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Title: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Quality Start Machine on March 24, 2014, 09:45:00 AM

Fuck Slak. I'm going Full Boyle on Olt.

I think his eye issues are cleared up, and the Cubs will suddenly have a beastly manchild bombarding bleacherites all summer.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on March 24, 2014, 10:02:38 AM
MY COLT!
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: BH on March 24, 2014, 12:57:44 PM
I can't help but think about Huey's funeral with each Olt success.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Quality Start Machine on March 24, 2014, 01:50:32 PM
Quote from: BH on March 24, 2014, 12:57:44 PM
I can't help but think about Huey's funeral with each Olt success.

and how we'll all mournfully pour out a little ketchup from our bottles in his memory.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: InternetApex on March 24, 2014, 02:15:23 PM
(http://bcgavel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/richard-harrow-1024.jpg)

Mmmm... He's still shitty.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: CBStew on March 24, 2014, 04:22:03 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 24, 2014, 02:15:23 PM
(http://bcgavel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/richard-harrow-1024.jpg)

Mmmm... He's still shitty.

"Can you describe the man who shot the victim?"
"No.  He was pretty average looking.  Medium height.  Slender build.  Brown hair.  Oh yes, he wore glasses."
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: thehawk on March 27, 2014, 12:34:01 PM
MLB reporting that he May Darosta
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: InternetApex on March 27, 2014, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: thehawk on March 27, 2014, 12:34:01 PM
MLB reporting that he May Darosta

(http://www.geekcrusade.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Arnold-Schwarzeneger-as-Terminator.jpg)
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: R-V on March 27, 2014, 12:43:14 PM
MY CALT (https://twitter.com/LenKasper/status/449238276759515136)

Quote from: Len KasperMike Olt pronounced "AULT" ...kinda combo between "OHLT" and "AHLT" if that makes sense. Just asked him.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Slaky on March 27, 2014, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: R-V on March 27, 2014, 12:43:14 PM
MY CALT (https://twitter.com/LenKasper/status/449238276759515136)

Quote from: Len KasperMike Olt pronounced "AULT" ...kinda combo between "OHLT" and "AHLT" if that makes sense. Just asked him.

this is worse than finding out it's TAY-VO not TOO-VO
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Tonker on March 27, 2014, 12:58:38 PM
Quote from: Slaky on March 27, 2014, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: R-V on March 27, 2014, 12:43:14 PM
MY CALT (https://twitter.com/LenKasper/status/449238276759515136)

Quote from: Len KasperMike Olt pronounced "AULT" ...kinda combo between "OHLT" and "AHLT" if that makes sense. Just asked him.

this is worse than finding out it's TAY-VO not TOO-VO

Or TERVS not TAVES.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Quality Start Machine on March 27, 2014, 01:48:12 PM
Quote from: R-V on March 27, 2014, 12:43:14 PM
MY CALT (https://twitter.com/LenKasper/status/449238276759515136)

Quote from: Len KasperMike Olt pronounced "AULT" ...kinda combo between "OHLT" and "AHLT" if that makes sense. Just asked him.

(http://backinblue.kc-media.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/doug-ault-218x300.jpg)
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Slaky on March 27, 2014, 01:52:36 PM
Looks like Olt made it.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Brownie on March 27, 2014, 03:06:46 PM
Apex has already put up a Pinterest page in his honor. (http://www.pinterest.com/sharonr3163/my-colts/)
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: InternetApex on March 27, 2014, 04:42:41 PM
Quote from: Brownie on March 27, 2014, 03:06:46 PM
Apex has already put up a Pinterest page in his honor. (http://www.pinterest.com/sharonr3163/my-colts/)

Uh, wrong link (http://www.pinterest.com/search/pins/?q=Richard%20Harrow), bro. 
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Slaky on March 28, 2014, 08:23:05 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 27, 2014, 04:42:41 PM
Quote from: Brownie on March 27, 2014, 03:06:46 PM
Apex has already put up a Pinterest page in his honor. (http://www.pinterest.com/sharonr3163/my-colts/)

Uh, wrong link (http://www.pinterest.com/search/pins/?q=Richard%20Harrow), bro. 

I need to watch this show don't I
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: InternetApex on March 28, 2014, 08:49:39 AM
Quote from: Slaky on March 28, 2014, 08:23:05 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 27, 2014, 04:42:41 PM
Quote from: Brownie on March 27, 2014, 03:06:46 PM
Apex has already put up a Pinterest page in his honor. (http://www.pinterest.com/sharonr3163/my-colts/)

Uh, wrong link (http://www.pinterest.com/search/pins/?q=Richard%20Harrow), bro. 

I need to watch this show don't I

Keep your expectations in check and enjoy.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on March 28, 2014, 09:14:54 AM
Quote from: Fork on March 27, 2014, 01:48:12 PM
Quote from: R-V on March 27, 2014, 12:43:14 PM
MY CALT (https://twitter.com/LenKasper/status/449238276759515136)

Quote from: Len KasperMike Olt pronounced "AULT" ...kinda combo between "OHLT" and "AHLT" if that makes sense. Just asked him.

(http://backinblue.kc-media.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/doug-ault-218x300.jpg)

Let's hope he gets off to as good of a start. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TOR/TOR197704070.shtml)
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Quality Start Machine on March 28, 2014, 10:00:10 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 28, 2014, 09:14:54 AM
Quote from: Fork on March 27, 2014, 01:48:12 PM
Quote from: R-V on March 27, 2014, 12:43:14 PM
MY CALT (https://twitter.com/LenKasper/status/449238276759515136)

Quote from: Len KasperMike Olt pronounced "AULT" ...kinda combo between "OHLT" and "AHLT" if that makes sense. Just asked him.

(http://backinblue.kc-media.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/doug-ault-218x300.jpg)

Let's hope he gets off to as good of a start. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TOR/TOR197704070.shtml)

That's the game where Richie Zisk hit a home run into a snowbank.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Saul Goodman on April 03, 2014, 12:03:22 PM
MY COLT!
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: InternetApex on April 03, 2014, 12:08:42 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 03, 2014, 12:03:22 PM
MY COLT!

http://youtu.be/oeTWgCC5UEc?t=2m57s
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: R-V on April 03, 2014, 12:31:14 PM
FYS
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on April 03, 2014, 02:20:39 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 03, 2014, 12:31:14 PM
FYS
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: CBStew on April 03, 2014, 02:54:26 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 03, 2014, 12:31:14 PM
FYS

"S"?   Surely not "CBS".
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Tonker on April 03, 2014, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: CBStew on April 03, 2014, 02:54:26 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 03, 2014, 12:31:14 PM
FYS

"S"?   Surely not "CBS".

Slak's the only OLTHATER round these parts, Stew.  The rest of us (you included, I feel sure) worship the bloke.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Slaky on April 03, 2014, 03:53:08 PM
Quote from: Tonker on April 03, 2014, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: CBStew on April 03, 2014, 02:54:26 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 03, 2014, 12:31:14 PM
FYS

"S"?   Surely not "CBS".

Slak's the only OLTHATER round these parts, Stew.  The rest of us (you included, I feel sure) worship the bloke.

My hate is going inspire his run to the Silver Slugger.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: CBStew on April 03, 2014, 04:30:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on April 03, 2014, 03:53:08 PM
Quote from: Tonker on April 03, 2014, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: CBStew on April 03, 2014, 02:54:26 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 03, 2014, 12:31:14 PM
FYS

"S"?   Surely not "CBS".

Slak's the only OLTHATER round these parts, Stew.  The rest of us (you included, I feel sure) worship the bloke.

My hate is going inspire his run to the Silver Slugger.

FYS
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Bort on April 04, 2014, 04:39:59 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 03, 2014, 03:53:08 PM
Quote from: Tonker on April 03, 2014, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: CBStew on April 03, 2014, 02:54:26 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 03, 2014, 12:31:14 PM
FYS

"S"?   Surely not "CBS".

Slak's the only OLTHATER round these parts, Stew.  The rest of us (you included, I feel sure) worship the bloke.

My hate is going inspire his run to the Silver Slugger.

Pretty much the only successes the Cubs have are based entirely on our irrational hate of certain Snorks players.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Slaky on April 04, 2014, 09:24:03 AM
Quote from: Bort on April 04, 2014, 04:39:59 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 03, 2014, 03:53:08 PM
Quote from: Tonker on April 03, 2014, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: CBStew on April 03, 2014, 02:54:26 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 03, 2014, 12:31:14 PM
FYS

"S"?   Surely not "CBS".

Slak's the only OLTHATER round these parts, Stew.  The rest of us (you included, I feel sure) worship the bloke.

My hate is going inspire his run to the Silver Slugger.

Pretty much the only successes the Cubs have are based entirely on our irrational hate of certain Snorks players.

Hell, Huey willed Dempster to like 2 or 3 really good seasons.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on April 04, 2014, 09:30:23 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 04, 2014, 09:24:03 AM
Quote from: Bort on April 04, 2014, 04:39:59 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 03, 2014, 03:53:08 PM
Quote from: Tonker on April 03, 2014, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: CBStew on April 03, 2014, 02:54:26 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 03, 2014, 12:31:14 PM
FYS

"S"?   Surely not "CBS".

Slak's the only OLTHATER round these parts, Stew.  The rest of us (you included, I feel sure) worship the bloke.

My hate is going inspire his run to the Silver Slugger.

Pretty much the only successes the Cubs have are based entirely on our irrational hate of certain Snorks players.

Hell, Huey willed Dempster to like 2 or 3 really good seasons.

Not to mention...

(http://i.imgur.com/vJ57mBB.jpg)
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: BH on April 04, 2014, 11:16:16 AM
I hope the cubs are trying to trade valbuena soon, if not, I'm confused as to why Renterria is playing him over Olt.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: SKO on April 04, 2014, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: BH on April 04, 2014, 11:16:16 AM
I hope the cubs are trying to trade valbuena soon, if not, I'm confused as to why Renterria is playing him over Olt.

I kind of just assumed they were trying to build up Olt's confidence by batting him only against lefties at first, then easing him in against righties. Given how terrible the last year and half have been for him they might be afraid of him suffering through an early slump if he struggles to catch up against major league right handed pitching to start.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: InternetApex on April 04, 2014, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2014, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: BH on April 04, 2014, 11:16:16 AM
I hope the cubs are trying to trade valbuena soon, if not, I'm confused as to why Renterria is playing him over Olt.

I kind of just assumed they were trying to build up Olt's confidence by batting him only against lefties at first, then easing him in against righties. Given how terrible the last year and half have been for him they might be afraid of him suffering through an early slump if he struggles to catch up against major league right handed pitching to start.

I hope people read what you wrote here, process it, and nod their head in agreement like I just did.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Tonker on April 04, 2014, 12:40:19 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 04, 2014, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2014, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: BH on April 04, 2014, 11:16:16 AM
I hope the cubs are trying to trade valbuena soon, if not, I'm confused as to why Renterria is playing him over Olt.

I kind of just assumed they were trying to build up Olt's confidence by batting him only against lefties at first, then easing him in against righties. Given how terrible the last year and half have been for him they might be afraid of him suffering through an early slump if he struggles to catch up against major league right handed pitching to start.

I hope people read what you wrote here, process it, and nod their head in agreement like I just did.

I was just about to write something about how Valbuena isn't terrible, and then thought I'd take a look at the stats first.  Holy shit: it shows how much attention I paid to the second half last year.  Valbuena IS fucking terrible.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: R-V on April 04, 2014, 12:56:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2014, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: BH on April 04, 2014, 11:16:16 AM
I hope the cubs are trying to trade valbuena soon, if not, I'm confused as to why Renterria is playing him over Olt.

