First pitch as a Cub. Dinger to Jean Segura. Good start!
Thanks for injuring Schwarber, John
CLOSE YOUR FUCKING MOUTH YOU PIECE OF SHIT
Send him back to St. Louis on the hood of a tow truck.
Quote from: SKO on April 08, 2016, 07:22:58 AM
CLOSE YOUR FUCKING MOUTH YOU PIECE OF SHIT
What's with the glaring, can't-make-my-eyes-not-see-it open mouthbreathing underbite of piano keys on this guy? AND STOP LEAVING PITCHES UP IN THE ZONE, YOU FOREVERCARDINAL!
Can I build a split-level firebarn for him and Joe Theismann?
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 08, 2016, 08:35:32 AM
Can I build a split-level firebarn for him and Joe Theismann?
I guess so, but if I'm going to Amish up for your barn raising/razing, I'm going to need to know what Joe Theismann has done recently to get lumped in with a cancer like Lackey. If it's anything New York Giants related, you're on your own.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 08, 2016, 09:24:54 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 08, 2016, 08:35:32 AM
Can I build a split-level firebarn for him and Joe Theismann?
I guess so, but if I'm going to Amish up for your barn raising/razing, I'm going to need to know what Joe Theismann has done recently to get lumped in with a cancer like Lackey.
Were you being coy with the word cancer or just lucky?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 08, 2016, 09:26:13 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 08, 2016, 09:24:54 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 08, 2016, 08:35:32 AM
Can I build a split-level firebarn for him and Joe Theismann?
I guess so, but if I'm going to Amish up for your barn raising/razing, I'm going to need to know what Joe Theismann has done recently to get lumped in with a cancer like Lackey.
Were you being coy with the word cancer or just lucky?
Emphasis mine and very intentional.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 08, 2016, 09:24:54 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 08, 2016, 08:35:32 AM
Can I build a split-level firebarn for him and Joe Theismann?
I guess so, but if I'm going to Amish up for your barn raising/razing, I'm going to need to know what Joe Theismann has done recently to get lumped in with a cancer like Lackey. If it's anything New York Giants related, you're on your own.
This (https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1298&dat=19910608&id=z-MPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=xosDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5248,1376785&hl=en) is as good a place to start as any.
He pitched like shit but he gave them 6 innings. Something to be said for that.
I'll duck out before you guys start tossing horseshit at me.
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 09:58:37 AM
He pitched like shit but he gave them 6 innings. Something to be said for that.
I'll duck out before you guys start tossing horseshit at me.
I'm sure many starters that get shelled early would settle in and go 6 innings if their team managed to put up 9 runs for them by the 4th and the manager gave them a longer leash. If the Cubs offense wasn't a juggernaut he'd have probably been yanked earlier in an attempt to keep them somewhat in the game.
He gets no credit whatsoever for any of this, your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 09:58:37 AM
He pitched like shit but he gave them 6 innings. Something to be said for that.
I'll duck out before you guys start tossing horseshit at me.
"This is bullshit." -- Jason Hammel
Quote from: SKO on April 08, 2016, 10:09:26 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 09:58:37 AM
He pitched like shit but he gave them 6 innings. Something to be said for that.
I'll duck out before you guys start tossing horseshit at me.
I'm sure many starters that get shelled early would settle in and go 6 innings if their team managed to put up 9 runs for them by the 4th and the manager gave them a longer leash. If the Cubs offense wasn't a juggernaut he'd have probably been yanked earlier in an attempt to keep them somewhat in the game.
He gets no credit whatsoever for any of this, your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.
I think you're wrong, SKO. He gets credit for going 6 innings. He's squarely in the hatewagon crosshairs, though. He's got that stupid underbite thing and he left a lot of pitches up in the zone and then looks bewildered once they get destroyed.
It's one start. I'll give it time.
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 09:58:37 AM
He pitched like shit but he gave them 6 innings. Something to be said for that.
I'll duck out before you guys start tossing horseshit at me.
I'm OK with this. And not just the tossing horseshit part.
Sure let's just start off the bullshit toleration right away this year. Good work only giving up one run for every inning you pitched, John. Here's your participation trophy.
Quote from: SKO on April 08, 2016, 10:09:26 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 09:58:37 AM
He pitched like shit but he gave them 6 innings. Something to be said for that.
I'll duck out before you guys start tossing horseshit at me.
I'm sure many starters that get shelled early would settle in and go 6 innings if their team managed to put up 9 runs for them by the 4th and the manager gave them a longer leash. If the Cubs offense wasn't a juggernaut he'd have probably been yanked earlier in an attempt to keep them somewhat in the game.
He gets no credit whatsoever for any of this, your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.
I know you're being tongue and cheek but didn't he retire his final 10 batters or something like that?
(http://cdnph.upi.com/sv/b/upi/UPI-3811444369777/2015/1/2f537fffc3773fae37d04236fa2e9e7e/St-Louis-Cardinals-hand-ball-to-John-Lackey-for-NLDS-opener.jpg)
You shitbricks stare at that picture until every last bit of bullshit toleration vanishes.
But he and Jon Lester are besties and if Jon can't have John and David holding his hand then he might not be good at baseball. You monsters just don't understand.
Quote from: PANK! on April 08, 2016, 11:15:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 08, 2016, 10:09:26 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 09:58:37 AM
He pitched like shit but he gave them 6 innings. Something to be said for that.
I'll duck out before you guys start tossing horseshit at me.
I'm sure many starters that get shelled early would settle in and go 6 innings if their team managed to put up 9 runs for them by the 4th and the manager gave them a longer leash. If the Cubs offense wasn't a juggernaut he'd have probably been yanked earlier in an attempt to keep them somewhat in the game.
He gets no credit whatsoever for any of this, your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.
I know you're being tongue and cheek but didn't he retire his final 10 batters or something like that?
Enough about gourmet Welsh cooking, let's get back to baseball.
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 09:58:37 AM
He pitched like shit but he gave them 6 innings. Something to be said for that.
I'll duck out before you guys start tossing horseshit at me.
Given your history with Edwin Jackson, I don't want to hear another word out of you.
Quote from: Eli on April 08, 2016, 11:41:51 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 09:58:37 AM
He pitched like shit but he gave them 6 innings. Something to be said for that.
I'll duck out before you guys start tossing horseshit at me.
Given your history with Edwin Jackson, I don't want to hear another word out of you.
I defend shitty middle of the rotation free agent pitchers. It's my thing. That and eating tongue with cheek gravy on it.
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 11:43:23 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 08, 2016, 11:41:51 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 09:58:37 AM
He pitched like shit but he gave them 6 innings. Something to be said for that.
I'll duck out before you guys start tossing horseshit at me.
Given your history with Edwin Jackson, I don't want to hear another word out of you.
I defend shitty middle of the rotation free agent pitchers. It's my thing. That and eating tongue with cheek gravy on it.
Danny Jackson will forever be grateful.
Lackey is off the juice and he sucks now. He's also a mole who came here specifically to get the Cubs outfielders hurt. Epstink is terrible.
My Cardinals fan boss IM'd me this morning to say "Lackey looks good, huh?" to which I responded "at least he's owed about 50 million less than Mike Leake" and then he scurried back into the shame hole he's been hiding in since Opening Day.
Quote from: SKO on April 08, 2016, 11:56:01 AM
My Cardinals fan boss IM'd me this morning to say "Lackey looks good, huh?" to which I responded "at least he's owed about 50 million less than Mike Leake" and then he scurried back into the shame hole he's been hiding in since Opening Day.
I approve of this SKO-real-world burn.
The best thing I have to say about John Lackey is that he is not John Danks.
I just have an irrational hatred of former Cardinals who sign here.
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 08, 2016, 11:15:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 08, 2016, 10:09:26 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 09:58:37 AM
He pitched like shit but he gave them 6 innings. Something to be said for that.
I'll duck out before you guys start tossing horseshit at me.
I'm sure many starters that get shelled early would settle in and go 6 innings if their team managed to put up 9 runs for them by the 4th and the manager gave them a longer leash. If the Cubs offense wasn't a juggernaut he'd have probably been yanked earlier in an attempt to keep them somewhat in the game.
He gets no credit whatsoever for any of this, your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.
I know you're being tongue and cheek but didn't he retire his final 10 batters or something like that?
Enough about gourmet Welsh cooking, let's get back to baseball.
Seriously, though: if you've never eaten tongue or cheek, you've missed out. They're fucking delicious.
Quote from: Tonker on April 10, 2016, 12:29:54 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 08, 2016, 11:15:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 08, 2016, 10:09:26 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 09:58:37 AM
He pitched like shit but he gave them 6 innings. Something to be said for that.
I'll duck out before you guys start tossing horseshit at me.
I'm sure many starters that get shelled early would settle in and go 6 innings if their team managed to put up 9 runs for them by the 4th and the manager gave them a longer leash. If the Cubs offense wasn't a juggernaut he'd have probably been yanked earlier in an attempt to keep them somewhat in the game.
He gets no credit whatsoever for any of this, your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.
I know you're being tongue and cheek but didn't he retire his final 10 batters or something like that?
Enough about gourmet Welsh cooking, let's get back to baseball.
Seriously, though: if you've never eaten tongue or cheek, you've missed out. They're fucking delicious.
Validated.
Quote from: flannj on April 10, 2016, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: Tonker on April 10, 2016, 12:29:54 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 08, 2016, 11:15:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 08, 2016, 10:09:26 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 09:58:37 AM
He pitched like shit but he gave them 6 innings. Something to be said for that.
I'll duck out before you guys start tossing horseshit at me.
I'm sure many starters that get shelled early would settle in and go 6 innings if their team managed to put up 9 runs for them by the 4th and the manager gave them a longer leash. If the Cubs offense wasn't a juggernaut he'd have probably been yanked earlier in an attempt to keep them somewhat in the game.
He gets no credit whatsoever for any of this, your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.
I know you're being tongue and cheek but didn't he retire his final 10 batters or something like that?
Enough about gourmet Welsh cooking, let's get back to baseball.
Seriously, though: if you've never eaten tongue or cheek, you've missed out. They're fucking delicious.
Validated.
I've taken a big bite of both on a few occasions. A little coppery for my taste, but to each their own.
Quote from: Tonker on April 10, 2016, 12:29:54 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 08, 2016, 11:15:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 08, 2016, 10:09:26 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 09:58:37 AM
He pitched like shit but he gave them 6 innings. Something to be said for that.
I'll duck out before you guys start tossing horseshit at me.
I'm sure many starters that get shelled early would settle in and go 6 innings if their team managed to put up 9 runs for them by the 4th and the manager gave them a longer leash. If the Cubs offense wasn't a juggernaut he'd have probably been yanked earlier in an attempt to keep them somewhat in the game.
He gets no credit whatsoever for any of this, your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.
I know you're being tongue and cheek but didn't he retire his final 10 batters or something like that?
Enough about gourmet Welsh cooking, let's get back to baseball.
Seriously, though: if you've never eaten tongue or cheek, you've missed out. They're fucking delicious.
Beef tongue and pig jowl. Fuck yeah.
Quote from: Oleg on April 10, 2016, 07:39:21 PM
Quote from: Tonker on April 10, 2016, 12:29:54 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 08, 2016, 11:15:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 08, 2016, 10:09:26 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 09:58:37 AM
He pitched like shit but he gave them 6 innings. Something to be said for that.
I'll duck out before you guys start tossing horseshit at me.
I'm sure many starters that get shelled early would settle in and go 6 innings if their team managed to put up 9 runs for them by the 4th and the manager gave them a longer leash. If the Cubs offense wasn't a juggernaut he'd have probably been yanked earlier in an attempt to keep them somewhat in the game.
He gets no credit whatsoever for any of this, your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.
I know you're being tongue and cheek but didn't he retire his final 10 batters or something like that?
Enough about gourmet Welsh cooking, let's get back to baseball.
Seriously, though: if you've never eaten tongue or cheek, you've missed out. They're fucking delicious.
Beef tongue and pig jowl. Fuck yeah.
I was thinking more larks' tongues and ocelot cheeks, but whatever floats your boat, you pleb.
Quote from: Oleg on April 10, 2016, 07:39:21 PM
Quote from: Tonker on April 10, 2016, 12:29:54 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 08, 2016, 11:15:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 08, 2016, 10:09:26 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 09:58:37 AM
He pitched like shit but he gave them 6 innings. Something to be said for that.
I'll duck out before you guys start tossing horseshit at me.
I'm sure many starters that get shelled early would settle in and go 6 innings if their team managed to put up 9 runs for them by the 4th and the manager gave them a longer leash. If the Cubs offense wasn't a juggernaut he'd have probably been yanked earlier in an attempt to keep them somewhat in the game.
He gets no credit whatsoever for any of this, your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.
I know you're being tongue and cheek but didn't he retire his final 10 batters or something like that?
Enough about gourmet Welsh cooking, let's get back to baseball.
Seriously, though: if you've never eaten tongue or cheek, you've missed out. They're fucking delicious.
Beef tongue and pig jowl. Fuck yeah.
The Purple Pig has a super tasty JLT (Jowl, Lettuce, Tomato) if you're into that sort of thing. Also good: the fried pig's ear with kale, pickled cherry peppers, and fried egg.
Quote from: Tonker on April 11, 2016, 03:29:43 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 10, 2016, 07:39:21 PM
Quote from: Tonker on April 10, 2016, 12:29:54 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 08, 2016, 11:15:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 08, 2016, 10:09:26 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 08, 2016, 09:58:37 AM
He pitched like shit but he gave them 6 innings. Something to be said for that.
I'll duck out before you guys start tossing horseshit at me.
I'm sure many starters that get shelled early would settle in and go 6 innings if their team managed to put up 9 runs for them by the 4th and the manager gave them a longer leash. If the Cubs offense wasn't a juggernaut he'd have probably been yanked earlier in an attempt to keep them somewhat in the game.
He gets no credit whatsoever for any of this, your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.
I know you're being tongue and cheek but didn't he retire his final 10 batters or something like that?
Enough about gourmet Welsh cooking, let's get back to baseball.
Seriously, though: if you've never eaten tongue or cheek, you've missed out. They're fucking delicious.
Beef tongue and pig jowl. Fuck yeah.
I was thinking more larks' tongues and ocelot cheeks, but whatever floats your boat, you pleb.
Fucking Australians.
So is Lackey gonna be the pitcher that gets all the runs this yr? So while he may earn our haterage from regularly giving up 3 in 6-7 IP the offense will put up 6-8 making him seem better than he is.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on April 13, 2016, 08:01:20 PM
So is Lackey gonna be the pitcher that gets all the runs this yr? So while he may earn our haterage from regularly giving up 3 in 6-7 IP the offense will put up 6-8 making him seem better than he is.
6+ and 2 ER isn't the worst. I'll take that from him every time even if his route to that end is infuriating.
Yeah, if he pitches like he did tonight at least 75% of his starts then the ragehate will diminish.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on April 13, 2016, 08:01:20 PM
So is Lackey gonna be the pitcher that gets all the runs this yr? So while he may earn our haterage from regularly giving up 3 in 6-7 IP the offense will put up 6-8 making him seem better than he is.
2-3 ER in 6-7 IP is Kyle Hendricks. Do we hate Kyle Hendricks? I don't hate Kyle Hendricks. But Kyle Hendricks doesn't make that stupid face that Lackey does.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 14, 2016, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on April 13, 2016, 08:01:20 PM
So is Lackey gonna be the pitcher that gets all the runs this yr? So while he may earn our haterage from regularly giving up 3 in 6-7 IP the offense will put up 6-8 making him seem better than he is.
2-3 ER in 6-7 IP is Kyle Hendricks. Do we hate Kyle Hendricks? I don't hate Kyle Hendricks. But Kyle Hendricks doesn't make that stupid face that Lackey does.
Depends on the day. The story with Lackey is pretty simple: I have no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt. He's an a-hole and a former Cardinal to boot, so the burden's on him to be awesome before I start dialing back the haterage.
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2016, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 14, 2016, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on April 13, 2016, 08:01:20 PM
So is Lackey gonna be the pitcher that gets all the runs this yr? So while he may earn our haterage from regularly giving up 3 in 6-7 IP the offense will put up 6-8 making him seem better than he is.
2-3 ER in 6-7 IP is Kyle Hendricks. Do we hate Kyle Hendricks? I don't hate Kyle Hendricks. But Kyle Hendricks doesn't make that stupid face that Lackey does.
Depends on the day. The story with Lackey is pretty simple: I have no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt. He's an a-hole and a former Cardinal to boot, so the burden's on him to be awesome before I start dialing back the haterage.
I've just decided to go full Chuck and hate him regardless of result.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 14, 2016, 11:26:45 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2016, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 14, 2016, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on April 13, 2016, 08:01:20 PM
So is Lackey gonna be the pitcher that gets all the runs this yr? So while he may earn our haterage from regularly giving up 3 in 6-7 IP the offense will put up 6-8 making him seem better than he is.
2-3 ER in 6-7 IP is Kyle Hendricks. Do we hate Kyle Hendricks? I don't hate Kyle Hendricks. But Kyle Hendricks doesn't make that stupid face that Lackey does.
Depends on the day. The story with Lackey is pretty simple: I have no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt. He's an a-hole and a former Cardinal to boot, so the burden's on him to be awesome before I start dialing back the haterage.
I've just decided to go full Chuck and hate him regardless of result.
If they want to go 131-31 and only lose Lackey's remaining starts that'd be fine with me.
Lackey will finish the season with a sub-4.00 ERA and earn every penny of that meh contract.
And I'll still hate him. I hated Jim Edmonds too. I don't just forget the past and embrace these former Cardinals like some war criminal. Heyward doesn't count. It's not like he ever wanted to be a Cardinal in the first place and he cut a fucking swath out of St. Louis so fast it made General Sherman stand up and take note.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2016, 12:17:02 PM
Lackey will finish the season with a sub-4.00 ERA and earn every penny of that meh contract.
And I'll still hate him. I hated Jim Edmonds too. I don't just forget the past and embrace these former Cardinals like some war criminal. Heyward doesn't count. It's not like he ever wanted to be a Cardinal in the first place and he cut a fucking swath out of St. Louis so fast it made General Sherman stand up and take note.
(http://www.elevenwarriors.com/sites/default/files/c/2014/12/undefeated-ooc.jpg.pagespeed.ce.Q5rQC_cDTK.jpg)
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 14, 2016, 11:26:45 AM
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 14, 2016, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on April 13, 2016, 08:01:20 PM
So is Lackey gonna be the pitcher that gets all the runs this yr? So while he may earn our haterage from regularly giving up 3 in 6-7 IP the offense will put up 6-8 making him seem better than he is.
2-3 ER in 6-7 IP is Kyle Hendricks. Do we hate Kyle Hendricks? I don't hate Kyle Hendricks. But Kyle Hendricks doesn't make that stupid face that Lackey does.
Depends on the day. The story with Lackey is pretty simple: I have no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt. He's an a-hole and a former Cardinal to boot, so the burden's on him to be awesome before I start dialing back the haterage.
I've just decided to go full Chuck and hate him regardless of result.
Yeah, I don't know what the rest of you guys are talking about. I twisted the dial all the way up on my Rage-a-tron until it snapped off. There's no turning back.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 14, 2016, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on April 13, 2016, 08:01:20 PM
So is Lackey gonna be the pitcher that gets all the runs this yr? So while he may earn our haterage from regularly giving up 3 in 6-7 IP the offense will put up 6-8 making him seem better than he is.
2-3 ER in 6-7 IP is Kyle Hendricks. Do we hate Kyle Hendricks? I don't hate Kyle Hendricks. But Kyle Hendricks doesn't make that stupid face that Lackey does.
He makes a different stupid face though.
I'm fine with Lackey. Youse can all fuck off.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2016, 12:17:02 PM
Lackey will finish the season with a sub-4.00 ERA and earn every penny of that meh contract.
And I'll still hate him. I hated Jim Edmonds too. I don't just forget the past and embrace these former Cardinals like some war criminal. Heyward doesn't count. It's not like he ever wanted to be a Cardinal in the first place and he cut a fucking swath out of St. Louis so fast it made General Sherman stand up and take note.
Slow clap.
Tonk's tolerating a lot of bullshit in his old age.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2016, 12:17:02 PM
Lackey will finish the season with a sub-4.00 ERA and earn every penny of that meh contract.
And I'll still hate him. I hated Jim Edmonds too. I don't just forget the past and embrace these former Cardinals like some war criminal. Heyward doesn't count. It's not like he ever wanted to be a Cardinal in the first place and he cut a fucking swath out of St. Louis so fast it made General Sherman stand up and take note.
Fuck, I wish I'd written that. I had to take a shower every time I cheered when Edmonds did something good.
And John Lackey molests collies.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on April 14, 2016, 11:27:16 PM
And John Lackey molests collies.
I shudder to think how hideous his O face must be.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 15, 2016, 03:06:15 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 15, 2016, 08:27:03 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on April 14, 2016, 11:27:16 PM
And John Lackey molests collies.
I shudder to think how hideous his O face must be.
Pretty sure he only has that one face.
You two freaks can discuss the many permutations of John Lackey's O-face somewhere else. Don't sully our fine and upstanding Message Board with it, thank you very much.
A line drive RBI single off his former team? I'd say someone's eager for our affection. John Lackey, you're cool with me until your next start unless you blow this lead.
Let's see if the mop-up relievers can actually finish a shutout this year.
He's still an asshole, but if he can keep that up, I'll at least accept that he's our asshole.
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 07:20:32 AM
He's still an asshole, but if he can keep that up, I'll at least accept that he's our asshole.
I'm hoping my searing-white hatred fuels him to being a 5 WAR pitcher.
I hate him a lot less after last night. He was really good. The Matt Carpenter AB when he got into trouble was a work of art.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 19, 2016, 08:16:45 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 07:20:32 AM
He's still an asshole, but if he can keep that up, I'll at least accept that he's our asshole.
I'm hoping my searing-white hatred fuels him to being a 5 WAR pitcher.
Ah, the Snork Option.
He wouldn't be much of a sleeper agent if he rolled over and showed his tummy in an April game.
Quote from: Tonker on April 14, 2016, 12:46:48 PM
I'm fine with Lackey. Youse can all fuck off.
GTFO
Back in the Jim Edmonds Memorial Doghouse with his crusty ass.
Man, fuck that sieve-toothed, slack jawed, chinless yokel. BACK TO THE FIREBARN WITH YOU.
Quote from: Bort on April 23, 2016, 10:38:27 PM
Man, fuck that sieve-toothed, slack jawed, chinless yokel. BACK TO THE FIREBARN WITH YOU.
Aw hell yeah. Been a while since we had a good firebarn goin' around here.
O ye of little faith.
Nice pitch, you turd.
7 innings, 2 ER, 11 Ks on a hitters day at Wrigley.
Seriously, fuck this guy.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 03:33:49 PM
7 innings, 2 ER, 11 Ks on a hitters day at Wrigley.
Seriously, fuck this guy fucks.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 03:33:49 PM
7 innings, 2 ER, 11 Ks on a hitters day at Wrigley.
Seriously, fuck this guy.
Dude, were you not paying attention? HE GAVE UP A HOME RUN. RIGHT THERE IN THE FIRST.
Quote from: Canadouche on May 06, 2016, 03:39:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 03:33:49 PM
7 innings, 2 ER, 11 Ks on a hitters day at Wrigley.
Seriously, fuck this guy fucks.
Stop trying to make "fetch" happen.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 03:33:49 PM
7 innings, 2 ER, 11 Ks on a hitters day at Wrigley.
Seriously, fuck this guy.
He turned it around. I think my post kept him in line. You're welcome.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2016, 04:26:48 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 06, 2016, 04:03:04 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on May 06, 2016, 03:39:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 03:33:49 PM
7 innings, 2 ER, 11 Ks on a hitters day at Wrigley.
Seriously, fuck this guy fucks.
Stop trying to make "fetch" happen.
This dude is so basic.
::sadface::
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7 innings, 2 ER, 11 Ks on a hitters day at Wrigley.
Seriously, fuck this guy fucks.
Stop trying to make "fetch" happen.
I'm pretty sure it's a Silicon Valley reference, which means I encourage it.
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 03:33:49 PM
7 innings, 2 ER, 11 Ks on a hitters day at Wrigley.
Seriously, fuck this guy fucks.
Stop trying to make "fetch" happen.
I'm pretty sure it's a Silicon Valley reference, which means I encourage it.
Stop trying to make Silicon Valley happen.
Quote from: Bort on May 06, 2016, 11:37:49 PM
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7 innings, 2 ER, 11 Ks on a hitters day at Wrigley.
Seriously, fuck this guy fucks.
Stop trying to make "fetch" happen.
I'm pretty sure it's a Silicon Valley reference, which means I encourage it.
Stop trying to make Silicon Valley happen.
To their credit, that show is good.
Quote from: Eli on May 08, 2016, 10:03:51 PM
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 03:33:49 PM
7 innings, 2 ER, 11 Ks on a hitters day at Wrigley.
Seriously, fuck this guy fucks.
Stop trying to make "fetch" happen.
I'm pretty sure it's a Silicon Valley reference, which means I encourage it.
Stop trying to make Silicon Valley happen.
To their credit, that show is good.
Stop trying to make conciliatory neutrality happen.
Quote from: Bort on May 08, 2016, 10:54:33 PM
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 03:33:49 PM
7 innings, 2 ER, 11 Ks on a hitters day at Wrigley.
Seriously, fuck this guy fucks.
Stop trying to make "fetch" happen.
I'm pretty sure it's a Silicon Valley reference, which means I encourage it.
Stop trying to make Silicon Valley happen.
To their credit, that show is good.
Stop trying to make conciliatory neutrality happen.
Stop trying to make stop trying to make ____ happen happen.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2016, 01:41:35 AM
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Quote from: Canadouche on May 06, 2016, 03:39:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 03:33:49 PM
7 innings, 2 ER, 11 Ks on a hitters day at Wrigley.
Seriously, fuck this guy fucks.
Stop trying to make "fetch" happen.
I'm pretty sure it's a Silicon Valley reference, which means I encourage it.
Stop trying to make Silicon Valley happen.
To their credit, that show is good.
Stop trying to make conciliatory neutrality happen.
Stop trying to make stop trying to make ____ happen happen.
Ok.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2016, 01:41:35 AM
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 03:33:49 PM
7 innings, 2 ER, 11 Ks on a hitters day at Wrigley.
Seriously, fuck this guy fucks.
Stop trying to make "fetch" happen.
I'm pretty sure it's a Silicon Valley reference, which means I encourage it.
Stop trying to make Silicon Valley happen.
To their credit, that show is good.
Stop trying to make conciliatory neutrality happen.
Stop trying to make stop trying to make ____ happen happen.
It's Gonna Happen
Quote from: ChuckD on May 09, 2016, 07:40:06 AM
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Quote from: Canadouche on May 06, 2016, 03:39:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 03:33:49 PM
7 innings, 2 ER, 11 Ks on a hitters day at Wrigley.
Seriously, fuck this guy fucks.
Stop trying to make "fetch" happen.
I'm pretty sure it's a Silicon Valley reference, which means I encourage it.
Stop trying to make Silicon Valley happen.
To their credit, that show is good.
Stop trying to make conciliatory neutrality happen.
Stop trying to make stop trying to make ____ happen happen.
It's Gonna Happen
It's Gonna Hai.
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Quote from: ChuckD on May 09, 2016, 07:40:06 AM
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Quote from: Canadouche on May 06, 2016, 03:39:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 03:33:49 PM
7 innings, 2 ER, 11 Ks on a hitters day at Wrigley.
Seriously, fuck this guy fucks.
Stop trying to make "fetch" happen.
I'm pretty sure it's a Silicon Valley reference, which means I encourage it.
Stop trying to make Silicon Valley happen.
To their credit, that show is good.
Stop trying to make conciliatory neutrality happen.
Stop trying to make stop trying to make ____ happen happen.
It's Gonna Happen
It's Gonna Hai.
I have no problem with the Lackey thread being horrible. I'm totally fine with this.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 09, 2016, 08:26:01 AM
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Quote from: Canadouche on May 06, 2016, 03:39:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 03:33:49 PM
7 innings, 2 ER, 11 Ks on a hitters day at Wrigley.
Seriously, fuck this guy fucks.
Stop trying to make "fetch" happen.
I'm pretty sure it's a Silicon Valley reference, which means I encourage it.
Stop trying to make Silicon Valley happen.
To their credit, that show is good.
Stop trying to make conciliatory neutrality happen.
Stop trying to make stop trying to make ____ happen happen.
It's Gonna Happen
It's Gonna Gotta Hai.
PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION'd
That was a well pitched ball game but he can still get fucked for being such a red ass over a dude admiring a massive bomb. Also, if you're going to yell at a dude for not hustling around the bases after a bomb, maybe get your lazy ass over and cover first on a grounder.
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 07:43:42 AM
That was a well pitched ball game but he can still get fucked for being such a red ass over a dude admiring a massive bomb. Also, if you're going to yell at a dude for not hustling around the bases after a bomb, maybe get your lazy ass over and cover first on a grounder.
There are guys who you absolutely loathe when they're on the other team and then you love them when they're on yours. Carlos Zambrano is such a person. Lackey isn't like that.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2016, 08:35:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 07:43:42 AM
That was a well pitched ball game but he can still get fucked for being such a red ass over a dude admiring a massive bomb. Also, if you're going to yell at a dude for not hustling around the bases after a bomb, maybe get your lazy ass over and cover first on a grounder.
There are guys who you absolutely loathe when they're on the other team and then you love them when they're on yours. Carlos Zambrano is such person. Lackey isn't like that.
Lackey's more like Michael Barrett.
Quote from: ChuckD on May 12, 2016, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2016, 08:35:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 07:43:42 AM
That was a well pitched ball game but he can still get fucked for being such a red ass over a dude admiring a massive bomb. Also, if you're going to yell at a dude for not hustling around the bases after a bomb, maybe get your lazy ass over and cover first on a grounder.
There are guys who you absolutely loathe when they're on the other team and then you love them when they're on yours. Carlos Zambrano is such person. Lackey isn't like that.
Lackey's more like Michael Barrett.
Yep. Although, I guess I'd like anyone that punched A.J. Eyechart.
Quote from: ChuckD on May 12, 2016, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2016, 08:35:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 07:43:42 AM
That was a well pitched ball game but he can still get fucked for being such a red ass over a dude admiring a massive bomb. Also, if you're going to yell at a dude for not hustling around the bases after a bomb, maybe get your lazy ass over and cover first on a grounder.
There are guys who you absolutely loathe when they're on the other team and then you love them when they're on yours. Carlos Zambrano is such person. Lackey isn't like that.
Lackey's more like Michael Barrett.
Nah. Lackey's a prick who is pretty good. Barrett is a fucking idiot who was awful awful.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 12, 2016, 10:48:42 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 12, 2016, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2016, 08:35:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 07:43:42 AM
That was a well pitched ball game but he can still get fucked for being such a red ass over a dude admiring a massive bomb. Also, if you're going to yell at a dude for not hustling around the bases after a bomb, maybe get your lazy ass over and cover first on a grounder.
There are guys who you absolutely loathe when they're on the other team and then you love them when they're on yours. Carlos Zambrano is such person. Lackey isn't like that.
Lackey's more like Michael Barrett.
Nah. Lackey's a prick who is pretty good. Barrett is a fucking idiot who was awful awful.
Barrett was worth 7.5 WAR in his three full seasons as a Cub. I get that you are dumb and say things like "Alfonso Soriano was bad", but if we're making comps of "unlikeable assholes who were pretty decent in a Cub uniform" Barrett most definitely fits the bill.
Quote from: Bort on May 12, 2016, 10:36:42 AM
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Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 07:43:42 AM
That was a well pitched ball game but he can still get fucked for being such a red ass over a dude admiring a massive bomb. Also, if you're going to yell at a dude for not hustling around the bases after a bomb, maybe get your lazy ass over and cover first on a grounder.
There are guys who you absolutely loathe when they're on the other team and then you love them when they're on yours. Carlos Zambrano is such person. Lackey isn't like that.
Lackey's more like Michael Barrett.
Yep. Although, I guess I'd like anyone that punched A.J. Eyechart.
Pierzynski and Zambrano are the two most notable examples of "guys you hate except when they're on your team" and Barrett's probably most famous for fighting both of them.
A Lackey/Barrett would've been something to behold.
Quote from: ChuckD on May 12, 2016, 12:20:05 PM
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Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 07:43:42 AM
That was a well pitched ball game but he can still get fucked for being such a red ass over a dude admiring a massive bomb. Also, if you're going to yell at a dude for not hustling around the bases after a bomb, maybe get your lazy ass over and cover first on a grounder.
There are guys who you absolutely loathe when they're on the other team and then you love them when they're on yours. Carlos Zambrano is such person. Lackey isn't like that.
Lackey's more like Michael Barrett.
Yep. Although, I guess I'd like anyone that punched A.J. Eyechart.
Pierzynski and Zambrano are the two most notable examples of "guys you hate except when they're on your team" and Barrett's probably most famous for fighting both of them.
