote from: D. Doluntap on December 15, 2017, 05:05:58 PM
This would be fun.
http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/12/15/enormous-grain-of-salt-report-out-of-japan-seems-to-suggest-cubs-are-in-on-yu-darvish/
If the reports from this weekend are true and Cobb is really looking for $20 mildo, the Cubs might as well go the extra distance and get Darvish.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on December 18, 2017, 08:40:28 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on December 15, 2017, 05:05:58 PM
This would be fun.
http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/12/15/enormous-grain-of-salt-report-out-of-japan-seems-to-suggest-cubs-are-in-on-yu-darvish/
If the reports from this weekend are true and Cobb is really looking for $20 mildo, the Cubs might as well go the extra distance and get Darvish.
Jesus...seriously? Cobb thinks he's worth 120? Yeah, at half that cost, I'd buy.
Theo let Yelich go to the Brewers. The Plan sucks.
Cain, too?! The plan sucks. Bring back Hendry!
Cubs Twitter is especially precious today, as the Brewers made two moves to fix a nonexistent problem...unless either Cain or Yelich can throw unhittable strikes for 6 innings.
DOOOOOOOM!!!
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on January 26, 2018, 10:42:54 AM
Cubs Twitter is especially precious today, as the Brewers made two moves to fix a nonexistent problem...unless either Cain or Yelich can throw unhittable strikes for 6 innings.
DOOOOOOOM!!!
They got barely a win last year out of their center fielders and they just added one who was worth 5.3 wins last year and has averaged 3.5 wins a year since 2014. Christian Yelich is a 4 win player annually which adds at least a win over Domingo Santana if he's the one they move or almost 3 wins more than what the declining Braun gave them last year. I'd say adding about 6-8 wins to a largely replacement level outfield is fixing a problem.
They're also in talks with Arrieta and Darvish and have a considerably better farm system than the Cubs have right now, not to mention they are now able to offer Santana (30 HRs, 3.0 bWAR) in a trade for more pitching, which rumors say they are doing right now. The Cubs are the better team, but the gap narrowed and not by a small amount, and with the Cubs having all of three reliable starting pitchers right now it's not hard to see where the race can get a lot tighter than it should be if the Cubs don't add a top of the rotation starter in response.
There is a difference between "DOOOOM" and being unhappy that your team has stood still and is, on paper, projected to be worse than they were last year while a division rival adds two 4+ win guys in a single day.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on January 26, 2018, 10:42:54 AM
Cubs Twitter is especially precious today, as the Brewers made two moves to fix a nonexistent problem...unless either Cain or Yelich can throw unhittable strikes for 6 innings.
DOOOOOOOM!!!
In fairness, this probably means they'll be dealing from their excess of outfielders to bolster their rotation.
At the same time, though, I do find the pearl-clutching amusing. The Cubs stumbled and bumbled their way to 92 wins during a World Series-hangover season in which Schwarber and Russell had down years and won the division going away against a Milwaukee team that overperformed. They are going to have a better 2018 regular season. For fuck sake, people, have some dignity.
DPD
Quote from: SKO on January 26, 2018, 11:11:39 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on January 26, 2018, 10:42:54 AM
Cubs Twitter is especially precious today, as the Brewers made two moves to fix a nonexistent problem...unless either Cain or Yelich can throw unhittable strikes for 6 innings.
DOOOOOOOM!!!
They got barely a win last year out of their center fielders and they just added one who was worth 5.3 wins last year and has averaged 3.5 wins a year since 2014. Christian Yelich is a 4 win player annually which adds at least a win over Domingo Santana if he's the one they move or almost 3 wins more than what the declining Braun gave them last year. I'd say adding about 6-8 wins to a largely replacement level outfield is fixing a problem.
They're also in talks with Arrieta and Darvish and have a considerably better farm system than the Cubs have right now, not to mention they are now able to offer Santana (30 HRs, 3.0 bWAR) in a trade for more pitching, which rumors say they are doing right now. The Cubs are the better team, but the gap narrowed and not by a small amount, and with the Cubs having all of three reliable starting pitchers right now it's not hard to see where the race can get a lot tighter than it should be if the Cubs don't add a top of the rotation starter in response.
There is a difference between "DOOOOM" and being unhappy that your team has stood still and is, on paper, projected to be worse than they were last year while a division rival adds two 4+ win guys in a single day.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on January 26, 2018, 11:12:08 AM
For fuck sake, people, have some dignity.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on January 26, 2018, 11:13:32 AM
DPD
Quote from: SKO on January 26, 2018, 11:11:39 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on January 26, 2018, 10:42:54 AM
Cubs Twitter is especially precious today, as the Brewers made two moves to fix a nonexistent problem...unless either Cain or Yelich can throw unhittable strikes for 6 innings.
DOOOOOOOM!!!
They got barely a win last year out of their center fielders and they just added one who was worth 5.3 wins last year and has averaged 3.5 wins a year since 2014. Christian Yelich is a 4 win player annually which adds at least a win over Domingo Santana if he's the one they move or almost 3 wins more than what the declining Braun gave them last year. I'd say adding about 6-8 wins to a largely replacement level outfield is fixing a problem.
They're also in talks with Arrieta and Darvish and have a considerably better farm system than the Cubs have right now, not to mention they are now able to offer Santana (30 HRs, 3.0 bWAR) in a trade for more pitching, which rumors say they are doing right now. The Cubs are the better team, but the gap narrowed and not by a small amount, and with the Cubs having all of three reliable starting pitchers right now it's not hard to see where the race can get a lot tighter than it should be if the Cubs don't add a top of the rotation starter in response.
There is a difference between "DOOOOM" and being unhappy that your team has stood still and is, on paper, projected to be worse than they were last year while a division rival adds two 4+ win guys in a single day.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on January 26, 2018, 11:12:08 AM
For fuck sake, people, have some dignity.
I'm not worried so long as the Cubs bolster their rotation. Cobb would be OK, I'd prefer Darvish. If they sit pat and Milwaukee adds pitching it's not quite panic time but it'd show an annoying reluctance on the part of ownership to capitalize on the contention window even if it means paying the luxury tax and would allow a division they should dominate easily become more of a contest than it should ever be.