I kind of just assumed they were trying to build up Olt's confidence by batting him only against lefties at first, then easing him in against righties. Given how terrible the last year and half have been for him they might be afraid of him suffering through an early slump if he struggles to catch up against major league right handed pitching to start.

That, and taking it easy on the shoulder, per Dick Renter E. Ah (https://twitter.com/ESPNChiCubs/status/452105753197699072).

Quote from: The Other Dumb RogersRenteria says he still wants to ease Olt in there for now . Maybe take it easy on shoulder. Sighted slick conditions.

Rick's got quite a set of eyes on him, sighting field conditions from the press room.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Quality Start Machine on April 04, 2014, 02:44:44 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 04, 2014, 12:56:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2014, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: BH on April 04, 2014, 11:16:16 AM
I hope the cubs are trying to trade valbuena soon, if not, I'm confused as to why Renterria is playing him over Olt.

I kind of just assumed they were trying to build up Olt's confidence by batting him only against lefties at first, then easing him in against righties. Given how terrible the last year and half have been for him they might be afraid of him suffering through an early slump if he struggles to catch up against major league right handed pitching to start.

That, and taking it easy on the shoulder, per Dick Renter E. Ah (https://twitter.com/ESPNChiCubs/status/452105753197699072).

Quote from: The Other Dumb RogersRenteria says he still wants to ease Olt in there for now . Maybe take it easy on shoulder. Sighted slick conditions.

Rick's got quite a set of eyes on him, sighting field conditions from the press room.

Renteria mows my lawn.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Slaky on April 05, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 04, 2014, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2014, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: BH on April 04, 2014, 11:16:16 AM
I hope the cubs are trying to trade valbuena soon, if not, I'm confused as to why Renterria is playing him over Olt.

I kind of just assumed they were trying to build up Olt's confidence by batting him only against lefties at first, then easing him in against righties. Given how terrible the last year and half have been for him they might be afraid of him suffering through an early slump if he struggles to catch up against major league right handed pitching to start.

I hope people read what you wrote here, process it, and nod their head in agreement like I just did.

I did. Because it's correct.

Olt's not going to play every day. And if he did he wouldn't single handedly make this lineup good.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on April 07, 2014, 04:47:38 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 05, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 04, 2014, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2014, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: BH on April 04, 2014, 11:16:16 AM
I hope the cubs are trying to trade valbuena soon, if not, I'm confused as to why Renterria is playing him over Olt.

I kind of just assumed they were trying to build up Olt's confidence by batting him only against lefties at first, then easing him in against righties. Given how terrible the last year and half have been for him they might be afraid of him suffering through an early slump if he struggles to catch up against major league right handed pitching to start.

I hope people read what you wrote here, process it, and nod their head in agreement like I just did.

I did. Because it's correct.

Olt's not going to play every day. And if he did he wouldn't single handedly make this lineup good.

Agreed.  Right now, he's not even hitting lefties.  I think he'll be fine but--though I was initially as annoyed as BH-- I don't think there's any harm in easing him in.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on April 07, 2014, 10:50:36 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 07, 2014, 04:47:38 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 05, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 04, 2014, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2014, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: BH on April 04, 2014, 11:16:16 AM
I hope the cubs are trying to trade valbuena soon, if not, I'm confused as to why Renterria is playing him over Olt.

I kind of just assumed they were trying to build up Olt's confidence by batting him only against lefties at first, then easing him in against righties. Given how terrible the last year and half have been for him they might be afraid of him suffering through an early slump if he struggles to catch up against major league right handed pitching to start.

I hope people read what you wrote here, process it, and nod their head in agreement like I just did.

I did. Because it's correct.

Olt's not going to play every day. And if he did he wouldn't single handedly make this lineup good.

Agreed.  Right now, he's not even hitting lefties.  I think he'll be fine but--though I was initially as annoyed as BH-- I don't think there's any harm in easing him in.

Well, let me play the part of the dumb guy like always. Why not play Olt most days? This is how I sees it--Olt is essentially losing AB's to Barney, right? I think the better lineup would be to play Olt at third, and have this kind of triumvirate of evil in Bonerfacio, Ruggiano and Valbuena tackling CF/2B depending on the pitcher.

Against RHP, Bonerfacio at CF, Valbuena at 2B; against LHP, Bonerfacio at 2B and Ruggiano in CF. Or does that accomplish anything because Ruggiano is still kinda hurt and not that great? I don't know...obviously.












MY COLT!
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on April 07, 2014, 11:16:30 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 07, 2014, 10:50:36 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 07, 2014, 04:47:38 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 05, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 04, 2014, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2014, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: BH on April 04, 2014, 11:16:16 AM
I hope the cubs are trying to trade valbuena soon, if not, I'm confused as to why Renterria is playing him over Olt.

I kind of just assumed they were trying to build up Olt's confidence by batting him only against lefties at first, then easing him in against righties. Given how terrible the last year and half have been for him they might be afraid of him suffering through an early slump if he struggles to catch up against major league right handed pitching to start.

I hope people read what you wrote here, process it, and nod their head in agreement like I just did.

I did. Because it's correct.

Olt's not going to play every day. And if he did he wouldn't single handedly make this lineup good.

Agreed.  Right now, he's not even hitting lefties.  I think he'll be fine but--though I was initially as annoyed as BH-- I don't think there's any harm in easing him in.

Well, let me play the part of the dumb guy like always. Why not play Olt most days? This is how I sees it--Olt is essentially losing AB's to Barney, right? I think the better lineup would be to play Olt at third, and have this kind of triumvirate of evil in Bonerfacio, Ruggiano and Valbuena tackling CF/2B depending on the pitcher.

Against RHP, Bonerfacio at CF, Valbuena at 2B; against LHP, Bonerfacio at 2B and Ruggiano in CF. Or does that accomplish anything because Ruggiano is still kinda hurt and not that great? I don't know...obviously.

I think the idea is that, because Olt is overmatched against LHP, it might be a good idea to ease him into it for his own sake. It shouldn't be about "the better lineup" on any given day. It should be about a) what's best for the players' development and b) what's best in terms of setting up Oopstink to make trades towards more/stiffer futureboners.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: PenFoe on April 07, 2014, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 07, 2014, 11:16:30 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 07, 2014, 10:50:36 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 07, 2014, 04:47:38 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 05, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 04, 2014, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2014, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: BH on April 04, 2014, 11:16:16 AM
I hope the cubs are trying to trade valbuena soon, if not, I'm confused as to why Renterria is playing him over Olt.

I kind of just assumed they were trying to build up Olt's confidence by batting him only against lefties at first, then easing him in against righties. Given how terrible the last year and half have been for him they might be afraid of him suffering through an early slump if he struggles to catch up against major league right handed pitching to start.

I hope people read what you wrote here, process it, and nod their head in agreement like I just did.

I did. Because it's correct.

Olt's not going to play every day. And if he did he wouldn't single handedly make this lineup good.

Agreed.  Right now, he's not even hitting lefties.  I think he'll be fine but--though I was initially as annoyed as BH-- I don't think there's any harm in easing him in.

Well, let me play the part of the dumb guy like always. Why not play Olt most days? This is how I sees it--Olt is essentially losing AB's to Barney, right? I think the better lineup would be to play Olt at third, and have this kind of triumvirate of evil in Bonerfacio, Ruggiano and Valbuena tackling CF/2B depending on the pitcher.

Against RHP, Bonerfacio at CF, Valbuena at 2B; against LHP, Bonerfacio at 2B and Ruggiano in CF. Or does that accomplish anything because Ruggiano is still kinda hurt and not that great? I don't know...obviously.

I think the idea is that, because Olt is overmatched against LHP, it might be a good idea to ease him into it for his own sake. It shouldn't be about "the better lineup" on any given day. It should be about a) what's best for the players' development and b) what's best in terms of setting up Oopstink to make trades towards more/stiffer futureboners.

IAN - the last guy who wasn't focused on player development got fired.

(http://www.weei.com/sites/default/files/pictures/061412_sveum.jpg)
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Tonker on April 07, 2014, 11:27:32 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 07, 2014, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 07, 2014, 11:16:30 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 07, 2014, 10:50:36 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 07, 2014, 04:47:38 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 05, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 04, 2014, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2014, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: BH on April 04, 2014, 11:16:16 AM
I hope the cubs are trying to trade valbuena soon, if not, I'm confused as to why Renterria is playing him over Olt.

I kind of just assumed they were trying to build up Olt's confidence by batting him only against lefties at first, then easing him in against righties. Given how terrible the last year and half have been for him they might be afraid of him suffering through an early slump if he struggles to catch up against major league right handed pitching to start.

I hope people read what you wrote here, process it, and nod their head in agreement like I just did.

I did. Because it's correct.

Olt's not going to play every day. And if he did he wouldn't single handedly make this lineup good.

Agreed.  Right now, he's not even hitting lefties.  I think he'll be fine but--though I was initially as annoyed as BH-- I don't think there's any harm in easing him in.

Well, let me play the part of the dumb guy like always. Why not play Olt most days? This is how I sees it--Olt is essentially losing AB's to Barney, right? I think the better lineup would be to play Olt at third, and have this kind of triumvirate of evil in Bonerfacio, Ruggiano and Valbuena tackling CF/2B depending on the pitcher.

Against RHP, Bonerfacio at CF, Valbuena at 2B; against LHP, Bonerfacio at 2B and Ruggiano in CF. Or does that accomplish anything because Ruggiano is still kinda hurt and not that great? I don't know...obviously.

I think the idea is that, because Olt is overmatched against LHP, it might be a good idea to ease him into it for his own sake. It shouldn't be about "the better lineup" on any given day. It should be about a) what's best for the players' development and b) what's best in terms of setting up Oopstink to make trades towards more/stiffer futureboners.

IAN - the last guy who wasn't focused on player development got fired.

(http://www.weei.com/sites/default/files/pictures/061412_sveum.jpg)

Good job you added the picture, because I had no idea who you were talking about.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on April 07, 2014, 11:28:52 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 07, 2014, 11:16:30 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 07, 2014, 10:50:36 AM
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I hope the cubs are trying to trade valbuena soon, if not, I'm confused as to why Renterria is playing him over Olt.

I kind of just assumed they were trying to build up Olt's confidence by batting him only against lefties at first, then easing him in against righties. Given how terrible the last year and half have been for him they might be afraid of him suffering through an early slump if he struggles to catch up against major league right handed pitching to start.

I hope people read what you wrote here, process it, and nod their head in agreement like I just did.

I did. Because it's correct.

Olt's not going to play every day. And if he did he wouldn't single handedly make this lineup good.

Agreed.  Right now, he's not even hitting lefties.  I think he'll be fine but--though I was initially as annoyed as BH-- I don't think there's any harm in easing him in.

Well, let me play the part of the dumb guy like always. Why not play Olt most days? This is how I sees it--Olt is essentially losing AB's to Barney, right? I think the better lineup would be to play Olt at third, and have this kind of triumvirate of evil in Bonerfacio, Ruggiano and Valbuena tackling CF/2B depending on the pitcher.

Against RHP, Bonerfacio at CF, Valbuena at 2B; against LHP, Bonerfacio at 2B and Ruggiano in CF. Or does that accomplish anything because Ruggiano is still kinda hurt and not that great? I don't know...obviously.

I think the idea is that, because Olt is overmatched against LHP, it might be a good idea to ease him into it for his own sake. It shouldn't be about "the better lineup" on any given day. It should be about a) what's best for the players' development and b) what's best in terms of setting up Oopstink to make trades towards more/stiffer futureboners.

I'm all for what's better for his development, but I kind of don't agree that sitting half the time is better for him. Is it totally out of this world to think that the more pitchers he sees the more he learns?
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Quality Start Machine on April 07, 2014, 11:31:31 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 07, 2014, 11:28:52 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 07, 2014, 11:16:30 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 07, 2014, 10:50:36 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 07, 2014, 04:47:38 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 05, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 04, 2014, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2014, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: BH on April 04, 2014, 11:16:16 AM
I hope the cubs are trying to trade valbuena soon, if not, I'm confused as to why Renterria is playing him over Olt.

