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Dave B

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Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:41:24 PM
Looks like Heilman is free after this year as well. Let him and Gregg walk for sure.

Heilman is arbitration-eligible. Full free agfency is in 2011.
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Well fuck.

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Satanic Fowl free agents after the 2009 season:

The Genius

Matt Holliday

DeRo

Piniero

Ankiel

LaRue

Wellemeyer

Franklin

Glaus

Trever Miller

Krazy Khalil Greene

Cot's Contracts estimates the Fowl has $50.5 million in committed salary for 2010 (for comparison purposes, they estimate the Cubs have nearly $120 miilion on the line). That's a lot of money freed up, but that's a lot of talent to re-sign or replace. Albie has a $16 million club option in 2011.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 01:08:48 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 01:05:08 PM
Z: full no-trade clause

Soriano: full no-trade clause

Ramirez: full no-trade clause through 2010

D-Lee: no-trade clause

Lilly: no-trade protection

Fukudome: no-trade protection

(Info courtesy of Cot's Baseball Contracts)
With Lilly and Lee in contract years in 2010, I'm sure they could be coaxed to waive their clauses in exchange for contract extensions.  That is, if your goal is dismantling the team.

The others are not going anywhere.

Oh no!  You mean the Cubs are stuck with E-ramis and Z one more year of Kosuke?  Dooom!

The only bad contracts on the team are Soriano's (which we've known along would be bad, just not this soon) and maybe Dempster's. 

Blaming any future Cubs' woes on the long term contracts is just wrong.  Blaming it on no trades is just a little bit less wrong.

A good GM would do fine with this roster.

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Quote from: Andy on August 18, 2009, 04:35:09 PM
Oh no!  You mean the Cubs are stuck with E-ramis and Z one more year of Kosuke?  Dooom!

The only bad contracts on the team are Soriano's (which we've known along would be bad, just not this soon) and maybe Dempster's. 

Blaming any future Cubs' woes on the long term contracts is just wrong.  Blaming it on no trades is just a little bit less wrong.

A good GM would do fine with this roster.
The contracts are certainly a problem in 2010.  You are looking at at least $123 million for 13 players (assuming you offer arbitration to Guzman, Marshal and Marmol and that Harden does not return).  The other 12 get a minimum of $400,000.  Payroll for 2010 is not under $130 million without a major trade.

After that, it starts to get better.  By 2012, they only have $54 million committed to 3 players: Z, A Sor and Dempster.

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Quote from: Andy on August 18, 2009, 04:35:09 PM
A good GM would do fine with this roster.
A good GM would never have this roster.

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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 09:08:00 PM
Quote from: Andy on August 18, 2009, 04:35:09 PM
A good GM would do fine with this roster.
A good GM would never have this roster.
A good poster would not have taken four hours in between posts to come up with that little zinger.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 09:08:00 PM
Quote from: Andy on August 18, 2009, 04:35:09 PM
A good GM would do fine with this roster.
A good GM would never have this roster.

How's Hendry's contract in your opinion? I'm fascinated.

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This morning, I saw this disturbing nugget here http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

2009 payroll obligations for former players:

    * $3,187,432 (Luis Vizcaino) (plus $0.5M 2010 buyout)
    * $4,000,000 (est.) (Ryan Freel)


Can someone talk me out of throat punching myself over this.  The Cubs for the season are on the hook for over $7M for those two guys???   

That just doesn't seem possible.  Someone please tell me this isn't true.

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Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 12:29:42 PM
This morning, I saw this disturbing nugget here http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

2009 payroll obligations for former players:

    * $3,187,432 (Luis Vizcaino) (plus $0.5M 2010 buyout)
    * $4,000,000 (est.) (Ryan Freel)


Can someone talk me out of throat punching myself over this.  The Cubs for the season are on the hook for over $7M for those two guys???   

That just doesn't seem possible.  Someone please tell me this isn't true.

Jesus Fucking Christ

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Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 19, 2009, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 12:29:42 PM
This morning, I saw this disturbing nugget here http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

2009 payroll obligations for former players:

    * $3,187,432 (Luis Vizcaino) (plus $0.5M 2010 buyout)
    * $4,000,000 (est.) (Ryan Freel)


Can someone talk me out of throat punching myself over this.  The Cubs for the season are on the hook for over $7M for those two guys???   

That just doesn't seem possible.  Someone please tell me this isn't true.

Jesus Fucking Christ

Very helpful.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2839346

Yeah, he's owed through this season. I didn't know the Cubs took that money on though. It's off the books after this year regardless.