If that's DOOM, fine, enjoy your pom poms and maybe just move on if your response to everything is just LOL CUBS FINE. Brewers may have over-achieved last year and yet outside of some guys like Sogard there aren't many obvious flukes or batted ball issues that seem to indicate a necessary regression, some times prospects and players just break out and do better than anticipated and stay that way, just ask Jake Arrieta or Willson Contreras. The Cubs should plan as though an 86 win team just added two 4+ win players and their 92 win team is treading water, if that. They still have to replace Jake's production somewhere and I don't see Montgomery being the guy to do that.
DPD, but not to mention my concern is hardly the division anyway, as it stands right now the Cubs roster is worse on paper than the Astros, Dodgers, Indians, about the same as the Yankees, Nationals, Red Sox per projections. If we're just taking the division for granted than the concern should be maximizing title chances because I don't really want to roll into the playoffs deciding between Tyler Chatwood or Mike Montgomery getting a playoff start.
TPD, but the way I see it if everything breaks right the Cubs as currently constituted are a 93ish win team, if they have a slow start/some guys struggle/injuries/Russell or Schwarber don't improve as we hope, that could drop to 86-88ish wins. I think the Brewers/Cardinals ceilings are about 85-88 wins right now. So I mean there's probably only a 25% chance or less that the Brewers/Cards peak and the Cubs underachieve enough to boot the division away, but they have the resources to add a guy like Darvish and stamp that 25% down to nothing. They should do that, IMO. Sorry to panic and stuff, but when it comes to controversial statements, "the Cubs should keep adding good players that help an obvious team need like starting rotation depth" is the kind of bold, outside the box thinking I stand behind.
Quote from: SKO on January 26, 2018, 11:28:28 AM
DPD, but not to mention my concern is hardly the division anyway, as it stands right now the Cubs roster is worse on paper than the Astros, Dodgers, Indians, about the same as the Yankees, Nationals, Red Sox per projections. If we're just taking the division for granted than the concern should be maximizing title chances because I don't really want to roll into the playoffs deciding between Tyler Chatwood or Mike Montgomery getting a playoff start.
Are you having a laugh? You've spent the better part of the last 12 hours quaking in your boots about the
Germans Brewers and now all of a sudden they're hardly a concern? C'mon.
None of those other teams are markedly superior to the Cubs anyway; at least not to the extent that the ups and downs of 6 months of baseball won't even that out. The Cubs are as good a team as any in baseball--nobody else has come within 1 round of the World Series in each of the last 3 seasons. The whole point of this franchise is that their nucleus has been so strong, young and locked-in that they'll be competing for league supremacy annually. That hasn't changed just because the Brewers all of a sudden are throwing on some big-boy pants. Making a deal as a RESPONSE to their moves is knee-jerk idiocy that is the hallmark of dipshit, inferior franchises. If they make a move--and I agree they need to get 1 more starter--it's to shore up what they already have. It's certainly not because OTHER teams have suddenly gotten better. They're
supposed to get better. The Cubs are the hunted. This is what we wanted and now we have it. Stop shitting your pants.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on January 26, 2018, 12:21:09 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 26, 2018, 11:28:28 AM
DPD, but not to mention my concern is hardly the division anyway, as it stands right now the Cubs roster is worse on paper than the Astros, Dodgers, Indians, about the same as the Yankees, Nationals, Red Sox per projections. If we're just taking the division for granted than the concern should be maximizing title chances because I don't really want to roll into the playoffs deciding between Tyler Chatwood or Mike Montgomery getting a playoff start.
Are you having a laugh? You've spent the better part of the last 12 hours quaking in your boots about the Germans Brewers and now all of a sudden they're hardly a concern? C'mon.
None of those other teams are markedly superior to the Cubs anyway; at least not to the extent that the ups and downs of 6 months of baseball won't even that out. The Cubs are as good a team as any in baseball--nobody else has come within 1 round of the World Series in each of the last 3 seasons. The whole point of this franchise is that their nucleus has been so strong, young and locked-in that they'll be competing for league supremacy annually. That hasn't changed just because the Brewers all of a sudden are throwing on some big-boy pants. Making a deal as a RESPONSE to their moves is knee-jerk idiocy that is the hallmark of dipshit, inferior franchises. If they make a move--and I agree they need to get 1 more starter--it's to shore up what they already have. It's certainly not because OTHER teams have suddenly gotten better. They're supposed to get better. The Cubs are the hunted. This is what we wanted and now we have it. Stop shitting your pants.
Then we're just arguing semantics here. It doesn't matter whether you think the intention behind a move is "adding to the team they have" or "responding to Milwaukee," either way it achieves the same thing. My point was never MILWAUKEE IS THE FAVORITE NOW, DOOM. It's "boy, the Cubs should probably not just be content with what they have right now, even if they're still the favorites in the division those odds did just go down (however slightly) and they should do whatever they can to improve those odds and they have the money to do so."
Quote from: SKO on January 26, 2018, 12:31:39 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on January 26, 2018, 12:21:09 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 26, 2018, 11:28:28 AM
DPD, but not to mention my concern is hardly the division anyway, as it stands right now the Cubs roster is worse on paper than the Astros, Dodgers, Indians, about the same as the Yankees, Nationals, Red Sox per projections. If we're just taking the division for granted than the concern should be maximizing title chances because I don't really want to roll into the playoffs deciding between Tyler Chatwood or Mike Montgomery getting a playoff start.
Are you having a laugh? You've spent the better part of the last 12 hours quaking in your boots about the Germans Brewers and now all of a sudden they're hardly a concern? C'mon.