A Lackey/Barrett would've been something to behold.
Like if they had a kid? It would probably turn out like Rah Rah.
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Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 07:43:42 AM
That was a well pitched ball game but he can still get fucked for being such a red ass over a dude admiring a massive bomb. Also, if you're going to yell at a dude for not hustling around the bases after a bomb, maybe get your lazy ass over and cover first on a grounder.
There are guys who you absolutely loathe when they're on the other team and then you love them when they're on yours. Carlos Zambrano is such person. Lackey isn't like that.
Lackey's more like Michael Barrett.
Yep. Although, I guess I'd like anyone that punched A.J. Eyechart.
Pierzynski and Zambrano are the two most notable examples of "guys you hate except when they're on your team" and Barrett's probably most famous for fighting both of them.
A Lackey/Barrett would've been something to behold.
Like if they had a kid? It would probably turn out like Rah Rah.
I laughed heartily.
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 10:54:02 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 12, 2016, 10:48:42 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 12, 2016, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2016, 08:35:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 07:43:42 AM
That was a well pitched ball game but he can still get fucked for being such a red ass over a dude admiring a massive bomb. Also, if you're going to yell at a dude for not hustling around the bases after a bomb, maybe get your lazy ass over and cover first on a grounder.
There are guys who you absolutely loathe when they're on the other team and then you love them when they're on yours. Carlos Zambrano is such person. Lackey isn't like that.
Lackey's more like Michael Barrett.
Nah. Lackey's a prick who is pretty good. Barrett is a fucking idiot who was awful awful.
Barrett was worth 7.5 WAR in his three full seasons as a Cub. I get that you are dumb and say things like "Alfonso Soriano was bad", but if we're making comps of "unlikeable assholes who were pretty decent in a Cub uniform" Barrett most definitely fits the bill.
BBR has him at 5.8 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/barremi01.shtml#2004-2006-sum:batting_value) for three seasons. Below their benchmark of 2.0 for bottom level starter.
And there's this (https://books.google.com/books?id=TtZk_KJg2toC&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq=michael+barrett+throw+runner+out+already+out&source=bl&ots=5NhbJFRoTR&sig=2sYmr_7Sy5Z7nmuu5mYAQhOxTXw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSuv7bwdXMAhUh0YMKHS4XDUQQ6AEIKTAC#v=onepage&q=michael%20barrett%20throw%20runner%20out%20already%20out&f=false).
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Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 07:43:42 AM
That was a well pitched ball game but he can still get fucked for being such a red ass over a dude admiring a massive bomb. Also, if you're going to yell at a dude for not hustling around the bases after a bomb, maybe get your lazy ass over and cover first on a grounder.
There are guys who you absolutely loathe when they're on the other team and then you love them when they're on yours. Carlos Zambrano is such person. Lackey isn't like that.
Lackey's more like Michael Barrett.
Nah. Lackey's a prick who is pretty good. Barrett is a fucking idiot who was awful awful.
Barrett was worth 7.5 WAR in his three full seasons as a Cub. I get that you are dumb and say things like "Alfonso Soriano was bad", but if we're making comps of "unlikeable assholes who were pretty decent in a Cub uniform" Barrett most definitely fits the bill.
BBR has him at 5.8 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/barremi01.shtml#2004-2006-sum:batting_value) for three seasons. Below their benchmark of 2.0 for bottom level starter.
And there's this (https://books.google.com/books?id=TtZk_KJg2toC&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq=michael+barrett+throw+runner+out+already+out&source=bl&ots=5NhbJFRoTR&sig=2sYmr_7Sy5Z7nmuu5mYAQhOxTXw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSuv7bwdXMAhUh0YMKHS4XDUQQ6AEIKTAC#v=onepage&q=michael%20barrett%20throw%20runner%20out%20already%20out&f=false).
2 WAR is average, not "bottom level starter." Montero last year was worth 1.8 bWAR. Barrett was an above average starter for three years and a jackass his entire life.
DPD, from 2004-2006 Barret was 11th, 9th, and 11th among catchers in bWAR. God dammit, Chuck. You are so wrong you made me defend Michael Barrett
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 07:51:39 PM
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Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 07:43:42 AM
That was a well pitched ball game but he can still get fucked for being such a red ass over a dude admiring a massive bomb. Also, if you're going to yell at a dude for not hustling around the bases after a bomb, maybe get your lazy ass over and cover first on a grounder.
There are guys who you absolutely loathe when they're on the other team and then you love them when they're on yours. Carlos Zambrano is such person. Lackey isn't like that.
Lackey's more like Michael Barrett.
Nah. Lackey's a prick who is pretty good. Barrett is a fucking idiot who was awful awful.
Barrett was worth 7.5 WAR in his three full seasons as a Cub. I get that you are dumb and say things like "Alfonso Soriano was bad", but if we're making comps of "unlikeable assholes who were pretty decent in a Cub uniform" Barrett most definitely fits the bill.
BBR has him at 5.8 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/barremi01.shtml#2004-2006-sum:batting_value) for three seasons. Below their benchmark of 2.0 for bottom level starter.
And there's this (https://books.google.com/books?id=TtZk_KJg2toC&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq=michael+barrett+throw+runner+out+already+out&source=bl&ots=5NhbJFRoTR&sig=2sYmr_7Sy5Z7nmuu5mYAQhOxTXw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSuv7bwdXMAhUh0YMKHS4XDUQQ6AEIKTAC#v=onepage&q=michael%20barrett%20throw%20runner%20out%20already%20out&f=false).
2 WAR is average, not "bottom level starter." Montero last year was worth 1.8 bWAR. Barrett was an above average starter for three years and a jackass his entire life.
Chuck's own goddamn link has Barrett at a total of 1.6 WAA (wins above average) over those three seasons.
That's 0.0 WAA, 0.5 WAA and 1.1 WAA each season, respectively. Which is to say: average (2004), above average (2005) and top 100 in all of MLB (2006).
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Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 07:43:42 AM
That was a well pitched ball game but he can still get fucked for being such a red ass over a dude admiring a massive bomb. Also, if you're going to yell at a dude for not hustling around the bases after a bomb, maybe get your lazy ass over and cover first on a grounder.
There are guys who you absolutely loathe when they're on the other team and then you love them when they're on yours. Carlos Zambrano is such person. Lackey isn't like that.
Lackey's more like Michael Barrett.
Nah. Lackey's a prick who is pretty good. Barrett is a fucking idiot who was awful awful.
Barrett was worth 7.5 WAR in his three full seasons as a Cub. I get that you are dumb and say things like "Alfonso Soriano was bad", but if we're making comps of "unlikeable assholes who were pretty decent in a Cub uniform" Barrett most definitely fits the bill.
BBR has him at 5.8 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/barremi01.shtml#2004-2006-sum:batting_value) for three seasons. Below their benchmark of 2.0 for bottom level starter.
And there's this (https://books.google.com/books?id=TtZk_KJg2toC&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq=michael+barrett+throw+runner+out+already+out&source=bl&ots=5NhbJFRoTR&sig=2sYmr_7Sy5Z7nmuu5mYAQhOxTXw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSuv7bwdXMAhUh0YMKHS4XDUQQ6AEIKTAC#v=onepage&q=michael%20barrett%20throw%20runner%20out%20already%20out&f=false).
2 WAR is average, not "bottom level starter." Montero last year was worth 1.8 bWAR. Barrett was an above average starter for three years and a jackass his entire life.
Chuck's own goddamn link has Barrett at a total of 1.6 WAA (wins above average) over those three seasons.
That's 0.0 WAA, 0.5 WAA and 1.1 WAA each season, respectively. Which is to say: average (2004), above average (2005) and top 100 in all of MLB (2006).
That's just
classic him.
Quote from: ChuckD on May 12, 2016, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2016, 08:35:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 07:43:42 AM
That was a well pitched ball game but he can still get fucked for being such a red ass over a dude admiring a massive bomb. Also, if you're going to yell at a dude for not hustling around the bases after a bomb, maybe get your lazy ass over and cover first on a grounder.
There are guys who you absolutely loathe when they're on the other team and then you love them when they're on yours. Carlos Zambrano is such person. Lackey isn't like that.
Lackey's more like Michael Barrett.
As is well documented by now, having previously loathed Lackey, I now love him, and I also liked Michael Barrett. Being a twat, or an ex-Cardinal, or even an ex-Cardinal twat doesn't preclude you from being a good ballplayer, and the more good ballplayers the Cubs have, the happier I am. What I do have a problem with is twats or ex-Cardinals who are also shitty players: see Theriot, R.; Mabry, J.; Hawkins, L.; Mather, J. If Lackey wants to chirp at somebody for admiring a home run, what the fuck do I care? He's good, and he's ON MY SIDE.
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Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 07:43:42 AM
That was a well pitched ball game but he can still get fucked for being such a red ass over a dude admiring a massive bomb. Also, if you're going to yell at a dude for not hustling around the bases after a bomb, maybe get your lazy ass over and cover first on a grounder.
There are guys who you absolutely loathe when they're on the other team and then you love them when they're on yours. Carlos Zambrano is such person. Lackey isn't like that.
Lackey's more like Michael Barrett.
Nah. Lackey's a prick who is pretty good. Barrett is a fucking idiot who was awful awful.
Barrett was worth 7.5 WAR in his three full seasons as a Cub. I get that you are dumb and say things like "Alfonso Soriano was bad", but if we're making comps of "unlikeable assholes who were pretty decent in a Cub uniform" Barrett most definitely fits the bill.
BBR has him at 5.8 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/barremi01.shtml#2004-2006-sum:batting_value) for three seasons. Below their benchmark of 2.0 for bottom level starter.
And there's this (https://books.google.com/books?id=TtZk_KJg2toC&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq=michael+barrett+throw+runner+out+already+out&source=bl&ots=5NhbJFRoTR&sig=2sYmr_7Sy5Z7nmuu5mYAQhOxTXw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSuv7bwdXMAhUh0YMKHS4XDUQQ6AEIKTAC#v=onepage&q=michael%20barrett%20throw%20runner%20out%20already%20out&f=false).
2 WAR is average, not "bottom level starter." Montero last year was worth 1.8 bWAR. Barrett was an above average starter for three years and a jackass his entire life.
I'm just going by this. They define "Starter" as 2 or more. You guys can go more in depth on his stats if you want. I gave it all the time it deserved.
(http://i.imgur.com/AqPUA5m.png?1)
It's way too early to try and wrap my head around how Chuck argues on the Internet.
Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:37:26 AM
It's way too early to try and wrap my head around how Chuck argues on the Internet.
If the discussion is "Was Michael Barrett awful or was he serviceable" I think it's best if everyone just logs off. He obviously wasn't awful.
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Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:37:26 AM
It's way too early to try and wrap my head around how Chuck argues on the Internet.
If the discussion is "Was Michael Barrett awful or was he serviceable" I think it's best if everyone just logs off. He obviously wasn't awful.
Zambrano disagreed. Possibly my favorite thing Z ever did was beat the shit out of Barrett.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 13, 2016, 08:50:11 AM
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It's way too early to try and wrap my head around how Chuck argues on the Internet.
If the discussion is "Was Michael Barrett awful or was he serviceable" I think it's best if everyone just logs off. He obviously wasn't awful.
Zambrano disagreed. Possibly my favorite thing Z ever did was beat the shit out of Barrett.
Of course it was.
I can think of at least one game winning hit he had while he was here but, hey, I don't really expect you to actually like The Cubs.
Quote from: Oleg on May 13, 2016, 09:18:54 AM
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It's way too early to try and wrap my head around how Chuck argues on the Internet.
If the discussion is "Was Michael Barrett awful or was he serviceable" I think it's best if everyone just logs off. He obviously wasn't awful.
Zambrano disagreed. Possibly my favorite thing Z ever did was beat the shit out of Barrett.
Of course it was.
I can think of at least one game winning hit he had while he was here but, hey, I don't really expect you to actually like The Cubs.
Yeah that time Zambrano threw a no hitter? Fuck that. The time he homered from both sides of the plate in the same game? Who cares. That time he punched a teammate? Oh yeah, that's where it is.
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Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:37:26 AM
It's way too early to try and wrap my head around how Chuck argues on the Internet.
If the discussion is "Was Michael Barrett awful or was he serviceable" I think it's best if everyone just logs off. He obviously wasn't awful.
Zambrano disagreed. Possibly my favorite thing Z ever did was beat the shit out of Barrett.
Of course it was.
I can think of at least one game winning hit he had while he was here but, hey, I don't really expect you to actually like The Cubs.
Yeah that time Zambrano threw a no hitter? Fuck that. The time he homered from both sides of the plate in the same game? Who cares. That time he punched a teammate? Oh yeah, that's where it is.
I was talking about Barrett's game winner against the A's. But, yeah...Chuck doesn't really like baseball.
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Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:37:26 AM
It's way too early to try and wrap my head around how Chuck argues on the Internet.
If the discussion is "Was Michael Barrett awful or was he serviceable" I think it's best if everyone just logs off. He obviously wasn't awful.
Zambrano disagreed. Possibly my favorite thing Z ever did was beat the shit out of Barrett.
Of course it was.
I can think of at least one game winning hit he had while he was here but, hey, I don't really expect you to actually like The Cubs.
Yeah that time Zambrano threw a no hitter? Fuck that. The time he homered from both sides of the plate in the same game? Who cares. That time he punched a teammate? Oh yeah, that's where it is.
I was talking about Barrett's game winner against the A's. But, yeah...Chuck doesn't really like baseball.
Oh I know you were talking about Barrett, I was focusing on Chuck saying that "possibly his favorite moment" of one of the greatest pitchers in franchise history was the time he beat up his own teammate in a game they lost. That really says it all.
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It's way too early to try and wrap my head around how Chuck argues on the Internet.
If the discussion is "Was Michael Barrett awful or was he serviceable" I think it's best if everyone just logs off. He obviously wasn't awful.
Zambrano disagreed. Possibly my favorite thing Z ever did was beat the shit out of Barrett.
Of course it was.
I can think of at least one game winning hit he had while he was here but, hey, I don't really expect you to actually like The Cubs.
Yeah that time Zambrano threw a no hitter? Fuck that. The time he homered from both sides of the plate in the same game? Who cares. That time he punched a teammate? Oh yeah, that's where it is.
I was talking about Barrett's game winner against the A's. But, yeah...Chuck doesn't really like baseball.
Don't forget the grand slam off Isringhausen to finish off an April sweep of the Cardinals.
I hated Michael Barrett because he was so dumb and he was one of those dopey white guys that never failed to take the bait and wax on about how "awesome" it would be to win a World Series at Wrigley blah blah fucking blah.
But he was a damn useful player for a short period of time.
Holding these beliefs are not mutually exclusive.
Chuck, on the other hand...
Quote from: PANK! on May 13, 2016, 09:44:33 AM
I hated Michael Barrett because he was so dumb and he was one of those dopey white guys that never failed to take the bait and wax on about how "awesome" it would be to win a World Series at Wrigley blah blah fucking blah.
But he was a damn useful player for a short period of time.
Holding these beliefs are not mutually exclusive.
Chuck, on the other hand...
Yeah, I don't think any of us ever actually fucking liked the guy, but as usual the 10.17(c) is so strong we felt compelled to point out that A)Chuck is of course is wrong about his actual ability to play baseball and B)Chuck really just hates the Cubs
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That was a well pitched ball game but he can still get fucked for being such a red ass over a dude admiring a massive bomb. Also, if you're going to yell at a dude for not hustling around the bases after a bomb, maybe get your lazy ass over and cover first on a grounder.
There are guys who you absolutely loathe when they're on the other team and then you love them when they're on yours. Carlos Zambrano is such person. Lackey isn't like that.
Lackey's more like Michael Barrett.
Nah. Lackey's a prick who is pretty good. Barrett is a fucking idiot who was awful awful.
Barrett was worth 7.5 WAR in his three full seasons as a Cub. I get that you are dumb and say things like "Alfonso Soriano was bad", but if we're making comps of "unlikeable assholes who were pretty decent in a Cub uniform" Barrett most definitely fits the bill.
BBR has him at 5.8 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/barremi01.shtml#2004-2006-sum:batting_value) for three seasons. Below their benchmark of 2.0 for bottom level starter.
And there's this (https://books.google.com/books?id=TtZk_KJg2toC&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq=michael+barrett+throw+runner+out+already+out&source=bl&ots=5NhbJFRoTR&sig=2sYmr_7Sy5Z7nmuu5mYAQhOxTXw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSuv7bwdXMAhUh0YMKHS4XDUQQ6AEIKTAC#v=onepage&q=michael%20barrett%20throw%20runner%20out%20already%20out&f=false).
2 WAR is average, not "bottom level starter." Montero last year was worth 1.8 bWAR. Barrett was an above average starter for three years and a jackass his entire life.
I'm just going by this. They define "Starter" as 2 or more. You guys can go more in depth on his stats if you want. I gave it all the time it deserved.
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Above average:
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Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 09:25:53 AM
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It's way too early to try and wrap my head around how Chuck argues on the Internet.
If the discussion is "Was Michael Barrett awful or was he serviceable" I think it's best if everyone just logs off. He obviously wasn't awful.
Zambrano disagreed. Possibly my favorite thing Z ever did was beat the shit out of Barrett.
Of course it was.
I can think of at least one game winning hit he had while he was here but, hey, I don't really expect you to actually like The Cubs.
Yeah that time Zambrano threw a no hitter? Fuck that. The time he homered from both sides of the plate in the same game? Who cares. That time he punched a teammate? Oh yeah, that's where it is.
Lots of Cubs have thrown no hitters. Lots of Cubs pitchers have homered. Only one time ever has anyone decked Michael Barrett in the dugout and the clubhouse.
I embrace the uniqueness.
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Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:37:26 AM
It's way too early to try and wrap my head around how Chuck argues on the Internet.
If the discussion is "Was Michael Barrett awful or was he serviceable" I think it's best if everyone just logs off. He obviously wasn't awful.
Zambrano disagreed. Possibly my favorite thing Z ever did was beat the shit out of Barrett.
Of course it was.
I can think of at least one game winning hit he had while he was here but, hey, I don't really expect you to actually like The Cubs.
Yeah that time Zambrano threw a no hitter? Fuck that. The time he homered from both sides of the plate in the same game? Who cares. That time he punched a teammate? Oh yeah, that's where it is.
Lots of Cubs have thrown no hitters. Lots of Cubs pitchers have homered. Only one time ever has anyone decked Michael Barrett in the dugout and the clubhouse.
I embrace the uniqueness.
Exactly TWO Cubs pitchers have thrown no-hitters in your conscious lifetime, assuming you're too young to recall Pappas' or Burt Hooton's.
Stop being such an irrepressible tool please.
So again, Chuck's favorite moment for one of the best pitchers in franchise history was when he threw a shitfit during a game where he gave up five runs (and the Cubs lost) and went and deliberately injured the team's above average catcher, because Chuck hated said above average catcher for a passed ball or something.
Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 10:40:04 AM
So again, Chuck's favorite moment for one of the best pitchers in franchise history was when he threw a shitfit during a game where he gave up five runs (and the Cubs lost) and went and deliberately injured the team's above average catcher, because Chuck hated said above average catcher for a passed ball or something.
Barrett smashed Sosa's boombox. He was probably not entirely not racist.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 10:44:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 10:40:04 AM
So again, Chuck's favorite moment for one of the best pitchers in franchise history was when he threw a shitfit during a game where he gave up five runs (and the Cubs lost) and went and deliberately injured the team's above average catcher, because Chuck hated said above average catcher for a passed ball or something.
Barrett smashed Sosa's boombox. He was probably not entirely not racist.
I thought Kerry smashed the boombox, and we were all fine with that when it was him, supposedly.
Again, I'm not saying Barrett isn't a redass, but for fuck's sake, this is some of the Chuckiest Chuck that ever Chucked.
Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 10:46:19 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 10:44:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 10:40:04 AM
So again, Chuck's favorite moment for one of the best pitchers in franchise history was when he threw a shitfit during a game where he gave up five runs (and the Cubs lost) and went and deliberately injured the team's above average catcher, because Chuck hated said above average catcher for a passed ball or something.
Barrett smashed Sosa's boombox. He was probably not entirely not racist.
I thought Kerry smashed the boombox, and we were all fine with that when it was him, supposedly.
Again, I'm not saying Barrett isn't a redass, but for fuck's sake, this is some of the Chuckiest Chuck that ever Chucked.
I also thought Kerry smashed the boombox. It's one of the many, many reasons I love Kerry more than I love my own children. Don't take that away from me.
Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 10:46:19 AM
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Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 10:40:04 AM
So again, Chuck's favorite moment for one of the best pitchers in franchise history was when he threw a shitfit during a game where he gave up five runs (and the Cubs lost) and went and deliberately injured the team's above average catcher, because Chuck hated said above average catcher for a passed ball or something.
Barrett smashed Sosa's boombox. He was probably not entirely not racist.
I thought Kerry smashed the boombox, and we were all fine with that when it was him, supposedly.
Again, I'm not saying Barrett isn't a redass, but for fuck's sake, this is some of the Chuckiest Chuck that ever Chucked.
He's also responsible for the last unassisted putout of a runner stealing second by a catcher that I can remember.
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Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 10:46:19 AM
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Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 10:40:04 AM
So again, Chuck's favorite moment for one of the best pitchers in franchise history was when he threw a shitfit during a game where he gave up five runs (and the Cubs lost) and went and deliberately injured the team's above average catcher, because Chuck hated said above average catcher for a passed ball or something.
Barrett smashed Sosa's boombox. He was probably not entirely not racist.
I thought Kerry smashed the boombox, and we were all fine with that when it was him, supposedly.
Again, I'm not saying Barrett isn't a redass, but for fuck's sake, this is some of the Chuckiest Chuck that ever Chucked.
He's also responsible for the last unassisted putout of a runner stealing second by a catcher that I can remember.
I don't remember this, and am at a loss to explain how it might happen. Don't be a tease, CT.
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Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 10:40:04 AM
So again, Chuck's favorite moment for one of the best pitchers in franchise history was when he threw a shitfit during a game where he gave up five runs (and the Cubs lost) and went and deliberately injured the team's above average catcher, because Chuck hated said above average catcher for a passed ball or something.
Barrett smashed Sosa's boombox. He was probably not entirely not racist.
I thought Kerry smashed the boombox, and we were all fine with that when it was him, supposedly.
Again, I'm not saying Barrett isn't a redass, but for fuck's sake, this is some of the Chuckiest Chuck that ever Chucked.
He's also responsible for the last unassisted putout of a runner stealing second by a catcher that I can remember.
I don't remember this, and am at a loss to explain how it might happen. Don't be a tease, CT.
Coy motherfucker.
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It's way too early to try and wrap my head around how Chuck argues on the Internet.
If the discussion is "Was Michael Barrett awful or was he serviceable" I think it's best if everyone just logs off. He obviously wasn't awful.
Zambrano disagreed. Possibly my favorite thing Z ever did was beat the shit out of Barrett.
Of course it was.
I can think of at least one game winning hit he had while he was here but, hey, I don't really expect you to actually like The Cubs.
Yeah that time Zambrano threw a no hitter? Fuck that. The time he homered from both sides of the plate in the same game? Who cares. That time he punched a teammate? Oh yeah, that's where it is.
Lots of Cubs have thrown no hitters. Lots of Cubs pitchers have homered. Only one time ever has anyone decked Michael Barrett in the dugout and the clubhouse.
I embrace the uniqueness.
Put this on Facebook so I can "like" it.
Nobody said Kerry smashed the boombox. That was counter to everything ever written on the subject.
Woj, who claims to have been in the room, wrote in his book on the 2004 Cubs that it was "a position player." So you guys are definitely wrong.
Paul Sullivan told me that Kerry and Sammy were friends and that Kerry wouldn't do that. The scuttlebutt he heard was that it was Barrett, which checks out given everything we know about him.
Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:37:26 AM
It's way too early to try and wrap my head around how Chuck argues on the Internet.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 01:11:27 PM
Nobody said Kerry smashed the boombox. That was counter to everything ever written on the subject.
Woj, who claims to have been in the room, wrote in his book on the 2004 Cubs that it was "a position player." So you guys are definitely wrong.
Paul Sullivan told me that Kerry and Sammy were friends and that Kerry wouldn't do that. The scuttlebutt he heard was that it was Barrett, which checks out given everything we know about him.
Wow... then why did everyone, myself included, think it was Kerry? This changes things.
Also, this discussion makes me miss Zambrano.
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It's way too early to try and wrap my head around how Chuck argues on the Internet.
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 01:11:27 PM
Nobody said Kerry smashed the boombox. That was counter to everything ever written on the subject.
Woj, who claims to have been in the room, wrote in his book on the 2004 Cubs that it was "a position player." So you guys are definitely wrong.
Paul Sullivan told me that Kerry and Sammy were friends and that Kerry wouldn't do that. The scuttlebutt he heard was that it was Barrett, which checks out given everything we know about him.
Kap told me it was Wood. Kap isn't always right.
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 01:11:27 PM
Nobody said Kerry smashed the boombox. That was counter to everything ever written on the subject.
Woj, who claims to have been in the room, wrote in his book on the 2004 Cubs that it was "a position player." So you guys are definitely wrong.
Paul Sullivan told me that Kerry and Sammy were friends and that Kerry wouldn't do that. The scuttlebutt he heard was that it was Barrett, which checks out given everything we know about him.
Wow... then why did everyone, myself included, think it was Kerry? This changes things.
Also, this discussion makes me miss Zambrano.
I think people wanted it to be Kerry because he was everybody's favorite player and they fantasized about him being this big red ass that took no shit from anybody. I only ever saw him yell at umpires. He never struck me as a clubhouse lawyer so that was weird to me. Especially, since Woj explicitly wrote "position player." A couple years back we had this same fucking discussion so I "Ask(ed) Paul" in real life and that's what he told me. He thought it was Barrett and that Wood liked Sammy and would never do anything dumb and immature to a teammate like that. But Barrett sure as fuck would, wouldn't he?
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It's way too early to try and wrap my head around how Chuck argues on the Internet.
If the discussion is "Was Michael Barrett awful or was he serviceable" I think it's best if everyone just logs off. He obviously wasn't awful.
Zambrano disagreed. Possibly my favorite thing Z ever did was beat the shit out of Barrett.
Of course it was.
I can think of at least one game winning hit he had while he was here but, hey, I don't really expect you to actually like The Cubs.
Yeah that time Zambrano threw a no hitter? Fuck that. The time he homered from both sides of the plate in the same game? Who cares. That time he punched a teammate? Oh yeah, that's where it is.
Lots of Cubs have thrown no hitters. Lots of Cubs pitchers have homered. Only one time ever has anyone decked Michael Barrett in the dugout and the clubhouse.
I embrace the uniqueness.
Exactly TWO Cubs pitchers have thrown no-hitters in your conscious lifetime, assuming you're too young to recall Pappas' or Burt Hooton's.
Stop being such an irrepressible tool please.
Five. For a total of 6 games.
And... nah.
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 01:11:27 PM
Nobody said Kerry smashed the boombox. That was counter to everything ever written on the subject.
Woj, who claims to have been in the room, wrote in his book on the 2004 Cubs that it was "a position player." So you guys are definitely wrong.
Paul Sullivan told me that Kerry and Sammy were friends and that Kerry wouldn't do that. The scuttlebutt he heard was that it was Barrett, which checks out given everything we know about him.
Kap told me it was Wood. Kap isn't always right.
So everybody was getting this info from Chuck who got it from Kap.
*Kermit Meme*
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 01:11:27 PM
Nobody said Kerry smashed the boombox. That was counter to everything ever written on the subject.
Woj, who claims to have been in the room, wrote in his book on the 2004 Cubs that it was "a position player." So you guys are definitely wrong.
Paul Sullivan told me that Kerry and Sammy were friends and that Kerry wouldn't do that. The scuttlebutt he heard was that it was Barrett, which checks out given everything we know about him.
The position player scuttlebutt I heard was Todd Walker. I'd never heard Barrett.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 13, 2016, 02:13:46 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 01:11:27 PM
Nobody said Kerry smashed the boombox. That was counter to everything ever written on the subject.
Woj, who claims to have been in the room, wrote in his book on the 2004 Cubs that it was "a position player." So you guys are definitely wrong.
Paul Sullivan told me that Kerry and Sammy were friends and that Kerry wouldn't do that. The scuttlebutt he heard was that it was Barrett, which checks out given everything we know about him.
The position player scuttlebutt I heard was Todd Walker. I'd never heard Barrett.
That's possible. Sullivan couldn't confirm exactly who it was. And if Kap is adamant that he was there and by God it was Wood, then it's his word against Woj's and I really don't care to argue on behalf of either. Except that Woj is about 1/1000th's the penis the Kap is.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 13, 2016, 02:13:46 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 01:11:27 PM
Nobody said Kerry smashed the boombox. That was counter to everything ever written on the subject.
Woj, who claims to have been in the room, wrote in his book on the 2004 Cubs that it was "a position player." So you guys are definitely wrong.
Paul Sullivan told me that Kerry and Sammy were friends and that Kerry wouldn't do that. The scuttlebutt he heard was that it was Barrett, which checks out given everything we know about him.
The position player scuttlebutt I heard was Todd Walker. I'd never heard Barrett.
That's possible. Sullivan couldn't confirm exactly who it was.
Walker would make sense.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:15:26 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 13, 2016, 02:13:46 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 01:11:27 PM
Nobody said Kerry smashed the boombox. That was counter to everything ever written on the subject.
Woj, who claims to have been in the room, wrote in his book on the 2004 Cubs that it was "a position player." So you guys are definitely wrong.
Paul Sullivan told me that Kerry and Sammy were friends and that Kerry wouldn't do that. The scuttlebutt he heard was that it was Barrett, which checks out given everything we know about him.
The position player scuttlebutt I heard was Todd Walker. I'd never heard Barrett.
That's possible. Sullivan couldn't confirm exactly who it was.
Couldn't or wouldn't? If it's the former, he's a worse goddamn reporter than I thought, unless his view was being blocked by a footstool.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 13, 2016, 02:13:46 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 01:11:27 PM
Nobody said Kerry smashed the boombox. That was counter to everything ever written on the subject.
Woj, who claims to have been in the room, wrote in his book on the 2004 Cubs that it was "a position player." So you guys are definitely wrong.
Paul Sullivan told me that Kerry and Sammy were friends and that Kerry wouldn't do that. The scuttlebutt he heard was that it was Barrett, which checks out given everything we know about him.
The position player scuttlebutt I heard was Todd Walker. I'd never heard Barrett.
That's possible. Sullivan couldn't confirm exactly who it was.
Walker would make sense.
Barrett didn't like Sammy's music, tho. He kept changing the channel to WBBM Newsradio 78.
Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 02:16:39 PM
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 13, 2016, 02:13:46 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 01:11:27 PM
Nobody said Kerry smashed the boombox. That was counter to everything ever written on the subject.
Woj, who claims to have been in the room, wrote in his book on the 2004 Cubs that it was "a position player." So you guys are definitely wrong.
Paul Sullivan told me that Kerry and Sammy were friends and that Kerry wouldn't do that. The scuttlebutt he heard was that it was Barrett, which checks out given everything we know about him.
The position player scuttlebutt I heard was Todd Walker. I'd never heard Barrett.
That's possible. Sullivan couldn't confirm exactly who it was.
Walker would make sense.
As much as I hate me some Todd Walker, I don't see him as this fiery asshole that would fly off the handle and do some shit like that. All signs still point to Barrett for me.
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:15:26 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 13, 2016, 02:13:46 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 01:11:27 PM
Nobody said Kerry smashed the boombox. That was counter to everything ever written on the subject.
Woj, who claims to have been in the room, wrote in his book on the 2004 Cubs that it was "a position player." So you guys are definitely wrong.
Paul Sullivan told me that Kerry and Sammy were friends and that Kerry wouldn't do that. The scuttlebutt he heard was that it was Barrett, which checks out given everything we know about him.
The position player scuttlebutt I heard was Todd Walker. I'd never heard Barrett.
That's possible. Sullivan couldn't confirm exactly who it was.
Couldn't or wouldn't? If it's the former, he's a worse goddamn reporter than I thought, unless his view was being blocked by a footstool.
He told me he wasn't there.
For the record, I'm in the anti-smashing boombox camp. You don't fuck with a man's tunes.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:21:50 PM
For the record, I'm in the anti-smashing boombox camp. You don't fuck with a man's tunes.
It was a dumb thing to do, but so was Sammy walking away from the team that day. They were all assholes. Let's just move on.
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:21:50 PM
For the record, I'm in the anti-smashing boombox camp. You don't fuck with a man's tunes.
It was a dumb thing to do, but so was Sammy walking away from the team that day. They were all assholes. Let's just move on.
As long as people stop pulling Kerry Wood into this I'm good.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:21:50 PM
For the record, I'm in the anti-smashing boombox camp. You don't fuck with a man's tunes.
You do if it becomes everyone's tunes by fiat.
Quote from: flannj on May 13, 2016, 02:35:13 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:21:50 PM
For the record, I'm in the anti-smashing boombox camp. You don't fuck with a man's tunes.
