FIRE SOME
TRADE OTHERS
LAUNCH DANIEL MURPHY AND ADDISON RUSSELL DIRECTLY INTO THE SUN
SIGN GOOD PLAYERS
WIN THE WORLD SERIES
LET'S DO THIS
Pick up the option on Hamels. Not so much on Kintzler.
If it's an either/or proposition, get Machado over Harper.
Maybe see how much Kimbrel is asking for.
Untouchable: Rizzo, Baez, Bryant, Contreras, Lester, Hendricks, Strop, Zobrist
Unmovable: Heyward, (probably) Chatwalk, Darvish
Don't hang up immediately if an offer comes in: Schwarber, Quintana, Happ, Edwards
Adios: Murphy, Wilson, Russell, all the bullpen rentals (I, for one, don't expect the Jesse Chavez lightning-in-a-bottle experience to continue)
Anybody else, all options are on the table.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 03, 2018, 08:55:03 AM
Pick up the option on Hamels. Not so much on Kintzler.
If it's an either/or proposition, get Machado over Harper.
Maybe see how much Kimbrel is asking for.
Untouchable: Rizzo, Baez, Bryant, Contreras, Lester, Hendricks, Strop, Zobrist
Unmovable: Heyward, (probably) Chatwalk, Darvish
Don't hang up immediately if an offer comes in: Schwarber, Quintana, Happ, Edwards
Adios: Murphy, Wilson, Russell, all the bullpen rentals (I, for one, don't expect the Jesse Chavez lightning-in-a-bottle experience to continue)
Anybody else, all options are on the table.
Chatwalk is probably moveable because there's not *that* much money left on the deal that the Cubs won't pick a chunk of it up
Quote from: Yeti on October 03, 2018, 10:07:59 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 03, 2018, 08:55:03 AM
Pick up the option on Hamels. Not so much on Kintzler.
If it's an either/or proposition, get Machado over Harper.
Maybe see how much Kimbrel is asking for.
Untouchable: Rizzo, Baez, Bryant, Contreras, Lester, Hendricks, Strop, Zobrist
Unmovable: Heyward, (probably) Chatwalk, Darvish
Don't hang up immediately if an offer comes in: Schwarber, Quintana, Happ, Edwards
Adios: Murphy, Wilson, Russell, all the bullpen rentals (I, for one, don't expect the Jesse Chavez lightning-in-a-bottle experience to continue)
Anybody else, all options are on the table.
Chatwalk is probably moveable because there's not *that* much money left on the deal that the Cubs won't pick a chunk of it up
Yeah. The Cubs will make it clear to him that his services are no longer required, I guess, and should be able to find somebody who fancies a low-cost reclamation project.
Also, Zobrist is untouchable? Don't get me wrong, I love the dude like a brother, but if somebody wants to take him off the Cubs' hands for the last year of his deal and have something worthwhile to give back, I'd at least listen.
Stupid fucking FORKGM.
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Quote from: Yeti on October 03, 2018, 10:07:59 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 03, 2018, 08:55:03 AM
Pick up the option on Hamels. Not so much on Kintzler.
If it's an either/or proposition, get Machado over Harper.
Maybe see how much Kimbrel is asking for.
Untouchable: Rizzo, Baez, Bryant, Contreras, Lester, Hendricks, Strop, Zobrist
Unmovable: Heyward, (probably) Chatwalk, Darvish
Don't hang up immediately if an offer comes in: Schwarber, Quintana, Happ, Edwards
Adios: Murphy, Wilson, Russell, all the bullpen rentals (I, for one, don't expect the Jesse Chavez lightning-in-a-bottle experience to continue)
Anybody else, all options are on the table.
Chatwalk is probably moveable because there's not *that* much money left on the deal that the Cubs won't pick a chunk of it up
Yeah. The Cubs will make it clear to him that his services are no longer required, I guess, and should be able to find somebody who fancies a low-cost reclamation project.