None of those other teams are markedly superior to the Cubs anyway; at least not to the extent that the ups and downs of 6 months of baseball won't even that out. The Cubs are as good a team as any in baseball--nobody else has come within 1 round of the World Series in each of the last 3 seasons. The whole point of this franchise is that their nucleus has been so strong, young and locked-in that they'll be competing for league supremacy annually. That hasn't changed just because the Brewers all of a sudden are throwing on some big-boy pants. Making a deal as a RESPONSE to their moves is knee-jerk idiocy that is the hallmark of dipshit, inferior franchises. If they make a move--and I agree they need to get 1 more starter--it's to shore up what they already have. It's certainly not because OTHER teams have suddenly gotten better. They're supposed to get better. The Cubs are the hunted. This is what we wanted and now we have it. Stop shitting your pants.
Then we're just arguing semantics here. It doesn't matter whether you think the intention behind a move is "adding to the team they have" or "responding to Milwaukee," either way it achieves the same thing. My point was never MILWAUKEE IS THE FAVORITE NOW, DOOM. It's "boy, the Cubs should probably not just be content with what they have right now, even if they're still the favorites in the division those odds did just go down (however slightly) and they should do whatever they can to improve those odds and they have the money to do so."
I think they're been looking for another starter all postseason and that hasn't changed in light of yesterday's activity is my point.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on January 26, 2018, 12:21:09 PM
It's certainly not because OTHER teams have suddenly gotten better. They're supposed to get better. The Cubs are the hunted. This is what we wanted and now we have it. Stop shitting your pants.
When I am elected to be your
President U.S. Senator Congressman Governor State Legislator County Board President County Commissioner Village Preisdent Village Trustee School Board Member Park District Board Member MWRD Commissioner Township Supervisor Township Trustee Township Republican Committeeman, I will promote the "SKO Act," a
federal state law county village ordinance non-binding resolution preventing teams that do not play home games between 3200N and 4000N and 1600W and 800W in Chicago from improving themselves in the offseason, unless said improvement includes giving a 31-year-old injury-prone outfielder a huge contract.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on January 26, 2018, 12:34:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 26, 2018, 12:31:39 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on January 26, 2018, 12:21:09 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 26, 2018, 11:28:28 AM
DPD, but not to mention my concern is hardly the division anyway, as it stands right now the Cubs roster is worse on paper than the Astros, Dodgers, Indians, about the same as the Yankees, Nationals, Red Sox per projections. If we're just taking the division for granted than the concern should be maximizing title chances because I don't really want to roll into the playoffs deciding between Tyler Chatwood or Mike Montgomery getting a playoff start.
Are you having a laugh? You've spent the better part of the last 12 hours quaking in your boots about the Germans Brewers and now all of a sudden they're hardly a concern? C'mon.
None of those other teams are markedly superior to the Cubs anyway; at least not to the extent that the ups and downs of 6 months of baseball won't even that out. The Cubs are as good a team as any in baseball--nobody else has come within 1 round of the World Series in each of the last 3 seasons. The whole point of this franchise is that their nucleus has been so strong, young and locked-in that they'll be competing for league supremacy annually. That hasn't changed just because the Brewers all of a sudden are throwing on some big-boy pants. Making a deal as a RESPONSE to their moves is knee-jerk idiocy that is the hallmark of dipshit, inferior franchises. If they make a move--and I agree they need to get 1 more starter--it's to shore up what they already have. It's certainly not because OTHER teams have suddenly gotten better. They're supposed to get better. The Cubs are the hunted. This is what we wanted and now we have it. Stop shitting your pants.
Then we're just arguing semantics here. It doesn't matter whether you think the intention behind a move is "adding to the team they have" or "responding to Milwaukee," either way it achieves the same thing. My point was never MILWAUKEE IS THE FAVORITE NOW, DOOM. It's "boy, the Cubs should probably not just be content with what they have right now, even if they're still the favorites in the division those odds did just go down (however slightly) and they should do whatever they can to improve those odds and they have the money to do so."
I think they're been looking for another starter all postseason and that hasn't changed in light of yesterday's activity is my point.
Right, and it may just be GM talk from Theo, but they seem to have a "wait it out" approach to these pitcher contracts that might let someone one up them on a guy like Darvish, and are content to roll with the guys they've got if they have to. Considering their payroll right now is down quite a bit from the last two years and well below the luxury tax level they should be aggressive in getting guys like Darvish and squeezing everything they can into these next 4 years. They can afford to get Darvish and Harper next year and pay the luxury tax.
It's gotten so bad that last night I wound up arguing with some clown who is convinced the Cubs need Lance Lynn.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on February 01, 2018, 08:07:19 AM
It's gotten so bad that last night I wound up arguing with some clown who is convinced the Cubs need Lance Lynn.
I would consider this offseason a failure if the Cubs walk out of it without at least Alex Cobb, but I'd rather start Montgomery than Lynn. Lynn's peripherals last year were absolutely terrifying (3.43 ERA with a 4.82 FIP, career low K% and career high BB and line drive %) and his ERA was nothing more than the latest example of Cardinals Devil Magic.
FUCKING FINALLY.
1. Lester
2. Darvish
3. Hendricks
4. Quintana
5. Chatwood
That's more like it.
Quote from: SKO on February 01, 2018, 08:45:30 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on February 01, 2018, 08:07:19 AM
It's gotten so bad that last night I wound up arguing with some clown who is convinced the Cubs need Lance Lynn.
I would consider this offseason a failure if the Cubs walk out of it without at least Alex Cobb, but I'd rather start Montgomery than Lynn. Lynn's peripherals last year were absolutely terrifying (3.43 ERA with a 4.82 FIP, career low K% and career high BB and line drive %) and his ERA was nothing more than the latest example of Cardinals Devil Magic.
This offseason is not failure. Let's do this
Fuck yeah. Let the Chris Gimenez era begin!
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 10, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
FUCKING FINALLY.
1. Lester
2. Darvish
3. Hendricks
4. Quintana
5. Chatwood
That's more like it.
I am going to miss Arrieta.
Quote from: CBStew on February 10, 2018, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 10, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
FUCKING FINALLY.
1. Lester
2. Darvish
3. Hendricks
4. Quintana
5. Chatwood
That's more like it.
I am going to miss Arrieta.
Me too, but he clearly wanted to be gone. Looks like we'll see him in October.