You do if it becomes everyone's tunes by fiat.
I'm not going to lie, I've tossed a CD or two out of a car window on road trips before. But a boombox is sacred thing.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:27:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 02:24:24 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:21:50 PM
For the record, I'm in the anti-smashing boombox camp. You don't fuck with a man's tunes.
It was a dumb thing to do, but so was Sammy walking away from the team that day. They were all assholes. Let's just move on.
As long as people stop pulling Kerry Wood into this I'm good.
Pretty sure Wood wouldn't do passive-aggressive shit like fucking up guy's radio. Think he'd take it to the stage.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:21:50 PM
For the record, I'm in the anti-smashing boombox camp. You don't fuck with a man's tunes.
Maybe you do if that man chose the tunes every day for the last 8,000 days and it was always terrible, ear-splitting salsa music.
Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 02:52:19 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:21:50 PM
For the record, I'm in the anti-smashing boombox camp. You don't fuck with a man's tunes.
Maybe you do if that man chose the tunes every day for the last 8,000 days and it was always terrible, ear-splitting salsa music.
I don't like salsa music at all. When I was younger, I probably would have done some shit like that. I was horrible. Ask Steve Garvey.
But LEAVE KERRY OUT OF THIS!!!!
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:55:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 02:52:19 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:21:50 PM
For the record, I'm in the anti-smashing boombox camp. You don't fuck with a man's tunes.
Maybe you do if that man chose the tunes every day for the last 8,000 days and it was always terrible, ear-splitting salsa music.
I don't like salsa music at all. When I was younger, I probably would have done some shit like that. I was horrible. Ask Steve Garvey.
But LEAVE KERRY OUT OF THIS!!!!
In every clubhouse in MLB, the superstar picks the music. You don't like salsa? Roid the fuck up.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 13, 2016, 02:56:42 PM
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:21:50 PM
For the record, I'm in the anti-smashing boombox camp. You don't fuck with a man's tunes.
Maybe you do if that man chose the tunes every day for the last 8,000 days and it was always terrible, ear-splitting salsa music.
I don't like salsa music at all. When I was younger, I probably would have done some shit like that. I was horrible. Ask Steve Garvey.
But LEAVE KERRY OUT OF THIS!!!!
In every clubhouse in MLB, the superstar picks the music. You don't like salsa? Roid the fuck up.
Cue the obligatory "Fork knows a lot about MLB clubhouse codes" meme.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 13, 2016, 02:56:42 PM
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:21:50 PM
For the record, I'm in the anti-smashing boombox camp. You don't fuck with a man's tunes.
Maybe you do if that man chose the tunes every day for the last 8,000 days and it was always terrible, ear-splitting salsa music.
I don't like salsa music at all. When I was younger, I probably would have done some shit like that. I was horrible. Ask Steve Garvey.
But LEAVE KERRY OUT OF THIS!!!!
In every clubhouse in MLB, the superstar picks the music. You don't like salsa? Roid the fuck up.
Yeah except by that point Sosa was clearly no longer the superstar, and he ran away from the team rather than have our feces flung at him like everyone else. The boombox smashing was justified. I have rendered my verdict.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 13, 2016, 02:56:42 PM
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:21:50 PM
For the record, I'm in the anti-smashing boombox camp. You don't fuck with a man's tunes.
Maybe you do if that man chose the tunes every day for the last 8,000 days and it was always terrible, ear-splitting salsa music.
I don't like salsa music at all. When I was younger, I probably would have done some shit like that. I was horrible. Ask Steve Garvey.
But LEAVE KERRY OUT OF THIS!!!!
In every clubhouse in MLB, the superstar picks the music. You don't like salsa? Roid the fuck up.
Fuck that who controls the music shit. You try and survive a road trip with me and Pex.
We'll show you who picks the fucking music. It won't be just CDs that get thrown out the damn window.
Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 02:58:32 PM
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:21:50 PM
For the record, I'm in the anti-smashing boombox camp. You don't fuck with a man's tunes.
Maybe you do if that man chose the tunes every day for the last 8,000 days and it was always terrible, ear-splitting salsa music.
I don't like salsa music at all. When I was younger, I probably would have done some shit like that. I was horrible. Ask Steve Garvey.
But LEAVE KERRY OUT OF THIS!!!!
In every clubhouse in MLB, the superstar picks the music. You don't like salsa? Roid the fuck up.
Yeah except by that point Sosa was clearly no longer the superstar, and he ran away from the team rather than have our feces flung at him like everyone else. The boombox smashing was justified. I have rendered my verdict.
Did Sosa ever come back to that clubhouse ever again?
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:21:50 PM
For the record, I'm in the anti-smashing boombox camp. You don't fuck with a man's tunes.
Maybe you do if that man chose the tunes every day for the last 8,000 days and it was always terrible, ear-splitting salsa music.
I don't like salsa music at all. When I was younger, I probably would have done some shit like that. I was horrible. Ask Steve Garvey.
But LEAVE KERRY OUT OF THIS!!!!
In every clubhouse in MLB, the superstar picks the music. You don't like salsa? Roid the fuck up.
Fuck that who controls the music shit. You try and survive a road trip with me and Pex.
We'll show you who picks the fucking music. It won't be just CDs that get thrown out the damn window.
A grand desipio road trip is even more amusing in my imagination than all of us working at Desipio, INC.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 13, 2016, 03:00:30 PM
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:21:50 PM
For the record, I'm in the anti-smashing boombox camp. You don't fuck with a man's tunes.
Maybe you do if that man chose the tunes every day for the last 8,000 days and it was always terrible, ear-splitting salsa music.
I don't like salsa music at all. When I was younger, I probably would have done some shit like that. I was horrible. Ask Steve Garvey.
But LEAVE KERRY OUT OF THIS!!!!
In every clubhouse in MLB, the superstar picks the music. You don't like salsa? Roid the fuck up.
Yeah except by that point Sosa was clearly no longer the superstar, and he ran away from the team rather than have our feces flung at him like everyone else. The boombox smashing was justified. I have rendered my verdict.
Did Sosa ever come back to that clubhouse ever again?
Ask Fork. He hangs out in there apparently.
Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 03:02:03 PM
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:21:50 PM
For the record, I'm in the anti-smashing boombox camp. You don't fuck with a man's tunes.
Maybe you do if that man chose the tunes every day for the last 8,000 days and it was always terrible, ear-splitting salsa music.
I don't like salsa music at all. When I was younger, I probably would have done some shit like that. I was horrible. Ask Steve Garvey.
But LEAVE KERRY OUT OF THIS!!!!
In every clubhouse in MLB, the superstar picks the music. You don't like salsa? Roid the fuck up.
Fuck that who controls the music shit. You try and survive a road trip with me and Pex.
We'll show you who picks the fucking music. It won't be just CDs that get thrown out the damn window.
A grand desipio road trip is even more amusing in my imagination than all of us working at Desipio, INC.
Granite City here we come!
Quote from: SKO on May 13, 2016, 03:02:03 PM
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:21:50 PM
For the record, I'm in the anti-smashing boombox camp. You don't fuck with a man's tunes.
Maybe you do if that man chose the tunes every day for the last 8,000 days and it was always terrible, ear-splitting salsa music.
I don't like salsa music at all. When I was younger, I probably would have done some shit like that. I was horrible. Ask Steve Garvey.
But LEAVE KERRY OUT OF THIS!!!!
In every clubhouse in MLB, the superstar picks the music. You don't like salsa? Roid the fuck up.
Fuck that who controls the music shit. You try and survive a road trip with me and Pex.
We'll show you who picks the fucking music. It won't be just CDs that get thrown out the damn window.
A grand desipio road trip is even more amusing in my imagination than all of us working at Desipio, INC.
I still think I can get that Rah Rah/BC Road Trip to the Rooftop documentary Kickstarted if I ever decide to get off my lazy ass and do something with my life.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 03:06:47 PM
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:21:50 PM
For the record, I'm in the anti-smashing boombox camp. You don't fuck with a man's tunes.
Maybe you do if that man chose the tunes every day for the last 8,000 days and it was always terrible, ear-splitting salsa music.
I don't like salsa music at all. When I was younger, I probably would have done some shit like that. I was horrible. Ask Steve Garvey.
But LEAVE KERRY OUT OF THIS!!!!
In every clubhouse in MLB, the superstar picks the music. You don't like salsa? Roid the fuck up.
Fuck that who controls the music shit. You try and survive a road trip with me and Pex.
We'll show you who picks the fucking music. It won't be just CDs that get thrown out the damn window.
A grand desipio road trip is even more amusing in my imagination than all of us working at Desipio, INC.
I still think I can get that Rah Rah/BC Road Trip to the Rooftop documentary Kickstarted if I ever decide to get off my lazy ass and do something with my life.
That would be better than the time Insane Clown Posse watched/commented on the "Call Me Maybe" video.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 13, 2016, 03:17:16 PM
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 13, 2016, 02:21:50 PM
For the record, I'm in the anti-smashing boombox camp. You don't fuck with a man's tunes.
Maybe you do if that man chose the tunes every day for the last 8,000 days and it was always terrible, ear-splitting salsa music.
I don't like salsa music at all. When I was younger, I probably would have done some shit like that. I was horrible. Ask Steve Garvey.
But LEAVE KERRY OUT OF THIS!!!!
In every clubhouse in MLB, the superstar picks the music. You don't like salsa? Roid the fuck up.
Fuck that who controls the music shit. You try and survive a road trip with me and Pex.
We'll show you who picks the fucking music. It won't be just CDs that get thrown out the damn window.
A grand desipio road trip is even more amusing in my imagination than all of us working at Desipio, INC.
I still think I can get that Rah Rah/BC Road Trip to the Rooftop documentary Kickstarted if I ever decide to get off my lazy ass and do something with my life.
That would be better than the time Insane Clown Posse watched/commented on the "Call Me Maybe" video.
Literally anything sounds better than that.
I never believed it was Kerry. Kerry would have taken a piss on it. Which is a hell of a lot more elegant than some basic trailer park hulk smash bullshit.
Quote from: Grandmaster Wang on May 13, 2016, 03:26:12 PM
I never believed it was Kerry. Kerry would have taken a piss on it. Which is a hell of a lot more elegant than some basic trailer park hulk smash bullshit.
To be clear, Barrett would've pissed on it, too. But Kerry would've unplugged it first.
God damn you, Chuck. If your beliefs made a damn lick of sense, I wouldn't have read this thread today.
This thread sucks. Here's something that makes it better. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/max-scherzers-20-strikeouts-and-quality-of-competition/)
Quote from: Oleg on May 13, 2016, 06:33:24 PM
This thread sucks. Here's something that makes it better. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/max-scherzers-20-strikeouts-and-quality-of-competition/)
[John Oliver]To be fair[/John Oliver], it's the thread John Lackey deserves.
Chuck is doing some Paul-level trolling.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 13, 2016, 08:50:11 AM
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Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:37:26 AM
It's way too early to try and wrap my head around how Chuck argues on the Internet.
If the discussion is "Was Michael Barrett awful or was he serviceable" I think it's best if everyone just logs off. He obviously wasn't awful.
Zambrano disagreed. Possibly my favorite thing Z ever did was beat the shit out of Barrett.
Late to the party. Barrett sucked. Chuck is the most correct he will ever be in his life. Back in 2007, Barrett played for two teams that played beyond Game 162. Check out those teams records in games in which Barrett started vs. games he did not play. The Barrett-less PadresCubs of 2007 make the 2016 Cubs look like maybe not the 1962 Mets, but maybe the 1991 Cleveland Indians.
Check out this mediocre offering from Bradt's blog nine years ago. (http://hirejimessian.com/2007/07/23/addition-by-subtraction/)
Quote from: Brownie on May 14, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 13, 2016, 08:50:11 AM
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Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:37:26 AM
It's way too early to try and wrap my head around how Chuck argues on the Internet.
If the discussion is "Was Michael Barrett awful or was he serviceable" I think it's best if everyone just logs off. He obviously wasn't awful.
Zambrano disagreed. Possibly my favorite thing Z ever did was beat the shit out of Barrett.
Late to the party. Barrett sucked. Chuck is the most correct he will ever be in his life. Back in 2007, Barrett played for two teams that played beyond Game 162. Check out those teams records in games in which Barrett started vs. games he did not play. The Barrett-less PadresCubs of 2007 make the 2016 Cubs look like maybe not the 1962 Mets, but maybe the 1991 Cleveland Indians.
Check out this mediocre offering from Bradt's blog nine years ago. (http://hirejimessian.com/2007/07/23/addition-by-subtraction/)
Oh, TJ.
Quote from: Tonker on May 13, 2016, 11:47:25 AM
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So again, Chuck's favorite moment for one of the best pitchers in franchise history was when he threw a shitfit during a game where he gave up five runs (and the Cubs lost) and went and deliberately injured the team's above average catcher, because Chuck hated said above average catcher for a passed ball or something.
Barrett smashed Sosa's boombox. He was probably not entirely not racist.
I thought Kerry smashed the boombox, and we were all fine with that when it was him, supposedly.
Again, I'm not saying Barrett isn't a redass, but for fuck's sake, this is some of the Chuckiest Chuck that ever Chucked.
He's also responsible for the last unassisted putout of a runner stealing second by a catcher that I can remember.
I don't remember this, and am at a loss to explain how it might happen. Don't be a tease, CT.
Sorry to leave you in suspense, but a high workload + long Friday afternoon meeting meant I couldn't get to this until now. With Huey lurking, I knew I had to find the proof to back up my assertion. This meant doing something I REALLY didn't want to do, which was comb through the fucking box scores of the 2004 Cubs season. It actually wasn't as bad as I thought, other than having to stop for a brief sobbing fit after the events of the Mackowiak double-header and the reminder that Andy Pratt was indeed a thing that actually happened.
Which brings us to the events of July 1st, 2004. Cubs vs. Astros. Mark Prior vs. Pete Munro. The Astros had acquired Carlos Beltran 6 days earlier, and Beltran had singlehandedly made this a game, hitting two homers to drive in all 4 of Houston's runs.
With the score tied in top of the 9th, Morgan Ensberg singled into centerfield off Kyle Farnsworth. Then, with Broad Brad Ausmus at the plate, Ensberg was caught between 1st and 2nd in what I can only assume was a botched hit-and-run attempt. Ensberg froze, and Barrett actually made the smart play for possibly the only time in his career. He jumped up from behind the plate and ran directly at Ensberg, waiting for him break for either 1st or 2nd. Ensberg never moved and Barrett tagged him out. Score it Ensberg caught stealing, catcher unassisted.
After a scoreless 10th inning from Jon Iceman Leicester City, Sammy Sosa hit Brad Lidge's first offering into the left field seats to end it. I'm sure that bedlam erupted and there was much mutual HJE.
I didn't watch another second of Cubs baseball that season, so I'm just going to assume that everything turned out all right.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN200407010.shtml
Quote from: Brownie on May 14, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
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It's way too early to try and wrap my head around how Chuck argues on the Internet.
If the discussion is "Was Michael Barrett awful or was he serviceable" I think it's best if everyone just logs off. He obviously wasn't awful.
Zambrano disagreed. Possibly my favorite thing Z ever did was beat the shit out of Barrett.
Late to the party. Barrett sucked. Chuck is the most correct he will ever be in his life. Back in 2007, Barrett played for two teams that played beyond Game 162. Check out those teams records in games in which Barrett started vs. games he did not play. The Barrett-less PadresCubs of 2007 make the 2016 Cubs look like maybe not the 1962 Mets, but maybe the 1991 Cleveland Indians.
Check out this mediocre offering from Bradt's blog nine years ago. (http://hirejimessian.com/2007/07/23/addition-by-subtraction/)
I remember when the Cubs had a great record with Koyie Dolan Hill and he sucked.
Quote from: ChuckD on May 14, 2016, 01:07:58 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2016, 10:26:16 AM
Mackowiak double-header
*TRIGGERED*
I was there, man. I was
there.I was never able to photoshop the same after that.
Quote from: Yeti on May 14, 2016, 11:47:24 AM
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Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:37:26 AM
It's way too early to try and wrap my head around how Chuck argues on the Internet.
If the discussion is "Was Michael Barrett awful or was he serviceable" I think it's best if everyone just logs off. He obviously wasn't awful.
Zambrano disagreed. Possibly my favorite thing Z ever did was beat the shit out of Barrett.
Late to the party. Barrett sucked. Chuck is the most correct he will ever be in his life. Back in 2007, Barrett played for two teams that played beyond Game 162. Check out those teams records in games in which Barrett started vs. games he did not play. The Barrett-less PadresCubs of 2007 make the 2016 Cubs look like maybe not the 1962 Mets, but maybe the 1991 Cleveland Indians.
Check out this mediocre offering from Bradt's blog nine years ago. (http://hirejimessian.com/2007/07/23/addition-by-subtraction/)
I remember when the Cubs had a great record with Koyie Dolan Hill and he sucked.
If it means winning more games, give me 25 Koyie Hills.
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Mackowiak double-header
*TRIGGERED*
Everything hurts
You can't realize how nice it was to forget about something until you remember you forgot about it.
-- Jaden Smith (maybebly)
Quote from: Brownie on May 14, 2016, 10:04:47 PM
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 13, 2016, 08:50:11 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 13, 2016, 08:43:34 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:37:26 AM
It's way too early to try and wrap my head around how Chuck argues on the Internet.
If the discussion is "Was Michael Barrett awful or was he serviceable" I think it's best if everyone just logs off. He obviously wasn't awful.
Zambrano disagreed. Possibly my favorite thing Z ever did was beat the shit out of Barrett.
Late to the party. Barrett sucked. Chuck is the most correct he will ever be in his life. Back in 2007, Barrett played for two teams that played beyond Game 162. Check out those teams records in games in which Barrett started vs. games he did not play. The Barrett-less PadresCubs of 2007 make the 2016 Cubs look like maybe not the 1962 Mets, but maybe the 1991 Cleveland Indians.
Check out this mediocre offering from Bradt's blog nine years ago. (http://hirejimessian.com/2007/07/23/addition-by-subtraction/)
I remember when the Cubs had a great record with Koyie Dolan Hill and he sucked.
If it means winning more games, give me 25 Koyie Hills.
The point is it doesn't?
I still remember seeing the Pirates call of the game on sportscenter on an endless loop.
MACK WACK TALLY WACK, GIVE THAT DAD A GRAND SLAM was the call, or something similar. Even more reason to burn Pittsburgh to the ground.
Quote from: SKO on May 16, 2016, 08:31:48 AM
I still remember seeing the Pirates call of the game on sportscenter on an endless loop.
MACK WACK TALLY WACK, GIVE THAT DAD A GRAND SLAM was the call, or something similar. Even more reason to burn Pittsburgh to the ground.
Also more reason to love Pat Hughes and Len Kasper.
Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2016, 08:31:11 AM
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 13, 2016, 08:50:11 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 13, 2016, 08:43:34 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2016, 08:37:26 AM
It's way too early to try and wrap my head around how Chuck argues on the Internet.
If the discussion is "Was Michael Barrett awful or was he serviceable" I think it's best if everyone just logs off. He obviously wasn't awful.
Zambrano disagreed. Possibly my favorite thing Z ever did was beat the shit out of Barrett.
Late to the party. Barrett sucked. Chuck is the most correct he will ever be in his life. Back in 2007, Barrett played for two teams that played beyond Game 162. Check out those teams records in games in which Barrett started vs. games he did not play. The Barrett-less PadresCubs of 2007 make the 2016 Cubs look like maybe not the 1962 Mets, but maybe the 1991 Cleveland Indians.
Check out this mediocre offering from Bradt's blog nine years ago. (http://hirejimessian.com/2007/07/23/addition-by-subtraction/)
I remember when the Cubs had a great record with Koyie Dolan Hill and he sucked.
If it means winning more games, give me 25 Koyie Hills.
The point is it doesn't?
True, but a roster of 25 Barretts would figure out how to lose 163 games in a 162-game season.
Bumpage for the continued awesome run from our starters. Love/hate this guy, but he's pitching about as well as he did last yr when he was the ace for the mouthbreathers.
Fuck you, everybody else except Huey.
Quote from: Tonker on June 04, 2016, 01:50:21 AM
Fuck you, everybody else except Huey.
There is nothing that has a greater rate of success than a giphy search for "fuck you Huey".
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Quote from: Tonker on June 04, 2016, 01:50:21 AM
Fuck you, everybody else except Huey.
There is nothing that has a greater rate of success than a giphy search for "fuck you Huey".
This is, for whatever it's worth, true.
This starting staff is just sooo fucking ridiculous. It's like a daily competition between the 5. I haven't checked the stats, but other than Lester's horrible 2.2 start a few weeks ago haven't they all gone at least 5? And SKO, I KNOW your ass will look this up, but how many starts have they gone at least 6? I'd check, but gotta bail.
Quote from: PANK! on June 08, 2016, 03:10:44 PM
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Fuck you, everybody else except Huey.
Bump.
Just beat me to it. Everybody else is fucking stupid.
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Fuck you, everybody else except Huey.
Bump.
Just beat me to it. Everybody else is fucking stupid.
Pretty sure I defended Lackey in this thread too. So fuck YOU Tonk for not excluding me from the fuck you's. Also, fuck everybody else who doubted Lackey's status as a top of the rotation starter in his prime.
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2016, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 08, 2016, 03:13:40 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 08, 2016, 03:10:44 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 04, 2016, 01:50:21 AM
Fuck you, everybody else except Huey.
Bump.
Just beat me to it. Everybody else is fucking stupid.
Pretty sure I defended Lackey in this thread too. So fuck YOU Tonk for not excluding me from the fuck you's. Also, fuck everybody else who doubted Lackey's status as a top of the rotation starter in his prime.
He's just planning to Snork you all later.
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2016, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 08, 2016, 03:13:40 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 08, 2016, 03:10:44 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 04, 2016, 01:50:21 AM
Fuck you, everybody else except Huey.
Bump.
Just beat me to it. Everybody else is fucking stupid.
Pretty sure I defended Lackey in this thread too. So fuck YOU Tonk for not excluding me from the fuck you's. Also, fuck everybody else who doubted Lackey's status as a top of the rotation starter in his prime.
If it means getting fucked just to avoid being in a club with Huey and Tonker, well, I'll be fucked.
Quote from: Tonker on June 04, 2016, 01:50:21 AM
Fuck you, everybody else except Huey.
You want to brexit this bandwagon you're on yet, Welshman?
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2016, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 04, 2016, 01:50:21 AM
Fuck you, everybody else except Huey.
You want to brexit this bandwagon you're on yet, Welshman?
No, not yet, because I'm a grown-up who doesn't still flid out when the water gets a little choppy. We'll see at the end of the year, shall we?
Quote from: Tonker on July 05, 2016, 02:26:33 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2016, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 04, 2016, 01:50:21 AM
Fuck you, everybody else except Huey.
You want to brexit this bandwagon you're on yet, Welshman?
No, not yet, because I'm a grown-up who doesn't still flid out when the water gets a little choppy. We'll see at the end of the year, shall we?
Let's see if he can hold off the unstoppable Red machine while the Cubs drag his ass back into this game.
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2016, 02:35:45 PM
Quote from: Tonker on July 05, 2016, 02:26:33 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2016, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 04, 2016, 01:50:21 AM
Fuck you, everybody else except Huey.
You want to brexit this bandwagon you're on yet, Welshman?
No, not yet, because I'm a grown-up who doesn't still flid out when the water gets a little choppy. We'll see at the end of the year, shall we?
Let's see if he can hold off the unstoppable Red machine while the Cubs drag his ass back into this game.
(http://turbobocce.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Fringe-S3x12-Outlook-not-so-good.jpg)
Anyone else notice the resemblance of John Lackey to a certain goat?
I still blame him for getting Schwarber hurt.
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2016, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 04, 2016, 01:50:21 AM
Fuck you, everybody else except Huey.
You want to brexit this bandwagon you're on yet, Welshman?
The fact that he's been somewhat off for the past month matters more than the fact that he pitched ineffectively against a bad team today (if memory serves, he's pitched rather well against Washington and St. Louis).
Still, Lackey was acquired for the postseason. If you'd still have rather have Hammel plugging the hole in that dyke (!) knock yourself out Since they're going to be in the postseason regardless of how frustrated you are right now, I recommend you save yourself the angst and wait to lose your shit until then eh, champ?
Quote from: PANK! on July 05, 2016, 09:05:50 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2016, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 04, 2016, 01:50:21 AM
Fuck you, everybody else except Huey.
You want to brexit this bandwagon you're on yet, Welshman?
The fact that he's been somewhat off for the past month matters more than the fact that he pitched ineffectively against a bad team today (if memory serves, he's pitched rather well against Washington and St. Louis).
Still, Lackey was acquired for the postseason. If you'd still have rather have Hammel plugging the hole in that dyke (!) knock yourself out Since they're going to be in the postseason regardless of how frustrated you are right now, I recommend you save yourself the angst and wait to lose your shit until then eh, champ?
Up is down, dogs living with cats, Huey calling for calm...
Quote from: PANK! on July 05, 2016, 09:05:50 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2016, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 04, 2016, 01:50:21 AM
Fuck you, everybody else except Huey.
You want to brexit this bandwagon you're on yet, Welshman?
The fact that he's been somewhat off for the past month matters more than the fact that he pitched ineffectively against a bad team today (if memory serves, he's pitched rather well against Washington and St. Louis).
Still, Lackey was acquired for the postseason. If you'd still have rather have Hammel plugging the hole in that dyke (!) knock yourself out Since they're going to be in the postseason regardless of how frustrated you are right now, I recommend you save yourself the angst and wait to lose your shit until then eh, champ?
All fair points, but on the other hand, fuck him.
Quote from: PANK! on July 05, 2016, 09:05:50 PM
Still, Lackey was acquired for the postseason.
I'll go into his first postseason start hoping they can score 10 runs to overcome the high likelihood that he shits the bed (and then screams at the shit for being in the bed in the first place).
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2016, 08:43:55 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 05, 2016, 09:05:50 PM
Still, Lackey was acquired for the postseason.
I'll go into his first postseason start hoping they can score 10 runs to overcome the high likelihood that he shits the bed (and then screams at the shit for being in the bed in the first place).
I hope Contreras catches him, so I can finally be treated to the on-field pummeling I've been hoping for.
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2016, 08:43:55 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 05, 2016, 09:05:50 PM
Still, Lackey was acquired for the postseason.
I'll go into his first postseason start hoping they can score 10 runs to overcome the high likelihood that he shits the bed (and then screams at the shit for being in the bed in the first place).
I enjoyed his lazy ass watching that ball bounce off the backstop as Hamilton raced home, and I'm sure he'll remember that the next time he's yelling at some dude admiring a 500 foot homer they hit off of one of his belt high fastballs to run the bases.
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2016, 08:43:55 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 05, 2016, 09:05:50 PM
Still, Lackey was acquired for the postseason.
I'll go into his first postseason start hoping they can score 10 runs to overcome the high likelihood that he shits the bed (and then screams at the shit for being in the bed in the first place).
He stymied a pretty solid Cubs offense last year in outdueling Lester in Game 1 of the NLDS (7 1/3, 3 baserunners) before the Cubs finally got to him (well, Baez, mostly) in his next turn--and even that game hinged on the Cubs adding on against the bullpen because Jason Fucking Hammel (over whom, I feel I need to repeat, Lackey is a pretty big step up, all things considered).
That is to say, feel free to see how this plays out.
Quote from: PANK! on July 06, 2016, 08:50:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2016, 08:43:55 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 05, 2016, 09:05:50 PM
Still, Lackey was acquired for the postseason.
I'll go into his first postseason start hoping they can score 10 runs to overcome the high likelihood that he shits the bed (and then screams at the shit for being in the bed in the first place).
He stymied a pretty solid Cubs offense last year in outdueling Lester in Game 1 of the NLDS (7 1/3, 3 baserunners) before the Cubs finally got to him (well, Baez, mostly) in his next turn--and even that game hinged on the Cubs adding on against the bullpen because Jason Fucking Hammel (over whom, I feel I need to repeat, Lackey is a pretty big step up, all things considered).
That is to say, feel free to see how this plays out.
See, you mistake me hating John Lackey (which I do, and will, forever, unless he wins like 4 postseason games this year) for me thinking Lackey is forever a garbage player or not an upgrade over Jason Hammel. I don't want him shot out of a cannon at the moment. They undoubtedly need him.
I don't have to like him, and on days when he sucks I will vent my righteous fury, because he's a mouthbreathing redassed fuckwit with a garbage personality and unless he's kicking ass for my favorite team he can fuck right off.
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2016, 09:15:28 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 06, 2016, 08:50:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2016, 08:43:55 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 05, 2016, 09:05:50 PM
Still, Lackey was acquired for the postseason.
I'll go into his first postseason start hoping they can score 10 runs to overcome the high likelihood that he shits the bed (and then screams at the shit for being in the bed in the first place).
He stymied a pretty solid Cubs offense last year in outdueling Lester in Game 1 of the NLDS (7 1/3, 3 baserunners) before the Cubs finally got to him (well, Baez, mostly) in his next turn--and even that game hinged on the Cubs adding on against the bullpen because Jason Fucking Hammel (over whom, I feel I need to repeat, Lackey is a pretty big step up, all things considered).
That is to say, feel free to see how this plays out.
See, you mistake me hating John Lackey (which I do, and will, forever, unless he wins like 4 postseason games this year) for me thinking Lackey is forever a garbage player or not an upgrade over Jason Hammel. I don't want him shot out of a cannon at the moment. They undoubtedly need him.
I don't have to like him, and on days when he sucks I will vent my righteous fury, because he's a mouthbreathing redassed fuckwit with a garbage personality and unless he's kicking ass for my favorite team he can fuck right off.
I, for one, will never get tired of SKO venting his righteous fury.
Quote from: Tonker on July 06, 2016, 11:40:38 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2016, 09:15:28 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 06, 2016, 08:50:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2016, 08:43:55 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 05, 2016, 09:05:50 PM
Still, Lackey was acquired for the postseason.
I'll go into his first postseason start hoping they can score 10 runs to overcome the high likelihood that he shits the bed (and then screams at the shit for being in the bed in the first place).
He stymied a pretty solid Cubs offense last year in outdueling Lester in Game 1 of the NLDS (7 1/3, 3 baserunners) before the Cubs finally got to him (well, Baez, mostly) in his next turn--and even that game hinged on the Cubs adding on against the bullpen because Jason Fucking Hammel (over whom, I feel I need to repeat, Lackey is a pretty big step up, all things considered).
That is to say, feel free to see how this plays out.
See, you mistake me hating John Lackey (which I do, and will, forever, unless he wins like 4 postseason games this year) for me thinking Lackey is forever a garbage player or not an upgrade over Jason Hammel. I don't want him shot out of a cannon at the moment. They undoubtedly need him.
I don't have to like him, and on days when he sucks I will vent my righteous fury, because he's a mouthbreathing redassed fuckwit with a garbage personality and unless he's kicking ass for my favorite team he can fuck right off.
I, for one, will never get tired of SKO venting his righteous fury.
Seems legit.
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2016, 08:49:56 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2016, 08:43:55 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 05, 2016, 09:05:50 PM
Still, Lackey was acquired for the postseason.
I'll go into his first postseason start hoping they can score 10 runs to overcome the high likelihood that he shits the bed (and then screams at the shit for being in the bed in the first place).
I enjoyed his lazy ass watching that ball bounce off the backstop as Hamilton raced home, and I'm sure he'll remember that the next time he's yelling at some dude admiring a 500 foot homer they hit off of one of his belt high fastballs to run the bases.
He's got a loooooong memory. *spits tobacco* *grunts* *mouth remains open throughout*
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2016, 08:49:56 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2016, 08:43:55 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 05, 2016, 09:05:50 PM
Still, Lackey was acquired for the postseason.
I'll go into his first postseason start hoping they can score 10 runs to overcome the high likelihood that he shits the bed (and then screams at the shit for being in the bed in the first place).
I enjoyed his lazy ass watching that ball bounce off the backstop as Hamilton raced home, and I'm sure he'll remember that the next time he's yelling at some dude admiring a 500 foot homer they hit off of one of his belt high fastballs to run the bases.
Seemed more like sulking than lazy, if that matters.
Ok, I'm officially on the hate train with the mouthbreathing, inbred hickerbillie. Can we just trade for another starter and kick his ass to the curb please?
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on July 23, 2016, 07:38:59 PM
Ok, I'm officially on the hate train with the mouthbreathing, inbred hickerbillie. Can we just trade for another starter and kick his ass to the curb please?
Where is the "like" button?
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on July 23, 2016, 07:38:59 PM
Ok, I'm officially on the hate train with the mouthbreathing, inbred hickerbillie. Can we just trade for another starter and kick his ass to the curb please?
Really? A quality start tipped you over the edge?
I hate Lackey a lot but he wasn't really the issue last night.
Good game tonight. Good to know the Cubs only need 6 innings out of him each game from here on out.