You should throat punch yourself because you have to watch that offense.

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Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 19, 2009, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 12:29:42 PM
This morning, I saw this disturbing nugget here http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

2009 payroll obligations for former players:

    * $3,187,432 (Luis Vizcaino) (plus $0.5M 2010 buyout)
    * $4,000,000 (est.) (Ryan Freel)


Can someone talk me out of throat punching myself over this.  The Cubs for the season are on the hook for over $7M for those two guys???   

That just doesn't seem possible.  Someone please tell me this isn't true.

Jesus Fucking Christ

Very helpful.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2839346

Yeah, he's owed through this season. I didn't know the Cubs took that money on though. It's off the books after this year regardless.

You should throat punch yourself because you have to watch that offense.

Looks like they didn't. Not that I'd expect the Ghost of LoneStar to look it up before rending his britches.

QuoteThe deal is cash-neutral, according to one source. The Cubs will pay the balance of Gathright's $800,000 salary for 2009 with the O's paying the balance of Freel's — about $3.3 million.

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Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 19, 2009, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 12:29:42 PM
This morning, I saw this disturbing nugget here http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

2009 payroll obligations for former players:

    * $3,187,432 (Luis Vizcaino) (plus $0.5M 2010 buyout)
    * $4,000,000 (est.) (Ryan Freel)


Can someone talk me out of throat punching myself over this.  The Cubs for the season are on the hook for over $7M for those two guys???   

That just doesn't seem possible.  Someone please tell me this isn't true.

Jesus Fucking Christ

Very helpful.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2839346

Yeah, he's owed through this season. I didn't know the Cubs took that money on though. It's off the books after this year regardless.

You should throat punch yourself because you have to watch that offense.

Looks like they didn't. Not that I'd expect the Ghost of LoneStar to look it up before rending his britches.

QuoteThe deal is cash-neutral, according to one source. The Cubs will pay the balance of Gathright's $800,000 salary for 2009 with the O's paying the balance of Freel's — about $3.3 million.

That's fuckin' teamwork.

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Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 02:11:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 19, 2009, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 12:29:42 PM
This morning, I saw this disturbing nugget here http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

2009 payroll obligations for former players:

    * $3,187,432 (Luis Vizcaino) (plus $0.5M 2010 buyout)
    * $4,000,000 (est.) (Ryan Freel)


Can someone talk me out of throat punching myself over this.  The Cubs for the season are on the hook for over $7M for those two guys???   

That just doesn't seem possible.  Someone please tell me this isn't true.

Jesus Fucking Christ

Very helpful.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2839346

Yeah, he's owed through this season. I didn't know the Cubs took that money on though. It's off the books after this year regardless.

You should throat punch yourself because you have to watch that offense.

Looks like they didn't. Not that I'd expect the Ghost of LoneStar to look it up before rending his britches.

QuoteThe deal is cash-neutral, according to one source. The Cubs will pay the balance of Gathright's $800,000 salary for 2009 with the O's paying the balance of Freel's — about $3.3 million.

That's fuckin' teamwork.

Thanks for the effort, RV.   

It seemed extremely odd that the Cubs would owe that much on Freel. 

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Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 02:14:01 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 02:11:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 19, 2009, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 19, 2009, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on August 19, 2009, 12:29:42 PM
This morning, I saw this disturbing nugget here http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

2009 payroll obligations for former players:

    * $3,187,432 (Luis Vizcaino) (plus $0.5M 2010 buyout)
    * $4,000,000 (est.) (Ryan Freel)


Can someone talk me out of throat punching myself over this.  The Cubs for the season are on the hook for over $7M for those two guys???   

That just doesn't seem possible.  Someone please tell me this isn't true.

Jesus Fucking Christ

Very helpful.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2839346

Yeah, he's owed through this season. I didn't know the Cubs took that money on though. It's off the books after this year regardless.

You should throat punch yourself because you have to watch that offense.

Looks like they didn't. Not that I'd expect the Ghost of LoneStar to look it up before rending his britches.

QuoteThe deal is cash-neutral, according to one source. The Cubs will pay the balance of Gathright's $800,000 salary for 2009 with the O's paying the balance of Freel's — about $3.3 million.

That's fuckin' teamwork.

Thanks for the effort, RV.   

It seemed extremely odd that the Cubs would owe that much on Freel. 

Have you not seen the CONTRACTS HENDRY GIVES OUT LIKE CANDY?