Quote from: Canadouche on February 10, 2018, 06:44:36 PM
Quote from: CBStew on February 10, 2018, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 10, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
FUCKING FINALLY.
1. Lester
2. Darvish
3. Hendricks
4. Quintana
5. Chatwood
That's more like it.
I am going to miss Arrieta.
Me too, but he clearly wanted to be gone. Looks like we'll see him in October.
I don't think he wanted to be gone, I think he wants to be paid as the guy who was a top 5 pitcher over the last four seasons but the Cubs more than anyone got to take a good close up look at his drop in velocity and figured 2018-2023 Jake is not going to be as good of a bet as 2018-2023 Darvish
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 10, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
FUCKING FINALLY.
1. Lester
2. Darvish
3. Hendricks
4. Quintana
5. Chatwood
That's more like it.
Actually, Fangraphs has it more like:
1. Quintana (4.9 zWAR)
2. Yood Arvish (4.0)
3. Lester (3.5)
4. Hendricks (3.2)
5. Chatwood (1.7)
... on which basis, the Cubs have added their top two starters in the last six months. EPSTINK IS TERRIBLE.
Arrieta is projected for 3.0 zWAR and Johnny Longball just 1.6, by the way.
Also Smyly (wow that's really how it's spelled) will be ready in August. Pretty fucking solid offseason. I am cool with "the plan" again.
Quote from: Tonker on February 11, 2018, 01:53:31 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 10, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
FUCKING FINALLY.
1. Lester
2. Darvish
3. Hendricks
4. Quintana
5. Chatwood
That's more like it.
Actually, Fangraphs has it more like:
1. Quintana (4.9 zWAR)
2. Yood Arvish (4.0)
3. Lester (3.5)
4. Hendricks (3.2)
5. Chatwood (1.7)
... on which basis, the Cubs have added their top two starters in the last six months. EPSTINK IS TERRIBLE.
Arrieta is projected for 3.0 zWAR and Johnny Longball just 1.6, by the way.
Also WAR consistently underrates Hendricks anyway bc it refuses to believe his success is legitimate since he doesn't have a gaudy FIP, but he's done it for almost four years now so
Quote from: SKO on February 11, 2018, 10:02:08 AM
Quote from: Tonker on February 11, 2018, 01:53:31 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 10, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
FUCKING FINALLY.
1. Lester
2. Darvish
3. Hendricks
4. Quintana
5. Chatwood
That's more like it.
Actually, Fangraphs has it more like:
1. Quintana (4.9 zWAR)
2. Yood Arvish (4.0)
3. Lester (3.5)
4. Hendricks (3.2)
5. Chatwood (1.7)
... on which basis, the Cubs have added their top two starters in the last six months. EPSTINK IS TERRIBLE.
Arrieta is projected for 3.0 zWAR and Johnny Longball just 1.6, by the way.
Also WAR consistently underrates Hendricks anyway bc it refuses to believe his success is legitimate since he doesn't have a gaudy FIP, but he's done it for almost four years now so
Yooda Vish?
Quote from: SKO on February 10, 2018, 07:07:23 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on February 10, 2018, 06:44:36 PM
Quote from: CBStew on February 10, 2018, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 10, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
FUCKING FINALLY.
1. Lester
2. Darvish
3. Hendricks
4. Quintana
5. Chatwood
That's more like it.
I am going to miss Arrieta.
Me too, but he clearly wanted to be gone. Looks like we'll see him in October.
I don't think he wanted to be gone, I think he wants to be paid as the guy who was a top 5 pitcher over the last four seasons but the Cubs more than anyone got to take a good close up look at his drop in velocity and figured 2018-2023 Jake is not going to be as good of a bet as 2018-2023 Darvish
He apparently listed his house the day the season ended. He either wanted to be gone, or simply knew he wasn't going to be back.
Quote from: Canadouche on February 11, 2018, 07:17:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 10, 2018, 07:07:23 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on February 10, 2018, 06:44:36 PM
Quote from: CBStew on February 10, 2018, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 10, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
FUCKING FINALLY.
1. Lester
2. Darvish
3. Hendricks
4. Quintana
5. Chatwood
That's more like it.
I am going to miss Arrieta.
Me too, but he clearly wanted to be gone. Looks like we'll see him in October.
I don't think he wanted to be gone, I think he wants to be paid as the guy who was a top 5 pitcher over the last four seasons but the Cubs more than anyone got to take a good close up look at his drop in velocity and figured 2018-2023 Jake is not going to be as good of a bet as 2018-2023 Darvish
He apparently listed his house the day the season ended. He either wanted to be gone, or simply knew he wasn't going to be back.
He rented that house.
Quote from: Brownie on February 11, 2018, 07:38:33 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on February 11, 2018, 07:17:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 10, 2018, 07:07:23 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on February 10, 2018, 06:44:36 PM
Quote from: CBStew on February 10, 2018, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 10, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
FUCKING FINALLY.
1. Lester
2. Darvish
3. Hendricks
4. Quintana
5. Chatwood
That's more like it.
I am going to miss Arrieta.
Me too, but he clearly wanted to be gone. Looks like we'll see him in October.
I don't think he wanted to be gone, I think he wants to be paid as the guy who was a top 5 pitcher over the last four seasons but the Cubs more than anyone got to take a good close up look at his drop in velocity and figured 2018-2023 Jake is not going to be as good of a bet as 2018-2023 Darvish
He apparently listed his house the day the season ended. He either wanted to be gone, or simply knew he wasn't going to be back.
He rented that house.
Apparently the Cubs made a significant offer to Arrieta (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/jake-arrieta-reportedly-turned-down-big-money-from-cubs-before-they-signed-yu-darvish/), that he turned down, before they signed Darvish.
Quote from: CBStew on February 11, 2018, 05:39:15 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 11, 2018, 10:02:08 AM
Quote from: Tonker on February 11, 2018, 01:53:31 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 10, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
FUCKING FINALLY.
1. Lester
2. Darvish
3. Hendricks
4. Quintana
5. Chatwood
That's more like it.