Nice pitch, you red-assed redneck.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 03, 2016, 03:19:03 PM
Nice pitch, you red-assed redneck.
.561 career OPS for Mathis, though that'll now go up a tick thanks to mouthbreath.
And yes, bullshit tolerators, 7 IP, 3 ER is still a respectable outing for a back of the rotation blah blah, give up a 2 run dinger to Stanton instead. Give up Dingers The Right Way
TM
After the game, Lackey was asked about expectations.
He answered, "We want to win the World Series. I didn't come here for a haircut...I came here for jewelry."
Don't make me love you, you Napoleon Dynamite-looking motherfucker.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 03, 2016, 08:26:08 PM
After the game, Lackey was asked about expectations.
He answered, "We want to win the World Series. I didn't come here for a haircut...I came here for jewelry."
Don't make me love you, you Napoleon Dynamite-looking motherfucker.
That makes you love him?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 04, 2016, 01:32:08 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 03, 2016, 08:26:08 PM
After the game, Lackey was asked about expectations.
He answered, "We want to win the World Series. I didn't come here for a haircut...I came here for jewelry."
Don't make me love you, you Napoleon Dynamite-looking motherfucker.
That makes you love him?
Guys not wanting to mention the ultimate goal (for instance, it's pretty taboo for hockey players to even
mention the Stanley Cup) gets tiresome. I want guys being upfront about it. You can only hit what you aim for.
I've gotta say I do love his attitude towards the game, but I think watching tonight's interview was the 1st time I've heard him talk. WOW, talk about an inbread, halfwit moron. He looks like he has no clue wtf is going on around him. Someone needs to photoshop a a pillow behind his head for the picture on Bleacher Report of his interview. Looks like he's sleeping in the interview, full-on mouthbreathing glory.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 27, 2016, 10:46:22 PM
I've gotta say I do love his attitude towards the game, but I think watching tonight's interview was the 1st time I've heard him talk. WOW, talk about an inbread, halfwit moron. He looks like he has no clue wtf is going on around him. Someone needs to photoshop a a pillow behind his head for the picture on Bleacher Report of his interview. Looks like he's sleeping in the interview, full-on mouthbreathing glory.
I am dead.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 27, 2016, 11:42:03 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 27, 2016, 10:46:22 PM
I've gotta say I do love his attitude towards the game, but I think watching tonight's interview was the 1st time I've heard him talk. WOW, talk about an inbread, halfwit moron. He looks like he has no clue wtf is going on around him. Someone needs to photoshop a a pillow behind his head for the picture on Bleacher Report of his interview. Looks like he's sleeping in the interview, full-on mouthbreathing glory.
I am indead.
Sorry, after seeing all the posts here I deemed it worthless to view an interview with him til I saw the interview pic tonight.
A lead? No thanks.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 29, 2016, 07:37:52 PM
A lead? No thanks.
Can they euthanize this asshole after tonight? Totally worthless and a godawful signing.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 29, 2016, 07:47:50 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 29, 2016, 07:37:52 PM
A lead? No thanks.
Can they euthanize this asshole after tonight? Totally worthless and a godawful signing.
Euthanasia sounds too humane.
Oh well.
Starts the year by getting Schwarber hurt.
Ends the year shitting the bed in a start the Cubs had to have.
Fuck you, you mouth-breathing pussy.
Montgomery has an easy automatic out by forcing a runner at third. Instead he throws to second and the throw to first is late. Next play the runner at third scores.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 29, 2016, 08:52:26 PM
Starts the year by getting Schwarber hurt.
Ends the year shitting the bed in a start the Cubs had to have.
Fuck you, you mouth-breathing pussy.
Honestly, his outing ended up OK. They can win with a start like that. You know, if the offense hadn't withered up and died.
Quote from: Eli on October 29, 2016, 09:19:02 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 29, 2016, 08:52:26 PM
Starts the year by getting Schwarber hurt.
Ends the year shitting the bed in a start the Cubs had to have.
Fuck you, you mouth-breathing pussy.
Honestly, his outing ended up OK. They can win with a start like that. You know, if the offense hadn't withered up and died.
Swinging at fucking everything. Cleveland is having their way with them.
Quote from: Eli on October 29, 2016, 09:19:02 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 29, 2016, 08:52:26 PM
Starts the year by getting Schwarber hurt.
Ends the year shitting the bed in a start the Cubs had to have.
Fuck you, you mouth-breathing pussy.
Honestly, his outing ended up OK. They can win with a start like that. You know, if the offense hadn't withered up and died.
He shit the fucking bed as soon as the Cubs took the lead. Fuck this piece of shit.
You got your jewelry. Now get a fuckin' haircut.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 03, 2016, 01:30:30 AM
You got your jewelry. Now get a fuckin' haircut.
Guess he reads here (https://twitter.com/klackey33/status/795690862445465600).
John Lackey wasn't useless today? Mind blown.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2017, 10:10:51 PM
John Lackey wasn't useless today? Mind blown.
He'll give me a reason to hate him again in his next start.
Quote from: CBStew on May 09, 2017, 10:47:53 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2017, 10:10:51 PM
John Lackey wasn't useless today? Mind blown.
He'll give me a reason to hate him again in his next start.
That didn't take long.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 16, 2017, 07:12:20 PM
Quote from: CBStew on May 09, 2017, 10:47:53 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2017, 10:10:51 PM
John Lackey wasn't useless today? Mind blown.
He'll give me a reason to hate him again in his next start.
That didn't take long.
Wind howling out and he gives up 3 in 5.1? It'll do. Don't let me stop you from hating him, though.
Quote from: Oleg on May 17, 2017, 09:05:12 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 16, 2017, 07:12:20 PM
Quote from: CBStew on May 09, 2017, 10:47:53 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2017, 10:10:51 PM
John Lackey wasn't useless today? Mind blown.
He'll give me a reason to hate him again in his next start.
That didn't take long.
Wind howling out and he gives up 3 in 5.1? It'll do. Don't let me stop you from hating him, though.
I need to learn to hold my tongue on Lackey until after the 2nd inning. He almost always gives up 1-2 in the early going and I rage because my rage against him is barely ever held in check and then he usually settles down and has a quality start. He's a perfectly acceptable five with a very hateable face.
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2017, 09:21:15 AM
Quote from: Oleg on May 17, 2017, 09:05:12 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 16, 2017, 07:12:20 PM
Quote from: CBStew on May 09, 2017, 10:47:53 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2017, 10:10:51 PM
John Lackey wasn't useless today? Mind blown.
He'll give me a reason to hate him again in his next start.
That didn't take long.
Wind howling out and he gives up 3 in 5.1? It'll do. Don't let me stop you from hating him, though.
I need to learn to hold my tongue on Lackey until after the 2nd inning. He almost always gives up 1-2 in the early going and I rage because my rage against him is barely ever held in check and then he usually settles down and has a quality start. He's a perfectly acceptable five with a very hateable face.
I can definitely approve of this message. #TeamHateableFace
Quote from: Oleg on May 17, 2017, 09:05:12 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 16, 2017, 07:12:20 PM
Quote from: CBStew on May 09, 2017, 10:47:53 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2017, 10:10:51 PM
John Lackey wasn't useless today? Mind blown.
He'll give me a reason to hate him again in his next start.
That didn't take long.
Wind howling out and he gives up 3 in 5.1? It'll do. Don't let me stop you from hating him, though.
Oh don't worry, you won't.
...and all that was found in the ashes of the barn was a set of hauntingly white teeth.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 23, 2017, 09:16:16 AM
...and all that was found in the ashes of the barn was a set of hauntingly white teeth.
And Fork, who showed up late
Fuck this gutless fucking asshole.
I want the Cubs to trade for a good starter and move Lackey to the bullpen. Mostly because he sucks but partially because I want to laugh at his inevitable red assed reaction to the demotion.
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2017, 10:10:52 AM
I want the Cubs to trade for a good starter and move Lackey to the bullpen. Mostly because he sucks but partially because I want to laugh at his inevitable red assed reaction to the demotion.
Anybody interested in a shortstop with sore knuckles?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 08, 2017, 10:18:17 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2017, 10:10:52 AM
I want the Cubs to trade for a good starter and move Lackey to the bullpen. Mostly because he sucks but partially because I want to laugh at his inevitable red assed reaction to the demotion.
Anybody interested in a shortstop with sore knuckles?
What's that got to do with Lackey?
Man, when Fork gets a notion in his head, he's unstoppable...
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on June 08, 2017, 10:59:59 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 08, 2017, 10:18:17 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2017, 10:10:52 AM
I want the Cubs to trade for a good starter and move Lackey to the bullpen. Mostly because he sucks but partially because I want to laugh at his inevitable red assed reaction to the demotion.
Anybody interested in a shortstop with sore knuckles?
What's that got to do with Lackey?
Man, when Fork gets a notion in his head, he's unstoppable...
Trading for a good starting pitcher was the first point here. How do you propose the Cubs get one without giving up anything good?
I mean, even if this whole shitstorm winds up just being a wet fart, one of the choices Jepstink might still have to make is Baez or Russell.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 08, 2017, 12:35:29 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on June 08, 2017, 10:59:59 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 08, 2017, 10:18:17 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2017, 10:10:52 AM
I want the Cubs to trade for a good starter and move Lackey to the bullpen. Mostly because he sucks but partially because I want to laugh at his inevitable red assed reaction to the demotion.
Anybody interested in a shortstop with sore knuckles?
What's that got to do with Lackey?
Man, when Fork gets a notion in his head, he's unstoppable...
Trading for a good starting pitcher was the first point here. How do you propose the Cubs get one without giving up anything good?
I mean, even if this whole shitstorm winds up just being a wet fart, one of the choices Jepstink might still have to make is Baez or Russell.
Russell may have made that decision easier.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 08, 2017, 12:35:29 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on June 08, 2017, 10:59:59 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 08, 2017, 10:18:17 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2017, 10:10:52 AM
I want the Cubs to trade for a good starter and move Lackey to the bullpen. Mostly because he sucks but partially because I want to laugh at his inevitable red assed reaction to the demotion.
Anybody interested in a shortstop with sore knuckles?
What's that got to do with Lackey?
Man, when Fork gets a notion in his head, he's unstoppable...
Trading for a good starting pitcher was the first point here. How do you propose the Cubs get one without giving up anything good?
I mean, even if this whole shitstorm winds up just being a wet fart, one of the choices Jepstink might still have to make is Baez or Russell.
Pretty confident when I say that literally no one on this message board has made that argument.
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2017, 01:30:47 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 08, 2017, 12:35:29 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on June 08, 2017, 10:59:59 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 08, 2017, 10:18:17 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2017, 10:10:52 AM
I want the Cubs to trade for a good starter and move Lackey to the bullpen. Mostly because he sucks but partially because I want to laugh at his inevitable red assed reaction to the demotion.
Anybody interested in a shortstop with sore knuckles?
What's that got to do with Lackey?
Man, when Fork gets a notion in his head, he's unstoppable...
Trading for a good starting pitcher was the first point here. How do you propose the Cubs get one without giving up anything good?
I mean, even if this whole shitstorm winds up just being a wet fart, one of the choices Jepstink might still have to make is Baez or Russell.
Pretty confident when I say that literally no one on this message board has made that argument.
Nobody did. But Huard was so anxious to paint me as running some sort of kangaroo court (MLB is investigating, and they've suspended bigger stars than Russell, so they're not sweeping anything uder the rug here) that my suggestion that a player maybe being somewhat more available these days due to off-field issues was somehow pushing a narrative.
Or maybe Huard thinks we can get Kershaw for LaStella. Remember, not a meatball.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 08, 2017, 01:46:09 PM
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2017, 01:30:47 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 08, 2017, 12:35:29 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on June 08, 2017, 10:59:59 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 08, 2017, 10:18:17 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2017, 10:10:52 AM
I want the Cubs to trade for a good starter and move Lackey to the bullpen. Mostly because he sucks but partially because I want to laugh at his inevitable red assed reaction to the demotion.
Anybody interested in a shortstop with sore knuckles?
What's that got to do with Lackey?
Man, when Fork gets a notion in his head, he's unstoppable...
Trading for a good starting pitcher was the first point here. How do you propose the Cubs get one without giving up anything good?
I mean, even if this whole shitstorm winds up just being a wet fart, one of the choices Jepstink might still have to make is Baez or Russell.
Pretty confident when I say that literally no one on this message board has made that argument.
Nobody did. But Huard was so anxious to paint me as running some sort of kangaroo court (MLB is investigating, and they've suspended bigger stars than Russell, so they're not sweeping anything uder the rug here) that my suggestion that a player maybe being somewhat more available these days due to off-field issues was somehow pushing a narrative.
Or maybe Huard thinks we can get Kershaw for LaStella. Remember, not a meatball.
Russell's value is not what it was a few months ago. Or even three years ago, especially if he's facing a 30-game suspension.
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I want the Cubs to trade for a good starter and move Lackey to the bullpen. Mostly because he sucks but partially because I want to laugh at his inevitable red assed reaction to the demotion.
Anybody interested in a shortstop with sore knuckles?
What's that got to do with Lackey?
Man, when Fork gets a notion in his head, he's unstoppable...
Trading for a good starting pitcher was the first point here. How do you propose the Cubs get one without giving up anything good?
I mean, even if this whole shitstorm winds up just being a wet fart, one of the choices Jepstink might still have to make is Baez or Russell.
Pretty confident when I say that literally no one on this message board has made that argument.
Nobody did. But Huard was so anxious to paint me as running some sort of kangaroo court (MLB is investigating, and they've suspended bigger stars than Russell, so they're not sweeping anything uder the rug here) that my suggestion that a player maybe being somewhat more available these days due to off-field issues was somehow pushing a narrative.
Or maybe Huard thinks we can get Kershaw for LaStella. Remember, not a meatball.
Russell's value is not what it was a few months ago. Or even three years ago, especially if he's facing a 30-game suspension.
The Yankees got a top 5 prospect for a domestic abuser who's a far less valuable player than Russell is.
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I want the Cubs to trade for a good starter and move Lackey to the bullpen. Mostly because he sucks but partially because I want to laugh at his inevitable red assed reaction to the demotion.
Anybody interested in a shortstop with sore knuckles?
What's that got to do with Lackey?
Man, when Fork gets a notion in his head, he's unstoppable...
Trading for a good starting pitcher was the first point here. How do you propose the Cubs get one without giving up anything good?
I mean, even if this whole shitstorm winds up just being a wet fart, one of the choices Jepstink might still have to make is Baez or Russell.
Pretty confident when I say that literally no one on this message board has made that argument.
Nobody did. But Huard was so anxious to paint me as running some sort of kangaroo court (MLB is investigating, and they've suspended bigger stars than Russell, so they're not sweeping anything uder the rug here) that my suggestion that a player maybe being somewhat more available these days due to off-field issues was somehow pushing a narrative.
Or maybe Huard thinks we can get Kershaw for LaStella. Remember, not a meatball.
Russell's value is not what it was a few months ago. Or even three years ago, especially if he's facing a 30-game suspension.
30 games is a drop in the bucket for an elite glove who is under control for 4 years after this one.
Back to Lackey...
Fels speaks for me (http://theivydrip.com/hey-john-lackey-go-fk/).
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Back to Lackey...
Fels speaks for me (http://theivydrip.com/hey-john-lackey-go-fk/).
If he wasn't wearing the cowboy hat maybe I could sympathize with him.
Still shitty.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 12, 2017, 07:00:46 PM
Still shitty.
It doesn't matter. Give up 100 if your offense is going to continue to suck.
Bronson Arroyo leads MLB with 20 HR allowed.
Lackey is at 19.
C'Mon John, you got this.
AtCubs posted photos of Ol' John for Fathers' Day, reminding us that every child deserves a dad who leaves his mother when she selfishly gets cancer.
Today was a much-needed effort, and one for which he was long overdue to deliver. I was reminded of a similar game on the Sunday right before the All-Star Break last season, when the Cubs had already gone 5-15 (and 27-29 over a near-2-month stretch) and it had felt like they kept losing leads and Lackey did, in fact, lose the lead in this game--twice I wanna say--but otherwise kept them in until they could hang on for what-amounts-to-whatever-value-a-single-regular-season-win-for-a-103-win-team-can-be. Well that game was also against Pittsburgh and those are about the only 2 times I'll probably recall Lackey fondly (maybe a third--when he shoved it up STL's ass 1-0 in one of his earliest starts) since he sure has shit didn't do a thing in the playoffs last year (and hopefully won't get a chance this year).
FTGDFGA (This, not these)
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Bronson Arroyo leads MLB with 20 HR allowed.
Lackey is at 19.
C'Mon John, you got this.
Last night put him one ahead of Arroyo and Nolasco with 24.
Good to see the time off has helped Lackey...
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John Lackey wasn't useless today? Mind blown.
He'll give me a reason to hate him again in his next start.
That didn't take long.
Wind howling out and he gives up 3 in 5.1? It'll do. Don't let me stop you from hating him, though.
I need to learn to hold my tongue on Lackey until after the 2nd inning. He almost always gives up 1-2 in the early going and I rage because my rage against him is barely ever held in check and then he usually settles down and has a quality start. He's a perfectly acceptable five with a very hateable face.
Optimistic Bump.
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John Lackey wasn't useless today? Mind blown.
He'll give me a reason to hate him again in his next start.
That didn't take long.
Wind howling out and he gives up 3 in 5.1? It'll do. Don't let me stop you from hating him, though.
I need to learn to hold my tongue on Lackey until after the 2nd inning. He almost always gives up 1-2 in the early going and I rage because my rage against him is barely ever held in check and then he usually settles down and has a quality start. He's a perfectly acceptable five with a very hateable face.
Optimistic Bump.
I'm not ready to say anything after this start, he gave up quite a few rocket shots that found gloves, too. Until he strings 2-3 good ones together I'm still on Team Replace This Horsefaced Sonofabitch.
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John Lackey wasn't useless today? Mind blown.
He'll give me a reason to hate him again in his next start.
That didn't take long.
Wind howling out and he gives up 3 in 5.1? It'll do. Don't let me stop you from hating him, though.
I need to learn to hold my tongue on Lackey until after the 2nd inning. He almost always gives up 1-2 in the early going and I rage because my rage against him is barely ever held in check and then he usually settles down and has a quality start. He's a perfectly acceptable five with a very hateable face.
Optimistic Bump.
I'm not ready to say anything after this start, he gave up quite a few rocket shots that found gloves, too. Until he strings 2-3 good ones together I'm still on Team Replace This Horsefaced Sonofabitch.
I'm on Team Who Gives A Shit He's Not Making The Postseason Roster Anyway.
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John Lackey wasn't useless today? Mind blown.
He'll give me a reason to hate him again in his next start.
That didn't take long.
Wind howling out and he gives up 3 in 5.1? It'll do. Don't let me stop you from hating him, though.
I need to learn to hold my tongue on Lackey until after the 2nd inning. He almost always gives up 1-2 in the early going and I rage because my rage against him is barely ever held in check and then he usually settles down and has a quality start. He's a perfectly acceptable five with a very hateable face.
Optimistic Bump.
I'm not ready to say anything after this start, he gave up quite a few rocket shots that found gloves, too. Until he strings 2-3 good ones together I'm still on Team Replace This Horsefaced Sonofabitch.
I'm on Team Who Gives A Shit He's Not Making The Postseason Roster Anyway.
I'm on Team They Still Trail In the Division And Can Hardly Afford to Handicap Themselves By Starting A Guy With an ERA Over 5 Every 5th Day This Is Not Last Year.
If he manages to string together a decent month or two, they pass Milwaukee and don't look back, then yeah, that's fine. If his next start or two before the deadline look as bad as most of his starts before the break and they're still chasing or tied with Milwaukee they should see if there are any upgrades out there. Doesn't need to be a Sonny Gray caliber pitcher, just some Dan Haren type who can give you 5 or 6 innings and only allow 3 runs, not 5.
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John Lackey wasn't useless today? Mind blown.
He'll give me a reason to hate him again in his next start.
That didn't take long.
Wind howling out and he gives up 3 in 5.1? It'll do. Don't let me stop you from hating him, though.
I need to learn to hold my tongue on Lackey until after the 2nd inning. He almost always gives up 1-2 in the early going and I rage because my rage against him is barely ever held in check and then he usually settles down and has a quality start. He's a perfectly acceptable five with a very hateable face.
Optimistic Bump.
I'm not ready to say anything after this start, he gave up quite a few rocket shots that found gloves, too. Until he strings 2-3 good ones together I'm still on Team Replace This Horsefaced Sonofabitch.
I'm on Team Who Gives A Shit He's Not Making The Postseason Roster Anyway.
I'm on Team They Still Trail In the Division And Can Hardly Afford to Handicap Themselves By Starting A Guy With an ERA Over 5 Every 5th Day This Is Not Last Year.
If he manages to string together a decent month or two, they pass Milwaukee and don't look back, then yeah, that's fine. If his next start or two before the deadline look as bad as most of his starts before the break and they're still chasing or tied with Milwaukee they should see if there are any upgrades out there. Doesn't need to be a Sonny Gray caliber pitcher, just some Dan Haren type who can give you 5 or 6 innings and only allow 3 runs, not 5.
Once Hendricks is back in the rotation (this weekend), one option that can be explored is the Butler/Montgomery two-headed monster. But if Jake is truly awesome again (over his last 8-10 starts, it certainly looks like he is) and Hendricks' finger is OK and he's back to his machinelike self, they're going to play .650 ball from here on out, regardless of who eats innings in the 5 slot. Shit, put
me out there.
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John Lackey wasn't useless today? Mind blown.
He'll give me a reason to hate him again in his next start.
That didn't take long.
Wind howling out and he gives up 3 in 5.1? It'll do. Don't let me stop you from hating him, though.
I need to learn to hold my tongue on Lackey until after the 2nd inning. He almost always gives up 1-2 in the early going and I rage because my rage against him is barely ever held in check and then he usually settles down and has a quality start. He's a perfectly acceptable five with a very hateable face.
Optimistic Bump.
I'm not ready to say anything after this start, he gave up quite a few rocket shots that found gloves, too. Until he strings 2-3 good ones together I'm still on Team Replace This Horsefaced Sonofabitch.
I'm on Team Who Gives A Shit He's Not Making The Postseason Roster Anyway.
I'm on Team They Still Trail In the Division And Can Hardly Afford to Handicap Themselves By Starting A Guy With an ERA Over 5 Every 5th Day This Is Not Last Year.
If he manages to string together a decent month or two, they pass Milwaukee and don't look back, then yeah, that's fine. If his next start or two before the deadline look as bad as most of his starts before the break and they're still chasing or tied with Milwaukee they should see if there are any upgrades out there. Doesn't need to be a Sonny Gray caliber pitcher, just some Dan Haren type who can give you 5 or 6 innings and only allow 3 runs, not 5.
Once Hendricks is back in the rotation (this weekend), one option that can be explored is the Butler/Montgomery two-headed monster. But if Jake is truly awesome again (over his last 8-10 starts, it certainly looks like he is) and Hendricks' finger is OK and he's back to his machinelike self, they're going to play .650 ball from here on out, regardless of who eats innings in the 5 slot. Shit, put me out there.
No thanks. And hard disagree on Jake being "awesome" again; you obviously don't remember 2015 at all. His FIP and xFIP in his last 8 starts is in the mid-4's.
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John Lackey wasn't useless today? Mind blown.
He'll give me a reason to hate him again in his next start.
That didn't take long.
Wind howling out and he gives up 3 in 5.1? It'll do. Don't let me stop you from hating him, though.
I need to learn to hold my tongue on Lackey until after the 2nd inning. He almost always gives up 1-2 in the early going and I rage because my rage against him is barely ever held in check and then he usually settles down and has a quality start. He's a perfectly acceptable five with a very hateable face.
Optimistic Bump.
I'm not ready to say anything after this start, he gave up quite a few rocket shots that found gloves, too. Until he strings 2-3 good ones together I'm still on Team Replace This Horsefaced Sonofabitch.
I'm on Team Who Gives A Shit He's Not Making The Postseason Roster Anyway.
I'm on Team They Still Trail In the Division And Can Hardly Afford to Handicap Themselves By Starting A Guy With an ERA Over 5 Every 5th Day This Is Not Last Year.
If he manages to string together a decent month or two, they pass Milwaukee and don't look back, then yeah, that's fine. If his next start or two before the deadline look as bad as most of his starts before the break and they're still chasing or tied with Milwaukee they should see if there are any upgrades out there. Doesn't need to be a Sonny Gray caliber pitcher, just some Dan Haren type who can give you 5 or 6 innings and only allow 3 runs, not 5.
Once Hendricks is back in the rotation (this weekend), one option that can be explored is the Butler/Montgomery two-headed monster. But if Jake is truly awesome again (over his last 8-10 starts, it certainly looks like he is) and Hendricks' finger is OK and he's back to his machinelike self, they're going to play .650 ball from here on out, regardless of who eats innings in the 5 slot. Shit, put me out there.
No thanks. And hard disagree on Jake being "awesome" again; you obviously don't remember 2015 at all. His FIP and xFIP in his last 8 starts is in the mid-4's.
I mean I'll buy that Jake is "fixed" to some extent. He was kind of unlucky earlier in the year. His strikeout and walk numbers were good, he wasn't allowing that many hits, he was just allowing an unsustainably high HR/FB rate. Since the start of June his ERA is 3.57 and I'll buy that we can probably expect about that going forward. Like you said though, that's hardly Awesome Jake Arrieta, that's "Pretty Good Third Starter Man". Which is fine, I guess. If Hendricks is back in 2016 form when he returns and Lester is over his mid-season slump, Quintana slots in as the new #2, all Jake has to be is a pretty good four. He's just not gonna ever be That Guy again.
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John Lackey wasn't useless today? Mind blown.
He'll give me a reason to hate him again in his next start.
That didn't take long.
Wind howling out and he gives up 3 in 5.1? It'll do. Don't let me stop you from hating him, though.
I need to learn to hold my tongue on Lackey until after the 2nd inning. He almost always gives up 1-2 in the early going and I rage because my rage against him is barely ever held in check and then he usually settles down and has a quality start. He's a perfectly acceptable five with a very hateable face.
Optimistic Bump.
I'm not ready to say anything after this start, he gave up quite a few rocket shots that found gloves, too. Until he strings 2-3 good ones together I'm still on Team Replace This Horsefaced Sonofabitch.
I'm on Team Who Gives A Shit He's Not Making The Postseason Roster Anyway.
I'm on Team They Still Trail In the Division And Can Hardly Afford to Handicap Themselves By Starting A Guy With an ERA Over 5 Every 5th Day This Is Not Last Year.
If he manages to string together a decent month or two, they pass Milwaukee and don't look back, then yeah, that's fine. If his next start or two before the deadline look as bad as most of his starts before the break and they're still chasing or tied with Milwaukee they should see if there are any upgrades out there. Doesn't need to be a Sonny Gray caliber pitcher, just some Dan Haren type who can give you 5 or 6 innings and only allow 3 runs, not 5.
Nice to know SKO still stays close to his path to the ledge, fretting about the final 10 starts of the Cubs' #5 starter that can't be squandered because of--oh no, the Brewers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cgrEA6eQ_g)!
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John Lackey wasn't useless today? Mind blown.
He'll give me a reason to hate him again in his next start.
That didn't take long.
Wind howling out and he gives up 3 in 5.1? It'll do. Don't let me stop you from hating him, though.
I need to learn to hold my tongue on Lackey until after the 2nd inning. He almost always gives up 1-2 in the early going and I rage because my rage against him is barely ever held in check and then he usually settles down and has a quality start. He's a perfectly acceptable five with a very hateable face.
Optimistic Bump.
I'm not ready to say anything after this start, he gave up quite a few rocket shots that found gloves, too. Until he strings 2-3 good ones together I'm still on Team Replace This Horsefaced Sonofabitch.
I'm on Team Who Gives A Shit He's Not Making The Postseason Roster Anyway.
I'm on Team They Still Trail In the Division And Can Hardly Afford to Handicap Themselves By Starting A Guy With an ERA Over 5 Every 5th Day This Is Not Last Year.
If he manages to string together a decent month or two, they pass Milwaukee and don't look back, then yeah, that's fine. If his next start or two before the deadline look as bad as most of his starts before the break and they're still chasing or tied with Milwaukee they should see if there are any upgrades out there. Doesn't need to be a Sonny Gray caliber pitcher, just some Dan Haren type who can give you 5 or 6 innings and only allow 3 runs, not 5.
Nice to know SKO still stays close to his path to the ledge, fretting about the final 10 starts of the Cubs' #5 starter that can't be squandered because of--oh no, the Brewers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cgrEA6eQ_g)!
I'm not on the ledge at all, I quite expect them to surpass the Brewers and win the division, that said I don't think it's radical or ledge-jumping to say they've used up their margin for error for the most part and that if Lackey can't get his ERA down under 5 in the next couple of weeks they should absolutely look into an upgrade for that spot.
I think you all really miss ledge-jumping SKO and you're desperate to have him as a foil. In case anyone was paying attention I was the first one ridiculing TJ and his ridiculous "Cubs should sell" nonsense a few weeks ago.
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John Lackey wasn't useless today? Mind blown.
He'll give me a reason to hate him again in his next start.
That didn't take long.
Wind howling out and he gives up 3 in 5.1? It'll do. Don't let me stop you from hating him, though.
I need to learn to hold my tongue on Lackey until after the 2nd inning. He almost always gives up 1-2 in the early going and I rage because my rage against him is barely ever held in check and then he usually settles down and has a quality start. He's a perfectly acceptable five with a very hateable face.
Optimistic Bump.
I'm not ready to say anything after this start, he gave up quite a few rocket shots that found gloves, too. Until he strings 2-3 good ones together I'm still on Team Replace This Horsefaced Sonofabitch.
I'm on Team Who Gives A Shit He's Not Making The Postseason Roster Anyway.
I'm on Team They Still Trail In the Division And Can Hardly Afford to Handicap Themselves By Starting A Guy With an ERA Over 5 Every 5th Day This Is Not Last Year.
If he manages to string together a decent month or two, they pass Milwaukee and don't look back, then yeah, that's fine. If his next start or two before the deadline look as bad as most of his starts before the break and they're still chasing or tied with Milwaukee they should see if there are any upgrades out there. Doesn't need to be a Sonny Gray caliber pitcher, just some Dan Haren type who can give you 5 or 6 innings and only allow 3 runs, not 5.
Nice to know SKO still stays close to his path to the ledge, fretting about the final 10 starts of the Cubs' #5 starter that can't be squandered because of--oh no, the Brewers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cgrEA6eQ_g)!
I'm not on the ledge at all, I quite expect them to surpass the Brewers and win the division, that said I don't think it's radical or ledge-jumping to say they've used up their margin for error for the most part and that if Lackey can't get his ERA down under 5 in the next couple of weeks they should absolutely look into an upgrade for that spot.
I think you all really miss ledge-jumping SKO and you're desperate to have him as a foil. In case anyone was paying attention I was the first one ridiculing TJ and his ridiculous "Cubs should sell" nonsense a few weeks ago.
Didn't say you were on the ledge, just that you keep the path to it close.
Honest question because I don't know, but is the Brewers #5 starter better than Lackey?
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John Lackey wasn't useless today? Mind blown.
He'll give me a reason to hate him again in his next start.
That didn't take long.
Wind howling out and he gives up 3 in 5.1? It'll do. Don't let me stop you from hating him, though.
I need to learn to hold my tongue on Lackey until after the 2nd inning. He almost always gives up 1-2 in the early going and I rage because my rage against him is barely ever held in check and then he usually settles down and has a quality start. He's a perfectly acceptable five with a very hateable face.
Optimistic Bump.
I'm not ready to say anything after this start, he gave up quite a few rocket shots that found gloves, too. Until he strings 2-3 good ones together I'm still on Team Replace This Horsefaced Sonofabitch.
I'm on Team Who Gives A Shit He's Not Making The Postseason Roster Anyway.
I'm on Team They Still Trail In the Division And Can Hardly Afford to Handicap Themselves By Starting A Guy With an ERA Over 5 Every 5th Day This Is Not Last Year.
If he manages to string together a decent month or two, they pass Milwaukee and don't look back, then yeah, that's fine. If his next start or two before the deadline look as bad as most of his starts before the break and they're still chasing or tied with Milwaukee they should see if there are any upgrades out there. Doesn't need to be a Sonny Gray caliber pitcher, just some Dan Haren type who can give you 5 or 6 innings and only allow 3 runs, not 5.
Nice to know SKO still stays close to his path to the ledge, fretting about the final 10 starts of the Cubs' #5 starter that can't be squandered because of--oh no, the Brewers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cgrEA6eQ_g)!
I'm not on the ledge at all, I quite expect them to surpass the Brewers and win the division, that said I don't think it's radical or ledge-jumping to say they've used up their margin for error for the most part and that if Lackey can't get his ERA down under 5 in the next couple of weeks they should absolutely look into an upgrade for that spot.
I think you all really miss ledge-jumping SKO and you're desperate to have him as a foil. In case anyone was paying attention I was the first one ridiculing TJ and his ridiculous "Cubs should sell" nonsense a few weeks ago.