I kind of just assumed they were trying to build up Olt's confidence by batting him only against lefties at first, then easing him in against righties. Given how terrible the last year and half have been for him they might be afraid of him suffering through an early slump if he struggles to catch up against major league right handed pitching to start.

I hope people read what you wrote here, process it, and nod their head in agreement like I just did.

I did. Because it's correct.

Olt's not going to play every day. And if he did he wouldn't single handedly make this lineup good.

Agreed.  Right now, he's not even hitting lefties.  I think he'll be fine but--though I was initially as annoyed as BH-- I don't think there's any harm in easing him in.

Well, let me play the part of the dumb guy like always. Why not play Olt most days? This is how I sees it--Olt is essentially losing AB's to Barney, right? I think the better lineup would be to play Olt at third, and have this kind of triumvirate of evil in Bonerfacio, Ruggiano and Valbuena tackling CF/2B depending on the pitcher.

Against RHP, Bonerfacio at CF, Valbuena at 2B; against LHP, Bonerfacio at 2B and Ruggiano in CF. Or does that accomplish anything because Ruggiano is still kinda hurt and not that great? I don't know...obviously.

I think the idea is that, because Olt is overmatched against LHP, it might be a good idea to ease him into it for his own sake. It shouldn't be about "the better lineup" on any given day. It should be about a) what's best for the players' development and b) what's best in terms of setting up Oopstink to make trades towards more/stiffer futureboners.

I'm all for what's better for his development, but I kind of don't agree that sitting half the time is better for him. Is it totally out of this world to think that the more pitchers he sees the more he learns?

But if he's getting overmatched while his shoulder heals, what development is going to happen? There's no point in worrying about his growth bring stunted after 6 games. If we get to 60 games, it's a different matter.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on April 07, 2014, 11:31:50 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 07, 2014, 11:28:52 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 07, 2014, 11:16:30 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 07, 2014, 10:50:36 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 07, 2014, 04:47:38 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 05, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 04, 2014, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2014, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: BH on April 04, 2014, 11:16:16 AM
I hope the cubs are trying to trade valbuena soon, if not, I'm confused as to why Renterria is playing him over Olt.

I kind of just assumed they were trying to build up Olt's confidence by batting him only against lefties at first, then easing him in against righties. Given how terrible the last year and half have been for him they might be afraid of him suffering through an early slump if he struggles to catch up against major league right handed pitching to start.

I hope people read what you wrote here, process it, and nod their head in agreement like I just did.

I did. Because it's correct.

Olt's not going to play every day. And if he did he wouldn't single handedly make this lineup good.

Agreed.  Right now, he's not even hitting lefties.  I think he'll be fine but--though I was initially as annoyed as BH-- I don't think there's any harm in easing him in.

Well, let me play the part of the dumb guy like always. Why not play Olt most days? This is how I sees it--Olt is essentially losing AB's to Barney, right? I think the better lineup would be to play Olt at third, and have this kind of triumvirate of evil in Bonerfacio, Ruggiano and Valbuena tackling CF/2B depending on the pitcher.

Against RHP, Bonerfacio at CF, Valbuena at 2B; against LHP, Bonerfacio at 2B and Ruggiano in CF. Or does that accomplish anything because Ruggiano is still kinda hurt and not that great? I don't know...obviously.

I think the idea is that, because Olt is overmatched against LHP, it might be a good idea to ease him into it for his own sake. It shouldn't be about "the better lineup" on any given day. It should be about a) what's best for the players' development and b) what's best in terms of setting up Oopstink to make trades towards more/stiffer futureboners.

I'm all for what's better for his development, but I kind of don't agree that sitting half the time is better for him. Is it totally out of this world to think that the more pitchers he sees the more he learns?

6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on April 07, 2014, 11:36:31 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 07, 2014, 11:31:50 AM
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Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 07, 2014, 11:16:30 AM
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Quote from: Slaky on April 05, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
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Quote from: BH on April 04, 2014, 11:16:16 AM
I hope the cubs are trying to trade valbuena soon, if not, I'm confused as to why Renterria is playing him over Olt.

I kind of just assumed they were trying to build up Olt's confidence by batting him only against lefties at first, then easing him in against righties. Given how terrible the last year and half have been for him they might be afraid of him suffering through an early slump if he struggles to catch up against major league right handed pitching to start.

I hope people read what you wrote here, process it, and nod their head in agreement like I just did.

I did. Because it's correct.

Olt's not going to play every day. And if he did he wouldn't single handedly make this lineup good.

Agreed.  Right now, he's not even hitting lefties.  I think he'll be fine but--though I was initially as annoyed as BH-- I don't think there's any harm in easing him in.

Well, let me play the part of the dumb guy like always. Why not play Olt most days? This is how I sees it--Olt is essentially losing AB's to Barney, right? I think the better lineup would be to play Olt at third, and have this kind of triumvirate of evil in Bonerfacio, Ruggiano and Valbuena tackling CF/2B depending on the pitcher.

Against RHP, Bonerfacio at CF, Valbuena at 2B; against LHP, Bonerfacio at 2B and Ruggiano in CF. Or does that accomplish anything because Ruggiano is still kinda hurt and not that great? I don't know...obviously.

I think the idea is that, because Olt is overmatched against LHP, it might be a good idea to ease him into it for his own sake. It shouldn't be about "the better lineup" on any given day. It should be about a) what's best for the players' development and b) what's best in terms of setting up Oopstink to make trades towards more/stiffer futureboners.

I'm all for what's better for his development, but I kind of don't agree that sitting half the time is better for him. Is it totally out of this world to think that the more pitchers he sees the more he learns?

6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season. 6th game of the season.

You got me there.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Saul Goodman on April 07, 2014, 12:13:43 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 07, 2014, 10:50:36 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 07, 2014, 04:47:38 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 05, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 04, 2014, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2014, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: BH on April 04, 2014, 11:16:16 AM
I hope the cubs are trying to trade valbuena soon, if not, I'm confused as to why Renterria is playing him over Olt.

I kind of just assumed they were trying to build up Olt's confidence by batting him only against lefties at first, then easing him in against righties. Given how terrible the last year and half have been for him they might be afraid of him suffering through an early slump if he struggles to catch up against major league right handed pitching to start.

I hope people read what you wrote here, process it, and nod their head in agreement like I just did.

I did. Because it's correct.

Olt's not going to play every day. And if he did he wouldn't single handedly make this lineup good.

Agreed.  Right now, he's not even hitting lefties.  I think he'll be fine but--though I was initially as annoyed as BH-- I don't think there's any harm in easing him in.

Well, let me play the part of the dumb guy like always. Why not play Olt most days? This is how I sees it--Olt is essentially losing AB's to Barney, right? I think the better lineup would be to play Olt at third, and have this kind of triumvirate of evil in Bonerfacio, Ruggiano and Valbuena tackling CF/2B depending on the pitcher.

Against RHP, Bonerfacio at CF, Valbuena at 2B; against LHP, Bonerfacio at 2B and Ruggiano in CF. Or does that accomplish anything because Ruggiano is still kinda hurt and not that great? I don't know...obviously.












MY COLT!

BONERFACE.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Bump for climbing up to .200 while leading a the team in HR and throwing some leather at 3rd this far.

Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.  Valbuena'd be better served in a 2B platoon anyway,

MY COLT!
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Eli on April 22, 2014, 10:04:52 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Bump for climbing up to .200 while leading a the team in HR and throwing some leather at 3rd this far.

Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.  Valbuena'd be better served in a 2B platoon anyway,

MY COLT!

He's basically early-career Mark Reynolds right now. That's not the worst thing, given where he was a year ago.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Tony on April 23, 2014, 12:11:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.

This needs to happen.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Slaky on April 23, 2014, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2014, 12:11:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.

This needs to happen.

Renteria says it's time. Also he's hitting .195
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on April 23, 2014, 08:10:06 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 23, 2014, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2014, 12:11:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.

This needs to happen.

Renteria says it's time. Also he's hitting .195

I know.  He struck out after reaching that lofty mark with the HR.  Still, after a 1-14 start or something like that, I'm glad he didn't  just get buried.  I suppose he can still fall all the way down to .092, but with the power he's demonstrated--which should earn him better pitch selection as time goes on--I think it's more lilely he has a decent run in him to get ALL THE WAY UP to .250 or so and stay around there.  If he can do that and hit 20 HR's in his first year (which he's easily on pace for), it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, like Eli said.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Quality Start Machine on April 23, 2014, 08:46:15 AM
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Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: R-V on April 23, 2014, 09:09:51 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 22, 2014, 10:04:52 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Bump for climbing up to .200 while leading a the team in HR and throwing some leather at 3rd this far.

Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.  Valbuena'd be better served in a 2B platoon anyway,

MY COLT!

He's basically early-career Mark Reynolds right now. That's not the worst thing, given where he was a year ago.

Speaking of player comps, it's still very early but Rizzo's plate approach has been great this year. I'd take Joey Votto with a bit less power, who is the guy he's sitting next to in the 1B WAR rankings (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=1b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0) at the moment. Side question - why are basically all 1B on the Fangraphs leaderboard showing negative defensive WAR at the moment? Some early season oddity of how that is calculated?
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Quality Start Machine on April 23, 2014, 09:39:49 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 23, 2014, 09:09:51 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 22, 2014, 10:04:52 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Bump for climbing up to .200 while leading a the team in HR and throwing some leather at 3rd this far.

Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.  Valbuena'd be better served in a 2B platoon anyway,

MY COLT!

He's basically early-career Mark Reynolds right now. That's not the worst thing, given where he was a year ago.

Speaking of player comps, it's still very early but Rizzo's plate approach has been great this year. I'd take Joey Votto with a bit less power, who is the guy he's sitting next to in the 1B WAR rankings (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=1b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0) at the moment. Side question - why are basically all 1B on the Fangraphs leaderboard showing negative defensive WAR at the moment? Some early season oddity of how that is calculated?

If he keeps getting ahead in counts, he'll see more fastballs and his power numbers should climb.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Eli on April 23, 2014, 10:02:18 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 23, 2014, 09:39:49 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 23, 2014, 09:09:51 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 22, 2014, 10:04:52 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Bump for climbing up to .200 while leading a the team in HR and throwing some leather at 3rd this far.

Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.  Valbuena'd be better served in a 2B platoon anyway,

MY COLT!

He's basically early-career Mark Reynolds right now. That's not the worst thing, given where he was a year ago.

Speaking of player comps, it's still very early but Rizzo's plate approach has been great this year. I'd take Joey Votto with a bit less power, who is the guy he's sitting next to in the 1B WAR rankings (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=1b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0) at the moment. Side question - why are basically all 1B on the Fangraphs leaderboard showing negative defensive WAR at the moment? Some early season oddity of how that is calculated?

If he keeps getting ahead in counts, he'll see more fastballs and his power numbers should climb.

Also, if Rizzo can establish the run, he should have more success with the play-action pass.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on April 23, 2014, 10:02:57 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 23, 2014, 09:09:51 AM
Side question - why are basically all 1B on the Fangraphs leaderboard showing negative defensive WAR at the moment? Some early season oddity of how that is calculated?

It appears that Fangraphs rolls the positional adjustment into the defensive component of WAR (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/explaining-win-values-part-three/) rather than the offensive, to better allow us to compare players' defending on an absolute scale.

