I don't really hold a bad AB against Chapman against him, but every time I think about why he's even on this roster I get angry, so let's firebarn the sonofabitch.
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 07:37:24 AM
I don't really hold a bad AB against Chapman against him, but every time I think about why he's even on this roster I get angry, so let's firebarn the sonofabitch.
This could double as the Jon Lester firebarn, since he's the reason Ross is on the team to begin with.
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2015, 08:18:16 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 07:37:24 AM
I don't really hold a bad AB against Chapman against him, but every time I think about why he's even on this roster I get angry, so let's firebarn the sonofabitch.
This could double as the Jon Lester firebarn, since he's the reason Ross is on the team to begin with.
OR we blame Ross for Lester's struggles. Eh? EH?
All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2015, 09:05:16 AM
All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2015, 09:06:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2015, 09:05:16 AM
All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
But he can't frame, man. HE CAN'T FRAME
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2015, 09:06:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2015, 09:05:16 AM
All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Good to know we've written off Miguel Montero after 15 ABs.
Quote from: ChuckD on April 15, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2015, 09:06:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2015, 09:05:16 AM
All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Good to know we've written off Miguel Montero after 15 ABs.
What about the 1035 PAs he had his last two years in AZ that would seem to indicate he can't hit anymore?
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:16:48 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 15, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2015, 09:06:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2015, 09:05:16 AM
All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Good to know we've written off Miguel Montero after 15 ABs.
What about the 1035 PAs he had his last two years in AZ that would seem to indicate he can't hit anymore?
And the 417 PAs Castillo had last year with even worse offensive output?
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2015, 09:06:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2015, 09:05:16 AM
All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
I think if they were desperate, he'd already be gone but valid point (though Montero can't be as bad as Ross as a hitter)
Quote from: ChuckD on April 15, 2015, 09:20:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:16:48 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 15, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2015, 09:06:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2015, 09:05:16 AM
All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Good to know we've written off Miguel Montero after 15 ABs.
What about the 1035 PAs he had his last two years in AZ that would seem to indicate he can't hit anymore?
And the 417 PAs Castillo had last year with even worse offensive output?
Oh shut up, nerdlinger.
Anyways this is the hate David Ross thread. I have no issue with Montero. I think he'll end up hitting enough to be a useful catcher given his good defense. The point is that if Montero is this great defensive catcher that's a league leader in framing why have a second no-hit, good defense catcher backing him up?
STAY ON TARGET PEOPLE, David Ross must burn.
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:24:40 AM
Anyways this is the hate David Ross thread. I have no issue with Montero. I think he'll end up hitting enough to be a useful catcher given his good defense. The point is that if Montero is this great defensive catcher that's a league leader in framing why have a second no-hit, good defense catcher backing him up?
STAY ON TARGET PEOPLE, David Ross must burn.
It's been a week no one gets firebarned. Come on.
Quote from: Slaky on April 15, 2015, 09:26:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:24:40 AM
Anyways this is the hate David Ross thread. I have no issue with Montero. I think he'll end up hitting enough to be a useful catcher given his good defense. The point is that if Montero is this great defensive catcher that's a league leader in framing why have a second no-hit, good defense catcher backing him up?
STAY ON TARGET PEOPLE, David Ross must burn.
It's been a week no one gets firebarned. Come on.
I wanted to get out in front of this. I will bet my finest belt that by the end of this season there's no desipiot alive who won't want to add kindling to this purging blaze.
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:30:04 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 15, 2015, 09:26:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:24:40 AM
Anyways this is the hate David Ross thread. I have no issue with Montero. I think he'll end up hitting enough to be a useful catcher given his good defense. The point is that if Montero is this great defensive catcher that's a league leader in framing why have a second no-hit, good defense catcher backing him up?
STAY ON TARGET PEOPLE, David Ross must burn.
It's been a week no one gets firebarned. Come on.
I wanted to get out in front of this. I will bet my finest belt that by the end of this season there's no desipiot alive who won't want to add kindling to this purging blaze.
I've decided I love David Ross and there's nothing you can say to stop me.
Quote from: Slaky on April 15, 2015, 09:33:16 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:30:04 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 15, 2015, 09:26:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:24:40 AM
Anyways this is the hate David Ross thread. I have no issue with Montero. I think he'll end up hitting enough to be a useful catcher given his good defense. The point is that if Montero is this great defensive catcher that's a league leader in framing why have a second no-hit, good defense catcher backing him up?
STAY ON TARGET PEOPLE, David Ross must burn.
It's been a week no one gets firebarned. Come on.
I wanted to get out in front of this. I will bet my finest belt that by the end of this season there's no desipiot alive who won't want to add kindling to this purging blaze.
I've decided I love David Ross and there's nothing you can say to stop me.
and I thought Peter King saying he wouldn't consider Darren Sharper's history as a serial rapist while voting for the HOF to be the dumbest line in the sand someone would draw this week.
Quote from: Slaky on April 15, 2015, 09:33:16 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:30:04 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 15, 2015, 09:26:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:24:40 AM
Anyways this is the hate David Ross thread. I have no issue with Montero. I think he'll end up hitting enough to be a useful catcher given his good defense. The point is that if Montero is this great defensive catcher that's a league leader in framing why have a second no-hit, good defense catcher backing him up?
STAY ON TARGET PEOPLE, David Ross must burn.
It's been a week no one gets firebarned. Come on.
I wanted to get out in front of this. I will bet my finest belt that by the end of this season there's no desipiot alive who won't want to add kindling to this purging blaze.
I've decided I love David Ross and there's nothing you can say to stop me.
David Ross is going to wind up with, what, 170 PAs? Put me on record now as voting "present".
Quote from: Slaky on April 15, 2015, 09:33:16 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:30:04 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 15, 2015, 09:26:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:24:40 AM
Anyways this is the hate David Ross thread. I have no issue with Montero. I think he'll end up hitting enough to be a useful catcher given his good defense. The point is that if Montero is this great defensive catcher that's a league leader in framing why have a second no-hit, good defense catcher backing him up?
STAY ON TARGET PEOPLE, David Ross must burn.
It's been a week no one gets firebarned. Come on.
I wanted to get out in front of this. I will bet my finest belt that by the end of this season there's no desipiot alive who won't want to add kindling to this purging blaze.
I've decided I love David Ross and there's nothing you can say to stop me.
Did Chuck call in sick for his work as Desipio Contrarian or something?
Having a no-hit, good defensive catcher in the lineup theoretically makes sense once slapdicks like Herrera and Alcantara* are replaced by guys like Bryant, Russell, and Schwarber. The only problem with that line of thought is (a) it doesn't change that we are currently stuck watching multiple slapdicks (b) any/all of those prospects could die in a dirigible explosion and (c) if they're able to parachute out of the dirigible, it still may take them a couple of years before they consistently hit like non-slapdicks.
* I love Mendy and really hope he pans out, but his half a season of big league hitting thus far definitely falls into the "slapdick" category.
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2015, 09:37:32 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 15, 2015, 09:33:16 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:30:04 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 15, 2015, 09:26:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:24:40 AM
Anyways this is the hate David Ross thread. I have no issue with Montero. I think he'll end up hitting enough to be a useful catcher given his good defense. The point is that if Montero is this great defensive catcher that's a league leader in framing why have a second no-hit, good defense catcher backing him up?
STAY ON TARGET PEOPLE, David Ross must burn.
It's been a week no one gets firebarned. Come on.
I wanted to get out in front of this. I will bet my finest belt that by the end of this season there's no desipiot alive who won't want to add kindling to this purging blaze.
I've decided I love David Ross and there's nothing you can say to stop me.
Did Chuck call in sick for his work as Desipio Contrarian or something?
What the hell happened to this collective? y'all used to hate with the best of them. You hated in ways that taught me that I had been so small-minded in my hate as a youth. You opened up roads of hate for me. Now we can't even agree to hate a guy who is taking up a bench spot they sorely need despite being a sub-replacement level catcher last year.
You've lost your way, people.
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:40:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2015, 09:37:32 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 15, 2015, 09:33:16 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:30:04 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 15, 2015, 09:26:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:24:40 AM
Anyways this is the hate David Ross thread. I have no issue with Montero. I think he'll end up hitting enough to be a useful catcher given his good defense. The point is that if Montero is this great defensive catcher that's a league leader in framing why have a second no-hit, good defense catcher backing him up?
STAY ON TARGET PEOPLE, David Ross must burn.
It's been a week no one gets firebarned. Come on.
I wanted to get out in front of this. I will bet my finest belt that by the end of this season there's no desipiot alive who won't want to add kindling to this purging blaze.
I've decided I love David Ross and there's nothing you can say to stop me.
Did Chuck call in sick for his work as Desipio Contrarian or something?
What the hell happened to this collective? y'all used to hate with the best of them. You hated in ways that taught me that I had been so small-minded in my hate as a youth. You opened up roads of hate for me. Now we can't even agree to hate a guy who is taking up a bench spot they sorely need despite being a sub-replacement level catcher last year.
You've lost your way, people.
Cult of Theo, imo.
I am willing to climb on the Hatewagon. Gotta hate someone.
I have a hard time hating David Ross being on the team at this very moment. So, I cannot firebarn him just yet. In the long term view of the season where Kris Bryant and most certainly Addison Russell will be parts of this lineup with Rizzo, Castro, and Soler, having two above average defensive catchers that can hover around not being godawful at the plate is the least of my firebarning-worthy issues with the roster.
David Ross's only offense in this is that it likely pushes Castillo out. And is that really a huge loss for the Cubs? Probably not at all...we just kind of really like the guy. It kind of sucks that he's getting Renteria'd out of his job here, though.
A catcher who can't hit squatting behind the dish when your ace pitching isn't exactly a new thing, guys. Why get worked up over it now?
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 15, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
A catcher who can't hit squatting behind the dish when your ace pitching isn't exactly a new thing, guys. Why get worked up over it now?
Because why have TWO of those guys? They traded for Montero and accepted his massive contract because he is a top notch defensive catcher. There's no reason Jon Lester needs a personal catcher wasting a spot they very obviously need for another bench player when they already have Montero on the roster.
Like I said, this isn't Maddux not wanting to throw to Michael Barrett, a moron and shitty defensive catcher. This is choosing a catcher who isn't even as good behind the plate as your regular starter, and who takes up a spot that could go to someone who could actually pinch it.
I just think if they're bound and determined to showcase Castillo until they can get someone to trade for him, then tell Lester to suck it up for a couple of starts and DL Ross with hemorrhoids, carry two catchers, and then activate Ross whenever you get the deal you want for Beef.
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 10:42:29 AM
I just think if they're bound and determined to showcase Castillo until they can get someone to trade for him, then tell Lester to suck it up for a couple of starts and DL Ross with hemorrhoids, carry two catchers, and then activate Ross whenever you get the deal you want for Beef.
I was actively rooting for Ross to strike out so he couldn't ground into two last night. That's a good first step toward hate/rage. I doubt he'll have enough impact to really carry it off though. With any luck he'll get hurt.
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 10:39:03 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 15, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
A catcher who can't hit squatting behind the dish when your ace pitching isn't exactly a new thing, guys. Why get worked up over it now?
Because why have TWO of those guys? They traded for Montero and accepted his massive contract because he is a top notch defensive catcher. There's no reason Jon Lester needs a personal catcher wasting a spot they very obviously need for another bench player when they already have Montero on the roster.
Like I said, this isn't Maddux not wanting to throw to Michael Barrett, a moron and shitty defensive catcher. This is choosing a catcher who isn't even as good behind the plate as your regular starter, and who takes up a spot that could go to someone who could actually pinch it.
Isn't this, basically, what Castillo is right now? With all the positional flexibility on the rest of the roster, Castillo is a guy who can pinch hit. Woo hoo! I don't understand what roster spot Ross is wasting. They need a backup catcher no matter what, right? If that backup catcher is Castillo, they'd need another "someone who could actually pinch hit". I don't understand...
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 10:58:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 10:39:03 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 15, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
A catcher who can't hit squatting behind the dish when your ace pitching isn't exactly a new thing, guys. Why get worked up over it now?
Because why have TWO of those guys? They traded for Montero and accepted his massive contract because he is a top notch defensive catcher. There's no reason Jon Lester needs a personal catcher wasting a spot they very obviously need for another bench player when they already have Montero on the roster.
Like I said, this isn't Maddux not wanting to throw to Michael Barrett, a moron and shitty defensive catcher. This is choosing a catcher who isn't even as good behind the plate as your regular starter, and who takes up a spot that could go to someone who could actually pinch it.
Isn't this, basically, what Castillo is right now? With all the positional flexibility on the rest of the roster, Castillo is a guy who can pinch hit. Woo hoo! I don't understand what roster spot Ross is wasting. They need a backup catcher no matter what, right? If that backup catcher is Castillo, they'd need another "someone who could actually pinch hit". I don't understand...
Well golly why have two guys capable of pinch hitting when you have one!
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 10:58:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 10:39:03 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 15, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
A catcher who can't hit squatting behind the dish when your ace pitching isn't exactly a new thing, guys. Why get worked up over it now?
Because why have TWO of those guys? They traded for Montero and accepted his massive contract because he is a top notch defensive catcher. There's no reason Jon Lester needs a personal catcher wasting a spot they very obviously need for another bench player when they already have Montero on the roster.
Like I said, this isn't Maddux not wanting to throw to Michael Barrett, a moron and shitty defensive catcher. This is choosing a catcher who isn't even as good behind the plate as your regular starter, and who takes up a spot that could go to someone who could actually pinch it.
Isn't this, basically, what Castillo is right now? With all the positional flexibility on the rest of the roster, Castillo is a guy who can pinch hit. Woo hoo! I don't understand what roster spot Ross is wasting. They need a backup catcher no matter what, right? If that backup catcher is Castillo, they'd need another "someone who could actually pinch hit". I don't understand...
Geez why don't you just
marry David Ross, Oleg?
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 11:03:51 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 10:58:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 10:39:03 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 15, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
A catcher who can't hit squatting behind the dish when your ace pitching isn't exactly a new thing, guys. Why get worked up over it now?
Because why have TWO of those guys? They traded for Montero and accepted his massive contract because he is a top notch defensive catcher. There's no reason Jon Lester needs a personal catcher wasting a spot they very obviously need for another bench player when they already have Montero on the roster.
Like I said, this isn't Maddux not wanting to throw to Michael Barrett, a moron and shitty defensive catcher. This is choosing a catcher who isn't even as good behind the plate as your regular starter, and who takes up a spot that could go to someone who could actually pinch it.
Isn't this, basically, what Castillo is right now? With all the positional flexibility on the rest of the roster, Castillo is a guy who can pinch hit. Woo hoo! I don't understand what roster spot Ross is wasting. They need a backup catcher no matter what, right? If that backup catcher is Castillo, they'd need another "someone who could actually pinch hit". I don't understand...
Well golly why have two guys capable of pinch hitting when you have one!
How often will your backup catcher pinch hit in a close game? I'm thinking most of the time he's held back in case something happens to the starter, right? For fuck's sake, he's a goddamn backup catcher!
I'm all for firebarning those who deserve it (fuck you, Blake Dewitt). But, jebus...let's everyone just calm down!!!!!
Adding kindling (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/12405/the-best-backup-catcher-in-the-majors).
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:30:04 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 15, 2015, 09:26:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:24:40 AM
Anyways this is the hate David Ross thread. I have no issue with Montero. I think he'll end up hitting enough to be a useful catcher given his good defense. The point is that if Montero is this great defensive catcher that's a league leader in framing why have a second no-hit, good defense catcher backing him up?
STAY ON TARGET PEOPLE, David Ross must burn.
It's been a week no one gets firebarned. Come on.
I wanted to get out in front of this. I will bet my finest belt that by the end of this season there's no desipiot alive who won't want to add kindling to this purging blaze.
Challenge accepted. *orders Ross shirsey*
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 11:06:18 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 11:03:51 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 10:58:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 10:39:03 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 15, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
A catcher who can't hit squatting behind the dish when your ace pitching isn't exactly a new thing, guys. Why get worked up over it now?
Because why have TWO of those guys? They traded for Montero and accepted his massive contract because he is a top notch defensive catcher. There's no reason Jon Lester needs a personal catcher wasting a spot they very obviously need for another bench player when they already have Montero on the roster.
Like I said, this isn't Maddux not wanting to throw to Michael Barrett, a moron and shitty defensive catcher. This is choosing a catcher who isn't even as good behind the plate as your regular starter, and who takes up a spot that could go to someone who could actually pinch it.
Isn't this, basically, what Castillo is right now? With all the positional flexibility on the rest of the roster, Castillo is a guy who can pinch hit. Woo hoo! I don't understand what roster spot Ross is wasting. They need a backup catcher no matter what, right? If that backup catcher is Castillo, they'd need another "someone who could actually pinch hit". I don't understand...
Well golly why have two guys capable of pinch hitting when you have one!
How often will your backup catcher pinch hit in a close game? I'm thinking most of the time he's held back in case something happens to the starter, right? For fuck's sake, he's a goddamn backup catcher!
I'm all for firebarning those who deserve it (fuck you, Blake Dewitt). But, jebus...let's everyone just calm down!!!!!
Adding kindling (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/12405/the-best-backup-catcher-in-the-majors).
Well why did they sign 2015 David Ross if 2011 David Ross was available?
.....there's a lot of active baseball talk on Desipio right now and it rules. I missed this.