Didn't say you were on the ledge, just that you keep the path to it close.
Honest question because I don't know, but is the Brewers #5 starter better than Lackey?
I mean, in reality? Probably not, but every person on that roster not named Ryan Braun is playing well over their heads and should have regressed before now so who knows if/when it'll happen. They called up some asshole named Brent Suter who throws like 82 and he's got a 2.98 FIP. I keep expecting their collapse any day now (and maybe this 3 game skid and the current brutal road trip they are on followed by a trip home to find the Cubs waiting for them will be it) but I never thought they'd keep it up this far so I'm being cautious on prognosticating their inevitable doom.
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John Lackey wasn't useless today? Mind blown.
He'll give me a reason to hate him again in his next start.
That didn't take long.
Wind howling out and he gives up 3 in 5.1? It'll do. Don't let me stop you from hating him, though.
I need to learn to hold my tongue on Lackey until after the 2nd inning. He almost always gives up 1-2 in the early going and I rage because my rage against him is barely ever held in check and then he usually settles down and has a quality start. He's a perfectly acceptable five with a very hateable face.
Optimistic Bump.
I'm not ready to say anything after this start, he gave up quite a few rocket shots that found gloves, too. Until he strings 2-3 good ones together I'm still on Team Replace This Horsefaced Sonofabitch.
I'm on Team Who Gives A Shit He's Not Making The Postseason Roster Anyway.
I'm on Team They Still Trail In the Division And Can Hardly Afford to Handicap Themselves By Starting A Guy With an ERA Over 5 Every 5th Day This Is Not Last Year.
If he manages to string together a decent month or two, they pass Milwaukee and don't look back, then yeah, that's fine. If his next start or two before the deadline look as bad as most of his starts before the break and they're still chasing or tied with Milwaukee they should see if there are any upgrades out there. Doesn't need to be a Sonny Gray caliber pitcher, just some Dan Haren type who can give you 5 or 6 innings and only allow 3 runs, not 5.
Nice to know SKO still stays close to his path to the ledge, fretting about the final 10 starts of the Cubs' #5 starter that can't be squandered because of--oh no, the Brewers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cgrEA6eQ_g)!
I'm not on the ledge at all, I quite expect them to surpass the Brewers and win the division, that said I don't think it's radical or ledge-jumping to say they've used up their margin for error for the most part and that if Lackey can't get his ERA down under 5 in the next couple of weeks they should absolutely look into an upgrade for that spot.
I think you all really miss ledge-jumping SKO and you're desperate to have him as a foil. In case anyone was paying attention I was the first one ridiculing TJ and his ridiculous "Cubs should sell" nonsense a few weeks ago.
Didn't say you were on the ledge, just that you keep the path to it close.
Honest question because I don't know, but is the Brewers #5 starter better than Lackey?
I mean, in reality? Probably not, but every person on that roster not named Ryan Braun is playing well over their heads and should have regressed before now so who knows if/when it'll happen. They called up some asshole named Bruce Suter who throws like 82 and he's got a 2.98 FIP. I keep expecting their collapse any day now (and maybe this 3 game skid and the current brutal road trip they are on followed by a trip home to find the Cubs waiting for them will be it) but I never thought they'd keep it up this far so I'm being cautious on prognosticating their inevitable doom.
You seem angstsy over these shitbirds.
Fuck Milwaukee. These turds'll be lucky to finish with 84 wins.
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You seem angstsy over these shitbirds.
Fuck Milwaukee. These turds'll be lucky to finish with 84 wins.
I think you confuse the fact that I just use a lot of words to say literally anything with angst.
Although yeah I predict the Cubs have a fairly standard second half for them and finish with 90 wins while Milwaukee taps out around 83/84. As I've said before I think the NL Central is just re-playing 2014, with the Cubs playing the part of the Cardinals, but Milwaukee's on desperate times and needs the money so they were willing to reprise the role of "unexpected All Star Break Division Leader that Collapses Late and Doesn't Even Finish All That Close at the End."
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I mean I'll buy that Jake is "fixed" to some extent. He was kind of unlucky earlier in the year. His strikeout and walk numbers were good, he wasn't allowing that many hits, he was just allowing an unsustainably high HR/FB rate. Since the start of June his ERA is 3.57 and I'll buy that we can probably expect about that going forward. Like you said though, that's hardly Awesome Jake Arrieta, that's "Pretty Good Third Starter Man". Which is fine, I guess. If Hendricks is back in 2016 form when he returns and Lester is over his mid-season slump, Quintana slots in as the new #2, all Jake has to be is a pretty good four. He's just not gonna ever be That Guy again.
That will be for another team to find out.
Oh if Bryant just seriously injured himself I am on the ledge again. Over the ledge. Can't even see the ledge, it's a long way down.
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Oh if Bryant just seriously injured himself I am on the ledge again. Over the ledge. Can't even see the ledge, it's a long way down.
Snap the fuck out of it.
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Oh if Bryant just seriously injured himself I am on the ledge again. Over the ledge. Can't even see the ledge, it's a long way down.
Snap the fuck out of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bjEpLoL0ls
I just finished reading The Cubs Way, which was very enjoyable. In the book, Lester talks about how, most years, it takes a pitcher around 100 innings to get comfortable with his mechanics.
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I just finished reading The Cubs Way, which was very enjoyable. In the book, Lester talks about how, most years, it takes a pitcher around 100 innings to get comfortable with his mechanics.
How many innings does it take to decide we want someone FIREBARNed?
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I just finished reading The Cubs Way, which was very enjoyable. In the book, Lester talks about how, most years, it takes a pitcher around 100 innings to get comfortable with his mechanics.
How many innings does it take to decide we want someone FIREBARNed?
I'm thinking 0, +/- a few.
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I just finished reading The Cubs Way, which was very enjoyable. In the book, Lester talks about how, most years, it takes a pitcher around 100 innings to get comfortable with his mechanics.
Particularly in auto racing.
(http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/72d78a1acd0e472ebcc4a57fa8d231cd/mechanics-at-work-on-colorful-indy-race-cars-bbbmrk.jpg)
"Yes, hello, Firebarn Industrial Supply? Do you offer volume discounts?"
He should be forced to pitch in a barbed-wire jockstrap.
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He should be forced to pitch in a barbed-wire jockstrap.
Joe should have PH for him with RISP in the 5th and Lackey clearly having completely lost his command and being at 80 pitches and also being old and shitty. We'll see how this works out
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He should be forced to pitch in a barbed-wire jockstrap.
Joe should have PH for him with RISP in the 5th and Lackey clearly having completely lost his command and being at 80 pitches and also being old and shitty. We'll see how this works out
Poorly. it worked out fucking poorly. I like Joe but he's got to get over this herp-derp Lackey has veteran gumption nonsense. He should have a shorter leash than Jason Hammel ever got.
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He should be forced to pitch in a barbed-wire jockstrap.
Joe should have PH for him with RISP in the 5th and Lackey clearly having completely lost his command and being at 80 pitches and also being old and shitty. We'll see how this works out
Poorly. it worked out fucking poorly. I like Joe but he's got to get over this herp-derp Lackey has veteran gumption nonsense. He should have a shorter leash than Jason Hammel ever got.
He had to milk Lackey a little more than was desirable today because he needed 4 2/3 innings from the bullpen yesterday. As it is, he needs 4 today. Hopefully Jake has 7 to give tomorrow.
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He should be forced to pitch in a barbed-wire jockstrap.
Joe should have PH for him with RISP in the 5th and Lackey clearly having completely lost his command and being at 80 pitches and also being old and shitty. We'll see how this works out
Poorly. it worked out fucking poorly. I like Joe but he's got to get over this herp-derp Lackey has veteran gumption nonsense. He should have a shorter leash than Jason Hammel ever got.
He had to milk Lackey a little more than was desirable today because he needed 4 2/3 innings from the bullpen yesterday. As it is, he needs 4 today. Hopefully Jake has 7 to give tomorrow.
My theory? Maddon left him in long enough to get the win and look better at trade time.
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He should be forced to pitch in a barbed-wire jockstrap.
Joe should have PH for him with RISP in the 5th and Lackey clearly having completely lost his command and being at 80 pitches and also being old and shitty. We'll see how this works out
Poorly. it worked out fucking poorly. I like Joe but he's got to get over this herp-derp Lackey has veteran gumption nonsense. He should have a shorter leash than Jason Hammel ever got.
Fucking THIS. And I'm pretty sure Jason Hammel just felt chills, wherever he is.
I don't know what kind of deal Jesse Rogers has going with John Lackey, but this bizarre story arguing he should stay in the rotation is some major league bullshit toleration.
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Maddon is right in one respect: The Cubs have enough in their rotation right now to win their division. That includes John Lackey, who won his seventh game Tuesday while lowering his ERA under 5.00 for the first time in a month. You can view his four hit batters on Tuesday -- three of which came in one inning -- as a negative, but he gave up only two runs over five innings. He'll take the positives in that.
He made that pitch to Tim Anderson in the fifth inning, inducing a groundout to strand all three runners. Sure, Lackey is the first Cub to hit four batters in a game since 1957. But what's the difference if none of them scored?
Lackey left after allowing the first two batters on base in the sixth, but his pitching line was saved when reliever Carl Edwards Jr. escaped the jam unscathed. And that's the bottom line with Lackey right now: It isn't going to be pretty, but he can still get the job done as the No. 5 pitcher in the rotation.
How his conclusion is "gee, John sure can get it done!" instead of "damn, John sure is lucky Carl Edwards saved his ass" is beyond me. Plus, if Tim Anderson wasn't such a slapdick John easily could have given up 8 runs today. I'll save two spots in the firebarn so Jesse can join his buddy.
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I don't know what kind of deal Jesse Rogers has going with John Lackey, but this bizarre story arguing he should stay in the rotation is some major league bullshit toleration.
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Maddon is right in one respect: The Cubs have enough in their rotation right now to win their division. That includes John Lackey, who won his seventh game Tuesday while lowering his ERA under 5.00 for the first time in a month. You can view his four hit batters on Tuesday -- three of which came in one inning -- as a negative, but he gave up only two runs over five innings. He'll take the positives in that.
He made that pitch to Tim Anderson in the fifth inning, inducing a groundout to strand all three runners. Sure, Lackey is the first Cub to hit four batters in a game since 1957. But what's the difference if none of them scored?
Lackey left after allowing the first two batters on base in the sixth, but his pitching line was saved when reliever Carl Edwards Jr. escaped the jam unscathed. And that's the bottom line with Lackey right now: It isn't going to be pretty, but he can still get the job done as the No. 5 pitcher in the rotation.
How his conclusion is "gee, John sure can get it done!" instead of "damn, John sure is lucky Carl Edwards saved his ass" is beyond me. Plus, if Tim Anderson wasn't such a slapdick John easily could have given up 8 runs today. I'll save two spots in the firebarn so Jesse can join his buddy.
Does Jesse not realize the White Sox fucking suck? He gave up two hits and a walk to Omar Narvaez and his .664 OPS, gave up a hit to Anderson (.630), and a fucking scorched doubled by Carlos Rodon. Any team with an actual major league offense probably puts up 5-6 runs on him there.
Quote from: SKO on July 26, 2017, 07:51:52 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 26, 2017, 01:26:28 AM
I don't know what kind of deal Jesse Rogers has going with John Lackey, but this bizarre story arguing he should stay in the rotation is some major league bullshit toleration.
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Maddon is right in one respect: The Cubs have enough in their rotation right now to win their division. That includes John Lackey, who won his seventh game Tuesday while lowering his ERA under 5.00 for the first time in a month. You can view his four hit batters on Tuesday -- three of which came in one inning -- as a negative, but he gave up only two runs over five innings. He'll take the positives in that.
He made that pitch to Tim Anderson in the fifth inning, inducing a groundout to strand all three runners. Sure, Lackey is the first Cub to hit four batters in a game since 1957. But what's the difference if none of them scored?
Lackey left after allowing the first two batters on base in the sixth, but his pitching line was saved when reliever Carl Edwards Jr. escaped the jam unscathed. And that's the bottom line with Lackey right now: It isn't going to be pretty, but he can still get the job done as the No. 5 pitcher in the rotation.
How his conclusion is "gee, John sure can get it done!" instead of "damn, John sure is lucky Carl Edwards saved his ass" is beyond me. Plus, if Tim Anderson wasn't such a slapdick John easily could have given up 8 runs today. I'll save two spots in the firebarn so Jesse can join his buddy.
Does Jesse not realize the White Sox fucking suck? He gave up two hits and a walk to Omar Narvaez and his .664 OPS, gave up a hit to Anderson (.630), and a fucking scorched doubled by Carlos Rodon. Any team with an actual major league offense probably puts up 5-6 runs on him there.
Any chance someone can push him in front of a speeding garbage truck before he has to face Milwaukee Sunday?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 26, 2017, 09:06:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 26, 2017, 07:51:52 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 26, 2017, 01:26:28 AM
I don't know what kind of deal Jesse Rogers has going with John Lackey, but this bizarre story arguing he should stay in the rotation is some major league bullshit toleration.
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Maddon is right in one respect: The Cubs have enough in their rotation right now to win their division. That includes John Lackey, who won his seventh game Tuesday while lowering his ERA under 5.00 for the first time in a month. You can view his four hit batters on Tuesday -- three of which came in one inning -- as a negative, but he gave up only two runs over five innings. He'll take the positives in that.
He made that pitch to Tim Anderson in the fifth inning, inducing a groundout to strand all three runners. Sure, Lackey is the first Cub to hit four batters in a game since 1957. But what's the difference if none of them scored?
Lackey left after allowing the first two batters on base in the sixth, but his pitching line was saved when reliever Carl Edwards Jr. escaped the jam unscathed. And that's the bottom line with Lackey right now: It isn't going to be pretty, but he can still get the job done as the No. 5 pitcher in the rotation.
How his conclusion is "gee, John sure can get it done!" instead of "damn, John sure is lucky Carl Edwards saved his ass" is beyond me. Plus, if Tim Anderson wasn't such a slapdick John easily could have given up 8 runs today. I'll save two spots in the firebarn so Jesse can join his buddy.
Does Jesse not realize the White Sox fucking suck? He gave up two hits and a walk to Omar Narvaez and his .664 OPS, gave up a hit to Anderson (.630), and a fucking scorched doubled by Carlos Rodon. Any team with an actual major league offense probably puts up 5-6 runs on him there.
Any chance someone can push him in front of a speeding garbage truck before he has to face Milwaukee Sunday?
I am currently holding out hope that Justin Verlander makes that start instead. I know people are hesitant about that contract but it's just 2 years unless he's top 5 in Cy voting in 2019 (in which case you'd probably be happy to take a 22 million dollar option on him for 2020 especially since the qualifying offer will be about that much by then) and with Quintana being so cheap Verlander/Quintana next year would make about 37 mil while the Lackey/Arrieta combo was already making 31 mil this year. Verlander could be a big upgrade at #5 that would presumably not really hamper their long term plans for any FA starters either.
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Quote from: SKO on July 26, 2017, 07:51:52 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 26, 2017, 01:26:28 AM
I don't know what kind of deal Jesse Rogers has going with John Lackey, but this bizarre story arguing he should stay in the rotation is some major league bullshit toleration.
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Maddon is right in one respect: The Cubs have enough in their rotation right now to win their division. That includes John Lackey, who won his seventh game Tuesday while lowering his ERA under 5.00 for the first time in a month. You can view his four hit batters on Tuesday -- three of which came in one inning -- as a negative, but he gave up only two runs over five innings. He'll take the positives in that.
He made that pitch to Tim Anderson in the fifth inning, inducing a groundout to strand all three runners. Sure, Lackey is the first Cub to hit four batters in a game since 1957. But what's the difference if none of them scored?
Lackey left after allowing the first two batters on base in the sixth, but his pitching line was saved when reliever Carl Edwards Jr. escaped the jam unscathed. And that's the bottom line with Lackey right now: It isn't going to be pretty, but he can still get the job done as the No. 5 pitcher in the rotation.
How his conclusion is "gee, John sure can get it done!" instead of "damn, John sure is lucky Carl Edwards saved his ass" is beyond me. Plus, if Tim Anderson wasn't such a slapdick John easily could have given up 8 runs today. I'll save two spots in the firebarn so Jesse can join his buddy.
Does Jesse not realize the White Sox fucking suck? He gave up two hits and a walk to Omar Narvaez and his .664 OPS, gave up a hit to Anderson (.630), and a fucking scorched doubled by Carlos Rodon. Any team with an actual major league offense probably puts up 5-6 runs on him there.
Any chance someone can push him in front of a speeding garbage truck before he has to face Milwaukee Sunday?
I am currently holding out hope that Justin Verlander makes that start instead. I know people are hesitant about that contract but it's just 2 years unless he's top 5 in Cy voting in 2019 (in which case you'd probably be happy to take a 22 million dollar option on him for 2020 especially since the qualifying offer will be about that much by then) and with Quintana being so cheap Verlander/Quintana next year would make about 37 mil while the Lackey/Arrieta combo was already making 31 mil this year. Verlander could be a big upgrade at #5 that would presumably not really hamper their long term plans for any FA starters either.
Verlander would give the Cubs a rotation that is under control for two more years. By then they should be able to start looking to the farm for replacements.
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Quote from: SKO on July 26, 2017, 07:51:52 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 26, 2017, 01:26:28 AM
I don't know what kind of deal Jesse Rogers has going with John Lackey, but this bizarre story arguing he should stay in the rotation is some major league bullshit toleration.
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Maddon is right in one respect: The Cubs have enough in their rotation right now to win their division. That includes John Lackey, who won his seventh game Tuesday while lowering his ERA under 5.00 for the first time in a month. You can view his four hit batters on Tuesday -- three of which came in one inning -- as a negative, but he gave up only two runs over five innings. He'll take the positives in that.
He made that pitch to Tim Anderson in the fifth inning, inducing a groundout to strand all three runners. Sure, Lackey is the first Cub to hit four batters in a game since 1957. But what's the difference if none of them scored?
Lackey left after allowing the first two batters on base in the sixth, but his pitching line was saved when reliever Carl Edwards Jr. escaped the jam unscathed. And that's the bottom line with Lackey right now: It isn't going to be pretty, but he can still get the job done as the No. 5 pitcher in the rotation.
How his conclusion is "gee, John sure can get it done!" instead of "damn, John sure is lucky Carl Edwards saved his ass" is beyond me. Plus, if Tim Anderson wasn't such a slapdick John easily could have given up 8 runs today. I'll save two spots in the firebarn so Jesse can join his buddy.
Does Jesse not realize the White Sox fucking suck? He gave up two hits and a walk to Omar Narvaez and his .664 OPS, gave up a hit to Anderson (.630), and a fucking scorched doubled by Carlos Rodon. Any team with an actual major league offense probably puts up 5-6 runs on him there.
Any chance someone can push him in front of a speeding garbage truck before he has to face Milwaukee Sunday?
I am currently holding out hope that Justin Verlander makes that start instead. I know people are hesitant about that contract but it's just 2 years unless he's top 5 in Cy voting in 2019 (in which case you'd probably be happy to take a 22 million dollar option on him for 2020 especially since the qualifying offer will be about that much by then) and with Quintana being so cheap Verlander/Quintana next year would make about 37 mil while the Lackey/Arrieta combo was already making 31 mil this year. Verlander could be a big upgrade at #5 that would presumably not really hamper their long term plans for any FA starters either.
Verlander would give the Cubs a rotation that is under control for two more years. By then they should be able to start looking to the farm for replacements.
Lackey for Verlander straight up.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 26, 2017, 11:28:00 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 26, 2017, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 26, 2017, 09:39:20 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 26, 2017, 09:06:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 26, 2017, 07:51:52 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 26, 2017, 01:26:28 AM
I don't know what kind of deal Jesse Rogers has going with John Lackey, but this bizarre story arguing he should stay in the rotation is some major league bullshit toleration.
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Maddon is right in one respect: The Cubs have enough in their rotation right now to win their division. That includes John Lackey, who won his seventh game Tuesday while lowering his ERA under 5.00 for the first time in a month. You can view his four hit batters on Tuesday -- three of which came in one inning -- as a negative, but he gave up only two runs over five innings. He'll take the positives in that.
He made that pitch to Tim Anderson in the fifth inning, inducing a groundout to strand all three runners. Sure, Lackey is the first Cub to hit four batters in a game since 1957. But what's the difference if none of them scored?
Lackey left after allowing the first two batters on base in the sixth, but his pitching line was saved when reliever Carl Edwards Jr. escaped the jam unscathed. And that's the bottom line with Lackey right now: It isn't going to be pretty, but he can still get the job done as the No. 5 pitcher in the rotation.
How his conclusion is "gee, John sure can get it done!" instead of "damn, John sure is lucky Carl Edwards saved his ass" is beyond me. Plus, if Tim Anderson wasn't such a slapdick John easily could have given up 8 runs today. I'll save two spots in the firebarn so Jesse can join his buddy.
Does Jesse not realize the White Sox fucking suck? He gave up two hits and a walk to Omar Narvaez and his .664 OPS, gave up a hit to Anderson (.630), and a fucking scorched doubled by Carlos Rodon. Any team with an actual major league offense probably puts up 5-6 runs on him there.
Any chance someone can push him in front of a speeding garbage truck before he has to face Milwaukee Sunday?
I am currently holding out hope that Justin Verlander makes that start instead. I know people are hesitant about that contract but it's just 2 years unless he's top 5 in Cy voting in 2019 (in which case you'd probably be happy to take a 22 million dollar option on him for 2020 especially since the qualifying offer will be about that much by then) and with Quintana being so cheap Verlander/Quintana next year would make about 37 mil while the Lackey/Arrieta combo was already making 31 mil this year. Verlander could be a big upgrade at #5 that would presumably not really hamper their long term plans for any FA starters either.
Verlander would give the Cubs a rotation that is under control for two more years. By then they should be able to start looking to the farm for replacements.
Lackey for Verlander straight up.
I'm hoping for more Verlander+Avila for Candelario and the AAAA guys, some lotto tickets in the lower minors, and the Cubs eating a fuck ton of cash and shooting Lackey into the sun.
Quote from: SKO on July 26, 2017, 11:32:52 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 26, 2017, 11:28:00 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 26, 2017, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 26, 2017, 09:39:20 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 26, 2017, 09:06:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 26, 2017, 07:51:52 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 26, 2017, 01:26:28 AM
I don't know what kind of deal Jesse Rogers has going with John Lackey, but this bizarre story arguing he should stay in the rotation is some major league bullshit toleration.
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Maddon is right in one respect: The Cubs have enough in their rotation right now to win their division. That includes John Lackey, who won his seventh game Tuesday while lowering his ERA under 5.00 for the first time in a month. You can view his four hit batters on Tuesday -- three of which came in one inning -- as a negative, but he gave up only two runs over five innings. He'll take the positives in that.
He made that pitch to Tim Anderson in the fifth inning, inducing a groundout to strand all three runners. Sure, Lackey is the first Cub to hit four batters in a game since 1957. But what's the difference if none of them scored?
Lackey left after allowing the first two batters on base in the sixth, but his pitching line was saved when reliever Carl Edwards Jr. escaped the jam unscathed. And that's the bottom line with Lackey right now: It isn't going to be pretty, but he can still get the job done as the No. 5 pitcher in the rotation.
How his conclusion is "gee, John sure can get it done!" instead of "damn, John sure is lucky Carl Edwards saved his ass" is beyond me. Plus, if Tim Anderson wasn't such a slapdick John easily could have given up 8 runs today. I'll save two spots in the firebarn so Jesse can join his buddy.
Does Jesse not realize the White Sox fucking suck? He gave up two hits and a walk to Omar Narvaez and his .664 OPS, gave up a hit to Anderson (.630), and a fucking scorched doubled by Carlos Rodon. Any team with an actual major league offense probably puts up 5-6 runs on him there.
Any chance someone can push him in front of a speeding garbage truck before he has to face Milwaukee Sunday?
I am currently holding out hope that Justin Verlander makes that start instead. I know people are hesitant about that contract but it's just 2 years unless he's top 5 in Cy voting in 2019 (in which case you'd probably be happy to take a 22 million dollar option on him for 2020 especially since the qualifying offer will be about that much by then) and with Quintana being so cheap Verlander/Quintana next year would make about 37 mil while the Lackey/Arrieta combo was already making 31 mil this year. Verlander could be a big upgrade at #5 that would presumably not really hamper their long term plans for any FA starters either.
Verlander would give the Cubs a rotation that is under control for two more years. By then they should be able to start looking to the farm for replacements.
Lackey for Verlander straight up.
I'm hoping for more Verlander+Avila for Candelario and the AAAA guys, some lotto tickets in the lower minors, and the Cubs eating a fuck ton of cash and shooting Lackey into the sun.
I think the more likely scenario is Candelario to the Mets for Rivera and Lackey being left off the postseason roster. But I do think Verlander could be useful to the Cubs.
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I don't know what kind of deal Jesse Rogers has going with John Lackey, but this bizarre story arguing he should stay in the rotation is some major league bullshit toleration.
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Maddon is right in one respect: The Cubs have enough in their rotation right now to win their division. That includes John Lackey, who won his seventh game Tuesday while lowering his ERA under 5.00 for the first time in a month. You can view his four hit batters on Tuesday -- three of which came in one inning -- as a negative, but he gave up only two runs over five innings. He'll take the positives in that.
He made that pitch to Tim Anderson in the fifth inning, inducing a groundout to strand all three runners. Sure, Lackey is the first Cub to hit four batters in a game since 1957. But what's the difference if none of them scored?
Lackey left after allowing the first two batters on base in the sixth, but his pitching line was saved when reliever Carl Edwards Jr. escaped the jam unscathed. And that's the bottom line with Lackey right now: It isn't going to be pretty, but he can still get the job done as the No. 5 pitcher in the rotation.
How his conclusion is "gee, John sure can get it done!" instead of "damn, John sure is lucky Carl Edwards saved his ass" is beyond me. Plus, if Tim Anderson wasn't such a slapdick John easily could have given up 8 runs today. I'll save two spots in the firebarn so Jesse can join his buddy.
Does Jesse not realize the White Sox fucking suck? He gave up two hits and a walk to Omar Narvaez and his .664 OPS, gave up a hit to Anderson (.630), and a fucking scorched doubled by Carlos Rodon. Any team with an actual major league offense probably puts up 5-6 runs on him there.
Any chance someone can push him in front of a speeding garbage truck before he has to face Milwaukee Sunday?
I am currently holding out hope that Justin Verlander makes that start instead. I know people are hesitant about that contract but it's just 2 years unless he's top 5 in Cy voting in 2019 (in which case you'd probably be happy to take a 22 million dollar option on him for 2020 especially since the qualifying offer will be about that much by then) and with Quintana being so cheap Verlander/Quintana next year would make about 37 mil while the Lackey/Arrieta combo was already making 31 mil this year. Verlander could be a big upgrade at #5 that would presumably not really hamper their long term plans for any FA starters either.
Verlander would give the Cubs a rotation that is under control for two more years. By then they should be able to start looking to the farm for replacements.
Lackey for Verlander straight up.
I'm hoping for more Verlander+Avila for Candelario and the AAAA guys, some lotto tickets in the lower minors, and the Cubs eating a fuck ton of cash and shooting Lackey into the sun.
I think the more likely scenario is Candelario to the Mets for Rivera and Lackey being left off the postseason roster. But I do think Verlander could be useful to the Cubs.
Candelario is hardly a top prospect and he's not a headliner of a big deal but I would also hope he's worth more than a replacement level backup catcher.
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 26, 2017, 01:26:28 AM
I don't know what kind of deal Jesse Rogers has going with John Lackey, but this bizarre story arguing he should stay in the rotation is some major league bullshit toleration.
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Maddon is right in one respect: The Cubs have enough in their rotation right now to win their division. That includes John Lackey, who won his seventh game Tuesday while lowering his ERA under 5.00 for the first time in a month. You can view his four hit batters on Tuesday -- three of which came in one inning -- as a negative, but he gave up only two runs over five innings. He'll take the positives in that.
He made that pitch to Tim Anderson in the fifth inning, inducing a groundout to strand all three runners. Sure, Lackey is the first Cub to hit four batters in a game since 1957. But what's the difference if none of them scored?
Lackey left after allowing the first two batters on base in the sixth, but his pitching line was saved when reliever Carl Edwards Jr. escaped the jam unscathed. And that's the bottom line with Lackey right now: It isn't going to be pretty, but he can still get the job done as the No. 5 pitcher in the rotation.
How his conclusion is "gee, John sure can get it done!" instead of "damn, John sure is lucky Carl Edwards saved his ass" is beyond me. Plus, if Tim Anderson wasn't such a slapdick John easily could have given up 8 runs today. I'll save two spots in the firebarn so Jesse can join his buddy.
Does Jesse not realize the White Sox fucking suck? He gave up two hits and a walk to Omar Narvaez and his .664 OPS, gave up a hit to Anderson (.630), and a fucking scorched doubled by Carlos Rodon. Any team with an actual major league offense probably puts up 5-6 runs on him there.
Any chance someone can push him in front of a speeding garbage truck before he has to face Milwaukee Sunday?
I am currently holding out hope that Justin Verlander makes that start instead. I know people are hesitant about that contract but it's just 2 years unless he's top 5 in Cy voting in 2019 (in which case you'd probably be happy to take a 22 million dollar option on him for 2020 especially since the qualifying offer will be about that much by then) and with Quintana being so cheap Verlander/Quintana next year would make about 37 mil while the Lackey/Arrieta combo was already making 31 mil this year. Verlander could be a big upgrade at #5 that would presumably not really hamper their long term plans for any FA starters either.
Verlander would give the Cubs a rotation that is under control for two more years. By then they should be able to start looking to the farm for replacements.
Lackey for Verlander straight up.
I'm hoping for more Verlander+Avila for Candelario and the AAAA guys, some lotto tickets in the lower minors, and the Cubs eating a fuck ton of cash and shooting Lackey into the sun.
I think the more likely scenario is Candelario to the Mets for Rivera and Lackey being left off the postseason roster. But I do think Verlander could be useful to the Cubs.
Candelario is hardly a top prospect and he's not a headliner of a big deal but I would also hope he's worth more than a replacement level backup catcher.
Candelario for all of Verlander's contract net of Lackey's DFA cost.
And Kate.
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I don't know what kind of deal Jesse Rogers has going with John Lackey, but this bizarre story arguing he should stay in the rotation is some major league bullshit toleration.
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Maddon is right in one respect: The Cubs have enough in their rotation right now to win their division. That includes John Lackey, who won his seventh game Tuesday while lowering his ERA under 5.00 for the first time in a month. You can view his four hit batters on Tuesday -- three of which came in one inning -- as a negative, but he gave up only two runs over five innings. He'll take the positives in that.
He made that pitch to Tim Anderson in the fifth inning, inducing a groundout to strand all three runners. Sure, Lackey is the first Cub to hit four batters in a game since 1957. But what's the difference if none of them scored?
Lackey left after allowing the first two batters on base in the sixth, but his pitching line was saved when reliever Carl Edwards Jr. escaped the jam unscathed. And that's the bottom line with Lackey right now: It isn't going to be pretty, but he can still get the job done as the No. 5 pitcher in the rotation.
How his conclusion is "gee, John sure can get it done!" instead of "damn, John sure is lucky Carl Edwards saved his ass" is beyond me. Plus, if Tim Anderson wasn't such a slapdick John easily could have given up 8 runs today. I'll save two spots in the firebarn so Jesse can join his buddy.
Does Jesse not realize the White Sox fucking suck? He gave up two hits and a walk to Omar Narvaez and his .664 OPS, gave up a hit to Anderson (.630), and a fucking scorched doubled by Carlos Rodon. Any team with an actual major league offense probably puts up 5-6 runs on him there.
Any chance someone can push him in front of a speeding garbage truck before he has to face Milwaukee Sunday?
I am currently holding out hope that Justin Verlander makes that start instead. I know people are hesitant about that contract but it's just 2 years unless he's top 5 in Cy voting in 2019 (in which case you'd probably be happy to take a 22 million dollar option on him for 2020 especially since the qualifying offer will be about that much by then) and with Quintana being so cheap Verlander/Quintana next year would make about 37 mil while the Lackey/Arrieta combo was already making 31 mil this year. Verlander could be a big upgrade at #5 that would presumably not really hamper their long term plans for any FA starters either.
Verlander would give the Cubs a rotation that is under control for two more years. By then they should be able to start looking to the farm for replacements.
Lackey for Verlander straight up.
I'm hoping for more Verlander+Avila for Candelario and the AAAA guys, some lotto tickets in the lower minors, and the Cubs eating a fuck ton of cash and shooting Lackey into the sun.
I think the more likely scenario is Candelario to the Mets for Rivera and Lackey being left off the postseason roster. But I do think Verlander could be useful to the Cubs.
Candelario is hardly a top prospect and he's not a headliner of a big deal but I would also hope he's worth more than a replacement level backup catcher.