You can sort of see this on the defensive stats page (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=1b&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=25,d) by comparing to UZR column to Def. I believe that UZR is the entire basis for Def but, while the baseline for the former is the average player at a particular position, the latter tries to represent defensive value relative to all defenders, regardless of position.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: InternetApex on April 23, 2014, 10:06:29 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2014, 10:02:18 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 23, 2014, 09:39:49 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 23, 2014, 09:09:51 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 22, 2014, 10:04:52 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Bump for climbing up to .200 while leading a the team in HR and throwing some leather at 3rd this far.

Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.  Valbuena'd be better served in a 2B platoon anyway,

MY COLT!

He's basically early-career Mark Reynolds right now. That's not the worst thing, given where he was a year ago.

Speaking of player comps, it's still very early but Rizzo's plate approach has been great this year. I'd take Joey Votto with a bit less power, who is the guy he's sitting next to in the 1B WAR rankings (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=1b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0) at the moment. Side question - why are basically all 1B on the Fangraphs leaderboard showing negative defensive WAR at the moment? Some early season oddity of how that is calculated?

If he keeps getting ahead in counts, he'll see more fastballs and his power numbers should climb.

Also, if Rizzo can establish the run, he should have more success with the play-action pass.

Boom. Pimp it a little and touch 'em all.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Tonker on April 23, 2014, 10:10:19 AM
Fuck Joey Votto.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on April 23, 2014, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 23, 2014, 10:02:57 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 23, 2014, 09:09:51 AM
Side question - why are basically all 1B on the Fangraphs leaderboard showing negative defensive WAR at the moment? Some early season oddity of how that is calculated?

It appears that Fangraphs rolls the positional adjustment into the defensive component of WAR (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/explaining-win-values-part-three/) rather than the offensive, to better allow us to compare players' defending on an absolute scale.

You can sort of see this on the defensive stats page (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=1b&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=25,d) by comparing to UZR column to Def. I believe that UZR is the entire basis for Def but, while the baseline for the former is the average player at a particular position, the latter tries to represent defensive value relative to all defenders, regardless of position.

Here (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/introducing-fangraphs-stats-offense-and-defense/):

Quote...Prior to this rollout, we listed "Fld" as our primary defensive rating on both the dashboard and the fielding section, which solely rated players relative to average at their specific positions, but that treats all positions as if they are equal in value, which is clearly not true. Pretty much every shortstop is a better defender than every first baseman, even the ones with negative ratings at SS compared to the guys with positive ratings at 1B. But, with the Fld metric, this wasn't always obvious, and it led to people using a metric that rates players at their position as if that was their standing in the league overall.

By adding the positional adjustment into the fielding rating to create Defense, we're now presenting a much better view of who the best defenders actually are. Catchers get a big boost here as well, as they have the largest positional adjustment of any spot on the field, and this better recognizes their contributions, even if they aren't necessarily rated dramatically higher than other catchers. Just being a catcher has a lot of value, and this helps display that value more correctly.

...

This also helps level the playing field for guys who shift between positions. Utility players who spend parts of their season at multiple positions, or even regulars who bounce around between spots like Ben Zobrist, do not have their defensive performance easily described by a single UZR rating. If a guy plays five positions and has a +5 UZR, you don't really know what that +5 is relative to. Now, with the fielding component added in, you know that the baseline is an average defender across all positions.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2014, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 23, 2014, 08:10:06 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 23, 2014, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2014, 12:11:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.

This needs to happen.

Renteria says it's time. Also he's hitting .195

I know.  He struck out after reaching that lofty mark with the HR.  Still, after a 1-14 start or something like that, I'm glad he didn't  just get buried.  I suppose he can still fall all the way down to .092, but with the power he's demonstrated--which should earn him better pitch selection as time goes on--I think it's more lilely he has a decent run in him to get ALL THE WAY UP to .250 or so and stay around there.  If he can do that and hit 20 HR's in his first year (which he's easily on pace for), it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, like Eli said.

Two of Olt's HR's are to the opposite field. I've not seen many of his starts or AB's, but of the ones I have seen where he gets a hit he's perfectly content with hitting the ball where it's pitched.

To a guy on the internet like me, that's something...um...not awful?
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Quality Start Machine on April 23, 2014, 10:25:49 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2014, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 23, 2014, 08:10:06 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 23, 2014, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2014, 12:11:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.

This needs to happen.

Renteria says it's time. Also he's hitting .195

I know.  He struck out after reaching that lofty mark with the HR.  Still, after a 1-14 start or something like that, I'm glad he didn't  just get buried.  I suppose he can still fall all the way down to .092, but with the power he's demonstrated--which should earn him better pitch selection as time goes on--I think it's more lilely he has a decent run in him to get ALL THE WAY UP to .250 or so and stay around there.  If he can do that and hit 20 HR's in his first year (which he's easily on pace for), it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, like Eli said.

Two of Olt's HR's are to the opposite field. I've not seen many of his starts or AB's, but of the ones I have seen where he gets a hit he's perfectly content with hitting the ball where it's pitched.

To a guy on the internet like me, that's something...um...not awful?

Most power hitters don't have the "I can hit the ball out of any part of the park" epiphany this young. Not awful at all.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on April 23, 2014, 10:46:37 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 23, 2014, 10:25:49 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2014, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 23, 2014, 08:10:06 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 23, 2014, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2014, 12:11:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.

This needs to happen.

Renteria says it's time. Also he's hitting .195

I know.  He struck out after reaching that lofty mark with the HR.  Still, after a 1-14 start or something like that, I'm glad he didn't  just get buried.  I suppose he can still fall all the way down to .092, but with the power he's demonstrated--which should earn him better pitch selection as time goes on--I think it's more lilely he has a decent run in him to get ALL THE WAY UP to .250 or so and stay around there.  If he can do that and hit 20 HR's in his first year (which he's easily on pace for), it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, like Eli said.

Two of Olt's HR's are to the opposite field. I've not seen many of his starts or AB's, but of the ones I have seen where he gets a hit he's perfectly content with hitting the ball where it's pitched.

To a guy on the internet like me, that's something...um...not awful?

Most power hitters don't have the "I can hit the ball out of any part of the park" epiphany this young. Not awful at all.

He's almost 26.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Bort on April 23, 2014, 07:09:56 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 23, 2014, 10:46:37 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 23, 2014, 10:25:49 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2014, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 23, 2014, 08:10:06 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 23, 2014, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2014, 12:11:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.

This needs to happen.

Renteria says it's time. Also he's hitting .195

I know.  He struck out after reaching that lofty mark with the HR.  Still, after a 1-14 start or something like that, I'm glad he didn't  just get buried.  I suppose he can still fall all the way down to .092, but with the power he's demonstrated--which should earn him better pitch selection as time goes on--I think it's more lilely he has a decent run in him to get ALL THE WAY UP to .250 or so and stay around there.  If he can do that and hit 20 HR's in his first year (which he's easily on pace for), it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, like Eli said.

Two of Olt's HR's are to the opposite field. I've not seen many of his starts or AB's, but of the ones I have seen where he gets a hit he's perfectly content with hitting the ball where it's pitched.

To a guy on the internet like me, that's something...um...not awful?

Most power hitters don't have the "I can hit the ball out of any part of the park" epiphany this young. Not awful at all.

He's almost 26.

It's young to Fork.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Tonker on April 24, 2014, 01:04:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 23, 2014, 10:25:49 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2014, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 23, 2014, 08:10:06 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 23, 2014, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2014, 12:11:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.

This needs to happen.

Renteria says it's time. Also he's hitting .195

I know.  He struck out after reaching that lofty mark with the HR.  Still, after a 1-14 start or something like that, I'm glad he didn't  just get buried.  I suppose he can still fall all the way down to .092, but with the power he's demonstrated--which should earn him better pitch selection as time goes on--I think it's more lilely he has a decent run in him to get ALL THE WAY UP to .250 or so and stay around there.  If he can do that and hit 20 HR's in his first year (which he's easily on pace for), it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, like Eli said.

Two of Olt's HR's are to the opposite field. I've not seen many of his starts or AB's, but of the ones I have seen where he gets a hit he's perfectly content with hitting the ball where it's pitched.

To a guy on the internet like me, that's something...um...not awful?

Most power hitters don't have the "I can hit the ball out of any part of the park" epiphany this young. Not awful at all.

Two HRs to the opposite field is hardly an epiphany, either.  He might just have been a little late on those two pitches.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: InternetApex on April 24, 2014, 08:30:59 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 24, 2014, 01:04:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 23, 2014, 10:25:49 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2014, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 23, 2014, 08:10:06 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 23, 2014, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2014, 12:11:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.

This needs to happen.

Renteria says it's time. Also he's hitting .195

I know.  He struck out after reaching that lofty mark with the HR.  Still, after a 1-14 start or something like that, I'm glad he didn't  just get buried.  I suppose he can still fall all the way down to .092, but with the power he's demonstrated--which should earn him better pitch selection as time goes on--I think it's more lilely he has a decent run in him to get ALL THE WAY UP to .250 or so and stay around there.  If he can do that and hit 20 HR's in his first year (which he's easily on pace for), it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, like Eli said.

Two of Olt's HR's are to the opposite field. I've not seen many of his starts or AB's, but of the ones I have seen where he gets a hit he's perfectly content with hitting the ball where it's pitched.

To a guy on the internet like me, that's something...um...not awful?

Most power hitters don't have the "I can hit the ball out of any part of the park" epiphany this young. Not awful at all.

Two HRs to the opposite field is hardly an epiphany, either.  He might just have been a little late on those two pitches.

And the wind might have been blowing out and he might have been using an aluminum bat.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Bort on April 24, 2014, 08:44:05 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 24, 2014, 08:30:59 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 24, 2014, 01:04:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 23, 2014, 10:25:49 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2014, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 23, 2014, 08:10:06 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 23, 2014, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2014, 12:11:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.

This needs to happen.

Renteria says it's time. Also he's hitting .195

I know.  He struck out after reaching that lofty mark with the HR.  Still, after a 1-14 start or something like that, I'm glad he didn't  just get buried.  I suppose he can still fall all the way down to .092, but with the power he's demonstrated--which should earn him better pitch selection as time goes on--I think it's more lilely he has a decent run in him to get ALL THE WAY UP to .250 or so and stay around there.  If he can do that and hit 20 HR's in his first year (which he's easily on pace for), it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, like Eli said.

Two of Olt's HR's are to the opposite field. I've not seen many of his starts or AB's, but of the ones I have seen where he gets a hit he's perfectly content with hitting the ball where it's pitched.

To a guy on the internet like me, that's something...um...not awful?

Most power hitters don't have the "I can hit the ball out of any part of the park" epiphany this young. Not awful at all.

Two HRs to the opposite field is hardly an epiphany, either.  He might just have been a little late on those two pitches.

And the wind might have been blowing out and he might have been using an aluminum bat.

And he might have secretly been a shaved gorilla.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Saul Goodman on April 24, 2014, 12:36:26 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 24, 2014, 08:44:05 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 24, 2014, 08:30:59 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 24, 2014, 01:04:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 23, 2014, 10:25:49 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2014, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 23, 2014, 08:10:06 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 23, 2014, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2014, 12:11:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.

This needs to happen.

Renteria says it's time. Also he's hitting .195

I know.  He struck out after reaching that lofty mark with the HR.  Still, after a 1-14 start or something like that, I'm glad he didn't  just get buried.  I suppose he can still fall all the way down to .092, but with the power he's demonstrated--which should earn him better pitch selection as time goes on--I think it's more lilely he has a decent run in him to get ALL THE WAY UP to .250 or so and stay around there.  If he can do that and hit 20 HR's in his first year (which he's easily on pace for), it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, like Eli said.

Two of Olt's HR's are to the opposite field. I've not seen many of his starts or AB's, but of the ones I have seen where he gets a hit he's perfectly content with hitting the ball where it's pitched.

To a guy on the internet like me, that's something...um...not awful?

Most power hitters don't have the "I can hit the ball out of any part of the park" epiphany this young. Not awful at all.