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2015, 11:04:16 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 10:58:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 10:39:03 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 15, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
A catcher who can't hit squatting behind the dish when your ace pitching isn't exactly a new thing, guys. Why get worked up over it now?
Because why have TWO of those guys? They traded for Montero and accepted his massive contract because he is a top notch defensive catcher. There's no reason Jon Lester needs a personal catcher wasting a spot they very obviously need for another bench player when they already have Montero on the roster.
Like I said, this isn't Maddux not wanting to throw to Michael Barrett, a moron and shitty defensive catcher. This is choosing a catcher who isn't even as good behind the plate as your regular starter, and who takes up a spot that could go to someone who could actually pinch it.
Isn't this, basically, what Castillo is right now? With all the positional flexibility on the rest of the roster, Castillo is a guy who can pinch hit. Woo hoo! I don't understand what roster spot Ross is wasting. They need a backup catcher no matter what, right? If that backup catcher is Castillo, they'd need another "someone who could actually pinch hit". I don't understand...
Geez why don't you just marry David Ross, Oleg?
They share that grey-ish beard thing
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 11:12:55 AM
.....there's a lot of active baseball talk on Desipio right now and it rules. I missed this.
THIS
Glad to see a return of the multiple blue buttons upon checking this page...
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 11:12:27 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 11:06:18 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 11:03:51 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 10:58:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 10:39:03 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 15, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
A catcher who can't hit squatting behind the dish when your ace pitching isn't exactly a new thing, guys. Why get worked up over it now?
Because why have TWO of those guys? They traded for Montero and accepted his massive contract because he is a top notch defensive catcher. There's no reason Jon Lester needs a personal catcher wasting a spot they very obviously need for another bench player when they already have Montero on the roster.
Like I said, this isn't Maddux not wanting to throw to Michael Barrett, a moron and shitty defensive catcher. This is choosing a catcher who isn't even as good behind the plate as your regular starter, and who takes up a spot that could go to someone who could actually pinch it.
Isn't this, basically, what Castillo is right now? With all the positional flexibility on the rest of the roster, Castillo is a guy who can pinch hit. Woo hoo! I don't understand what roster spot Ross is wasting. They need a backup catcher no matter what, right? If that backup catcher is Castillo, they'd need another "someone who could actually pinch hit". I don't understand...
Well golly why have two guys capable of pinch hitting when you have one!
How often will your backup catcher pinch hit in a close game? I'm thinking most of the time he's held back in case something happens to the starter, right? For fuck's sake, he's a goddamn backup catcher!
I'm all for firebarning those who deserve it (fuck you, Blake Dewitt). But, jebus...let's everyone just calm down!!!!!
Adding kindling (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/12405/the-best-backup-catcher-in-the-majors).
Well why did they sign 2015 David Ross if 2011 David Ross was available?
No shit. Let's go out and sign 2011 Lance Berkman and his .959 OPS to come off the bench and pinch-hit. He's available, after all.
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 15, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
A catcher who can't hit squatting behind the dish when your ace pitching isn't exactly a new thing, guys. Why get worked up over it now?
Because why have TWO of those guys? They traded for Montero and accepted his massive contract because he is a top notch defensive catcher. There's no reason Jon Lester needs a personal catcher wasting a spot they very obviously need for another bench player when they already have Montero on the roster.
Like I said, this isn't Maddux not wanting to throw to Michael Barrett, a moron and shitty defensive catcher. This is choosing a catcher who isn't even as good behind the plate as your regular starter, and who takes up a spot that could go to someone who could actually pinch it.
Isn't this, basically, what Castillo is right now? With all the positional flexibility on the rest of the roster, Castillo is a guy who can pinch hit. Woo hoo! I don't understand what roster spot Ross is wasting. They need a backup catcher no matter what, right? If that backup catcher is Castillo, they'd need another "someone who could actually pinch hit". I don't understand...
Well golly why have two guys capable of pinch hitting when you have one!
How often will your backup catcher pinch hit in a close game? I'm thinking most of the time he's held back in case something happens to the starter, right? For fuck's sake, he's a goddamn backup catcher!
I'm all for firebarning those who deserve it (fuck you, Blake Dewitt). But, jebus...let's everyone just calm down!!!!!
Adding kindling (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/12405/the-best-backup-catcher-in-the-majors).
Well why did they sign 2015 David Ross if 2011 David Ross was available?
No shit. Let's go out and sign 2011 Lance Berkman and his .959 OPS to come off the bench and pinch-hit. He's available, after all.
I'm sorry. When I posted the link, it automatically turned the words to blue font. Green was not available. I figured the "kindling" thing would add the proper tone but I guess not.
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 15, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
A catcher who can't hit squatting behind the dish when your ace pitching isn't exactly a new thing, guys. Why get worked up over it now?
Because why have TWO of those guys? They traded for Montero and accepted his massive contract because he is a top notch defensive catcher. There's no reason Jon Lester needs a personal catcher wasting a spot they very obviously need for another bench player when they already have Montero on the roster.
Like I said, this isn't Maddux not wanting to throw to Michael Barrett, a moron and shitty defensive catcher. This is choosing a catcher who isn't even as good behind the plate as your regular starter, and who takes up a spot that could go to someone who could actually pinch it.
Isn't this, basically, what Castillo is right now? With all the positional flexibility on the rest of the roster, Castillo is a guy who can pinch hit. Woo hoo! I don't understand what roster spot Ross is wasting. They need a backup catcher no matter what, right? If that backup catcher is Castillo, they'd need another "someone who could actually pinch hit". I don't understand...
Well golly why have two guys capable of pinch hitting when you have one!
How often will your backup catcher pinch hit in a close game? I'm thinking most of the time he's held back in case something happens to the starter, right? For fuck's sake, he's a goddamn backup catcher!
I'm all for firebarning those who deserve it (fuck you, Blake Dewitt). But, jebus...let's everyone just calm down!!!!!
Adding kindling (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/12405/the-best-backup-catcher-in-the-majors).
Well why did they sign 2015 David Ross if 2011 David Ross was available?
No shit. Let's go out and sign 2011 Lance Berkman and his .959 OPS to come off the bench and pinch-hit. He's available, after all.
I'm sorry. When I posted the link, it automatically turned the words to blue font. Green was not available. I figured the "kindling" thing would add the proper tone but I guess not.
Hey, Oleg? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGyHIV3-DDE)
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 15, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
A catcher who can't hit squatting behind the dish when your ace pitching isn't exactly a new thing, guys. Why get worked up over it now?
Because why have TWO of those guys? They traded for Montero and accepted his massive contract because he is a top notch defensive catcher. There's no reason Jon Lester needs a personal catcher wasting a spot they very obviously need for another bench player when they already have Montero on the roster.
Like I said, this isn't Maddux not wanting to throw to Michael Barrett, a moron and shitty defensive catcher. This is choosing a catcher who isn't even as good behind the plate as your regular starter, and who takes up a spot that could go to someone who could actually pinch it.
Isn't this, basically, what Castillo is right now? With all the positional flexibility on the rest of the roster, Castillo is a guy who can pinch hit. Woo hoo! I don't understand what roster spot Ross is wasting. They need a backup catcher no matter what, right? If that backup catcher is Castillo, they'd need another "someone who could actually pinch hit". I don't understand...
Well golly why have two guys capable of pinch hitting when you have one!
How often will your backup catcher pinch hit in a close game? I'm thinking most of the time he's held back in case something happens to the starter, right? For fuck's sake, he's a goddamn backup catcher!
I'm all for firebarning those who deserve it (fuck you, Blake Dewitt). But, jebus...let's everyone just calm down!!!!!
Adding kindling (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/12405/the-best-backup-catcher-in-the-majors).
Well why did they sign 2015 David Ross if 2011 David Ross was available?
No shit. Let's go out and sign 2011 Lance Berkman and his .959 OPS to come off the bench and pinch-hit. He's available, after all.
I'm sorry. When I posted the link, it automatically turned the words to blue font. Green was not available. I figured the "kindling" thing would add the proper tone but I guess not.
Hey, Oleg? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGyHIV3-DDE)
Why start now?
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2015, 11:20:43 AM
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Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 10:58:41 AM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 15, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
A catcher who can't hit squatting behind the dish when your ace pitching isn't exactly a new thing, guys. Why get worked up over it now?
Because why have TWO of those guys? They traded for Montero and accepted his massive contract because he is a top notch defensive catcher. There's no reason Jon Lester needs a personal catcher wasting a spot they very obviously need for another bench player when they already have Montero on the roster.
Like I said, this isn't Maddux not wanting to throw to Michael Barrett, a moron and shitty defensive catcher. This is choosing a catcher who isn't even as good behind the plate as your regular starter, and who takes up a spot that could go to someone who could actually pinch it.
Isn't this, basically, what Castillo is right now? With all the positional flexibility on the rest of the roster, Castillo is a guy who can pinch hit. Woo hoo! I don't understand what roster spot Ross is wasting. They need a backup catcher no matter what, right? If that backup catcher is Castillo, they'd need another "someone who could actually pinch hit". I don't understand...
Well golly why have two guys capable of pinch hitting when you have one!
How often will your backup catcher pinch hit in a close game? I'm thinking most of the time he's held back in case something happens to the starter, right? For fuck's sake, he's a goddamn backup catcher!
I'm all for firebarning those who deserve it (fuck you, Blake Dewitt). But, jebus...let's everyone just calm down!!!!!
Adding kindling (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/12405/the-best-backup-catcher-in-the-majors).
Well why did they sign 2015 David Ross if 2011 David Ross was available?
No shit. Let's go out and sign 2011 Lance Berkman and his .959 OPS to come off the bench and pinch-hit. He's available, after all.
I'm still getting over the logic of "why not turn the positive of a backup catcher who can hit into a negative by adding a second no-hit backup catcher at the expense of a position player who might be able to hit?"
I'm just happy to have someone to hate.
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 11:36:25 AM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 15, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
A catcher who can't hit squatting behind the dish when your ace pitching isn't exactly a new thing, guys. Why get worked up over it now?
Because why have TWO of those guys? They traded for Montero and accepted his massive contract because he is a top notch defensive catcher. There's no reason Jon Lester needs a personal catcher wasting a spot they very obviously need for another bench player when they already have Montero on the roster.
Like I said, this isn't Maddux not wanting to throw to Michael Barrett, a moron and shitty defensive catcher. This is choosing a catcher who isn't even as good behind the plate as your regular starter, and who takes up a spot that could go to someone who could actually pinch it.
Isn't this, basically, what Castillo is right now? With all the positional flexibility on the rest of the roster, Castillo is a guy who can pinch hit. Woo hoo! I don't understand what roster spot Ross is wasting. They need a backup catcher no matter what, right? If that backup catcher is Castillo, they'd need another "someone who could actually pinch hit". I don't understand...
Well golly why have two guys capable of pinch hitting when you have one!
How often will your backup catcher pinch hit in a close game? I'm thinking most of the time he's held back in case something happens to the starter, right? For fuck's sake, he's a goddamn backup catcher!
I'm all for firebarning those who deserve it (fuck you, Blake Dewitt). But, jebus...let's everyone just calm down!!!!!
Adding kindling (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/12405/the-best-backup-catcher-in-the-majors).
Well why did they sign 2015 David Ross if 2011 David Ross was available?
No shit. Let's go out and sign 2011 Lance Berkman and his .959 OPS to come off the bench and pinch-hit. He's available, after all.
I'm still getting over the logic of "why not turn the positive of a backup catcher who can hit into a negative by adding a second no-hit backup catcher at the expense of a position player who might be able to hit?"
Oleg does have a valid point about backup catchers generally not being used as pinch-hitters. If Montero & Castillo are the only catchers on the roster, Beef probably does not pinch-hit in these last 3 games. Then again, Maddon likes to take nice soft poops on conventional baseball wisdom, so who knows.
By the way, here's what I was looking for (http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2004/05/last_man_crouching.html) when I ran across the 2011 David Ross piece.
I'm pretty sure we've all seen it before.
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 11:41:16 AM
By the way, here's what I was looking for (http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2004/05/last_man_crouching.html) when I ran across the 2011 David Ross piece.
I'm pretty sure we've all seen it before.
Well, that link is even older than the first one you posted.
Quote from: R-V on April 15, 2015, 11:39:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 11:36:25 AM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 15, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
A catcher who can't hit squatting behind the dish when your ace pitching isn't exactly a new thing, guys. Why get worked up over it now?
Because why have TWO of those guys? They traded for Montero and accepted his massive contract because he is a top notch defensive catcher. There's no reason Jon Lester needs a personal catcher wasting a spot they very obviously need for another bench player when they already have Montero on the roster.
Like I said, this isn't Maddux not wanting to throw to Michael Barrett, a moron and shitty defensive catcher. This is choosing a catcher who isn't even as good behind the plate as your regular starter, and who takes up a spot that could go to someone who could actually pinch it.
Isn't this, basically, what Castillo is right now? With all the positional flexibility on the rest of the roster, Castillo is a guy who can pinch hit. Woo hoo! I don't understand what roster spot Ross is wasting. They need a backup catcher no matter what, right? If that backup catcher is Castillo, they'd need another "someone who could actually pinch hit". I don't understand...
Well golly why have two guys capable of pinch hitting when you have one!
How often will your backup catcher pinch hit in a close game? I'm thinking most of the time he's held back in case something happens to the starter, right? For fuck's sake, he's a goddamn backup catcher!
I'm all for firebarning those who deserve it (fuck you, Blake Dewitt). But, jebus...let's everyone just calm down!!!!!
Adding kindling (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/12405/the-best-backup-catcher-in-the-majors).
Well why did they sign 2015 David Ross if 2011 David Ross was available?
No shit. Let's go out and sign 2011 Lance Berkman and his .959 OPS to come off the bench and pinch-hit. He's available, after all.
I'm still getting over the logic of "why not turn the positive of a backup catcher who can hit into a negative by adding a second no-hit backup catcher at the expense of a position player who might be able to hit?"
Oleg does have a valid point about backup catchers generally not being used as pinch-hitters. If Montero & Castillo are the only catchers on the roster, Beef probably does not pinch-hit in these last 3 games. Then again, Maddon likes to take nice soft poops on conventional baseball wisdom, so who knows.
True, but they're in a situation right now where Travis Wood has had to pinch hit because their bench is so short. When a roster spot they actually need is taken up by a guy they don't need, I get angry at that guy. I never said it was fair or rational but Ross sucks so I feel pretty safe up here, steering this hatewagon.
I hated Koyie Hill, too. It's good times when the guy that's most hateable on the roster is the backup catcher, because that means you have depth elsewhere, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't hate people. Hate's what makes life worth livin, folks.
I mean, just for a hypothetical let's say the Cubs have the best player at every single position. Stanton, Cabrera, Trout, etc. they're all Cubs. The team wins 118 games, but for some reason 200 at bats that year go to Aaron Miles. There's no real need for Aaron Miles to be on the roster. He's just there because he's bros with Stanton or some shit. So you gotta watch him waddle up there and hit .109 for 190 ABs when you know, by God, you shouldn't have to.
You gonna tell me there's no Firebarn thread on this here blog for him? Eh?
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 15, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
A catcher who can't hit squatting behind the dish when your ace pitching isn't exactly a new thing, guys. Why get worked up over it now?
Because why have TWO of those guys? They traded for Montero and accepted his massive contract because he is a top notch defensive catcher. There's no reason Jon Lester needs a personal catcher wasting a spot they very obviously need for another bench player when they already have Montero on the roster.
Like I said, this isn't Maddux not wanting to throw to Michael Barrett, a moron and shitty defensive catcher. This is choosing a catcher who isn't even as good behind the plate as your regular starter, and who takes up a spot that could go to someone who could actually pinch it.
Isn't this, basically, what Castillo is right now? With all the positional flexibility on the rest of the roster, Castillo is a guy who can pinch hit. Woo hoo! I don't understand what roster spot Ross is wasting. They need a backup catcher no matter what, right? If that backup catcher is Castillo, they'd need another "someone who could actually pinch hit". I don't understand...
Well golly why have two guys capable of pinch hitting when you have one!
How often will your backup catcher pinch hit in a close game? I'm thinking most of the time he's held back in case something happens to the starter, right? For fuck's sake, he's a goddamn backup catcher!
I'm all for firebarning those who deserve it (fuck you, Blake Dewitt). But, jebus...let's everyone just calm down!!!!!
Adding kindling (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/12405/the-best-backup-catcher-in-the-majors).
Well why did they sign 2015 David Ross if 2011 David Ross was available?
No shit. Let's go out and sign 2011 Lance Berkman and his .959 OPS to come off the bench and pinch-hit. He's available, after all.
I'm still getting over the logic of "why not turn the positive of a backup catcher who can hit into a negative by adding a second no-hit backup catcher at the expense of a position player who might be able to hit?"
Oleg does have a valid point about backup catchers generally not being used as pinch-hitters. If Montero & Castillo are the only catchers on the roster, Beef probably does not pinch-hit in these last 3 games. Then again, Maddon likes to take nice soft poops on conventional baseball wisdom, so who knows.
True, but they're in a situation right now where Travis Wood has had to pinch hit because their bench is so short. When a roster spot they actually need is taken up by a guy they don't need, I get angry at that guy. I never said it was fair or rational but Ross sucks so I feel pretty safe up here, steering this hatewagon.
I hated Koyie Hill, too. It's good times when the guy that's most hateable on the roster is the backup catcher, because that means you have depth elsewhere, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't hate people. Hate's what makes life worth livin, folks.