Actually, Fangraphs has it more like:
1. Quintana (4.9 zWAR)
2. Yood Arvish (4.0)
3. Lester (3.5)
4. Hendricks (3.2)
5. Chatwood (1.7)
... on which basis, the Cubs have added their top two starters in the last six months. EPSTINK IS TERRIBLE.
Arrieta is projected for 3.0 zWAR and Johnny Longball just 1.6, by the way.
Also WAR consistently underrates Hendricks anyway bc it refuses to believe his success is legitimate since he doesn't have a gaudy FIP, but he's done it for almost four years now so
Yooda Vish?
Darvanzo beans
before the Darvish signing PECOTA had the Cubs at 89 wins, Fangraphs had them at 92. Now 92 and 94 respectively. considering how conservative PECOTA especially tends to be I'll take it. Much more breathing room in the division and now I really like any postseason rotation they could put together if everyone is healthy.
Test
Quote from: Andy on February 12, 2018, 10:36:28 AM
Test
Not a test. (https://twitter.com/miklasz/status/963068725317570560)
Andy gains a co-worker, and perhaps some readers just west of the Mississippi.
Quote from: Shooter on February 12, 2018, 08:53:11 AM
Quote from: CBStew on February 11, 2018, 05:39:15 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 11, 2018, 10:02:08 AM
Quote from: Tonker on February 11, 2018, 01:53:31 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 10, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
FUCKING FINALLY.
1. Lester
2. Darvish
3. Hendricks
4. Quintana
5. Chatwood
That's more like it.
Actually, Fangraphs has it more like:
1. Quintana (4.9 zWAR)
2. Yood Arvish (4.0)
3. Lester (3.5)
4. Hendricks (3.2)
5. Chatwood (1.7)
... on which basis, the Cubs have added their top two starters in the last six months. EPSTINK IS TERRIBLE.
Arrieta is projected for 3.0 zWAR and Johnny Longball just 1.6, by the way.
Also WAR consistently underrates Hendricks anyway bc it refuses to believe his success is legitimate since he doesn't have a gaudy FIP, but he's done it for almost four years now so
Yooda Vish?
Darvanzo beans
I positive this.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 10, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
FUCKING FINALLY.
1. Lester
2. Darvish
3. Hendricks
4. Quintana
5. Chatwood
That's more like it.
In your face, laptop humpers.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 28, 2018, 11:02:28 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 10, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
FUCKING FINALLY.
1. Lester
2. Darvish
3. Hendricks
4. Quintana
5. Chatwood
That's more like it.
In your face, laptop humpers.
Pretty sure they made Lester the opening day starter bc then he misses the right handed thumpers in Milwaukee's lineup. Not that I care, Jon is the balls.
Quote from: SKO on February 28, 2018, 11:34:22 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 28, 2018, 11:02:28 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 10, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
FUCKING FINALLY.
1. Lester
2. Darvish
3. Hendricks
4. Quintana
5. Chatwood
That's more like it.
In your face, laptop humpers.
Pretty sure they made Lester the opening day starter bc then he misses the right handed thumpers in Milwaukee's lineup. Not that I care, Jon is the balls.
Also, does anyone really still believe that rotation order matters?
Quote from: Oleg on February 28, 2018, 11:41:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 28, 2018, 11:34:22 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 28, 2018, 11:02:28 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 10, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
FUCKING FINALLY.
1. Lester
2. Darvish
3. Hendricks
4. Quintana
5. Chatwood
That's more like it.
In your face, laptop humpers.
Pretty sure they made Lester the opening day starter bc then he misses the right handed thumpers in Milwaukee's lineup. Not that I care, Jon is the balls.
Also, does anyone really still believe that rotation order matters?
Yeah the Cubs in Joe's time have never used the same starter for game 1 of the playoffs that started opening day. Arrieta was clearly the better pitcher in 2015 and got the WC game, Lester/Hendricks was a toss up in 2016 but the Giants were more vulnerable to lefties so Joe went with Jon in Game 1 of the 2016 LDS. Last year Hendricks was the clear answer for game 1 against the Nats. However it shakes out during the regular season the one aspect of Joe's managing I've probably never bitched about is how he's set up his playoff rotations.
Quote from: SKO on February 28, 2018, 11:47:26 AM
Quote from: Oleg on February 28, 2018, 11:41:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 28, 2018, 11:34:22 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 28, 2018, 11:02:28 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 10, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
FUCKING FINALLY.
1. Lester
2. Darvish
3. Hendricks
4. Quintana
5. Chatwood
That’s more like it.
In your face, laptop humpers.
Pretty sure they made Lester the opening day starter bc then he misses the right handed thumpers in Milwaukee's lineup. Not that I care, Jon is the balls.
Also, does anyone really still believe that rotation order matters?
Yeah the Cubs in Joe's time have never used the same starter for game 1 of the playoffs that started opening day. Arrieta was clearly the better pitcher in 2015 and got the WC game, Lester/Hendricks was a toss up in 2016 but the Giants were more vulnerable to lefties so Joe went with Jon in Game 1 of the 2016 LDS. Last year Hendricks was the clear answer for game 1 against the Nats. However it shakes out during the regular season the one aspect of Joe's managing I've probably never bitched about is how he's set up his playoff rotations.
Give it time.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 28, 2018, 11:48:32 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 28, 2018, 11:47:26 AM
Quote from: Oleg on February 28, 2018, 11:41:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 28, 2018, 11:34:22 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 28, 2018, 11:02:28 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 10, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
FUCKING FINALLY.
1. Lester
2. Darvish
3. Hendricks
4. Quintana
5. Chatwood
That's more like it.
In your face, laptop humpers.
Pretty sure they made Lester the opening day starter bc then he misses the right handed thumpers in Milwaukee's lineup. Not that I care, Jon is the balls.
Also, does anyone really still believe that rotation order matters?
Yeah the Cubs in Joe's time have never used the same starter for game 1 of the playoffs that started opening day. Arrieta was clearly the better pitcher in 2015 and got the WC game, Lester/Hendricks was a toss up in 2016 but the Giants were more vulnerable to lefties so Joe went with Jon in Game 1 of the 2016 LDS. Last year Hendricks was the clear answer for game 1 against the Nats. However it shakes out during the regular season the one aspect of Joe's managing I've probably never bitched about is how he's set up his playoff rotations.