Two HRs to the opposite field is hardly an epiphany, either.  He might just have been a little late on those two pitches.

And the wind might have been blowing out and he might have been using an aluminum bat.

And he might have secretly been a shaved gorilla.

And he might have been facing Jose Veras in some kind of false flag operation.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on April 25, 2014, 09:41:04 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 24, 2014, 01:04:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 23, 2014, 10:25:49 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2014, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 23, 2014, 08:10:06 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 23, 2014, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2014, 12:11:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.

This needs to happen.

Renteria says it's time. Also he's hitting .195

I know.  He struck out after reaching that lofty mark with the HR.  Still, after a 1-14 start or something like that, I'm glad he didn't  just get buried.  I suppose he can still fall all the way down to .092, but with the power he's demonstrated--which should earn him better pitch selection as time goes on--I think it's more lilely he has a decent run in him to get ALL THE WAY UP to .250 or so and stay around there.  If he can do that and hit 20 HR's in his first year (which he's easily on pace for), it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, like Eli said.

Two of Olt's HR's are to the opposite field. I've not seen many of his starts or AB's, but of the ones I have seen where he gets a hit he's perfectly content with hitting the ball where it's pitched.

To a guy on the internet like me, that's something...um...not awful?

Most power hitters don't have the "I can hit the ball out of any part of the park" epiphany this young. Not awful at all.

Two HRs to the opposite field is hardly an epiphany, either.  He might just have been a little late on those two pitches.

The one in Pittsburgh was way less convincing than the one he hit at Wrigley. The one at Wrigley he looked like he knew what he was doing.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Slaky on April 25, 2014, 11:02:16 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 25, 2014, 09:41:04 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 24, 2014, 01:04:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 23, 2014, 10:25:49 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2014, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 23, 2014, 08:10:06 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 23, 2014, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2014, 12:11:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.

This needs to happen.

Renteria says it's time. Also he's hitting .195

I know.  He struck out after reaching that lofty mark with the HR.  Still, after a 1-14 start or something like that, I'm glad he didn't  just get buried.  I suppose he can still fall all the way down to .092, but with the power he's demonstrated--which should earn him better pitch selection as time goes on--I think it's more lilely he has a decent run in him to get ALL THE WAY UP to .250 or so and stay around there.  If he can do that and hit 20 HR's in his first year (which he's easily on pace for), it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, like Eli said.

Two of Olt's HR's are to the opposite field. I've not seen many of his starts or AB's, but of the ones I have seen where he gets a hit he's perfectly content with hitting the ball where it's pitched.

To a guy on the internet like me, that's something...um...not awful?

Most power hitters don't have the "I can hit the ball out of any part of the park" epiphany this young. Not awful at all.

Two HRs to the opposite field is hardly an epiphany, either.  He might just have been a little late on those two pitches.

The one in Pittsburgh was way less convincing than the one he hit at Wrigley. The one at Wrigley he looked like he knew what he was doing.

He's a fucking pro baseball player of course he knows what he's doing.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on April 25, 2014, 12:25:54 PM
Quote from: Slaky on April 25, 2014, 11:02:16 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 25, 2014, 09:41:04 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 24, 2014, 01:04:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 23, 2014, 10:25:49 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2014, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 23, 2014, 08:10:06 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 23, 2014, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2014, 12:11:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.

This needs to happen.

Renteria says it's time. Also he's hitting .195

I know.  He struck out after reaching that lofty mark with the HR.  Still, after a 1-14 start or something like that, I'm glad he didn't  just get buried.  I suppose he can still fall all the way down to .092, but with the power he's demonstrated--which should earn him better pitch selection as time goes on--I think it's more lilely he has a decent run in him to get ALL THE WAY UP to .250 or so and stay around there.  If he can do that and hit 20 HR's in his first year (which he's easily on pace for), it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, like Eli said.

Two of Olt's HR's are to the opposite field. I've not seen many of his starts or AB's, but of the ones I have seen where he gets a hit he's perfectly content with hitting the ball where it's pitched.

To a guy on the internet like me, that's something...um...not awful?

Most power hitters don't have the "I can hit the ball out of any part of the park" epiphany this young. Not awful at all.

Two HRs to the opposite field is hardly an epiphany, either.  He might just have been a little late on those two pitches.

The one in Pittsburgh was way less convincing than the one he hit at Wrigley. The one at Wrigley he looked like he knew what he was doing.

He's a fucking pro baseball player of course he knows what he's doing.

Well, he IS a Cub.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: BBM on April 26, 2014, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 24, 2014, 08:44:05 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 24, 2014, 08:30:59 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 24, 2014, 01:04:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 23, 2014, 10:25:49 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2014, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 23, 2014, 08:10:06 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 23, 2014, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2014, 12:11:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Might as we'll take the reins off, let him play everyday now.

This needs to happen.

Renteria says it's time. Also he's hitting .195

I know.  He struck out after reaching that lofty mark with the HR.  Still, after a 1-14 start or something like that, I'm glad he didn't  just get buried.  I suppose he can still fall all the way down to .092, but with the power he's demonstrated--which should earn him better pitch selection as time goes on--I think it's more lilely he has a decent run in him to get ALL THE WAY UP to .250 or so and stay around there.  If he can do that and hit 20 HR's in his first year (which he's easily on pace for), it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, like Eli said.

Two of Olt's HR's are to the opposite field. I've not seen many of his starts or AB's, but of the ones I have seen where he gets a hit he's perfectly content with hitting the ball where it's pitched.

To a guy on the internet like me, that's something...um...not awful?

Most power hitters don't have the "I can hit the ball out of any part of the park" epiphany this young. Not awful at all.

Two HRs to the opposite field is hardly an epiphany, either.  He might just have been a little late on those two pitches.

And the wind might have been blowing out and he might have been using an aluminum bat.

And he might have secretly been a shaved gorilla.

A big dumb gross gorilla?
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Tony on May 01, 2014, 04:29:27 PM
Jesse Rogers recently tweeted that Olt is going to pitcher's counts a lot... near the top of the league in getting behind. Can any of the stat nerds explain why? Does that mean he's being too patient in this new OBP obsessed game?
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: PenFoe on May 01, 2014, 04:31:32 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2014, 04:29:27 PM
Jesse Rogers recently tweeted that Olt is going to pitcher's counts a lot... near the top of the league in getting behind. Can any of the stat nerds explain why? Does that mean he's being too patient in this new OBP obsessed game?

It means he's blind and can't tell the difference between strikes and balls. 

Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: ChuckD on May 01, 2014, 05:28:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 01, 2014, 04:31:32 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2014, 04:29:27 PM
Jesse Rogers recently tweeted that Olt is going to pitcher's counts a lot... near the top of the league in getting behind. Can any of the stat nerds explain why? Does that mean he's being too patient in this new OBP obsessed game?

It means he's blind and can't tell the difference between strikes and balls. 



Strange that he'd pick on Olt. Among guys who've seen at least 100 pitches total this year, Lake actually has seen the highest percentage of pitches (65.7%) with the pitcher ahead across the MLB.

Schierholtz 56.4%
Castillo 54.8%
Olt 50.5%
League average 48.2%
Rizzo 42.8%
Kalish 38.2%
Bonifacio 56.7%
Castro 35.7% (5th lowest in MLB)
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on May 01, 2014, 05:33:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2014, 04:29:27 PM
Jesse Rogers recently tweeted that Olt is going to pitcher's counts a lot... near the top of the league in getting behind. Can any of the stat nerds explain why? Does that mean he's being too patient in this new OBP obsessed game?

He does seem to take the first pitch a lot, and the first pitch almost always seems to be a strike.

He needs to start making more contact this homestand.  I've been pulling for him more than anyone, but I might be out of optimism if he doesn't seize this opportunity soon.  If he could bat 5th and force pitchers to throw to Castro and Rizzo (or make 'em pay if they don't), that would make me feel better about the pending future, but right now he's digging his own grave.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on May 01, 2014, 05:40:03 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 01, 2014, 05:28:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 01, 2014, 04:31:32 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2014, 04:29:27 PM
Jesse Rogers recently tweeted that Olt is going to pitcher's counts a lot... near the top of the league in getting behind. Can any of the stat nerds explain why? Does that mean he's being too patient in this new OBP obsessed game?

It means he's blind and can't tell the difference between strikes and balls. 



Strange that he'd pick on Olt. Among guys who've seen at least 100 pitches total this year, Lake actually has seen the highest percentage of pitches (65.7%) with the pitcher ahead across the MLB.

Schierholtz 56.4%
Castillo 54.8%
Olt 50.5%
League average 48.2%
Rizzo 42.8%
Kalish 38.2%
Bonifacio 56.7%
Castro 35.7% (5th lowest in MLB)

Here's the tweet in question:

https://twitter.com/ESPNChiCubs/status/461694298510360577

QuoteYou want numbers. Here's a reason Olt is struggling. Gone to a pitchers count (0-1,0-2,1-2,2-2) in 56% of PA.League avg is 45%.He's near top

Not as much about singling him out as looking for a stat to help explain his already poor numbers.

My question would be how much noise we should expect in this stat. How repeatable a skill is staying ahead of a pitcher?
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: ChuckD on May 01, 2014, 06:03:09 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 01, 2014, 05:40:03 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 01, 2014, 05:28:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 01, 2014, 04:31:32 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2014, 04:29:27 PM
Jesse Rogers recently tweeted that Olt is going to pitcher's counts a lot... near the top of the league in getting behind. Can any of the stat nerds explain why? Does that mean he's being too patient in this new OBP obsessed game?

It means he's blind and can't tell the difference between strikes and balls. 



Strange that he'd pick on Olt. Among guys who've seen at least 100 pitches total this year, Lake actually has seen the highest percentage of pitches (65.7%) with the pitcher ahead across the MLB.

Schierholtz 56.4%
Castillo 54.8%
Olt 50.5%
League average 48.2%
Rizzo 42.8%
Kalish 38.2%
Bonifacio 56.7%
Castro 35.7% (5th lowest in MLB)

Here's the tweet in question:

https://twitter.com/ESPNChiCubs/status/461694298510360577

QuoteYou want numbers. Here's a reason Olt is struggling. Gone to a pitchers count (0-1,0-2,1-2,2-2) in 56% of PA.League avg is 45%.He's near top

Not as much about singling him out as looking for a stat to help explain his already poor numbers.

My question would be how much noise we should expect in this stat. How repeatable a skill is staying ahead of a pitcher?

I don't know how repeatable it is. He's definitely struggled when behind. He's got a wOBA of about .073 when behind (lg avg is .222) with a BABIP of .167 (lg avg is .297).

Probably part bad luck, part noise, part approach.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on May 01, 2014, 06:31:55 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 01, 2014, 06:03:09 PM
Probably part bad luck, part noise, part approach.

Probably.

Though knowing the relative contributions of each could go some way towards telling us how worrying this should be going forward.

I mean, like with a batter with a low BABIP, if it's something that should be expected to regress to the mean some, that could actually be good-ish news, right?
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Shooter on May 01, 2014, 09:09:15 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 01, 2014, 05:33:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2014, 04:29:27 PM
Jesse Rogers recently tweeted that Olt is going to pitcher's counts a lot... near the top of the league in getting behind. Can any of the stat nerds explain why? Does that mean he's being too patient in this new OBP obsessed game?

He does seem to take the first pitch a lot, and the first pitch almost always seems to be a strike.

He needs to start making more contact this homestand.  I've been pulling for him more than anyone, but I might be out of optimism if he doesn't seize this opportunity soon.  If he could bat 5th and force pitchers to throw to Castro and Rizzo (or make 'em pay if they don't), that would make me feel better about the pending future, but right now he's digging his own grave.