I mean, just for a hypothetical let's say the Cubs have the best player at every single position. Stanton, Cabrera, Trout, etc. they're all Cubs. The team wins 118 games, but for some reason 200 at bats that year go to Aaron Miles. There's no real need for Aaron Miles to be on the roster. He's just there because he's bros with Stanton or some shit. So you gotta watch him waddle up there and hit .109 for 190 ABs when you know, by God, you shouldn't have to.
You gonna tell me there's no Firebarn thread on this here blog for him? Eh?
If Aaron Miles could do only thing that a starter on said team could do, then you live with those 190 ABs. Because if the starter goes down in any game, that one thing that he can do becomes really fucking important. At the same time, you don't really want to spend too many resources on that thing because, hey, it's only 190 ABs.
It's sort of like having a spare tire that's not really a full size tire. You don't really want to drive on it too much but if when you need it, it becomes really important.
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 12:22:45 PM
If Aaron Miles could do only thing that a starter on said team could do, then you live with those 190 ABs. Because if the starter goes down in any game, that one thing that he can do becomes really fucking important. At the same time, you don't really want to spend too many resources on that thing because, hey, it's only 190 ABs.
It's sort of like having a spare tire that's not really a full size tire. You don't really want to drive on it too much but if when you need it, it becomes really important.
So again what does David Ross do that's so important? If Montero goes down you have Wellington, and pitch framing be damned, Castillo would take the majority of the starts at catcher in that scenario. If your argument gets down to "what if Montero and Wellington BOTH get hurt?" that's just stupid. You do what every other team that isn't carrying three catchers does and call up some replacement player or sign a guy off waivers or trade a PTBNL for some scrub. You don't need that scrub on the roster taking up space before that scenario plays out.
Once again, your argument is defeated because the whole reason I can't tolerate David Ross is precisely because there is no need for him, whatsoever. That is if I understood your argument, which made no grammatical sense.
I mean seriously if your only defense of a guy is "oh come on, he barely plays, he's not hurting them that much", I deem that guy firebarnable.
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 12:22:45 PM
If Aaron Miles could do only thing that a starter on said team could do, then you live with those 190 ABs. Because if the starter goes down in any game, that one thing that he can do becomes really fucking important. At the same time, you don't really want to spend too many resources on that thing because, hey, it's only 190 ABs.
It's sort of like having a spare tire that's not really a full size tire. You don't really want to drive on it too much but if when you need it, it becomes really important.
So again what does David Ross do that's so important? If Montero goes down you have Wellington, and pitch framing be damned, Castillo would take the majority of the starts at catcher in that scenario. If your argument gets down to "what if Montero and Wellington BOTH get hurt?" that's just stupid. You do what every other team that isn't carrying three catchers does and call up some replacement player or sign a guy off waivers or trade a PTBNL for some scrub. You don't need that scrub on the roster taking up space before that scenario plays out.
Once again, your argument is defeated because the whole reason I can't tolerate David Ross is precisely because there is no need for him, whatsoever. That is if I understood your argument, which made no grammatical sense.
Other than his starts for Lester, David Ross will get about 15 other PAs. So, go ahead and hate. I don't give a shit anymore.
The biggest problem right now is that the starting lineup isn't complete and Maddon has to pinch hit for position players late in games. Once Bryant is up, that gets mitigated a little (hopefully). If either Alcantra or Baez figure their shit out, there's even fewer opportunities to pinch hit. If Russell comes up and rakes, even less so.
So, whatever, man.
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 12:35:17 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 12:22:45 PM
If Aaron Miles could do only thing that a starter on said team could do, then you live with those 190 ABs. Because if the starter goes down in any game, that one thing that he can do becomes really fucking important. At the same time, you don't really want to spend too many resources on that thing because, hey, it's only 190 ABs.
It's sort of like having a spare tire that's not really a full size tire. You don't really want to drive on it too much but if when you need it, it becomes really important.
So again what does David Ross do that's so important? If Montero goes down you have Wellington, and pitch framing be damned, Castillo would take the majority of the starts at catcher in that scenario. If your argument gets down to "what if Montero and Wellington BOTH get hurt?" that's just stupid. You do what every other team that isn't carrying three catchers does and call up some replacement player or sign a guy off waivers or trade a PTBNL for some scrub. You don't need that scrub on the roster taking up space before that scenario plays out.
Once again, your argument is defeated because the whole reason I can't tolerate David Ross is precisely because there is no need for him, whatsoever. That is if I understood your argument, which made no grammatical sense.
Other than his starts for Lester, David Ross will get about 15 other PAs. So, go ahead and hate. I don't give a shit anymore.
The biggest problem right now is that the starters aren't complete and Maddon has to pinch hit for position players late in games. Once Bryant is up, that gets mitigated a little (hopefully). If either Alcantra or Baez figure their shit out, there's even fewer opportunities to pinch hit. If Russel comes up and rakes, even less so.
So, whatever, man.
Well I mean I'm not arguing "David Ross is single-handedly sinking the playoff hopes of the 2015 Cubs". I'm just arguing "David Ross sucks and shouldn't be on the roster until/unless Castillo gets traded."
I have hated for much less.
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 12:22:45 PM
If Aaron Miles could do only thing that a starter on said team could do, then you live with those 190 ABs. Because if the starter goes down in any game, that one thing that he can do becomes really fucking important. At the same time, you don't really want to spend too many resources on that thing because, hey, it's only 190 ABs.
It's sort of like having a spare tire that's not really a full size tire. You don't really want to drive on it too much but if when you need it, it becomes really important.
So again what does David Ross do that's so important? If Montero goes down you have Wellington, and pitch framing be damned, Castillo would take the majority of the starts at catcher in that scenario. If your argument gets down to "what if Montero and Wellington BOTH get hurt?" that's just stupid. You do what every other team that isn't carrying three catchers does and call up some replacement player or sign a guy off waivers or trade a PTBNL for some scrub. You don't need that scrub on the roster taking up space before that scenario plays out.
Once again, your argument is defeated because the whole reason I can't tolerate David Ross is precisely because there is no need for him, whatsoever. That is if I understood your argument, which made no grammatical sense.
I have to think that David Ross, a 38 year old backup catcher (whom I don't think is Koyie Hill levels of bad backup catching), has to hold some kind of value to organizations (like Boston, Atlanta, Chicago) outside of pure production especially considering his awful stats. Maybe, just maybe, David Ross is the CLUBHOUSE GUY with all the GRIT and whatnot. Maybe with all the VORP and WAR and UZR and BABiP numbers Theo and Jed have crunched to create this roster/farm system, they found one roster spot for this kind of guy...the backup catcher guy who has a gray beard and probably needs a Disney movie made about him that knows how to handle a pitching staff and might transition into the organization after his playing career.
I feel like I'm going to get destroyed for this.
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Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 12:22:45 PM
If Aaron Miles could do only thing that a starter on said team could do, then you live with those 190 ABs. Because if the starter goes down in any game, that one thing that he can do becomes really fucking important. At the same time, you don't really want to spend too many resources on that thing because, hey, it's only 190 ABs.
It's sort of like having a spare tire that's not really a full size tire. You don't really want to drive on it too much but if when you need it, it becomes really important.
So again what does David Ross do that's so important? If Montero goes down you have Wellington, and pitch framing be damned, Castillo would take the majority of the starts at catcher in that scenario. If your argument gets down to "what if Montero and Wellington BOTH get hurt?" that's just stupid. You do what every other team that isn't carrying three catchers does and call up some replacement player or sign a guy off waivers or trade a PTBNL for some scrub. You don't need that scrub on the roster taking up space before that scenario plays out.
Once again, your argument is defeated because the whole reason I can't tolerate David Ross is precisely because there is no need for him, whatsoever. That is if I understood your argument, which made no grammatical sense.
Other than his starts for Lester, David Ross will get about 15 other PAs. So, go ahead and hate. I don't give a shit anymore.
The biggest problem right now is that the starters aren't complete and Maddon has to pinch hit for position players late in games. Once Bryant is up, that gets mitigated a little (hopefully). If either Alcantra or Baez figure their shit out, there's even fewer opportunities to pinch hit. If Russel comes up and rakes, even less so.
So, whatever, man.
Well I mean I'm not arguing "David Ross is single-handedly sinking the playoff hopes of the 2015 Cubs". I'm just arguing "David Ross sucks and shouldn't be on the roster until/unless Castillo gets traded."
I have hated for much less.
Shirtless hug.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 15, 2015, 12:38:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 12:22:45 PM
If Aaron Miles could do only thing that a starter on said team could do, then you live with those 190 ABs. Because if the starter goes down in any game, that one thing that he can do becomes really fucking important. At the same time, you don't really want to spend too many resources on that thing because, hey, it's only 190 ABs.
It's sort of like having a spare tire that's not really a full size tire. You don't really want to drive on it too much but if when you need it, it becomes really important.
So again what does David Ross do that's so important? If Montero goes down you have Wellington, and pitch framing be damned, Castillo would take the majority of the starts at catcher in that scenario. If your argument gets down to "what if Montero and Wellington BOTH get hurt?" that's just stupid. You do what every other team that isn't carrying three catchers does and call up some replacement player or sign a guy off waivers or trade a PTBNL for some scrub. You don't need that scrub on the roster taking up space before that scenario plays out.
Once again, your argument is defeated because the whole reason I can't tolerate David Ross is precisely because there is no need for him, whatsoever. That is if I understood your argument, which made no grammatical sense.
I have to think that David Ross, a 38 year old backup catcher (whom I don't think is Koyie Hill levels of bad backup catching), has to hold some kind of value to organizations (like Boston, Atlanta, Chicago) outside of pure production especially considering his awful stats. Maybe, just maybe, David Ross is the CLUBHOUSE GUY with all the GRIT and whatnot. Maybe with all the VORP and WAR and UZR and BABiP numbers Theo and Jed have crunched to create this roster/farm system, they found one roster spot for this kind of guy...the backup catcher guy who has a gray beard and probably needs a Disney movie made about him that knows how to handle a pitching staff and might transition into the organization after his playing career.
I feel like I'm going to get destroyed for this.
Get outta the damn road, you rube. SKO's driving this Hatemobile with ferocity.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 15, 2015, 12:38:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 12:22:45 PM
If Aaron Miles could do only thing that a starter on said team could do, then you live with those 190 ABs. Because if the starter goes down in any game, that one thing that he can do becomes really fucking important. At the same time, you don't really want to spend too many resources on that thing because, hey, it's only 190 ABs.
It's sort of like having a spare tire that's not really a full size tire. You don't really want to drive on it too much but if when you need it, it becomes really important.
So again what does David Ross do that's so important? If Montero goes down you have Wellington, and pitch framing be damned, Castillo would take the majority of the starts at catcher in that scenario. If your argument gets down to "what if Montero and Wellington BOTH get hurt?" that's just stupid. You do what every other team that isn't carrying three catchers does and call up some replacement player or sign a guy off waivers or trade a PTBNL for some scrub. You don't need that scrub on the roster taking up space before that scenario plays out.
Once again, your argument is defeated because the whole reason I can't tolerate David Ross is precisely because there is no need for him, whatsoever. That is if I understood your argument, which made no grammatical sense.
I have to think that David Ross, a 38 year old backup catcher (whom I don't think is Koyie Hill levels of bad backup catching), has to hold some kind of value to organizations (like Boston, Atlanta, Chicago) outside of pure production especially considering his awful stats. Maybe, just maybe, David Ross is the CLUBHOUSE GUY with all the GRIT and whatnot. Maybe with all the VORP and WAR and UZR and BABiP numbers Theo and Jed have crunched to create this roster/farm system, they found one roster spot for this kind of guy...the backup catcher guy who has a gray beard and probably needs a Disney movie made about him that knows how to handle a pitching staff and might transition into the organization after his playing career.
I feel like I'm going to get destroyed for this.
Or, OR, they wanted to sign Lester's buddy as a final incentive to get him to come here and now he's under contract so maybe just arrange for Ross to get hit by a bus and have Montero frame Lester's pitches as he goes on an inspiring run to the World Series, pitching his heart out for his beloved friend who was murdered by a Greyhound. That I drove.
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 12:51:28 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 15, 2015, 12:38:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 12:22:45 PM
If Aaron Miles could do only thing that a starter on said team could do, then you live with those 190 ABs. Because if the starter goes down in any game, that one thing that he can do becomes really fucking important. At the same time, you don't really want to spend too many resources on that thing because, hey, it's only 190 ABs.
It's sort of like having a spare tire that's not really a full size tire. You don't really want to drive on it too much but if when you need it, it becomes really important.
So again what does David Ross do that's so important? If Montero goes down you have Wellington, and pitch framing be damned, Castillo would take the majority of the starts at catcher in that scenario. If your argument gets down to "what if Montero and Wellington BOTH get hurt?" that's just stupid. You do what every other team that isn't carrying three catchers does and call up some replacement player or sign a guy off waivers or trade a PTBNL for some scrub. You don't need that scrub on the roster taking up space before that scenario plays out.
Once again, your argument is defeated because the whole reason I can't tolerate David Ross is precisely because there is no need for him, whatsoever. That is if I understood your argument, which made no grammatical sense.
I have to think that David Ross, a 38 year old backup catcher (whom I don't think is Koyie Hill levels of bad backup catching), has to hold some kind of value to organizations (like Boston, Atlanta, Chicago) outside of pure production especially considering his awful stats. Maybe, just maybe, David Ross is the CLUBHOUSE GUY with all the GRIT and whatnot. Maybe with all the VORP and WAR and UZR and BABiP numbers Theo and Jed have crunched to create this roster/farm system, they found one roster spot for this kind of guy...the backup catcher guy who has a gray beard and probably needs a Disney movie made about him that knows how to handle a pitching staff and might transition into the organization after his playing career.
I feel like I'm going to get destroyed for this.
Or, OR, they wanted to sign Lester's buddy as a final incentive to get him to come here and now he's under contract so maybe just arrange for Ross to get hit by a bus and have Montero frame Lester's pitches as he goes on an inspiring run to the World Series, pitching his heart out for his beloved friend who was murdered by a Greyhound. That I drove.
Now that's a Disney movie I'd watch.
4 full pages in under 5 1/2 hours.
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4 full pages in under 5 1/2 hours.
That equals the entire board's output from November through January.
Quote from: R-V on April 15, 2015, 09:39:20 AM
Having a no-hit, good defensive catcher in the lineup theoretically makes sense once slapdicks like Herrera and Alcantara* are replaced by guys like Bryant, Russell, and Schwarber. The only problem with that line of thought is (a) it doesn't change that we are currently stuck watching multiple slapdicks (b) any/all of those prospects could die in a dirigible explosion and (c) if they're able to parachute out of the dirigible, it still may take them a couple of years before they consistently hit like non-slapdicks.
* I love Mendy and really hope he pans out, but his half a season of big league hitting thus far definitely falls into the "slapdick" category.
Kinda skipped over this before in my rush to hate David Ross to death, but yeah, I'm pretty concerned about Mendy at this point. It'd be one thing if I could wave off some of his 1-21 start or whatever as bad luck with BABIP or something but it really doesn't seem like he's put a good swing on anything yet, and his approach has been pretty bad.
I hope he turns it around because he'd be a super useful piece if he can just be average offensively.
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 11:43:22 AM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 15, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
A catcher who can't hit squatting behind the dish when your ace pitching isn't exactly a new thing, guys. Why get worked up over it now?
Because why have TWO of those guys? They traded for Montero and accepted his massive contract because he is a top notch defensive catcher. There's no reason Jon Lester needs a personal catcher wasting a spot they very obviously need for another bench player when they already have Montero on the roster.
Like I said, this isn't Maddux not wanting to throw to Michael Barrett, a moron and shitty defensive catcher. This is choosing a catcher who isn't even as good behind the plate as your regular starter, and who takes up a spot that could go to someone who could actually pinch it.
Isn't this, basically, what Castillo is right now? With all the positional flexibility on the rest of the roster, Castillo is a guy who can pinch hit. Woo hoo! I don't understand what roster spot Ross is wasting. They need a backup catcher no matter what, right? If that backup catcher is Castillo, they'd need another "someone who could actually pinch hit". I don't understand...
Well golly why have two guys capable of pinch hitting when you have one!
How often will your backup catcher pinch hit in a close game? I'm thinking most of the time he's held back in case something happens to the starter, right? For fuck's sake, he's a goddamn backup catcher!
I'm all for firebarning those who deserve it (fuck you, Blake Dewitt). But, jebus...let's everyone just calm down!!!!!
Adding kindling (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/12405/the-best-backup-catcher-in-the-majors).
Well why did they sign 2015 David Ross if 2011 David Ross was available?
No shit. Let's go out and sign 2011 Lance Berkman and his .959 OPS to come off the bench and pinch-hit. He's available, after all.
I'm still getting over the logic of "why not turn the positive of a backup catcher who can hit into a negative by adding a second no-hit backup catcher at the expense of a position player who might be able to hit?"
Oleg does have a valid point about backup catchers generally not being used as pinch-hitters. If Montero & Castillo are the only catchers on the roster, Beef probably does not pinch-hit in these last 3 games. Then again, Maddon likes to take nice soft poops on conventional baseball wisdom, so who knows.
True, but they're in a situation right now where Travis Wood has had to pinch hit because their bench is so short. When a roster spot they actually need is taken up by a guy they don't need, I get angry at that guy. I never said it was fair or rational but Ross sucks so I feel pretty safe up here, steering this hatewagon.