Also, Zobrist is untouchable? Don't get me wrong, I love the dude like a brother, but if somebody wants to take him off the Cubs' hands for the last year of his deal and have something worthwhile to give back, I'd at least listen.
Stupid fucking FORKGM.
For what Zobrist provides, and the fact that 2019 is the dive year in his contract (only $12.5MM), yeah. At least until Happ can prove to be a reliable Zobrist 2.0.
Chatwalk is still at 2/25.5, so the Cubs would have to eat at least 15 of that to get someone willing to bite on him.
The guy I'm interested to see on the trade market is Montgomery. You know he wants to be a full-time starter, something the Cubs can't offer. He's got all three arbitration years left, so he's probably looking pretty damn enticing to someone.
I'm in favor of either picking up Hamels' option or working out a decline-but-re-sign, and a short extension for Chavez. Both were truly excellent as Cubs and I think it's worth the modest investment to see if they have one last hurrah in them, invigorated by playing for a wire to wire contender.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 03, 2018, 01:50:05 PM
I'm in favor of either picking up Hamels' option or working out a decline-but-re-sign, and a short extension for Chavez. Both were truly excellent as Cubs and I think it's worth the modest investment to see if they have one last hurrah in them, invigorated by playing for a wire to wire contender.
I'm a little skeptical of a pitcher in his mid-30s continuing to rack up an FIP two runs below his career mark, and a WHIP .550 below his career mark. Pass on Chavez.
Man, Hamels is great and all but I want them to break the goddamn bank.
Harper, Corbin, and Kimbrel.
Quote from: Oleg on October 03, 2018, 04:03:29 PM
Man, Hamels is great and all but I want them to break the goddamn bank.
Harper, Corbin, and Kimbrel.
Come on, Oleg. If you are going to daydream go all the way...Roy Hobbs.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 03, 2018, 03:40:53 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 03, 2018, 01:50:05 PM
I'm in favor of either picking up Hamels' option or working out a decline-but-re-sign, and a short extension for Chavez. Both were truly excellent as Cubs and I think it's worth the modest investment to see if they have one last hurrah in them, invigorated by playing for a wire to wire contender.
I'm a little skeptical of a pitcher in his mid-30s continuing to rack up an FIP two runs below his career mark, and a WHIP .550 below his career mark. Pass on Chavez.
What if there's reason to believe it's the result of a mechanical adjustment and not just pure luck (https://www.lonestarball.com/2018/7/23/17603526/jesse-chavezs-season-changing-arm-slot-adjustment), as you seem to be implying? And we're talking about, what, $5 million of the Rickettseseses' money here? It's worth trying.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 03, 2018, 05:18:25 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 03, 2018, 03:40:53 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 03, 2018, 01:50:05 PM
I'm in favor of either picking up Hamels' option or working out a decline-but-re-sign, and a short extension for Chavez. Both were truly excellent as Cubs and I think it's worth the modest investment to see if they have one last hurrah in them, invigorated by playing for a wire to wire contender.
I'm a little skeptical of a pitcher in his mid-30s continuing to rack up an FIP two runs below his career mark, and a WHIP .550 below his career mark. Pass on Chavez.
What if there's reason to believe it's the result of a mechanical adjustment and not just pure luck (https://www.lonestarball.com/2018/7/23/17603526/jesse-chavezs-season-changing-arm-slot-adjustment), as you seem to be implying? And we're talking about, what, $5 million of the Rickettseseses' money here? It's worth trying.
I'm on board with the "chuck $2MM at Chavez for another year". It shouldn't take $5MM - he already said he's either pitching for the Cubs, or he's retiring. I enjoy watching him pitch.
Quote from: Oleg on October 03, 2018, 04:03:29 PM
Man, Hamels is great and all but I want them to break the goddamn bank.
Harper, Corbin, trade for DeGrom and Kimbrel.
If we're shooting for the moon...