It's fewer than 100 ABs in a season that is going nowhere. They should give him lots of rope. You don't want to totally destroy his confidence if he continues to fail, but they're better off giving him enough chances to find out if he can be useful going forward.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Quality Start Machine on May 02, 2014, 07:57:47 AM
Jesse Rogers is a fucking idiot.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: InternetApex on May 02, 2014, 08:54:00 AM
Quote from: Shooter on May 01, 2014, 09:09:15 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 01, 2014, 05:33:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2014, 04:29:27 PM
Jesse Rogers recently tweeted that Olt is going to pitcher's counts a lot... near the top of the league in getting behind. Can any of the stat nerds explain why? Does that mean he's being too patient in this new OBP obsessed game?

He does seem to take the first pitch a lot, and the first pitch almost always seems to be a strike.

He needs to start making more contact this homestand.  I've been pulling for him more than anyone, but I might be out of optimism if he doesn't seize this opportunity soon.  If he could bat 5th and force pitchers to throw to Castro and Rizzo (or make 'em pay if they don't), that would make me feel better about the pending future, but right now he's digging his own grave.

It's fewer than 100 ABs in a season that is going nowhere. They should give him lots of rope. You don't want to totally destroy his confidence if he continues to fail, but they're better off giving him enough chances to find out if he can be useful going forward.

THI
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on May 06, 2014, 02:28:30 PM
Quote from: Shooter on May 01, 2014, 09:09:15 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 01, 2014, 05:33:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2014, 04:29:27 PM
Jesse Rogers recently tweeted that Olt is going to pitcher's counts a lot... near the top of the league in getting behind. Can any of the stat nerds explain why? Does that mean he's being too patient in this new OBP obsessed game?

He does seem to take the first pitch a lot, and the first pitch almost always seems to be a strike.

He needs to start making more contact this homestand.  I've been pulling for him more than anyone, but I might be out of optimism if he doesn't seize this opportunity soon.  If he could bat 5th and force pitchers to throw to Castro and Rizzo (or make 'em pay if they don't), that would make me feel better about the pending future, but right now he's digging his own grave.

It's fewer than 100 ABs in a season that is going nowhere. They should give him lots of rope. You don't want to totally destroy his confidence if he continues to fail, but they're better off giving him enough chances to find out if he can be useful going forward.

THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: thehawk on May 08, 2014, 10:37:19 PM
MIKE OLT! MIKE OLT! MIKE OLT! MIKE OLT!
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on May 09, 2014, 12:53:26 AM
Quote from: thehawk on May 08, 2014, 10:37:19 PM
MIKE OLT! MIKE OLT! MIKE OLT! MIKE OLT!

SO MUCH MY COLT.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on May 09, 2014, 06:04:14 AM
I'm going to view his at-bat prior to the grand slam as his nadir, and hope to never see those depths again.  The schlub filling in for Chris Sale was on the ropes, and any pitch near the strike zone was getting rocked that inning.  Olt came up with the bases juiced and was ahead 2-0 before popping out.  Christ, even Junior Lake drew a bases loaded walk after that.

But then he came up the next time...

MY COLT! MY COLT! MY COLT!
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on May 09, 2014, 08:19:47 AM
Just gonna come in here and MY COLT!
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Tony on May 09, 2014, 11:13:10 AM
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Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on May 09, 2014, 11:28:39 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 09, 2014, 06:04:14 AM
I'm going to view his at-bat prior to the grand slam as his nadir, and hope to never see those depths again.  The schlub filling in for Chris Sale was on the ropes, and any pitch near the strike zone was getting rocked that inning.  Olt came up with the bases juiced and was ahead 2-0 before popping out.  Christ, even Junior Lake drew a bases loaded walk after that.

A dude behind me last night dubbed him "Babe Olt", saying he saw him call his shot during that AB.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: R-V on May 09, 2014, 12:19:36 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 09, 2014, 11:28:39 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 09, 2014, 06:04:14 AM
I'm going to view his at-bat prior to the grand slam as his nadir, and hope to never see those depths again.  The schlub filling in for Chris Sale was on the ropes, and any pitch near the strike zone was getting rocked that inning.  Olt came up with the bases juiced and was ahead 2-0 before popping out.  Christ, even Junior Lake drew a bases loaded walk after that.

A dude behind me last night dubbed him "Babe Olt", saying he saw him call his shot during that AB.

The weird part this anecdote is that you weren't even at the game.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Quality Start Machine on May 09, 2014, 12:20:58 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 09, 2014, 11:13:10 AM
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Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: PenFoe on May 09, 2014, 12:26:19 PM
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Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on May 09, 2014, 12:27:12 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 09, 2014, 12:26:19 PM
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Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Tony on May 09, 2014, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 09, 2014, 12:27:12 PM
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Thirded, brother.

I've been waiting for him to do something good to bring that one out. It took too damn long.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on May 09, 2014, 12:53:39 PM
The clapping pairs nicely with Allison Brie.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on May 09, 2014, 12:56:24 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 09, 2014, 12:53:39 PM
The clapping pairs nicely with Allison Brie.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on May 09, 2014, 01:13:52 PM
Quote from: R-V on May 09, 2014, 12:19:36 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 09, 2014, 11:28:39 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 09, 2014, 06:04:14 AM
I'm going to view his at-bat prior to the grand slam as his nadir, and hope to never see those depths again.  The schlub filling in for Chris Sale was on the ropes, and any pitch near the strike zone was getting rocked that inning.  Olt came up with the bases juiced and was ahead 2-0 before popping out.  Christ, even Junior Lake drew a bases loaded walk after that.

A dude behind me last night dubbed him "Babe Olt", saying he saw him call his shot during that AB.

The weird part this anecdote is that you weren't even at the game.

You watch a 36-inch standard def TV with the window open, you learn to expect some looky-loos.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Eli on May 09, 2014, 01:17:05 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 09, 2014, 12:56:24 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 09, 2014, 12:53:39 PM
The clapping Everything pairs nicely with Allison Brie.

Further edited.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Bort on May 09, 2014, 01:55:23 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 09, 2014, 12:27:12 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 09, 2014, 12:26:19 PM
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Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2014, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 09, 2014, 12:53:39 PM
The clapping pairs nicely with Allison Brie.

So does BEING INCREDIBLY FAT
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Tony on May 09, 2014, 03:56:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 09, 2014, 01:17:05 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 09, 2014, 12:56:24 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 09, 2014, 12:53:39 PM
The clapping Everything pairs nicely with Allison Brie.

Further edited.

Everything except NBC apparently.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on May 21, 2014, 02:18:56 PM
Can we talk about Olt's batted ball numbers, Mac? I've been dying to talk about Olt's batted ball numbers with you all day.

Namely, that it's a story of extremes...

      BABIP  GB/FB   LD%    GB%    FB%   IFFB%  HR/FB  IFH%  BUH%
Olt   .167   0.72   10.1%  37.7%  52.2%  13.9%  25.0%  3.8%  0.0%
MLB   .298   1.33   20.2%  45.6%  34.2%   9.7%  10.1%  6.3% 27.6%


Among batters with 100+ PA in 2014, Olt ranks 5th in the majors in FB%, 8th in HR/FB and 2nd to last in both BABIP and LD%.

For starters, a 25% HR/FB ratio is pretty ridiculous. That's Barry Bonds territory (25.1% career).

MLB leaders in HR/FB the past five seasons:

2013: Chris Davis 29.6%
2012: Adam Dunn 29.3%
2011: Giancarlo Stanton 24.8%
2010: Joey Votto 25.0%
2009: Mark Reynolds 26.0%

And an FB rate north of 50% is exceptionally high, too. Season leaders:

2013: Brandon Moss 51.8%
2012: Mike Moustakas 49.8%
2011: Alfonso Soriano 51.1%
2010: Aramis Ramirez 56.8%
2009: Carlos Pena 54.1%

Put those together and, by the time Olt puts a ball into play, he's more than 13% of the way toward hitting it out of the park already. That is absolutely staggering. (And no doubt due for regression.)

At the same time, a line drive rate of 10.1% is retarded low. Olt's squared up just 7 total line drives on the season.

For context, the worst full-season LD rates from the past five years:

2013: Dan Uggla 13.2%
2012: Drew Stubbs 14.9%
2011: Vernon Wells 12.3%
2010: Aaron Hill 10.6%
2009: Hunter Pence 14.6%

And, given that, as LD% goes, largely so does BABIP, it stands to reason that his BABIP would be really low, too. And it is. But it's even lower than might be expected from his raw batted ball numbers if this formula (http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/xbabip-spreadsheet/) is anything to go by:

QuotexBABIP = 0.392 + (LD% x 0.287709436) + ((GB% – (GB% * IFH%)) x -0.152 ) + ((FB% – (FB% x HR/FB%) – (FB% x IFFB%)) x -0.188) + ((IFFB% * FB%) x -0.835) + ((IFH% * GB%) x 0.500)

Assuming all my Excel jiggerdypoop is in order, I have Olt at an xBABIP of .253 (versus .167 actual).

Surely Olt's LD rate is ready to regress as well. This time upwards. (Particularly insofar as his retarded high HR rate suggests that his lack of liners doesn't speak to a fundamental power deficit.)

So... Lucky in jimmies, unlucky in love and liners. What's the upshot?

He's hit 26 ground balls, 36 fly balls and 7 line drives this season. Had he put the same number of balls into play but at the league average rates for each batted ball type, he'd instead have 31.5 ground balls, 23.6 fly balls and 13.9 line drives.

Had those 23.6 fly balls left the park at the league average rate instead of his Bonds- or Stanton-esque clip, he'd have just 2.4 homers (versus his team-leading 9).

All else being equal, this would be good for an xBABIP of .312 and, in turn, a batting average of .217 and OBP of .293 (versus .183/.263 actual).

Conclusion? Hell if I know. I'm just some nerd with a laptop.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: R-V on May 21, 2014, 02:48:35 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 21, 2014, 02:18:56 PMPut those together and, by the time Olt puts a ball into play, he's more than 13% of the way toward hitting it out of the park already. That is absolutely staggering.

It's too bad Gil didn't live to see his elegant prose get the respect it deserved.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on May 22, 2014, 05:12:15 AM
Nice work by Thrill.  I'm more confused than I was at the beginning but at LEAST SOMEBODY CARES.

It's a shitty team that, at nearly 1/4 of the season through, is led in homeruns and RBI (*ducks*) by their rookie third baseman.

Would it improve matters for the team (and even more for him) if Olt was batting nearer to the Rizzstro duo or does that not matter at all?  I'm asking for a friend.


Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on May 22, 2014, 08:57:39 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 22, 2014, 05:12:15 AM
It's a shitty team that, at nearly 1/4 of the season through, is led in homeruns and RBI (*ducks*) by their rookie third baseman.

Led in HR and RBI by their rookie third baseman who has just 20 total hits on the season. He has more RBIs than hits.

In fact, per B-R's play index tool, his season RBI total to date (24) is tied for 21st among all MLB player seasons with RBI > H. Tied with, among the others, Julio Zuleta's 49-game campaign here in 2001 (24/23).

Related. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/4051)
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 08:08:45 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 21, 2014, 02:18:56 PM
Can we talk about Olt's batted ball numbers, Mac? I've been dying to talk about Olt's batted ball numbers with you all day.

Namely, that it's a story of extremes...

      BABIP  GB/FB   LD%    GB%    FB%   IFFB%  HR/FB  IFH%  BUH%
Olt   .167   0.72   10.1%  37.7%  52.2%  13.9%  25.0%  3.8%  0.0%
MLB   .298   1.33   20.2%  45.6%  34.2%   9.7%  10.1%  6.3% 27.6%


Among batters with 100+ PA in 2014, Olt ranks 5th in the majors in FB%, 8th in HR/FB and 2nd to last in both BABIP and LD%.