Candelario for all of Verlander's contract net of Lackey's DFA cost.
And Kate.
You don't think she's too fat?
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 26, 2017, 01:26:28 AM
I don't know what kind of deal Jesse Rogers has going with John Lackey, but this bizarre story arguing he should stay in the rotation is some major league bullshit toleration.
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Maddon is right in one respect: The Cubs have enough in their rotation right now to win their division. That includes John Lackey, who won his seventh game Tuesday while lowering his ERA under 5.00 for the first time in a month. You can view his four hit batters on Tuesday -- three of which came in one inning -- as a negative, but he gave up only two runs over five innings. He'll take the positives in that.
He made that pitch to Tim Anderson in the fifth inning, inducing a groundout to strand all three runners. Sure, Lackey is the first Cub to hit four batters in a game since 1957. But what's the difference if none of them scored?
Lackey left after allowing the first two batters on base in the sixth, but his pitching line was saved when reliever Carl Edwards Jr. escaped the jam unscathed. And that's the bottom line with Lackey right now: It isn't going to be pretty, but he can still get the job done as the No. 5 pitcher in the rotation.
How his conclusion is "gee, John sure can get it done!" instead of "damn, John sure is lucky Carl Edwards saved his ass" is beyond me. Plus, if Tim Anderson wasn't such a slapdick John easily could have given up 8 runs today. I'll save two spots in the firebarn so Jesse can join his buddy.
Does Jesse not realize the White Sox fucking suck? He gave up two hits and a walk to Omar Narvaez and his .664 OPS, gave up a hit to Anderson (.630), and a fucking scorched doubled by Carlos Rodon. Any team with an actual major league offense probably puts up 5-6 runs on him there.
Any chance someone can push him in front of a speeding garbage truck before he has to face Milwaukee Sunday?
I am currently holding out hope that Justin Verlander makes that start instead. I know people are hesitant about that contract but it's just 2 years unless he's top 5 in Cy voting in 2019 (in which case you'd probably be happy to take a 22 million dollar option on him for 2020 especially since the qualifying offer will be about that much by then) and with Quintana being so cheap Verlander/Quintana next year would make about 37 mil while the Lackey/Arrieta combo was already making 31 mil this year. Verlander could be a big upgrade at #5 that would presumably not really hamper their long term plans for any FA starters either.
Verlander would give the Cubs a rotation that is under control for two more years. By then they should be able to start looking to the farm for replacements.
Lackey for Verlander straight up.
I'm hoping for more Verlander+Avila for Candelario and the AAAA guys, some lotto tickets in the lower minors, and the Cubs eating a fuck ton of cash and shooting Lackey into the sun.
I think the more likely scenario is Candelario to the Mets for Rivera and Lackey being left off the postseason roster. But I do think Verlander could be useful to the Cubs.
Candelario is hardly a top prospect and he's not a headliner of a big deal but I would also hope he's worth more than a replacement level backup catcher.
Candelario for all of Verlander's contract net of Lackey's DFA cost.
And Kate.
You don't think she's too fat?
Chuck has been owned online.
I've come around to Verlander too. Candelario is never getting any time to play unless Kris Bryant dies in a Red Bull stunt gone horribly wrong. I'd rather see what Verlander has left than watch Lackey reliably suck, too.
All bets are off if they can land a Sonny Gray or even a Yu Darvish but that's looking extremely unlikely.
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Chuck has been owned online.
I've come around to Verlander too. Candelario is never getting any time to play unless Kris Bryant dies in a Red Bull stunt gone horribly wrong. I'd rather see what Verlander has left than watch Lackey reliably suck, too.
All bets are off if they can land a Sonny Gray or even a Yu Darvish but that's looking extremely unlikely.
Yeah in my mind they aren't acquiring Verlander to be Justin Verlander
TM they are acquiring him to be a better version of John Lackey. I would still hope they'd go out in the offseason and chase a guy like Darvish, but with the prospects they have left Verlander might bet he best guy left that can help this year and also hold down a spot next year.
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 26, 2017, 01:26:28 AM
I don't know what kind of deal Jesse Rogers has going with John Lackey, but this bizarre story arguing he should stay in the rotation is some major league bullshit toleration.
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Maddon is right in one respect: The Cubs have enough in their rotation right now to win their division. That includes John Lackey, who won his seventh game Tuesday while lowering his ERA under 5.00 for the first time in a month. You can view his four hit batters on Tuesday -- three of which came in one inning -- as a negative, but he gave up only two runs over five innings. He'll take the positives in that.
He made that pitch to Tim Anderson in the fifth inning, inducing a groundout to strand all three runners. Sure, Lackey is the first Cub to hit four batters in a game since 1957. But what's the difference if none of them scored?
Lackey left after allowing the first two batters on base in the sixth, but his pitching line was saved when reliever Carl Edwards Jr. escaped the jam unscathed. And that's the bottom line with Lackey right now: It isn't going to be pretty, but he can still get the job done as the No. 5 pitcher in the rotation.
How his conclusion is "gee, John sure can get it done!" instead of "damn, John sure is lucky Carl Edwards saved his ass" is beyond me. Plus, if Tim Anderson wasn't such a slapdick John easily could have given up 8 runs today. I'll save two spots in the firebarn so Jesse can join his buddy.
Does Jesse not realize the White Sox fucking suck? He gave up two hits and a walk to Omar Narvaez and his .664 OPS, gave up a hit to Anderson (.630), and a fucking scorched doubled by Carlos Rodon. Any team with an actual major league offense probably puts up 5-6 runs on him there.
Any chance someone can push him in front of a speeding garbage truck before he has to face Milwaukee Sunday?
I am currently holding out hope that Justin Verlander makes that start instead. I know people are hesitant about that contract but it's just 2 years unless he's top 5 in Cy voting in 2019 (in which case you'd probably be happy to take a 22 million dollar option on him for 2020 especially since the qualifying offer will be about that much by then) and with Quintana being so cheap Verlander/Quintana next year would make about 37 mil while the Lackey/Arrieta combo was already making 31 mil this year. Verlander could be a big upgrade at #5 that would presumably not really hamper their long term plans for any FA starters either.
Verlander would give the Cubs a rotation that is under control for two more years. By then they should be able to start looking to the farm for replacements.
Lackey for Verlander straight up.
I'm hoping for more Verlander+Avila for Candelario and the AAAA guys, some lotto tickets in the lower minors, and the Cubs eating a fuck ton of cash and shooting Lackey into the sun.
I think the more likely scenario is Candelario to the Mets for Rivera and Lackey being left off the postseason roster. But I do think Verlander could be useful to the Cubs.
Candelario is hardly a top prospect and he's not a headliner of a big deal but I would also hope he's worth more than a replacement level backup catcher.
Candelario for all of Verlander's contract net of Lackey's DFA cost.
And Kate.
You don't think she's too fat?
She's only 25% of a Hendricks.
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 26, 2017, 01:26:28 AM
I don't know what kind of deal Jesse Rogers has going with John Lackey, but this bizarre story arguing he should stay in the rotation is some major league bullshit toleration.
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Maddon is right in one respect: The Cubs have enough in their rotation right now to win their division. That includes John Lackey, who won his seventh game Tuesday while lowering his ERA under 5.00 for the first time in a month. You can view his four hit batters on Tuesday -- three of which came in one inning -- as a negative, but he gave up only two runs over five innings. He'll take the positives in that.
He made that pitch to Tim Anderson in the fifth inning, inducing a groundout to strand all three runners. Sure, Lackey is the first Cub to hit four batters in a game since 1957. But what's the difference if none of them scored?
Lackey left after allowing the first two batters on base in the sixth, but his pitching line was saved when reliever Carl Edwards Jr. escaped the jam unscathed. And that's the bottom line with Lackey right now: It isn't going to be pretty, but he can still get the job done as the No. 5 pitcher in the rotation.
How his conclusion is "gee, John sure can get it done!" instead of "damn, John sure is lucky Carl Edwards saved his ass" is beyond me. Plus, if Tim Anderson wasn't such a slapdick John easily could have given up 8 runs today. I'll save two spots in the firebarn so Jesse can join his buddy.
Does Jesse not realize the White Sox fucking suck? He gave up two hits and a walk to Omar Narvaez and his .664 OPS, gave up a hit to Anderson (.630), and a fucking scorched doubled by Carlos Rodon. Any team with an actual major league offense probably puts up 5-6 runs on him there.
Any chance someone can push him in front of a speeding garbage truck before he has to face Milwaukee Sunday?
I am currently holding out hope that Justin Verlander makes that start instead. I know people are hesitant about that contract but it's just 2 years unless he's top 5 in Cy voting in 2019 (in which case you'd probably be happy to take a 22 million dollar option on him for 2020 especially since the qualifying offer will be about that much by then) and with Quintana being so cheap Verlander/Quintana next year would make about 37 mil while the Lackey/Arrieta combo was already making 31 mil this year. Verlander could be a big upgrade at #5 that would presumably not really hamper their long term plans for any FA starters either.
Verlander would give the Cubs a rotation that is under control for two more years. By then they should be able to start looking to the farm for replacements.
Lackey for Verlander straight up.
I'm hoping for more Verlander+Avila for Candelario and the AAAA guys, some lotto tickets in the lower minors, and the Cubs eating a fuck ton of cash and shooting Lackey into the sun.
I think the more likely scenario is Candelario to the Mets for Rivera and Lackey being left off the postseason roster. But I do think Verlander could be useful to the Cubs.
Candelario is hardly a top prospect and he's not a headliner of a big deal but I would also hope he's worth more than a replacement level backup catcher.
Candelario for all of Verlander's contract net of Lackey's DFA cost.
And Kate.
You don't think she's too fat?
She's only 25% of a Hendricks.
Boooooo. Chuck Trump, everyone.
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Chuck has been owned online.
I've come around to Verlander too. Candelario is never getting any time to play unless Kris Bryant dies in a Red Bull stunt gone horribly wrong. I'd rather see what Verlander has left than watch Lackey reliably suck, too.
All bets are off if they can land a Sonny Gray or even a Yu Darvish but that's looking extremely unlikely.
Yeah in my mind they aren't acquiring Verlander to be Justin VerlanderTM they are acquiring him to be a better version of John Lackey. I would still hope they'd go out in the offseason and chase a guy like Darvish, but with the prospects they have left Verlander might bet he best guy left that can help this year and also hold down a spot next year.
I'm sorry, but are you guys soberly discussing dealing Candelario to replace a 5th starter with 10 more starts this year who wouldn't even project to be in the playoff rotation? Am I missing something here? I'm not even that attached to Candelario and I have my doubts that he's anything more than AAAA but you still don't just throw a guy like that away, which is what you'd be doing for 10 Verlander starts to ensure a division that would be won with Lackey--unless you're talking about Verlander replacing Arrieta which, okay if it's worth it I guess go ahead but otherwise I think your collective hatred of Lackey is really driving some of you guys to Stupidville.
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Chuck has been owned online.
I've come around to Verlander too. Candelario is never getting any time to play unless Kris Bryant dies in a Red Bull stunt gone horribly wrong. I'd rather see what Verlander has left than watch Lackey reliably suck, too.
All bets are off if they can land a Sonny Gray or even a Yu Darvish but that's looking extremely unlikely.
Yeah in my mind they aren't acquiring Verlander to be Justin VerlanderTM they are acquiring him to be a better version of John Lackey. I would still hope they'd go out in the offseason and chase a guy like Darvish, but with the prospects they have left Verlander might bet he best guy left that can help this year and also hold down a spot next year.
I'm sorry, but are you guys soberly discussing dealing Candelario to replace a 5th starter with 10 more starts this year who wouldn't even project to be in the playoff rotation? Am I missing something here? I'm not even that attached to Candelario and I have my doubts that he's anything more than AAAA but you still don't just throw a guy like that away, which is what you'd be doing for 10 Verlander starts to ensure a division that would be won with Lackey--unless you're talking about Verlander replacing Arrieta which, okay if it's worth it I guess go ahead but otherwise I think your collective hatred of Lackey is really driving some of you guys to Stupidville.
Verlander is under control for more than just this year, IDITO. He's signed through 2019 with a 2020 vesting option.
He's a replacement for Lackey starting now through 2019 and that's probably what Candelario is worth. Not just ten starts.
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I've come around to Verlander too. Candelario is never getting any time to play unless Kris Bryant dies in a Red Bull stunt gone horribly wrong. I'd rather see what Verlander has left than watch Lackey reliably suck, too.
All bets are off if they can land a Sonny Gray or even a Yu Darvish but that's looking extremely unlikely.
Yeah in my mind they aren't acquiring Verlander to be Justin VerlanderTM they are acquiring him to be a better version of John Lackey. I would still hope they'd go out in the offseason and chase a guy like Darvish, but with the prospects they have left Verlander might bet he best guy left that can help this year and also hold down a spot next year.
I'm sorry, but are you guys soberly discussing dealing Candelario to replace a 5th starter with 10 more starts this year who wouldn't even project to be in the playoff rotation? Am I missing something here? I'm not even that attached to Candelario and I have my doubts that he's anything more than AAAA but you still don't just throw a guy like that away, which is what you'd be doing for 10 Verlander starts to ensure a division that would be won with Lackey--unless you're talking about Verlander replacing Arrieta which, okay if it's worth it I guess go ahead but otherwise I think your collective hatred of Lackey is really driving some of you guys to Stupidville.
Verlander is under control for more than just this year, IDITO. He's signed through 2019 with a 2020 vesting option.
He's a replacement for Lackey starting now through 2019 and that's probably what Candelario is worth. Not just ten starts.
The Cubs are looking for another starter under control. The fact that 40% of next year's rotation (Hendricks, Montgomery) will make bupkus makes the 20 mildo for Verlander easier to absorb.
A rotation of Lester/Quintana/Hendricks/Verlander/Montgomery should get them into October a couple times. There's nobody in Iowa who can step in, and even in AA nobody's exactly setting the world on fire. So the Cubs will need to go outside the organization for starting pitching the next couple years.
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I've come around to Verlander too. Candelario is never getting any time to play unless Kris Bryant dies in a Red Bull stunt gone horribly wrong. I'd rather see what Verlander has left than watch Lackey reliably suck, too.
All bets are off if they can land a Sonny Gray or even a Yu Darvish but that's looking extremely unlikely.
Yeah in my mind they aren't acquiring Verlander to be Justin VerlanderTM they are acquiring him to be a better version of John Lackey. I would still hope they'd go out in the offseason and chase a guy like Darvish, but with the prospects they have left Verlander might bet he best guy left that can help this year and also hold down a spot next year.
I'm sorry, but are you guys soberly discussing dealing Candelario to replace a 5th starter with 10 more starts this year who wouldn't even project to be in the playoff rotation? Am I missing something here? I'm not even that attached to Candelario and I have my doubts that he's anything more than AAAA but you still don't just throw a guy like that away, which is what you'd be doing for 10 Verlander starts to ensure a division that would be won with Lackey--unless you're talking about Verlander replacing Arrieta which, okay if it's worth it I guess go ahead but otherwise I think your collective hatred of Lackey is really driving some of you guys to Stupidville.
Verlander is under control for more than just this year, IDITO. He's signed through 2019 with a 2020 vesting option.
He's a replacement for Lackey starting now through 2019 and that's probably what Candelario is worth. Not just ten starts.
The Cubs are looking for another starter under control. The fact that 40% of next year's rotation (Hendricks, Montgomery) will make bupkus makes the 20 mildo for Verlander easier to absorb.
A rotation of Lester/Quintana/Hendricks/Verlander/Montgomery should get them into October a couple times. There's nobody in Iowa who can step in, and even in AA nobody's exactly setting the world on fire. So the Cubs will need to go outside the organization for starting pitching the next couple years.
Yep, again, gonna do the math for IDITOS like Huard:
Lackey/Arrieta/Montero 2017: 45 million
I am gonna guess whoever the backup catcher is next year will make no more than about 5 million, tops, and even that is probably an overstatement if they roll with Caratini. Assume Quintana replaces Jake as your #2, Verlander replaces Lackey as your 5 (who could potentially slot into the playoff rotation if his couple of starts and the fact that he hit 98 mph the other night indicate he's regaining last year's form). Total cost of those guys in 2018:
Quintana (8.9 mil)/Verlander (28 Mil)/Rando Backup Catcher (5 Mil): 41.9 million.
They can add Verlander, have him as an upgrade over Lackey and a dude who could replace Hendricks in the playoff rotation if need be (I love Kyle and am not down on him long term but if he's gonna throw 84/85 this year he's not the same dude we saw last year, and I'd hesitate to throw him out there in October), and then have him as their 5th starter for 2 more years and not have a more expensive rotation/battery than this year. Shouldn't limit their ability to add whatever else they need. As stated before Verlander's 2020 option only vests if he's top 5 in Cy voting in 2019 so paying 22 million for him in 2020 if he's producing like that still is not terrible at all (especially when the Qualifying Offer this year is supposed to be 18 mil, if it keeps rising at that rate 22 million in 2020 will be what a one year contract for any halfway decent vet starter is going to be anyway).
Who says Detroit won't pick up some salary or sweeten the pot with another player like Alex Avila to get rid of the contract? I know what "reports" say, but negotiations are hard.
Quote from: Brownie on July 27, 2017, 09:45:48 AM
Who says Detroit won't pick up some salary or sweeten the pot with another player like Alex Avila to get rid of the contract? I know what "reports" say, but negotiations are hard.
Mike Ilitch put the Tigers into a trust a while back...so who's holding the purse strings now?
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Quote from: Brownie on July 27, 2017, 09:45:48 AM
Who says Detroit won't pick up some salary or sweeten the pot with another player like Alex Avila to get rid of the contract? I know what "reports" say, but negotiations are hard.
Mike Ilitch put the Tigers into a trust a while back...so who's holding the purse strings now?
Yeah I don't think Detroit is gonna throw in much salary relief, the rumors are they need to dump salary even if it hurts them prospect wise. One rumor even said they considered packaging Fulmer with some of their other big contracts to try to get people to take them. My guess is Theo knows he's got the most money of anyone that is interested (Boston has too many overpaid underachievers in their rotation already, LA won't pay anymore luxury tax and also isn't exactly desperate at 71-31, Yankees no interest so far, Nats are broke) and he's given his best offer, Detroit is waiting as long as they can to see if Theo gets desperate enough to add more prospects to the deal, but he's willing to wait them out instead.
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I've come around to Verlander too. Candelario is never getting any time to play unless Kris Bryant dies in a Red Bull stunt gone horribly wrong. I'd rather see what Verlander has left than watch Lackey reliably suck, too.
All bets are off if they can land a Sonny Gray or even a Yu Darvish but that's looking extremely unlikely.
Yeah in my mind they aren't acquiring Verlander to be Justin VerlanderTM they are acquiring him to be a better version of John Lackey. I would still hope they'd go out in the offseason and chase a guy like Darvish, but with the prospects they have left Verlander might bet he best guy left that can help this year and also hold down a spot next year.
I'm sorry, but are you guys soberly discussing dealing Candelario to replace a 5th starter with 10 more starts this year who wouldn't even project to be in the playoff rotation? Am I missing something here? I'm not even that attached to Candelario and I have my doubts that he's anything more than AAAA but you still don't just throw a guy like that away, which is what you'd be doing for 10 Verlander starts to ensure a division that would be won with Lackey--unless you're talking about Verlander replacing Arrieta which, okay if it's worth it I guess go ahead but otherwise I think your collective hatred of Lackey is really driving some of you guys to Stupidville.
Verlander is under control for more than just this year, IDITO. He's signed through 2019 with a 2020 vesting option.
He's a replacement for Lackey starting now through 2019 and that's probably what Candelario is worth. Not just ten starts.
The Cubs are looking for another starter under control. The fact that 40% of next year's rotation (Hendricks, Montgomery) will make bupkus makes the 20 mildo for Verlander easier to absorb.
A rotation of Lester/Quintana/Hendricks/Verlander/Montgomery should get them into October a couple times. There's nobody in Iowa who can step in, and even in AA nobody's exactly setting the world on fire. So the Cubs will need to go outside the organization for starting pitching the next couple years.
Yep, again, gonna do the math for IDITOS like Huard:
Lackey/Arrieta/Montero 2017: 45 million
I am gonna guess whoever the backup catcher is next year will make no more than about 5 million, tops, and even that is probably an overstatement if they roll with Caratini. Assume Quintana replaces Jake as your #2, Verlander replaces Lackey as your 5 (who could potentially slot into the playoff rotation if his couple of starts and the fact that he hit 98 mph the other night indicate he's regaining last year's form). Total cost of those guys in 2018:
Quintana (8.9 mil)/Verlander (28 Mil)/Rando Backup Catcher (5 Mil): 41.9 million.
They can add Verlander, have him as an upgrade over Lackey and a dude who could replace Hendricks in the playoff rotation if need be (I love Kyle and am not down on him long term but if he's gonna throw 84/85 this year he's not the same dude we saw last year, and I'd hesitate to throw him out there in October), and then have him as their 5th starter for 2 more years and not have a more expensive rotation/battery than this year. Shouldn't limit their ability to add whatever else they need. As stated before Verlander's 2020 option only vests if he's top 5 in Cy voting in 2019 so paying 22 million for him in 2020 if he's producing like that still is not terrible at all (especially when the Qualifying Offer this year is supposed to be 18 mil, if it keeps rising at that rate 22 million in 2020 will be what a one year contract for any halfway decent vet starter is going to be anyway).
You don't get it. None of this matters. In 2016 the Cubs sold their soul to the devil for a World Series win. They are where they are in the NL Central only because the other teams in that division made a worse deal than the Cubs.
Rent "Damn Yankees" if you don't believe me.
Quote from: CBStew on July 27, 2017, 11:30:28 AM
You don't get it. None of this matters. In 2016 the Cubs sold their soul to the devil for a World Series win. They are where they are in the NL Central only because the other teams in that division made a worse deal than the Cubs. Rent "Damn Yankees" if you don't believe me.
I really do not give a shit that the Cubs are playing in a weak division. In 2015 they won 97 games and finished third, and lost in the NLCS to a 91 win Mets team that got absolutely pummeled all year long by every winning team they faced and got into the playoffs by fattening up on the Phillies/Marlins/Braves. Last year the Dodgers under-achieved and dicked around for months before getting hot, winning their division with 91 wins and riding it all of the way to game 6 vs a superior Cubs team. The Cardinals spent an entire decade getting into the playoffs with the 3rd or 4th best team in the national league by virtue of being in a hapless division and then spent those Octobers lucking their way to pennants or world series. This is how the game works.
This Cubs team right now is playing like it was supposed to before the season. Fangraphs has them projected to win 90 games. They have the same record right now that they had at this point in 2015 (53-47) and again, that team won 97 games. If they get to October it'll be because they have as much right as anyone else to be there, and with the rotation pitching as well as it has been in the 2nd half (and with the potential addition of a guy like Verlander) they'll have a damn good shot at winning at all.
Quote from: SKO on July 27, 2017, 11:54:19 AM
Quote from: CBStew on July 27, 2017, 11:30:28 AM
You don't get it. None of this matters. In 2016 the Cubs sold their soul to the devil for a World Series win. They are where they are in the NL Central only because the other teams in that division made a worse deal than the Cubs. Rent "Damn Yankees" if you don't believe me.
I really do not give a shit that the Cubs are playing in a weak division. In 2015 they won 97 games and finished third, and lost in the NLCS to a 91 win Mets team that got absolutely pummeled all year long by every winning team they faced and got into the playoffs by fattening up on the Phillies/Marlins/Braves. Last year the Dodgers under-achieved and dicked around for months before getting hot, winning their division with 91 wins and riding it all of the way to game 6 vs a superior Cubs team. The Cardinals spent an entire decade getting into the playoffs with the 3rd or 4th best team in the national league by virtue of being in a hapless division and then spent those Octobers lucking their way to pennants or world series. This is how the game works.
This Cubs team right now is playing like it was supposed to before the season. Fangraphs has them projected to win 90 games. They have the same record right now that they had at this point in 2015 (53-47) and again, that team won 97 games. If they get to October it'll be because they have as much right as anyone else to be there, and with the rotation pitching as well as it has been in the 2nd half (and with the potential addition of a guy like Verlander) they'll have a damn good shot at winning at all.
Remind me next time to post with a "sarcasm alert".
Quote from: SKO on July 27, 2017, 09:06:35 AM
Yep, again, gonna do the math for IDITOS like Huard:
Lackey/Arrieta/Montero 2017: 45 million
I am gonna guess whoever the backup catcher is next year will make no more than about 5 million, tops, and even that is probably an overstatement if they roll with Caratini. Assume Quintana replaces Jake as your #2, Verlander replaces Lackey as your 5 (who could potentially slot into the playoff rotation if his couple of starts and the fact that he hit 98 mph the other night indicate he's regaining last year's form). Total cost of those guys in 2018:
Quintana (8.9 mil)/Verlander (28 Mil)/Rando Backup Catcher (5 Mil): 41.9 million.
They can add Verlander, have him as an upgrade over Lackey and a dude who could replace Hendricks in the playoff rotation if need be (I love Kyle and am not down on him long term but if he's gonna throw 84/85 this year he's not the same dude we saw last year, and I'd hesitate to throw him out there in October), and then have him as their 5th starter for 2 more years and not have a more expensive rotation/battery than this year. Shouldn't limit their ability to add whatever else they need. As stated before Verlander's 2020 option only vests if he's top 5 in Cy voting in 2019 so paying 22 million for him in 2020 if he's producing like that still is not terrible at all (especially when the Qualifying Offer this year is supposed to be 18 mil, if it keeps rising at that rate 22 million in 2020 will be what a one year contract for any halfway decent vet starter is going to be anyway).
So, we're just going to pretend that Bryant, Russell, and Hendricks don't get raises in arbitration?
I suppose you can argue that Russell's raise will be somewhat modest.
Hendricks finished top-3 in Cy Young last year, which carries a lot of weight.
I think it'll be quite a surprise if Bryant doesn't set a Super-2 record for first year arb.
Look, I'm not saying the Cubs can't afford Verlander. But, I'd rather not take that type of risk on a 35 year old pitcher who ran a .255 BABIP last year and has a 35% GB rate.
As always, though (and not that it matters), I'll defer to Epstink.
Quote from: Oleg on July 28, 2017, 12:11:30 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 27, 2017, 09:06:35 AM
Yep, again, gonna do the math for IDITOS like Huard:
Lackey/Arrieta/Montero 2017: 45 million
I am gonna guess whoever the backup catcher is next year will make no more than about 5 million, tops, and even that is probably an overstatement if they roll with Caratini. Assume Quintana replaces Jake as your #2, Verlander replaces Lackey as your 5 (who could potentially slot into the playoff rotation if his couple of starts and the fact that he hit 98 mph the other night indicate he's regaining last year's form). Total cost of those guys in 2018:
Quintana (8.9 mil)/Verlander (28 Mil)/Rando Backup Catcher (5 Mil): 41.9 million.
They can add Verlander, have him as an upgrade over Lackey and a dude who could replace Hendricks in the playoff rotation if need be (I love Kyle and am not down on him long term but if he's gonna throw 84/85 this year he's not the same dude we saw last year, and I'd hesitate to throw him out there in October), and then have him as their 5th starter for 2 more years and not have a more expensive rotation/battery than this year. Shouldn't limit their ability to add whatever else they need. As stated before Verlander's 2020 option only vests if he's top 5 in Cy voting in 2019 so paying 22 million for him in 2020 if he's producing like that still is not terrible at all (especially when the Qualifying Offer this year is supposed to be 18 mil, if it keeps rising at that rate 22 million in 2020 will be what a one year contract for any halfway decent vet starter is going to be anyway).
So, we're just going to pretend that Bryant, Russell, and Hendricks don't get raises in arbitration?
I suppose you can argue that Russell's raise will be somewhat modest.
Hendricks finished top-3 in Cy Young last year, which carries a lot of weight.
I think it'll be quite a surprise if Bryant doesn't set a Super-2 record for first year arb.
Look, I'm not saying the Cubs can't afford Verlander. But, I'd rather not take that type of risk on a 35 year old pitcher who ran a .255 BABIP last year and has a 35% GB rate.
As always, though (and not that it matters), I'll defer to Epstink.
I did forget about Bryant being a Super-2 player. Either way I think the team needs at least two new starters for next year. Maybe they decide to leave one of those spots up for competition again between Mike Montgomery and some of the starters in the high minors, but if they're adding a pitcher in FA it might be worth it to decide that 2+ years of Verlander is easier to swallow than giving someone even a Mike Leake-ish contract if they don't land a guy like Darvish.
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2017, 01:47:50 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 28, 2017, 12:11:30 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 27, 2017, 09:06:35 AM
Yep, again, gonna do the math for IDITOS like Huard:
Lackey/Arrieta/Montero 2017: 45 million
I am gonna guess whoever the backup catcher is next year will make no more than about 5 million, tops, and even that is probably an overstatement if they roll with Caratini. Assume Quintana replaces Jake as your #2, Verlander replaces Lackey as your 5 (who could potentially slot into the playoff rotation if his couple of starts and the fact that he hit 98 mph the other night indicate he's regaining last year's form). Total cost of those guys in 2018:
Quintana (8.9 mil)/Verlander (28 Mil)/Rando Backup Catcher (5 Mil): 41.9 million.
They can add Verlander, have him as an upgrade over Lackey and a dude who could replace Hendricks in the playoff rotation if need be (I love Kyle and am not down on him long term but if he's gonna throw 84/85 this year he's not the same dude we saw last year, and I'd hesitate to throw him out there in October), and then have him as their 5th starter for 2 more years and not have a more expensive rotation/battery than this year. Shouldn't limit their ability to add whatever else they need. As stated before Verlander's 2020 option only vests if he's top 5 in Cy voting in 2019 so paying 22 million for him in 2020 if he's producing like that still is not terrible at all (especially when the Qualifying Offer this year is supposed to be 18 mil, if it keeps rising at that rate 22 million in 2020 will be what a one year contract for any halfway decent vet starter is going to be anyway).
So, we're just going to pretend that Bryant, Russell, and Hendricks don't get raises in arbitration?
I suppose you can argue that Russell's raise will be somewhat modest.
Hendricks finished top-3 in Cy Young last year, which carries a lot of weight.
I think it'll be quite a surprise if Bryant doesn't set a Super-2 record for first year arb.
Look, I'm not saying the Cubs can't afford Verlander. But, I'd rather not take that type of risk on a 35 year old pitcher who ran a .255 BABIP last year and has a 35% GB rate.
As always, though (and not that it matters), I'll defer to Epstink.
I did forget about Bryant being a Super-2 player. Either way I think the team needs at least two new starters for next year. Maybe they decide to leave one of those spots up for competition again between Mike Montgomery and some of the starters in the high minors, but if they're adding a pitcher in FA it might be worth it to decide that 2+ years of Verlander is easier to swallow than giving someone even a Mike Leake-ish contract if they don't land a guy like Darvish.
They'll also have to replace Davis and Uehara, even if that happens with more Davis and maybe more Uehara.
The Cubs certainly have flexibility and I'm not suggesting they can't afford Verlander or any other higher priced starter. I suppose there is an argument to be made that it's more important to consider term than AAV. But, would signing someone like Darvish to a Lester contract be a better use of money (when considering performance) than trading for Verlander, if we're looking past this year?
I see your point about settling for a Leake-ish starter. But I also hold out hope that Epstink sees that and just decides that Monty would be a better alternative anyway.
Quote from: Oleg on July 28, 2017, 02:01:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2017, 01:47:50 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 28, 2017, 12:11:30 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 27, 2017, 09:06:35 AM
Yep, again, gonna do the math for IDITOS like Huard:
Lackey/Arrieta/Montero 2017: 45 million
I am gonna guess whoever the backup catcher is next year will make no more than about 5 million, tops, and even that is probably an overstatement if they roll with Caratini. Assume Quintana replaces Jake as your #2, Verlander replaces Lackey as your 5 (who could potentially slot into the playoff rotation if his couple of starts and the fact that he hit 98 mph the other night indicate he's regaining last year's form). Total cost of those guys in 2018:
Quintana (8.9 mil)/Verlander (28 Mil)/Rando Backup Catcher (5 Mil): 41.9 million.
They can add Verlander, have him as an upgrade over Lackey and a dude who could replace Hendricks in the playoff rotation if need be (I love Kyle and am not down on him long term but if he's gonna throw 84/85 this year he's not the same dude we saw last year, and I'd hesitate to throw him out there in October), and then have him as their 5th starter for 2 more years and not have a more expensive rotation/battery than this year. Shouldn't limit their ability to add whatever else they need. As stated before Verlander's 2020 option only vests if he's top 5 in Cy voting in 2019 so paying 22 million for him in 2020 if he's producing like that still is not terrible at all (especially when the Qualifying Offer this year is supposed to be 18 mil, if it keeps rising at that rate 22 million in 2020 will be what a one year contract for any halfway decent vet starter is going to be anyway).
So, we're just going to pretend that Bryant, Russell, and Hendricks don't get raises in arbitration?
I suppose you can argue that Russell's raise will be somewhat modest.