Give it time.
I also said "probably" never bitched about bc I don't remember it but I also maybe definitely did to that at some point who knows.
As much as I've been advocating for Almora to get 150 starts in center, it's looking increasingly likely that he'll be in another platoon, this time with Happ, which would not only be an improvement over JUSTICE BUTTHOLE, but based on the white-hot start Happ's had in the Cactus League, is something I could live with. I have actually been on record as suggesting Happ might have a bit of a regression in his second year, but holy shit if he can actually improve, and play passable centerfield, then Almora may just have to wait a little longer. Supposedly, when asked, last year, which player he expected to break out, Epstein said Contreras, and he was proven spot-on. When asked the same question this year, he said Happ.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on March 01, 2018, 05:04:27 PM
As much as I've been advocating for Almora to get 150 starts in center, it's looking increasingly likely that he'll be in another platoon, this time with Happ, which would not only be an improvement over JUSTICE BUTTHOLE, but based on the white-hot start Happ's had in the Cactus League, is something I could live with. I have actually been on record as suggesting Happ might have a bit of a regression in his second year, but holy shit if he can actually improve, and play passable centerfield, then Almora may just have to wait a little longer. Supposedly, when asked, last year, which player he expected to break out, Epstein said Contreras, and he was proven spot-on. When asked the same question this year, he said Happ.
And Micah Hoffpauir has been the league's greatest hitter ever since that torrid start in the Cactus League back in 2008.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on March 01, 2018, 05:54:45 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on March 01, 2018, 05:04:27 PM
As much as I've been advocating for Almora to get 150 starts in center, it's looking increasingly likely that he'll be in another platoon, this time with Happ, which would not only be an improvement over JUSTICE BUTTHOLE, but based on the white-hot start Happ's had in the Cactus League, is something I could live with. I have actually been on record as suggesting Happ might have a bit of a regression in his second year, but holy shit if he can actually improve, and play passable centerfield, then Almora may just have to wait a little longer. Supposedly, when asked, last year, which player he expected to break out, Epstein said Contreras, and he was proven spot-on. When asked the same question this year, he said Happ.
And Micah Hoffpauir has been the league's greatest hitter ever since that torrid start in the Cactus League back in 2008.
I have a recollection of Hank White just PWNING the Cactus League one year but can't remember if it actually happened.
I feel like people don't give enough consideration to the fact that Happ's rookie campaign was as good, or better than Schwarber's.
Quote from: Canadouche on March 02, 2018, 07:37:17 AM
I feel like people don't give enough consideration to the fact that Happ's rookie campaign was as good, or better than Schwarber's.
My recollection is that Schwarber had a decent rookie season, but it was that year's postseason where he stole our hearts. *swoons*
Quote from: Canadouche on March 02, 2018, 07:37:17 AM
I feel like people don't give enough consideration to the fact that Happ's rookie campaign was as good, or better than Schwarber's.
Schwarber was arguably the best hitter of all of the Cubs Core 4 Prospects (which originally were Almora/Soler/Bryant/Baez but I think by 2015 we had all decided were actually Bryant/Schwarber/Russell/Soler or whatever) and then he hit more homers in his first 50 games in the majors than anyone not named Albert Pujols, I think, and it was also in the midst of the first contending season for the Cubs in seven years. It just felt like the arrival of one of the promised ones.
Happ came after that first wave, after the title, after many of us had probably already written him off as trade bait more than anything. There just wasn't the breathless study of his minor league stats or anticipation about his arrival there were for the others, plus I think a lot of us kept waiting for the other shoe to drop because up until last year he was never really supposed to be a power hitter. Zobrist-Lite was the projection, a dude who'd hit .280/.350/.450 with 15 dingers and plenty of doubles. That's awesome but not the kinda prospect you get a raging scout-boner over. It would seem at this point though that the power is for real and he's probably a much better hitter than we anticipated. That is exciting.
DPD but I also think it's worth noting that Schwarber's arrival in the majors coincided with the 2015 Cubs getting hotter than shit and going from a middling, barely above water team at the all star break to the unstoppable juggernaut they would be for most of 2016, so it was all good vibes, whereas Happ's awesome early hot start was kind of overlooked because the team was inexplicably struggling early last year and fans were pissed.
Quote from: SKO on March 02, 2018, 08:13:01 AM
DPD but I also think it's worth noting that Schwarber's arrival in the majors coincided with the 2015 Cubs getting hotter than shit and going from a middling, barely above water team at the all star break to the unstoppable juggernaut they would be for most of 2016, so it was all good vibes, whereas Happ's awesome early hot start was kind of overlooked because the team was inexplicably struggling early last year and fans were pissed.
For sure, Schwarber is beloved not only for his prodigious bat, but also for his big personality and clutch playoff performances.
Quote from: Canadouche on March 02, 2018, 09:00:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 02, 2018, 08:13:01 AM
DPD but I also think it's worth noting that Schwarber's arrival in the majors coincided with the 2015 Cubs getting hotter than shit and going from a middling, barely above water team at the all star break to the unstoppable juggernaut they would be for most of 2016, so it was all good vibes, whereas Happ's awesome early hot start was kind of overlooked because the team was inexplicably struggling early last year and fans were pissed.
For sure, Schwarber is beloved not only for his prodigious bat, but also for his big personality and clutch playoff performances.
But mostly for the bat.
Happ 2017 413 PAs 113 wRC+
Schwarber 2015 273 PAs, 131 wRC+
I know I'm supposed to be the Schwarber hater but for fucks sake Kurt. Even last year he was league average for the year as a whole.
Quote from: Oleg on March 02, 2018, 12:10:37 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on March 02, 2018, 09:00:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 02, 2018, 08:13:01 AM
DPD but I also think it's worth noting that Schwarber's arrival in the majors coincided with the 2015 Cubs getting hotter than shit and going from a middling, barely above water team at the all star break to the unstoppable juggernaut they would be for most of 2016, so it was all good vibes, whereas Happ's awesome early hot start was kind of overlooked because the team was inexplicably struggling early last year and fans were pissed.