I hated Koyie Hill, too. It's good times when the guy that's most hateable on the roster is the backup catcher, because that means you have depth elsewhere, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't hate people. Hate's what makes life worth livin, folks.
I mean, just for a hypothetical let's say the Cubs have the best player at every single position. Stanton, Cabrera, Trout, etc. they're all Cubs. The team wins 118 games, but for some reason 200 at bats that year go to Aaron Miles. There's no real need for Aaron Miles to be on the roster. He's just there because he's bros with Stanton or some shit. So you gotta watch him waddle up there and hit .109 for 190 ABs when you know, by God, you shouldn't have to.
You gonna tell me there's no Firebarn thread on this here blog for him? Eh?
Yeah, fuck that guy for taking up a roster spot. When the Cubs offered him a contract and a spot on the 25-man, he should have told them to cram it. "I'm not good enough, so you cunts can take your financial security for my family and FUCK RIGHT OFF."
Quote from: Bort on April 15, 2015, 09:45:07 AM
I am willing to climb on the Hatewagon. Gotta hate someone.
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Quote from: Tonker on April 15, 2015, 02:11:08 PM
Yeah, fuck that guy for taking up a roster spot. When the Cubs offered him a contract and a spot on the 25-man, he should have told them to cram it. "I'm not good enough, so you cunts can take your financial security for my family and FUCK RIGHT OFF."
I'm fine with hating on Theo and Hoyer for being the ones that allowed him to take up a roster spot, but at least they've done things I like to counterbalance any hate they've merited for David Ross. David Ross I can hate with abandon. I suppose Aaron Miles was a super nice guy and golly it ain't his fault Jim Hendry signed him. Why hate on Neifi Perez? He certainly never asked Dusty to play him every day.
I mean shit they're all just trying so hard out there, why hate anybody? Sportsmanship is the best and a hallmark of this fringe messageboard for sure.
Just to recap,
The Anti-David Ross Argument:
1) He sucks
2) He's old
3) He's old and sucks
4) He's taking up a roster spot as a completely unnecessary third catcher, given that the starting catcher is better defensively and could easily take up the job of caddying for Lester.
5)Seriously what else do I need to say?
The Pro-David Ross Argument:
1) He doesn't play that often, so he can't hurt them that bad
2) At some point he will be surrounded by even more good players, so his suck will hurt less.
3) Golly mister, he seems swell and was he just supposed to turn down the contract offer?
4) Why hate anyone? Apparently we're all dirty mudfucking hippies now.
You people sicken me.
So what does everybody think of David Ross? Is he better or worse than John Baker? I would love some opinions on this.
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I am willing to climb on the Hatewagon. Gotta hate someone.
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I am willing to climb on the Hatewagon. Gotta hate someone.
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On the one hand, fuck David Ross and God Bless this thread.
On the other hand, SKO and I are in 100% agreement about a player and I'm worried that this is the beginning of the End of Days.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 15, 2015, 03:31:22 PM
On the one hand, fuck David Ross and God Bless this thread.
On the other hand, SKO and I are in 100% agreement about a player and I'm worried that this is the beginning of the End of Days.
Oh shit. If I too am agreeing?
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Back-up catcher is a pretty sweet gig if you can get it.
David Ross has made $20,223,500 in his career, with another $2.5MM on the books for next year.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 16, 2015, 11:02:32 AM
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Back-up catcher is a pretty sweet gig if you can get it.
David Ross has made $20,223,500 in his career, with another $2.5MM on the books for next year.
Number of games. Tsk.
Quote from: ChuckD on April 15, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
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Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2015, 09:05:16 AM
All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Good to know we've written off Miguel Montero after 15 ABs.
*Clears throat*
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All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Good to know we've written off Miguel Montero after 15 ABs.
*Clears throat*
Ha. I was just coming here to do the same
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All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Good to know we've written off Miguel Montero after 15 ABs.
*Clears throat*
And yet some dope is gonna tell me not to firebarn Ross when he goes 0-4 tomorrow after Montero's fireworks today
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All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Good to know we've written off Miguel Montero after 15 ABs.
*Clears throat*
And yet some dope is gonna tell me not to firebarn Ross when he goes 0-4 tomorrow after Montero's fireworks today
NOBODY'S GETTING FIREBARNED
**Yet.
Quote from: ChuckD on April 18, 2015, 03:31:34 PM
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All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Good to know we've written off Miguel Montero after 15 ABs.
*Clears throat*
Be sure to check back with us after another 500 at bats or so.
Quote from: Eli on April 18, 2015, 04:50:59 PM
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All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Good to know we've written off Miguel Montero after 15 ABs.
*Clears throat*
Be sure to check back with us after another 500 at bats or so.
Thanks, Brett
He managed to not fuck up in the 11th.
Yay?
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2015, 05:41:11 PM
He managed to not fuck up in the 11th.
Yay?
That was such a weird few minutes of baseball. Awesome, but weird.
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All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Good to know we've written off Miguel Montero after 15 ABs.
*Clears throat*
Be sure to check back with us after another 500 at bats or so.
I'm not going to lie to you, Eli.
I'm not going to do that.
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Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2015, 09:05:16 AM
All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Good to know we've written off Miguel Montero after 15 ABs.
*Clears throat*
Be sure to check back with us after another 500 at bats or so.
I'm not going to lie to you, Eli.
I'm not going to do that.
I actually figured I was setting myself up for end-of-season embarrassment when Montero has a decent year.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2015, 05:41:11 PM
He managed to not fuck up in the 11th.
Yay?
WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO TO PROVE HIMSELF, FOR GOD'S SAKE?
Quote from: Tonker on April 19, 2015, 01:26:50 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2015, 05:41:11 PM
He managed to not fuck up in the 11th.
Yay?
WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO TO PROVE HIMSELF, FOR GOD'S SAKE?
As far as I can tell, he must give back his entire salary and roster spot, issue an apology for having had the gall to accept such an offer, and permanently wander off into some cornfield in Iowa never to be heard from again. But he deserves far worse.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 19, 2015, 08:01:31 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 19, 2015, 01:26:50 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2015, 05:41:11 PM
He managed to not fuck up in the 11th.
Yay?
WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO TO PROVE HIMSELF, FOR GOD'S SAKE?
As far as I can tell, he must give back his entire salary and roster spot, issue an apology for having had the gall to accept such an offer, and permanently wander off into some cornfield in Iowa never to be heard from again. But he deserves far worse.
OK.
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2015, 08:44:17 AM
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Quote from: Tonker on April 19, 2015, 01:26:50 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2015, 05:41:11 PM
He managed to not fuck up in the 11th.
Yay?
WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO TO PROVE HIMSELF, FOR GOD'S SAKE?
As far as I can tell, he must give back his entire salary and roster spot, issue an apology for having had the gall to accept such an offer, and permanently wander off into some cornfield in Iowa never to be heard from again. But he deserves far worse.
OK.
I just fucking love this. How many baseball players have we hated on this website? With the noted exception of Milton Bradley, how many of them seem to have been actual terrible human beings? Aren't most of them just bad baseball players? Shouldn't most of them have been people we expected to be bad baseball players? Why is David Ross the first guy to get the "well golly gee mister he sure didn't MEAN to be put on the roster and suck, would you have turned down the contract?" treatment?
That argument would apply to Aaron Miles, Neifi, and nearly every other bad baseball player the Cubs have had. So either get on board with hating David Ross for being bad at his job, or never hate another player on this board again, because this whole "well shit it ain't his fault he's on the roster" business is weak ass shit.
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 08:52:31 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2015, 08:44:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 19, 2015, 08:01:31 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 19, 2015, 01:26:50 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2015, 05:41:11 PM
He managed to not fuck up in the 11th.
Yay?
WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO TO PROVE HIMSELF, FOR GOD'S SAKE?
As far as I can tell, he must give back his entire salary and roster spot, issue an apology for having had the gall to accept such an offer, and permanently wander off into some cornfield in Iowa never to be heard from again. But he deserves far worse.
OK.
I just fucking love this. How many baseball players have we hated on this website? With the noted exception of Milton Bradley, how many of them seem to have been actual terrible human beings? Aren't most of them just bad baseball players? Shouldn't most of them have been people we expected to be bad baseball players? Why is David Ross the first guy to get the "well golly gee mister he sure didn't MEAN to be put on the roster and suck, would you have turned down the contract?" treatment?
That argument would apply to Aaron Miles, Neifi, and nearly every other bad baseball player the Cubs have had. So either get on board with hating David Ross for being bad at his job, or never hate another player on this board again, because this whole "well shit it ain't his fault he's on the roster" business is weak ass shit.
GODDAMMIT SKO ITS BEEN LIKE 6 SHITACULOUS YEARS OF US ALL NOT TOLERATING BULLSHIT. LET US TOLERATE A LITTLE BULLSHIT FOR ONE GODDAMN MONTH AND THEN REEVALUATE WHAT BULLSHIT NEEDS TO BE TOLERATED OR NOT OK.
Quote from: ChuckD on April 20, 2015, 08:58:05 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 08:52:31 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2015, 08:44:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 19, 2015, 08:01:31 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 19, 2015, 01:26:50 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2015, 05:41:11 PM
He managed to not fuck up in the 11th.
Yay?
WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO TO PROVE HIMSELF, FOR GOD'S SAKE?
As far as I can tell, he must give back his entire salary and roster spot, issue an apology for having had the gall to accept such an offer, and permanently wander off into some cornfield in Iowa never to be heard from again. But he deserves far worse.
OK.
I just fucking love this. How many baseball players have we hated on this website? With the noted exception of Milton Bradley, how many of them seem to have been actual terrible human beings? Aren't most of them just bad baseball players? Shouldn't most of them have been people we expected to be bad baseball players? Why is David Ross the first guy to get the "well golly gee mister he sure didn't MEAN to be put on the roster and suck, would you have turned down the contract?" treatment?
That argument would apply to Aaron Miles, Neifi, and nearly every other bad baseball player the Cubs have had. So either get on board with hating David Ross for being bad at his job, or never hate another player on this board again, because this whole "well shit it ain't his fault he's on the roster" business is weak ass shit.
GODDAMMIT SKO ITS BEEN LIKE 6 SHITACULOUS YEARS OF US ALL NOT TOLERATING BULLSHIT. LET US TOLERATE A LITTLE BULLSHIT FOR ONE GODDAMN MONTH AND THEN REEVALUATE WHAT BULLSHIT NEEDS TO BE TOLERATED OR NOT OK.
I will never let you all fall down into the dark pits of tolerating bullshit. Tolerating bullshit is the number one cause of society's ills. You know who tolerated bullshit? Bullshit of the Nazi variety? Neville goddamn Chamberlain. NEVER AGAIN.
Sack it up, strap it up, and remember how to hate again. David Ross isn't worthy of a second's worth of bullshit toleration. Not. Even. Once.
You wanna tolerate some bullshit for Javy? Mendy? You wanna give some guys that aren't 37 years old and covered in grey facial pubes a little time to settle in? Fine by me, but dammit, we all know where this David Ross movie ends, so stop trying to act like you're good, kind, and patient people. Hate the way I know you can, or get out of my face.
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 09:02:44 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 20, 2015, 08:58:05 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 08:52:31 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2015, 08:44:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 19, 2015, 08:01:31 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 19, 2015, 01:26:50 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2015, 05:41:11 PM
He managed to not fuck up in the 11th.
Yay?
WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO TO PROVE HIMSELF, FOR GOD'S SAKE?
As far as I can tell, he must give back his entire salary and roster spot, issue an apology for having had the gall to accept such an offer, and permanently wander off into some cornfield in Iowa never to be heard from again. But he deserves far worse.
OK.
I just fucking love this. How many baseball players have we hated on this website? With the noted exception of Milton Bradley, how many of them seem to have been actual terrible human beings? Aren't most of them just bad baseball players? Shouldn't most of them have been people we expected to be bad baseball players? Why is David Ross the first guy to get the "well golly gee mister he sure didn't MEAN to be put on the roster and suck, would you have turned down the contract?" treatment?
That argument would apply to Aaron Miles, Neifi, and nearly every other bad baseball player the Cubs have had. So either get on board with hating David Ross for being bad at his job, or never hate another player on this board again, because this whole "well shit it ain't his fault he's on the roster" business is weak ass shit.
GODDAMMIT SKO ITS BEEN LIKE 6 SHITACULOUS YEARS OF US ALL NOT TOLERATING BULLSHIT. LET US TOLERATE A LITTLE BULLSHIT FOR ONE GODDAMN MONTH AND THEN REEVALUATE WHAT BULLSHIT NEEDS TO BE TOLERATED OR NOT OK.
I will never let you all fall down into the dark pits of tolerating bullshit. Tolerating bullshit is the number one cause of society's ills. You know who tolerated bullshit? Bullshit of the Nazi variety? Neville goddamn Chamberlain. NEVER AGAIN.
Sack it up, strap it up, and remember how to hate again. David Ross isn't worthy of a second's worth of bullshit toleration. Not. Even. Once.
You wanna tolerate some bullshit for Javy? Mendy? You wanna give some guys that aren't 37 years old and covered in grey facial pubes a little time to settle in? Fine by me, but dammit, we all know where this David Ross movie ends, so stop trying to act like you're good, kind, and patient people. Hate the way I know you can, or get out of my face.
Well, I've tolerated your bullshit long enough, so at least there's precedent.
I don't hate David Ross, but I do hate that the Cubs think they need him over Welington Castillo.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 20, 2015, 09:08:39 AM
I don't hate David Ross, but I do hate that the Cubs think they need him over Welington Castillo.
That's reason enough, IAN. Give in to the hate. Let the hatred flow through you.
Where's Pen to tell us whether SKO is hating the right way or not?
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 20, 2015, 09:08:39 AM
I don't hate David Ross, but I do hate that the Cubs think they need him over Welington Castillo.
And I know it's temporary (at least I hope), but they've currently got a four-man bench with two of those guys being catchers. Between that and the pitcher hitting 8th, they're getting into some really weird late-game situations.
I'm warming up some David Ross hate, if only because I know somehow Ryan Dempster is involved in all this.
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2015, 09:17:43 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 20, 2015, 09:08:39 AM
I don't hate David Ross, but I do hate that the Cubs think they need him over Welington Castillo.
And I know it's temporary (at least I hope), but they've currently got a four-man bench with two of those guys being catchers. Between that and the pitcher hitting 8th, they're getting into some really weird late-game situations.
And one of those bench guys being Mendy, who has been about as close to worthless as you can get at the plate this year. Even Valaika's career .238/.282/.351 would be more useful on the bench right now.
You and RV talked about it on Twitter yesterday, but it's definitely worth noting that for as entertaining and much improved as this team is, there's still some glaring holes. Fortunately they seem capable of being filled fairly easily internally. Upgrade Herrerra for Russell, replace Mendy with La Stella, Grimm/Ramirez in for Jackson/Schlitter. Until those moves happen though, there's gonna be some firebarnin'
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2015, 09:17:43 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 20, 2015, 09:08:39 AM
I don't hate David Ross, but I do hate that the Cubs think they need him over Welington Castillo.
And I know it's temporary (at least I hope), but they've currently got a four-man bench with two of those guys being catchers. Between that and the pitcher hitting 8th, they're getting into some really weird late-game situations.
And one of those bench guys being Mendy, who has been about as close to worthless as you can get at the plate this year. Even Valaika's career .238/.282/.351 would be more useful on the bench right now.
You and RV talked about it on Twitter yesterday, but it's definitely worth noting that for as entertaining and much improved as this team is, there's still some glaring holes. Fortunately they seem capable of being filled fairly easily internally. Upgrade Herrerra for Russell, replace Mendy with La Stella, Grimm/Ramirez in for Jackson/Schlitter. Until those moves happen though, there's gonna be some firebarnin'
I hate Edwin Jackson more than anybody on this roster, really. But I can't hate his 4 scoreless, walkless innings so far.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 20, 2015, 09:38:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2015, 09:17:43 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 20, 2015, 09:08:39 AM
I don't hate David Ross, but I do hate that the Cubs think they need him over Welington Castillo.
And I know it's temporary (at least I hope), but they've currently got a four-man bench with two of those guys being catchers. Between that and the pitcher hitting 8th, they're getting into some really weird late-game situations.
And one of those bench guys being Mendy, who has been about as close to worthless as you can get at the plate this year. Even Valaika's career .238/.282/.351 would be more useful on the bench right now.
You and RV talked about it on Twitter yesterday, but it's definitely worth noting that for as entertaining and much improved as this team is, there's still some glaring holes. Fortunately they seem capable of being filled fairly easily internally. Upgrade Herrerra for Russell, replace Mendy with La Stella, Grimm/Ramirez in for Jackson/Schlitter. Until those moves happen though, there's gonna be some firebarnin'
I hate Edwin Jackson more than anybody on this roster, really. But I can't hate his 4 scoreless, walkless innings so far.
I can't hate anybody who takes mopup innings away from somebody you might actually need in a crucial situation. and crucial situations and Edwin Jackson still should never intersect.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 20, 2015, 09:38:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2015, 09:17:43 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 20, 2015, 09:08:39 AM
I don't hate David Ross, but I do hate that the Cubs think they need him over Welington Castillo.
And I know it's temporary (at least I hope), but they've currently got a four-man bench with two of those guys being catchers. Between that and the pitcher hitting 8th, they're getting into some really weird late-game situations.