Hendricks finished top-3 in Cy Young last year, which carries a lot of weight.
I think it'll be quite a surprise if Bryant doesn't set a Super-2 record for first year arb.
Look, I'm not saying the Cubs can't afford Verlander. But, I'd rather not take that type of risk on a 35 year old pitcher who ran a .255 BABIP last year and has a 35% GB rate.
As always, though (and not that it matters), I'll defer to Epstink.
I did forget about Bryant being a Super-2 player. Either way I think the team needs at least two new starters for next year. Maybe they decide to leave one of those spots up for competition again between Mike Montgomery and some of the starters in the high minors, but if they're adding a pitcher in FA it might be worth it to decide that 2+ years of Verlander is easier to swallow than giving someone even a Mike Leake-ish contract if they don't land a guy like Darvish.
They'll also have to replace Davis and Uehara, even if that happens with more Davis and maybe more Uehara.
The Cubs certainly have flexibility and I'm not suggesting they can't afford Verlander or any other higher priced starter. I suppose there is an argument to be made that it's more important to consider term than AAV. But, would signing someone like Darvish to a Lester contract be a better use of money (when considering performance) than trading for Verlander, if we're looking past this year?
I see your point about settling for a Leake-ish starter. But I also hold out hope that Epstink sees that and just decides that Monty would be a better alternative anyway.
The thing we don't know is whether Jepstink is looking at the available starters through trade now and FA later whether they want to go long or short term.
The FA starting pitching crop isn't much this winter outside of Jake and Darvish. And 2018 is a year where a lot of really fucking good players have options coming up. So they might decide to keep their powder dry for that.
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So, we're just going to pretend that Bryant, Russell, and Hendricks don't get raises in arbitration?
I suppose you can argue that Russell's raise will be somewhat modest.
Hendricks finished top-3 in Cy Young last year, which carries a lot of weight.
I think it'll be quite a surprise if Bryant doesn't set a Super-2 record for first year arb.
Look, I'm not saying the Cubs can't afford Verlander. But, I'd rather not take that type of risk on a 35 year old pitcher who ran a .255 BABIP last year and has a 35% GB rate.
As always, though (and not that it matters), I'll defer to Epstink.
I did forget about Bryant being a Super-2 player. Either way I think the team needs at least two new starters for next year. Maybe they decide to leave one of those spots up for competition again between Mike Montgomery and some of the starters in the high minors, but if they're adding a pitcher in FA it might be worth it to decide that 2+ years of Verlander is easier to swallow than giving someone even a Mike Leake-ish contract if they don't land a guy like Darvish.
They'll also have to replace Davis and Uehara, even if that happens with more Davis and maybe more Uehara.
The Cubs certainly have flexibility and I'm not suggesting they can't afford Verlander or any other higher priced starter. I suppose there is an argument to be made that it's more important to consider term than AAV. But, would signing someone like Darvish to a Lester contract be a better use of money (when considering performance) than trading for Verlander, if we're looking past this year?
I see your point about settling for a Leake-ish starter. But I also hold out hope that Epstink sees that and just decides that Monty would be a better alternative anyway.
The thing we don't know is whether Jepstink is looking at the available starters through trade now and FA later whether they want to go long or short term.
The FA starting pitching crop isn't much this winter outside of Jake and Darvish. And 2018 is a year where a lot of really fucking good players have options coming up. So they might decide to keep their powder dry for that.
Which is kinda why Verlander makes sense. His contract will run out not long after said FA starter begins?
The way I see it 2018 rotation:
Lester
Quintana
Hendricks
???????
???????
How do you want to fill those two spots? You want to trade for someone young and good and controllable? Well we just emptied the prospect bank for Quintana. You comfortable giving up Baez or someone on the 25 man?
You wanna let Mike Montgomery and Eddie Butler or Jen Ho Tseng or whatever compete for those spots? Maybe one, I don't feel comfortable leaving two up.
So my guess is they're looking at at least one free agent starting pitcher. Now maybe they try to find the next Jason Hammel/John Lackey who are willing to sign a 1-2 year deal at league average. If that's the case, why not Verlander? His deal is up after 2019, unless he's still pitching like Justin Verlander, Ace. You could fill a spot for the next two years and if you do chase that FA starter after next year his Mega-Contract and Verlander's will probably only coincide for one year, you can backload said starter's deal accordingly.
I guess not to go all Fork on everybody but the Cubs projected luxury tax # for next year 78 million or something. They could add Verlander AND Darvish, stay under the luxury tax, and "all" it costs is a fuck ton of money. Trading for another starter is probably costing you someone who is currently on the major league roster that's going to hurt like hell to say goodbye to.
Ah fuck we're going to end up with Lance Lynn aren't we
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2017, 02:31:54 PM
Ah fuck we're going to end up with Lance Lynn aren't we
Here's your shopping list (http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/starting-pitcher/). I admit it, I thought Pineda signed an extension with the Yankees.
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Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2017, 02:31:54 PM
Ah fuck we're going to end up with Lance Lynn aren't we
Here's your shopping list (http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/starting-pitcher/). I admit it, I thought Pineda signed an extension with the Yankees.
Why would you want Pineda?
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Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2017, 02:31:54 PM
Ah fuck we're going to end up with Lance Lynn aren't we
Here's your shopping list (http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/starting-pitcher/). I admit it, I thought Pineda signed an extension with the Yankees.
Why would you want Pineda?
For the candy that spills out when you whack him with a broomstick.
Quote from: Oleg on July 28, 2017, 03:25:38 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 28, 2017, 02:41:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2017, 02:31:54 PM
Ah fuck we're going to end up with Lance Lynn aren't we
Here's your shopping list (http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/starting-pitcher/). I admit it, I thought Pineda signed an extension with the Yankees.
Why would you want Pineda?
I don't. I just thought he signed before he got hurt.
Fuck you, Lackey
I was watching the condensed game this morning (no broadcaster audio), so what was Lackey doing when he was picked off? It seemed like he was just Starlin-ing out there.
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Fuck you, Lackey
I've been told you cant get mad at Lackey because he's been solid for 1 of the 5 months of baseball played this season
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Fuck you, Lackey
I've been told you cant get mad at Lackey because he's been solid for 1 of the 5 months of baseball played this season
This is correct. Lackey is Good Now (TM).
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Fuck you, Lackey
I've been told you cant get mad at Lackey because he's been solid for 1 of the 5 months of baseball played this season
I don't have time for your sensible posts...
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Fuck you, Lackey
I've been told you cant get mad at Lackey because he's been solid for 1 of the 5 months of baseball played this season
As the closet thing to a Lackey supporter--and I seriously hate the guy as much as y'all--I think this is some serious Wounded SKO hyperbole. The nicest thing
I've said about Lackey is that...well I don't think I've said anything
nice about him at all come to think of it, nor have I told anyone to not get mad at him. I
have, however, pointed out that all of the bitching and moaning and postulating about his imminent departure (mind you, this is not just you, SKO, but a sizeable and noteworthy lot on Twitter) is pointless as much as it is incorrect. For a #5 starter on a team with contention hopes, Lackey is about as good as you should expect to get and mindlessly typing FUCK YOU to him on Twitter every single start will do absolutely nothing to change that fact. You don't have to like it but I do recommend accepting it.
And that was my stance in early July--that the guy's getting paid for another 15 or so starts, and hopefully he can eat innings and not hurt them
too badly. Even with that low bar, that's not exactly unusual for a #5 starter (hello Dan Haren! Or do you prefer Sean Estes?) And while I do find amusement in the petulant bumping of this thread because he had his first shitty start in the 5 weeks since the All-Star Break, the fact of the matter is that until Jake's last 2 starts had probably allowed Jake to overtake Lackey, the latter had been the best starting pitcher on a team
since that point--for a team that desperately needed to establish stability out of their rotation.
In fact, SKO, you should be happy as fuck that Lackey shit the tub last night as opposed to being angry at him because he almost lost a game to the fucking Reds (that the Cubs won the game is icing on the cake--I've told anyone that cares to listen that they're going to win 60% of the rest of the schedule just by getting out of bed). Fact is, you don't want Lackey to be
too good, as he'll begin to garner sympathy for a playoff roster spot. Since that is already starting to happen, and since no rational person wants to see it, a performance like last night is sure to counter this effect.
Quote from: A. Baldheaded Prick on August 23, 2017, 05:25:31 AM
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 30, 2017, 02:50:11 PM
Fuck you, Lackey
I've been told you cant get mad at Lackey because he's been solid for 1 of the 5 months of baseball played this season
As the closet thing to a Lackey supporter--and I seriously hate the guy as much as y'all--I think this is some serious Wounded SKO hyperbole. The nicest thing I've said about Lackey is that...well I don't think I've said anything nice about him at all come to think of it, nor have I told anyone to not get mad at him. I have, however, pointed out that all of the bitching and moaning and postulating about his imminent departure (mind you, this is not just you, SKO, but a sizeable and noteworthy lot on Twitter) is pointless as much as it is incorrect. For a #5 starter on a team with contention hopes, Lackey is about as good as you should expect to get and mindlessly typing FUCK YOU to him on Twitter every single start will do absolutely nothing to change that fact. You don't have to like it but I do recommend accepting it.
And that was my stance in early July--that the guy's getting paid for another 15 or so starts, and hopefully he can eat innings and not hurt them too badly. Even with that low bar, that's not exactly unusual for a #5 starter (hello Dan Haren! Or do you prefer Sean Estes?) And while I do find amusement in the petulant bumping of this thread because he had his first shitty start in the 5 weeks since the All-Star Break, the fact of the matter is that until Jake's last 2 starts had probably allowed Jake to overtake Lackey, the latter had been the best starting pitcher on a team since that point--for a team that desperately needed to establish stability out of their rotation.
In fact, SKO, you should be happy as fuck that Lackey shit the tub last night as opposed to being angry at him because he almost lost a game to the fucking Reds (that the Cubs won the game is icing on the cake--I've told anyone that cares to listen that they're going to win 60% of the rest of the schedule just by getting out of bed). Fact is, you don't want Lackey to be too good, as he'll begin to garner sympathy for a playoff roster spot. Since that is already starting to happen, and since no rational person wants to see it, a performance like last night is sure to counter this effect.
The only way Lackey gets a playoff spot is if he wants to sulk in the bullpen while Lester/Jake/Quintana/Hendricks get the starts.
Quote from: A. Baldheaded Prick on August 23, 2017, 05:25:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 22, 2017, 08:40:14 PM
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 30, 2017, 02:50:11 PM
Fuck you, Lackey
I've been told you cant get mad at Lackey because he's been solid for 1 of the 5 months of baseball played this season
As the closet thing to a Lackey supporter--and I seriously hate the guy as much as y'all--I think this is some serious Wounded SKO hyperbole. The nicest thing I've said about Lackey is that...well I don't think I've said anything nice about him at all come to think of it, nor have I told anyone to not get mad at him. I have, however, pointed out that all of the bitching and moaning and postulating about his imminent departure (mind you, this is not just you, SKO, but a sizeable and noteworthy lot on Twitter) is pointless as much as it is incorrect. For a #5 starter on a team with contention hopes, Lackey is about as good as you should expect to get and mindlessly typing FUCK YOU to him on Twitter every single start will do absolutely nothing to change that fact. You don't have to like it but I do recommend accepting it.
And that was my stance in early July--that the guy's getting paid for another 15 or so starts, and hopefully he can eat innings and not hurt them too badly. Even with that low bar, that's not exactly unusual for a #5 starter (hello Dan Haren! Or do you prefer Sean Estes?) And while I do find amusement in the petulant bumping of this thread because he had his first shitty start in the 5 weeks since the All-Star Break, the fact of the matter is that until Jake's last 2 starts had probably allowed Jake to overtake Lackey, the latter had been the best starting pitcher on a team since that point--for a team that desperately needed to establish stability out of their rotation.
In fact, SKO, you should be happy as fuck that Lackey shit the tub last night as opposed to being angry at him because he almost lost a game to the fucking Reds (that the Cubs won the game is icing on the cake--I've told anyone that cares to listen that they're going to win 60% of the rest of the schedule just by getting out of bed). Fact is, you don't want Lackey to be too good, as he'll begin to garner sympathy for a playoff roster spot. Since that is already starting to happen, and since no rational person wants to see it, a performance like last night is sure to counter this effect.
I was referring to Sahadev.
Quote from: SKO on August 23, 2017, 08:26:49 AM
Quote from: A. Baldheaded Prick on August 23, 2017, 05:25:31 AM
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 22, 2017, 08:14:51 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 30, 2017, 02:50:11 PM
Fuck you, Lackey
I've been told you cant get mad at Lackey because he's been solid for 1 of the 5 months of baseball played this season
As the closet thing to a Lackey supporter--and I seriously hate the guy as much as y'all--I think this is some serious Wounded SKO hyperbole. The nicest thing I've said about Lackey is that...well I don't think I've said anything nice about him at all come to think of it, nor have I told anyone to not get mad at him. I have, however, pointed out that all of the bitching and moaning and postulating about his imminent departure (mind you, this is not just you, SKO, but a sizeable and noteworthy lot on Twitter) is pointless as much as it is incorrect. For a #5 starter on a team with contention hopes, Lackey is about as good as you should expect to get and mindlessly typing FUCK YOU to him on Twitter every single start will do absolutely nothing to change that fact. You don't have to like it but I do recommend accepting it.
And that was my stance in early July--that the guy's getting paid for another 15 or so starts, and hopefully he can eat innings and not hurt them too badly. Even with that low bar, that's not exactly unusual for a #5 starter (hello Dan Haren! Or do you prefer Sean Estes?) And while I do find amusement in the petulant bumping of this thread because he had his first shitty start in the 5 weeks since the All-Star Break, the fact of the matter is that until Jake's last 2 starts had probably allowed Jake to overtake Lackey, the latter had been the best starting pitcher on a team since that point--for a team that desperately needed to establish stability out of their rotation.
In fact, SKO, you should be happy as fuck that Lackey shit the tub last night as opposed to being angry at him because he almost lost a game to the fucking Reds (that the Cubs won the game is icing on the cake--I've told anyone that cares to listen that they're going to win 60% of the rest of the schedule just by getting out of bed). Fact is, you don't want Lackey to be too good, as he'll begin to garner sympathy for a playoff roster spot. Since that is already starting to happen, and since no rational person wants to see it, a performance like last night is sure to counter this effect.
I was referring to Sahadev.
Well without reading the tweets put me on #teamsahadev
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Fuck you, Lackey
I've been told you cant get mad at Lackey because he's been solid for 1 of the 5 months of baseball played this season
As the closet thing to a Lackey supporter--and I seriously hate the guy as much as y'all--I think this is some serious Wounded SKO hyperbole. The nicest thing I've said about Lackey is that...well I don't think I've said anything nice about him at all come to think of it, nor have I told anyone to not get mad at him. I have, however, pointed out that all of the bitching and moaning and postulating about his imminent departure (mind you, this is not just you, SKO, but a sizeable and noteworthy lot on Twitter) is pointless as much as it is incorrect. For a #5 starter on a team with contention hopes, Lackey is about as good as you should expect to get and mindlessly typing FUCK YOU to him on Twitter every single start will do absolutely nothing to change that fact. You don't have to like it but I do recommend accepting it.
And that was my stance in early July--that the guy's getting paid for another 15 or so starts, and hopefully he can eat innings and not hurt them too badly. Even with that low bar, that's not exactly unusual for a #5 starter (hello Dan Haren! Or do you prefer Sean Estes?) And while I do find amusement in the petulant bumping of this thread because he had his first shitty start in the 5 weeks since the All-Star Break, the fact of the matter is that until Jake's last 2 starts had probably allowed Jake to overtake Lackey, the latter had been the best starting pitcher on a team since that point--for a team that desperately needed to establish stability out of their rotation.
In fact, SKO, you should be happy as fuck that Lackey shit the tub last night as opposed to being angry at him because he almost lost a game to the fucking Reds (that the Cubs won the game is icing on the cake--I've told anyone that cares to listen that they're going to win 60% of the rest of the schedule just by getting out of bed). Fact is, you don't want Lackey to be too good, as he'll begin to garner sympathy for a playoff roster spot. Since that is already starting to happen, and since no rational person wants to see it, a performance like last night is sure to counter this effect.
The only way Lackey gets a playoff spot is if he wants to sulk in the bullpen while Lester/Jake/Quintana/Hendricks get the starts.
DPD, and that's my point--I don't see him improving on #5 but with the way the bottom of the bullpen has performed, a spot might fall to him and this horse-faced fuck might wind up swallowing his pride and taking it. And even with that--considering the way Grimm, Wilson and Rondon (last night excepted) have been this year--I'm not convinced right now I'd rather have one of those guys over Lackey anyway. I wish this weren't the case right now (and I of course hope it's rendered irrelevant in any event but odds are even the 11th pitcher will get in a game and he may need to not suck), but the next month should bear it out either way.
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 30, 2017, 02:50:11 PM
Fuck you, Lackey
I've been told you cant get mad at Lackey because he's been solid for 1 of the 5 months of baseball played this season
As the closet thing to a Lackey supporter--and I seriously hate the guy as much as y'all--I think this is some serious Wounded SKO hyperbole. The nicest thing I've said about Lackey is that...well I don't think I've said anything nice about him at all come to think of it, nor have I told anyone to not get mad at him. I have, however, pointed out that all of the bitching and moaning and postulating about his imminent departure (mind you, this is not just you, SKO, but a sizeable and noteworthy lot on Twitter) is pointless as much as it is incorrect. For a #5 starter on a team with contention hopes, Lackey is about as good as you should expect to get and mindlessly typing FUCK YOU to him on Twitter every single start will do absolutely nothing to change that fact. You don't have to like it but I do recommend accepting it.
And that was my stance in early July--that the guy's getting paid for another 15 or so starts, and hopefully he can eat innings and not hurt them too badly. Even with that low bar, that's not exactly unusual for a #5 starter (hello Dan Haren! Or do you prefer Sean Estes?) And while I do find amusement in the petulant bumping of this thread because he had his first shitty start in the 5 weeks since the All-Star Break, the fact of the matter is that until Jake's last 2 starts had probably allowed Jake to overtake Lackey, the latter had been the best starting pitcher on a team since that point--for a team that desperately needed to establish stability out of their rotation.
In fact, SKO, you should be happy as fuck that Lackey shit the tub last night as opposed to being angry at him because he almost lost a game to the fucking Reds (that the Cubs won the game is icing on the cake--I've told anyone that cares to listen that they're going to win 60% of the rest of the schedule just by getting out of bed). Fact is, you don't want Lackey to be too good, as he'll begin to garner sympathy for a playoff roster spot. Since that is already starting to happen, and since no rational person wants to see it, a performance like last night is sure to counter this effect.
I was referring to Sahadev.
Well without reading the tweets put me on #teamsahadev
My initial tweet was how "this is shaping up to be one of those games where I'm told I have to give credit to Lackey for grinding out a 6 inning, 5 ER start" (I was wrong as it was 6 ER in 5 IP), Sahadev said "oh stop, he's been fine in the second half". I pointed out that his fine second half (where he's managed a whopping 3 quality starts) had lowered his ERA to 4.77 (now 4.90), so I guess I'm just wondering how many cookies pitching adequately as a 5th starter for a month and a half is worth.
I'm told that he's not much worse than average but his ERA+ is 89, which is well below average, and given that he's surrendered 31 fucking bombs it's pretty clear he's been fairly lucky, since his FIP is 5.58. He's also walking batters at a higher rate than he has since the year his elbow exploded. He sucks ass, I will hear no other opinions on the matter.
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Fuck you, Lackey
I've been told you cant get mad at Lackey because he's been solid for 1 of the 5 months of baseball played this season
As the closet thing to a Lackey supporter--and I seriously hate the guy as much as y'all--I think this is some serious Wounded SKO hyperbole. The nicest thing I've said about Lackey is that...well I don't think I've said anything nice about him at all come to think of it, nor have I told anyone to not get mad at him. I have, however, pointed out that all of the bitching and moaning and postulating about his imminent departure (mind you, this is not just you, SKO, but a sizeable and noteworthy lot on Twitter) is pointless as much as it is incorrect. For a #5 starter on a team with contention hopes, Lackey is about as good as you should expect to get and mindlessly typing FUCK YOU to him on Twitter every single start will do absolutely nothing to change that fact. You don't have to like it but I do recommend accepting it.
And that was my stance in early July--that the guy's getting paid for another 15 or so starts, and hopefully he can eat innings and not hurt them too badly. Even with that low bar, that's not exactly unusual for a #5 starter (hello Dan Haren! Or do you prefer Sean Estes?) And while I do find amusement in the petulant bumping of this thread because he had his first shitty start in the 5 weeks since the All-Star Break, the fact of the matter is that until Jake's last 2 starts had probably allowed Jake to overtake Lackey, the latter had been the best starting pitcher on a team since that point--for a team that desperately needed to establish stability out of their rotation.
In fact, SKO, you should be happy as fuck that Lackey shit the tub last night as opposed to being angry at him because he almost lost a game to the fucking Reds (that the Cubs won the game is icing on the cake--I've told anyone that cares to listen that they're going to win 60% of the rest of the schedule just by getting out of bed). Fact is, you don't want Lackey to be too good, as he'll begin to garner sympathy for a playoff roster spot. Since that is already starting to happen, and since no rational person wants to see it, a performance like last night is sure to counter this effect.
I was referring to Sahadev.
Well without reading the tweets put me on #teamsahadev
My initial tweet was how "this is shaping up to be one of those games where I'm told I have to give credit to Lackey for grinding out a 6 inning, 5 ER start" (I was wrong as it was 6 ER in 5 IP), Sahadev said "oh stop, he's been fine in the second half". I pointed out that his fine second half (where he's managed a whopping 3 quality starts) had lowered his ERA to 4.77 (now 4.90), so I guess I'm just wondering how many cookies pitching adequately as a 5th starter for a month and a half is worth.
I'm told that he's not much worse than average but his ERA+ is 89, which is well below average, and given that he's surrendered 31 fucking bombs it's pretty clear he's been fairly lucky, since his FIP is 5.58. He's also walking batters at a higher rate than he has since the year his elbow exploded. He sucks ass, I will hear no other opinions on the matter.
The entirety of this conversation is too many words about John Lackey and I'm sure as hell not going to read any of it.
Let's get this straight: John Lackey is bad and he sucks and he's an asshole. Now stick to the topic or I'll close down the thread.
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Fuck you, Lackey
I've been told you cant get mad at Lackey because he's been solid for 1 of the 5 months of baseball played this season
As the closet thing to a Lackey supporter--and I seriously hate the guy as much as y'all--I think this is some serious Wounded SKO hyperbole. The nicest thing I've said about Lackey is that...well I don't think I've said anything nice about him at all come to think of it, nor have I told anyone to not get mad at him. I have, however, pointed out that all of the bitching and moaning and postulating about his imminent departure (mind you, this is not just you, SKO, but a sizeable and noteworthy lot on Twitter) is pointless as much as it is incorrect. For a #5 starter on a team with contention hopes, Lackey is about as good as you should expect to get and mindlessly typing FUCK YOU to him on Twitter every single start will do absolutely nothing to change that fact. You don't have to like it but I do recommend accepting it.
And that was my stance in early July--that the guy's getting paid for another 15 or so starts, and hopefully he can eat innings and not hurt them too badly. Even with that low bar, that's not exactly unusual for a #5 starter (hello Dan Haren! Or do you prefer Sean Estes?) And while I do find amusement in the petulant bumping of this thread because he had his first shitty start in the 5 weeks since the All-Star Break, the fact of the matter is that until Jake's last 2 starts had probably allowed Jake to overtake Lackey, the latter had been the best starting pitcher on a team since that point--for a team that desperately needed to establish stability out of their rotation.
In fact, SKO, you should be happy as fuck that Lackey shit the tub last night as opposed to being angry at him because he almost lost a game to the fucking Reds (that the Cubs won the game is icing on the cake--I've told anyone that cares to listen that they're going to win 60% of the rest of the schedule just by getting out of bed). Fact is, you don't want Lackey to be too good, as he'll begin to garner sympathy for a playoff roster spot. Since that is already starting to happen, and since no rational person wants to see it, a performance like last night is sure to counter this effect.
I was referring to Sahadev.
Well without reading the tweets put me on #teamsahadev
My initial tweet was how "this is shaping up to be one of those games where I'm told I have to give credit to Lackey for grinding out a 6 inning, 5 ER start" (I was wrong as it was 6 ER in 5 IP), Sahadev said "oh stop, he's been fine in the second half". I pointed out that his fine second half (where he's managed a whopping 3 quality starts) had lowered his ERA to 4.77 (now 4.90), so I guess I'm just wondering how many cookies pitching adequately as a 5th starter for a month and a half is worth.
I'm told that he's not much worse than average but his ERA+ is 89, which is well below average, and given that he's surrendered 31 fucking bombs it's pretty clear he's been fairly lucky, since his FIP is 5.58. He's also walking batters at a higher rate than he has since the year his elbow exploded. He sucks ass, I will hear no other opinions on the matter.
I replied to your tweet come to think of it and was actually smiling when he eventually did give up exactly 6 in 5 innings. You should hit the track today.
Nevertheless, this doesn't make your reaction--and all of your countless sarcastic early-game bellyaching reactions that you've taken all year to perfect-- any less disproportionate to the situation and if he's anything like me, Sahadev probably just got sick of it and chose last night to let you know to maybe calm the fuck down. I'm fairly confident that Lackey rates well for a 5th starter on balance--for a contending team or otherwise--and it's tiring to see someone go so far out of their way to not dare think anything positive about that asshole.
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Fuck you, Lackey
I've been told you cant get mad at Lackey because he's been solid for 1 of the 5 months of baseball played this season
As the closet thing to a Lackey supporter--and I seriously hate the guy as much as y'all--I think this is some serious Wounded SKO hyperbole. The nicest thing I've said about Lackey is that...well I don't think I've said anything nice about him at all come to think of it, nor have I told anyone to not get mad at him. I have, however, pointed out that all of the bitching and moaning and postulating about his imminent departure (mind you, this is not just you, SKO, but a sizeable and noteworthy lot on Twitter) is pointless as much as it is incorrect. For a #5 starter on a team with contention hopes, Lackey is about as good as you should expect to get and mindlessly typing FUCK YOU to him on Twitter every single start will do absolutely nothing to change that fact. You don't have to like it but I do recommend accepting it.
And that was my stance in early July--that the guy's getting paid for another 15 or so starts, and hopefully he can eat innings and not hurt them too badly. Even with that low bar, that's not exactly unusual for a #5 starter (hello Dan Haren! Or do you prefer Sean Estes?) And while I do find amusement in the petulant bumping of this thread because he had his first shitty start in the 5 weeks since the All-Star Break, the fact of the matter is that until Jake's last 2 starts had probably allowed Jake to overtake Lackey, the latter had been the best starting pitcher on a team since that point--for a team that desperately needed to establish stability out of their rotation.
In fact, SKO, you should be happy as fuck that Lackey shit the tub last night as opposed to being angry at him because he almost lost a game to the fucking Reds (that the Cubs won the game is icing on the cake--I've told anyone that cares to listen that they're going to win 60% of the rest of the schedule just by getting out of bed). Fact is, you don't want Lackey to be too good, as he'll begin to garner sympathy for a playoff roster spot. Since that is already starting to happen, and since no rational person wants to see it, a performance like last night is sure to counter this effect.
I was referring to Sahadev.
Well without reading the tweets put me on #teamsahadev
My initial tweet was how "this is shaping up to be one of those games where I'm told I have to give credit to Lackey for grinding out a 6 inning, 5 ER start" (I was wrong as it was 6 ER in 5 IP), Sahadev said "oh stop, he's been fine in the second half". I pointed out that his fine second half (where he's managed a whopping 3 quality starts) had lowered his ERA to 4.77 (now 4.90), so I guess I'm just wondering how many cookies pitching adequately as a 5th starter for a month and a half is worth.
I'm told that he's not much worse than average but his ERA+ is 89, which is well below average, and given that he's surrendered 31 fucking bombs it's pretty clear he's been fairly lucky, since his FIP is 5.58. He's also walking batters at a higher rate than he has since the year his elbow exploded. He sucks ass, I will hear no other opinions on the matter.
The entirety of this conversation is too many words about John Lackey and I'm sure as hell not going to read any of it.
Let's get this straight: John Lackey is bad and he sucks and he's an asshole. Now stick to the topic or I'll close down the thread.
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Quote from: A. Baldheaded Prick on August 23, 2017, 08:58:43 AM
I replied to your tweet come to think of it and was actually smiling when he eventually did give up exactly 6 in 5 innings. You should hit the track today.
Nevertheless, this doesn't make your reaction--and all of your countless sarcastic early-game bellyaching reactions that you've taken all year to perfect-- any less disproportionate to the situation and if he's anything like me, Sahadev probably just got sick of it and chose last night to let you know to maybe calm the fuck down. I'm fairly confident that Lackey rates well for a 5th starter on balance--for a contending team or otherwise--and it's tiring to see someone go so far out of their way to not dare think anything positive about that asshole.
I do not have to go out of my way at all to not think anything positive about a guy with an ERA near 5 that leads the league in homers allowed, and that doesn't even factor in what a heaping turd of a human being he is. The people going out of their way are the ones going "well, on balance, particularly whence factoring in the previous month, and ignoring the entire first half, for some reason, and also ignoring the fact that his peripherals are even worse than his actual results, which are bad, if you compare him to other 5th starters, contenders or otherwise, why, I daresay perhaps you're overreacting to his badness, which is perhaps merely average badness"
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Quote from: A. Baldheaded Prick on August 23, 2017, 08:58:43 AM
I replied to your tweet come to think of it and was actually smiling when he eventually did give up exactly 6 in 5 innings. You should hit the track today.
Nevertheless, this doesn't make your reaction--and all of your countless sarcastic early-game bellyaching reactions that you've taken all year to perfect-- any less disproportionate to the situation and if he's anything like me, Sahadev probably just got sick of it and chose last night to let you know to maybe calm the fuck down. I'm fairly confident that Lackey rates well for a 5th starter on balance--for a contending team or otherwise--and it's tiring to see someone go so far out of their way to not dare think anything positive about that asshole.
I do not have to go out of my way at all to not think anything positive about a guy with an ERA near 5 that leads the league in homers allowed, and that doesn't even factor in what a heaping turd of a human being he is. The people going out of their way are the ones going "well, on balance, particularly whence factoring in the previous month, and ignoring the entire first half, for some reason, and also ignoring the fact that his peripherals are even worse than his actual results, which are bad, if you compare him to other 5th starters, contenders or otherwise, why, I daresay perhaps you're overreacting to his badness, which is perhaps merely average badness"
No I'm not
you are.
DPD...seriously, though, aside from Jason Hammel in 2016, tell me any #5 starters on any playoff teams for whom you wouldn't want to ignore half their season. I'll wait.
Thirty-fucking-one home runs. I assumed that must be an exaggeration, but it's not: Lackey has actually given up thirty-one home runs. Holy fucking Mother of God.
Quote from: A. Baldheaded Prick on August 23, 2017, 09:06:44 AM
DPD...seriously, though, aside from Jason Hammel in 2016, tell me any #5 starters on any playoff teams for whom you wouldn't want to ignore half their season. I'll wait.
Well the Dodgers have had 16 starts or more from 6 dudes and the highest ERA in the pack is Kenta Maeda's 3.88.
Edwin Jackson is somehow performing better in both ERA and FIP than Lackey, albeit in a small sample size.
The Diamondbacks 5th starter is Zack Godley, who has a 3.13 ERA. If you took their worst starter ERA you get Patrick Corbin's 4.09.
I'm not sure who would count as Colorado's 5th starter but they have 6 dudes with at least 13 starts, all of whom rank well ahead of Lackey in ERA+, which accounts for their home games at Pinball Stadium (and even then only two of them have actual ERAs worse than John's, but have better FIPS, and again, adjusted for park are still better).
Shit even the Brewers have 5 guys who've made at least 9 starts and have a better ERA than Lackey.
The Astros have 5 starters with ERAs/ERA+/FIP better than our boy Lackey.
Boston lost David Price and had to turn to the corpse of Doug Fister, so he's really their 6th starter, and yet he has, yes, you guessed it, a better ERA, ERA+ and FIP than Lackey.
Again, not sure which Yankees starter even counts as their 5th starter but all with better ERAs and FIPs than Lackey, despite being in the AL and largely considered as the weakest rotation of any major contender.
This also ignores that Lackey, as the roster was designed this year, was
not the 5th starter. Brett Anderson was, then Eddie Butler. Lackey was the 4th guy, and he sucked ass. His "good" stretch coincided with the acquisition of Quintana which finally did bump him into that 5th spot, but for most of the year (and maybe now, depending on how quickly Lester can get back and get into shape) he's had a designated spot in any NLDS rotation, in which case he is woefully inadequate compared to the starting staffs of basically every other playoff contender.
But sure he's probably a better 5th starter than whatever hump Miami and a bunch of other dead ass teams are throwing out there. Lower the bar however much you want to justify your love of this horse-faced bumpkin.