This. Exactly this. (https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-cubs-arent-a-dynasty-and-thats-okay/)
Quote from: Oleg on October 04, 2018, 10:51:57 AM
This. Exactly this. (https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-cubs-arent-a-dynasty-and-thats-okay/)
Some people have too much time on their hands.
Quote from: Oleg on October 03, 2018, 04:03:29 PM
Man, Hamels is great and all but I want them to break the goddamn bank.
Harper, Corbin, and Kimbrel.
Don't forget Machado.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 03, 2018, 12:09:13 PM
For what Zobrist provides, and the fact that 2019 is the dive year in his contract (only $12.5MM), yeah. At least until Happ can prove to be a reliable Zobrist 2.0.
So, never?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 05, 2018, 09:00:36 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 03, 2018, 04:03:29 PM
Man, Hamels is great and all but I want them to break the goddamn bank.
Harper, Corbin, and Kimbrel.
Don't forget Machado.
Don't forget Kershaw.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 05, 2018, 12:21:27 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 05, 2018, 09:00:36 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 03, 2018, 04:03:29 PM
Man, Hamels is great and all but I want them to break the goddamn bank.
Harper, Corbin, and Kimbrel.
Don't forget Machado.
Don't forget Kershaw.
He's scheduled to make $35MM each of the next two years. You think he can opt out and get that on the open market?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 05, 2018, 01:03:05 PM
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Quote from: Oleg on October 03, 2018, 04:03:29 PM
Man, Hamels is great and all but I want them to break the goddamn bank.
Harper, Corbin, and Kimbrel.
Don't forget Machado.
Don't forget Kershaw.
He's scheduled to make $35MM each of the next two years. You think he can opt out and get that on the open market?
We're breaking the goddamn bank here, so... yes?
Quote from: R-V on October 04, 2018, 09:28:18 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 03, 2018, 04:03:29 PM
Man, Hamels is great and all but I want them to break the goddamn bank.
Harper, Corbin, trade for DeGrom and Kimbrel.
If we're shooting for the moon...
I like the sentiment, but how?
Quote from: Shooter on October 05, 2018, 11:49:04 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 04, 2018, 09:28:18 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 03, 2018, 04:03:29 PM
Man, Hamels is great and all but I want them to break the goddamn bank.
Harper, Corbin, trade for DeGrom and Kimbrel.
If we're shooting for the moon...
I like the sentiment, but how?
See
Le Voyage Dans la Lun.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 05, 2018, 01:03:05 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 05, 2018, 12:21:27 PM
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Quote from: Oleg on October 03, 2018, 04:03:29 PM
Man, Hamels is great and all but I want them to break the goddamn bank.
Harper, Corbin, and Kimbrel.
Don't forget Machado.
Don't forget Kershaw.
He's scheduled to make $35MM each of the next two years. You think he can opt out and get that on the open market?
No, but he might be able to lock in that for the next two plus another $125mm in the following 4 years. Eliminates a lot of risk for him. And injury in the next 2 years and years 3-6 could be $-0-.
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Quote from: Oleg on October 03, 2018, 04:03:29 PM
Man, Hamels is great and all but I want them to break the goddamn bank.
Harper, Corbin, and Kimbrel.
Don't forget Machado.
Don't forget Kershaw.
He's scheduled to make $35MM each of the next two years. You think he can opt out and get that on the open market?
No, but he might be able to lock in that for the next two plus another $125mm in the following 4 years. Eliminates a lot of risk for him. And injury in the next 2 years and years 3-6 could be $-0-.
Let me see if I've got this straight:
He'll opt out of his remaining two-year, $65MM contract (AAV $32.5MM) and somebody will give Clayton Kershaw, who will be 31 when next season starts; has averaged around 160 innings a year the last three years, during which time his ERA has deteriorated from 1.69 to 2.73; his FIP has deteriorated from 1.80 to 3.19 (!); his WHIP has deteriorated from 0.725 to 1.041; and his fWAR has deteriorated from 6.5 to 3.5... SOMEBODY will give
that Clayton Kershaw a SIX year contract (until he's 37) with the low, low AAV of just $31.7MM.