And one of those bench guys being Mendy, who has been about as close to worthless as you can get at the plate this year. Even Valaika's career .238/.282/.351 would be more useful on the bench right now.
You and RV talked about it on Twitter yesterday, but it's definitely worth noting that for as entertaining and much improved as this team is, there's still some glaring holes. Fortunately they seem capable of being filled fairly easily internally. Upgrade Herrerra for Russell, replace Mendy with La Stella, Grimm/Ramirez in for Jackson/Schlitter. Until those moves happen though, there's gonna be some firebarnin'
I hate Edwin Jackson more than anybody on this roster, really. But I can't hate his 4 scoreless, walkless innings so far.
Yeah, until Grimm & Ramirez are back, I see no problem with giving Jackson a shot in that 6th inning role that Schlitter's been peeing all over with his butt. He can't do much worse and there's a chance (granted, it's an almost zero chance) that he becomes a competent reliever.
The bullpen issues have also been magnified because the starters are giving up a ridiculous BABIP of .349, compared to .308 last year (only the Indians starters are worse). That will surely/hopefully come back to earth as the season goes on, which will allow the starters to go deeper into games, which will also serve to remove the Schlitters and Jacksons from the equation.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 20, 2015, 09:20:34 AM
I'm warming up some David Ross hate, if only because I know somehow Ryan Dempster is involved in all this.
Dempster begat Hendricks. Randall Delgado, in the mean time, is a 7th inning reliever
Quote from: Yeti on April 20, 2015, 10:08:59 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 20, 2015, 09:20:34 AM
I'm warming up some David Ross hate, if only because I know somehow Ryan Dempster is involved in all this.
Dempster begat Hendricks. Randall Delgado, in the mean time, is a 7th inning reliever
And not a very good one. Dempster's unicycling asshattery or whatever netted the Cubs a much better return.
I still hate David Ross plenty, but that walk against Cashner in the 3rd yesterday was a hell of an AB.
Granted, it just led to Lester having to come up with 2 outs and bases loaded where he struck out and maybe Ross should get a fucking hit every now and then.
But still, pretty decent AB.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 20, 2015, 10:22:42 AM
I still hate David Ross plenty, but that walk against Cashner in the 3rd yesterday was a hell of an AB.
Granted, it just led to Lester having to come up with 2 outs and bases loaded where he struck out and maybe Ross should get a fucking hit every now and then.
But still, pretty decent AB.
Twice in two days, actually. He's just a working man trying to earn an honest living, you know?
We're commending a guy batting in front of the pitcher for getting pitched around so they can get an easy out from the pitcher. This is where we're at. Yeah, totally useful and not firebarnable player this guy is. He can draw walks when pitchers are obviously going to give him nothing to try and hit. Wonderful.
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 11:16:04 AM
We're commending a guy batting in front of the pitcher for getting pitched around so they can get an easy out from the pitcher. This is where we're at. Yeah, totally useful and not firebarnable player this guy is. He can draw walks when pitchers are obviously going to give him nothing to try and hit. Wonderful.
Cashner was trying to get him out on Sunday, for sure.
He fouled off like 8 solid pitches.
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 11:16:04 AM
We're commending a guy batting in front of the pitcher for getting pitched around so they can get an easy out from the pitcher. This is where we're at. Yeah, totally useful and not firebarnable player this guy is. He can draw walks when pitchers are obviously going to give him nothing to try and hit. Wonderful.
That was about an 11 or 12 pitch AB in which Cashner was definitely trying to get him out. You're wrong on this one, bud.
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 08:52:31 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2015, 08:44:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 19, 2015, 08:01:31 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 19, 2015, 01:26:50 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2015, 05:41:11 PM
He managed to not fuck up in the 11th.
Yay?
WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO TO PROVE HIMSELF, FOR GOD'S SAKE?
As far as I can tell, he must give back his entire salary and roster spot, issue an apology for having had the gall to accept such an offer, and permanently wander off into some cornfield in Iowa never to be heard from again. But he deserves far worse.
OK.
I just fucking love this. How many baseball players have we hated on this website? With the noted exception of Milton Bradley, how many of them seem to have been actual terrible human beings? Aren't most of them just bad baseball players? Shouldn't most of them have been people we expected to be bad baseball players? Why is David Ross the first guy to get the "well golly gee mister he sure didn't MEAN to be put on the roster and suck, would you have turned down the contract?" treatment?
That argument would apply to Aaron Miles, Neifi, and nearly every other bad baseball player the Cubs have had. So either get on board with hating David Ross for being bad at his job, or never hate another player on this board again, because this whole "well shit it ain't his fault he's on the roster" business is weak ass shit.
I think it's more about how painfully hard you're trying to make this happen than anything about David Ross.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 20, 2015, 11:36:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 08:52:31 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2015, 08:44:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 19, 2015, 08:01:31 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 19, 2015, 01:26:50 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2015, 05:41:11 PM
He managed to not fuck up in the 11th.
Yay?
WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO TO PROVE HIMSELF, FOR GOD'S SAKE?
As far as I can tell, he must give back his entire salary and roster spot, issue an apology for having had the gall to accept such an offer, and permanently wander off into some cornfield in Iowa never to be heard from again. But he deserves far worse.
OK.
I just fucking love this. How many baseball players have we hated on this website? With the noted exception of Milton Bradley, how many of them seem to have been actual terrible human beings? Aren't most of them just bad baseball players? Shouldn't most of them have been people we expected to be bad baseball players? Why is David Ross the first guy to get the "well golly gee mister he sure didn't MEAN to be put on the roster and suck, would you have turned down the contract?" treatment?
That argument would apply to Aaron Miles, Neifi, and nearly every other bad baseball player the Cubs have had. So either get on board with hating David Ross for being bad at his job, or never hate another player on this board again, because this whole "well shit it ain't his fault he's on the roster" business is weak ass shit.
I think it's more about how painfully hard you're trying to make this happen than anything about David Ross.
Well if anyone would know about trying painfully hard, it's definitely you
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 11:37:54 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 20, 2015, 11:36:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 08:52:31 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2015, 08:44:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 19, 2015, 08:01:31 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 19, 2015, 01:26:50 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2015, 05:41:11 PM
He managed to not fuck up in the 11th.
Yay?
WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO TO PROVE HIMSELF, FOR GOD'S SAKE?
As far as I can tell, he must give back his entire salary and roster spot, issue an apology for having had the gall to accept such an offer, and permanently wander off into some cornfield in Iowa never to be heard from again. But he deserves far worse.
OK.
I just fucking love this. How many baseball players have we hated on this website? With the noted exception of Milton Bradley, how many of them seem to have been actual terrible human beings? Aren't most of them just bad baseball players? Shouldn't most of them have been people we expected to be bad baseball players? Why is David Ross the first guy to get the "well golly gee mister he sure didn't MEAN to be put on the roster and suck, would you have turned down the contract?" treatment?
That argument would apply to Aaron Miles, Neifi, and nearly every other bad baseball player the Cubs have had. So either get on board with hating David Ross for being bad at his job, or never hate another player on this board again, because this whole "well shit it ain't his fault he's on the roster" business is weak ass shit.
I think it's more about how painfully hard you're trying to make this happen than anything about David Ross.
Well if anyone would know about trying painfully hard, it's definitely you
(http://i.imgur.com/KGvbw.gif)
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 11:37:54 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 20, 2015, 11:36:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 08:52:31 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2015, 08:44:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 19, 2015, 08:01:31 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 19, 2015, 01:26:50 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2015, 05:41:11 PM
He managed to not fuck up in the 11th.
Yay?
WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO TO PROVE HIMSELF, FOR GOD'S SAKE?
As far as I can tell, he must give back his entire salary and roster spot, issue an apology for having had the gall to accept such an offer, and permanently wander off into some cornfield in Iowa never to be heard from again. But he deserves far worse.
OK.
I just fucking love this. How many baseball players have we hated on this website? With the noted exception of Milton Bradley, how many of them seem to have been actual terrible human beings? Aren't most of them just bad baseball players? Shouldn't most of them have been people we expected to be bad baseball players? Why is David Ross the first guy to get the "well golly gee mister he sure didn't MEAN to be put on the roster and suck, would you have turned down the contract?" treatment?
That argument would apply to Aaron Miles, Neifi, and nearly every other bad baseball player the Cubs have had. So either get on board with hating David Ross for being bad at his job, or never hate another player on this board again, because this whole "well shit it ain't his fault he's on the roster" business is weak ass shit.
I think it's more about how painfully hard you're trying to make this happen than anything about David Ross.
Well if anyone would know about trying painfully hard, it's definitely you
Can I both validate this
AND post the Butthurt Achieved pic?
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 11:37:54 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 20, 2015, 11:36:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 08:52:31 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2015, 08:44:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 19, 2015, 08:01:31 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 19, 2015, 01:26:50 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2015, 05:41:11 PM
He managed to not fuck up in the 11th.
Yay?
WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO TO PROVE HIMSELF, FOR GOD'S SAKE?
As far as I can tell, he must give back his entire salary and roster spot, issue an apology for having had the gall to accept such an offer, and permanently wander off into some cornfield in Iowa never to be heard from again. But he deserves far worse.
OK.
I just fucking love this. How many baseball players have we hated on this website? With the noted exception of Milton Bradley, how many of them seem to have been actual terrible human beings? Aren't most of them just bad baseball players? Shouldn't most of them have been people we expected to be bad baseball players? Why is David Ross the first guy to get the "well golly gee mister he sure didn't MEAN to be put on the roster and suck, would you have turned down the contract?" treatment?
That argument would apply to Aaron Miles, Neifi, and nearly every other bad baseball player the Cubs have had. So either get on board with hating David Ross for being bad at his job, or never hate another player on this board again, because this whole "well shit it ain't his fault he's on the roster" business is weak ass shit.
I think it's more about how painfully hard you're trying to make this happen than anything about David Ross.
Well if anyone would know about trying painfully hard, it's definitely you
*sips coffee*
(http://i.imgur.com/O6rBf.gif)
Quote from: PenFoe on April 20, 2015, 11:20:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 11:16:04 AM
We're commending a guy batting in front of the pitcher for getting pitched around so they can get an easy out from the pitcher. This is where we're at. Yeah, totally useful and not firebarnable player this guy is. He can draw walks when pitchers are obviously going to give him nothing to try and hit. Wonderful.
Cashner was trying to get him out on Sunday, for sure.
He fouled off like 8 solid pitches.
or he could try being not old and slow and driving one of those fastballs he fouled off (because he is old and slow) for an RBI instead of drawing a walk we all knew was gonna be useless with Lester on deck.
BAM. Firebarned.
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 12:00:58 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 20, 2015, 11:20:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 11:16:04 AM
We're commending a guy batting in front of the pitcher for getting pitched around so they can get an easy out from the pitcher. This is where we're at. Yeah, totally useful and not firebarnable player this guy is. He can draw walks when pitchers are obviously going to give him nothing to try and hit. Wonderful.
Cashner was trying to get him out on Sunday, for sure.
He fouled off like 8 solid pitches.
or he could try being not old and slow and driving one of those fastballs he fouled off (because he is old and slow) for an RBI instead of drawing a walk we all knew was gonna be useless with Lester on deck.
BAM. Firebarned.
Ross' OBVDTODH (On Base Value Due To On Deck Hitter) is abysmal.
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2015, 11:56:42 AM
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I'm not really entirely sure what this is supposed to mean but I can't stop laughing at it.
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2015, 12:05:54 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2015, 11:56:42 AM
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I'm not really entirely sure what this is supposed to mean but I can't stop laughing at it.
Also that dude looks a lot like Todd Marinovich.
SKO has put me in the unenviable position of being both pro-FIREBARN and but also pro-making-fun-of-SKO.
Quote from: Bort on April 20, 2015, 03:15:59 PM
SKO has put me in the unenviable position of being both pro-FIREBARN and but also pro-making-fun-of-SKO.
It's not unenviable at all. It's what we all strive for.
Quote from: Bort on April 20, 2015, 03:15:59 PM
SKO has put me in the unenviable position of being both pro-FIREBARN and but also pro-making-fun-of-SKO.
There's a long and proud tradition of people agreeing with what I say while laughing at the unhealthy intensity with which I say it.
He'll take your firebarn and drive a double into the gap with the bases loaded.
TRADE HIM NOW JED!
Quote from: Brownie on April 24, 2015, 09:48:54 PM
He'll take your firebarn and drive a double into the gap with the bases loaded.
TRADE HIM NOW JED!
big whoop. they already had the lead.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: Brownie on April 24, 2015, 09:48:54 PM
He'll take your firebarn and drive a double into the gap with the bases loaded.
TRADE HIM NOW JED!
big whoop. they already had the lead.
You beat me to it. DAVID ROSS AIN'T CLUTCH
I could embrace David Ross, knuckleballing reliever far more than David Ross, shitty catcher
Quote from: Eli on April 18, 2015, 09:10:17 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 18, 2015, 06:09:38 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 18, 2015, 04:50:59 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 18, 2015, 03:31:34 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 15, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2015, 09:06:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2015, 09:05:16 AM
All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Good to know we've written off Miguel Montero after 15 ABs.
*Clears throat*
Be sure to check back with us after another 500 at bats or so.
I'm not going to lie to you, Eli.
I'm not going to do that.
I actually figured I was setting myself up for end-of-season embarrassment when Montero has a decent year.
BBBBUMP.
He's got at least one walk in 9 straight games, now. That's the longest streak in the majors.
Since April 26, he's slashed .410/.531/.615/1.146.
Some strawman might say "But, ChuckD! His
BABIP is .500 over that stretch. He's just been really
lucky."
And to that strawman, I'd say "Strawman, 10 of the 28 balls he's put in play over that timespan have been line drives. Luck's got very little to do with it. Dude's just flat out raking."
Quote from: ChuckD on May 14, 2015, 10:30:40 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 18, 2015, 09:10:17 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 18, 2015, 06:09:38 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 18, 2015, 04:50:59 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 18, 2015, 03:31:34 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 15, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2015, 09:06:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2015, 09:05:16 AM
All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Good to know we've written off Miguel Montero after 15 ABs.
*Clears throat*
Be sure to check back with us after another 500 at bats or so.
I'm not going to lie to you, Eli.
I'm not going to do that.
I actually figured I was setting myself up for end-of-season embarrassment when Montero has a decent year.
BBBBUMP.
He's got at least one walk in 9 straight games, now. That's the longest streak in the majors.
Since April 26, he's slashed .410/.531/.615/1.146.
Some strawman might say "But, ChuckD! His BABIP is .500 over that stretch. He's just been really lucky."
And to that strawman, I'd say "Strawman, 10 of the 28 balls he's put in play over that timespan have been line drives. Luck's got very little to do with it. Dude's just flat out raking."
Seems like a good time to sell high.
Quote from: ChuckD on May 14, 2015, 10:30:40 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 18, 2015, 09:10:17 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 18, 2015, 06:09:38 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 18, 2015, 04:50:59 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 18, 2015, 03:31:34 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 15, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2015, 09:06:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2015, 09:05:16 AM
All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Good to know we've written off Miguel Montero after 15 ABs.
*Clears throat*
Be sure to check back with us after another 500 at bats or so.
I'm not going to lie to you, Eli.
I'm not going to do that.
I actually figured I was setting myself up for end-of-season embarrassment when Montero has a decent year.
BBBBUMP.
He's got at least one walk in 9 straight games, now. That's the longest streak in the majors.
Since April 26, he's slashed .410/.531/.615/1.146.
Some strawman might say "But, ChuckD! His BABIP is .500 over that stretch. He's just been really lucky."
And to that strawman, I'd say "Strawman, 10 of the 28 balls he's put in play over that timespan have been line drives. Luck's got very little to do with it. Dude's just flat out raking."
I was at my first game of the year at Wrigley last night and had to do a double, and then a triple-take at the shiny new LF jumbotron when it displayed that his season OPS as over .900. I told my brother I thought that that
had to be wrong.
Quote from: PANK! on May 14, 2015, 10:35:27 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 14, 2015, 10:30:40 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 18, 2015, 09:10:17 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 18, 2015, 06:09:38 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 18, 2015, 04:50:59 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 18, 2015, 03:31:34 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 15, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2015, 09:06:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2015, 09:05:16 AM
All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Good to know we've written off Miguel Montero after 15 ABs.
*Clears throat*
Be sure to check back with us after another 500 at bats or so.
I'm not going to lie to you, Eli.
I'm not going to do that.
I actually figured I was setting myself up for end-of-season embarrassment when Montero has a decent year.
BBBBUMP.
He's got at least one walk in 9 straight games, now. That's the longest streak in the majors.
Since April 26, he's slashed .410/.531/.615/1.146.
Some strawman might say "But, ChuckD! His BABIP is .500 over that stretch. He's just been really lucky."
And to that strawman, I'd say "Strawman, 10 of the 28 balls he's put in play over that timespan have been line drives. Luck's got very little to do with it. Dude's just flat out raking."
I was at my first game of the year at Wrigley last night and had to do a double, and then a triple-take at the shiny new LF jumbotron when it displayed that his season OPS as over .900. I told my brother I thought that that had to be wrong.
At the very least he seems healthy and capable of posting something similar to his 2010-2012 numbers, which would be outstanding. Add in his defense and his Twitter account and he's been a fantastic pickup.