For starters, a 25% HR/FB ratio is pretty ridiculous. That's Barry Bonds territory (25.1% career).

MLB leaders in HR/FB the past five seasons:

2013: Chris Davis 29.6%
2012: Adam Dunn 29.3%
2011: Giancarlo Stanton 24.8%
2010: Joey Votto 25.0%
2009: Mark Reynolds 26.0%

And an FB rate north of 50% is exceptionally high, too. Season leaders:

2013: Brandon Moss 51.8%
2012: Mike Moustakas 49.8%
2011: Alfonso Soriano 51.1%
2010: Aramis Ramirez 56.8%
2009: Carlos Pena 54.1%

Put those together and, by the time Olt puts a ball into play, he's more than 13% of the way toward hitting it out of the park already. That is absolutely staggering. (And no doubt due for regression.)

At the same time, a line drive rate of 10.1% is retarded low. Olt's squared up just 7 total line drives on the season.

For context, the worst full-season LD rates from the past five years:

2013: Dan Uggla 13.2%
2012: Drew Stubbs 14.9%
2011: Vernon Wells 12.3%
2010: Aaron Hill 10.6%
2009: Hunter Pence 14.6%

And, given that, as LD% goes, largely so does BABIP, it stands to reason that his BABIP would be really low, too. And it is. But it's even lower than might be expected from his raw batted ball numbers if this formula (http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/xbabip-spreadsheet/) is anything to go by:

QuotexBABIP = 0.392 + (LD% x 0.287709436) + ((GB% – (GB% * IFH%)) x -0.152 ) + ((FB% – (FB% x HR/FB%) – (FB% x IFFB%)) x -0.188) + ((IFFB% * FB%) x -0.835) + ((IFH% * GB%) x 0.500)

Assuming all my Excel jiggerdypoop is in order, I have Olt at an xBABIP of .253 (versus .167 actual).

Surely Olt's LD rate is ready to regress as well. This time upwards. (Particularly insofar as his retarded high HR rate suggests that his lack of liners doesn't speak to a fundamental power deficit.)

So... Lucky in jimmies, unlucky in love and liners. What's the upshot?

He's hit 26 ground balls, 36 fly balls and 7 line drives this season. Had he put the same number of balls into play but at the league average rates for each batted ball type, he'd instead have 31.5 ground balls, 23.6 fly balls and 13.9 line drives.

Had those 23.6 fly balls left the park at the league average rate instead of his Bonds- or Stanton-esque clip, he'd have just 2.4 homers (versus his team-leading 9).

All else being equal, this would be good for an xBABIP of .312 and, in turn, a batting average of .217 and OBP of .293 (versus .183/.263 actual).

Conclusion? Hell if I know. I'm just some nerd with a laptop.

This is kinda where statfaggotry leaves me on the outside looking in. I embrace it, I want to love it, but it makes me think hard. Brain hurt.

So, this is saying Mike Olt's numbers are X, but we can hypothesize and formulate what might be had he performed at the MLB averages for these measurables?

You are a nerd with a laptop, but I applaud you going through all these numbers and explaining them so I can almost grasp the concept.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 10:25:08 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 08:08:45 AM
So, this is saying Mike Olt's numbers are X, but we can hypothesize and formulate what might be had he performed at the MLB averages for these measurables?

Basically. With a strong emphasis on "hypothesize".

The main point is that both the high rate at which Olt's been hitting fly balls and home runs and the low rate at which he's been hitting line drives look pretty extreme, are probably due in part to some good/bad luck and are unlikely to continue going forward.

It's probably unreasonable to say that this number crunching reveals what Olt "would have" or "should have" actually done without that good/bad luck. But I hope it does help illustrate the impact of that luck on the numbers that matter (i.e., OBP, jimmies) by putting it in the context of the league average.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 10:30:59 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 10:25:08 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 08:08:45 AM
So, this is saying Mike Olt's numbers are X, but we can hypothesize and formulate what might be had he performed at the MLB averages for these measurables?

Basically. With a strong emphasis on "hypothesize".

The main point is that both the high rate at which Olt's been hitting fly balls and home runs and the low rate at which he's been hitting line drives look pretty extreme, are probably due in part to some good/bad luck and are unlikely to continue going forward.

It's probably unreasonable to say that this number crunching reveals what Olt "would have" or "should have" actually done without that good/bad luck. But I hope it does help illustrate the impact of that luck on the numbers that matter (i.e., OBP, jimmies) by putting it in the context of the league average.

Since you know better than I do, what do his minor league numbers say in regards to FB%/LD%/BABIP etc.?
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 10:30:59 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2014, 10:25:08 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 23, 2014, 08:08:45 AM
So, this is saying Mike Olt's numbers are X, but we can hypothesize and formulate what might be had he performed at the MLB averages for these measurables?

Basically. With a strong emphasis on "hypothesize".

The main point is that both the high rate at which Olt's been hitting fly balls and home runs and the low rate at which he's been hitting line drives look pretty extreme, are probably due in part to some good/bad luck and are unlikely to continue going forward.

It's probably unreasonable to say that this number crunching reveals what Olt "would have" or "should have" actually done without that good/bad luck. But I hope it does help illustrate the impact of that luck on the numbers that matter (i.e., OBP, jimmies) by putting it in the context of the league average.

Since you know better than I do, what do his minor league numbers say in regards to FB%/LD%/BABIP etc.?

As far as I'm aware, FB/LD/GB numbers aren't available from the minors.

His career minor league BABIP is .303, which seems just about perfectly average.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 02:02:15 PM
So, at what point does this guy get sent back down to Iowa? 

I don't understand how the Cubs take a modest approach with guys like Baez and Bryant and make sure they're properly seasoned in the minors and then take Olt, who has never been anything but awful above AA and determine he's ready. I know things like service time and future contracts play into this, which aren't really in play with Olt, but I don't understand at all what they're doing with him. 

Maybe they're just trying to see what they've got here, or maybe they just don't want to add yet another struggling 3B prospect to the minors, but for a guy who's still relatively young (25) it sure seems like there's a better place for him to be than playing on the major league roster. 
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: CBStew on June 05, 2014, 03:08:54 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 02:02:15 PM
So, at what point does this guy get sent back down to Iowa? 

I don't understand how the Cubs take a modest approach with guys like Baez and Bryant and make sure they're properly seasoned in the minors and then take Olt, who has never been anything but awful above AA and determine he's ready. I know things like service time and future contracts play into this, which aren't really in play with Olt, but I don't understand at all what they're doing with him. 

Maybe they're just trying to see what they've got here, or maybe they just don't want to add yet another struggling 3B prospect to the minors, but for a guy who's still relatively young (25) it sure seems like there's a better place for him to be than playing on the major league roster. 

Qvetch!
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: InternetApex on June 05, 2014, 05:16:49 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 02:02:15 PM
So, at what point does this guy get sent back down to Iowa? 

I don't understand how the Cubs take a modest approach with guys like Baez and Bryant and make sure they're properly seasoned in the minors and then take Olt, who has never been anything but awful above AA and determine he's ready. I know things like service time and future contracts play into this, which aren't really in play with Olt, but I don't understand at all what they're doing with him. 

Maybe they're just trying to see what they've got here, or maybe they just don't want to add yet another struggling 3B prospect to the minors, but for a guy who's still relatively young (25) it sure seems like there's a better place for him to be than playing on the major league roster. 

It's almost as if they WANT to lose games.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 05:20:23 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2014, 05:16:49 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 02:02:15 PM
So, at what point does this guy get sent back down to Iowa? 

I don't understand how the Cubs take a modest approach with guys like Baez and Bryant and make sure they're properly seasoned in the minors and then take Olt, who has never been anything but awful above AA and determine he's ready. I know things like service time and future contracts play into this, which aren't really in play with Olt, but I don't understand at all what they're doing with him. 

Maybe they're just trying to see what they've got here, or maybe they just don't want to add yet another struggling 3B prospect to the minors, but for a guy who's still relatively young (25) it sure seems like there's a better place for him to be than playing on the major league roster. 

It's almost as if they WANT to lose games.

They can lose games with any of the dudes on their roster playing 3B every day.

If Olt is at all part of the long term plans, it seems like a disservice to have him out there when he's clearly over matched.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on June 05, 2014, 05:34:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 05:20:23 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2014, 05:16:49 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 02:02:15 PM
So, at what point does this guy get sent back down to Iowa? 

I don't understand how the Cubs take a modest approach with guys like Baez and Bryant and make sure they're properly seasoned in the minors and then take Olt, who has never been anything but awful above AA and determine he's ready. I know things like service time and future contracts play into this, which aren't really in play with Olt, but I don't understand at all what they're doing with him. 

Maybe they're just trying to see what they've got here, or maybe they just don't want to add yet another struggling 3B prospect to the minors, but for a guy who's still relatively young (25) it sure seems like there's a better place for him to be than playing on the major league roster. 

It's almost as if they WANT to lose games.

They can lose games with any of the dudes on their roster playing 3B every day.

If Olt is at all part of the long term plans, it seems like a disservice to have him out there when he's clearly over matched.

If there's a Christian Villanueva–sized logjam awaiting Bryant at 3B in Iowa now, what happens if Olt is sent there, too?
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 05:37:51 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 05, 2014, 05:34:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 05:20:23 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2014, 05:16:49 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 02:02:15 PM
So, at what point does this guy get sent back down to Iowa?  

I don't understand how the Cubs take a modest approach with guys like Baez and Bryant and make sure they're properly seasoned in the minors and then take Olt, who has never been anything but awful above AA and determine he's ready. I know things like service time and future contracts play into this, which aren't really in play with Olt, but I don't understand at all what they're doing with him.  

Maybe they're just trying to see what they've got here, or maybe they just don't want to add yet another struggling 3B prospect to the minors, but for a guy who's still relatively young (25) it sure seems like there's a better place for him to be than playing on the major league roster.  

It's almost as if they WANT to lose games.

They can lose games with any of the dudes on their roster playing 3B every day.

If Olt is at all part of the long term plans, it seems like a disservice to have him out there when he's clearly over matched.

If there's a Christian Villanueva–sized logjam awaiting Bryant at 3B in Iowa now, what happens if Olt is sent there, too?

Acknowledged that there are TOO MANY THIRD BASEMEN ON THE FIELD.

But, at some point SOMEONE is gonna have to learn how to play OF and not be a slapdick hitter.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on June 09, 2014, 07:55:48 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 05, 2014, 05:34:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 05:20:23 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2014, 05:16:49 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 02:02:15 PM
So, at what point does this guy get sent back down to Iowa? 

I don't understand how the Cubs take a modest approach with guys like Baez and Bryant and make sure they're properly seasoned in the minors and then take Olt, who has never been anything but awful above AA and determine he's ready. I know things like service time and future contracts play into this, which aren't really in play with Olt, but I don't understand at all what they're doing with him. 

Maybe they're just trying to see what they've got here, or maybe they just don't want to add yet another struggling 3B prospect to the minors, but for a guy who's still relatively young (25) it sure seems like there's a better place for him to be than playing on the major league roster. 

It's almost as if they WANT to lose games.

They can lose games with any of the dudes on their roster playing 3B every day.

If Olt is at all part of the long term plans, it seems like a disservice to have him out there when he's clearly over matched.

If there's a Christian Villanueva–sized logjam awaiting Bryant at 3B in Iowa now, what happens if Olt is sent there, too?

Checking AAA depth chart at first base...



...something called Lars Anderson is the Iowa Cubs lone 1B on the team. The paradox is that Olt and Villanueva are supposed to be slick fielders, but you want to keep Bryant at 3B because something something max value and development.

Someone will have to play OF or 1B. Could one of them get promoted? You don't really demote anyone to AA here, right?
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on June 11, 2014, 07:35:35 AM
It's time to send Mike Olt to the minors.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on June 11, 2014, 07:58:28 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 11, 2014, 07:35:35 AM
It's time to send Mike Olt to the minors.