That's what you're saying, right?
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Quote from: Oleg on October 03, 2018, 04:03:29 PM
Man, Hamels is great and all but I want them to break the goddamn bank.
Harper, Corbin, trade for DeGrom and Kimbrel.
If we're shooting for the moon...
I like the sentiment, but how?
See Le Voyage Dans la Lun.
You'll shoot your eye out.
Quote from: Shooter on October 05, 2018, 11:49:04 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 04, 2018, 09:28:18 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 03, 2018, 04:03:29 PM
Man, Hamels is great and all but I want them to break the goddamn bank.
Harper, Corbin, trade for DeGrom and Kimbrel.
If we're shooting for the moon...
I like the sentiment, but how?
Beats the hell out of me. This would be 98% dependent on the Mets doing something really stupid.
Quote from: R-V on October 08, 2018, 09:29:32 AM
Quote from: Shooter on October 05, 2018, 11:49:04 PM
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Quote from: Oleg on October 03, 2018, 04:03:29 PM
Man, Hamels is great and all but I want them to break the goddamn bank.
Harper, Corbin, trade for DeGrom and Kimbrel.
If we're shooting for the moon...
I like the sentiment, but how?
Beats the hell out of me. This would be 98% dependent on the Mets doing something really stupid.
Russell for DeGrom it is then.
Quote from: R-V on October 08, 2018, 09:29:32 AM
Quote from: Shooter on October 05, 2018, 11:49:04 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 04, 2018, 09:28:18 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 03, 2018, 04:03:29 PM
Man, Hamels is great and all but I want them to break the goddamn bank.
Harper, Corbin, trade for DeGrom and Kimbrel.
If we're shooting for the moon...
I like the sentiment, but how?
Beats the hell out of me. This would be 98% dependent on the Mets doing something really stupid.
Well, that's not unheard of.
Anthony Iapoce, come on down!
Finally the season is over. Now it's time to SPEND THE RICKETTS' MONEY (on anything other than funding Trump/GOP politics)! SPEND SPEND SPEND!
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 29, 2018, 11:10:54 AM
Finally the season is over. Now it's time to SPEND THE RICKETTS' MONEY (on anything other than funding Trump/GOP politics)! SPEND SPEND SPEND!
At first I read this as "...spend the Rocket's money...", making me wonder if there was an inter-sports cabal that I knew nothing about.
Quote from: CBStew on October 29, 2018, 05:17:32 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 29, 2018, 11:10:54 AM
Finally the season is over. Now it's time to SPEND THE RICKETTS' MONEY (on anything other than funding Trump/GOP politics)! SPEND SPEND SPEND!
At first I read this as "...spend the Rocket's money...", making me wonder if there was an inter-sports cabal that I knew nothing about.
But back to the point, that sure worked with Darvish, didn't it?
Quote from: CBStew on October 29, 2018, 05:19:53 PM
Quote from: CBStew on October 29, 2018, 05:17:32 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 29, 2018, 11:10:54 AM
Finally the season is over. Now it's time to SPEND THE RICKETTS' MONEY (on anything other than funding Trump/GOP politics)! SPEND SPEND SPEND!
At first I read this as "...spend the Rocket's money...", making me wonder if there was an inter-sports cabal that I knew nothing about.
But back to the point, that sure worked with Darvish, didn't it?
It's simple. If you sign all of the players, at least some of them will turn out to be good. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 29, 2018, 11:10:54 AM
Finally the season is over. Now it's time to SPEND THE RICKETTS' MONEY (on anything other than funding Trump/GOP politics)! SPEND SPEND SPEND!
So long as I get beer and souvlaki out of the deal, I'm down.
Cubs announce they'll exercise Quintana's 2019 club option. But we knew that already.