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 10:40:45 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 14, 2015, 10:35:27 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 14, 2015, 10:30:40 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 18, 2015, 09:10:17 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 18, 2015, 06:09:38 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 18, 2015, 04:50:59 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 18, 2015, 03:31:34 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 15, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2015, 09:06:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2015, 09:05:16 AM
All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Good to know we've written off Miguel Montero after 15 ABs.
*Clears throat*
Be sure to check back with us after another 500 at bats or so.
I'm not going to lie to you, Eli.
I'm not going to do that.
I actually figured I was setting myself up for end-of-season embarrassment when Montero has a decent year.
BBBBUMP.
He's got at least one walk in 9 straight games, now. That's the longest streak in the majors.
Since April 26, he's slashed .410/.531/.615/1.146.
Some strawman might say "But, ChuckD! His BABIP is .500 over that stretch. He's just been really lucky."
And to that strawman, I'd say "Strawman, 10 of the 28 balls he's put in play over that timespan have been line drives. Luck's got very little to do with it. Dude's just flat out raking."
I was at my first game of the year at Wrigley last night and had to do a double, and then a triple-take at the shiny new LF jumbotron when it displayed that his season OPS as over .900. I told my brother I thought that that had to be wrong.
At the very least he seems healthy and capable of posting something similar to his 2010-2012 numbers, which would be outstanding. Add in his defense and his Twitter account and he's been a fantastic pickup.
Also, he's making Eli look really bad, kind of like Clutch Coghlan is doing to you.
Quote from: R-V on May 14, 2015, 10:43:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 10:40:45 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 14, 2015, 10:35:27 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 14, 2015, 10:30:40 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 18, 2015, 09:10:17 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 18, 2015, 06:09:38 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 18, 2015, 04:50:59 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 18, 2015, 03:31:34 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 15, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2015, 09:06:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2015, 09:05:16 AM
All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Good to know we've written off Miguel Montero after 15 ABs.
*Clears throat*
Be sure to check back with us after another 500 at bats or so.
I'm not going to lie to you, Eli.
I'm not going to do that.
I actually figured I was setting myself up for end-of-season embarrassment when Montero has a decent year.
BBBBUMP.
He's got at least one walk in 9 straight games, now. That's the longest streak in the majors.
Since April 26, he's slashed .410/.531/.615/1.146.
Some strawman might say "But, ChuckD! His BABIP is .500 over that stretch. He's just been really lucky."
And to that strawman, I'd say "Strawman, 10 of the 28 balls he's put in play over that timespan have been line drives. Luck's got very little to do with it. Dude's just flat out raking."
I was at my first game of the year at Wrigley last night and had to do a double, and then a triple-take at the shiny new LF jumbotron when it displayed that his season OPS as over .900. I told my brother I thought that that had to be wrong.
At the very least he seems healthy and capable of posting something similar to his 2010-2012 numbers, which would be outstanding. Add in his defense and his Twitter account and he's been a fantastic pickup.
Also, he's making Eli look really bad, kind of like Clutch Coghlan is doing to you.
Oh god yes. Hilarious.
Quote from: PANK! on May 14, 2015, 10:35:27 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 14, 2015, 10:30:40 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 18, 2015, 09:10:17 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 18, 2015, 06:09:38 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 18, 2015, 04:50:59 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 18, 2015, 03:31:34 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 15, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2015, 09:06:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2015, 09:05:16 AM
All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Good to know we've written off Miguel Montero after 15 ABs.
*Clears throat*
Be sure to check back with us after another 500 at bats or so.
I'm not going to lie to you, Eli.
I'm not going to do that.
I actually figured I was setting myself up for end-of-season embarrassment when Montero has a decent year.
BBBBUMP.
He's got at least one walk in 9 straight games, now. That's the longest streak in the majors.
Since April 26, he's slashed .410/.531/.615/1.146.
Some strawman might say "But, ChuckD! His BABIP is .500 over that stretch. He's just been really lucky."
And to that strawman, I'd say "Strawman, 10 of the 28 balls he's put in play over that timespan have been line drives. Luck's got very little to do with it. Dude's just flat out raking."
I was at my first game of the year at Wrigley last night and had to do a double, and then a triple-take at the shiny new LF jumbotron when it displayed that his season OPS as over .900. I told my brother I thought that that had to be wrong.
Obviously, he won't keep this up all season, but I'm going to enjoy it while it lasts.
If the Cubs' committee of catchers finishes with an OPS north of .800, that'll be huge.
Fun fact, the Cubs have gotten a higher combined OPS out of their catchers than they have from any other position aside from 1B. About 1/5 of the way through the year, they're at .290/.395/.514/.909.
That OPS is better than the combined output of any platoon of DHs in the AL. Only the A's have had better offensive numbers from their catchers (.313/.368/.586/.954).
Quote from: ChuckD on May 14, 2015, 10:30:40 AM
He's got at least one walk in 9 straight games, now. That's the longest streak in the majors.
Since April 26, he's slashed .410/.531/.615/1.146.
Some strawman might say "But, ChuckD! His BABIP is .500 over that stretch. He's just been really lucky."
And to that strawman, I'd say "Strawman, 10 of the 28 balls he's put in play over that timespan have been line drives. Luck's got very little to do with it. Dude's just flat out raking."
Someone mentioned on Twitter today that Montero has basically play about 75% as much as he did last season so he may not be as run down as the past few years. As an older catcher, that may be making a huge difference in his performance. Definitely a pleasant surprise.
Quote from: Eli on May 14, 2015, 11:35:33 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 14, 2015, 10:30:40 AM
He's got at least one walk in 9 straight games, now. That's the longest streak in the majors.
Since April 26, he's slashed .410/.531/.615/1.146.
Some strawman might say "But, ChuckD! His BABIP is .500 over that stretch. He's just been really lucky."
And to that strawman, I'd say "Strawman, 10 of the 28 balls he's put in play over that timespan have been line drives. Luck's got very little to do with it. Dude's just flat out raking."
Someone mentioned on Twitter today that Montero has basically play about 75% as much as he did last season so he may not be as run down as the past few years. As an older catcher, that may be making a huge difference in his performance. Definitely a pleasant surprise.
FYE!
Well SKO it's not quite a firebarn but good ol' Dave came up gimpy during his at-bat today. La Stella was supposed to begin his rehab assignment in AA today so it's possible they play short-handed until he's ready - I would guess for the Padres series?
Quote from: R-V on May 14, 2015, 04:29:21 PM
Well SKO it's not quite a firebarn but good ol' Dave came up gimpy during his at-bat today. La Stella was supposed to begin his rehab assignment in AA today so it's possible they play short-handed until he's ready - I would guess for the Padres series?
I'd DL Ross, recall Lake, then activate La Stella after his rehab assignment and DFA Herrera since wow it turns out Herrera is still on the roster.
Like to call up Javy but it makes more sense to keep letting him work on things at Iowa because he's making actual progress it seems.
Since this is the Miguel Montero thread now...
Big bump for his pitch framing.
Tying run on third, the third pitch of the last AB was borderline. Montero probably got Rondon the call. Herrera struck out two pitches later.
http://gfycat.com/ApprehensiveFrighteningHerald
Quote from: ChuckD on May 14, 2015, 09:42:44 PM
Since this is the Miguel Montero thread now...
Big bump for his pitch framing.
Tying run on third, the third pitch of the last AB was borderline. Montero probably got Rondon the call. Herrera struck out two pitches later.
http://gfycat.com/ApprehensiveFrighteningHerald
So awesome.
Quote from: ChuckD on May 14, 2015, 09:42:44 PM
Since this is the Miguel Montero thread now...
Big bump for his pitch framing.
Tying run on third, the third pitch of the last AB was borderline. Montero probably got Rondon the call. Herrera struck out two pitches later.
http://gfycat.com/ApprehensiveFrighteningHerald
Clutch.
Quote from: PANK! on May 14, 2015, 10:47:03 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 14, 2015, 10:43:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 10:40:45 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 14, 2015, 10:35:27 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 14, 2015, 10:30:40 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 18, 2015, 09:10:17 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 18, 2015, 06:09:38 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 18, 2015, 04:50:59 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 18, 2015, 03:31:34 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 15, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2015, 09:06:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 15, 2015, 09:05:16 AM
All Castillo has done in his last 3 pinch-hit at-bats is 1) clean RBI single which set the stage for Fowler's heroics Sunday, 2) a frozen rope which looked like it'd have ended the game Monday with a walk-off win had Marlon Byrd not stumbled ass backwards into it, and 3) his 2-run homer last night.
If the Cubs eventually get a king's ransom for Beef, then OK fine. But right now I'm a little annoyed about having to watch this sadsack hump of a human being Ross at the plate knowing how much better of a player is "behind" him.
The Cubs only have one catcher who can hit and it's the guy they're trying desperately to trade.
Good to know we've written off Miguel Montero after 15 ABs.
*Clears throat*
Be sure to check back with us after another 500 at bats or so.
I'm not going to lie to you, Eli.
I'm not going to do that.
I actually figured I was setting myself up for end-of-season embarrassment when Montero has a decent year.
BBBBUMP.
He's got at least one walk in 9 straight games, now. That's the longest streak in the majors.
Since April 26, he's slashed .410/.531/.615/1.146.
Some strawman might say "But, ChuckD! His BABIP is .500 over that stretch. He's just been really lucky."
And to that strawman, I'd say "Strawman, 10 of the 28 balls he's put in play over that timespan have been line drives. Luck's got very little to do with it. Dude's just flat out raking."
I was at my first game of the year at Wrigley last night and had to do a double, and then a triple-take at the shiny new LF jumbotron when it displayed that his season OPS as over .900. I told my brother I thought that that had to be wrong.
At the very least he seems healthy and capable of posting something similar to his 2010-2012 numbers, which would be outstanding. Add in his defense and his Twitter account and he's been a fantastic pickup.
Also, he's making Eli look really bad, kind of like Clutch Coghlan is doing to you.
Oh god yes. Hilarious.
With his pals Spinner and Paddlefoot?
This needs to be a PShop.
I still hate this guy.
Did they get the call right on replay? Too hard to tell from the last row of the 200 level.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 31, 2015, 04:16:16 PM
Did they get the call right on replay? Too hard to tell from the last row of the 200 level.
Yes.
FYSKO
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 31, 2015, 05:16:05 PM
FYSKO
This game had so, so much FYSKO. It was probably the FYSKO-iest game all year.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 31, 2015, 04:16:16 PM
Did they get the call right on replay? Too hard to tell from the last row of the 200 level.
Isn't it like every other replay where there has to be conclusive evidence in order to overturn the call on the field? On every replay I saw (on the TVs hanging over the 200 level, plus the ginormous screen in LF) you couldn't tell if the tag got applied on his arm or not, so the call stands.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 01, 2015, 12:34:52 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 31, 2015, 04:16:16 PM
Did they get the call right on replay? Too hard to tell from the last row of the 200 level.
Isn't it like every other replay where there has to be conclusive evidence in order to overturn the call on the field? On every replay I saw (on the TVs hanging over the 200 level, plus the ginormous screen in LF) you couldn't tell if the tag got applied on his arm or not, so the call stands.
I think he was talking about when Ol' Granddad bunted in the 9th and almost beat it out, not the Fowler play.
Quote from: SKO on June 01, 2015, 12:38:14 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 01, 2015, 12:34:52 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 31, 2015, 04:16:16 PM
Did they get the call right on replay? Too hard to tell from the last row of the 200 level.
Isn't it like every other replay where there has to be conclusive evidence in order to overturn the call on the field? On every replay I saw (on the TVs hanging over the 200 level, plus the ginormous screen in LF) you couldn't tell if the tag got applied on his arm or not, so the call stands.
I think he was talking about when Ol' Granddad bunted in the 9th and almost beat it out, not the Fowler play.
Oh, there, you can tell on the same screens that he was beaten by a pube, but he was beaten.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 01, 2015, 12:39:06 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 01, 2015, 12:38:14 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 01, 2015, 12:34:52 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 31, 2015, 04:16:16 PM
Did they get the call right on replay? Too hard to tell from the last row of the 200 level.
Isn't it like every other replay where there has to be conclusive evidence in order to overturn the call on the field? On every replay I saw (on the TVs hanging over the 200 level, plus the ginormous screen in LF) you couldn't tell if the tag got applied on his arm or not, so the call stands.
I think he was talking about when Ol' Granddad bunted in the 9th and almost beat it out, not the Fowler play.
Oh, there, you can tell on the same screens that he was beaten by a pube, but he was beaten.
I guess my eyesight isn't quite as good. I was worried that the same people who said Hossa didn't kick it in the other night were also the MLB replay officials.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 01, 2015, 08:36:43 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 01, 2015, 12:39:06 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 01, 2015, 12:38:14 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 01, 2015, 12:34:52 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 31, 2015, 04:16:16 PM
Did they get the call right on replay? Too hard to tell from the last row of the 200 level.
Isn't it like every other replay where there has to be conclusive evidence in order to overturn the call on the field? On every replay I saw (on the TVs hanging over the 200 level, plus the ginormous screen in LF) you couldn't tell if the tag got applied on his arm or not, so the call stands.
I think he was talking about when Ol' Granddad bunted in the 9th and almost beat it out, not the Fowler play.
Oh, there, you can tell on the same screens that he was beaten by a pube, but he was beaten.
I guess my eyesight isn't quite as good. I was worried that the same people who said Hossa didn't kick it in the other night were also the MLB replay officials.
Wait, you thought that was a kick? He was hitting the brakes to avoid a fly-by, and was even trying to get his stick on the puck when it went in.
I know we're all reading the couple of decent Cubs blogs out there and there's not much point to re-linking their content, but I'll make an exception this time for David Ross, the best pitch framer in all of baseball. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/rweb/sports/the-hidden-value-of-cubs-catcher-david-ross/2015/06/01/821080ae473215961bed595c63f5e477_story.html)
Link is to the WaPo article, not Bleacher Nation.
Quote
...no catcher has seen a higher percentage of pitches out of the zone called strikes than Chicago Cubs' backstop David Ross. According to Baseball Savant, Ross has framed 14 percent of pitches for strikes with Yasmani Grandal the second best at 11.7 percent (minimum 1,000 pitches caught).
Quote from: PenFoe on June 02, 2015, 11:30:00 AM
I know we're all reading the couple of decent Cubs blogs out there and there's not much point to re-linking their content, but I'll make an exception this time for David Ross, the best pitch framer in all of baseball. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/rweb/sports/the-hidden-value-of-cubs-catcher-david-ross/2015/06/01/821080ae473215961bed595c63f5e477_story.html)
Link is to the WaPo article, not Bleacher Nation.
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...no catcher has seen a higher percentage of pitches out of the zone called strikes than Chicago Cubs' backstop David Ross. According to Baseball Savant, Ross has framed 14 percent of pitches for strikes with Yasmani Grandal the second best at 11.7 percent (minimum 1,000 pitches caught).
Has anyone worked pitch framing into a calculation of WAR yet? I am legitimately curious as to just how good of a framer Ross has to be to make up for his bat being so impotent.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 02, 2015, 11:30:00 AM
I know we're all reading the couple of decent Cubs blogs out there and there's not much point to re-linking their content, but I'll make an exception this time for David Ross, the best pitch framer in all of baseball. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/rweb/sports/the-hidden-value-of-cubs-catcher-david-ross/2015/06/01/821080ae473215961bed595c63f5e477_story.html)
Link is to the WaPo article, not Bleacher Nation.
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...no catcher has seen a higher percentage of pitches out of the zone called strikes than Chicago Cubs' backstop David Ross. According to Baseball Savant, Ross has framed 14 percent of pitches for strikes with Yasmani Grandal the second best at 11.7 percent (minimum 1,000 pitches caught).
An article about pitch framing, framed by maybe the worst experimental web design I've ever seen.
Quote from: SKO on June 02, 2015, 11:34:13 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 02, 2015, 11:30:00 AM
I know we're all reading the couple of decent Cubs blogs out there and there's not much point to re-linking their content, but I'll make an exception this time for David Ross, the best pitch framer in all of baseball. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/rweb/sports/the-hidden-value-of-cubs-catcher-david-ross/2015/06/01/821080ae473215961bed595c63f5e477_story.html)
Link is to the WaPo article, not Bleacher Nation.
Quote
...no catcher has seen a higher percentage of pitches out of the zone called strikes than Chicago Cubs' backstop David Ross. According to Baseball Savant, Ross has framed 14 percent of pitches for strikes with Yasmani Grandal the second best at 11.7 percent (minimum 1,000 pitches caught).
Has anyone worked pitch framing into a calculation of WAR yet? I am legitimately curious as to just how good of a framer Ross has to be to make up for his bat being so impotent.
(http://i.imgur.com/OLCathf.png)
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2015, 11:35:22 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 02, 2015, 11:30:00 AM
I know we're all reading the couple of decent Cubs blogs out there and there's not much point to re-linking their content, but I'll make an exception this time for David Ross, the best pitch framer in all of baseball. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/rweb/sports/the-hidden-value-of-cubs-catcher-david-ross/2015/06/01/821080ae473215961bed595c63f5e477_story.html)
Link is to the WaPo article, not Bleacher Nation.
Quote
...no catcher has seen a higher percentage of pitches out of the zone called strikes than Chicago Cubs' backstop David Ross. According to Baseball Savant, Ross has framed 14 percent of pitches for strikes with Yasmani Grandal the second best at 11.7 percent (minimum 1,000 pitches caught).
An article about pitch framing, framed by maybe the worst experimental web design I've ever seen.