Quote from: Tonker on August 23, 2017, 09:36:47 AM
Thirty-fucking-one home runs. I assumed that must be an exaggeration, but it's not: Lackey has actually given up thirty-one home runs. Holy fucking Mother of God.
Johnny Mothafuckin Longball.
All this is moot once Justin "Kate Upton" Verlander bumps Lackey from the rotation. It's gonna hai.
Fuck this guy forever
Yep. I was a Lackey apologist but his you can only ignore what a prick he is if he's pitching well, and those days are seemingly gone for ever. He's done and should the Cubs get to the postseason, he needs to be watching it on telly with the rest of us.
Quote from: Tonker on August 28, 2017, 04:37:05 AM
Yep. I was a Lackey apologist but his you can only ignore what a prick he is if he's pitching well, and those days are seemingly gone for ever. He's done and should the Cubs get to the postseason, he needs to be watching it on telly with the rest of us.
I think what's bizarre is this notion that he's a 5th starter and therefore the team can just chalk up his games to a "well what're you gonna do" and shrug it off. Fuck that. They have a 2 game lead in August. When Lester comes back they could easily replace Lackey with Montgomery. We're far too late in the game for "if everyone else steps up, the 5th starter shouldn't matter." With a 2 game lead, it all matters. Get every possible advantage you can and seize it (like maybe also benching Heyward, too).
All the Cubs needed out of him was one inning where he didn't completely shit himself. This was something he proved himself unable to provide.
As my beltless son said, keep Montgomery in the rotation, stick Lackey in the pen.
Quote from: SKO on August 28, 2017, 07:39:09 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 28, 2017, 04:37:05 AM
Yep. I was a Lackey apologist but his you can only ignore what a prick he is if he's pitching well, and those days are seemingly gone for ever. He's done and should the Cubs get to the postseason, he needs to be watching it on telly with the rest of us.
I think what's bizarre is this notion that he's a 5th starter and therefore the team can just chalk up his games to a "well what're you gonna do" and shrug it off. Fuck that. They have a 2 game lead in August. When Lester comes back they could easily replace Lackey with Montgomery. We're far too late in the game for "if everyone else steps up, the 5th starter shouldn't matter." With a 2 game lead, it all matters. Get every possible advantage you can and seize it (like maybe also benching Heyward, too).
It's not that bizarre to play down mediocrity out of the #5 spot; it's more often than not a reality. The Cubs didn't have that issue last year because it was an exceptional year and everything pretty much went right. But it sure was the case the year before when we had to clench ourselves through every one of Nice Guy Dan Haren's starts and and who could forget every single start that Sean Estes had in 2003 being a standard pants-shitting until he had the Sean Estes Game in late September and 1-hit the Reds?
I know nobody--least of all SKO--wants to hear this shit, particularly on the heels of a very genuinely disappointing week of play. I was furious with Lackey myself with that meltdown. But I'm also unhappy that this Rene Rivera dude can't block a breaking ball that goes right through his motherfucking 5-hole with a runner on 3rd (and he also can't hit....how is this guy's veteran presence more valuable then what Caratini brings?). I'm unhappy that the Cubs couldn't batter the shit out of this tomato can while his stuff was all over the place and his defense was betraying him in the 1st inning and instead settled for hoping that aforementioned shitbird Lackey could make 3 goddamn runs stand up. I'm
really fucking unhappy at Jason Heyward's very existence right now, and seeing him swing at the first pitch in the 8th inning after Baez singled and Sunday-hopping one right to the third baseman about made me want to kick a hole in the wall.
Having said all that, I'd agree that Montgomery would probably represent a slight upgrade over Lackey right now and I'd be fine with it, but at the same time don't know how much of a difference it would make at this point. I know ole' SKO really wants to pull the alarm and tell you, in his florid tongue, that they cannot fuck around because they're only two games ahead of the
ooooh the Germans Brewers, but I don't feel compelled to jump on the Panic Train. I say if they miss the playoffs--and actually get run down by the Brewers--because they didn't replace John Lackey by Labor Day that this team was a lot more flawed than just that.
In any event, I'm looking forward to the next 6 weeks because at the end of it we'll never have to deal with Lackey again and I won't have to feel icky by even remotely appearing to be defending him.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 28, 2017, 09:40:47 AM
It's not that bizarre to play down mediocrity out of the #5 spot; it's more often than not a reality. The Cubs didn't have that issue last year because it was an exceptional year and everything pretty much went right. But it sure was the case the year before when we had to clench ourselves through every one of Nice Guy Dan Haren's starts and and who could forget every single start that Sean Estes had in 2003 being a standard pants-shitting until he had the Sean Estes Game in late September and 1-hit the Reds?
I know nobody--least of all SKO--wants to hear this shit, particularly on the heels of a very genuinely disappointing week of play. I was furious with Lackey myself with that meltdown. But I'm also unhappy that this Rene Rivera dude can't block a breaking ball that goes right through his motherfucking 5-hole with a runner on 3rd (and he also can't hit....how is this guy's veteran presence more valuable then what Caratini brings?). I'm unhappy that the Cubs couldn't batter the shit out of this tomato can while his stuff was all over the place and his defense was betraying him in the 1st inning and instead settled for hoping that aforementioned shitbird Lackey could make 3 goddamn runs stand up. I'm really fucking unhappy at Jason Heyward's very existence right now, and seeing him swing at the first pitch in the 8th inning after Baez singled and Sunday-hopping one right to the third baseman about made me want to kick a hole in the wall.
Having said all that, I'd agree that Montgomery would probably represent a slight upgrade over Lackey right now and I'd be fine with it, but at the same time don't know how much of a difference it would make at this point. I know ole' SKO really wants to pull the alarm and tell you, in his florid tongue, that they cannot fuck around because they're only two games ahead of the ooooh the Germans Brewers, but I don't feel compelled to jump on the Panic Train. I say if they miss the playoffs--and actually get run down by the Brewers--because they didn't replace John Lackey by Labor Day that this team was a lot more flawed than just that.
In any event, I'm looking forward to the next 6 weeks because at the end of it we'll never have to deal with Lackey again and I won't have to feel icky by even remotely appearing to be defending him.
That's my point that you're missing. This team is a lot more flawed than that. This shouldn't have mattered, but because Schwarber took half a year to start hitting, Injuries sapped Bryant of his power for a bit, Zobrist got hurt, Russell has under-achieved etc they are in a place where they could, conceivably, fall behind in the division, and so anyone, anyone, be they John Lackey, Jason Heyward, etc who is not performing right now and could potentially be even temporarily replaced by a marginal upgrade should be.
If the Cubs miss the playoffs I'm not going to look at this season and say "it's John Lackey's fault." That doesn't mean he's not a contributing factor and failing to replace him even though they could have because "he's just the 5th starter anyway and they have bigger problems" would be stupid.
Again, I don't give a shit that Shawn Estes sucked in 2003, if you look around the league right now, at the state of most playoff contenders, they are getting a hell of a lot more out of their fifth starters than the Cubs are getting from Lackey, as I already demonstrated earlier in this thread. The "he's not that bad for a 5th starter" argument is pure horseshit. He is that bad for a 5th starter. His FIP is second to last among all qualified starters in baseball and he leads the league in homers allowed. That's not better than literally anything, and letting him stay in the rotation after the trade deadline was inexcusable, even if it temporarily worked out because the team scored a metric fuckton of runs in his starts and he rode an unsustainable LOB% for a few weeks.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 23, 2017, 02:58:46 PM
All this is moot once Justin "Kate Upton" Verlander bumps Lackey from the rotation. It's gonna hai.
UPDATE: It's not gonna hai.
Fuck this fucking.....
Oh, very nice, John
Quote from: Yeti on September 01, 2017, 03:29:22 PM
Fuck this fucking.....
Oh, very nice, John
If you need a guy to give you a quick and efficient outing with the wind taking home runs out of the equation, Lackey is probably among a list of several dozen pitchers you might consider.
Big Game John came ready to play tonight
John Lackey... he's bad
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 15, 2017, 01:39:51 PM
John Lackey... he's bad
One hit, one run in three innings. Don't go all SKO on us here.
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 15, 2017, 01:39:51 PM
John Lackey... he's bad
One hit, one run in three innings. Don't go all SKO on us here.
That was after the home run, which ol' John leads the league in allowing by the way, because he is in fact bad. Don't you judge me.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 15, 2017, 02:22:22 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 15, 2017, 02:06:35 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 15, 2017, 01:39:51 PM
John Lackey... he's bad
One hit, one run in three innings. Don't go all SKO on us here.
That was after the home run, which ol' John leads the league in allowing by the way, because he is in fact bad. Don't you judge me.
The old bastard has humiliated me the last several times I've bumped this thread following a first inning run because he almost always settles down afterwards. You gotta wait for that 4th run to cross before you get real cranky.
Quote from: SKO on September 15, 2017, 02:32:25 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 15, 2017, 02:22:22 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 15, 2017, 02:06:35 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 15, 2017, 01:39:51 PM
John Lackey... he's bad
One hit, one run in three innings. Don't go all SKO on us here.
That was after the home run, which ol' John leads the league in allowing by the way, because he is in fact bad. Don't you judge me.
The old bastard has humiliated me the last several times I've bumped this thread following a first inning run because he almost always settles down afterwards. You gotta wait for that 4th run to cross before you get real cranky.
Anyone defending him now? He just fucked the bullpen, fucked Contreras, and fucked the score with his crybaby bullshit. I don't care if the umpire blew it. Do your damn job.
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 15, 2017, 01:39:51 PM
John Lackey... he's bad
One hit, one run in three innings. Don't go all SKO on us here.
That was after the home run, which ol' John leads the league in allowing by the way, because he is in fact bad. Don't you judge me.
The old bastard has humiliated me the last several times I've bumped this thread following a first inning run because he almost always settles down afterwards. You gotta wait for that 4th run to cross before you get real cranky.
Anyone defending him now? He just fucked the bullpen, fucked Contreras, and fucked the score with his crybaby bullshit. I don't care if the umpire blew it. Do your damn job.
No I would have gone absolutely as apeshit as John did there and I don't blame him. He had to fucking throw it down the middle, too, when the ump won't give you THAT pitch. Fuck umpires.
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 15, 2017, 02:06:35 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 15, 2017, 01:39:51 PM
John Lackey... he's bad
One hit, one run in three innings. Don't go all SKO on us here.
That was after the home run, which ol' John leads the league in allowing by the way, because he is in fact bad. Don't you judge me.
The old bastard has humiliated me the last several times I've bumped this thread following a first inning run because he almost always settles down afterwards. You gotta wait for that 4th run to cross before you get real cranky.
Anyone defending him now? He just fucked the bullpen, fucked Contreras, and fucked the score with his crybaby bullshit. I don't care if the umpire blew it. Do your damn job.
No I would have gone absolutely as apeshit as John did there and I don't blame him. He had to fucking throw it down the middle, too, when the ump won't give you THAT pitch. Fuck umpires.
That was twice.
Fuck that ump.
Ejection during a play?
I need to calm down. God damnit.
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 15, 2017, 02:22:22 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 15, 2017, 02:06:35 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 15, 2017, 01:39:51 PM
John Lackey... he's bad
One hit, one run in three innings. Don't go all SKO on us here.
That was after the home run, which ol' John leads the league in allowing by the way, because he is in fact bad. Don't you judge me.
The old bastard has humiliated me the last several times I've bumped this thread following a first inning run because he almost always settles down afterwards. You gotta wait for that 4th run to cross before you get real cranky.
Anyone defending him now? He just fucked the bullpen, fucked Contreras, and fucked the score with his crybaby bullshit. I don't care if the umpire blew it. Do your damn job.
No I would have gone absolutely as apeshit as John did there and I don't blame him. He had to fucking throw it down the middle, too, when the ump won't give you THAT pitch. Fuck umpires.
That was twice.
Fuck that ump.
Ejection during a play?
I need to calm down. God damnit.
There's zero, fucking zero justification for ejecting Willson either. Dude was calming down, it was over, THEN ump tosses him.
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 15, 2017, 02:06:35 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 15, 2017, 01:39:51 PM
John Lackey... he's bad
One hit, one run in three innings. Don't go all SKO on us here.
That was after the home run, which ol' John leads the league in allowing by the way, because he is in fact bad. Don't you judge me.
The old bastard has humiliated me the last several times I've bumped this thread following a first inning run because he almost always settles down afterwards. You gotta wait for that 4th run to cross before you get real cranky.
Anyone defending him now? He just fucked the bullpen, fucked Contreras, and fucked the score with his crybaby bullshit. I don't care if the umpire blew it. Do your damn job.
No I would have gone absolutely as apeshit as John did there and I don't blame him. He had to fucking throw it down the middle, too, when the ump won't give you THAT pitch. Fuck umpires.
That was twice.
Fuck that ump.
Ejection during a play?
I need to calm down. God damnit.
There's zero, fucking zero justification for ejecting Willson either. Dude was calming down, it was over, THEN ump tosses him.
I don't think he *had* to throw a meatball hanging breaking ball that anyone else but the pitcher would have hit over the wall.
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 15, 2017, 01:39:51 PM
John Lackey... he's bad
One hit, one run in three innings. Don't go all SKO on us here.
That was after the home run, which ol' John leads the league in allowing by the way, because he is in fact bad. Don't you judge me.
The old bastard has humiliated me the last several times I've bumped this thread following a first inning run because he almost always settles down afterwards. You gotta wait for that 4th run to cross before you get real cranky.
Anyone defending him now? He just fucked the bullpen, fucked Contreras, and fucked the score with his crybaby bullshit. I don't care if the umpire blew it. Do your damn job.
No I would have gone absolutely as apeshit as John did there and I don't blame him. He had to fucking throw it down the middle, too, when the ump won't give you THAT pitch. Fuck umpires.
That was twice.
Fuck that ump.
Ejection during a play?
I need to calm down. God damnit.
There's zero, fucking zero justification for ejecting Willson either. Dude was calming down, it was over, THEN ump tosses him.
He threw his mask, his mask hit the ump. That's automatic.
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 15, 2017, 01:39:51 PM
John Lackey... he's bad
One hit, one run in three innings. Don't go all SKO on us here.
That was after the home run, which ol' John leads the league in allowing by the way, because he is in fact bad. Don't you judge me.
The old bastard has humiliated me the last several times I've bumped this thread following a first inning run because he almost always settles down afterwards. You gotta wait for that 4th run to cross before you get real cranky.
Anyone defending him now? He just fucked the bullpen, fucked Contreras, and fucked the score with his crybaby bullshit. I don't care if the umpire blew it. Do your damn job.
No I would have gone absolutely as apeshit as John did there and I don't blame him. He had to fucking throw it down the middle, too, when the ump won't give you THAT pitch. Fuck umpires.
That was twice.
Fuck that ump.
Ejection during a play?
I need to calm down. God damnit.
There's zero, fucking zero justification for ejecting Willson either. Dude was calming down, it was over, THEN ump tosses him.
I don't think he *had* to throw a meatball hanging breaking ball that anyone else but the pitcher would have hit over the wall.
Empirical evidence much?
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 15, 2017, 02:06:35 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 15, 2017, 01:39:51 PM
John Lackey... he's bad
One hit, one run in three innings. Don't go all SKO on us here.
That was after the home run, which ol' John leads the league in allowing by the way, because he is in fact bad. Don't you judge me.
The old bastard has humiliated me the last several times I've bumped this thread following a first inning run because he almost always settles down afterwards. You gotta wait for that 4th run to cross before you get real cranky.
Anyone defending him now? He just fucked the bullpen, fucked Contreras, and fucked the score with his crybaby bullshit. I don't care if the umpire blew it. Do your damn job.
No I would have gone absolutely as apeshit as John did there and I don't blame him. He had to fucking throw it down the middle, too, when the ump won't give you THAT pitch. Fuck umpires.
That was twice.
Fuck that ump.
Ejection during a play?
I need to calm down. God damnit.
There's zero, fucking zero justification for ejecting Willson either. Dude was calming down, it was over, THEN ump tosses him.
He threw his mask, his mask hit the ump. That's automatic.
And yes, his equipment hit the ump. He's ejected.
Still doesn't mean I'm not pissed.
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 15, 2017, 02:06:35 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 15, 2017, 01:39:51 PM
John Lackey... he's bad
One hit, one run in three innings. Don't go all SKO on us here.
That was after the home run, which ol' John leads the league in allowing by the way, because he is in fact bad. Don't you judge me.
The old bastard has humiliated me the last several times I've bumped this thread following a first inning run because he almost always settles down afterwards. You gotta wait for that 4th run to cross before you get real cranky.
Anyone defending him now? He just fucked the bullpen, fucked Contreras, and fucked the score with his crybaby bullshit. I don't care if the umpire blew it. Do your damn job.
No I would have gone absolutely as apeshit as John did there and I don't blame him. He had to fucking throw it down the middle, too, when the ump won't give you THAT pitch. Fuck umpires.
That was twice.
Fuck that ump.
Ejection during a play?
I need to calm down. God damnit.
There's zero, fucking zero justification for ejecting Willson either. Dude was calming down, it was over, THEN ump tosses him.
He threw his mask, his mask hit the ump. That's automatic.
Watch the replay again, Grandpa. He throws the mask AFTER he is ejected. He is turning away from the ump when he gets tossed.
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 15, 2017, 02:06:35 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 15, 2017, 01:39:51 PM
John Lackey... he's bad
One hit, one run in three innings. Don't go all SKO on us here.
That was after the home run, which ol' John leads the league in allowing by the way, because he is in fact bad. Don't you judge me.
The old bastard has humiliated me the last several times I've bumped this thread following a first inning run because he almost always settles down afterwards. You gotta wait for that 4th run to cross before you get real cranky.
Anyone defending him now? He just fucked the bullpen, fucked Contreras, and fucked the score with his crybaby bullshit. I don't care if the umpire blew it. Do your damn job.
No I would have gone absolutely as apeshit as John did there and I don't blame him. He had to fucking throw it down the middle, too, when the ump won't give you THAT pitch. Fuck umpires.
That was twice.
Fuck that ump.
Ejection during a play?
I need to calm down. God damnit.
There's zero, fucking zero justification for ejecting Willson either. Dude was calming down, it was over, THEN ump tosses him.
I don't think he *had* to throw a meatball hanging breaking ball that anyone else but the pitcher would have hit over the wall.
Empirical evidence much?
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2ame6s.png)
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 15, 2017, 01:39:51 PM
John Lackey... he's bad
One hit, one run in three innings. Don't go all SKO on us here.
That was after the home run, which ol' John leads the league in allowing by the way, because he is in fact bad. Don't you judge me.
The old bastard has humiliated me the last several times I've bumped this thread following a first inning run because he almost always settles down afterwards. You gotta wait for that 4th run to cross before you get real cranky.
Anyone defending him now? He just fucked the bullpen, fucked Contreras, and fucked the score with his crybaby bullshit. I don't care if the umpire blew it. Do your damn job.
No I would have gone absolutely as apeshit as John did there and I don't blame him. He had to fucking throw it down the middle, too, when the ump won't give you THAT pitch. Fuck umpires.
That was twice.
Fuck that ump.
Ejection during a play?
I need to calm down. God damnit.
There's zero, fucking zero justification for ejecting Willson either. Dude was calming down, it was over, THEN ump tosses him.
I don't think he *had* to throw a meatball hanging breaking ball that anyone else but the pitcher would have hit over the wall.
Empirical evidence much?
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2ame6s.png)
Nice freeze frame.
I'll say it again, empirical evidence much?
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John Lackey... he's bad
One hit, one run in three innings. Don't go all SKO on us here.
That was after the home run, which ol' John leads the league in allowing by the way, because he is in fact bad. Don't you judge me.
The old bastard has humiliated me the last several times I've bumped this thread following a first inning run because he almost always settles down afterwards. You gotta wait for that 4th run to cross before you get real cranky.
Anyone defending him now? He just fucked the bullpen, fucked Contreras, and fucked the score with his crybaby bullshit. I don't care if the umpire blew it. Do your damn job.
No I would have gone absolutely as apeshit as John did there and I don't blame him. He had to fucking throw it down the middle, too, when the ump won't give you THAT pitch. Fuck umpires.
That was twice.
Fuck that ump.
Ejection during a play?
I need to calm down. God damnit.
There's zero, fucking zero justification for ejecting Willson either. Dude was calming down, it was over, THEN ump tosses him.
I don't think he *had* to throw a meatball hanging breaking ball that anyone else but the pitcher would have hit over the wall.
Empirical evidence much?
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Nice freeze frame.
I'll say it again, empirical evidence much?
Okay, so ... I don't know what you want here, exactly, except to defend John Fucking Lackey. We're taking about one specific pitch. You want me to mathematically prove my opinion that that pitch was easy to hit, for some reason. And apparently evidence acquired by observation no longer counts as empirical evidence, so, I'll just have Lackey stick around and throw that same pitch to the entire Cardinals lineup and report back on how many guys hit it out. Cool?
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John Lackey... he's bad
One hit, one run in three innings. Don't go all SKO on us here.
That was after the home run, which ol' John leads the league in allowing by the way, because he is in fact bad. Don't you judge me.
The old bastard has humiliated me the last several times I've bumped this thread following a first inning run because he almost always settles down afterwards. You gotta wait for that 4th run to cross before you get real cranky.
Anyone defending him now? He just fucked the bullpen, fucked Contreras, and fucked the score with his crybaby bullshit. I don't care if the umpire blew it. Do your damn job.
No I would have gone absolutely as apeshit as John did there and I don't blame him. He had to fucking throw it down the middle, too, when the ump won't give you THAT pitch. Fuck umpires.
That was twice.
Fuck that ump.
Ejection during a play?
I need to calm down. God damnit.
There's zero, fucking zero justification for ejecting Willson either. Dude was calming down, it was over, THEN ump tosses him.
I don't think he *had* to throw a meatball hanging breaking ball that anyone else but the pitcher would have hit over the wall.
Empirical evidence much?
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2ame6s.png)
Nice freeze frame.
I'll say it again, empirical evidence much?
Okay, so ... I don't know what you want here, exactly, except to defend John Fucking Lackey. We're taking about one specific pitch. You want me to mathematically prove my opinion that that pitch was easy to hit, for some reason. And apparently evidence acquired by observation no longer counts as empirical evidence, so, I'll just have Lackey stick around and throw that same pitch to the entire Cardinals lineup and report back on how many guys hit it out. Cool?
The observation would have to be accurate. A pitched baseball is thrown in three dimensions not two.
Your photographic presentation of that pitch is incomplete and flawed.
Not even getting into
Quotethat anyone else but the pitcher would have hit over the wall
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John Lackey... he's bad
One hit, one run in three innings. Don't go all SKO on us here.
That was after the home run, which ol' John leads the league in allowing by the way, because he is in fact bad. Don't you judge me.
The old bastard has humiliated me the last several times I've bumped this thread following a first inning run because he almost always settles down afterwards. You gotta wait for that 4th run to cross before you get real cranky.
Anyone defending him now? He just fucked the bullpen, fucked Contreras, and fucked the score with his crybaby bullshit. I don't care if the umpire blew it. Do your damn job.
No I would have gone absolutely as apeshit as John did there and I don't blame him. He had to fucking throw it down the middle, too, when the ump won't give you THAT pitch. Fuck umpires.
That was twice.
Fuck that ump.
Ejection during a play?
I need to calm down. God damnit.
There's zero, fucking zero justification for ejecting Willson either. Dude was calming down, it was over, THEN ump tosses him.
I don't think he *had* to throw a meatball hanging breaking ball that anyone else but the pitcher would have hit over the wall.
Empirical evidence much?
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2ame6s.png)
Nice freeze frame.
I'll say it again, empirical evidence much?
Okay, so ... I don't know what you want here, exactly, except to defend John Fucking Lackey. We're taking about one specific pitch. You want me to mathematically prove my opinion that that pitch was easy to hit, for some reason. And apparently evidence acquired by observation no longer counts as empirical evidence, so, I'll just have Lackey stick around and throw that same pitch to the entire Cardinals lineup and report back on how many guys hit it out. Cool?
"No longer"? Random person's anecdata engrams?
In other news, I missed the whole thing because I was trying to start socializing some really scared rescue street kittens while there's still a window of opportunity, so there.
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John Lackey... he's bad
One hit, one run in three innings. Don't go all SKO on us here.
That was after the home run, which ol' John leads the league in allowing by the way, because he is in fact bad. Don't you judge me.
The old bastard has humiliated me the last several times I've bumped this thread following a first inning run because he almost always settles down afterwards. You gotta wait for that 4th run to cross before you get real cranky.
Anyone defending him now? He just fucked the bullpen, fucked Contreras, and fucked the score with his crybaby bullshit. I don't care if the umpire blew it. Do your damn job.
No I would have gone absolutely as apeshit as John did there and I don't blame him. He had to fucking throw it down the middle, too, when the ump won't give you THAT pitch. Fuck umpires.
That was twice.
Fuck that ump.
Ejection during a play?
I need to calm down. God damnit.
There's zero, fucking zero justification for ejecting Willson either. Dude was calming down, it was over, THEN ump tosses him.
I don't think he *had* to throw a meatball hanging breaking ball that anyone else but the pitcher would have hit over the wall.
You know, that thought had briefly coursed through my mind, too, but I'm going to let it go. Lackey must've come to the realization at the break that his season will end 10/1 unless he can finally prove, after a year-and-a-half, that he deserves to be on the postseason roster because he's pitched like it since then Going into the game yesterday, a balls start probably would have made him a 100% lock and that's probably what he was thinking. Yesterday was a huge matchup against their ace and he had effectively taken his club into the 6th inning tied vs. said ace. He stepped up and did what was needed for the team and himself and he got needlessly fucked by an Ump Show who felt he should squeeze Lackey with the pitcher up and just waste everyone's time. Fuck that umpire.
As I was saying, John Lackey sucks.
You know, at this point, Lackey has a better WHIP and WAR than Lester?
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You know, at this point, Lackey has a better WHIP and WAR than Lester?
Not about what Lester has done this year while clearly hurt for most if not all of the season. If he can get to 100% Lester by NLDS G4 you take him over 100% Lackey every time.
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You know, at this point, Lackey has a better WHIP and WAR than Lester?
Not about what Lester has done this year while clearly hurt for most if not all of the season. If he can get to 100% Lester by NLDS G4 you take him over 100% Lackey every time.
This shouldn't even need to be said.
At one point Lackey
may have given food for thought to supplanting Quintana but in the last 3 weeks the latter has closed the book on that discussion. Lackey has likely pitched his way onto the playoff roster, which I'd have found unthinkable back in June--and that's far as this goes: emergency multi-inning guy.
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You know, at this point, Lackey has a better WHIP and WAR than Lester?
Not about what Lester has done this year while clearly hurt for most if not all of the season. If he can get to 100% Lester by NLDS G4 you take him over 100% Lackey every time.
This shouldn't even need to be said.
At one point Lackey may have given food for thought to supplanting Quintana but in the last 3 weeks the latter has closed the book on that discussion. Lackey has likely pitched his way onto the playoff roster, which I'd have found unthinkable back in June--and that's far as this goes: emergency multi-inning guy.
In the second half, Lackey has a 1.25 WHIP, and a 3.88 ERA. Lester: 5.11 ERA, 1.35 WHIP. Teams are batting .321 against him in September. I'm certainly not advocating for Teeth to supplant Lester in the post season rotation, but Jon is running out of water to right the ship. Makes me wonder how Maddon will juggle things in October.
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Jon is running out of water to right the ship.
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Jon is running out of water to right the ship.
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Running out of asphalt? Tarmac? Fuck it, I don't know.
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At one point Lackey may have given food for thought to supplanting Quintana
#NotAMeatball
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At one point Lackey may have given food for thought to supplanting Quintana
#NotAMeatball
Quintana was struggling a month ago and Lackey was pitching about as well as anybody. Additionally, I do not like Lackey and was definitely pulling for this
not to be the case. So now I'm a meatball because I simply looked at this objectively? I don't think you can argue that with the way Quintana was pitching in mid-August that he was a lock.
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At one point Lackey may have given food for thought to supplanting Quintana
#NotAMeatball
Quintana was struggling a month ago and Lackey was pitching about as well as anybody. Additionally, I do not like Lackey and was definitely pulling for this not to be the case. So now I'm a meatball because I simply looked at this objectively? I don't think you can argue that with the way Quintana was pitching in mid-August that he was a lock.
2 stinkers 3 weeks apart isn't struggling.
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At one point Lackey may have given food for thought to supplanting Quintana
#NotAMeatball
Quintana was struggling a month ago and Lackey was pitching about as well as anybody. Additionally, I do not like Lackey and was definitely pulling for this not to be the case. So now I'm a meatball because I simply looked at this objectively? I don't think you can argue that with the way Quintana was pitching in mid-August that he was a lock.
2 stinkers 3 weeks apart isn't struggling.
Huey the ledge-jumper, I calls him.
As much well-deserved shit as we've given him on here, that was one helluva ride into the sunset.
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As much well-deserved shit as we've given him on here, that was one helluva ride into the sunset.
Matt Cain
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As much well-deserved shit as we've given him on here, that was one helluva ride into the sunset.
I hate Lackey as much as the next guy but that was a hell of a start.
So, about Saturday.
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So, about Saturday.
If you told me, in early June, after the Cubs' 0-6 west coast trip in LA and San Diego that left them at what would prove to be their nadir of 4 games under .500, that they would advance to the LCS and that John Lackey could legitimately be their Game 1 starter I...I can't imagine what I would have said or thought.
If John Lackey gives up 0 runs in all of his NLCS appearances, I swear I will never say a negative word about him ever again. Golden opportunity, John!
Edit: Mininum 4.1 IP
Theo made it sound likely that it'd be Quintana. He didn't even throw a full inning and it was his bullpen day anyway. But I suspect we'll see Lackey at some point
Lackey was pretty good his last few starts. I say give the man a few innings in Saturday
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Lackey was pretty good his last few starts. I say give the man a few innings in Saturday
I'm definitely for giving Lackey a chance here.
And if he's terrible, I'll hold it against him forever.
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Lackey was pretty good his last few starts. I say give the man a few innings in Saturday
I'm definitely for giving Lackey a chance here.
And if he's terrible, I'll hold it against him forever.
What the fuck has postseason baseball done to us?
Silver lining: it's quite possible that Horseface's final major league pitch will be a walkoff dong to a supporting character from the live action Masters of the Universe movie.
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Silver lining: it's quite possible that Horseface's final major league pitch will be a walkoff dong to a supporting character from the live action Masters of the Universe movie. Rudolf the Red-Nosed Reindeer.
Yukon Cornelius'd.
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Silver lining: it's quite possible that Horseface's final major league pitch will be a walkoff dong to a supporting character from the live action Masters of the Universe movie.
that douchebag from the Beach Boys
Mike Love'd.
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Silver lining: it's quite possible that Horseface's final major league pitch will be a walkoff dong to a supporting character from the live action Masters of the Universe movie. guy that lives under the stairs.
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https://deadspin.com/john-lackey-should-be-in-jail-1819503434
Amen!
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https://deadspin.com/john-lackey-should-be-in-jail-1819503434
Amen!
Jail...bottom of Lake Michigan...I'm fine with either.
I swaw on teh Twits that he wants to keep playing. If I got paid what he gets paid to be that bad at my jorb, I'd never want to retire either.
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I swaw on teh Twits that he wants to keep playing. If I got paid what he gets paid to be that bad at my jorb, I'd never want to retire either.
He looked like he was cooked in early July, and instead some team will pay for what was likely his death rattle the last 3 months.
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I swaw on teh Twits that he wants to keep playing. If I got paid what he gets paid to be that bad at my jorb, I'd never want to retire either.
He looked like he was cooked in early July, and instead some team will pay for what was likely his death rattle the last 3 months.
He really had a lot of success in St. Louis. I'd be fine if they try to rekindle the magic.
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I swaw on teh Twits that he wants to keep playing. If I got paid what he gets paid to be that bad at my jorb, I'd never want to retire either.
He looked like he was cooked in early July, and instead some team will pay for what was likely his death rattle the last 3 months.
He really had a lot of success in St. Louis. I'd be fine if they try to rekindle the magic.
THE CARDINAL WAY
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I swaw on teh Twits that he wants to keep playing. If I got paid what he gets paid to be that bad at my jorb, I'd never want to retire either.
He looked like he was cooked in early July, and instead some team will pay for what was likely his death rattle the last 3 months.
He really had a lot of success in St. Louis. I'd be fine if they try to rekindle the magic.
THE CARDINAL WAY
moran
Hot diggity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cubs GM Jed Hoyer confirmed that John Lackey plans to pitch in 2018 and didn't dismiss a return to the Cubs: "Its certainly something we're going to talk about."
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Hot diggity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cubs GM Jed Hoyer confirmed that John Lackey plans to pitch in 2018 and didn't dismiss a return to the Cubs: "Its certainly something we're going to talk about."
A complete analysis is offered here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJXYMDu6dpY).