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Re: Mark Prior - Someone else's problem
« Reply #300 on: December 12, 2013, 08:31:34 PM »
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 12, 2013, 08:27:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 12, 2013, 12:52:34 PM
Mark Prior, just an employee.



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No, Malory.

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Re: Mark Prior - Someone else's problem
« Reply #301 on: December 12, 2013, 08:33:49 PM »
Quote from: Eli on December 12, 2013, 08:31:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 12, 2013, 08:27:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 12, 2013, 12:52:34 PM
Mark Prior, just an employee.



Mark Prior
Director of Towel Operations

No, Malory.

That's Sterling Malory to you.
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Re: Mark Prior - Someone else's problem
« Reply #302 on: December 13, 2013, 08:52:44 AM »
TIME TO POST!

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You two wanna go stick your wangs in a hornet's nest, it's a free country.  But how come I always gotta get sloppy seconds, huh?

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Re: Mark Prior - Someone else's problem
« Reply #304 on: August 04, 2016, 03:41:20 PM »
Saw this on si.com this afternoon.

http://www.si.com/thecauldron/2016/08/03/mark-prior-chicago-cubs-no-regrets

Don't really have anything to say about it, but thought some of you guys might be interested.

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Re: Mark Prior - Someone else's problem
« Reply #305 on: August 04, 2016, 04:10:21 PM »
Quote from: J Rod on August 04, 2016, 03:41:20 PM
Saw this on si.com this afternoon.

http://www.si.com/thecauldron/2016/08/03/mark-prior-chicago-cubs-no-regrets

Don't really have anything to say about it, but thought some of you guys might be interested.

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Re: Mark Prior - Someone else's problem
« Reply #306 on: August 04, 2016, 04:11:20 PM »
Quote from: J Rod on August 04, 2016, 03:41:20 PM
Saw this on si.com this afternoon.

http://www.si.com/thecauldron/2016/08/03/mark-prior-chicago-cubs-no-regrets

Don't really have anything to say about it, but thought some of you guys might be interested.

It's a good article and I'm glad he's happy and the entire thing is sad as hell, but him saying "don't blame Dusty Baker" doesn't change shit about my opinion. Players always want to stay in the game. Players always want to win, so him saying "I never asked to come out, etc" doesn't move the needle at all. Managers have to save players from themselves and take a longer view of things. He even specifically says "people blaming Dusty for my arm troubles forget the Giles collision", but Dusty left him in the game after that collision!

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Re: Mark Prior - Someone else's problem
« Reply #307 on: August 05, 2016, 10:13:49 AM »
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2016, 04:11:20 PM
Quote from: J Rod on August 04, 2016, 03:41:20 PM
Saw this on si.com this afternoon.

http://www.si.com/thecauldron/2016/08/03/mark-prior-chicago-cubs-no-regrets

Don't really have anything to say about it, but thought some of you guys might be interested.

It's a good article and I'm glad he's happy and the entire thing is sad as hell, but him saying "don't blame Dusty Baker" doesn't change shit about my opinion. Players always want to stay in the game. Players always want to win, so him saying "I never asked to come out, etc" doesn't move the needle at all. Managers have to save players from themselves and take a longer view of things. He even specifically says "people blaming Dusty for my arm troubles forget the Giles collision", but Dusty left him in the game after that collision!



I'd say what you are describing here is the job of a General Manager.  Whatever you think of Dusty, his job is (was) to win as many games as possible in the current season, and if it means pitching the hell out of his best pitchers, well that's what he's going to do.  If pitch counts or steps need to be taken, that's for the GM to dictate to the manager, who is his employee.

I will agree the Giles thing was dumb, but for some reason the trainer didn't insist that Prior come out of that game and he eventually took the fall for it.

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Re: Mark Prior - Someone else's problem
« Reply #308 on: August 05, 2016, 10:22:06 AM »
Quote from: CT III on August 05, 2016, 10:13:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2016, 04:11:20 PM
Quote from: J Rod on August 04, 2016, 03:41:20 PM
Saw this on si.com this afternoon.

http://www.si.com/thecauldron/2016/08/03/mark-prior-chicago-cubs-no-regrets

Don't really have anything to say about it, but thought some of you guys might be interested.

It's a good article and I'm glad he's happy and the entire thing is sad as hell, but him saying "don't blame Dusty Baker" doesn't change shit about my opinion. Players always want to stay in the game. Players always want to win, so him saying "I never asked to come out, etc" doesn't move the needle at all. Managers have to save players from themselves and take a longer view of things. He even specifically says "people blaming Dusty for my arm troubles forget the Giles collision", but Dusty left him in the game after that collision!



I'd say what you are describing here is the job of a General Manager.  Whatever you think of Dusty, his job is (was) to win as many games as possible in the current season, and if it means pitching the hell out of his best pitchers, well that's what he's going to do.  If pitch counts or steps need to be taken, that's for the GM to dictate to the manager, who is his employee.

I will agree the Giles thing was dumb, but for some reason the trainer didn't insist that Prior come out of that game and he eventually took the fall for it.

Ehhh...there are still times when the pitcher abuse isn't even justifiable with that excuse. I mean look at game 2 of the NLCS when he sent Prior out there for the 7th with a nine run lead. The "trying to win as many games as possible" argument there is to pull him and save his bullets for his next start in the series.
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Re: Mark Prior - Someone else's problem
« Reply #309 on: August 05, 2016, 10:27:10 AM »
Quote from: CT III on August 05, 2016, 10:13:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2016, 04:11:20 PM
Quote from: J Rod on August 04, 2016, 03:41:20 PM
Saw this on si.com this afternoon.

http://www.si.com/thecauldron/2016/08/03/mark-prior-chicago-cubs-no-regrets

Don't really have anything to say about it, but thought some of you guys might be interested.

It's a good article and I'm glad he's happy and the entire thing is sad as hell, but him saying "don't blame Dusty Baker" doesn't change shit about my opinion. Players always want to stay in the game. Players always want to win, so him saying "I never asked to come out, etc" doesn't move the needle at all. Managers have to save players from themselves and take a longer view of things. He even specifically says "people blaming Dusty for my arm troubles forget the Giles collision", but Dusty left him in the game after that collision!



I'd say what you are describing here is the job of a General Manager.  Whatever you think of Dusty, his job is (was) to win as many games as possible in the current season, and if it means pitching the hell out of his best pitchers, well that's what he's going to do.  If pitch counts or steps need to be taken, that's for the GM to dictate to the manager, who is his employee.

I will agree the Giles thing was dumb, but for some reason the trainer didn't insist that Prior come out of that game and he eventually took the fall for it.

I still remember screaming at the radio for Dusty to take Prior out of Game 2 after the 5th inning. Fucking idiot.
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