Indeed...
So how much of his framing is subject to Lester being the veteran and getting the calls? Asking for a friend
Quote from: Yeti on June 02, 2015, 12:04:56 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2015, 11:35:22 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 02, 2015, 11:30:00 AM
I know we're all reading the couple of decent Cubs blogs out there and there's not much point to re-linking their content, but I'll make an exception this time for David Ross, the best pitch framer in all of baseball. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/rweb/sports/the-hidden-value-of-cubs-catcher-david-ross/2015/06/01/821080ae473215961bed595c63f5e477_story.html)
Link is to the WaPo article, not Bleacher Nation.
Quote
...no catcher has seen a higher percentage of pitches out of the zone called strikes than Chicago Cubs' backstop David Ross. According to Baseball Savant, Ross has framed 14 percent of pitches for strikes with Yasmani Grandal the second best at 11.7 percent (minimum 1,000 pitches caught).
An article about pitch framing, framed by maybe the worst experimental web design I've ever seen.
Indeed...
So how much of his framing is subject to Lester being the veteran and getting the calls? Asking for a friend
0%.
David Ross is the only reason Lester ever gets strike calls.
The Great David Ross.
Quote from: Yeti on June 02, 2015, 12:04:56 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2015, 11:35:22 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 02, 2015, 11:30:00 AM
I know we're all reading the couple of decent Cubs blogs out there and there's not much point to re-linking their content, but I'll make an exception this time for David Ross, the best pitch framer in all of baseball. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/rweb/sports/the-hidden-value-of-cubs-catcher-david-ross/2015/06/01/821080ae473215961bed595c63f5e477_story.html)
Link is to the WaPo article, not Bleacher Nation.
Quote
...no catcher has seen a higher percentage of pitches out of the zone called strikes than Chicago Cubs' backstop David Ross. According to Baseball Savant, Ross has framed 14 percent of pitches for strikes with Yasmani Grandal the second best at 11.7 percent (minimum 1,000 pitches caught).
An article about pitch framing, framed by maybe the worst experimental web design I've ever seen.
Indeed...
So how much of his framing is subject to Lester being the veteran and getting the calls? Asking for a friend
I wondered the same thing, since such a high percentage of his pitches caught come from Lester. The heat map says he excels on the right side and Lester does a great job painting that part of the plate vs. righties.
I don't doubt that Ross is good at framing, but some of this is probably noise.
FYME!
/thread
In all honesty while watching him hit is painful as shit the difference between Ross and your average backup catcher (like our guy Beef and his .493 OPS) is negligible, so I don't actually mind Ross' presence. At least he is a legitimately great defensive catcher. I wish Joe wasn't so strict about batting him vs. every left handed starter because I'd still bet Montero is a better offensive threat against lefties at this point, but considering my biggest issue with Ross was the stupid three catchers thing my anger level dropped considerably when that situation was remedied.
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 09:26:02 AM
In all honesty while watching him hit is painful as shit the difference between Ross and your average backup catcher (like our guy Beef and his .493 OPS) is negligible, so I don't actually mind Ross' presence. At least he is a legitimately great defensive catcher. I wish Joe wasn't so strict about batting him vs. every left handed starter because I'd still bet Montero is a better offensive threat against lefties at this point, but considering my biggest issue with Ross was the stupid three catchers thing my anger level dropped considerably when that situation was remedied.
Plus his starts could get diluted if they call up Schwarber this summer and throw him behind the plate a couple times a week (until and unless that turns out to be a colossal failure).
I just hope 3 consecutive starts sets a season record that isn't repeated.
(http://i.imgur.com/vsyLRWM.gif)
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2015, 09:58:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 05, 2015, 09:11:42 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2015, 09:11:06 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 05, 2015, 09:09:21 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2015, 08:56:29 AM
/thread
Firebarn SKO. This David Ross is a WINNER
Best walk-up music in MLB.
Used to be Paul Konerko #SKYPOINT
I forget, what did he have?
Harvester of Sorrow
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2015, 12:41:40 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/vsyLRWM.gif)
Fuck you Rondon, I do it myself.
Quote from: Tonker on June 05, 2015, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2015, 12:41:40 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/vsyLRWM.gif)
Fuck you Rondon, I do it myself.
I'll spot him a full Win Above Replacement for that game. Whatever he ends this season at, add one, and we'll call it good.
Quote from: Slaky on June 05, 2015, 12:48:20 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2015, 09:58:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 05, 2015, 09:11:42 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2015, 09:11:06 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 05, 2015, 09:09:21 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2015, 08:56:29 AM
/thread
Firebarn SKO. This David Ross is a WINNER
Best walk-up music in MLB.
Used to be Paul Konerko #SKYPOINT
I forget, what did he have?
Harvester of Sorrow
Is that a good song? I don't know where the current opinion of white people on Metallica stands.
EDIT: 35 seconds in - meh.
I've noticed that Soler comes out to Pitbull, which is probably why God punished his ankle this week. BUT PITBULL IS TEH CUBAN??!!?!?
So is Cypress Hill. Now go kill yourself.
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2015, 03:01:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 05, 2015, 12:48:20 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2015, 09:58:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 05, 2015, 09:11:42 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2015, 09:11:06 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 05, 2015, 09:09:21 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2015, 08:56:29 AM
/thread
Firebarn SKO. This David Ross is a WINNER
Best walk-up music in MLB.
Used to be Paul Konerko #SKYPOINT
I forget, what did he have?
Harvester of Sorrow
Is that a good song? I don't know where the current opinion of white people on Metallica stands.
EDIT: 35 seconds in - meh.
I've noticed that Soler comes out to Pitbull, which is probably why God punished his ankle this week. BUT PITBULL IS TEH CUBAN??!!?!?
So is Cypress Hill. Now go kill yourself.
Josh Reddick and "Careless Whisper" is still the benchmark.
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2015, 03:01:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 05, 2015, 12:48:20 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2015, 09:58:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 05, 2015, 09:11:42 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2015, 09:11:06 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 05, 2015, 09:09:21 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2015, 08:56:29 AM
/thread
Firebarn SKO. This David Ross is a WINNER
Best walk-up music in MLB.
Used to be Paul Konerko #SKYPOINT
I forget, what did he have?
Harvester of Sorrow
Is that a good song? I don't know where the current opinion of white people on Metallica stands.
EDIT: 35 seconds in - meh.
I've noticed that Soler comes out to Pitbull, which is probably why God punished his ankle this week. BUT PITBULL IS TEH CUBAN??!!?!?
So is Cypress Hill. Now go kill yourself.
Did you just tell Soler to kill himself because he comes out to Pitbull instead of Cypress Hill?
Quote from: Oleg on June 05, 2015, 06:22:19 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2015, 03:01:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 05, 2015, 12:48:20 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2015, 09:58:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 05, 2015, 09:11:42 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2015, 09:11:06 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 05, 2015, 09:09:21 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 05, 2015, 08:56:29 AM
/thread
Firebarn SKO. This David Ross is a WINNER
Best walk-up music in MLB.
Used to be Paul Konerko #SKYPOINT
I forget, what did he have?
Harvester of Sorrow
Is that a good song? I don't know where the current opinion of white people on Metallica stands.
EDIT: 35 seconds in - meh.
I've noticed that Soler comes out to Pitbull, which is probably why God punished his ankle this week. BUT PITBULL IS TEH CUBAN??!!?!?
So is Cypress Hill. Now go kill yourself.
Did you just tell Soler to kill himself because he comes out to Pitbull instead of Cypress Hill?
No. He's been too busy becoming awesome at baseball to concern himself with the history of Cuban-American Hip Hop Music. That's my jorb. I just want Pitbull to get in a carpool with Kid Rock and a bunch of Cardinals and find the business end of a tow truck somewhere. I'm sorry to include Soler in this.
Quote from: InternetApex on June 07, 2015, 12:01:08 PM
... the history of Cuban-American Hip Hop Music. That's my jorb.
I question this.
Quote from: Eli on June 07, 2015, 02:08:02 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 07, 2015, 12:01:08 PM
... the history of Cuban-American Hip Hop Music. That's my jorb.
I question this.
Yeah. I don't have a jorb. And I'm homeless and addicted to meth.
Quote from: InternetApex on June 07, 2015, 02:50:21 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 07, 2015, 02:08:02 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 07, 2015, 12:01:08 PM
... the history of Cuban-American Hip Hop Music. That's my jorb.
I question this.
Yeah. I don't have a jorb. And I'm homeless and addicted to meth.
Can you confirm or deny that meth is a helluva drug?
Quote from: InternetApex on June 07, 2015, 02:50:21 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 07, 2015, 02:08:02 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 07, 2015, 12:01:08 PM
... the history of Cuban-American Hip Hop Music. That's my jorb.
I question this.
Yeah. I don't have a jorb. And I'm homeless and addicted to meth.
Hoosier represent.
It's not David's fault the other team stole his home run. Give the guy a break.
From today's Joe Sheehan Newsletter (spend the measly $25 a year for it, you lousy buttpuddles):
QuoteCubs 17, Indians 0
Schwarber DH 5 3 4 2 3B
Ross C 5 1 1 0
So, there's a plan for Kyle Schwarber, who was called up as the Cubs hit a stretch of five straight games under AL rules. Whether that plan can survive contact with a 1000 OPS remains to be seen. Will the Cubs be able to stick to their guns if Schwarber comes up and provides big left-handed power and more OBP, in a season where they have a legitimate chance to make the playoffs? Can the team continue to roster a binky for Jon Lester even as that binky looks more tattered and threadbare?
David Ross was once an excellent backup catcher, a lefty-masher who played good defense, including a strong throwing arm. Now, he's in the league pretty much entirely because Lester likes throwing to him. Thirteen of his 17 starts this year have come with Lester on the mound; 18 of his 36 starts for the Red Sox last year prior to the trade of Lester were with Lester on the mound. This while his game slowly fades away: Ross is hitting .192/.278/.355 since the start of the 2013 season, while throwing out just 14 of 52 basestealers the last two years. You can argue that the latter number is disproportionately affected by his pairing with Lester, whose problems throwing to first are well documented. However, Lester's issues make it all the more important that he be paired with a strong-armed backstop.
Having to use Ross as Lester's bobo limits the ability to use him in the lefty-mashing role in which he has some value. Every time Ross starts against a right-handed pitcher, a kitten dies:
David Ross vs. RHP
PA AVG OBP SLG UIBB SO
2013 55 .167 .273 .271 6 23
2014 104 .158 .223 .295 8 37
2015 55 .174 .296 .283 6 18
That's a 36% strikeout rate and a SLG well below .300. Hard to do.
Jon Lester is signed through 2020, and I can't imagine the Cubs intend to keep playing David Ross every fifth day until the end of the first Trump Administration. Ross has already cost the Cubs a league-average catcher in Welington Castillo, someone who would have been a perfect third catcher as the team brought along Schwarber. Nevertheless, Schwarber presents an opportunity, right now, to put an end to this nonsense. Here's hoping he forces the Cubs' hand in what is becoming a fascinating season on the North Side.
Quote from: R-V on June 18, 2015, 10:43:47 AM
From today's Joe Sheehan Newsletter (spend the measly $25 a year for it, you lousy buttpuddles):
QuoteCubs 17, Indians 0
Schwarber DH 5 3 4 2 3B
Ross C 5 1 1 0
So, there's a plan for Kyle Schwarber, who was called up as the Cubs hit a stretch of five straight games under AL rules. Whether that plan can survive contact with a 1000 OPS remains to be seen. Will the Cubs be able to stick to their guns if Schwarber comes up and provides big left-handed power and more OBP, in a season where they have a legitimate chance to make the playoffs? Can the team continue to roster a binky for Jon Lester even as that binky looks more tattered and threadbare?
David Ross was once an excellent backup catcher, a lefty-masher who played good defense, including a strong throwing arm. Now, he's in the league pretty much entirely because Lester likes throwing to him. Thirteen of his 17 starts this year have come with Lester on the mound; 18 of his 36 starts for the Red Sox last year prior to the trade of Lester were with Lester on the mound. This while his game slowly fades away: Ross is hitting .192/.278/.355 since the start of the 2013 season, while throwing out just 14 of 52 basestealers the last two years. You can argue that the latter number is disproportionately affected by his pairing with Lester, whose problems throwing to first are well documented. However, Lester's issues make it all the more important that he be paired with a strong-armed backstop.
Having to use Ross as Lester's bobo limits the ability to use him in the lefty-mashing role in which he has some value. Every time Ross starts against a right-handed pitcher, a kitten dies:
David Ross vs. RHP
PA AVG OBP SLG UIBB SO
2013 55 .167 .273 .271 6 23
2014 104 .158 .223 .295 8 37
2015 55 .174 .296 .283 6 18
That's a 36% strikeout rate and a SLG well below .300. Hard to do.
Jon Lester is signed through 2020, and I can't imagine the Cubs intend to keep playing David Ross every fifth day until the end of the first Trump Administration. Ross has already cost the Cubs a league-average catcher in Welington Castillo, someone who would have been a perfect third catcher as the team brought along Schwarber. Nevertheless, Schwarber presents an opportunity, right now, to put an end to this nonsense. Here's hoping he forces the Cubs' hand in what is becoming a fascinating season on the North Side.
We all know Ross is there because he has beardgrit and is a great guy to have in the locker room playing towel snap and doing stand up impersonations. That does have some value that you just cannot measure. The value that does have measure is his game...and it's not very good. I wish the Cubs could find a way to keep him around but not on the 25 man roster.
The fact that Montero was a late scratch and Schwarber didn't take his place in the lineup on defense had me guessing at first...but I guess it makes sense because then who would DH with there being like -2 bench players on the roster? Mike Baxter...no thank you. But that happenstance would have given us a look at Schwarber behind the plate and I do wonder why the Cubs didn't jump on that opportunity...unless they just didn't want to burden Schwarber with defense during his first start.
Quote from: R-V on June 18, 2015, 10:43:47 AM
From today's Joe Sheehan Newsletter (spend the measly $25 a year for it, you lousy buttpuddles):
QuoteCubs 17, Indians 0
Schwarber DH 5 3 4 2 3B
Ross C 5 1 1 0
So, there's a plan for Kyle Schwarber, who was called up as the Cubs hit a stretch of five straight games under AL rules. Whether that plan can survive contact with a 1000 OPS remains to be seen. Will the Cubs be able to stick to their guns if Schwarber comes up and provides big left-handed power and more OBP, in a season where they have a legitimate chance to make the playoffs? Can the team continue to roster a binky for Jon Lester even as that binky looks more tattered and threadbare?
David Ross was once an excellent backup catcher, a lefty-masher who played good defense, including a strong throwing arm. Now, he's in the league pretty much entirely because Lester likes throwing to him. Thirteen of his 17 starts this year have come with Lester on the mound; 18 of his 36 starts for the Red Sox last year prior to the trade of Lester were with Lester on the mound. This while his game slowly fades away: Ross is hitting .192/.278/.355 since the start of the 2013 season, while throwing out just 14 of 52 basestealers the last two years. You can argue that the latter number is disproportionately affected by his pairing with Lester, whose problems throwing to first are well documented. However, Lester's issues make it all the more important that he be paired with a strong-armed backstop.
Having to use Ross as Lester's bobo limits the ability to use him in the lefty-mashing role in which he has some value. Every time Ross starts against a right-handed pitcher, a kitten dies:
David Ross vs. RHP
PA AVG OBP SLG UIBB SO
2013 55 .167 .273 .271 6 23
2014 104 .158 .223 .295 8 37
2015 55 .174 .296 .283 6 18
That's a 36% strikeout rate and a SLG well below .300. Hard to do.
Jon Lester is signed through 2020, and I can't imagine the Cubs intend to keep playing David Ross every fifth day until the end of the first Trump Administration. Ross has already cost the Cubs a league-average catcher in Welington Castillo, someone who would have been a perfect third catcher as the team brought along Schwarber. Nevertheless, Schwarber presents an opportunity, right now, to put an end to this nonsense. Here's hoping he forces the Cubs' hand in what is becoming a fascinating season on the North Side.
I just tweeted about this and I'll assume Sheehan managed to write this whole thing up in 5 minutes after seeing my tweet.
ETA: Someone on Twitter just told me that Ross has been "excellent." Good grief.
Quote from: Eli on June 18, 2015, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 18, 2015, 10:43:47 AM
From today's Joe Sheehan Newsletter (spend the measly $25 a year for it, you lousy buttpuddles):
QuoteCubs 17, Indians 0
Schwarber DH 5 3 4 2 3B
Ross C 5 1 1 0
So, there's a plan for Kyle Schwarber, who was called up as the Cubs hit a stretch of five straight games under AL rules. Whether that plan can survive contact with a 1000 OPS remains to be seen. Will the Cubs be able to stick to their guns if Schwarber comes up and provides big left-handed power and more OBP, in a season where they have a legitimate chance to make the playoffs? Can the team continue to roster a binky for Jon Lester even as that binky looks more tattered and threadbare?
David Ross was once an excellent backup catcher, a lefty-masher who played good defense, including a strong throwing arm. Now, he's in the league pretty much entirely because Lester likes throwing to him. Thirteen of his 17 starts this year have come with Lester on the mound; 18 of his 36 starts for the Red Sox last year prior to the trade of Lester were with Lester on the mound. This while his game slowly fades away: Ross is hitting .192/.278/.355 since the start of the 2013 season, while throwing out just 14 of 52 basestealers the last two years. You can argue that the latter number is disproportionately affected by his pairing with Lester, whose problems throwing to first are well documented. However, Lester's issues make it all the more important that he be paired with a strong-armed backstop.