What is this crying poverty bullshit. Guess we're supposed to be happy with Cole Hamels, Jesse Chavez, and a bucket of balls when two generational talents are available as free agents in their 20s?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 07, 2018, 12:04:41 PM
What is this crying poverty bullshit. Guess we're supposed to be happy with Cole Hamels, Jesse Chavez, and a bucket of balls when two generational talents are available as free agents in their 20s?
I don't believe a word of that shit. With Hamels, Zobrist and Morrow (if they don't pick up his 2020 option) all due to roll off after the 2019 season, that's $41.5 million off the payroll. The following year is Lester and Chatwalk, another $32 million.
Even if they go over the luxury tax threshold this year, they'll be under after that. And they're in a championship window, and they're going to launch whatever TV/Streaming package they're cooking up.
Theo's going to go balls-deep to get another championship - I have no idea why they're faking austerity here.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 07, 2018, 04:50:25 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 07, 2018, 12:04:41 PM
What is this crying poverty bullshit. Guess we're supposed to be happy with Cole Hamels, Jesse Chavez, and a bucket of balls when two generational talents are available as free agents in their 20s?
I don't believe a word of that shit. With Hamels, Zobrist and Morrow (if they don't pick up his 2020 option) all due to roll off after the 2019 season, that's $41.5 million off the payroll. The following year is Lester and Chatwalk, another $32 million.
Even if they go over the luxury tax threshold this year, they'll be under after that. And they're in a championship window, and they're going to launch whatever TV/Streaming package they're cooking up.
Theo's going to go balls-deep to get another championship - I have no idea why they're faking austerity here.
If they don't even bother pursuing Harper or Machado and largely sit out this offseason due to "the budget," they deserve to have their asses handed to them by the Brewers next year. I'm tired of hearing that any improvement will have to come from the current roster when they're in a perfect position to supplement that roster with proven talent that costs only money, which they have plenty of. It's time to stop dreaming on guys when better alternatives to help you win are available.
Wasn't the whole point of adding all these new revenue streams to make it possible to take risks and make some mistakes in free agency (but still end up with players like, you know, BRYCE FUCKING HARPER, who would have led them in wRC+ last year)? And if they shrug as they bring back Daniel Murphy and/or Addison Russell and turn out their pockets so a moth can fly out, I'm reaching for my pitchfork.
The Cubs acquired Descalso because...?
1. They needed a guy with a 5 o'clock shadow instead of a beard for the team picture.
2. They needed someone over 30 as a chaperone on road trips.
3. ...(?)
Quote from: CBStew on December 19, 2018, 12:28:59 PM
The Cubs acquired Descalso because...?
1. They needed a guy with a 5 o'clock shadow instead of a beard for the team picture.
2. They needed someone over 30 as a chaperone on road trips.
3. ...(?)
Because we broke! Yep, we don't know how it happened but the Cubs no longer have any money. Brother, can you spare a dime?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on December 19, 2018, 09:59:21 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 19, 2018, 12:28:59 PM
The Cubs acquired Descalso because...?
1. They needed a guy with a 5 o'clock shadow instead of a beard for the team picture.
2. They needed someone over 30 as a chaperone on road trips.
3. ...(?)
Because we broke! Yep, we don't know how it happened but the Cubs no longer have any money. Brother, can you spare a dime?
The Cubs are undergoing a spareadime shift.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on December 20, 2018, 08:32:52 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on December 19, 2018, 09:59:21 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 19, 2018, 12:28:59 PM
The Cubs acquired Descalso because...?
1. They needed a guy with a 5 o'clock shadow instead of a beard for the team picture.
2. They needed someone over 30 as a chaperone on road trips.
3. ...(?)
Because we broke! Yep, we don't know how it happened but the Cubs no longer have any money. Brother, can you spare a dime?
The Cubs are undergoing a spareadime shift.
Plenty of money to air "Grown Assholes Who Love Beer and Assaulting Women Are Actually Good" ads, but good baseball players? You think we're made of money?!