For sure, Schwarber is beloved not only for his prodigious bat, but also for his big personality and clutch playoff performances.
But mostly for the bat.
Happ 2017 413 PAs 113 wRC+
Schwarber 2015 273 PAs, 131 wRC+
I know I'm supposed to be the Schwarber hater but for fucks sake Kurt. Even last year he was league average for the year as a whole.
It does my heart good to see arguments like these. "Which of our players is the most head and shoulders above the rest of the League's players at his position?"
Quote from: Oleg on March 02, 2018, 12:10:37 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on March 02, 2018, 09:00:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 02, 2018, 08:13:01 AM
DPD but I also think it's worth noting that Schwarber's arrival in the majors coincided with the 2015 Cubs getting hotter than shit and going from a middling, barely above water team at the all star break to the unstoppable juggernaut they would be for most of 2016, so it was all good vibes, whereas Happ's awesome early hot start was kind of overlooked because the team was inexplicably struggling early last year and fans were pissed.
For sure, Schwarber is beloved not only for his prodigious bat, but also for his big personality and clutch playoff performances.
But mostly for the bat.
Happ 2017 413 PAs 113 wRC+
Schwarber 2015 273 PAs, 131 wRC+
I know I'm supposed to be the Schwarber hater but for fucks sake Kurt. Even last year he was league average for the year as a whole.
When did you become a Schwarber hater? I thought that, like everything else stupid and wrong, was just Chuck's job
Quote from: SKO on March 02, 2018, 12:34:15 PM
Quote from: Oleg on March 02, 2018, 12:10:37 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on March 02, 2018, 09:00:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 02, 2018, 08:13:01 AM
DPD but I also think it's worth noting that Schwarber's arrival in the majors coincided with the 2015 Cubs getting hotter than shit and going from a middling, barely above water team at the all star break to the unstoppable juggernaut they would be for most of 2016, so it was all good vibes, whereas Happ's awesome early hot start was kind of overlooked because the team was inexplicably struggling early last year and fans were pissed.
For sure, Schwarber is beloved not only for his prodigious bat, but also for his big personality and clutch playoff performances.
But mostly for the bat.
Happ 2017 413 PAs 113 wRC+
Schwarber 2015 273 PAs, 131 wRC+
I know I'm supposed to be the Schwarber hater but for fucks sake Kurt. Even last year he was league average for the year as a whole.
When did you become a Schwarber hater? I thought that, like everything else stupid and wrong, was just Chuck's job
It's a Slack-generated meme borne of the time when Oleg would--and would otherwise likely still--unapologetically clamor for a Schwarber-for-Chris-Archer deal
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on March 02, 2018, 01:55:37 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 02, 2018, 12:34:15 PM
Quote from: Oleg on March 02, 2018, 12:10:37 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on March 02, 2018, 09:00:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 02, 2018, 08:13:01 AM
DPD but I also think it's worth noting that Schwarber's arrival in the majors coincided with the 2015 Cubs getting hotter than shit and going from a middling, barely above water team at the all star break to the unstoppable juggernaut they would be for most of 2016, so it was all good vibes, whereas Happ's awesome early hot start was kind of overlooked because the team was inexplicably struggling early last year and fans were pissed.
For sure, Schwarber is beloved not only for his prodigious bat, but also for his big personality and clutch playoff performances.
But mostly for the bat.
Happ 2017 413 PAs 113 wRC+
Schwarber 2015 273 PAs, 131 wRC+
I know I'm supposed to be the Schwarber hater but for fucks sake Kurt. Even last year he was league average for the year as a whole.
When did you become a Schwarber hater? I thought that, like everything else stupid and wrong, was just Chuck's job
It's a Slack-generated meme borne of the time when Oleg would--and would otherwise likely still--unapologetically clamor for a Schwarber-for-Chris-Archer deal
How dare he propose something like that
(I would absolutely have made that trade before the Quintana deal)
Quote from: SKO on March 02, 2018, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on March 02, 2018, 01:55:37 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 02, 2018, 12:34:15 PM
Quote from: Oleg on March 02, 2018, 12:10:37 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on March 02, 2018, 09:00:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 02, 2018, 08:13:01 AM
DPD but I also think it's worth noting that Schwarber's arrival in the majors coincided with the 2015 Cubs getting hotter than shit and going from a middling, barely above water team at the all star break to the unstoppable juggernaut they would be for most of 2016, so it was all good vibes, whereas Happ's awesome early hot start was kind of overlooked because the team was inexplicably struggling early last year and fans were pissed.
For sure, Schwarber is beloved not only for his prodigious bat, but also for his big personality and clutch playoff performances.
But mostly for the bat.
Happ 2017 413 PAs 113 wRC+
Schwarber 2015 273 PAs, 131 wRC+
I know I'm supposed to be the Schwarber hater but for fucks sake Kurt. Even last year he was league average for the year as a whole.
When did you become a Schwarber hater? I thought that, like everything else stupid and wrong, was just Chuck's job
It's a Slack-generated meme borne of the time when Oleg would--and would otherwise likely still--unapologetically clamor for a Schwarber-for-Chris-Archer deal
How dare he propose something like that
(I would absolutely have made that trade before the Quintana deal)
Well that's part of what makes it a meme. Deep down I don't know that anybody would really object to it. It was Oleg, though, who was thrown into the burnshing of the meme since he was the one who had the temerity to suggest it so now he must be reminded of his ungrateful awfulness at every corner.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on March 02, 2018, 02:15:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 02, 2018, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on March 02, 2018, 01:55:37 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 02, 2018, 12:34:15 PM
Quote from: Oleg on March 02, 2018, 12:10:37 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on March 02, 2018, 09:00:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 02, 2018, 08:13:01 AM
DPD but I also think it's worth noting that Schwarber's arrival in the majors coincided with the 2015 Cubs getting hotter than shit and going from a middling, barely above water team at the all star break to the unstoppable juggernaut they would be for most of 2016, so it was all good vibes, whereas Happ's awesome early hot start was kind of overlooked because the team was inexplicably struggling early last year and fans were pissed.