Having to use Ross as Lester's bobo limits the ability to use him in the lefty-mashing role in which he has some value. Every time Ross starts against a right-handed pitcher, a kitten dies:
David Ross vs. RHP
PA AVG OBP SLG UIBB SO
2013 55 .167 .273 .271 6 23
2014 104 .158 .223 .295 8 37
2015 55 .174 .296 .283 6 18
That's a 36% strikeout rate and a SLG well below .300. Hard to do.
Jon Lester is signed through 2020, and I can't imagine the Cubs intend to keep playing David Ross every fifth day until the end of the first Trump Administration. Ross has already cost the Cubs a league-average catcher in Welington Castillo, someone who would have been a perfect third catcher as the team brought along Schwarber. Nevertheless, Schwarber presents an opportunity, right now, to put an end to this nonsense. Here's hoping he forces the Cubs' hand in what is becoming a fascinating season on the North Side.
I just tweeted about this and I'll assume Sheehan managed to write this whole thing up in 5 minutes after seeing my tweet.
ETA: Someone on Twitter just told me that Ross has been "excellent." Good grief.
Well he picked a guy off first base, man. Did you miss that part? We have to shut up forever now.
Quote from: SKO on June 18, 2015, 11:13:32 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 18, 2015, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 18, 2015, 10:43:47 AM
From today's Joe Sheehan Newsletter (spend the measly $25 a year for it, you lousy buttpuddles):
QuoteCubs 17, Indians 0
Schwarber DH 5 3 4 2 3B
Ross C 5 1 1 0
So, there's a plan for Kyle Schwarber, who was called up as the Cubs hit a stretch of five straight games under AL rules. Whether that plan can survive contact with a 1000 OPS remains to be seen. Will the Cubs be able to stick to their guns if Schwarber comes up and provides big left-handed power and more OBP, in a season where they have a legitimate chance to make the playoffs? Can the team continue to roster a binky for Jon Lester even as that binky looks more tattered and threadbare?
David Ross was once an excellent backup catcher, a lefty-masher who played good defense, including a strong throwing arm. Now, he's in the league pretty much entirely because Lester likes throwing to him. Thirteen of his 17 starts this year have come with Lester on the mound; 18 of his 36 starts for the Red Sox last year prior to the trade of Lester were with Lester on the mound. This while his game slowly fades away: Ross is hitting .192/.278/.355 since the start of the 2013 season, while throwing out just 14 of 52 basestealers the last two years. You can argue that the latter number is disproportionately affected by his pairing with Lester, whose problems throwing to first are well documented. However, Lester's issues make it all the more important that he be paired with a strong-armed backstop.
Having to use Ross as Lester's bobo limits the ability to use him in the lefty-mashing role in which he has some value. Every time Ross starts against a right-handed pitcher, a kitten dies:
David Ross vs. RHP
PA AVG OBP SLG UIBB SO
2013 55 .167 .273 .271 6 23
2014 104 .158 .223 .295 8 37
2015 55 .174 .296 .283 6 18
That's a 36% strikeout rate and a SLG well below .300. Hard to do.
Jon Lester is signed through 2020, and I can't imagine the Cubs intend to keep playing David Ross every fifth day until the end of the first Trump Administration. Ross has already cost the Cubs a league-average catcher in Welington Castillo, someone who would have been a perfect third catcher as the team brought along Schwarber. Nevertheless, Schwarber presents an opportunity, right now, to put an end to this nonsense. Here's hoping he forces the Cubs' hand in what is becoming a fascinating season on the North Side.
I just tweeted about this and I'll assume Sheehan managed to write this whole thing up in 5 minutes after seeing my tweet.
ETA: Someone on Twitter just told me that Ross has been "excellent." Good grief.
Well he picked a guy off first base, man. Did you miss that part? We have to shut up forever now.
I had no idea that he'd been that bad. I don't completely pooh-pooh the concept of veteran leadership and clubhouse skills, but the Cubs simply cannot afford to carry that kind of offensive suckiness, even if it accompanies defensive excellence, which it doesn't. He's got to go.
Quote from: Tonker on June 18, 2015, 11:34:53 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 18, 2015, 11:13:32 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 18, 2015, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 18, 2015, 10:43:47 AM
From today's Joe Sheehan Newsletter (spend the measly $25 a year for it, you lousy buttpuddles):
QuoteCubs 17, Indians 0
Schwarber DH 5 3 4 2 3B
Ross C 5 1 1 0
So, there's a plan for Kyle Schwarber, who was called up as the Cubs hit a stretch of five straight games under AL rules. Whether that plan can survive contact with a 1000 OPS remains to be seen. Will the Cubs be able to stick to their guns if Schwarber comes up and provides big left-handed power and more OBP, in a season where they have a legitimate chance to make the playoffs? Can the team continue to roster a binky for Jon Lester even as that binky looks more tattered and threadbare?
David Ross was once an excellent backup catcher, a lefty-masher who played good defense, including a strong throwing arm. Now, he's in the league pretty much entirely because Lester likes throwing to him. Thirteen of his 17 starts this year have come with Lester on the mound; 18 of his 36 starts for the Red Sox last year prior to the trade of Lester were with Lester on the mound. This while his game slowly fades away: Ross is hitting .192/.278/.355 since the start of the 2013 season, while throwing out just 14 of 52 basestealers the last two years. You can argue that the latter number is disproportionately affected by his pairing with Lester, whose problems throwing to first are well documented. However, Lester's issues make it all the more important that he be paired with a strong-armed backstop.
Having to use Ross as Lester's bobo limits the ability to use him in the lefty-mashing role in which he has some value. Every time Ross starts against a right-handed pitcher, a kitten dies:
David Ross vs. RHP
PA AVG OBP SLG UIBB SO
2013 55 .167 .273 .271 6 23
2014 104 .158 .223 .295 8 37
2015 55 .174 .296 .283 6 18
That's a 36% strikeout rate and a SLG well below .300. Hard to do.
Jon Lester is signed through 2020, and I can't imagine the Cubs intend to keep playing David Ross every fifth day until the end of the first Trump Administration. Ross has already cost the Cubs a league-average catcher in Welington Castillo, someone who would have been a perfect third catcher as the team brought along Schwarber. Nevertheless, Schwarber presents an opportunity, right now, to put an end to this nonsense. Here's hoping he forces the Cubs' hand in what is becoming a fascinating season on the North Side.
I just tweeted about this and I'll assume Sheehan managed to write this whole thing up in 5 minutes after seeing my tweet.
ETA: Someone on Twitter just told me that Ross has been "excellent." Good grief.
Well he picked a guy off first base, man. Did you miss that part? We have to shut up forever now.
I had no idea that he'd been that bad. I don't completely pooh-pooh the concept of veteran leadership and clubhouse skills, but the Cubs simply cannot afford to carry that kind of offensive suckiness, even if it accompanies defensive excellence, which it doesn't. He's got to go.
Frankly I don't get why Lester is so willing to hurt his own run support by demanding an automatic out in the lineup every time he pitches. In the first 17 games where Ross has started (not going to count last night because Schwarber as the DH basically cancelled out Ross as the catcher) the Cubs have averaged 2.7 runs per game and have been shut out 3 times. If my math is right in non-Ross starts (not counting last night in the interest of fairness) they've averaged about 4.5 runs per game.
It's obviously not just Ross' fault their offense declines when he's in there, considering Lester is usually countering the other team's ace as well, but it just seems bizarre that they'd not seek as much offensive help as they could in those games. Montero's not Michael Barrett, for fuck's sake. He's perfectly capable of providing even better defense and framing for Lester than Ross does.
Fuck it, DFA Ross and let Schwarber stick around and play LF 4 games out of 5 and catch the 5th. Whatever shortcomings his defensive game may have can be outhit more easily than Ross' lack of offense can be outcaught.
Maybe Lester's just a fucking closet case who can't throw to first and is afraid of facing a big league fastball. Maybe having Ross around is just cathartic for him in this big, crazy, loud world with all these people around who want to touch him and ask him questions.
Quote from: InternetApex on June 18, 2015, 01:53:50 PM
Maybe Lester's just a fucking closet case who can't throw to first and is afraid of facing a big league fastball. Maybe having Ross around is just cathartic for him in this big, crazy, loud world with all these people around who want to touch him and ask him questions.
He did surprisingly well in Oakland without Ross if that's the case. I went soft on Ross for a few weeks and now I regret it. I've singlehandedly turned Coghlan into Billy Williams out there in left. Least I can do is hate Ross into being useful or at least a really solid bullpen catcher.
Let's torch this barn, fuckers. See you in hell, Ross.
Quote from: SKO on June 18, 2015, 02:02:27 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 18, 2015, 01:53:50 PM
Maybe Lester's just a fucking closet case who can't throw to first and is afraid of facing a big league fastball. Maybe having Ross around is just cathartic for him in this big, crazy, loud world with all these people around who want to touch him and ask him questions.
He did surprisingly well in Oakland without Ross if that's the case. I went soft on Ross for a few weeks and now I regret it. I've singlehandedly turned Coghlan into Billy Williams out there in left. Least I can do is hate Ross into being useful or at least a really solid bullpen catcher.
Let's torch this barn, fuckers. See you in hell, Ross.
But if you hate Ross into being good, then Schwarber goes away. Say nice things about Ross so he plays bad enough to be released.
Quote from: Tony on June 19, 2015, 08:51:13 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 18, 2015, 02:02:27 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 18, 2015, 01:53:50 PM
Maybe Lester's just a fucking closet case who can't throw to first and is afraid of facing a big league fastball. Maybe having Ross around is just cathartic for him in this big, crazy, loud world with all these people around who want to touch him and ask him questions.
He did surprisingly well in Oakland without Ross if that's the case. I went soft on Ross for a few weeks and now I regret it. I've singlehandedly turned Coghlan into Billy Williams out there in left. Least I can do is hate Ross into being useful or at least a really solid bullpen catcher.
Let's torch this barn, fuckers. See you in hell, Ross.
But if you hate Ross into being good, then Schwarber goes away. Say nice things about Ross so he plays bad enough to be released.
He never will be. That's the trouble -- he could go hitless for the season and his defenders would say "he's not there for his offense." Which is effective in the sense that it takes away all of your arguments about how bad he is at an enormous part of baseball.
Quote from: Eli on June 19, 2015, 08:55:07 AM
Quote from: Tony on June 19, 2015, 08:51:13 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 18, 2015, 02:02:27 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 18, 2015, 01:53:50 PM
Maybe Lester's just a fucking closet case who can't throw to first and is afraid of facing a big league fastball. Maybe having Ross around is just cathartic for him in this big, crazy, loud world with all these people around who want to touch him and ask him questions.
He did surprisingly well in Oakland without Ross if that's the case. I went soft on Ross for a few weeks and now I regret it. I've singlehandedly turned Coghlan into Billy Williams out there in left. Least I can do is hate Ross into being useful or at least a really solid bullpen catcher.
Let's torch this barn, fuckers. See you in hell, Ross.
But if you hate Ross into being good, then Schwarber goes away. Say nice things about Ross so he plays bad enough to be released.
He never will be. That's the trouble -- he could go hitless for the season and his defenders would say "he's not there for his offense." Which is effective in the sense that it takes away all of your arguments about how bad he is at an enormous part of baseball.
And if he's not there for his offense Joe shouldn't auto-start him vs. every left handed starter they face or ever, ever use him as a pinch hitter, but alas, here we are.
Can you talk about David Ross in all the threads.
Quote from: Slaky on June 19, 2015, 09:27:56 AM
Can you talk about David Ross in all the threads.
Well, this
is the David Ross thread.
Quote from: Eli on June 19, 2015, 09:30:02 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 19, 2015, 09:27:56 AM
Can you talk about David Ross in all the threads.
Well, this is the David Ross thread.
That's why I'm asking people in this thread to spread the Ross talk to all the rest of the threads he keeps appearing in. I'd like to get him into the TV forum if we could, as well.
Quote from: Slaky on June 19, 2015, 09:40:11 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 19, 2015, 09:30:02 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 19, 2015, 09:27:56 AM
Can you talk about David Ross in all the threads.
Well, this is the David Ross thread.
That's why I'm asking people in this thread to spread the Ross talk to all the rest of the threads he keeps appearing in. I'd like to get him into the TV forum if we could, as well.
Well Desipio is Latin for "have an unnatural interest in the backup catcher".
Quote from: thehawk on June 19, 2015, 09:52:58 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 19, 2015, 09:40:11 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 19, 2015, 09:30:02 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 19, 2015, 09:27:56 AM
Can you talk about David Ross in all the threads.
Well, this is the David Ross thread.
That's why I'm asking people in this thread to spread the Ross talk to all the rest of the threads he keeps appearing in. I'd like to get him into the TV forum if we could, as well.
Well Desipio is Latin for "have an unnatural interest in the backup catcher".
I admit it: I LOLed.
Great AB with the bases loaded there. But hey, Lester is on the mound, so we can't PH Montero in a huge spot.
I fucking hate this asshole.
Len Kasper says FYSKO:
Quote from: Len Kasper @LenKasper 1mIf you pay attention (many do!), you're seeing David Ross contribute a fair amount these days.
PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION, SKO
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 22, 2015, 08:36:16 PM
Len Kasper says FYSKO:
Quote from: Len Kasper @LenKasper 1mIf you pay attention (many do!), you're seeing David Ross contribute a fair amount these days.
PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION, SKO
It's obviously in his job description, but Len can be a pretty annoying apologist sometimes.
Quote from: Eli on June 22, 2015, 08:46:20 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 22, 2015, 08:36:16 PM
Len Kasper says FYSKO:
Quote from: Len Kasper @LenKasper 1mIf you pay attention (many do!), you're seeing David Ross contribute a fair amount these days.
PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION, SKO
It's obviously in his job description, but Len can be a pretty annoying apologist sometimes.
Last night's David Ross apologetics were even worse than last season's Edwin Jackson apologetics, which Len issued so halfheartedly you could tell he didn't believe them.
Job description and all, but I wonder if he's actually drinking the Kool-Aid.
Quote from: Eli on June 22, 2015, 08:46:20 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 22, 2015, 08:36:16 PM
Len Kasper says FYSKO:
Quote from: Len Kasper @LenKasper 1mIf you pay attention (many do!), you're seeing David Ross contribute a fair amount these days.
PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION, SKO
It's obviously in his job description, but Len can be a pretty annoying apologist sometimes.
When Ross won that game with a pickoff against the Nats Len tweeted "everyone on my timeline can go apologize to David Ross and his family, thanks in advance."
I'll admit he's put on a fairly impressive display the last few games (although hard to give him too much credit for Puig making a world class baserunning blunder) of throwing, but frankly given how awful his bat is he has to do shit like that regularly just to even be sorta worth it. It doesn't in any way make him "valuable." It just helps to cancel out some of his awfulness in other areas.
Quote from: SKO on June 23, 2015, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 22, 2015, 08:46:20 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 22, 2015, 08:36:16 PM
Len Kasper says FYSKO:
Quote from: Len Kasper @LenKasper 1mIf you pay attention (many do!), you're seeing David Ross contribute a fair amount these days.
PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION, SKO
It's obviously in his job description, but Len can be a pretty annoying apologist sometimes.
When Ross won that game with a pickoff against the Nats Len tweeted "everyone on my timeline can go apologize to David Ross and his family, thanks in advance."
I'll admit he's put on a fairly impressive display the last few games (although hard to give him too much credit for Puig making a world class baserunning blunder) of throwing, but frankly given how awful his bat is he has to do shit like that regularly just to even be sorta worth it. It doesn't in any way make him "valuable." It just helps to cancel out some of his awfulness in other areas.
Well, it could also be that Len is exposed to some of the more base/histrionic/sadistic opinions about David Ross than the common Desipiot. Especially if he said "everyone ... can go apologize to [David Ross's] family."
Quote from: ChuckD on June 23, 2015, 09:42:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 23, 2015, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 22, 2015, 08:46:20 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 22, 2015, 08:36:16 PM
Len Kasper says FYSKO:
Quote from: Len Kasper @LenKasper 1mIf you pay attention (many do!), you're seeing David Ross contribute a fair amount these days.
PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION, SKO
It's obviously in his job description, but Len can be a pretty annoying apologist sometimes.
When Ross won that game with a pickoff against the Nats Len tweeted "everyone on my timeline can go apologize to David Ross and his family, thanks in advance."
I'll admit he's put on a fairly impressive display the last few games (although hard to give him too much credit for Puig making a world class baserunning blunder) of throwing, but frankly given how awful his bat is he has to do shit like that regularly just to even be sorta worth it. It doesn't in any way make him "valuable." It just helps to cancel out some of his awfulness in other areas.
Well, it could also be that Len is exposed to some of the more base/histrionic/sadistic opinions about David Ross than the common Desipiot. Especially if he said "everyone ... can go apologize to [David Ross's] family."
That's fair. There's a special place in hell reserved for people who tweet angrily at athlete's families. Hell, at the athletes themselves.
How come you've been telling Jon not to throw near no-hitters, David? I haven't seen a catcher be such a team cancer since Michael Barrett and Todd Hundley before that Never would've lost the no-no with Ross behind the plate.
David Ross > Rafael Soriano
FYSKO