Yeah, getting rung up on a called 3rd strike with a runner on 3rd and 1 out against a lefty (albeit a quality one) is a bridge too far for me.  It's bad enough the guy's swung and missed at about 900 pitched balls this year, but not beig aggressive in the strike zone when he absolutely needed to put the ball in play tells me he's guessing now, and he's all messed up (he was also called out on strikes his first time up last night).

Dude needs to go to Des Moines and salvage some confidence.  Besides, Valboner's proving that he should play everyday at 3B for a while anyway so there's no point in leaving Olt and his thimble of confidence rotting on the bench.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on June 11, 2014, 08:15:14 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 11, 2014, 07:58:28 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 11, 2014, 07:35:35 AM
It's time to send Mike Olt to the minors.

Yeah, getting rung up on a called 3rd strike with a runner on 3rd and 1 out against a lefty (albeit a quality one) is a bridge too far for me.  It's bad enough the guy's swung and missed at about 900 pitched balls this year, but not beig aggressive in the strike zone when he absolutely needed to put the ball in play tells me he's guessing now, and he's all messed up (he was also called out on strikes his first time up last night).

Dude needs to go to Des Moines and salvage some confidence.  Besides, Valboner's proving that he should play everyday at 3B for a while anyway so there's no point in leaving Olt and his thimble of confidence rotting on the bench.

Welp, all of that.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Quality Start Machine on June 11, 2014, 08:42:44 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 11, 2014, 08:15:14 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 11, 2014, 07:58:28 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 11, 2014, 07:35:35 AM
It's time to send Mike Olt to the minors.

Yeah, getting rung up on a called 3rd strike with a runner on 3rd and 1 out against a lefty (albeit a quality one) is a bridge too far for me.  It's bad enough the guy's swung and missed at about 900 pitched balls this year, but not beig aggressive in the strike zone when he absolutely needed to put the ball in play tells me he's guessing now, and he's all messed up (he was also called out on strikes his first time up last night).

Dude needs to go to Des Moines and salvage some confidence.  Besides, Valboner's proving that he should play everyday at 3B for a while anyway so there's no point in leaving Olt and his thimble of confidence rotting on the bench.

Welp, all of that.

thirded. It was fun while it lasted.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: CBStew on June 11, 2014, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 11, 2014, 08:42:44 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 11, 2014, 08:15:14 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 11, 2014, 07:58:28 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 11, 2014, 07:35:35 AM
It's time to send Mike Olt to the minors.

Yeah, getting rung up on a called 3rd strike with a runner on 3rd and 1 out against a lefty (albeit a quality one) is a bridge too far for me.  It's bad enough the guy's swung and missed at about 900 pitched balls this year, but not beig aggressive in the strike zone when he absolutely needed to put the ball in play tells me he's guessing now, and he's all messed up (he was also called out on strikes his first time up last night).

Dude needs to go to Des Moines and salvage some confidence.  Besides, Valboner's proving that he should play everyday at 3B for a while anyway so there's no point in leaving Olt and his thimble of confidence rotting on the bench.

Welp, all of that.

thirded. It was fun while it lasted.

The bottom third of the batting order (except when Wood is pitching) is sick making.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Slaky on June 11, 2014, 09:13:10 AM
If only someone could have seen this coming.

Also, I think Luis Valbuena deserves a lot of credit. Putting together an extremely nice year at the plate. Like, I *like* him. 15 doubles? A .386 on base? Holy shit.

I guess Dolan finally got one right.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on June 11, 2014, 09:20:00 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 11, 2014, 08:42:44 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 11, 2014, 08:15:14 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 11, 2014, 07:58:28 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 11, 2014, 07:35:35 AM
It's time to send Mike Olt to the minors.

Yeah, getting rung up on a called 3rd strike with a runner on 3rd and 1 out against a lefty (albeit a quality one) is a bridge too far for me.  It's bad enough the guy's swung and missed at about 900 pitched balls this year, but not beig aggressive in the strike zone when he absolutely needed to put the ball in play tells me he's guessing now, and he's all messed up (he was also called out on strikes his first time up last night).

Dude needs to go to Des Moines and salvage some confidence.  Besides, Valboner's proving that he should play everyday at 3B for a while anyway so there's no point in leaving Olt and his thimble of confidence rotting on the bench.

Welp, all of that.

thirded. It was fun while it lasted.

They many need to send him all the way to AA.  Either that or he's going to sit behind Bryant once Bryant gets to Iowa in a few weeks.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on June 11, 2014, 09:42:18 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 11, 2014, 09:13:10 AM
If only someone could have seen this coming.

Also, I think Luis Valbuena deserves a lot of credit. Putting together an extremely nice year at the plate. Like, I *like* him. 15 doubles? A .386 on base? Holy shit.

I guess Dolan finally got one right.

I used to rag on Luis Valbuena being the 3B for the Cubes and hitting 5th in the order. But he's earned that this year after being very useful last year. The man is a solid baseball player. He's got a great idea at the plate, plays great defense an he doesn't really fuck up.

This isn't a Valbuena love letter, but maybe it's an I'm sorry for doubting you Hallmark card?
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: InternetApex on June 11, 2014, 09:48:54 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 11, 2014, 09:20:00 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 11, 2014, 08:42:44 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 11, 2014, 08:15:14 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 11, 2014, 07:58:28 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 11, 2014, 07:35:35 AM
It's time to send Mike Olt to the minors.

Yeah, getting rung up on a called 3rd strike with a runner on 3rd and 1 out against a lefty (albeit a quality one) is a bridge too far for me.  It's bad enough the guy's swung and missed at about 900 pitched balls this year, but not beig aggressive in the strike zone when he absolutely needed to put the ball in play tells me he's guessing now, and he's all messed up (he was also called out on strikes his first time up last night).

Dude needs to go to Des Moines and salvage some confidence.  Besides, Valboner's proving that he should play everyday at 3B for a while anyway so there's no point in leaving Olt and his thimble of confidence rotting on the bench.

Welp, all of that.

thirded. It was fun while it lasted.

They many need to send him all the way to AA.  Either that or he's going to sit behind Bryant once Bryant gets to Iowa in a few weeks.

They many need to send him all the way to Japan so he can challenge Matt Murton's hit record.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: CBStew on June 20, 2014, 03:48:53 PM
Seriously?
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: CBStew on June 22, 2014, 12:06:23 PM
Quote from: CBStew on June 20, 2014, 03:48:53 PM
Seriously?
Seriously?
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/28223399-573/cubs-front-office-remains-sold-on-slumping-mike-olt.html#.U6cMtDnn85s
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Tony on June 22, 2014, 12:20:18 PM
Quote from: CBStew on June 22, 2014, 12:06:23 PM
Quote from: CBStew on June 20, 2014, 03:48:53 PM
Seriously?
Seriously?
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/28223399-573/cubs-front-office-remains-sold-on-slumping-mike-olt.html#.U6cMtDnn85s

Well there's no room for him in Iowa now, so he might as well stay up here.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: InternetApex on June 23, 2014, 09:19:25 AM
Quote from: CBStew on June 22, 2014, 12:06:23 PM
Quote from: CBStew on June 20, 2014, 03:48:53 PM
Seriously?
Seriously?
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/28223399-573/cubs-front-office-remains-sold-on-slumping-mike-olt.html#.U6cMtDnn85s

The only hope is that he gets hot enough to trade for flotsam. Po' mouthing his big, dumb, blind ass in the papers won't help that cause.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Eli on June 23, 2014, 09:32:50 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 23, 2014, 09:19:25 AM
Quote from: CBStew on June 22, 2014, 12:06:23 PM
Quote from: CBStew on June 20, 2014, 03:48:53 PM
Seriously?
Seriously?
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/28223399-573/cubs-front-office-remains-sold-on-slumping-mike-olt.html#.U6cMtDnn85s

The only hope is that he gets hot enough to trade for flotsam. Po' mouthing his big, dumb, blind ass in the papers won't help that cause.

I had low expectations for him and even with those I can't believe how bad he's been. It's pretty staggering that every time he steps to the plate he's 37% of the way toward striking out.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Yeti on July 25, 2014, 08:00:03 AM
SEND HIM BACK UP!
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2014, 08:15:08 AM
In 7 games, Olt is at .320/.346/.440/.786 with a Mike Olt-esque 9/1 K/BB and 3 2B.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Quality Start Machine on July 30, 2014, 08:39:20 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2014, 08:15:08 AM
In 7 games, Olt is at .320/.346/.440/.786 with a Mike Olt-esque 9/1 K/BB and 3 2B.

Some guy is going to get 25 Ks in a game facing that Iowa lineup.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: InternetApex on July 30, 2014, 09:24:04 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2014, 08:15:08 AM
In 7 games, Olt is at .320/.346/.440/.786 with a Mike Olt-esque 9/1 K/BB and 3 2B.

Don't do this.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: PenFoe on July 30, 2014, 10:17:31 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 30, 2014, 09:24:04 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2014, 08:15:08 AM
In 7 games, Olt is at .320/.346/.440/.786 with a Mike Olt-esque 9/1 K/BB and 3 2B.

Don't do this.

For real. This guy sucks.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Quality Start Machine on July 31, 2014, 09:11:41 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 30, 2014, 10:17:31 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 30, 2014, 09:24:04 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2014, 08:15:08 AM
In 7 games, Olt is at .320/.346/.440/.786 with a Mike Olt-esque 9/1 K/BB and 3 2B.

Don't do this.

For real. This guy sucks.

What we I lost, what we I never had.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: SKO on April 11, 2015, 10:24:13 PM
Poor bastard
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: InternetApex on April 12, 2015, 09:34:50 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 11, 2015, 10:24:13 PM
Poor bastard

(http://ksr.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/TheBachelorRichard.jpg)
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Saul Goodman on April 12, 2015, 10:22:08 AM
Day to day, X-rays negative. Olt should be back to keeping Bryant down all season long for that robber baron Theo and the Cub$$$$$$$$.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on April 12, 2015, 04:52:56 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 12, 2015, 09:34:50 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 11, 2015, 10:24:13 PM
Poor bastard

(http://ksr.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/TheBachelorRichard.jpg)

<Love>
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on April 14, 2015, 03:59:42 PM
Out of the lineup again. Poor Mike Olt.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: PenFoe on April 14, 2015, 04:01:01 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 14, 2015, 03:59:42 PM
Out of the lineup again. Poor Mike Olt.

(https://v.cdn.vine.co/v/avatars/EDB480B6-1CA5-47AD-BCEB-11850E1B0304-593-000000EF86A4B33F.jpg?versionId=gPbBv387ysXwBbZ0Oic9DU4VUuvkQIcW)
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: SKO on April 14, 2015, 04:03:09 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 14, 2015, 04:01:01 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 14, 2015, 03:59:42 PM
Out of the lineup again. Poor Mike Olt.

(https://v.cdn.vine.co/v/avatars/EDB480B6-1CA5-47AD-BCEB-11850E1B0304-593-000000EF86A4B33F.jpg?versionId=gPbBv387ysXwBbZ0Oic9DU4VUuvkQIcW)

Oh, wow.
Title: Re: MIKE OLT!
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on April 15, 2015, 08:07:54 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 04:03:09 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 14, 2015, 04:01:01 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 14, 2015, 03:59:42 PM
Out of the lineup again. Poor Mike Olt.

(https://v.cdn.vine.co/v/avatars/EDB480B6-1CA5-47AD-BCEB-11850E1B0304-593-000000EF86A4B33F.jpg?versionId=gPbBv387ysXwBbZ0Oic9DU4VUuvkQIcW)

Oh, wow.

We've all just witnessed the first time SKO's seen a woman's shoulder. I remember my first, too, buddy.