For sure, Schwarber is beloved not only for his prodigious bat, but also for his big personality and clutch playoff performances.
But mostly for the bat.
Happ 2017 413 PAs 113 wRC+
Schwarber 2015 273 PAs, 131 wRC+
I know I'm supposed to be the Schwarber hater but for fucks sake Kurt. Even last year he was league average for the year as a whole.
When did you become a Schwarber hater? I thought that, like everything else stupid and wrong, was just Chuck's job
It's a Slack-generated meme borne of the time when Oleg would--and would otherwise likely still--unapologetically clamor for a Schwarber-for-Chris-Archer deal
How dare he propose something like that
(I would absolutely have made that trade before the Quintana deal)
Well that's part of what makes it a meme. Deep down I don't know that anybody would really object to it. It was Oleg, though, who was thrown into the burnshing of the meme since he was the one who had the temerity to suggest it so now he must be reminded of his ungrateful awfulness at every corner.
I mean even now it's nigh impossible in a vacuum to argue that 4 years of Archer for 34 mildo isn't worth a guy who was technically replacement level by bWAR last year, but with Quintana and Darvish in the fold I'd say the Cubs need the potential of Schwarber's bat more than yet another good rotation arm.
But I agree we should burn Oleg for his heresy.
Sorry I'm late. We finally burning heretics?
Quote from: Oleg on March 02, 2018, 12:10:37 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on March 02, 2018, 09:00:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 02, 2018, 08:13:01 AM
DPD but I also think it's worth noting that Schwarber's arrival in the majors coincided with the 2015 Cubs getting hotter than shit and going from a middling, barely above water team at the all star break to the unstoppable juggernaut they would be for most of 2016, so it was all good vibes, whereas Happ's awesome early hot start was kind of overlooked because the team was inexplicably struggling early last year and fans were pissed.
For sure, Schwarber is beloved not only for his prodigious bat, but also for his big personality and clutch playoff performances.
But mostly for the bat.
Happ 2017 413 PAs 113 wRC+
Schwarber 2015 273 PAs, 131 wRC+
I know I'm supposed to be the Schwarber hater but for fucks sake Kurt. Even last year he was league average for the year as a whole.
I don't think you can position me as being negative on Schwarber, but instead, as being positive on Happ.
Holy hell guys.
What Stew said.
Quote from: flannj on March 02, 2018, 07:17:46 PM
Holy hell guys.
What Stew said.
Epstink is still terrible.
Quote from: Canadouche on March 02, 2018, 06:10:09 PM
Quote from: Oleg on March 02, 2018, 12:10:37 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on March 02, 2018, 09:00:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 02, 2018, 08:13:01 AM
DPD but I also think it's worth noting that Schwarber's arrival in the majors coincided with the 2015 Cubs getting hotter than shit and going from a middling, barely above water team at the all star break to the unstoppable juggernaut they would be for most of 2016, so it was all good vibes, whereas Happ's awesome early hot start was kind of overlooked because the team was inexplicably struggling early last year and fans were pissed.
For sure, Schwarber is beloved not only for his prodigious bat, but also for his big personality and clutch playoff performances.
But mostly for the bat.
Happ 2017 413 PAs 113 wRC+
Schwarber 2015 273 PAs, 131 wRC+
I know I'm supposed to be the Schwarber hater but for fucks sake Kurt. Even last year he was league average for the year as a whole.
I don't think you can position me as being negative on Schwarber, but instead, as being positive on Happ.
I was just replying to this.
Quote from: Canadouche on March 02, 2018, 07:37:17 AM
I feel like people don't give enough consideration to the fact that Happ's rookie campaign was as good, or better than Schwarber's.
Quote from: Oleg on March 05, 2018, 08:52:11 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on March 02, 2018, 06:10:09 PM
Quote from: Oleg on March 02, 2018, 12:10:37 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on March 02, 2018, 09:00:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 02, 2018, 08:13:01 AM
DPD but I also think it's worth noting that Schwarber's arrival in the majors coincided with the 2015 Cubs getting hotter than shit and going from a middling, barely above water team at the all star break to the unstoppable juggernaut they would be for most of 2016, so it was all good vibes, whereas Happ's awesome early hot start was kind of overlooked because the team was inexplicably struggling early last year and fans were pissed.
For sure, Schwarber is beloved not only for his prodigious bat, but also for his big personality and clutch playoff performances.
But mostly for the bat.
Happ 2017 413 PAs 113 wRC+
Schwarber 2015 273 PAs, 131 wRC+
I know I'm supposed to be the Schwarber hater but for fucks sake Kurt. Even last year he was league average for the year as a whole.
I don't think you can position me as being negative on Schwarber, but instead, as being positive on Happ.
I was just replying to this.
Quote from: Canadouche on March 02, 2018, 07:37:17 AM
I feel like people don't give enough consideration to the fact that Happ's rookie campaign was as good, or better than Schwarber's.
I felt like there was an implication that by talking about how good Happ was, I must've been hating on Schwarber. Why can't we be insanely stoked for both?
I just printed out this article, posted it on the bulletin board in my office and circled it in mustard.
Dallas Keuchel on Astros' World Series hangover: 'We're not the Cubs' (https://sports.yahoo.com/dallas-keuchel-astros-world-series-hangover-not-cubs-221025401.html?utm_content=socialflow&utm_campaign=yahoosports&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social)
Quote from: PenFoe on March 08, 2018, 05:39:36 PM
I just printed out this article, posted it on the bulletin board in my office and circled it in mustard.
Dallas Keuchel on Astros' World Series hangover: 'We're not the Cubs' (https://sports.yahoo.com/dallas-keuchel-astros-world-series-hangover-not-cubs-221025401.html?utm_content=socialflow&utm_campaign=yahoosports&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social)
That's correct. It has been 80 years, not 13, since the Cubs have last been swept in a World Series.
Jake to the Phils, 3 years 75 million.